An Al Harris idea

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Since al harris wants a new contract and IMO hes to old for a new one, why not give him however much cap space we have left after we sign our rookies and any other possible cheap free agents. Say we have 2m in space left, why not give him a 2m dollar rise just this year. This way he will be happy this year and maye one more and then we can cut him. This may not be possible for what ever reason, but its just an idea................

[PlantPage55]

We will need to save SOME for an emergency...what if so many people go down this season that we need to sign a bunch of guys like last year?

[Partial]

They may need that space to renegoiate later on. Harris has one to two good years max, so i'd wait him out.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think Al likes your suggestion a lot.

[Willard]

Maybe PaCkFan_n_MD IS Al Harris!

[retailguy]

What message does this proposal send the other 52 players on the team? :shock:


Maybe Al would be the only player in camp the day after that happened.

[Packers4Ever]

Since al harris wants a new contract and IMO hes to old for a new one, why not give him however much cap space we have left after we sign our rookies and any other possible cheap free agents. Say we have 2m in space left, why not give him a 2m dollar rise just this year. This way he will be happy this year and maye one more and then we can cut him. This may not be possible for what ever reason, but its just an idea................

I could live with that idea, PackFan, rather than turn him flat down.

After all, were there any others in the secondary all that helpful

last year? So maybe as a small thanks? I know, I know, my kind

of thinking would bust the bank, :D

[KYPack]

Since al harris wants a new contract and IMO hes to old for a new one, why not give him however much cap space we have left after we sign our rookies and any other possible cheap free agents. Say we have 2m in space left, why not give him a 2m dollar rise just this year. This way he will be happy this year and maye one more and then we can cut him. This may not be possible for what ever reason, but its just an idea................

You simply can't manage the roster in this fashion. Not only is it a dangerous precedent, you need to maintain a reserve for other moves during the year, as others have mentioned.

We'll be OK at corner this year Harris or no Harris.

[woodbuck27]

"We'll be OK at corner this year Harris or no Harris." KYPack

Well I won't go that far ( I'm not really excited over the C.Woodson signing as $ could have been better spent ) but for sure Al Harris is not gaining a thing for himself by playing the "Jeee I want more $ routine".

Get in there Alllll, and act like 'a team player'. . . and maybe?

It didn't work for Jawhine Walker and it did for Donald Driver. Which player does Al Harris resemble today? That in essence is. . . what it's always about.Today and certainly 'of late'.

What you did for me (the Packers) TODAY?!!

If Al Harris is wanting to be a problem, so what. . . .we have way. . . . too many other one's.

[MadtownPacker]

I got much love for Harrisment but NO! DOing this would be a terrible move by TT. Maye add some incentives for INT or something but cant just give him the $$$. He has a fair contract and if he plays lights out this season maybe but I think Carroll is gonna be taking his job.

[Packers4Ever]

Since al harris wants a new contract and IMO hes to old for a new one, why not give him however much cap space we have left after we sign our rookies and any other possible cheap free agents. Say we have 2m in space left, why not give him a 2m dollar rise just this year. This way he will be happy this year and maye one more and then we can cut him. This may not be possible for what ever reason, but its just an idea................

You simply can't manage the roster in this fashion. Not only is it a dangerous precedent, you need to maintain a reserve for other moves during the year, as others have mentioned.

We'll be OK at corner this year Harris or no Harris.

I'm holding you to that, KY ! :smile:

[KYPack]

Since al harris wants a new contract and IMO hes to old for a new one, why not give him however much cap space we have left after we sign our rookies and any other possible cheap free agents. Say we have 2m in space left, why not give him a 2m dollar rise just this year. This way he will be happy this year and maye one more and then we can cut him. This may not be possible for what ever reason, but its just an idea................

You simply can't manage the roster in this fashion. Not only is it a dangerous precedent, you need to maintain a reserve for other moves during the year, as others have mentioned.

We'll be OK at corner this year Harris or no Harris.

I'm holding you to that, KY ! :smile:

OK.

I think Carroll will "get it" in his 3rd year.

Charles Woodson is a "Northern guy" I feel he'll flourish in the WI/Pack environs and will play at a high level.

One or two of the young guys can fill in at nickle & maybe, just maybe Hawkins can help at dime.

If Al Harris wants to get paid, he can play. If not, he can sit.

If I'm wrong, you can tease me, & I'll take it like a man.

[Packers4Ever]

[quote=PaCkFan_n_MD]]

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We'll be OK at corner this year Harris or no Harris.

I'm holding you to that, KY ! :smile:

OK.

I think Carroll will "get it" in his 3rd year.

Charles Woodson is a "Northern guy" I feel he'll flourish in the WI/Pack environs and will play at a high level.

One or two of the young guys can fill in at nickle & maybe, just maybe Hawkins can help at dime.

If Al Harris wants to get paid, he can play. If not, he can sit.

If I'm wrong, you can tease me, & I'll take it like a man.

You're on !! :wink:

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

looks like al heard my idea and now he's not coming to training camp. sry all :smile:

[Run2win38]

This pay for performance goes two ways Al

A raise? I am all for it - but lets start of by shrinking your base a bit

And then give you all kinds of incentives to earn big bucks

You players are kind of like little sub-contractors anyway - selling your services - the good small business men and women guarantee their work. If fact you could go out and buy the insurance that protects the Packers in case you screw up a knee or something while performing your job - isn't that what other small buisness men and women have to do in the real world?

What do ya say Al?

Otherwise - shut up and play for what you signed for

[MJZiggy]

Welcome to the forum Run2win. Hope you like the place.

[Run2win38]

Thanks for the welcome MJZiggy

I enjoy the banter taking place here

You all are fun to read - hope I can bring somehting every once and a while

[billy_oliver880]

Thanks for the welcome MJZiggy

I enjoy the banter taking place here

You all are fun to read - hope I can bring somehting every once and a while

Run...you could be like me and bring nothing to the table but post anyways. :lol:

[Harlan Huckleby]

You all are fun to read - hope I can bring somehting every once and a while

standards are pretty low. don't hold anything back.

[Packers4Ever]

Thanks for the welcome MJZiggy

I enjoy the banter taking place here

You all are fun to read - hope I can bring somehting every once and a while

Big welcome from me too, Run2win, I think you'll enjoy this forum, well run and lots of great people. Sometimes someone may get a little too flappy but doesn't happen that much.

Now - am I wrong or didn't I read that AC was to be mentored by AL ???

[CaptainKickass]

I wonder if Carrol knew/had a feeling that AL was gonna pull this BS and that's why he's shut up and accepted the demotion as well as the signing of Chuck W. so well.....


hmmmmmmm???

[MJZiggy]

Ahh, conspiracy theories in the offseason...I think Carroll shut up and took his demotion because he knew having a hissy fit would get him nowhere but demoted further. There's a time to sit back and take a look at what you still have left to lose. I think this was his wake-up call. Let's see how wide awake he gets.

[Harlan Huckleby]

It ain't much of a demotion. Caroll will play a lot, probably end up starting some games as injuries occur in secondary. He's young and getting better, Harris and Woodson are well past their prime.

[Packers4Ever]

Ahh, conspiracy theories in the offseason...I think Carroll shut up and took his demotion because he knew having a hissy fit would get him nowhere but demoted further. There's a time to sit back and take a look at what you still have left to lose. I think this was his wake-up call. Let's see how wide awake he gets.
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I'm not sure Carroll even has a clue what a wake up call is, MJ. Everyone's

buzzing about how "improved" he is this year, so far, but I just can't buy

it, at least not yet. He's been 'talked to,' coached, and every other thing

for 2 years to give him that wake up call, but.....I'm afraid I only vision

him as a younger T.O. or one of these "look at me" characters. Maybe

when I see a little maturity developing in him I can speak a little more

kindly. Until then, I'll just watch..... :neutral:

[Scott Campbell]

Ahh, conspiracy theories in the offseason...I think Carroll shut up and took his demotion because he knew having a hissy fit would get him nowhere but demoted further. There's a time to sit back and take a look at what you still have left to lose. I think this was his wake-up call. Let's see how wide awake he gets.
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I'm not sure Carroll even has a clue what a wake up call is, MJ. Everyone's

buzzing about how "improved" he is this year, so far, but I just can't buy

it, at least not yet. He's been 'talked to,' coached, and every other thing

for 2 years to give him that wake up call, but.....

He came out early. It's not like he entered the league as a 22 year old.

[Fritz]

What if Ted goes to Al's agent and promises to renegotiate after this season? If he does that and Harris plays well, TT could negotiate a much shorter term deal with higher pay, so the Pack is not stuck paying for Harris when he's sitting in a rocking chair reading the paper with his bi-focals. If Harris plays like crap, TT could say no soap to the guy.

[Harlan Huckleby]

What if Ted goes to Al's agent and promises to renegotiate after this season?

Nah, that is of little use to Al. He is at age where his bargaining position goes down every year. Harris is gonna get his deal upgrade now or never and he knows it.

He had his shot, 2004, got his $7M nest egg.