Culpepper annouces retirement. YAY!

[GoPackGo]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/09/04/daunte-culpeppers-retirement-letter/


DAUNTE CULPEPPER’S RETIREMENT LETTER
Posted by Mike Florio on September 4, 2008, 11:41 a.m. EDT
[Editor’s note: On Friday, free-agent quarterback Daunte Culpepper, a nine-year veteran whose 110.9 passer rating in 2004 ranks fifth on the all-time single season list, sent an open letter to the NFL, which was posted exclusively on PFT. This is the complete, unedited text of Daunte’s follow-up, in which he announces his retirement from the National Football League.]

Farewell NFL

When Free agency began this year, I had a new sense of excitement about continuing to rebuild my career in the same way that I had rebuilt my knee after my catastrophic injury in 2005. Unfortunately, what I found out was that the league did not share any of the optimism about me as an Unrestricted Free Agent that I expected. In fact, there was an overwhelming sense that there was no room for me among this year’s group of quarterbacks; whether in a starting, competing or a back-up role. No matter what I did or said, there seemed to be a unified message from teams that I was not welcome to compete for one of the many jobs that were available at the quarterback position. It seems that the stance I took in both Minnesota and Miami regarding my rights as a person and player has followed me into Free Agency.

After taking a long look at my career and my personal convictions, I have decided to begin early retirement from the NFL effective immediately. Since the beginning of training camp I was told that my opportunity would come when a quarterback gets hurt. I cannot remember the last time so many QB’s have been injured during the preseason. I have been strongly encouraged from family, friends and league personnel to continue to be patient and wait for an inevitable injury to one of the starting quarterbacks in the league. I would rather shut the door to such “opportunity” than continue to wait for one of my fellow quarterback’s to suffer a serious injury. Since I was not given a fair chance to come in and compete for a job, I would rather move on and win in other arenas of life.

The decision I made in 2006 to represent myself rather than hire an agent has been an invaluable experience. I now understand why so many people within the NFL community are uncomfortable with a player really learning the business. The NFL has become more about power, money and control than passion, competition and the love of the game. Regardless of this shift, player’s rights are still supposed to be a part of this league. Since I will not be given the opportunity to honor the memory of Gene Upshaw by wearing a patch on my uniform this year, I will instead spend some of my energy applying what he taught me about standing up for what is right and not sitting down for what is clearly wrong.

I want to thank my family and my fans for their unwavering belief in me as a person and a player. I embraced both the peaks and the valleys of the game and my career. I am a better person today as a direct result of the experience of playing in the NFL. I can now focus on the enjoyment of watching some of the greatest athletes in the world play the game I love without the distraction of waiting for those elusive return phone calls.

Thankfully,

Daunte Culpepper

[Pacopete4]

Did it for attention only... pathetic

[Rastak]

Did it for attention only... pathetic


Yea, QB's retiring for attention only....common thing lately, eh?

:lol:

[mraynrand]

Does anyone know if he shed tears?

[BooHoo]

From hero to zero.

He did put up some good numbers in Minn.

[sheepshead]

Anyone need some life insurance?

[Pacopete4]

Anyone need some life insurance?


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[SkinBasket]

Boo fucking hoo.

Another guy who believes it's his right to demand a job from a given employer. This country's full of asshats like this. Most of them don't get to be on TV and have their "woe is me" running commentary posted on the internet, though.

[Lurker64]

Daunte Culpepper is remarkably insecure for a guy who was a starting QB for eight years, made three pro-bowls, and set a bunch of records in college. You kind of feel bad for the guy. I mean, you feel bad for him now that he's retired and you view him primarily as a "human being" and not "a viking", "a dolphin", "a raider", or "a potential backup QB for Green Bay."

That being said, it's not unusual for teams to sign retired QBs off the couch in case of injuries to their starter (It's how Testaverde keeps getting work), so there's not much finality here.

Still, it sort of seems like Daunte needs a hug.

(not it).

[Gunakor]

From what I gather from this and the last letter he wrote that was posted, it seems that teams were disinterested in him mostly because he decided to represent himself in negotiations. Instead of trying to be so different than everyone else, why won't he just hire a damn agent? Whether wrong or right, that's just the way it is apparently. First you go along, then you get along. Had he not continued to butt heads with the system he might just have gotten a job somewhere.

[Sparkey]

From what I gather from this and the last letter he wrote that was posted, it seems that teams were disinterested in him mostly because he decided to represent himself in negotiations. Instead of trying to be so different than everyone else, why won't he just hire a damn agent? Whether wrong or right, that's just the way it is apparently. First you go along, then you get along. Had he not continued to butt heads with the system he might just have gotten a job somewhere.

Hmmm, I thought he was offered a job as a backup, but it was for the vet minimum..... So he is upset NOT because of a lack of opportunity, but because there was a lack of $$$ available for that opportunity. :roll:

This is why there are agents. They are supposed to balance the players elevated self-worth against their actual worth. :!:

[cpk1994]

Did it for attention only... patheticIronic, coming from a Favre fan.

[Scott Campbell]

When Free agency began this year, I had a new sense of excitement about continuing to rebuild my career in the same way that I had rebuilt my knee after my catastrophic injury in 2005.


Catastrophic knee injury? Are we sure it wasn't a head injury?


His old agent has to be laughing his ass off.

[Lurker64]

Did it for attention only... patheticIronic, coming from a Favre fan.

Someone here didn't sign the Contract with America...

[Harlan Huckleby]

I kinda feel sorry for the guy. This was a really, really stupid move. How does he know how he will feel in 3 months, or 2 years? Now he has just re-enforced the buzz that he is a head case.

The guy apparently doesn't have the friends or advisors or dad to slap him upside the head and save him from himself. We all make mistakes, and I'm sorry to see anybody screw themselves over.

[Scott Campbell]

Is it possible that the single most important role of an agent is to keep the player from saying stupid shit like this?

[the_idle_threat]

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[Pacopete4]

Did it for attention only... patheticIronic, coming from a Favre fan.


You think Favre retired for attention?

[MadtownPacker]

Did it for attention only... patheticIronic, coming from a Favre fan.


You think Favre retired for attention?Take the high road Paco, take the high road my friend......

[Pacopete4]

Did it for attention only... patheticIronic, coming from a Favre fan.


You think Favre retired for attention?Take the high road Paco, take the high road my friend......


I'm just sick of that guy... but ya.. I didn't plan on getting in a fight over it, real Packer and Brett fans know he didn't do that..

[Pugger]

I'll bet Daunte is now rueing the day he turned down TT's offer earlier this summer.... :roll:

[Fred's Slacks]

I'll bet Daunte is now rueing the day he turned down TT's offer earlier this summer.... :roll:

Yeah, it really was the best offer for him. But he wanted an opportunity to start and GB wouldn't give him that. He should have realized that so far Rodgers has had trouble staying healthy. So if he could have come into training camp, learned the offense, then played well in the preseason, the opportunity to start may have presented itself. But he turned that down. He has no one but himself to blame for this situation.

[MJZiggy]

I'll bet Daunte is now rueing the day he turned down TT's offer earlier this summer.... :roll:

Yeah, it really was the best offer for him. But he wanted an opportunity to start and GB wouldn't give him that. He should have realized that so far Rodgers has had trouble staying healthy. So if he could have come into training camp, learned the offense, then played well in the preseason, the opportunity to start may have presented itself. But he turned that down. He has no one but himself to blame for this situation.

They'd have hired him and he'd have started an iron man streak.

[BZnDallas]

i'm not trying to start anything here but when i heard the culpecker was retiring a thought came to mind and i haven't seen anybody else post about so here it is... i started to wonder if culpecker had signed to be the backup would brett still be a packer today?...

my reasoning for this is if culpecker signed to be the backup before the draft then TT probably wouldn't have drafted two qbs... then when brett announced that he wanted to come back it would have been between culpecker and favre and there is no way in hell (IMO) he would have taken pecker over favre... and in time favre (IMO) would have beaten AR out of the starting job... just a thought... any thoughts about that??

sorry if i'm :beat:

[run pMc]

My thought was if he was interested in reviving his career than maybe he should sign as a backup with a team that has a good QB coach or where the HC is a QB guru, sit a year and develop some actual QB skillz. SEA, NO, GB come to mind. He got by on athleticism (and Moss) when younger and I'd guess the knee injury robbed him of that.

I think Culfumbler wants to be a starter, and he wants to be paid like a starter. I guess I can't fault him for that -- but reality says a different perspecitive is called for.

The other route is to look at a team like BAL. He must have rubbed enough people the wrong way (e.g., reinjuring his knee while fooling around in OAK, getting escorted off the field by security in MIA) that he's been blacklisted.
I had alwyas heard he wasn't the brightest guy; the more I hear of/from him the more he convinces me of this.

[cpk1994]

Did it for attention only... patheticIronic, coming from a Favre fan.


You think Favre retired for attention?No, but I find it quite funny that a fan of Favre, a player who is an attention whore, would call another QB pathetic and doing sonething only for attention, hence the word ironic.

[mraynrand]

Has Culpepper returned yet?

[cpk1994]

Has Culpepper returned yet?Nope, he still has to text Mort first.

[Gunakor]

i'm not trying to start anything here but when i heard the culpecker was retiring a thought came to mind and i haven't seen anybody else post about so here it is... i started to wonder if culpecker had signed to be the backup would brett still be a packer today?...

my reasoning for this is if culpecker signed to be the backup before the draft then TT probably wouldn't have drafted two qbs... then when brett announced that he wanted to come back it would have been between culpecker and favre and there is no way in hell (IMO) he would have taken pecker over favre... and in time favre (IMO) would have beaten AR out of the starting job... just a thought... any thoughts about that??

sorry if i'm :beat:

I don't recall hearing or reading anywhere about TT looking for a veteran QB before the draft in the first place. On top of that, before the draft Favre was retired. As per the timeline released by Ted Thompson and then confirmed by Brett Favre himself, Favre didn't call McCarthy until June 20th to express his desire to return to football. The two rookies had already been drafted and had gone through OTA's and MC already. Had Culpepper been signed before the draft you are absolutely correct that TT would not have drafted 2 QB's, but there is nothing to support the idea that an offer had even been made prior to the draft. Besides, if Culpepper were signed before the draft, the only QB we'd have drafted would have been Brian Brohm. Flynn would have been the odd man out, and it would appear that Flynn might be the greater of the two rookies we drafted. To be perfectly honest, I like Flynn as the #2 better than I like Culpepper as the #2. And expanding on that a bit, I like Flynn as the #2 next year more than I'd like Brohm as the #2 next year, and if we'd have signed Culpepper that's exactly what we'd have next season. Flynn would not be a Packer.

[Carolina_Packer]

He wasn't out of talent or desire, he just couldn't fully recover from his injury. It doesn't really matter if a guy wants to represent himself or not, although I don't think I'd ever try to do that if I was a player; leave it to the experts.

Bottom line, if he could still play to a certain acceptable/desired level, someone would have given him a job. I read an article that quoted Sharper sticking up for him saying he's probably still better than a lot of guys who are employed in the league; they get a shot and he doesn't. We know that NFL teams are not afraid to bring in questionable character guys, and I don't think that was the real knock on Culpepper, so at the end of it all, it had to be GM's not believing he could achieve a high enough level of play to warrant giving him a job, although we know that our GM at least kicked the tires/took a flyer and Culpepper turned it down. In the end, it was the injury.

[Gunakor]

It doesn't really matter if a guy wants to represent himself or not, although I don't think I'd ever try to do that if I was a player; leave it to the experts.

If teams don't want to negotiate anything with you unless you have an agent they can talk to, then it really does matter whether you have an agent or not. Again, from everything I gather from the letters Culpepper has written and made public, it seems the biggest reason teams did not want to deal with him is because he was representing himself instead of hiring an agent. It matters quite a bit, apparently. I'm not saying it's right, just that things are the way they are.

[Carolina_Packer]

It doesn't really matter if a guy wants to represent himself or not, although I don't think I'd ever try to do that if I was a player; leave it to the experts.

If teams don't want to negotiate anything with you unless you have an agent they can talk to, then it really does matter whether you have an agent or not. Again, from everything I gather from the letters Culpepper has written and made public, it seems the biggest reason teams did not want to deal with him is because he was representing himself instead of hiring an agent. It matters quite a bit, apparently. I'm not saying it's right, just that things are the way they are.

If that reason was made plain to Culpepper and he refused to be represented because he was sticking to his guns, then he can only blame himself. Obviously Oakland didn't mind dealing with him, but it is Al Davis. Again, my point is, if the guy still had it, do you really think teams would put up some smoke-screen about not wanting to deal with him directly? If anything, they might be able to get him to accept less than an agent would. One things for sure, that saying about a person who represents themself has a fool for a client is generally true.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I like Flynn as the #2 better than I like Culpepper as the #2. And expanding on that a bit, I like Flynn as the #2 next year more than I'd like Brohm as the #2 next year, and if we'd have signed Culpepper that's exactly what we'd have next season. Flynn would not be a Packer.

I think Culpepper is better than Flynn right now. But you make a good point, no Flynn if they had Culpepper, that's no good.

Flynn has done an amazing feat: a seventh round pick has won the backup QB job. I think it would have been a bigger story if the team wasn't concerned about embarassing Brohm, they've played it low key.

[Carolina_Packer]

I like Flynn as the #2 better than I like Culpepper as the #2. And expanding on that a bit, I like Flynn as the #2 next year more than I'd like Brohm as the #2 next year, and if we'd have signed Culpepper that's exactly what we'd have next season. Flynn would not be a Packer.

I think Culpepper is better than Flynn right now. But you make a good point, no Flynn if they had Culpepper, that's no good.

Flynn has done an amazing feat: a seventh round pick has won the backup QB job. I think it would have been a bigger story if the team wasn't concerned about embarassing Brohm, they've played it low key.

They handled it perfectly. Fake competitions because of a player's draft slot or ego are transparent to the other players. I'd be psyched to be a marginal draft choice or undrafted guy that the Packers sign who does not have a big reputation because that tells me I have a shot if I work hard.

[Gunakor]

Again, my point is, if the guy still had it, do you really think teams would put up some smoke-screen about not wanting to deal with him directly? If anything, they might be able to get him to accept less than an agent would.


I'm not sure about that, given Culpepper's perception of market value. An agent would surely have been smart enough to pound it into Culpepper's head that market value is what teams are willing to pay, not what he thinks teams should be willing to pay. So I think that had Culpepper hired an agent he would have a job right now, because an agent probably would have convinced him to accept an offer below what he believed his market value was and get himself onto a roster somewhere.

[ThunderDan]

It doesn't really matter if a guy wants to represent himself or not, although I don't think I'd ever try to do that if I was a player; leave it to the experts.

If teams don't want to negotiate anything with you unless you have an agent they can talk to, then it really does matter whether you have an agent or not. Again, from everything I gather from the letters Culpepper has written and made public, it seems the biggest reason teams did not want to deal with him is because he was representing himself instead of hiring an agent. It matters quite a bit, apparently. I'm not saying it's right, just that things are the way they are.

I think you have it absolutely backwards. If I was a GM I would rather deal with a "green" agent representing himself than Drew Rosenpenis that has it down to a science.

[Gunakor]

It doesn't really matter if a guy wants to represent himself or not, although I don't think I'd ever try to do that if I was a player; leave it to the experts.

If teams don't want to negotiate anything with you unless you have an agent they can talk to, then it really does matter whether you have an agent or not. Again, from everything I gather from the letters Culpepper has written and made public, it seems the biggest reason teams did not want to deal with him is because he was representing himself instead of hiring an agent. It matters quite a bit, apparently. I'm not saying it's right, just that things are the way they are.

I think you have it absolutely backwards. If I was a GM I would rather deal with a "green" agent representing himself than Drew Rosenpenis that has it down to a science.

Read the letters written by Culpepper and tell me I have it backwards. He said it quite clearly that teams did not want to talk to him because he does not have an agent. Now, if you were a GM and would rather deal with Culpepper directly that's fine. You are entitled to have your own opinion on the matter. But several GM's in the NFL would apparently deal with Rosenhaus or Cook or any other agent than with Culpepper directly. I don't have it backwards at all. That's the way it is.

[Lurker64]

Clearly Culpepper says "teams didn't want to talk to me because I was my own agent", but I'm not so sure that what he says or what he believes necessarily represents reality. My guess is that when a few teams contacted him and learned that he wanted a shot at a starting job, and thus were unwilling to sign him, word of this got out and nobody wanted to talk to Daunte since nobody wanted to give him a shot at a starting job.

After all, the offer the Packers gave him was more than reasonable, and in light of him not accepting that, it's reasonable that the interest in signing Daunte waned a little bit.

[gex]

Did it for attention only... patheticIronic, coming from a Favre fan.


You think Favre retired for attention?No, but I find it quite funny that a fan of Favre, a player who is an attention whore, would call another QB pathetic and doing sonething only for attention, hence the word ironic.

Dude, enough already, what, you can't take a hint? :roll:

[ThunderDan]

It doesn't really matter if a guy wants to represent himself or not, although I don't think I'd ever try to do that if I was a player; leave it to the experts.

If teams don't want to negotiate anything with you unless you have an agent they can talk to, then it really does matter whether you have an agent or not. Again, from everything I gather from the letters Culpepper has written and made public, it seems the biggest reason teams did not want to deal with him is because he was representing himself instead of hiring an agent. It matters quite a bit, apparently. I'm not saying it's right, just that things are the way they are.

I think you have it absolutely backwards. If I was a GM I would rather deal with a "green" agent representing himself than Drew Rosenpenis that has it down to a science.

Read the letters written by Culpepper and tell me I have it backwards. He said it quite clearly that teams did not want to talk to him because he does not have an agent. Now, if you were a GM and would rather deal with Culpepper directly that's fine. You are entitled to have your own opinion on the matter. But several GM's in the NFL would apparently deal with Rosenhaus or Cook or any other agent than with Culpepper directly. I don't have it backwards at all. That's the way it is.

Culpepper is a jaded man dealing with a knee injury that took away his greatest asset as a QB ... his ability to run. It sounds like sour grapes and he is willing to blame anyone but himself. He also stated he didn't want to wait until a QB was hurt to get a job. BS what maybe 2 or 3 QBs get drafted and start right away, the rest get in mostly because of injuries. How about Favre and Warner?

[Gunakor]

Clearly Culpepper says "teams didn't want to talk to me because I was my own agent", but I'm not so sure that what he says or what he believes necessarily represents reality. My guess is that when a few teams contacted him and learned that he wanted a shot at a starting job, and thus were unwilling to sign him, word of this got out and nobody wanted to talk to Daunte since nobody wanted to give him a shot at a starting job.

After all, the offer the Packers gave him was more than reasonable, and in light of him not accepting that, it's reasonable that the interest in signing Daunte waned a little bit.


Well that's speculation. We don't know for certain what teams did or did not tell him, so all we have to go on is what Culpepper said. Whether you believe him or not, that's all the information on the topic we have. You can't really call him a liar because you have nothing to support your case against him. Nobody within NFL circles has come out and suggested he was lying. Any speculation is an uninformed opinion vs. Culpepper's public letters. I'll go by Culpepper's letters over fan's opinions for now because Culpepper was actually there and knows what went down. We fans do not.

He did say several times that he was willing to compete for a job, and at the end was willing to settle for a backup position. Apparently nobody offered him either of those opportunities either, with the known exception being that Culpepper turned down an offer from Green Bay because he felt it was below market value.

Agreed that the offer given to him by the Packers was more than reasonable. Which is why I say if he had an agent he'd probably have a job by now. An agent would get in Culpepper's ear and tell him that his market value was what he was offered. Accept it or sit. That's advice I'd expect any agent would give his client in that situation.

[Gunakor]

Culpepper is a jaded man dealing with a knee injury that took away his greatest asset as a QB ... his ability to run. It sounds like sour grapes and he is willing to blame anyone but himself. He also stated he didn't want to wait until a QB was hurt to get a job. BS what maybe 2 or 3 QBs get drafted and start right away, the rest get in mostly because of injuries. How about Favre and Warner?

Culpepper is not a rookie coming out of the draft. And he wasn't holding out for a starting job, he was holding out for what he believed was fair market value for his services. Thus he turned down Green Bay's offer, as he felt it was below market value.

He said he was willing to settle for a backup role if he couldn't land a starting job, which makes sense because if that were untrue he wouldn't have even entertained the idea of coming to Green Bay. He considered it knowing that Rodgers was the starter, and then turned it down.

[Sparkey]

i'm not trying to start anything here but when i heard the culpecker was retiring a thought came to mind and i haven't seen anybody else post about so here it is... i started to wonder if culpecker had signed to be the backup would brett still be a packer today?...

my reasoning for this is if culpecker signed to be the backup before the draft then TT probably wouldn't have drafted two qbs... then when brett announced that he wanted to come back it would have been between culpecker and favre and there is no way in hell (IMO) he would have taken pecker over favre... and in time favre (IMO) would have beaten AR out of the starting job... just a thought... any thoughts about that??

sorry if i'm :beat:

Ok,

IF they signed Culpepper as the Backup. He would be the backup to Rodgers. So, your thoughts are incorrect regarding it changing the outcome of favre un-retiring. However, as previously mentioned. We'd still have Brohm but not Flynn.

[BZnDallas]

i'm not trying to start anything here but when i heard the culpecker was retiring a thought came to mind and i haven't seen anybody else post about so here it is... i started to wonder if culpecker had signed to be the backup would brett still be a packer today?...

my reasoning for this is if culpecker signed to be the backup before the draft then TT probably wouldn't have drafted two qbs... then when brett announced that he wanted to come back it would have been between culpecker and favre and there is no way in hell (IMO) he would have taken pecker over favre... and in time favre (IMO) would have beaten AR out of the starting job... just a thought... any thoughts about that??

sorry if i'm :beat:

I don't recall hearing or reading anywhere about TT looking for a veteran QB before the draft in the first place. On top of that, before the draft Favre was retired. As per the timeline released by Ted Thompson and then confirmed by Brett Favre himself, Favre didn't call McCarthy until June 20th to express his desire to return to football. The two rookies had already been drafted and had gone through OTA's and MC already. Had Culpepper been signed before the draft you are absolutely correct that TT would not have drafted 2 QB's, but there is nothing to support the idea that an offer had even been made prior to the draft. Besides, if Culpepper were signed before the draft, the only QB we'd have drafted would have been Brian Brohm. Flynn would have been the odd man out, and it would appear that Flynn might be the greater of the two rookies we drafted. To be perfectly honest, I like Flynn as the #2 better than I like Culpepper as the #2. And expanding on that a bit, I like Flynn as the #2 next year more than I'd like Brohm as the #2 next year, and if we'd have signed Culpepper that's exactly what we'd have next season. Flynn would not be a Packer.


hmmm... packers look at culpecker april 23... '08 nfl draft is april 27th...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3364050

not my fault if you didn't remember or recall hearing it... and i didn't say he had been offered a contract... my point isn't or wasn't about the difference between flynn or brohm b/c i like flynn more too... did you even read my post?? my point is if the rotation was rodgers, culpecker, rookie, then its MY OPINION TT may have let culpecker go to let favre comeback WHEN HE DECIDED HE WAS READY, since he wouldn't have to let go of one of the two rookies he ended up drafting... Culpecker or favre which would you choose??

read this post all the way thru before replying... it might make a lil more sense...

[BZnDallas]

i'm not trying to start anything here but when i heard the culpecker was retiring a thought came to mind and i haven't seen anybody else post about so here it is... i started to wonder if culpecker had signed to be the backup would brett still be a packer today?...

my reasoning for this is if culpecker signed to be the backup before the draft then TT probably wouldn't have drafted two qbs... then when brett announced that he wanted to come back it would have been between culpecker and favre and there is no way in hell (IMO) he would have taken pecker over favre... and in time favre (IMO) would have beaten AR out of the starting job... just a thought... any thoughts about that??

sorry if i'm :beat:

Ok,

IF they signed Culpepper as the Backup. He would be the backup to Rodgers. So, your thoughts are incorrect regarding it changing the outcome of favre un-retiring. However, as previously mentioned. We'd still have Brohm but not Flynn.


:bclap:

nothing gets by this guy!!

how is my opinion incorrect? ITS AN OPINION!! and i never said anything about him changing the outcome about un-retiring... i just stated that if brett still wanted to play and had culpecker been a packer at the time, TT might have let culpecker go so brett could come back (and not get traded) since he wouldn't have to let go of a draft choice?... is this soooo hard to understand... i'm sorry if i didn't explain myself well enough for ya'll to understand...

like stated earlier, actually read the post, try and figure out what someone is saying before telling them their opinion is wrong

[Sparkey]

i'm not trying to start anything here but when i heard the culpecker was retiring a thought came to mind and i haven't seen anybody else post about so here it is... i started to wonder if culpecker had signed to be the backup would brett still be a packer today?...

my reasoning for this is if culpecker signed to be the backup before the draft then TT probably wouldn't have drafted two qbs... then when brett announced that he wanted to come back it would have been between culpecker and favre and there is no way in hell (IMO) he would have taken pecker over favre... and in time favre (IMO) would have beaten AR out of the starting job... just a thought... any thoughts about that??

sorry if i'm :beat:

Ok,

IF they signed Culpepper as the Backup. He would be the backup to Rodgers. So, your thoughts are incorrect regarding it changing the outcome of favre un-retiring. However, as previously mentioned. We'd still have Brohm but not Flynn.


:bclap:

nothing gets by this guy!!

how is my opinion incorrect? ITS AN OPINION!! and i never said anything about him changing the outcome about un-retiring... i just stated that if brett still wanted to play and had culpecker been a packer at the time, TT might have let culpecker go so brett could come back (and not get traded) since he wouldn't have to let go of a draft choice?... is this soooo hard to understand... i'm sorry if i didn't explain myself well enough for ya'll to understand...

like stated earlier, actually read the post, try and figure out what someone is saying before telling them their opinion is wrong

Hey stupid. I was not referring to Favre's decision (HIM as you so eloquently state) to retire/unretire. I am talking about the the final end result (or outcome) of Favre un-retiring was HE WAS TRADED.

Favre being traded had nothing to do with draft picks or depth charts as you assume, by your previous post. TT & MM have stated as much in previous interviews.

Now I feel stupid. I just realized I wasted 10 minutes replying to your drival. :beat: :roll:

[BZnDallas]

i'm not trying to start anything here but when i heard the culpecker was retiring a thought came to mind and i haven't seen anybody else post about so here it is... i started to wonder if culpecker had signed to be the backup would brett still be a packer today?...

my reasoning for this is if culpecker signed to be the backup before the draft then TT probably wouldn't have drafted two qbs... then when brett announced that he wanted to come back it would have been between culpecker and favre and there is no way in hell (IMO) he would have taken pecker over favre... and in time favre (IMO) would have beaten AR out of the starting job... just a thought... any thoughts about that??

sorry if i'm :beat:

Ok,

IF they signed Culpepper as the Backup. He would be the backup to Rodgers. So, your thoughts are incorrect regarding it changing the outcome of favre un-retiring. However, as previously mentioned. We'd still have Brohm but not Flynn.


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nothing gets by this guy!!

how is my opinion incorrect? ITS AN OPINION!! and i never said anything about him changing the outcome about un-retiring... i just stated that if brett still wanted to play and had culpecker been a packer at the time, TT might have let culpecker go so brett could come back (and not get traded) since he wouldn't have to let go of a draft choice?... is this soooo hard to understand... i'm sorry if i didn't explain myself well enough for ya'll to understand...

like stated earlier, actually read the post, try and figure out what someone is saying before telling them their opinion is wrong

Hey stupid. I was not referring to Favre's decision (HIM as you so eloquently state) to retire/unretire. I am talking about the the final end result (or outcome) of Favre un-retiring was HE WAS TRADED.

Favre being traded had nothing to do with draft picks or depth charts as you assume, by your previous post. TT & MM have stated as much in previous interviews.

Now I feel stupid. I just realized I wasted 10 minutes replying to your drival. :beat: :roll:


so now we are calling people names?... we can't just have a heated conversation or a difference of opinion?... and may i ask a question of you?... do you buy everything TT & MM say in their interviews?... if so i've got some great land to sell ya down in the new orleans area...


good lord it only started out as a quick thought... didn't mean for people to get so pissed off about it... that if culpecker had signed a 1 year 1 million dollar contract with the pack (which is what i thought i heard as a rumor) and only one qb being drafted, i thought it was a POSSIBILITY (thats all i'm saying) that they MIGHT NOT HAVE TRADED FAVRE (thanx for clearing that up, you know being stupid and all i wasn't exactly sure what had happened there)... and maybe would have let him compete...

and one other thing... don't feel stupid about wasting 10 minutes replying to my post... feel stupid that it took you that long to write 10 lines... are you the "hunt and peck" kind of typist? that could account for it...

[Scott Campbell]

so now we are calling people names?... we can't just have a heated conversation or a difference of opinion?

Name calling is a time honored tradition around here, so congratulations to both of you. You're never a full fledged Rat until you get into a stupid argument.

One day I hope to get into one myself. But for now I'll have to live vicariously through your temporary hatred of each other. Carry on.

[mraynrand]

"Hey stupid. I was not referring to Favre's decision (HIM as you so eloquently state) to retire/unretire. I am talking about the the final end result (or outcome) of Favre un-retiring was HE WAS TRADED.

Favre being traded had nothing to do with draft picks or depth charts as you assume, by your previous post. TT & MM have stated as much in previous interviews.

Now I feel stupid. I just realized I wasted 10 minutes replying to your drival."

That took 10 minutes?

[BZnDallas]

so now we are calling people names?... we can't just have a heated conversation or a difference of opinion?

Name calling is a time honored tradition around here, so congratulations to both of you. You're never a full fledged Rat until you get into a stupid argument.

One day I hope to get into one myself. But for now I'll have to live vicariously through your temporary hatred of each other. Carry on.

LMAO... true that... i guess i'm full fledged now... its not that i hate any of you guys, haha... it was just that i had this quick thought and figured i'd share it with ya'll... i'm from texas baby, southern hospitality!!... haha....

[cpk1994]

so now we are calling people names?... we can't just have a heated conversation or a difference of opinion?

Name calling is a time honored tradition around here, so congratulations to both of you. You're never a full fledged Rat until you get into a stupid argument.

One day I hope to get into one myself. But for now I'll have to live vicariously through your temporary hatred of each other. Carry on.Really? I seem to recall some hum dingers that you were involved in. :)

[Scott Campbell]

Really? I seem to recall some hum dingers that you were involved in. :)


I can neither confirm or deny any such alleged allegations. :P



And you weren't around for any of the really good ones anyway.

[mission]

Hahaha that exchange was so typical...

Goes like this ..

1. One dude says something sarcastic like "you're really bright" and goes on to throw at least one capital letter word into the following sentence.

2. Next dude calls the first guy "stupid"/"idiot"/"moron"

3. First guy says "when did i call you names? i refuse to drop so low"

4. Someone tells the first guy to grow some balls and that's just how it goes on the internet.

5. A third party says something sarcastic or one of the forum niceguys says something about how we need to respect others in our community or this forum will end up like the original JS online.

5b. Someone new yet chimes in saying a sarcastic one liner telling that third party nice guy to go back to hugging trees and planting flowers.

[gex]

Hahaha that exchange was so typical...

Goes like this ..

1. One dude says something sarcastic like "you're really bright" and goes on to throw at least one capital letter word into the following sentence.

2. Next dude calls the first guy "stupid"/"idiot"/"moron"

3. First guy says "when did i call you names? i refuse to drop so low"

4. Someone tells the first guy to grow some balls and that's just how it goes on the internet.

5. A third party says something sarcastic or one of the forum niceguys says something about how we need to respect others in our community or this forum will end up like the original JS online.

5b. Someone new yet chimes in saying a sarcastic one liner telling that third party nice guy to go back to hugging trees and planting flowers.

lol :lol:

[Sparkey]

so now we are calling people names?... we can't just have a heated conversation or a difference of opinion?

Name calling is a time honored tradition around here, so congratulations to both of you. You're never a full fledged Rat until you get into a stupid argument.

One day I hope to get into one myself. But for now I'll have to live vicariously through your temporary hatred of each other. Carry on.

LMAO... true that... i guess i'm full fledged now... its not that i hate any of you guys, haha... it was just that i had this quick thought and figured i'd share it with ya'll... i'm from texas baby, southern hospitality!!... haha....

Stupid was uncalled for, my bad.

Oh, and yeah it took ten minutes because this site seems to not post and make you login after hitting submit and then having to enter everything back in again. :?

[mission]

so now we are calling people names?... we can't just have a heated conversation or a difference of opinion?

Name calling is a time honored tradition around here, so congratulations to both of you. You're never a full fledged Rat until you get into a stupid argument.

One day I hope to get into one myself. But for now I'll have to live vicariously through your temporary hatred of each other. Carry on.

LMAO... true that... i guess i'm full fledged now... its not that i hate any of you guys, haha... it was just that i had this quick thought and figured i'd share it with ya'll... i'm from texas baby, southern hospitality!!... haha....

Stupid was uncalled for, my bad.

Oh, and yeah it took ten minutes because this site seems to not post and make you login after hitting submit and then having to enter everything back in again. :?\

ok, so that's not just me ...

[Scott Campbell]

I've got a C note that says he's left 11 voice mails for Bellichek.

[Zool]

Stupid was uncalled for, my bad.

Oh, and yeah it took ten minutes because this site seems to not post and make you login after hitting submit and then having to enter everything back in again. :?\

ok, so that's not just me ...

Clear all your cache.

[SnakeLH2006]

so now we are calling people names?... we can't just have a heated conversation or a difference of opinion?

Name calling is a time honored tradition around here, so congratulations to both of you. You're never a full fledged Rat until you get into a stupid argument.

One day I hope to get into one myself. But for now I'll have to live vicariously through your temporary hatred of each other. Carry on.

LMAO... true that... i guess i'm full fledged now... its not that i hate any of you guys, haha... it was just that i had this quick thought and figured i'd share it with ya'll... i'm from texas baby, southern hospitality!!... haha....

Stupid was uncalled for, my bad.

Oh, and yeah it took ten minutes because this site seems to not post and make you login after hitting submit and then having to enter everything back in again. :?

Damn bro get off the dial-up cuz it's hard to respond back quick and be gangster....



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[Sparkey]

Stupid was uncalled for, my bad.

Oh, and yeah it took ten minutes because this site seems to not post and make you login after hitting submit and then having to enter everything back in again. :?\

ok, so that's not just me ...

Clear all your cache.

I do that every night when I log-off. It still does it. In fact, sometimes, after I have logged in on the GBP form then navigate to the Fantasy forum and click a topic it takes me right back to the base forum groups listing page.

Using Firefox. Have not checked if the same results occur using IE or Safari.