AL HARRIS OUT FOR SEASON?!!?!?!

[packers11]

www.rotoworld.com

Mike Lombardi of the National Football Post has learned that Packers CB Al Harris could be lost for the season with a ruptured spleen.

This is the same thing that knocked Chris Simms out in 2006. Harris' injury was initially called "cramps," but he had blood in his urine in the first quarter of Sunday night's game. Harris is 33 now, but still arguably one of the NFL's top five cover corners and his loss would be major. His backup at left corner is second-year undrafted free agent Tramon Williams.

Source: National Football Post

[Lurker64]

Damn, I hope this isn't true. If it is, that sucks.

Of course the "could be" language is sort of misleading. Aaron Rodgers "could be" lost for the season with a previously undiagnosed brain tumor, too. Lots of things are possible. My guess is that this just means "ruptured spleen is one of the things they're testing for, and if they find that's what happened, then he will be out for the season." Realistically though, the doctors ought to be testing for everything that could possibly cause blood in the urine that could happen as a result of a blow to the torso.

[Badgerinmaine]

I haven't found anyone else reporting this yet, but wow, that would be a huge blow.

[packers11]

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/2008/09/22/harris-may-miss-rest-of-season.aspx

[SkinBasket]

Didn't someone suggest last week that we just forfeit the Cowboy game? Oh, well, guess it's too late now.

[BF4MVP]

Wow...That really sucks...Tramon Williams is not a starter in this league. Not yet anyway.

[bobblehead]

Well, all the people bad mouthing Harris are going to find out just how valuable he was.

[BF4MVP]

Well, all the people bad mouthing Harris might find out just how valuable he was.
Fixed..Come on man, he hasn't been declared out yet :lol:

Plus I don't think anyone has ever said that they wouldn't much rather have Harris in the lineup than Williams.

[KYPack]

Those spleen injuries are freaky. It's not a direct hit, but a strong blow that twists the player. Just like the lick Hawk accidentally gave Al. I hope not, but yeah, that hit that Al got fits the profile.

They hurt, too. Al is a tough guy, to be sure.

[mission]

Well, all the people bad mouthing Harris are going to find out just how valuable he was.

What do you mean "we are going to find out"

We already found out last night.

It was fucking detrimental ... Tramon Williams is a nickle back right now. Period.

Anyone seen Falco?

[Carolina_Packer]

Wow...That really sucks...Tramon Williams is not a starter in this league. Not yet anyway.

I guess he is now...by default. :cry:

[mraynrand]

Look, it's just a spleen. Now if it were his liver, that would be bad. Hell, if it's the spleen or even a kidney (you've always got the other Kidney), just remove it today, and he should be good to go Sunday at Tampa.

[Charles Woodson]

GREEN BAY, Wis. -- Green Bay Packers cornerback Al Harris was undergoing medical tests Monday amid a report he might have ruptured his spleen in Sunday's loss to the Dallas Cowboys.

The National Football Post, a Web site that lists Harris' agent as a contributor, reported that the injury could end Harris' season. Agent Jack Bechta did not immediately return a message from The Associated Press.

Earlier in the day, Packers coach Mike McCarthy said the team's medical staff was "just doing scans" on Harris and were "checking for everything." A team spokesman said no additional information was available.

Harris suffered the injury after colliding with teammate A.J. Hawk in the first quarter, according to several reports. Harris left the game, and Packers coach Mike McCarthy said he was not allowed to return because blood was found in his urine.

If Harris is done, Tramon Williams would get the start opposite of an ailing Woodson. Woodson has been hampered with a broken toe.

The 33-year-old Harris is coming off his first Pro Bowl appearance.

Information from The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3603042

not for sure yet

[red]

we're fucked if harris is done for the season

we do not have a cb capable of stepping up to be a starter opposite woodson

this would be a massive blow

[Jimx29]

he should be so lucky as to have a a kidney stone instead :?

[packers11]

I don't get how tests haven't CONFIRMED IT...

how is it might...

how long does it take to heal? Could he be ready by Super Bowl Sunday? :wink:

[packers11]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/24/AR2006092401241.html

When Simms had it removed.


The normal recovery time is said to be at least six weeks, and it's not unusual for athletes to undergo the operation and return to action.

[red]

according to one med site

if he has a splenectomy, he should be fully healed in 4 to 6 weeks

thats very good news. he would be back for the late season run and playoffs

and i see removing the organ as the worst case

[cpk1994]

I don't get how tests haven't CONFIRMED IT...

how is it might...

how long does it take to heal? Could he be ready by Super Bowl Sunday? :wink:Th report says he might be lost for the season. The test results haven't come out yet.

[rbaloha1]

Packer Fans Harris is out a minimum of 8 weeks. The most likely scenario is season ending.

TW is really improving. Outside of the Miles Austin play (TW was in pretty good position) TW played well. TW possess great speed and ball awareness. Just needs to play.

Blackmon gets beat too often and must improve. Pat Lee has the physical tools but seemed a little lost in preseason. Maybe PL emerges.

The pressure is on CW to play man with no safety help. Initially TW requires over the top safety help. Hopefully Bigby returns ASAP as Rouse may only be a dime safety.

Yes this hurts but the staff shall figure-out the right combination. The Packers still make the playoffs.

[falco]

T-Will has made some rookie mistakes and probably isn't ready to start - but he will have his trial by fire and he will come through okay.

It's not that T-Will can't adequately fill in for Harris, its the fact that there is a dropoff after that. Everyone gets bumped up a notch, and there is a bit of a dropoff after T-Will. (although I think Blackmon has shown potential in his playing time)

[Partial]

Baptism by fire will let us know how urgently we need to address the corner situation in the off-season.

[falco]

Baptism by fire will let us know how urgently we need to address the corner situation in the off-season.

plagiarist

[Rastak]

I won't lie, this has to sting the Packers if true but somebody else will just need to step up. One man's misfortune is another's opportunity.

Here's the latest from ESPN:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3603042


GREEN BAY, Wis. -- Green Bay Packers cornerback Al Harris was undergoing medical tests Monday amid a report he might have ruptured his spleen in Sunday's loss to the Dallas Cowboys.



Harris

The National Football Post, a Web site that lists Harris' agent as a contributor, reported that the injury could end Harris' season.



Harris' agent Jack Bechta said the 33-year-old veteran had some internal bleeding and the initial diagnosis is that he ruptured his spleen, according to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.



"He would most likely miss the season, it would just depend on the severity," Bechta told the newspaper. "But we don't have any definitive information except there was a rupture. Now we have to get him to a specialist as soon as possible."



Harris left Sunday night's game with 6:51 left in the first quarter after he collided with Packers linebacker A.J. Hawk. Harris returned two plays later.


But Harris had to leave again later in the series after tackling Cowboys running back Marion Barber -- and this time, he didn't return. Harris went to the Packers' locker room in the second quarter with what team officials described as cramping.

Packers coach Mike McCarthy said after the game that Harris had blood in his urine and was not allowed to return by the team's medical staff.

Earlier in the day, McCarthy said the team's medical staff was "just doing scans" on Harris and was "checking for everything." A team spokesman said no additional information was available.

While nothing is definitive, Bechta said the odds of Harris returning this year aren't good.



"Any time you have a ruptured spleen, you're not going to take any chances because it can re-rupture and be worse and then you have to have it removed," Bechta told the Journal Sentinel. "If that's the case, then there's always risk for infection. We're going to take a really conservative approach.



"Most doctors will tell a player to forego a season just because of all the downside risk. The conservative answer now from the original [diagnosis], I believe from Dr. [John] Gray, is to shut it down. But nothing is imminent as of yet."


Packers defensive backs coach Kurt Schottenheimer told the Journal Sentinel he didn't know Harris' status, but he did say the loss of Harris would have a major impact on the team.



"We just hope for the best for Al," Schottenheimer told the newspaper. "He brings such a spirit to the team, the way he plays. If you give him a job, you know that job is going to be taken care of and you can go to the next challenge. He brings such a winning performance to you all the time. I just hope he'll be all right."



Harris could be facing a road similar to Chris Simms. Simms ruptured his spleen in a game against the Carolina Panthers in 2006 and had an emergency procedure to have it removed. He missed the rest of the season and returned in 2007, but was inactive for the first five games before being placed on injured reserve.



The Buccaneers cut Simms in August, and he signed with Tennessee in September. Simms has yet to play in three games for the Titans this season.



If Harris, who is coming off his first Pro Bowl appearance, is done, Tramon Williams would get the start opposite Charles Woodson.



Despite both being over the age of 30, he and Woodson form one of the NFL's most formidable cornerback tandems. Woodson was effective against Cowboys receiver Terrell Owens on Sunday, but the Packers had a hard time containing the rest of the Cowboys' offense without Harris on the field.



"Anytime you lose guys, it's hard, but you expect other guys to step up," Packers defensive coordinator Bob Sanders said after Sunday's game. "But certainly losing Al, a guy of that caliber, that hurts. Anytime you lose a guy like that, it's not good."



And Harris isn't the only member of the secondary who's hurting.



Already missing strong safety Atari Bigby because of a hamstring injury, the Packers also had to handle a back injury to fellow safety Nick Collins during Sunday night's game.



And Woodson continues to play through a broken toe, toughing it out on game days but skipping most or all of practice during the week. Woodson said Sunday night that his toe was "hurtin'," and that the Packers faced a difficult week with so many injuries in the secondary.



"It's a tough week, but this is what we're paid to do," Woodson said. "Regardless of injuries and what hurts on the guys, you've got to get it right to get ready for next week."



McCarthy said Collins has a lower back contusion, but did not provide a time frame for his return. And he didn't seem certain Bigby would be back this week.



"I don't know," McCarthy said. "You know how hamstrings are. It's different with all of them. You can scan them, you can look at them, and get all of the information. Every one of them is different, so we'll see how he responds. He's been a quick healer in the past, so hopefully."



Information from The Associated Press contributed to this report.

[mmmdk]

I feel terrible for Al Harris. He's been a gamer for years and finally, in a down year by Al's standard, got to the pro bowl last season.

This is a test for Packers secondary; we would've had to face replacing Al eventually. Now it's bad timing but the task is at hand. Make the best of it..,Williams, Blackmon & Lee - you're not ready but nobody in the NFL feels sorry. Gotta grow like Al did when he arrived at Green Bay.

Back on your horses young GB CBs. :pack:

[falco]

i predicted williams would replace harris as starter this year due to injury, just was hoping it didn't come true

giants won the superbowl last year with backups and rookies playing corner... we can still have a good season, people just have to step up

[pbmax]

So is the standard for complaint that the player needs to have a equally qualified backup before we can point out their play is deteriorating?

Am I allowed to point out that the entire reason Brandon Chillar is on this team went up in flames with every Jason Witten 3rd down catch?

I do wish we still had crazy old Wayne Simmons to beat Witten half to death with. There was no finer defensive moment than seeing Wayne just abuse Brent Jones in 1995. That made my decade. RIP Wayne. But ol' Fritz is happy you are around.


Well, all the people bad mouthing Harris are going to find out just how valuable he was.

[Guiness]

Wow - what an innocent looking play to get hurt that badly on. Like KY said - it looked more like he just twisted out of the way to avoid a hit.

This would be a terrible blow, and TWill getting beat deep by some guy who had 200yds receiving in 4yrs is not a great beginning. I do think he'll be ok though. Not confirmed yet, keeping fingers crossed!

[pittstang5]

This really sucks! Collins is hurt - Back Contusion, Bigby's out with a Hamstring, Woodson's toe is broken/fractured - Rouse gets lost, Now Harris - out, probably for the year. Not good, not good.

[MJZiggy]

Thanks for putting that silver lining on it.... :shock:

[MadtownPacker]

Shit, Woodson wont see another ball come his way this season.

Now the offense is really gonna have to score more.

[Bretsky]

Life is about being #1

I had no Super Bowl Aspirations this year

I hope Al Harris comes back strong; in the mean time I hope somebody steps forward and develops as a result of the injury so we're even stronger next year.

[ThunderDan]

No way is Al making it back this year if it is a ruptured splean.

I donated a kidney to my wife this spring and couldn't swing a golf club for 6 weeks. They are going to have to go thru his abdominal wall to repair and you just don't get up a play football after that.

[MOBB DEEP]

DAYUM...

[pbmax]

Nobody likes a frontrunner! :lol:


Life is about being #1

I had no Super Bowl Aspirations this year

I hope Al Harris comes back strong; in the mean time I hope somebody steps forward and develops as a result of the injury so we're even stronger next year.

[texaspackerbacker]

Gosh, you people are just looking for excuses to be negative!

First of all, as I read things, it's not for sure he even has a ruptured spleen.

Second, 4 weeks, 6, 8, whatever, there would be a strong chance he would return and probably be more fit for the playoffs than he was last year. And when he gets back, we have a MUCH more experienced and polished Williams and Blackmon, maybe even Lee for nickel, dime, etc.

Third, who in the hell can say with certainty that Tramon Williams won't do the job close enough to the quality of Harris that the Packers will be fine. Is it not valid to say that at this stage of their respective careers, Williams is physically a better player than Harris? Then it just comes down to learning, coaching, and gaining experience.

[Rastak]

Gosh, you people are just looking for excuses to be negative!

First of all, as I read things, it's not for sure he even has a ruptured spleen.

Second, 4 weeks, 6, 8, whatever, there would be a strong chance he would return and probably be more fit for the playoffs than he was last year. And when he gets back, we have a MUCH more experienced and polished Williams and Blackmon, maybe even Lee for nickel, dime, etc.

Third, who in the hell can say with certainty that Tramon Williams won't do the job close enough to the quality of Harris that the Packers will be fine. Is it not valid to say that at this stage of their respective careers, Williams is physically a better player than Harris? Then it just comes down to learning, coaching, and gaining experience.


So laying around recuperating from major surgery get's you in football shape?


:lol:

[MJZiggy]

Don't you get it Tex???? The sky is freaking FALLING!!! Al Harris is one of the best in the league and he doesn't NEED a learning curve!!! It's Al FREAKING Harris!! It will be a couple years before TWill is ready to take his place.

Ok, I think I'm better, but if it turns out that Harris is, in fact, out long term, the timing on it is very bad. Teams WILL attack Williams.

[texaspackerbacker]

Don't you get it Tex???? The sky is freaking FALLING!!! Al Harris is one of the best in the league and he doesn't NEED a learning curve!!! It's Al FREAKING Harris!! It will be a couple years before TWill is ready to take his place.

Ok, I think I'm better, but if it turns out that Harris is, in fact, out long term, the timing on it is very bad. Teams WILL attack Williams.

Good Grief!

First of all, is it sure, or isn't it?

Secondly, I'm NOT gonna get trapped into bad-mouthing Al Harris, but he isn't quite THAT good. Not as good as Woodson; Not as good physically as maybe a third of the starting Corners in the league; And maybe top ten in performance at best, but I doubt top five.

This team is just too good over all for the "sky to be falling" because Harris is hurt--if he even is.

And as for the comment about recovering from surgery and staying in football shape, I doubt he's recuperating in bed in fact, he needs surgery--for more than a few days. By several weeks after, he's working out hard. My point was, though, that last year, he was beat up and faded badly by playoff time. This year, assuming he's out six or eight weeks, he should be in just about peak condition in January.

Sheesh! So much negativity!

[MJZiggy]

I wasn't trying to trap you into saying anything. Harris is just one of my favorites on D. He's always the one matched up to the opponents #1 and is a much better option than TWill at this point and the discussion is not about how he rates against other teams' CBs, but how he rates against the one who has to take over for him. Hopefully it's just a contusion and it will all be fine.

[The Gunshooter]

That's what happens when you don't allow your defense to be the aggressor. You stay on the field too long and get the shit pounded out of you. Now GB is in trouble because frankly, their secondary is shit. TW and the rest of them don't even belong in the league. Maybe ass wipe Sanders will now learn that the first duty is to stop the run AT ALL COSTS! If they score quick, so what, you live to fight another day.

[The Gunshooter]

I just remembered what Al Harris said about the game plan. That we would all be smiling after the game. Well I am not smiling asshole. You need to tell your stupid coach to get 8-9 in the box and blitz.

[RashanGary]

I just remembered what Al Harris said about the game plan. That we would all be smiling after the game. Well I am not smiling asshole. You need to tell your stupid coach to get 8-9 in the box and blitz.


Having a bad day?

[pbmax]

Take it easy. You are yelling at a very sick man in Al Harris. He doesn't need you raising Cain beside the hospital bed. And before you continue, go get yourself a cup of coffee and lookup the defensive statistics of the 2004 Packers Defense. That will cure you of 9 in the box nuttiness.

If that is not enough, chant "Slowik... Slowik... Slowik..." very slowly while you click over to the stats for the 2008 Broncos defense.

You may still not like Sanders, but he and Jim Bates will look like geniuses in comparison.

[The Gunshooter]

Take it easy. You are yelling at a very sick man in Al Harris. He doesn't need you raising Cain beside the hospital bed. And before you continue, go get yourself a cup of coffee and lookup the defensive statistics of the 2004 Packers Defense. That will cure you of 9 in the box nuttiness.

If that is not enough, chant "Slowik... Slowik... Slowik..." very slowly while you click over to the stats for the 2008 Broncos defense.

You may still not like Sanders, but he and Jim Bates will look like geniuses in comparison.

Relax? Sanders just screwed up a legit contender and Al Harris can't hear me, nor does he care what the hell I say, if his spleen is ruptured he is going on IR. What Al and Sanders forgot about was Dallas intention of beating the living crap out of the defense with Barber. You can not allow that even if it costs you the game. This is not the playoffs where you have all season to recover. They have to play Tampa in 6 days and they are going to lose that one two.

If 9 in the box is so nutty why did Dallas do exactly that? I saw them do it on first down, 6 down lineman on GB's 20 and they stuffed Grant for no gain. Even Fritz Shurmer wasn't as stubborn as Sanders is.

[3irty1]

To reply to everyone at once:

Jim Bates was a genius compared to Bob Sanders.

Al Harris physically not as good as Williams? He might not run like Dion Sanders but 31 is a specimen in his own right. He has freakish strength and until now has been remarkably durable.

Like many already. Players will just have to step up. On the youngest team in the league this is supposed to happen. Williams, Blackmon, and Lee all have enough potential to become our new heroes this year.

[Freak Out]

The spleen is a nice little organ to have and I hope Al gets to keep his. Get well soon Al.

[Dabaddestbear]

Well although Al Harris is the Packer I hated the most because he always bragged how good he was no matter how many times he was getting burned deep for a td. I still never wish such an injury on anyone.
And as far as those that imply he could probably come back for the playoffs is nothing short of ridiculous. There is no way you come back from getting your spleen removed and play that same season-- Not in the NFL!

I can say the Packers were pretty blessed last year avoiding all the injuries as other teams piled them up. But trust me, no one will shed a tear for you or even mention the reason for a bad season as a result of your injuries. Us Bear fans no it better than anyone last year. We had several of our "Pro BOWL STARTERS" out with injuries for most, if not pretty much the entire season, but all you would hear is how bad the team was. Not how bad the team was without its pro-bowlers. So just imagine how they will ignore the fact of solid role players on the Packers being injured....crickets will chirp.

Good luck with Tampa this Sunday........well not really..lol. :twisted:

[KYPack]

Dabaddestbear & Gunshooter are giving me a headache.

[pbmax]

Relax? Sanders just screwed up a legit contender and Al Harris can't hear me, nor does he care what the hell I say, if his spleen is ruptured he is going on IR. What Al and Sanders forgot about was Dallas intention of beating the living crap out of the defense with Barber. You can not allow that even if it costs you the game. This is not the playoffs where you have all season to recover. They have to play Tampa in 6 days and they are going to lose that one two.

If 9 in the box is so nutty why did Dallas do exactly that? I saw them do it on first down, 6 down lineman on GB's 20 and they stuffed Grant for no gain. Even Fritz Shurmer wasn't as stubborn as Sanders is.
One loss makes you a pretender? So the Eagles, Steelers and Patriots are pretending? Please just stop shouting.

And I am glad you can read the Dallas coaches minds. Perhaps you could offer that valuable service to the Packers front office? Because with my non Super Hero powers, all I could remember was Tony Romo passing Dallas to a lead with TO as the dagger last year in Irving, TX. Sanders scheme helped keep the Packers in it. The Cowboys so far this year have scored 28, 41 and 27 points. Which result would you rather compete with?

Dallas scored more points against a Belicheck defense (Cleve) and the vaunted Jim Johnson pressure defense (Eagles). I don't think your schemes are better than any of these options.

If you want to vent spleen, vent it at the offense, at Rodgers and the O Line for failing to execute and provide their defense with a close game and time of possession. For me, I believe that the O Line is getting better and Rodgers will learn from this. That is what can happen with young players.

Erik Williams was abused by Reggie White when he was a rookie. Williams went on to become Reggie's toughest opponent. Dallas is already at their peak, like Reggie. We are learning, like Williams. I still like our chances.

[run pMc]

If Harris has ANY issues with his spleen, I'm not worried about him for this season...but NEXt season. A spleen injury means he's done for this season. It took Simms almost 2 seasons to recover from having his spleen removed, and he's a younger guy than Al.

As for the D plan vs. DAL...I don't think it was a bad scheme. Double TO & Witten and hope your front 7 can handle the rest. A bit optimistic, but in theory better than getting burned by the big pass play. DAL has a huge OL and tons of offensive firepower. I don't think GB is quite in their class -- yet. But I don't think GB got embarrassed, either.

[KYPack]

[
If you want to vent spleen, vent it at the offense, at Rodgers and the O Line for failing to execute and provide their defense with a close game and time of possession. For me, I believe that the O Line is getting better and Rodgers will learn from this. That is what can happen with young players.

Erik Williams was abused by Reggie White when he was a rookie. Williams went on to become Reggie's toughest opponent. Dallas is already at their peak, like Reggie. We are learning, like Williams. I still like our chances.

I take it the spleen reference was an ironic comment?

Gun, read what PB posts. The big plays weren't scheme or wrong grouping errors. Players made mistakes and Romo and the Boyz gashed 'em when they did.

Most of the time, it ain't the X's and the O's, it's the Jims and the Joes. Players are human and they err. When you screw up in a big game, you get burned. We got ours in that game. As the players in the scheme mature, we will improve. We are the second youngest team in the NFL and have all that talent around. We will get better, Dallas is at it's peak right now.

Bear, I made a mistake, too.

I fed a troll. I'll try to correct that foollish error for the rest of the year.

[Patler]

That's what happens when you don't allow your defense to be the aggressor. You stay on the field too long and get the shit pounded out of you. Now GB is in trouble because frankly, their secondary is shit. TW and the rest of them don't even belong in the league. Maybe ass wipe Sanders will now learn that the first duty is to stop the run AT ALL COSTS! If they score quick, so what, you live to fight another day.



Relax? Sanders just screwed up a legit contender and Al Harris can't hear me, nor does he care what the hell I say, if his spleen is ruptured he is going on IR. What Al and Sanders forgot about was Dallas intention of beating the living crap out of the defense with Barber. You can not allow that even if it costs you the game. This is not the playoffs where you have all season to recover. They have to play Tampa in 6 days and they are going to lose that one two.

Are you suggesting that the defensive game plan caused Harris to be injured? That Sanders was responsible for Harris rupturing his spleen? That the game plan for the defense should somehow protect the cornerbacks from having to tackle a running back, even if it costs the game?

Am I misreading this?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Yeah, strange comment--especially since it appears that Harris got injured by running into A.J. Hawk while trying to cover an underneath route.

[Scott Campbell]

Us Bear fans no it better than anyone last year. We had several of our "Pro BOWL STARTERS" out with injuries for most, if not pretty much the entire season, but all you would hear is how bad the team was. Not how bad the team was without its pro-bowlers.




And now that your squad is all healed up, the Bears are...........1-2. :lol:

[Scott Campbell]

You guys are nuts. Can we please just find a way to blame Mike Sherman for Al's spleen injury?

[MadtownPacker]

Yeah, strange comment--especially since it appears that Harris got injured by running into A.J. Hawk while trying to cover an underneath route.Wait, this is all Hawk's fault for being a solid built White boy. Al just bounced off him like nothing.

Unless someone steps up huge this injury is going to have a huge ripple effect all the way to the offensive side of the ball. M3 is gonna have to put Rodgers in position to score and score early and often.

[mmmdk]

Yeah, strange comment--especially since it appears that Harris got injured by running into A.J. Hawk while trying to cover an underneath route.Wait, this is all Hawk's fault for being a solid built White boy. Al just bounced off him like nothing.

Unless someone steps up huge this injury is going to have a huge ripple effect all the way to the offensive side of the ball. M3 is gonna have to put Rodgers in position to score and score early and often.

I agree with Mad! It's not just D that has to step up. McCarthy has to get out of his funk & is it just me; but does M3 seem tired this season? He did remarry...:wink:

[GoPackGo]

I feel bad for Al Harris right now. A torn spleen can't feel good.

[The Gunshooter]

That's what happens when you don't allow your defense to be the aggressor. You stay on the field too long and get the shit pounded out of you. Now GB is in trouble because frankly, their secondary is shit. TW and the rest of them don't even belong in the league. Maybe ass wipe Sanders will now learn that the first duty is to stop the run AT ALL COSTS! If they score quick, so what, you live to fight another day.



Relax? Sanders just screwed up a legit contender and Al Harris can't hear me, nor does he care what the hell I say, if his spleen is ruptured he is going on IR. What Al and Sanders forgot about was Dallas intention of beating the living crap out of the defense with Barber. You can not allow that even if it costs you the game. This is not the playoffs where you have all season to recover. They have to play Tampa in 6 days and they are going to lose that one two.

Are you suggesting that the defensive game plan caused Harris to be injured? That Sanders was responsible for Harris rupturing his spleen? That the game plan for the defense should somehow protect the cornerbacks from having to tackle a running back, even if it costs the game?

Am I misreading this?

Yes I am. A good coach tries to create favorable match-ups. Sanders decided he would take away the pass and could live with forcing Dallas to run the ball. So far so good but that didn't work because Barber was gashing them. You have a plan and when it doesn't work you adjust. Sanders did not. The absolutely last thing you want is a 235lb beast like Barber building up a head of steam and your DB's having to take him on. You absolutely can not have your DB making tackles on him because he will hurt them. You are better off going to 8 or 9 in the box and forcing Dallas to throw. When they do it is easy to rush 6 or 7 if that's what it takes to hit the QB and you force Dallas to have fewer receivers out. So what if they lose the game, it's game 3 and Dallas might lose half their team to injury before game 17. There are certain players that absolutely can not go on IR if GB wants to go far in the playoffs. Sanders shit the bed by not stopping the run when it was obvious 7 couldn't do it. He wants to rush 4 every down and Dallas drooled at the chance to unleash their huge line and Barber on them.

[Patler]

Yes I am. A good coach tries to create favorable match-ups. Sanders decided he would take away the pass and could live with forcing Dallas to run the ball. So far so good but that didn't work because Barber was gashing them. You have a plan and when it doesn't work you adjust. Sanders did not. The absolutely last thing you want is a 235lb beast like Barber building up a head of steam and your DB's having to take him on. You absolutely can not have your DB making tackles on him because he will hurt them. You are better off going to 8 or 9 in the box and forcing Dallas to throw. When they do it is easy to rush 6 or 7 if that's what it takes to hit the QB and you force Dallas to have fewer receivers out. So what if they lose the game, it's game 3 and Dallas might lose half their team to injury before game 17. There are certain players that absolutely can not go on IR if GB wants to go far in the playoffs. Sanders shit the bed by not stopping the run when it was obvious 7 couldn't do it. He wants to rush 4 every down and Dallas drooled at the chance to unleash their huge line and Barber on them.

So the defense should be designed to protect the health of Harris? I doubt one defensive coordinator would agree with that, but even if they did, Harris was hurt when he ran into Hawk in pass protection. Collins was hurt making a tackle after a completed pass. Bigby was hurt last week during a pass play. Hawk was injured in preseason when he dove and hit the ground during a pass play.

Sounds to me like we should encourage teams to run. Playing pass defense is just too dangerous for our players! :lol:

[Guiness]

One loss makes you a pretender? So the Eagles, Steelers and Patriots are pretending? Please just stop shouting.


The Patriots are looking an awful lot like pretenders right now!!!

ok, ok, I'm being an ass. But to get slapped around like that by Miami :oops:

IMO Cassel is an awful lot like Pederson - great clipboard holder behind the guy who is actually important.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I haven't read this thread yet, but I don't think the loss of HArris will be devestating. Maybe I would have thought differently before the Dallas game, but now I think the Packers are not championship calliber anyway.

Travon Williams will be adequate and will improve with playing time.

[texaspackerbacker]

I just remembered what Al Harris said about the game plan. That we would all be smiling after the game. Well I am not smiling asshole. You need to tell your stupid coach to get 8-9 in the box and blitz.

Blitzing--other than a few rare surprise type situations, is bonehead stupid. I've said that for a long time.

The good teams--the consistent winning teams--don't do it. They KNOW a helluva lot more bad is likely to result from blitzing than playing steady bend-don't-break defense--like the intelligent WINNING teams do.

How in the hell do you extrapolate Al Harris's injury to not blitzing, of all things anyway? That's just idiotic.

WHAT IS THE LATEST? IS IT EVEN SURE HE HAS THE SPLEEN THING?

[mraynrand]

I just remembered what Al Harris said about the game plan. That we would all be smiling after the game. Well I am not smiling asshole. You need to tell your stupid coach to get 8-9 in the box and blitz.

Blitzing--other than a few rare surprise type situations, is bonehead stupid. I've said that for a long time.

It depends on what you mean by blitzing. If it means sending more than yor standard 'line' then it can be very effective. For example, even though the Cowboys play a 3-4, they pressured Rodgers the entire night, probably sending 5 or more, more than half the time. If you mean sending 6-7 in an all-out blitz, I would agree, you really take your chances. Even sending the rare surprise blitz can hurt you if the QB recognizes it and throws it to the spot in the D vacated by the blitzer.

[The Gunshooter]

I just remembered what Al Harris said about the game plan. That we would all be smiling after the game. Well I am not smiling asshole. You need to tell your stupid coach to get 8-9 in the box and blitz.

Blitzing--other than a few rare surprise type situations, is bonehead stupid. I've said that for a long time.

The good teams--the consistent winning teams--don't do it. They KNOW a helluva lot more bad is likely to result from blitzing than playing steady bend-don't-break defense--like the intelligent WINNING teams do.

How in the hell do you extrapolate Al Harris's injury to not blitzing, of all things anyway? That's just idiotic.

WHAT IS THE LATEST? IS IT EVEN SURE HE HAS THE SPLEEN THING?

Al Harris isn't the only one banged up, his is the most serious injury but all the starting DB's have something. I believe it's from not being aggressive enough with the playcalling. They are on the field too damn long. Most teams blitz between the twenties and will play 8 in the box if they are having trouble stopping the run but for some odd reason Sanders believes stopping TO is somehow going to stop Dallas. Ah, no, they have Barber to soften you up and then there goes Jones. All I am saying is be aggressive. Attack. The way I figure it is, you want to throw, you want to go deep? Ok, but I am hitting your QB and you might win but your QB might leave on a cart.

[Dabaddestbear]

Us Bear fans no it better than anyone last year. We had several of our "Pro BOWL STARTERS" out with injuries for most, if not pretty much the entire season, but all you would hear is how bad the team was. Not how bad the team was without its pro-bowlers.




And now that your squad is all healed up, the Bears are...........1-2. :lol:
That will change in time..hopefully this week. The Bears just need to learn how to protect double digit leads in the fourth quarter. But at least they lead...lol.
But like I said,..you all will now know what I was talking about last year. But heck you guys only got one starter out....the Bears had 6 throughout the year on defense alone! :roll:
--Have fun.

[Scott Campbell]

The Bears just need to learn how to protect double digit leads in the fourth quarter.


......ie, learn not to choke?

[Kyle.McCarroll]

The Patriots are looking an awful lot like pretenders right now!!!

It's the curse of the SuperBowl loser.