Charles Woodson

[packers11]

Defensive MVP for first 4 games???

[Pacopete4]

if Charles Woodson is not the best DB in the league, I would love for a person to show me who is... the guys unreal

[red]

do you mean for the nfl or the team?

he has to be up there for defensive mvp at this point

but i would say he's the mvp of this entire team for sure so far

[MJZiggy]

do you mean for the nfl or the team?

he has to be up there for defensive mvp at this point

but i would say he's the mvp of this entire team for sure so far

Yes, best on the team, you could make a case for Kampy, but I think C-Wood still wins it and if you're better than Kampman, you're for sure better than anyone else in the league...

[Chevelle2]

I have maintained since last year, he is the best CB in the NFL. Just nasty.

[Scott Campbell]

Defensive MVP for first 4 games???


If not him, Cullen Jenkins.

[packerbacker1234]

I have maintained since last year, he is the best CB in the NFL. Just nasty.

Best overall in the nfl/our team at CB? Ok, I can give you that. However, There are certain things Harris just does BETTER then Woodson. Woodson, however, makes up for those faults because he can hold on to ints, something Harris has always had a hard time with.

Still, I can't just simply hand him the defensive mvp over 4 games, even on our roster. To do so would be ignoring the fact that Nick Collins has played just as good as Charles Woodson. Or, do we not want to give him credit becasue everyone wanted to bench him last year for Rouse? Collins has been lights out at safety this season.

[SkinBasket]

Collins has been lights out at safety this season.

Can't be lights out with yo' back out. Collins has been good, but he has an easier job than Woodson considering the coverage we play.

That and Collin's back goes out and he runs right off the field. Chuck gets better the more he's injured.

[MadtownPacker]

Woodson for team defensive MVP right now.

[mraynrand]

Defensive MVP for first 4 games???

People seem to think you mean on the team. Of course he's been the defensive MVP on the team. Question is whether he's been defensive MVP of the league. He's got to be up there. Shut down TO, two INTs for TDs, multiple INTs and passes defensed. Yep - league wide defensive MVP - he's right up there.

[Kyle.McCarroll]

No.

The best CB in the league is Nnamdi Asomugha.

[mraynrand]

No.

The best CB in the league is Nnamdi Asomugha.

He may be - but is he the defensive MVP. Probably not.

[Kyle.McCarroll]

I wasn't saying he was DMVP.


if Charles Woodson is not the best DB in the league, I would love for a person to show me who is... the guys unreal

Nnamdi.

[Charles Woodson]

I wasn't saying he was DMVP.


if Charles Woodson is not the best DB in the league, I would love for a person to show me who is... the guys unreal

Nnamdi.
Idk, i agree that Nnamadi is a top 3 CB, but at this point, 4 weeks in CW is the best CB, i mean his numbers, 3 picks, 2 TDs are disgusting...

[Scott Campbell]

I wasn't saying he was DMVP.


if Charles Woodson is not the best DB in the league, I would love for a person to show me who is... the guys unreal

Nnamdi.
Idk, i agree that Nnamadi is a top 3 CB, but at this point, 4 weeks in CW is the best CB, i mean his numbers, 3 picks, 2 TDs are disgusting...


Ok, but there's a little more to it than just the picks. He's also got caught playing grab ass a couple of times. I guess that's the nature of bump and run. But overall, he's played great.

I'm surprised there's not more love for Cullen Jenkins. He's been a freak out there.

[MOBB DEEP]

shawn springs, asante samuel, kerry rhodes, champ bailey to name a few

homerism

[Bossman641]

shawn springs, asante samuel, kerry rhodes, champ bailey to name a few

homerism

Shawn Springs? No fuckin chance

Isn't Kerry Rhodes a safety?

[MTPackerfan]

I wasn't saying he was DMVP.


if Charles Woodson is not the best DB in the league, I would love for a person to show me who is... the guys unreal

Nnamdi.
Idk, i agree that Nnamadi is a top 3 CB, but at this point, 4 weeks in CW is the best CB, i mean his numbers, 3 picks, 2 TDs are disgusting...


Ok, but there's a little more to it than just the picks. He's also got caught playing grab ass a couple of times. I guess that's the nature of bump and run. But overall, he's played great.

I'm surprised there's not more love for Cullen Jenkins. He's been a freak out there.

Jenkins has been playing lights out. Too bad he was hurt yesterday, you could tell when he wasn't in the game, DL play dropped off.

[BF4MVP]

shawn springs, asante samuel, kerry rhodes, champ bailey to name a few

homerism
Shawn Springs is better than Woodson? Whatever you're smokin, I want some..

Kerry Rhodes is a free safety..

It's hard to argue against Samuel and Bailey since those guys are both studs..

There's nothing wrong with "homerism" in here..It's a Packer forum after all..

Woodson is an absolute beast..It'd be tough to find a CB having a better season than he is having..

[Scott Campbell]

I wasn't saying he was DMVP.


if Charles Woodson is not the best DB in the league, I would love for a person to show me who is... the guys unreal

Nnamdi.
Idk, i agree that Nnamadi is a top 3 CB, but at this point, 4 weeks in CW is the best CB, i mean his numbers, 3 picks, 2 TDs are disgusting...


Ok, but there's a little more to it than just the picks. He's also got caught playing grab ass a couple of times. I guess that's the nature of bump and run. But overall, he's played great.

I'm surprised there's not more love for Cullen Jenkins. He's been a freak out there.

Jenkins has been playing lights out. Too bad he was hurt yesterday, you could tell when he wasn't in the game, DL play dropped off.


And he seems almost equally effective from both spots - DT and DL. I was watching a couple of plays yesterday and the pocket collapsed from the middle. I'd ask "who the hell was that"? And sure enough on the replay, it'd be Jenkins again.

[BF4MVP]

I wasn't saying he was DMVP.


if Charles Woodson is not the best DB in the league, I would love for a person to show me who is... the guys unreal

Nnamdi.
Idk, i agree that Nnamadi is a top 3 CB, but at this point, 4 weeks in CW is the best CB, i mean his numbers, 3 picks, 2 TDs are disgusting...


Ok, but there's a little more to it than just the picks. He's also got caught playing grab ass a couple of times. I guess that's the nature of bump and run. But overall, he's played great.

I'm surprised there's not more love for Cullen Jenkins. He's been a freak out there.
Jenkins is having a great season. He's having the kind of season that I expected him to have last year..It's good to see that so far, he has rebounded from a subpar '07. He might be worth that contract after all.

[MOBB DEEP]

shawn springs, asante samuel, kerry rhodes, champ bailey to name a few

homerism

Shawn Springs? No fuckin chance

Isn't Kerry Rhodes a safety?

yep; i meant #24 darrelle revis

[MOBB DEEP]

shawn springs, asante samuel, kerry rhodes, champ bailey to name a few

homerism
Shawn Springs is better than Woodson? Whatever you're smokin, I want some..

Kerry Rhodes is a free safety..

It's hard to argue against Samuel and Bailey since those guys are both studs..

There's nothing wrong with "homerism" in here..It's a Packer forum after all..

Woodson is an absolute beast..It'd be tough to find a CB having a better season than he is having..

as if ANY of us have seen all of them play....thats y it wreaks of homerism (or should it be termed ignorance, just sayn things that SOUND nice but are inaccurate?)

[packers11]

Another fun stat : Woodson leads the NFL in pass deflections : 12

[MOBB DEEP]

shawn springs, asante samuel, kerry rhodes, champ bailey to name a few

homerism

Shawn Springs? No fuckin chance

Isn't Kerry Rhodes a safety?



did u see springs on TO last night???

[BF4MVP]

shawn springs, asante samuel, kerry rhodes, champ bailey to name a few

homerism

Shawn Springs? No fuckin chance

Isn't Kerry Rhodes a safety?



did u see springs on TO last night???
What about Woodson on TO last week?

[mission]

shawn springs, asante samuel, kerry rhodes, champ bailey to name a few

homerism

Shawn Springs? No fuckin chance

Isn't Kerry Rhodes a safety?



did u see springs on TO last night???

did you see *TO* even play against the packers?

you're retarded half the time. we'd be at best 1-3 without chuck.

[packers11]

Ints: 4 (tied for 1st)
Pass Deflections : 15 (1st)
TD's : 2 (tied for 1st)

[The Shadow]

Love smart players!

[DannoMac21]

shawn springs, asante samuel, kerry rhodes, champ bailey to name a few

homerism

LMAO

[steve823]

Man this thread is depressing. Woodson is great but so much talk about Jenkins. He was having such a great season and was such a force. Every dam play he made something happen and then boom out for the season. Man still cant get over it I feel bad for the guy. :cry:

But yea Woodson is amazing andis leading in basically every category.

[SnakeLH2006]

Defensive MVP for first 4 games???

I didnt' even read the 2nd post....i've been saying it for weeks...Al was not a loss..we got better statistically on pass D without him. Wood is the man....Been our MVP all year, might've been last year. Not even close..This man determines games....what other Packer player has even come close to determining a game this year?......Haven't read one more post than the first....I"m sure this one is spot on...Woodson for MVP. End Post.

[LL2]

I’m not sure what the current line up in the secondary is, but with Tramon Williams getting better along with Rouse, it would be great to get Al Harris back healthy and put Harris, Woodson, Williams, Rouse, and Collins all on the field. I would hope that would make an unbeatable secondary in the second half of the season.

[3irty1]

I’m not sure what the current line up in the secondary is, but with Tramon Williams getting better along with Rouse, it would be great to get Al Harris back healthy and put Harris, Woodson, Williams, Rouse, and Collins all on the field. I would hope that would make an unbeatable secondary in the second half of the season.

I want Bigby back.

[LL2]

I’m not sure what the current line up in the secondary is, but with Tramon Williams getting better along with Rouse, it would be great to get Al Harris back healthy and put Harris, Woodson, Williams, Rouse, and Collins all on the field. I would hope that would make an unbeatable secondary in the second half of the season.

I want Bigby back.

Yeah...put him on the field too with the others.

[texaspackerbacker]

6 hot shot DBs, that would shut down passing, all right.

They'd run it down our throat, though. We also need a healthy Justin Harrell lined up next to Pickett, and we need Barnett to snap out of his funk, and Hawk to play like he did the first 3 or 4 games. Of course, with 6 DBs, you're either down to 1 LB or else 2 LBs with a 3 man line.

The point is, I think you have to ROTATE those DBs, maybe go to a little bit more nickel, since we have depth in DBs. We all know injuries happen. Let's not get carried away. Let's just keep doing what the Packers do--which is the highly effective Bates/Sanders defensive scheme--that should work a helluva lot better with 3 shutdown corners than 2, with 2 prototype DTs than 1, and a rotation of 3 quality safeties instead of 0, 1, or 2--whatever we had before.

[boiga]

I want Bigby back. Agreed. Nick Collins has improved since last year, but doesn't have Bigby's instincts against the run. More importantly, Peprah is a bit of a liability when he comes in to give Rouse or Collins a rest.

Collins is the best coverage guy among them with his speed. Bigby is the best run stopper with his hard hitting. He runs over RB's when Collins and Rouse get run over. Having both these guys in their natural positions will give a big boost to our D.

[Scott Campbell]

Let's just keep doing what the Packers do--which is the highly effective Bates/Sanders defensive scheme.

:shock:


That's the first I've heard of this scheme. When do they plan on rolling it out?

[Deputy Nutz]

Well Hawk is hurt, and when he was playing like a beast in the first 3 games Barnett was playing like a turd. It seems the Packers have decided to go back to their over scheme having the weakside linebacker flow to the cut back lane instead of going directly to the ball carrier in an under scheme.

[Tarlam!]

Let's just keep doing what the Packers do--which is the highly effective Bates/Sanders defensive scheme.

:shock:


That's the first I've heard of this scheme. When do they plan on rolling it out?

C'mon, Scott. You're being cynical. When I read the reference, I mentally applauded Tex for remembering Bates at all.

[packers11]

Stud once again... Reggie Wayne got locked up...

[LL2]

Overall the secondary is starting to look pretty good. If Harris and Bigby can make it better when they come back GB could have the best secondary.