Michael Savage

[LL2]

Anyone listen to this guy?

http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/

I started to recently. He can be critical of the Republicans and Democrats. Like most talk show host he's full of himself to a certain extent, at the same time I think he's right on a lot.

[texaspackerbacker]

What some of these guys--including Savage--lack is PRAGMATISM.

Follow their message and advice, and we will be ideologically pure, but perpetually, on the outside looking in. Several conservatives in this forum and others I've been in are the same way.

George W. Bush was not my first choice in 2000; McCain was not my first choice this year. However, PRAGMATICALLY SPEAKING, both of them gave us--good normal America-loving Americans--the best chance to win. Consider the alternatives--the extreme leftist anti-American pro-socialist alternatives--that obviously, Gore and Obama were, it would have been/is LUDICROUS to NOT support the Republican candidate.

The left and the leftist mainstream media have made an all out assault on the Bush record, pushing the bogus crap about how bad off we are, etc.

Well, I'm here to tell you--and I'd sure like to see some of your more ideologuish conservatives dispute it, WE WOULD BE A THOUSAND TIMES WORSE OFF WITH GORE, KERRY, OBAMA--any of these ........ sorry, I can't think of a better word than ASSHOLES ..... in office.

Issue #1--by a wide margin: preventing terrorism in America: The policies of any/all of these extreme leftists would have clearly left us WIDE OPEN for repeats of 9/11. The ........ ASSHOLES .......what else is there to call them? ........ have actively opposed ALL of the measures that have been so successful at protecting America--both in the area of interventionist/military strategies and in the area of internal security.

Issue #2--the Economy: The leftists have blatantly demagoguerd this issue, yet they, here too, have OPPOSED the very policies that have mitigated the glaring negative factor--the horrendous effects of 9/11. The simple fact is that with a Gore presidency and without the Bush tax cuts THIS COUNTRY WOULD HAVE BEEN REDUCED TO THIRD WORLD STATUS AFTER 9/11, and Gore the ........ there's that word again, ASSHOLE ....... would have reveled in that reduction of our lifestyle, pushing his sick anti-American socialist and wacko environmentalist agenda. I dare ANYBODY here to deny that--lame leftists OR good-hearted, but naive conservative idealists.

[texaspackerbacker]

oops. Sorry for the double post. It was worth say twice, though.

What some of these guys--including Savage--lack is PRAGMATISM.

Follow their message and advice, and we will be ideologically pure, but perpetually, on the outside looking in. Several conservatives in this forum and others I've been in are the same way.

George W. Bush was not my first choice in 2000; McCain was not my first choice this year. However, PRAGMATICALLY SPEAKING, both of them gave us--good normal America-loving Americans--the best chance to win. Consider the alternatives--the extreme leftist anti-American pro-socialist alternatives--that obviously, Gore and Obama were, it would have been/is LUDICROUS to NOT support the Republican candidate.

The left and the leftist mainstream media have made an all out assault on the Bush record, pushing the bogus crap about how bad off we are, etc.

Well, I'm here to tell you--and I'd sure like to see some of your more ideologuish conservatives dispute it, WE WOULD BE A THOUSAND TIMES WORSE OFF WITH GORE, KERRY, OBAMA--any of these ........ sorry, I can't think of a better word than ASSHOLES ..... in office.

Issue #1--by a wide margin: preventing terrorism in America: The policies of any/all of these extreme leftists would have clearly left us WIDE OPEN for repeats of 9/11. The ........ ASSHOLES .......what else is there to call them? ........ have actively opposed ALL of the measures that have been so successful at protecting America--both in the area of interventionist/military strategies and in the area of internal security.

Issue #2--the Economy: The leftists have blatantly demagoguerd this issue, yet they, here too, have OPPOSED the very policies that have mitigated the glaring negative factor--the horrendous effects of 9/11. The simple fact is that with a Gore presidency and without the Bush tax cuts THIS COUNTRY WOULD HAVE BEEN REDUCED TO THIRD WORLD STATUS AFTER 9/11, and Gore the ........ there's that word again, ASSHOLE ....... would have reveled in that reduction of our lifestyle, pushing his sick anti-American socialist and wacko environmentalist agenda. I dare ANYBODY here to deny that--lame leftists OR good-hearted, but naive conservative idealists.

[Kiwon]

Anyone listen to this guy?

http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/

I started to recently. He can be critical of the Republicans and Democrats. Like most talk show host he's full of himself to a certain extent, at the same time I think he's right on a lot.

I'm not a big Savage fan.

He's popular (#3 in Talk Radio after Rush and Sean Hannity), but he's too mean-spirited for me. He's got some guts and not afraid of confrontation, but lacks the humor of others to balance things off.

In general, I find that solid conservative hosts are quick to criticize either Democrats or Republicans. To them, Conservative ideology comes before party affiliation.

Savage has a long history and you can easily find info on him. He's got some good points, but I personally don't care much for his style.

[TheCheese]

What some of these guys--including Savage--lack is PRAGMATISM.

Follow their message and advice, and we will be ideologically pure, but perpetually, on the outside looking in. Several conservatives in this forum and others I've been in are the same way.

George W. Bush was not my first choice in 2000; McCain was not my first choice this year. However, PRAGMATICALLY SPEAKING, both of them gave us--good normal America-loving Americans--the best chance to win. Consider the alternatives--the extreme leftist anti-American pro-socialist alternatives--that obviously, Gore and Obama were, it would have been/is LUDICROUS to NOT support the Republican candidate.

The left and the leftist mainstream media have made an all out assault on the Bush record, pushing the bogus crap about how bad off we are, etc.

Well, I'm here to tell you--and I'd sure like to see some of your more ideologuish conservatives dispute it, WE WOULD BE A THOUSAND TIMES WORSE OFF WITH GORE, KERRY, OBAMA--any of these ........ sorry, I can't think of a better word than ASSHOLES ..... in office.

Issue #1--by a wide margin: preventing terrorism in America: The policies of any/all of these extreme leftists would have clearly left us WIDE OPEN for repeats of 9/11. The ........ ASSHOLES .......what else is there to call them? ........ have actively opposed ALL of the measures that have been so successful at protecting America--both in the area of interventionist/military strategies and in the area of internal security.

Issue #2--the Economy: The leftists have blatantly demagoguerd this issue, yet they, here too, have OPPOSED the very policies that have mitigated the glaring negative factor--the horrendous effects of 9/11. The simple fact is that with a Gore presidency and without the Bush tax cuts THIS COUNTRY WOULD HAVE BEEN REDUCED TO THIRD WORLD STATUS AFTER 9/11, and Gore the ........ there's that word again, ASSHOLE ....... would have reveled in that reduction of our lifestyle, pushing his sick anti-American socialist and wacko environmentalist agenda. I dare ANYBODY here to deny that--lame leftists OR good-hearted, but naive conservative idealists.

Savage is very Pragmatic. Have you ever listened to them? He thinks both candidates aren't very good, however, he has stated over and over that when it comes to the choice it is a very easy one, vote for MCcain. He really disliked Obama and has a very good point that Obama is running to be the most important position in the United States however he would not be able to pass a background investigation to be in the FBI because of prior relationships with suspect characters.

Savage is my favorite radio personality because out of all of them hes the most real. And he just doesn't talk about politics either, he goes into everything in life and hes very insightful and knowledgeable; a lot of shit you can learn from.

[swede]

Savage isn't conservative.

He's in love with himself and he lives in a paranoid fantasy world in which he is the holy vessel containing all Truth and Wisdom.

I consistently tune him out.

For that matter, I can barely stand Hannity for some of the same reasons, although he, at least, is philosophically a consistent conservative.

Dennis Miller is the most entertaining and fair-minded voice in talk radio.

[Harlan Huckleby]

He can be critical of the Republicans and Democrats.

ya, critical of the Republicans for being too left wing. :lol: Michael Savage is an extreme idealogue.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Savage isn't conservative.

He's in love with himself and he lives in a paranoid fantasy world in which he is the holy vessel containing all Truth and Wisdom.

I consistently tune him out.

For that matter, I can barely stand Hannity for some of the same reasons, although he, at least, is philosophically a consistent conservative.

Dennis Miller is the most entertaining and fair-minded voice in talk radio.

I pretty much agree..though I dont' find Miller entertaining at all...and I use to think he was a god.

I think Ms. Huffington hit the nail on the head when she warned him about becoming this generation's Sammy.

[swede]

Dennis Miller is the most entertaining and fair-minded voice in talk radio.

I pretty much agree..though I dont' find Miller entertaining at all...and I use to think he was a god.

I think Ms. Huffington hit the nail on the head when she warned him about becoming this generation's Sammy.

I guess comedians and humorists that swing too far away from center (wherever THAT is these days :lol:) are gonna lose half their audience.

Jon Stewart doesn't do it for me, Colbert is a clone, and Bill Maher is a crude unfunny prick.

Leno holds the center as well as anyone in the arena of political humor.

I miss the Smothers Brothers.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Dennis Miller is the most entertaining and fair-minded voice in talk radio.

I pretty much agree..though I dont' find Miller entertaining at all...and I use to think he was a god.

I think Ms. Huffington hit the nail on the head when she warned him about becoming this generation's Sammy.

I guess comedians and humorists that swing too far away from center (wherever THAT is these days :lol:) are gonna lose half their audience.

Jon Stewart doesn't do it for me, Colbert is a clone, and Bill Maher is a crude unfunny prick.

Leno holds the center as well as anyone in the arena of political humor.

I miss the Smothers Brothers.

I just dont' find him funny. I use to worship him, was a huge fan...and was in his corner when he got MNF...and still thought he deserved a longer shot.

Stewart: I think he is funny. He goes after both sides...and he hasn't been unafraid to have Newt, Mac, etc. on the show. But, i think his correspondents make the show.

Colbert: Clone? Of course he is...he is satirizing O'reilly. AFter awhile..the joke kinda wears thin....as does O'reilly.

Leno: I've always thought he was funny, though i was more of letterman guy...and am firmly in the O'brien camp.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I miss the Smothers Brothers.

Bravo!

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I miss the Smothers Brothers.

Bravo!

Certainly no Edgar Bergen!

[Freak Out]

I listened to the guy for about 15 minutes while driving once. Seemed like a fucking wacko in that brief time.

[texaspackerbacker]

What some of these guys--including Savage--lack is PRAGMATISM.

Follow their message and advice, and we will be ideologically pure, but perpetually, on the outside looking in. Several conservatives in this forum and others I've been in are the same way.

George W. Bush was not my first choice in 2000; McCain was not my first choice this year. However, PRAGMATICALLY SPEAKING, both of them gave us--good normal America-loving Americans--the best chance to win. Consider the alternatives--the extreme leftist anti-American pro-socialist alternatives--that obviously, Gore and Obama were, it would have been/is LUDICROUS to NOT support the Republican candidate.

The left and the leftist mainstream media have made an all out assault on the Bush record, pushing the bogus crap about how bad off we are, etc.

Well, I'm here to tell you--and I'd sure like to see some of your more ideologuish conservatives dispute it, WE WOULD BE A THOUSAND TIMES WORSE OFF WITH GORE, KERRY, OBAMA--any of these ........ sorry, I can't think of a better word than ASSHOLES ..... in office.

Issue #1--by a wide margin: preventing terrorism in America: The policies of any/all of these extreme leftists would have clearly left us WIDE OPEN for repeats of 9/11. The ........ ASSHOLES .......what else is there to call them? ........ have actively opposed ALL of the measures that have been so successful at protecting America--both in the area of interventionist/military strategies and in the area of internal security.

Issue #2--the Economy: The leftists have blatantly demagoguerd this issue, yet they, here too, have OPPOSED the very policies that have mitigated the glaring negative factor--the horrendous effects of 9/11. The simple fact is that with a Gore presidency and without the Bush tax cuts THIS COUNTRY WOULD HAVE BEEN REDUCED TO THIRD WORLD STATUS AFTER 9/11, and Gore the ........ there's that word again, ASSHOLE ....... would have reveled in that reduction of our lifestyle, pushing his sick anti-American socialist and wacko environmentalist agenda. I dare ANYBODY here to deny that--lame leftists OR good-hearted, but naive conservative idealists.

Savage is very Pragmatic. Have you ever listened to them? He thinks both candidates aren't very good, however, he has stated over and over that when it comes to the choice it is a very easy one, vote for MCcain. He really disliked Obama and has a very good point that Obama is running to be the most important position in the United States however he would not be able to pass a background investigation to be in the FBI because of prior relationships with suspect characters.

Savage is my favorite radio personality because out of all of them hes the most real. And he just doesn't talk about politics either, he goes into everything in life and hes very insightful and knowledgeable; a lot of shit you can learn from.

I've heard of him, but not actually heard him. I don't think he's on down here. I'm glad to hear about the pragmatism thing, because it sounds like he might actually have some influence among certain types of conservatives who potentially could be drawn away from the bottom line: KEEP THE EXTREME LEFT OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE FOR THE GOOD OF AMERICA--and Obama is about as extreme left as they get.

[TheCheese]

Savage isn't conservative.

He's in love with himself and he lives in a paranoid fantasy world in which he is the holy vessel containing all Truth and Wisdom.

I consistently tune him out.

For that matter, I can barely stand Hannity for some of the same reasons, although he, at least, is philosophically a consistent conservative.

Dennis Miller is the most entertaining and fair-minded voice in talk radio.

Ok, I'll bite, explain to me how Savage is not a conservative.

And talking about other guys, ole Glenn Beck is always entertaining to listen to when it comes to political commentary. And as for late night hosts, Craig Ferguson is by far the best one. The dude comes up with so much wit off the top of his head, he just out shines the other hosts. And this is coming from a huge Obrien fan.

[sooner6600]

Savge is ok in my book.
Book; Liberalism is a mental disorder
The enemy within
The political zoo.

He is publishing a new one and it outsells
Madam Pelosi's book.

Savge at late night reminds me of the one time tv
host Howard Payne

Come on Tex; this gug had the beef box.
What is his real name?

[texaspackerbacker]

A favorite thing for different varieties of conservative to call each other is NOT conservative. It all has to do with emphasis.

Some of us are strongly for American power and dominance; Some of us emphasize morality and social issues--opposing abortion, gay agenda, moving toward other forms of depravity; Some value personal freedom above all else--including security and morality; Some conservatives emphasize the economic aspect--and even there, there are two distinct sub-groups: those of us emphasizing tax cutting as a panacea for virtually every ill, and those who are more concerned with fiscal responsibility.

All of us see ourselves as the best examples and warriors in the most important aspect of the ideological battle. The fact is, though, we ALL are for and against pretty much the same things--just in different orders of importance.

Welcome back, Sooner. You should stop by more often. Like I said, I don't directly know that much about Savage. I stick with Rush and Hannity, though, for conservatism as a hole--even though some other "as a holes" are OK too.

[sooner6600]

Oh yah; the new book is Psycholigical Nudity.
It is a rifff from his canned opening program content.

Its such a pleasure to listed to him on my way to swab the
flush toilets at the casino in Thackerville.

Yep; Kohler and Bay West paper and Bemis toilet seats.
Gawd am I homesick.

[sooner6600]

Tex;l

Thanks for the nice note.

You are not the extreemest.

As Rush said in todays broadcast; the social enginerrs; the
anti american maxist left (the big O)are the extreemists!!!!!!

- - - - - - -

Wonder if the big 0 is going to replace the stars with
little Lennin Heads on the new flag?

Thoughts anyone??????????????????

[Zool]

http://www.osorhan.com/bigo/00.gif

[mraynrand]

I like listening to Savage - in limited doses. I've said before he's like a cross between Howard Beale ("I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!") and Jonathan Swift. Very caustic, approaches lunacy with some of his rants, but still very smart and witty.

He recently got canned from a number of stations for saying that autism was over-diagnosed and one of the reasons was that parents were being lazy. He had a similar take on medication for ADD and ADHD, calling the drugging of young boys 'child abuse.' Talking to psychiatrists who work with young boys being medicated, the fact is that Savage is right - boys are being over-medicated, and it's typically because they are discipline problems in school and the teachers are either overwhelmed, too lazy, or unable to provide other outlets/responses (recess canceled, for example, can't do basic discipline for fear of arrest, etc.), parents are overwhelmed and/or non-existent, or psychs are pill-pushers. So Savage gets things right, but his presentation earns him love/hate viewpoints.

Savage is a lot like Coulter - he has strong opinions, he rants (emotes), and sometimes he goes so far as to make himself a target - and once that happens, no one will listen to a rational argument about the subject - you just get angry emoting in return.

BTW, Ty, I agree on Miller. Was funny as hell once. Was even very funny at first on MNF - then he pulled back and stopped negatively critiquing players. The worst was Al Michaels trying to matchs quips - he just couldn't do it. Have never heard Miller on radio - he is so-so on appearances in O'Reilly (or as Savage calls him: "The Leprechaun").

[Harlan Huckleby]

And as for late night hosts, Craig Ferguson is by far the best one. The dude comes up with so much wit off the top of his head, he just out shines the other hosts. And this is coming from a huge Obrien fan.

I agree Ferguson is the most clever of the wee wee hour guys. I do get a little tired of his very long monologues. He is best when interacting with the guests.

[texaspackerbacker]

And as for late night hosts, Craig Ferguson is by far the best one. The dude comes up with so much wit off the top of his head, he just out shines the other hosts. And this is coming from a huge Obrien fan.

I agree Ferguson is the most clever of the wee wee hour guys. I do get a little tired of his very long monologues. He is best when interacting with the guests.

I'll take reruns of Walker Texas Ranger over any of them. This is not a rhetorical question. Is there even a hint of anything other than sick extreme leftist views and attitudes from any of them? The only one I recall seeing is Conan O'Brien, and he's about as far left as it gets.

[swede]

He recently got canned from a number of stations for saying that autism was over-diagnosed and one of the reasons was that parents were being lazy. He had a similar take on medication for ADD and ADHD, calling the drugging of young boys 'child abuse.' Talking to psychiatrists who work with young boys being medicated, the fact is that Savage is right - boys are being over-medicated, and it's typically because they are discipline problems in school and the teachers are either overwhelmed, too lazy, or unable to provide other outlets/responses (recess canceled, for example, can't do basic discipline for fear of arrest, etc.), parents are overwhelmed and/or non-existent, or psychs are pill-pushers. So Savage gets things right, but his presentation earns him love/hate viewpoints.


As Sir John Gielgud once said, "You may be right. On the other hand, go fuck yourself."

Teachers do not prescribe ADHD medication. Physicians do. You may find communities where, for whatever reason, physicians over-prescribe medication for ADHD. Mainstream media urban lore tells of places where 20% of the boys are on meds for ADHD. Please advise me if that's your hometown. It's not mine.

Keep in mind that the medication for ADHD is a mild stimulant. The stimulant, in a truly ADHD child, wakes up the part of the brain that is responsible for focus and impulse control. For some children, the change is nearly miraculous.

I have three boys with a diagnosis of ADHD. That's a lot. I only had one last year and none the year before.

One is the classic case: slight, blonde, bright, imaginative and unable to follow social rules or complete tasks. Because he suffered rather severe side effects from the medication his mother has taken him off them. I support her in this. It's her kid. She gave it a shot. It worked, but the child had headaches and stomachaches that broke her heart to have to see him bear. Lucky for him he's a bright kid. Lucky for him I know how to set him up for success within that odd little world. Unfortunately for the rest of the kids, his constant noise, motion, and violations of common societal rules make it tough on them. Their classroom is that much less efficient and pleasant.

A second boy probably has been misdiagnosed IMO. Remember that the diagnosis for ADHD amounts to a quiz given to the parent, the teacher, and the child. A profile that suggests hyperactivity, poor social skills, and a lack of focus may not be caused by ADHD at all. In this case, I think the child has some significant visual/perception/ motor/language issues that make it difficult to sort out his world. His mother has foregone medication for an herbal approach to the problem which is just as well. Medication can't solve ADHD symptoms in a child whose brain isn't underactive in region which seems to cause the associated problems.

The third boy is never on his meds because his mom, in outpatient treatment for meth addiction, had begun either using them or selling them. I communicated the problem to the physician. The physician told the mother the medication would be dispensed at school. The mother then withdrew consent. Apparently, if she can't have them, nobody can. The child went from a happy, productive boy a few weeks ago to one who lashes out and is made angry by an inability to control his own life.

I'd appreciate it if people would step back from this popular notion that ADHD does not exist or can't be controlled by psychostimulant therapy simply because it may happen to be true that it is occasionally diagnosed incorrectly. If your own direct experience involves a "lazy" teacher shoving a drug into a child so the teacher doesn't have to do any work I'd be fascinated by the story.

[LL2]

I actually heard the show on autism and thought it was pretty good. Savage was basically saying doctors are often too quick to label a kid autistic and put them on medicine. He said based on the questionnaire and observation sheet that pediatrician’s use even he would've been labeled autistic. I agreed with the many statements he made about doctors and medicine on that show. My wife and I personally do not, nor have we had or kids vaccinated. We believe that vaccines are harmful, and there is no reason kids should be given them. We are the most drugged up country in the world. We tell others about our position on vaccines and medicine, but recommend that people should do their own research. Our family doctor is great, as he provides medicine only if they are necessary and only until the symptom is taken care of.

Here's some good link on vaccines and medicine.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/01/12/the-film-about-vaccines-you-must-see.aspx

Do a Google search on Dr. Nemec, Dr. Mercola, or even read Kevin Trudeau's books on natural cures. Dr. Nemec and Dr. Mercola are from the Chicago area. Some may now think I'm nutty, but far too many people do not do research on what the doctor gives them and think it's fine to take medicines for life. We also buy organic fruits and vegetables, buy all-natural cleaning products to help keep chemicals out of the house, and try to be environmentally conscious.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Trudeau? :oops:

Dude, you have officially become a wackadoodle.

which book should i be reading of his..the natural cures or his debt solutions. :roll:

I always take advice from a convicted felon..on charges of fraud and larceny. Someone who the FTC has sued and won numerous times. A guy who currently is prohibited by the courts from selling or promoting any product or service..which he skirts by selling books.

Those interested...stossel exposes this hack:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN5ihrECJms

or Salon

http://dir.salon.com/story/books/feature/2005/07/29/trudeau/

And, if you haven't immunized your kids....well, the herd needs thinning.

[mraynrand]

He recently got canned from a number of stations for saying that autism was over-diagnosed and one of the reasons was that parents were being lazy. He had a similar take on medication for ADD and ADHD, calling the drugging of young boys 'child abuse.' Talking to psychiatrists who work with young boys being medicated, the fact is that Savage is right - boys are being over-medicated, and it's typically because they are discipline problems in school and the teachers are either overwhelmed, too lazy, or unable to provide other outlets/responses (recess canceled, for example, can't do basic discipline for fear of arrest, etc.), parents are overwhelmed and/or non-existent, or psychs are pill-pushers. So Savage gets things right, but his presentation earns him love/hate viewpoints.


As Sir John Gielgud once said, "You may be right. On the other hand, go fuck yourself."

I wrote out a long response detailing several items you raised, then I saw the above. If you actually want a civil response, then write in a civil manner. It seems to have been your way overwhelmingly in the past. Otherwise, you can take Gielgud's advice.

[TheCheese]

And as for late night hosts, Craig Ferguson is by far the best one. The dude comes up with so much wit off the top of his head, he just out shines the other hosts. And this is coming from a huge Obrien fan.

I agree Ferguson is the most clever of the wee wee hour guys. I do get a little tired of his very long monologues. He is best when interacting with the guests.

I'll take reruns of Walker Texas Ranger over any of them. This is not a rhetorical question. Is there even a hint of anything other than sick extreme leftist views and attitudes from any of them? The only one I recall seeing is Conan O'Brien, and he's about as far left as it gets.

Really? I have not heard Conan say anything politically on or off the air. What exactly did he say? If he is a huge lefty that's a shame because he seemed to have more common sense than that.

As for the other late night hosts, Jay Leno is a closet conservative. Hes very coy in hiding it but he has admitted it before in the past. Not a huge right wing conservative, but a conservative non the less.

[cpk1994]

I just dont' find him funny. I use to worship him, was a huge fan...and was in his corner when he got MNF...and still thought he deserved a longer shot.

Stewart: I think he is funny. He goes after both sides...and he hasn't been unafraid to have Newt, Mac, etc. on the show. But, i think his correspondents make the show.

Colbert: Clone? Of course he is...he is satirizing O'reilly. AFter awhile..the joke kinda wears thin....as does O'reilly.

Leno: I've always thought he was funny, though i was more of letterman guy...and am firmly in the O'brien camp. I agree about Leno and O'Brien. Its sad that Jay is retiring soon, but great that Conan will be getting the promotion and take his place.

[texaspackerbacker]

And as for late night hosts, Craig Ferguson is by far the best one. The dude comes up with so much wit off the top of his head, he just out shines the other hosts. And this is coming from a huge Obrien fan.

I agree Ferguson is the most clever of the wee wee hour guys. I do get a little tired of his very long monologues. He is best when interacting with the guests.

I'll take reruns of Walker Texas Ranger over any of them. This is not a rhetorical question. Is there even a hint of anything other than sick extreme leftist views and attitudes from any of them? The only one I recall seeing is Conan O'Brien, and he's about as far left as it gets.

Really? I have not heard Conan say anything politically on or off the air. What exactly did he say? If he is a huge lefty that's a shame because he seemed to have more common sense than that.

As for the other late night hosts, Jay Leno is a closet conservative. Hes very coy in hiding it but he has admitted it before in the past. Not a huge right wing conservative, but a conservative non the less.

I agree with you about Leno. He, at worst, is fair and balanced, and maybe even one of the good guys.

As for Conan O'Brien, I recall his show being saturated with Bush-hate and their lame Bush-is-stupid crap. Beyond that, it's just his wimpiness and his disgusting eastern accent and tone. He impresses me as pure scum, but that's just my opinion.

[bobblehead]

Trudeau? :oops:

Dude, you have officially become a wackadoodle.

which book should i be reading of his..the natural cures or his debt solutions. :roll:

I always take advice from a convicted felon..on charges of fraud and larceny. Someone who the FTC has sued and won numerous times. A guy who currently is prohibited by the courts from selling or promoting any product or service..which he skirts by selling books.

Those interested...stossel exposes this hack:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN5ihrECJms

or Salon

http://dir.salon.com/story/books/feature/2005/07/29/trudeau/

And, if you haven't immunized your kids....well, the herd needs thinning.

QFT...trudeau is nothing more than a common crook.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Trudeau? :oops:

Dude, you have officially become a wackadoodle.

which book should i be reading of his..the natural cures or his debt solutions. :roll:

I always take advice from a convicted felon..on charges of fraud and larceny. Someone who the FTC has sued and won numerous times. A guy who currently is prohibited by the courts from selling or promoting any product or service..which he skirts by selling books.

Those interested...stossel exposes this hack:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN5ihrECJms

or Salon

http://dir.salon.com/story/books/feature/2005/07/29/trudeau/

And, if you haven't immunized your kids....well, the herd needs thinning.

QFT...trudeau is nothing more than a common crook.

Let's not insult the man. In the world of crooks he is far from common. He is a genius.

[bobblehead]

He recently got canned from a number of stations for saying that autism was over-diagnosed and one of the reasons was that parents were being lazy. He had a similar take on medication for ADD and ADHD, calling the drugging of young boys 'child abuse.' Talking to psychiatrists who work with young boys being medicated, the fact is that Savage is right - boys are being over-medicated, and it's typically because they are discipline problems in school and the teachers are either overwhelmed, too lazy, or unable to provide other outlets/responses (recess canceled, for example, can't do basic discipline for fear of arrest, etc.), parents are overwhelmed and/or non-existent, or psychs are pill-pushers. So Savage gets things right, but his presentation earns him love/hate viewpoints.


As Sir John Gielgud once said, "You may be right. On the other hand, go fuck yourself."

I wrote out a long response detailing several items you raised, then I saw the above. If you actually want a civil response, then write in a civil manner. It seems to have been your way overwhelmingly in the past. Otherwise, you can take Gielgud's advice.

I think swede was referring to savage, not you. As in savage may make an ACCURATE point, but he is such a cocksucker that its hard to give him any credit. So...it was "go fuck yourself mr. savage". not mr. rand.

[Harlan Huckleby]

So...it was "go fuck yourself mr. savage". not mr. rand.

why not kill two birds with one stone?

[cpk1994]

And as for late night hosts, Craig Ferguson is by far the best one. The dude comes up with so much wit off the top of his head, he just out shines the other hosts. And this is coming from a huge Obrien fan.

I agree Ferguson is the most clever of the wee wee hour guys. I do get a little tired of his very long monologues. He is best when interacting with the guests.

I'll take reruns of Walker Texas Ranger over any of them. This is not a rhetorical question. Is there even a hint of anything other than sick extreme leftist views and attitudes from any of them? The only one I recall seeing is Conan O'Brien, and he's about as far left as it gets.

Really? I have not heard Conan say anything politically on or off the air. What exactly did he say? If he is a huge lefty that's a shame because he seemed to have more common sense than that.

As for the other late night hosts, Jay Leno is a closet conservative. Hes very coy in hiding it but he has admitted it before in the past. Not a huge right wing conservative, but a conservative non the less.

I agree with you about Leno. He, at worst, is fair and balanced, and maybe even one of the good guys.

As for Conan O'Brien, I recall his show being saturated with Bush-hate and their lame Bush-is-stupid crap. Beyond that, it's just his wimpiness and his disgusting eastern accent and tone. He impresses me as pure scum, but that's just my opinion.Now you are letting your conservative bias get in the way of properly judging Conan. If you go back during the Clinton years, you will see that Conan was just as tough on him. I lean conservative and I don't see Bush hate from Conan. What I see is comedy and satire, just as he did to Bill Clinton. If you are taking what Conan does on his show seriously, you have problems.

[texaspackerbacker]

And as for late night hosts, Craig Ferguson is by far the best one. The dude comes up with so much wit off the top of his head, he just out shines the other hosts. And this is coming from a huge Obrien fan.

I agree Ferguson is the most clever of the wee wee hour guys. I do get a little tired of his very long monologues. He is best when interacting with the guests.

I'll take reruns of Walker Texas Ranger over any of them. This is not a rhetorical question. Is there even a hint of anything other than sick extreme leftist views and attitudes from any of them? The only one I recall seeing is Conan O'Brien, and he's about as far left as it gets.

Really? I have not heard Conan say anything politically on or off the air. What exactly did he say? If he is a huge lefty that's a shame because he seemed to have more common sense than that.

As for the other late night hosts, Jay Leno is a closet conservative. Hes very coy in hiding it but he has admitted it before in the past. Not a huge right wing conservative, but a conservative non the less.

I agree with you about Leno. He, at worst, is fair and balanced, and maybe even one of the good guys.

As for Conan O'Brien, I recall his show being saturated with Bush-hate and their lame Bush-is-stupid crap. Beyond that, it's just his wimpiness and his disgusting eastern accent and tone. He impresses me as pure scum, but that's just my opinion.Now you are letting your conservative bias get in the way of properly judging Conan. If you go back during the Clinton years, you will see that Conan was just as tough on him. I lean conservative and I don't see Bush hate from Conan. What I see is comedy and satire, just as he did to Bill Clinton. If you are taking what Conan does on his show seriously, you have problems.

That, my friend, is a GOLDEN EXAMPLE of liberal thinking. It's called MORAL EQUIVALENCY.

Ol' Conan ragged on the TRULY evil and depraved Clinton, the same as he does on Bush--who exuded morality and American values, in addition to being 100% successful in the MOST IMPORTANT arena of all--preventing repeats of 9/11--which easily could have destroyed our whole way of life.

And you, apparently, think that is fair and balanced.

[cpk1994]

And as for late night hosts, Craig Ferguson is by far the best one. The dude comes up with so much wit off the top of his head, he just out shines the other hosts. And this is coming from a huge Obrien fan.

I agree Ferguson is the most clever of the wee wee hour guys. I do get a little tired of his very long monologues. He is best when interacting with the guests.

I'll take reruns of Walker Texas Ranger over any of them. This is not a rhetorical question. Is there even a hint of anything other than sick extreme leftist views and attitudes from any of them? The only one I recall seeing is Conan O'Brien, and he's about as far left as it gets.

Really? I have not heard Conan say anything politically on or off the air. What exactly did he say? If he is a huge lefty that's a shame because he seemed to have more common sense than that.

As for the other late night hosts, Jay Leno is a closet conservative. Hes very coy in hiding it but he has admitted it before in the past. Not a huge right wing conservative, but a conservative non the less.

I agree with you about Leno. He, at worst, is fair and balanced, and maybe even one of the good guys.

As for Conan O'Brien, I recall his show being saturated with Bush-hate and their lame Bush-is-stupid crap. Beyond that, it's just his wimpiness and his disgusting eastern accent and tone. He impresses me as pure scum, but that's just my opinion.Now you are letting your conservative bias get in the way of properly judging Conan. If you go back during the Clinton years, you will see that Conan was just as tough on him. I lean conservative and I don't see Bush hate from Conan. What I see is comedy and satire, just as he did to Bill Clinton. If you are taking what Conan does on his show seriously, you have problems.

That, my friend, is a GOLDEN EXAMPLE of liberal thinking. It's called MORAL EQUIVALENCY.

Ol' Conan ragged on the TRULY evil and depraved Clinton, the same as he does on Bush--who exuded morality and American values, in addition to being 100% successful in the MOST IMPORTANT arena of all--preventing repeats of 9/11--which easily could have destroyed our whole way of life.

And you, apparently, think that is fair and balanced.He is a comedian. He mocks every politician regardless of party. Its called satire. Get your panties unwadded. You give conservatives a bad name.

[mraynrand]

So...it was "go fuck yourself mr. savage". not mr. rand.

why not kill two birds with one stone?

I thought that was your specialty (the former, not the latter).

[cpk1994]

Really? I have not heard Conan say anything politically on or off the air. What exactly did he say? If he is a huge lefty that's a shame because he seemed to have more common sense than that.

As for the other late night hosts, Jay Leno is a closet conservative. Hes very coy in hiding it but he has admitted it before in the past. Not a huge right wing conservative, but a conservative non the less.Conan has never said anything politically. Tex, being the extreme right winger that he is, sees the Bush mocking as hate. He fails to see that Conan mocks all politicians the same. Whether its Clinton, Obama, McCain, Bush etc. While Conan is liberal he is far from the evil lefty that Tex portrays him as.

[texaspackerbacker]

And as for late night hosts, Craig Ferguson is by far the best one. The dude comes up with so much wit off the top of his head, he just out shines the other hosts. And this is coming from a huge Obrien fan.

I agree Ferguson is the most clever of the wee wee hour guys. I do get a little tired of his very long monologues. He is best when interacting with the guests.

I'll take reruns of Walker Texas Ranger over any of them. This is not a rhetorical question. Is there even a hint of anything other than sick extreme leftist views and attitudes from any of them? The only one I recall seeing is Conan O'Brien, and he's about as far left as it gets.

Really? I have not heard Conan say anything politically on or off the air. What exactly did he say? If he is a huge lefty that's a shame because he seemed to have more common sense than that.

As for the other late night hosts, Jay Leno is a closet conservative. Hes very coy in hiding it but he has admitted it before in the past. Not a huge right wing conservative, but a conservative non the less.

I agree with you about Leno. He, at worst, is fair and balanced, and maybe even one of the good guys.

As for Conan O'Brien, I recall his show being saturated with Bush-hate and their lame Bush-is-stupid crap. Beyond that, it's just his wimpiness and his disgusting eastern accent and tone. He impresses me as pure scum, but that's just my opinion.Now you are letting your conservative bias get in the way of properly judging Conan. If you go back during the Clinton years, you will see that Conan was just as tough on him. I lean conservative and I don't see Bush hate from Conan. What I see is comedy and satire, just as he did to Bill Clinton. If you are taking what Conan does on his show seriously, you have problems.

That, my friend, is a GOLDEN EXAMPLE of liberal thinking. It's called MORAL EQUIVALENCY.

Ol' Conan ragged on the TRULY evil and depraved Clinton, the same as he does on Bush--who exuded morality and American values, in addition to being 100% successful in the MOST IMPORTANT arena of all--preventing repeats of 9/11--which easily could have destroyed our whole way of life.

And you, apparently, think that is fair and balanced.He is a comedian. He mocks every politician regardless of party. Its called satire. Get your panties unwadded. You give conservatives a bad name.

Conan O'Brien was and continues to be pretty much the farthest thing from my mind. However, for you to lamely defend his worthless faggy ass by using the classic leftist argument--MORAL EQUIVALENCE of disrespecting Clinton with disrespecting Bush--betrays what a shill for the left O'Brien is.

This is EXACTLY the way the God damned leftist mainstream media turned the hideous multitude of Clinton scandals into a plus for their sick anti-American cause--by portraying Bush as somehow as bad--or to them, worse than Clinton.

Why? Because Bush simply represents all that is good and normal in America--the kind of values and views, the kind of PEOPLE the stinking America-hating assholes of the left HATE so much!

They claim Bush is stupid; Bush can't talk right, etc. Well, did anybody hear Obama this morning taking questions--from media that for the most part ADORES him? After his well scripted speech--teleprompter working this time, HE SOUNDED LIKE A BUMBLING FOOL--ten times worse than Bush ever has sounded, stumbling around, stuttering, etc. Will we see Obama ridiculed by any of these LEFTIST "mere comedians"--especially Conan, whose schtick is supposed to be mocking politicians? Fat chance of that!

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Really? I have not heard Conan say anything politically on or off the air. What exactly did he say? If he is a huge lefty that's a shame because he seemed to have more common sense than that.

As for the other late night hosts, Jay Leno is a closet conservative. Hes very coy in hiding it but he has admitted it before in the past. Not a huge right wing conservative, but a conservative non the less.Conan has never said anything politically. Tex, being the extreme right winger that he is, sees the Bush mocking as hate. He fails to see that Conan mocks all politicians the same. Whether its Clinton, Obama, McCain, Bush etc. While Conan is liberal he is far from the evil lefty that Tex portrays him as.

All liberals are evil..you obviously have been brainwashed into thinking there are decent liberals. You are a tool of the MSM.

[the_idle_threat]

So...it was "go fuck yourself mr. savage". not mr. rand.

why not kill two birds with one stone?

I thought that was your specialty (the former, not the latter).

Not birds ... kittens. :o

[texaspackerbacker]

Really? I have not heard Conan say anything politically on or off the air. What exactly did he say? If he is a huge lefty that's a shame because he seemed to have more common sense than that.

As for the other late night hosts, Jay Leno is a closet conservative. Hes very coy in hiding it but he has admitted it before in the past. Not a huge right wing conservative, but a conservative non the less.Conan has never said anything politically. Tex, being the extreme right winger that he is, sees the Bush mocking as hate. He fails to see that Conan mocks all politicians the same. Whether its Clinton, Obama, McCain, Bush etc. While Conan is liberal he is far from the evil lefty that Tex portrays him as.

cpk, I put this signature at the bottom of my posts for a reason.

If you see ANYTHING I say as "extremist", then kindly have the BALLS and/or BRAINS to articulate specifically what.

America-hating leftist scum--which I haven't seen enough of your posting to positively label you as--yet--tend to see NORMALCY--decent American and/or Christian values and views--as somehow extreme or bad. It's a character flaw of theirs (yours?). It's also a sign of idiocy on their (your?) part.

[cpk1994]

Really? I have not heard Conan say anything politically on or off the air. What exactly did he say? If he is a huge lefty that's a shame because he seemed to have more common sense than that.

As for the other late night hosts, Jay Leno is a closet conservative. Hes very coy in hiding it but he has admitted it before in the past. Not a huge right wing conservative, but a conservative non the less.Conan has never said anything politically. Tex, being the extreme right winger that he is, sees the Bush mocking as hate. He fails to see that Conan mocks all politicians the same. Whether its Clinton, Obama, McCain, Bush etc. While Conan is liberal he is far from the evil lefty that Tex portrays him as.

cpk, I put this signature at the bottom of my posts for a reason.

If you see ANYTHING I say as "extremist", then kindly have the BALLS and/or BRAINS to articulate specifically what.

America-hating leftist scum--which I haven't seen enough of your posting to positively label you as--yet--tend to see NORMALCY--decent American and/or Christian values and views--as somehow extreme or bad. It's a character flaw of theirs (yours?). It's also a sign of idiocy on their (your?) part.I hate to sink your boat, but I am a conservative(if you read my earlier posts in this thread where I stated that before you would know that). You are an extrreme right winger for your views on Tim Russert, which no decent thinking conservative would ever hold. Same deal with Conan O'Brien. Anyone who thinks Conan is a far left loon is extreme right wing also. You want to see true far left loons with Bush hate, go watch Bill Mahar and Dave Letterman. Finally, Im insulted that you would even insinuate that I am a liberal. If you did that to my face Id shove my boot in your ass.

[texaspackerbacker]

Well, I may have been correct in holding back on labeling you America-hating leftist scum. I'm actually going to give you two small victories here.

First of all, you took the extremism challenge, and brought up probably my closest brush with extremism, the Russert thing. I plead guilty to an emotional reaction that was kinda unseemly in verbally dancing on his grave. I do NOT apologize, however, for correctly identifying him as a dangerous agent for the left--dangerous precisely BECAUSE he was subtle enough to hoodwink so many to think he somehow wasn't an extreme leftist.

Secondly, as for Conan O'Brien, I've actually only watched him for a few minutes two or three times. Each time, he was ridiculing Bush--the tired old leftist rant, "Bush is stupid/Bush is a bad speaker"--when the leftist scumbags have somebody running for president who exhibits gross stumbling bumbling poor-speaking stupidity about ten times as much as Bush ever did. Your correct identifying of Maher and Letterman as extreme leftists gives you credibility to the extent that I will allow that you COULD be right about O'Brien. In fact, I'm even beginning to wonder whether I have him confused with Maher.

Enjoy it. That's the closest I ever come to admitting I'm wrong--because, of course, I practically never am wrong. Rush says he's right 98.7% of the time, and my percentage is better than his.

[HowardRoark]

I practically never am wrong. Rush says he's right 98.7% of the time, and my percentage is better than his.

Does liking fake mashed potatoes fall into that 1.3%?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I practically never am wrong. Rush says he's right 98.7% of the time, and my percentage is better than his.

Does liking fake mashed potatoes fall into that 1.3%?

Only america hating liberals like real mashed potatoes. Fake mashed pototoes mean more jobs for mericans. Thus more money to spend.

Fake mashed means a stronger america.

[texaspackerbacker]

I never cease to be amazed--and honored--by the attention you pay to my posts, Tyrone. You did it as OTown, and you are still at it.

Instant mashed potatoes have just as good a taste and a better texture--IMO--than the real thing.

No, that doesn't count toward the 1.0376% (up to the minute total), as it is identified as an opinion. Elitists look down on instant mashed potato eaters. Now there's a fact--part of the 98.9624%.

[falco]

ty was otown? damn

[MJZiggy]

I never cease to be amazed--and honored--by the attention you pay to my posts, Tyrone. You did it as OTown, and you are still at it.

Instant mashed potatoes have just as good a taste and a better texture--IMO--than the real thing.

No, that doesn't count toward the 1.0376% (up to the minute total), as it is identified as an opinion. Elitists look down on instant mashed potato eaters. Now there's a fact--part of the 98.9624%.

I support Idaho farmers. But I don't have near enough money to be considered elitist. And I went to state school so I don't qualify anyway...

[texaspackerbacker]

I never cease to be amazed--and honored--by the attention you pay to my posts, Tyrone. You did it as OTown, and you are still at it.

Instant mashed potatoes have just as good a taste and a better texture--IMO--than the real thing.

No, that doesn't count toward the 1.0376% (up to the minute total), as it is identified as an opinion. Elitists look down on instant mashed potato eaters. Now there's a fact--part of the 98.9624%.

I support Idaho farmers. But I don't have near enough money to be considered elitist. And I went to state school so I don't qualify anyway...

My favorite brand is called "Idahoan".