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Brando19
09-30-2008, 12:15 PM
Just saw it as breaking news on ESPN. The PC is scheduled for 5 ET. Al Davis has officially lost his mind. I wouldn't be suprised to see Matt Millen end up as head coach in Oakland.

sheepshead
09-30-2008, 12:23 PM
Thank God we're Packer Fans!

Carolina_Packer
09-30-2008, 12:33 PM
Yeah, the Raiders are a dumpster fire.

oregonpackfan
09-30-2008, 02:04 PM
Initial reports are that Al Davis refuses to honor the rest of Kiffen's contract. In other words, Kiffen will not get paid even though he was fired.

This action to not pay Kiffen, if true, is another indication that Al Davis has lost his mental faculties. :roll:

Carolina_Packer
09-30-2008, 02:10 PM
Initial reports are that Al Davis refuses to honor the rest of Kiffen's contract. In other words, Kiffen will not get paid even though he was fired.

This action to not pay Kiffen, if true, is another indication that Al Davis has lost his mental faculties. :roll:

Can you say grievance? :-) Geez, why do that? He's going to get his wrist slapped by Goodell, get even more bad pub (how can you get any more you ask?), and then have to cave and pay LK a buyout.

Al has Al to blame. This was really the best guy he could find? No knock on LK, but like Sarah Palin, was he ready to lead?

Pacopete4
09-30-2008, 02:11 PM
Is there any sort of way to get Al Davis out of the league? It's an absolute joke with this guy.. I wish I coulda been a fly on the wall to hear what Kiffin said to him

mraynrand
09-30-2008, 02:45 PM
You will NOT BE PAID!!!! YOU ARE FIRED!!! BUT, if you want your severance pay, just reach into that vat of acid for the key to the safe!!!

http://z.about.com/d/movies/1/0/V/c/N/saw3pic6.jpg

Tyrone Bigguns
09-30-2008, 02:52 PM
Initial reports are that Al Davis refuses to honor the rest of Kiffen's contract. In other words, Kiffen will not get paid even though he was fired.

This action to not pay Kiffen, if true, is another indication that Al Davis has lost his mental faculties. :roll:

Can you say grievance? :-) Geez, why do that? He's going to get his wrist slapped by Goodell, get even more bad pub (how can you get any more you ask?), and then have to cave and pay LK a buyout.

Al has Al to blame. This was really the best guy he could find? No knock on LK, but like Sarah Palin, was he ready to lead?

LK may well be a good coach, but you have the criteria mixed up for hiring.

It isn't whether he is ready to lead, it is whether he is ready to be lead.

That is standard M.O. for al.

oregonpackfan
09-30-2008, 03:32 PM
Raiders fire Kiffin 4 games into second season
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ALAMEDA, Calif. (AP) — The Oakland Raiders fired Lane Kiffin on Tuesday just four games into his second season, bringing finality to a situation that had been simmering for eight months.

Kiffin had a 5-15 record since being hired last year, losing his final game 28-18 on Sunday to San Diego.

The decision on Kiffin was as much about his frequent criticisms of owner Al Davis' franchise as it was the team's performance on the field. Those critiques reached a peak when Kiffin distanced himself from the defense after a blowout loss in the season opener, saying that was under coordinator Rob Ryan and Davis' control.

The Raiders said the move was made for cause, meaning they will likely try not to pay Kiffin for the remainder of his contract. He signed a two-year deal worth about $4 million with a team option for 2009 when he took over last year. Kiffin's agent Gary Uberstine had no immediate comment.

The move comes a day after the St. Louis Rams let go of Scott Linehan, marking the second firing at the quarter point of the season. The last time a coach had been fired this early in the season was when Davis got rid of Mike Shanahan after four games in 1989.

The Raiders did not immediately announce a replacement for Kiffin, but there are plenty of candidates on staff, including Ryan and receivers coach James Lofton, who both interviewed for the job when Kiffin got it in 2007. Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp, running backs coach Tom Rathman, offensive line coach Tom Cable and advance scout Paul Hackett also could be possible choices.

The Raiders have a bye this week so the new coach's first game will be Oct. 12 at New Orleans.

The firing was first reported by KGO radio, ESPN and NFL.com.

Kiffin's job security was in question as far back as January, when a dispute with Davis over whether he could replace Ryan as defensive coordinator led to the owner sending his coach a letter of resignation to sign.

Kiffin refused to sign it and the feud went on throughout the offseason as Kiffin questioned big-money signings and other personnel moves made by Davis.

The situation grew more heated with Kiffin's comments on Davis' involvement with the defense two days after a season-opening 41-14 loss at home to Denver. Three days after that, reports surfaced that Davis was ready to fire his coach at any time and it dragged out from there.

Kiffin did his best to deflect the controversy and never went to Davis to lobby for his job or a resolution. The team played much better the past three weeks, beating Kansas City and taking leads into the fourth quarter against Buffalo and San Diego before losing.

Davis' once-proud franchise has fallen on hard times of late, with the blame going beyond one coach. Oakland has an NFL-worst 20-64 record since the start of the 2003 season, a stretch spanning the tenures of Bill Callahan, Norv Turner, Art Shell and Kiffin.

Oakland has lost at least 11 games for five straight seasons, tying the dismal Tampa Bay Buccaneers of the 1980 for the worst stretch in NFL history.

Since returning to Oakland in 1995, the Raiders have had just three winning seasons and will be on their eighth head coach. The success mostly came under Jon Gruden, who led Oakland to division titles in 2000 and '01 before leaving for Tampa Bay. Callahan took the Raiders to the Super Bowl the following season, but nothing positive has happened since that 48-21 loss to Gruden and the Bucs.

The one constant during that period has been Davis, who won three Super Bowl titles in his first 21 years with the Raiders but has had little success over the past quarter-century.

Kiffin, the son of longtime NFL defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin, became the latest coach unable to turn the Raiders around.

Kiffin was just a 31-year-old assistant at Southern California when Davis hired him to replace Shell following the 2007 season, becoming the youngest head coach in the NFL's modern era.

Davis said at the time that Kiffin's youth was not an issue, pointing to the success the Raiders had in the past with young coaches like John Madden and Gruden.

Kiffin instead is following the path of Shanahan, who was hired at age 35 in 1988 and then fired four games into his second season. Until this move, Shanahan had been the only coach Davis had fired in the middle of a season since joining the Raiders in 1963.

Shanahan went on to win two Super Bowls with Denver.

Kiffin had some success changing the culture of a team in his first year but was unable to generate consistent wins.

Scott Campbell
09-30-2008, 03:38 PM
Initial reports are that Al Davis refuses to honor the rest of Kiffen's contract. In other words, Kiffen will not get paid even though he was fired.

This action to not pay Kiffen, if true, is another indication that Al Davis has lost his mental faculties. :roll:


Maybe Kiffin can get together with Mike Shanahan and file a class action suit.

Brando19
09-30-2008, 04:40 PM
What an idiot Al Davis is. He's reading a letter he wrote to Kiffin...and he told everyone that Kiffin was against drafting Jamarcus.

Gee...way to boost your QB's confidence, Al. Who in the hell would want to coach under Al Davis?

Kyle.McCarroll
09-30-2008, 04:58 PM
Al Davis or Rosie O'Donnell as the GM of your team??

Tough call.

Brando19
09-30-2008, 05:03 PM
Al Davis or Rosie O'Donnell as the GM of your team??

Tough call.

They're both mean old men...that's a tough one.

cpk1994
09-30-2008, 05:11 PM
Al Davis or Rosie O'Donnell as the GM of your team??

Tough call.

They're both mean old men...that's a tough one.But at least Al isn't fat. +1 for Al. :)

Tarlam!
09-30-2008, 06:30 PM
What a complete and utter ratbag.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80b43076

BallHawk
09-30-2008, 08:32 PM
Scumbag. He's out of his mind. Who are you gonna believe? The guy who's burned through 4 coaches in 5 years or the young guy who did his best to win?

MadtownPacker
09-30-2008, 08:35 PM
I wonder who Davis will leave the raiders to when he croaks.

Zool
09-30-2008, 09:23 PM
Prolly his 85 cats.

Badgerinmaine
10-01-2008, 05:55 AM
I wonder who Davis will leave the raiders to when he croaks.


One of these days, someone in the Black Hole might just take matters into his own hands to find out. Might be this fella ion the left:
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Badgerinmaine
10-01-2008, 05:57 AM
Al has Al to blame. This was really the best guy he could find? No knock on LK, but like Sarah Palin, was he ready to lead?

Lane should have said "thanks--but no thanks" to the job. :)

Who the hey would want to coach for Al Davis now?

prsnfoto
10-01-2008, 09:25 AM
I like the part of his press conference where he says Kiffin lied about speaking with him and he says he talked to him holds up the letter and says it was fed exed to kiffin. Fucker is insane. Looking at him today however Raider nation should not have too much longer to wait for the grim reaper to pay Al a visit.

Guiness
10-01-2008, 10:50 AM
Al has Al to blame. This was really the best guy he could find? No knock on LK, but like Sarah Palin, was he ready to lead?

Lane should have said "thanks--but no thanks" to the job. :)

Who the hey would want to coach for Al Davis now?

So true - I wonder who he will get???

No up and coming coach in his right mind would take this job - it's a death sentence, almost guaranteed to do badly, and then it will hang around your neck like an albatross.

So, it will have to be some co-ordinator who otherwise wouldn't get a chance (Jim Bates, Sherm Lewis, anyone?) or some guy who's coached before, is out, and not much chance of getting back in, except to take a job like this one (someone like Mariuchi, if he wants back in).

I guess he'll be able to find a coach...but wow, what an undesirable job. How will the new coach stand up there with a straight face and say 'I'm looking forward to great things' :roll:

LL2
10-01-2008, 11:10 AM
Initial reports are that Al Davis refuses to honor the rest of Kiffen's contract. In other words, Kiffen will not get paid even though he was fired.

This action to not pay Kiffen, if true, is another indication that Al Davis has lost his mental faculties. :roll:

Can you say grievance? :-) Geez, why do that? He's going to get his wrist slapped by Goodell, get even more bad pub (how can you get any more you ask?), and then have to cave and pay LK a buyout.

Al has Al to blame. This was really the best guy he could find? No knock on LK, but like Sarah Palin, was he ready to lead?

I'm sure a grievance will be filed. I believe there is a coaches union that will go after Al. Hopefully they will prevent coaches from wanting to be the next coach.

Badgerinmaine
10-01-2008, 12:51 PM
So true - I wonder who he will get???


I think I heard the acting coach was an assistant on Kiffin's staff--I want to say the O-line coach.

Zool
10-01-2008, 12:57 PM
So true - I wonder who he will get???


I think I heard the acting coach was an assistant on Kiffin's staff--I want to say the O-line coach.

Was the head coach at Idaho from 2000-2003, o-line coach in ATL in 06, o-line coach in OAK 07-present.

Carolina_Packer
10-01-2008, 08:35 PM
Perhaps the next time Al stays at a bed and breakfast he can find his next coach.

MJZiggy
10-01-2008, 08:38 PM
Al has Al to blame. This was really the best guy he could find? No knock on LK, but like Sarah Palin, was he ready to lead?

Lane should have said "thanks--but no thanks" to the job. :)

Who the hey would want to coach for Al Davis now?

So true - I wonder who he will get???

No up and coming coach in his right mind would take this job - it's a death sentence, almost guaranteed to do badly, and then it will hang around your neck like an albatross.

So, it will have to be some co-ordinator who otherwise wouldn't get a chance (Jim Bates, Sherm Lewis, anyone?) or some guy who's coached before, is out, and not much chance of getting back in, except to take a job like this one (someone like Mariuchi, if he wants back in).

I guess he'll be able to find a coach...but wow, what an undesirable job. How will the new coach stand up there with a straight face and say 'I'm looking forward to great things' :roll:

Mike Sherman.