Official Favre vs. Rodgers Statistical Analysis 2008 Thread

[SnakeLH2006]

Thought it would be fun to make a thread comparing their stats this season as it's such a heated topic.

Week 1: Favre:

194 yards 68.2% 2 TD's 0 INT 125.9 Rating 1 Win

Week 1: Rodgers:

178 yards 81.8% 1 TD's 0 INT 115.5 Rating 1 Win

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My guess for overall statistical analysis is this

Favre:

3500 yards 63% 24 TD's 18 INT 84 Rating 10 Wins

Rodgers:

3350 yards 65% 23 TD's 16 INT 85 Rating 11 Wins


Post your own as this will be fun to look at all season as I didn't use a QB rating formula with those stats, but I'm sure they will have similar numbers and wins. Good stuff here!! :D

[Harlan Huckleby]

how many Brett the Jet threads do we need?

[SnakeLH2006]

how many Brett the Jet threads do we need?

This is a Packer thread. If you don't want to contribute, then don't. I'm a big Arod fan and think he'll do well. It's all about stats, not egos. Fun thread, don't stomp on it.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I guess the Favre vrs. Rodgers game is inevitable. Tony Kornheiser seems pretty excited about it.

There is nothing wrong with your poll, I'm just a bit irritable on the topic.

[SnakeLH2006]

I guess the Favre vrs. Rodgers game is inevitable. Tony Kornheiser seems pretty excited about it.

There is nothing wrong with your poll, I'm just a bit irritable on the topic.

It's all good as Kornheiser can make a sane man irritable. I've got many hardcore Packer buddies so split on this topic it's nuts. I wish the best to both (even the Favre haters can hope for his best as that means we get a better draft pick). I think they both do well and picked Arod for a better rating and wins, but not by much.

Brett's kinda the Nolan Ryan of QB's (but many forgot about Warren Moon....as he put up amazing numbers as an old QB, much less as a black QB when it was rare...he was pretty damn good). My guess is Favre plays one more year as he'll be at 269 for consecutive games played for any NFL position after 2008 if he makes it through the year......as L. Marshall has the record at 270 for any player, so Brett needs to play at 40 to get that record.

As much as I love seeing him play (fun as hell watching him last week having fun vs. the Dolphins) he loves his stats though he'd never admit it. I guaran-damn-tee he plays in 2009 to put up some crazy all-time numbers in career QB numbers (Peyton is slowing down and Brady is hurt) cuz his ego is HUGE (nothing wrong with that, Jordan had one too) and he'll get the all-time starting streak record of any postition as a QB!! WTF? That shit is just nuts.

I love Brett, but I'm really growing with Arod as that was best for us I guess (hard to say but it's looking pretty good) but this thread is not about their egos or ours, just pure stats. I think Arod barely edges Brett this year in rating and wins. End post.

[Lurker64]

Well, "quarterback rating" has never been Brett's forte, even in his best years his QB rating wasn't particularly high. If Rodgers lives up to the "high percentage passer, no mistakes, game manager" reputation he'll easily beat Favre in QB rating, since "gunslinger" and "high QB rating" don't go hand in hand.

Also since the Packers are a better team than the Jets, Rodgers will have more wins.

[bobblehead]

isn't the real question who will win the superbowl when they meet?

[SnakeLH2006]

isn't the real question who will win the superbowl when they meet?

You CAN'T say shit like that. This board will implode with nonsense like that! :lol: OK, It's fucking early, it's possible.

http://defendersoftheplanet.org/Images/NuclearExplosion02.jpg

[SnakeLH2006]

Well, "quarterback rating" has never been Brett's forte, even in his best years his QB rating wasn't particularly high. If Rodgers lives up to the "high percentage passer, no mistakes, game manager" reputation he'll easily beat Favre in QB rating, since "gunslinger" and "high QB rating" don't go hand in hand.

Also since the Packers are a better team than the Jets, Rodgers will have more wins.

1995 Green Bay 16 99.5 359 570 63.0 4413 275.8 7.7 38 13 39 181 11.3 4.6 3 33 217 8 4
1996 Green Bay 16 95.8 325 543 59.9 3899 243.7 7.2 39 13 49 136 8.5 2.8 2 40 241 10 4
1997 Green Bay 16 92.6 304 513 59.3 3867 241.7 7.5 35 16 58 187 11.7 3.2 1 25 176 7 4

Direct reply to the 3 bolds: MVP MVP MVP

[SnakeLH2006]

Well, "quarterback rating" has never been Brett's forte, even in his best years his QB rating wasn't particularly high. If Rodgers lives up to the "high percentage passer, no mistakes, game manager" reputation he'll easily beat Favre in QB rating, since "gunslinger" and "high QB rating" don't go hand in hand.

This thread is about QB stats and wins THIS year, but I guess I have to rehash some stats even though I think 24 year old Arod beats out 39 year Brettie Jettie this year. Brett's QB ratings did correspond to some of his best years or maybe ESPN lies (fuck those liars) LOL, Please get back on topic though, but here goes.

1995 Green Bay 16 99.5 359 570 63.0 4413 275.8 7.7 38 13 39 181 11.3 4.6 3 33 217 8 4
1996 Green Bay 16 95.8 325 543 59.9 3899 243.7 7.2 39 13 49 136 8.5 2.8 2 40 241 10 4
1997 Green Bay 16 92.6 304 513 59.3 3867 241.7 7.5 35 16 58 187 11.7 3.2 1 25 176 7 4

Direct reply to the 3 bolds: MVP MVP MVP
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Am I missing something? :?

[mission]

I officially hate this poster now ...

[SnakeLH2006]

I officially hate this poster now ...

Who me?

[esoxx]

What a great idea for a thread. :roll:

Can't we just let Rodgers play and rise/fall on his own merits while Brett does his thing in NY?

Guess not.

[Lurker64]

Those aren't exceptional numbers, really anything short of three digits is not an exceptional number. Manning was 121.1, 104.1, 101.1 in 2004-2007 (winning an MVP in only one of those years). Brady was 117.2 last year. Donovan McNabb managed 104.7 in 2004. Daunte Culpepper was 110.9 in 2004. Chad Pennington was 104.2 in 2002. Drew Brees was 104.8 in 2004. Ben Roethlisberger was 104.1 in 2007. Carson Palmer was 101.1 in 2005. Vinnie Testaverde was 101.6 in 1998. Kurt Warner was 109.2 in 1999 and 101.4 in 2001. I can go on like this... With the exception of Brady and Manning, none of these guys are in Favre's league, yet they've all cracked three digits for a season and Favre never has. QB rating is not Favre's strong point.

Scores like 92-95 are not exceptional QB ratings. Guys like Trent Green (2004) and Matt Hasselbeck (2005), Marc Bulger (2006), Daunte Culpepper (2000, 2003), Drew Brees (96.2), Ben Roethlisberger (2004-2005), Brian Griese (2004), and Kurt Warner (2000) get these numbers in years where they don't sniff MVP honors or the superbowl.

QB rating was never Favre's strength, he would regularly have a lower rating than other QBs who had inferior seasons.

[mission]

I officially hate this poster now ...

Who me?

Yes. From a posting standpoint.

I'm sure you're a strapping nice, young man but you just press all my annoyance buttons like every day.

The late night used to be mine (and Lurkers) to kind of rumble through posts ... now it's just a barrage of the Snake and Brett Favre Official threads bumps and rants.

[SnakeLH2006]

I officially hate this poster now ...

Who me?

Yes. From a posting standpoint.

I'm sure you're a strapping nice, young man but you just press all my annoyance buttons like every day.

The late night used to be mine (and Lurkers) to kind of rumble through posts ... now it's just a barrage of the Snake and Brett Favre Official threads bumps and rants.

Sorry bro to take over "YOUR" late nite rants, cuz that's when I have a chance to post, so don't go all Ocho Cinco.. Don't read them then I guess. I'm posting up shit for the masses for something interesting as I'm a Pack fan like you and have no alterior motive.

As far as Favre's QB ratings I'm not broadcasting insanely gaudy QB ratings as obviously that has risen since the mid-90's. Get a grip and realize this was a friendly thread comparing Arod to Favre in 2008. You don't like my posts, then don't post, as I'm only trying to get some arguments either way without malice for this year for either QB or this thread. :shock:

And to get this thread back on topic....this has NOTHING to do with Brett's past QB rating, just a friendly comparison with Arod vs. Brett THIS year. I don't give a damn what Brett did in the past regardless of erroneous posters, this is thread is about this year. Who will have the most wins/better rating...there is nothing underlined/imposed with this topic. This is WAS a friendly topic on those two issues so please continue. Damn. :roll:

[mission]

It's hard not to read them.

They are everywhere in excess.

Keep posting though. I know everyone else really enjoys them... it's *only* me.

[SnakeLH2006]

It's hard not to read them.

They are everywhere with quality content more often that not!

Keep posting though cuz my shit is weak and I have nothing better to do than patronize someone smarter than me who has the chance to post up late, as that shit pisses me off. The damn if someone can post later than me cuz my PackerRats niche is fucked...I mean just fucked. WTF do I have to offer. I know everyone else really enjoys them and I look insignificant. :cry:

I'm not here to hate or judge, unlike you. Then quit. Damn, why keep posting? A friendly topic went awry because of your insercurities. You are hardcore tho, yo. Way to keep morale up.

http://legweak.org/teamkillers.jpg

[cpk1994]

It's hard not to read them.

They are everywhere in excess.

Keep posting though. I know everyone else really enjoys them... it's *only* me.Its not only you.

[vince]

It's hard not to read them.

They are everywhere in excess.

Keep posting though. I know everyone else really enjoys them... it's *only* me.Its not only you.
Deece post dude man bro yo. Pwnage!

[The Gunshooter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rovdLR94-L8

[LL2]

Where's the stat comparison between the two today? I'm curious to see Rodgers QB rating after the first two games.

[SnakeLH2006]

Where's the stat comparison between the two today? I'm curious to see Rodgers QB rating after the first two games.

Here's the ongoing update after week 2:

Rodgers (2-0):

SPLIT CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2008 42 60 506 70.0 8.43 62 4 0 1 117.8
Projected 336 480 4048 70.0 8.43 62 32 0 8 117.8

Favre (1-1):

SPLIT CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2008 33 48 375 68.8 7.81 56 3 1 5 104.1
Projected 264 384 3000 68.8 7.81 56 24 8 40 104.1

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Perhaps the most surprising stats is the sacks IMO.

Rodgers has been lights out thus far, but his sacks have really been a testament to his O-Line doing well and his elusiveness. Favre has looked pretty rusty in the pocket at times as I've seen all 4 games thus far.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Rodgers has been lights out thus far, but his sacks have really been a testament to his O-Line doing well and his elusiveness.

The first game? Yes. The second game? They didn't play that well, and Rodgers bailed them out on a number of plays.

[SnakeLH2006]

Rodgers has been lights out thus far, but his sacks have really been a testament to his O-Line doing well and his elusiveness.

The first game? Yes. The second game? They didn't play that well, and Rodgers bailed them out on a number of plays.

Thus they did well in the last game, but his elusiveness did him better to get a better play.

[SnakeLH2006]

Back from popular demand...Here's the stats from 4 games thus far as I like Arod and hope he starts and like Favre no matter where he plays. What a stud game last week though. Here's the stats going into Week 5:

Rodgers (2-2):

2008 78 126 961 61.9 7.63 62 6 3 9 91.4
Projected 312 504 3844 61.9 7.63 62 24 12 36 91.4

Brett the Jet (2-2):

2008 87 124 935 70.2 7.54 56 12 4 10 110.8
Projected 348 496 3740 70.2 7.54 56 48 16 40 110.8

My take:

Interesting stuff not meant to spur animosity towards the Arod faction vs. the Favre faction as I support both, yet we can assume Brett stays healthy and throws for 30 TD's at least with a good QB rating. Even if Arod stays healthy my guess is that D-coordinators have a grasp of Arod on film now and we need Grant to do SOMETHING despite the shoddy O-Line play else his rating drops more. Favre is unpredictable as all hell in a good way, thus throwing 6 TD's being on the cusp of 39 with a bum ankle in a foreign offense. Pretty good for an old dude with a saggy butt, eh JH? :lol:

[MOBB DEEP]

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[packerbacker1234]

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Well, the statistics now will be a little off until AR has his buy week.

Then, it will be back on track for comparisons. While I think it is pointless to compare, is the two players I like and it's just like anything. Why every season did I compare Favre's numbers to Brady/Manning? Because it's interesting to look at. Naturally, a 16 starter for us starting for another team is going to draw people's intrest in stat comparisons.

[Pacopete4]

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Well, the statistics now will be a little off until AR has his buy week.

Then, it will be back on track for comparisons. While I think it is pointless to compare, is the two players I like and it's just like anything. Why every season did I compare Favre's numbers to Brady/Manning? Because it's interesting to look at. Naturally, a 16 starter for us starting for another team is going to draw people's intrest in stat comparisons.


Games Played
Rodgers 5
Favre 4


Touchdowns
Favre 12
Rodgers 9

[MOBB DEEP]

wasnt rodgers leading in yards even before yesterday though??

[Partial]

Stats don't tell the whole story. Favre had 2 good games and 2 bad games. Rodgers had 2 good games, 1 alright game, and 2 bad games.

[MOBB DEEP]

Stats don't tell the whole story. Favre had 2 good games and 2 bad games. Rodgers had 2 good games, 1 alright game, and 2 bad games.

thats subjective tho parsh

[SnakeLH2006]

Stats don't tell the whole story. Favre had 2 good games and 2 bad games. Rodgers had 2 good games, 1 alright game, and 2 bad games.

I dunno about that.

Favre Ratings by Week:

1) 125.9
2) 85.6
3) 92.5
4) 123.7

Rodgers Ratings by Week:

1) 115.5
2) 117.0
3) 80.1
4) 55.9
5) 109.4

My take:

In 2008 QB ratings are up vs. 10 years ago. Anything below 80 is a bad game nowadays. 80-85 is ok. 85-95 is pretty good. 95 plus is great....Meaning Favre has had 2 great games and 2 pretty good. Arod has had 3 great, 1 ok, and one very bad games.

To date Favre's rating is now 110.8 and Arod's rating is currently 95.5 as I'll hold off stat comparisons until the games even up as it's 5-4 right now.

All things considered, Arod has exceeded my expectations as has Favre. Who's more surprising right now though? My thoughts are Favre playing this well for a "supposedly" less talented team and getting in a groove, vs. Arod doing pretty good in a system he knows. I'd rather have Favre at this point though, but it's a long season.

[SnakeLH2006]

Wow...been some time, but time to bring this one back obviously.:shock:

Snakes' Take:

I'm glad we got Arod for many years, and/but haven't been stirring it up but this proves Brett makes a winner (13-3 last year vs. 5-6 this year with the Pack) or (4-12 last year and NEVER sniffing success to 8-3 and many votegetters choice as the team to beat in the AFC currently):

Here's the latest stats:

WEEK OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RAT ATT YDS AVG TD
1 @MIA W 20-14 15 22 194 68.2 56 2 0 125.9 3 2 0.7 0
2 NE L 19-10 18 26 181 69.2 54 1 1 85.6 2 6 3.0 0
3 @SD L 48-29 30 42 271 71.4 41 3 2 92.5 2 5 2.5 0
4 ARI W 56-35 24 34 289 70.6 40 6 1 123.7 0 0 0.0 0
5 Bye Week
6 CIN W 26-14 25 33 189 75.8 29 1 2 73.9 1 -1 -1.0 0
7 @OAK L 16-13 (OT) 21 38 197 55.3 31 0 2 47.8 2 5 2.5 0
8 KC W 28-24 28 40 290 70.0 24 2 3 76.0 1 -1 -1.0 0
9 @BUF W 26-17 19 28 201 67.9 40 0 1 73.7 3 -2 -0.7 0
10 STL W 47-3 14 19 167 73.7 54 1 0 117.7 1 0 0.0 0
11 @NE W 34-31 (OT) 26 33 258 78.8 46 2 0 119.4 3 1 0.3 0
12 @TEN W 34-13 25 32 224 78.1 25 2 1 103.6 1 -1 -1.0 0

ARod:

WEEK OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RAT ATT YDS AVG TD
1 MIN W 24-19 18 22 178 81.8 56 1 0 115.5 8 35 4.4 1
2 @DET W 48-25 24 38 328 63.2 62 3 0 117.0 4 25 6.3 0
3 DAL L 27-16 22 39 290 56.4 50 0 0 80.1 5 10 2.0 1
4 @TB L 30-21 14 27 165 51.9 48 2 3 55.9 2 8 4.0 0
5 ATL L 27-24 25 37 313 67.6 44 3 1 109.4 2 4 2.0 0
6 @SEA W 27-17 21 30 208 70.0 45 2 0 111.5 6 23 3.8 1
7 IND W 34-14 21 28 186 75.0 24 1 0 104.2 3 8 2.7 0
8 Bye Week
9 @TEN L 19-16 (OT) 22 41 314 53.7 52 1 1 76.7 2 11 5.5 0
10 @MIN L 28-27 15 26 142 57.7 19 0 0 72.9 1 1 1.0 0
11 CHI W 37-3 23 30 227 76.7 29 2 1 105.8 1 1 1.0 0
12 @NO L 51-29 23 41 248 56.1 29 2 3 59.8 8 36 4.5 1

Snake's Take

Rodgers has done very well stats wise, but after seeing EVERY game of the Packers and Jets..Favre's "IT" factor is over the roof and he does enough even in a BAD stat game to win..Arod does stats, but not enough to win sometimes. Product of the team, all things even, the LEGEND keeps it AMAZING and makes a nondescript 4-12 team in 2007, 8-3 and the class of the AFC...We got lots of problems, and ARod stat wise has been good, but DAMN if he takes NO chances to WIN a game. I'd take similar stats (as stats are moot.....even ya Favre haters know he wins game cuz he's football smart)) but Favre wins hands down. He's vindictive, callous, but overalll a HUGE team player who WINS!!

Go Brett. He just does it 17/18 years is all (with that shitty 4-12 Shermy campaign to salt it up) Get used to being without him as I never get the feeling (or results) in Arod's campaign...I like him, but Damn NEVER EVER get the feeling we WILL win with him late (takes no chances EVER). Stats are whoreish...

Brettt will go down as one of the top 5 QB's, but if he wins at 39 a SuperBowl and damn if I ain't rooting for him, as maybe the best clutch QB EVER (as Montana had a D and O weapons)...how does Brett do it at his age with a new team/system? No one knows? STATS are good, but fuck it, I sitll love watching that mofo. 8-)

[bobblehead]

I'm glad we got Arod for many years, and/but haven't been stirring it up but this proves Brett makes a winner (13-3 last year vs. 5-6 this year with the Pack) or (4-12 last year and NEVER sniffing success to 8-3 and many votegetters choice as the team to beat in the AFC currently):



I think one losing season in his career proves that brett makes a winner. I think the revamped jets prove no such thing. Pennington went to Miami and they are winning games after being worst in the NFL.

I've said all along that ARod will not likely ever be Brett....so what? Big fucking deal. Brett retired, then he wanted to play for minnesota. Then he didn't know what he wanted. He was pissed that he was held accountable. He acted like a 5 year old. Big deal he is better than Arod right now and that arod won't likely have the career brett did. Next year Brett will likely be retired, or not, or will, or not, or will. But he definately is on his last legs. 3 years from now brett will certainly not win as many games as arod (being he will retire). The time to make a change was now, before bretts little act infected an entire organization.

Everyone is jumping off a cliff because our DL has been pretty shitty, so don't tell me brett would have won us a superbowl this season either.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

I think everyone forgets the most important thing to look at when comparing these two. Favre is a first ballot hall-of-famer with 3 MVPs, and 17 years of "game" experienece, of course he has the "IT" factor. Rodgers is essentially a first year starter with 11 games of experience, and so far to even be mentioned in the same sentence as Favre and quaterback is an accomplishment. I also have no doubt Rodgers will have a good career, certainly a couple of probowls. The debate of these two being on the same level at this point in time is completely asinine.

That being said, I miss the weekly updates for QB ratings between the two and the NFC North QB race as well(think Rastak just missed it this week), even though the numbers essentially mean nothing when you don't factor in all the other variables.

[Rastak]

I think everyone forgets the most important thing to look at when comparing these two. Favre is a first ballot hall-of-famer with 3 MVPs, and 17 years of "game" experienece, of course he has the "IT" factor. Rodgers is essentially a first year starter with 11 games of experience, and so far to even be mentioned in the same sentence as Favre and quaterback is an accomplishment. I also have no doubt Rodgers will have a good career, certainly a couple of probowls. The debate of these two being on the same level at this point in time is completely asinine.

That being said, I miss the weekly updates for QB ratings between the two and the NFC North QB race as well(think Rastak just missed it this week), even though the numbers essentially mean nothing when you don't factor in all the other variables.



opps, sorry......I'll get on it right away.

[Oldwis]

I've said all along that ARod will not likely ever be Brett....so what? Big fucking deal.

The main difference between the young Brett and the young Aaron is personality. Brett was fun, gutsy, emotional. Aaron is cold, private and has a permanent sneer. Aaron brings no personal chemistry to GB and I predict he will be gone in a couple years. You win with leadership and heart; not with technique by itself.

Cordially,

Old Wis

[cpk1994]

I've said all along that ARod will not likely ever be Brett....so what? Big fucking deal.

The main difference between the young Brett and the young Aaron is personality. Brett was fun, gutsy, emotional. Aaron is cold, private and has a permanent sneer. Aaron brings no personal chemistry to GB and I predict he will be gone in a couple years. You win with leadership and heart; not with technique by itself.

Cordially,

Old WisHOw do you knjow. Have you been in the locker room? From all comments, it is the exact opposite from Aaron. He has good chemistry with his teamates, especially the younger ones.

[denverYooper]

I've said all along that ARod will not likely ever be Brett....so what? Big fucking deal.

The main difference between the young Brett and the young Aaron is personality. Brett was fun, gutsy, emotional. Aaron is cold, private and has a permanent sneer. Aaron brings no personal chemistry to GB and I predict he will be gone in a couple years. You win with leadership and heart; not with technique by itself.

Cordially,

Old Wis

Jeez dude, you make him sound like an old timey villain with that permanent sneer.

I saw a pretty gutsy endzone dive last week.