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woodbuck27
06-19-2006, 06:48 PM
Pick Safety

Written by PackerChatters Staff
Monday, 19 June 2006

By crunching numbers dating back to 1994, Sam Roberts of NFL Draft Blitz breaks down the top ten draft picks of each year, and tells us what positions he considers "safe" picks for NFL teams on draft day.

Every year there are tons of controversy and conversation about whether a player will be a bust or star in the NFL. It's one of the hottest topics to every NFL Draft follower, and it seems everyone has their own opinion about the future success or failure of a certain player. With the draft being practically a crap shoot, it's almost unpredictable to say which players will boom, bust or become consistent starters.

But, with accurate research you can come to a conclusion about what positions produce players that are so-called "safe picks".

This year, some of the widely regarded safe players were A.J Hawk and Vernon Davis because there isn't much of a learning curve in drafting a linebacker or tight end.

On the other hand, when you draft a quarterback, if you pick the wrong guy it can set your franchise behind for years and years.

I've compiled a list for each position that has been selected in the top ten between 1994 and 2004. The list contains busts, consistent starters, and stars. This should provide at least a little bit of info on the safer positions in the NFL Draft.

Qualifications for bust: Player has started less than 80% of their games, and is widely considered an NFL bust.

Qualifications for consistent starter: Player has started in over 65% of their games or started over 50 games.

Qualifications for star: Has made one or more Pro Bowl and is highly regarded as a star player.




Quarterbacks

Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, Donovan McNabb, Steve McNair and Michael Vick have all reached the star category. These players were all great decisions by their respective teams, and have grown into great NFL players. Trent Dilfer and Kerry Collins have become consistent starters, and while they may not have turned out to be the players they were supposed to be, they were not complete busts. Both players have actually appeared in one or more Super Bowl. Joey Harrington, Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, Heath Shuler, Tim Couch and David Carr are classified as busts. Carr and Harrington still have time to change their current status, but for now they haven�t performed nearly as well as expected. Thirty-three percent of these guys have become stars, 13% have become starters and 54% became busts. Based on these numbers, quarterback is far and away the most important and most unpredictable position to select in the draft.

Running Backs

LaDainian Tomlinson, Edgerrin James, Marshall Faulk, Jamal Lewis and Ricky Williams developed into stars. Lewis has had off the field issues recently, and Faulk is considering retirement. Ricky Williams is now in the CFL, and recently has had more problems than you can count. The only running back who statistically fits into the category of "consistent starter" is Fred Taylor. The injuries and other problems he has had, are the only things holding him back from being in the star category. When a team drafts a running back, they expect a starter for years to come. Unfortunately for the teams who drafted Lawrence Phillips, Ki-Jana Carter and Curtis Enis, they didn't quite work out. All three players failed in the NFL, rarely to be heard of after the early years in their respective careers. Fifty-six percent of running backs drafted in the top ten became all-pro players. Only 11% (Fred Taylor) became a consistent starters, while 33% were unsuccessful.

Wide Receivers

There were 18 wide outs taken top ten between '94 and '04, more than any other position. For the most part, teams have done well with who they selected. Only three (J.J. Stokes, David Terrell and Charles Rogers) have completely failed at the next level. I'm not going to go through all the names, but most, if not all, are recognizable. Thirty-nine percent of wide receivers grew to be pro-bowl caliber players, 47% became consistent starters, while only 14% couldn't cut it.

Offensive Linemen

It's obvious that when drafting offensive linemen, you're making a pretty safe pick. But it never dawned on me just how safe it truly is. I'd rather not bore you with all the names, but there was a statistical total of 0 busts out of 14 offensive linemen. Seven became stars, and another seven turned out to be consistent starters. Walter Jones and Orlando Pace are possibly two of the best players in the entire league, and the rest are adequate at the very least. NFL teams have done well drafting linemen on both sides of the ball as you will see if you look two inches down.

Defensive Linemen

As far as defensive ends go, Julius Peppers, Simeon Rice and Richard Seymour are the only defensive ends who have been highly successful in the NFL. Grant Wistrom, Greg Ellis and Mike Mamula developed into dependable starters. By the numbers, Courtney Brown fits into that category as well, but personally I would label him a bust. Speaking of busts, Jamal Reynolds and Andre Wadsworth both fall into that category. One hundred percent of defensive tackles selected in the top ten became, at a minimum, consistent starters. There were no busts whatsoever, which really says a lot about the defensive end position.

Cornerbacks

Predominantly, when a team gets a corner they are getting a sure thing. Even with the rule changes that limit a cornerback's "shutdown" ability, teams are still drafting them like crazy. Champ Bailey, Chris McAllister and DeAngelo Hall are three of the top corners in the league, and widely considered to be three of the best players in the entire NFL. Only 24% of corners didn't quite pan out, while 38% became stars, which equal out to some pretty good odds if you ask me.

The Breakdown

Odds of drafting a "star" with a top ten pick.

RB: 56%
OL: 54%
DT: 50%
WR: 39%
CB: 38%
QB: 33%
DE: 33%

Ideally, you now have a better idea of what your team's odds are with each position. Feel safe with any lineman, because there were only two (defensive ends) who actually turned out to be busts. Quarterback is the riskiest position, but can also turn out to be the best pick your franchise could make.

Even with all the statistics in the world, the NFL Draft will always be a matter of chance, scouting and even a little bit of luck.

pbmax
06-20-2006, 09:00 AM
Good article woodbuck. However, those success rates don't deter teams from taking players at those positions in early rounds. In fact, two of the lower numbers, at DE and CB, are always in high demand in the first round.

This article:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/2006/04/24/ramblings/nfl-draft/3828/

details the numbers from which round for each position. What's interesting, is that some of the good success rates are the same positions (like DT and OT) that get most of their starters in rounds one.

And if you look at DE and CB, you can see teams reach in round one, but still others find starters in later rounds.

woodbuck27
06-20-2006, 09:36 AM
Jaaasuuuusss pbmax. I got a start on that article between pages of ' War and Peace'. **Looonnngggg Article . . . but it will be very informative.

Correction: Good news Packer fans etc. Most of the material on that page is devoted to a chat on the article's contents. Now, that chat contains alot of possible interest as well, if you care to gleen it carefully.

My Article is limited in it's value as a resource, as it's based on only the first TEN picks. Maybe GREAT for 'the fodder in the League', but. . . is that 'a consolation' ?

woodbuck27
06-20-2006, 11:12 AM
In reference to 'the planet theory' used in the Article:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/2006/04/24/ramblings/nfl-draft/3828/

As true fans of the NFL draft know, every year the “planet theory” comes into play – this theory, postulated by George Young and now, endorsed by Bill Parcells - is as follows: there are only so many big, fat men _on the planet Earth_ who can move with agility, quickness and speed, and when a team gets a chance to take one in the draft, they will leap at that chance.

HarveyWallbangers
06-20-2006, 01:29 PM
Where did LBs rank?

woodbuck27
06-20-2006, 02:28 PM
1st round draft picks or players since 1986 (by positon - Alphabetically) that went on to win a Super Bowl:

note: # = position taken in First round.


Centers: 6 drafted.

Started and won SB with team that drafted him: 1 (Damien Woody, #17)

Started and won SB with another team: 0



Defensive Backs: 91 drafted

Own team SB: 9 (Steve Atwater, #20; Todd Lyght, #5; Kevin Smith, #17; Ty Law, #23; Craig Newsome, #32; Duane Starks, #10; Tebucky Jones, #22; Chris McAlister, #10; Troy Polamalu, #16)

Other team SB: 4 (Rod Woodson, #10; Deion Sanders, #5; Darrien Gordon, #22; Tyrone Poole, #22)



Defensive Ends: 80 drafted

Own team SB: 5 (Willie McGinest, #4 ; Kevin Carter, 6; Peter Boulware, #4; Trevor Pryce, #28; Grant Wistrom, #6)

Other team SB: 2 (Neil Smith, #2; Simeon Rice, #3)



[b]Defensive Tackles: 50 drafted

Own team SB: 7 (Russell Maryland, #1; Dana Stubblefield, #26; Bryant Young, #7; Warren Sapp, #12; Richard Seymour, #6; Casey Hampton, #19; Vince Wilfork, #21)

Other team SB: 2 (Ted Washington, #25; Sam Adams, #8)



Guards: 15 drafted

Own team SB: 2 (Alan Faneca, #26; Kendall Simmons, #30)

Other team SB: 1 (Jeff Hartings, #23 [Started at C]) [Note: all 3 played for last year’s Steelers]



Kickers: 1 drafted

Own team SB: 0

Other team SB: 0



Linebackers: 64 drafted (includes Brian Bosworth in supplemental draft)

Own team SB: 5 (Robert Jones, #24; Wayne Simmons, #15; Derrick Brooks, #28; John Mobley, #15; Ray Lewis, #26)

Other team SB: 1 (James Farrior, #8)



Quarterbacks: 46 drafted (includes Steve Walsh, Tim Rosenbach, and Dave Brown)

Own team SB: 2 (Troy Aikman, #1; Ben Roethlisberger, #11)

Other team SB: 1 (Trent Dilfer, #6)



Running backs: 76 drafted

Own team SB: 2 (Emmitt Smith, #17; William Floyd, #28)

Note: Jamal Lewis did not start Super Bowl XXXV

Other team SB: 2 (Marshall Faulk, #2; Antowain Smith, #23)



Tackles: 73 drafted

Own team SB: 6 (Harris Barton, #22; Eric Moore, #10; Aaron Taylor, #16; Jonathan Ogden, #4; Orlando Pace, #1; Kenyatta Walker, #14)

Other team SB: 0


Tight ends: 20 drafted

Own team SB: 2 (Dan Graham, #21; Heath Miller, #30) [Note: both teams had the best record in the league the year before]

Other team SB: 0



Wide receivers: 75 drafted (includes Rob Moore)

Own team SB: 4 (Mark Ingram, #28; Michael Irvin, #11; Alvin Harper, #12; Torry Holt, #6)

Other team SB: 2 (Andre Rison, #22; Keyshawn Johnson, #1)


So out of 597 players drafted in the first round only 45 players went on to 'a Super Bowl Win' with the team that drafted him and an additional 15 first round draft picks won a Super bowl with a team that didn't draft him.

Only 10.05 % of all players drafted in Round one, since 1986 (or 60) won at least one Super Bowl.


Summary:

DB's won 13 Super Bowl's.
DT's won 9 .
DE's won 7.
OT's, LBer's and WR's won 6.
RB's won 4.
QB's won 3.
All other positions won 6.

K-town
06-20-2006, 02:52 PM
1st round draft picks or players since 1986 (by positon - Alphabetically) that went on to win a Super Bowl:

Defensive Backs: 91 drafted

Own team SB: 9 (Steve Atwater, #20; Todd Lyght, #5; Kevin Smith, #17; Ty Law, #23; Craig Newsome, #32; Duane Starks, #10; Tebucky Jones, #22; Chris McAlister, #10; Troy Polamalu, #16)

Other team SB: 4 (Rod Woodson, #10; Deion Sanders, #5; Darrien Gordon, #22; Tyrone Poole, #22)

What about Terrell Beckley? Drafted in the first round in 1992 (5th pick overall) by Green Bay. Won a Superbowl with New England?
I may be wrong on this, as T-Buck seemed to vaccillate between Miami and New England in his later years. Woodbuck - can you confirm?

woodbuck27
06-20-2006, 04:36 PM
1st round draft picks or players since 1986 (by positon - Alphabetically) that went on to win a Super Bowl:

Defensive Backs: 91 drafted

Own team SB: 9 (Steve Atwater, #20; Todd Lyght, #5; Kevin Smith, #17; Ty Law, #23; Craig Newsome, #32; Duane Starks, #10; Tebucky Jones, #22; Chris McAlister, #10; Troy Polamalu, #16)

Other team SB: 4 (Rod Woodson, #10; Deion Sanders, #5; Darrien Gordon, #22; Tyrone Poole, #22)

What about Terrell Beckley? Drafted in the first round in 1992 (5th pick overall) by Green Bay. Won a Superbowl with New England?
I may be wrong on this, as T-Buck seemed to vaccillate between Miami and New England in his later years. Woodbuck - can you confirm?

Yup missed him and maybe more.

Terrell Buckley was a sub player for the Pat's in Super Bowl XXXVI
a win by 'the Pat's' over 'the Rams' by a score of 20 - 17. The starting CB's were Ty Law and Otis Smith. Each made a pick with Ty Law returning one for a TD.