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Kiwon
10-05-2008, 03:14 AM
The New York Times worked its magic on the story of the relationship between Barack Obama and admitted terrorist William Ayers. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/10/03/us/04ayers2_190.jpg

Guess what? Everything's kosher according to them. Big surprise.

But what didn't they ask about or find interesting enough to address? Below is a very informative article about several remarkable coincidences that the Times writer apparently didn't consider to be newsworthy to investigate.

The article is well worth the read.

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Questions about Ayers, Dohrn, Obama

By John Batchelor.

October 04, 2008

Scott Shane's Version

The New York Times assigned its first Bill Ayers profile since September 11, 2001 to a veteran political reporter Scott Shane, and the article published October 3, 2008 provides no new information about the mysterious relationship between Bill Ayers and his colleague of at least over a dozen years Barack Obama. In Scott Shane's version, the two met by chance in Chicago in 1995 in a conversation about education, served briefly together on two Chicago foundation boards, lived in the same neighborhood, and have fallen out of meaningful conversation since 2002.

The Cutting Room Floor

There is evidence that Scott Shane and his colleagues worked carefully on this story and perhaps were obliged to leave out a deal of material that did not fit concisely in the most innocuous version. There remain many unanswered questions from the puzzle pieces of the story over many years. Below are some of these questions in chronological order when possible.

1. Most importantly, when and where did Barack Obama first meet Bill Ayers? Neither Bill Ayers or Barack Obama would speak to Scott Shane for this piece, and Scott Shane mentions a "lunchtime meeting in a Chicago skyscraper" in 1995 but does not say this was the first meeting. Campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt does assert, without further explanation, that the 1995 meeting was their first meeting. There exists no other published record of this meeting being the first meeting.

2. Is it coincidence or significant that both Columbia College student Barack Obama (1981-1983) and Columbia Teacher's College student Bill Ayers were in New York City in the same time frame of the early 1980s, and that they both attended wool-gathering events about socialism at the Cooper Union? And that Mr. Obama, after two indifferent post-college years working for a trade newsletter in New York, left for Chicago in 1985, while Mr. Ayers followed his wife to Chicago after receiving his doctorate at Teachers College in 1987?

3. Is it coincidence or significant that Barack Obama travelled to Chicago to work for Mike Kruglik in a Saul Alinsky-inspired organization because of a $12,000 grant from the Chicago based Woods Fund? Is it significant that a member of the Woods board at the time was Ken Rolling, who would later serve as the executive director of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) grant alongside Mr. Ayers and Mr. Obama?

4. Is it coincidence or significant that Bernardine Dohrn, after serving seven months in jail on a felony for refusing to cooperate with the 1981 Brinks robbery investigation, was employed from 1984-1988 at the prominent Chicago law firm, Sidley Austin, where both Michelle Robinson in 1988 and Barack Obama in 1989 would serve as summer interns, and where Barack Obama met his future wife? Is it coincidence or significant that Bernardine Dohrn supervised the interns at Sidley Austin and that this duty passed to Michelle Robinson after Bernardine Dohrn left to an associate professorship at Northwestern University? Is it coincidence or significant that Bill Ayers's father Tom Ayers was a major client of Sidley Austin and long a significant proponent of progressive civil rights in Chicago?

5. Is it coincidence or significant that Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn were known to be part of a Hyde Park support group for Mayor Harold Washington, and that this group included other prominent South Siders such as the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Father William Pfleger? Is it coincidence or significant that Barack Obama has written that he was attracted to Chicago in 1985 because of the achievement of Harold Washington?

6. Is it coincidence or significant that, after graduating Harvard Law School in 1991, Barack Obama was offered his first law job in 1993 by Judson Miner, of Davis Miner Galand, who was a 1967 University of Chicago Law School classmate of Bernardine Dohrn?

7. Is it coincidence or signficant that Bill Ayers began his well-publicized pursuit of the $49.2 million Chicago Annenberg Challenge Grant with a sizeable grant from the Joyce Foundation in 1993-1994, and that the junior lawyer Barack Obama was named to the Joyce Foundation board in November 1994 by Joyce Foundation (since 1992) President Deborah Leff?

8. Is it coincidence or significant that Deborah Leff asserts that she alone suggested Barack Obama as chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge grant board beginning March 1995 -- despite the puzzling fact that Barack Obama had no education or teaching experience and, then 33, was serving at the head of a board that included two university presidents?

9. Is it coincidence or significant that a major recipient in the first year of CAC grants was a radical education enterprise headed by Bill Ayers and his education colleague, the self-proclaimed revolutionary communist education Professor Mike Klonsky? And that Mr. Ayers's employer, the University of Illinois, contributed a free room to serve as the CAC headquarters?

10. Is it coincidence or significant that not only was Mr. Obama's first introduction as a political candidate made in the Hyde Park home of Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn, but also, while Mr. Obama and Mr. Ayers continued to serve on the CAC together, they also participated in public policy panels together? In 1997, they were on a panel at the University of Chicago, purportedly organized by Michelle Obama, entitled, "Should a child ever be called a super predator?" In 2002, they were on a panel at the University of Illinois entitled, "Intellectuals, who needs them?" This cooperation was in addition to the enthusiasm that Mr. Obama expressed in print in 1997 for Mr. Ayers's book, "A Kind and Just Parent: The Children of Juvenille Court." The unusual loss of all of Mr. Obama's Illinois State Senate records prevents additional discoveries of their policy conversations.

11. Is it coincidence or significant that Mr. Obama and Mr. Ayers served on the Woods Fund board together 1999, 2000, 2001, and through mid-December 2002, during which time they together approved grants to many progressive enterprises, including Jeremiah Wright's Trinity Church and a Chicago organization closely associated with the prominent radical Palestinian booster and confrontational Professor Rashid Khalidi, then of the University of Chicago and now of Columbia University?

12. Is it coincidence or significant that Barack Obama and his spokespersons have changed the explanations about the nature of the relationship between Mr. Ayers and Mr. Obama several times since the fact of it was first introduced to the presidential campaign this year? In February, campaign strategist David Axelrod said the men knew each other because their children attended the same private school -- despite the generational age difference between the grown Ayers children and very young Obama children. In April, Mr. Obama, when asked during the Philadelphia debate by George Stephanopoulos, said that Ayers was a "guy who lived in the neighborhood" and a "professor of English" -- a strange evasion give the facts of their work together on CAC and Woods. In September, Mr. Obama told Bill O'Reilly that he had not "seen" Ayers in a year and a half. In the Scott Shane piece, we are told by the campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt that the two met on the street a little more than a year ago and that there have been no phone conversations or text messages between the two since Mr. Obama began serving in the Senate in January 2005. Unfortunately, this sort of non-denial denial does not speak to the repeated, credible reports of communication between Mr. Ayers and Mr. Obama via interlocutors such as Mr.Axelrod.

13. Finally, is it coincidence or significant that despite all the heated attention that the Ayers-Dohrn-Obama acquaintance has attracted at least since February that Mr. Ayers has refused to end the questions? Mr. Ayers has not been silent in this period. He writes a regular blog, appears at many public events and most recently published a bizarre four-panel cartoon (below) of his Vietnam war resistance thoughts. His colleagues Mike Klonsky and the radical politician Tom Hayden are equally outspoken and are the energy behind Progressives for Obama, a sentimental collection of 1960s radicals now in their autumnal years. One brief message from Mr. Ayers would end the speculation about the unusual coincidences that put both he and Mr. Obama so often in the same cities at the same time with the same activities, and yet they remain unsympathetic and unresolved.

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http://www.johnbatchelorshow.com/whats_news_tonight/all_source/septemberoctober_2008/blog:4919,11103,574

HowardRoark
10-05-2008, 07:05 AM
Quit the offensive sniffling.

LL2
10-05-2008, 08:51 AM
The Obama campaign is calling this a dirty "Swift-boat" tactic by the media and McCain/Palin. Perhaps, but you do have to question Obama's association with Ayers. If someone is going to be president you question their affiliation with shady people.

Kiwon
10-05-2008, 09:54 AM
What I don't get is if there is nothing to hide then why has Obama and his handlers gone to DefCon 3 to prevent the truth from coming out?

Where there's smoke, there's fire and they are acting like they have something to hide. And it is very troubling that news outlets such as the NY Times are helping to obscure the bizarre histories of the Obamas.

It's just so strange. The probable future president of the United States has had substantial, maybe even formative, relationships with some of the most brash, outspoken radical critics of American society and the voting public is just supposed to ignore that fact.

Instead of helping to connect and explain the dots they are trying to erase them. How can one not be suspicious?

BallHawk
10-05-2008, 10:01 AM
You realize Obama was 8 years old when the events in question took place, right?

Yeah. :roll:

sheepshead
10-05-2008, 10:31 AM
You realize Obama was 8 years old when the events in question took place, right?

Yeah. :roll:

Moronic response.

Kiwon
10-05-2008, 10:32 AM
You realize Obama was 8 years old when the events in question took place, right?

Yeah. :roll:

And FDR went on TV and calmed the nation's fears during the Stock Market Crash of 1929. :)

Kiwon
10-05-2008, 10:35 AM
You realize Obama was 8 years old when the events in question took place, right?

Yeah. :roll:

Moronic response.

Ball Hawk's kidding. Peace.

BallHawk
10-05-2008, 10:44 AM
You realize Obama was 8 years old when the events in question took place, right?

Yeah. :roll:

And FDR went on TV and calmed the nation's fears during the Stock Market Crash of 1929. :)

And then 15 years later Ike wrote a resignation letter at Normandy.

Tyrone Bigguns
10-05-2008, 04:37 PM
Great strategy on Mac's part...letting the press know that you are going to try and divert the public's attention from the econ crisis.

Pulling out of Michigan.

Whoever is running his campaign make those running Hillary's look like geniuses.

LL2
10-06-2008, 03:05 PM
You realize Obama was 8 years old when the events in question took place, right?

Yeah. :roll:

You know you are naive to think that Ayers is a reformed man and that him and Obama just met for coffee on occasion to talk about the White Sox. Obama is a radical and a liar, and he doesn't want the truth about his past affiliations to be known! It's no surprise that the Obama campaign is bring up the Keating 5 stuff. He has to find whatever dirt he can on McCain, but if you ask me the Keating 5 situation is nothing compared to the Obama's affiliations with people like Ayers, Wright, and groups like ACORN. Here's a transcript from Glen Beck's show last week. It's worth the read.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/16130/?ck=1

sheepshead
10-06-2008, 03:38 PM
You realize Obama was 8 years old when the events in question took place, right?

Yeah. :roll:

Moronic response.

Ball Hawk's kidding. Peace.

you sure?

Tyrone Bigguns
10-06-2008, 04:08 PM
You realize Obama was 8 years old when the events in question took place, right?

Yeah. :roll:

You know you are naive to think that Ayers is a reformed man and that him and Obama just met for coffee on occasion to talk about the White Sox.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/16130/?ck=1

Naive? Really? So, the man hasn't been in trouble with the law in almost 30 years. Are people not allowed to change?

If you are so worried about Obama, are you as worried about all of Ayer's coworkers and employer. Surely they are all radicals intent on bringing down america.

As for the Keating 5...Mac showed incredibly bad judgement back then..that is the issue.

This is a bad road for Mac to go down. You have the Keating situation, not to mention was a member and sat on the board of the US Council for World Freedom ("USCWF"), an organization noted for its extreme ideology, racism, and anti-semitism. This organization has been described as "largely a collection of Nazis, fascists, anti-Semites, sellers of forgeries, vicious racialists, and corrupt self seekers."

Yeah, i'm sure Mac wants to talk about his "friendship" with Rev. Moon and Adolfo Calero, commander in chief of the armed forces of the FDN contras.

Things are a bit too radical when the Birchers are telling their members not to join.

sheepshead
10-06-2008, 04:37 PM
You realize Obama was 8 years old when the events in question took place, right?

Yeah. :roll:

You know you are naive to think that Ayers is a reformed man and that him and Obama just met for coffee on occasion to talk about the White Sox.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/16130/?ck=1

Naive? Really? So, the man hasn't been in trouble with the law in almost 30 years. Are people not allowed to change?

If you are so worried about Obama, are you as worried about all of Ayer's coworkers and employer. Surely they are all radicals intent on bringing down america.

As for the Keating 5...Mac showed incredibly bad judgement back then..that is the issue.

This is a bad road for Mac to go down. You have the Keating situation, not to mention was a member and sat on the board of the US Council for World Freedom ("USCWF"), an organization noted for its extreme ideology, racism, and anti-semitism. This organization has been described as "largely a collection of Nazis, fascists, anti-Semites, sellers of forgeries, vicious racialists, and corrupt self seekers."

Yeah, i'm sure Mac wants to talk about his "friendship" with Rev. Moon and Adolfo Calero, commander in chief of the armed forces of the FDN contras.

Things are a bit too radical when the Birchers are telling their members not to join.





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Tyrone Bigguns
10-06-2008, 04:48 PM
^^^

Surprisingly, more intelligent than your written word.

hoosier
10-06-2008, 07:12 PM
Hey, LL2 and Muttonhead, I just realized you're both from Chicago. How 'bout them Cubbies? :lol:

LL2
10-06-2008, 08:55 PM
Hey, LL2 and Muttonhead, I just realized you're both from Chicago. How 'bout them Cubbies? :lol:

Cubbies are great! It was great to see them get swept. I was born in Wisconsin. Somehow after moving from Wisconsin to Michigan to Ohio I then somehow ended up in Chicagoland. So I'm a displaced Cheesehead, but that is ok because I have a wonderful wife and two beautiful kids (I made sure they didn't drink the Chicago water).

texaspackerbacker
10-06-2008, 10:40 PM
This is nothing less than the SWIFT BOATING OF OBAMA!

I'm sure even the liberals would agree with that line.

But what exactly WAS/IS Swift Boating?

The word comes from the indisoutably TRUE accusations by a group of Swift Boat veterans who EXPOSED Kerry as the cowardly trash that he was/is--EXPOSING his false reports put out on himself which constituted the sole basis for the three bogus Purple Hearts that got the despicable coward OUT of combat and able to come home and spew lies about the brave troops still in Vietnam. Why do I say INDISPUTABLE? Because even Kerry himself, with his chance for the presidency on the line, didn't DARE challenge the veracity of the accusations.

Now, we have the equally INDISPUTABLE relationship of Obama with William Ayres of the Weather Underground, who with his evil bitch of a wife, Bernadette Dorn, headed the organization which BOMBED THE PENTAGON, CAPITOL BUILDING, AND NYC POLICE HQ, among many other bombings around the country, killing a member of the San Francisco police. Obama's political career BEGAN in the living room of Ayres's home--where Chicago liberals, seeing what a marketable commodity they had in this "clean and articulate" black man--Joe Biden's words, promoted his political career as an Illinois legislator.

Obama's defense is the thing that he was just 8 years old when Obama did his bombing. Well, how old was Obama in 1999 when he served with Ayres on the board of some left wing organization, and Ayres stated that he WISHED HE HAD DONE MORE BOMBINGS OF AMERICAN INSTITUTIONS?

Just days ago, an Obama campaign aide stated, "Of course Obama knew Ayres. They lived in the same neighborhood". Now Obama is lying and saying he hardly knew Ayres. How well did Obama know Ayres when he had Ayres babysit his kids?

How well did Obama know Jeremiah Wright when he spent 20 YEARS listening to the racism and America-hate that Wright routinely spewed--only seeing fit to mildly condemn Wright's words when Obama was running for president?

How well did Obama know the felonious slumlord, Tony Rezco, who aided Obama in a shady deal to get the house he lives in?

How well does Obama know his own wife who is on tape stating that she was "NEVER PROUD OF AMERICA" until her husband ran for president? I wonder how proud of her country she is gonna be when he loses the election.

Damn Straight Obama is getting SWIFT BOATED--getting confronted with the TRUTH of his rotten beliefs and associations!

Tyrone Bigguns
10-06-2008, 10:41 PM
Nobody cares.

texaspackerbacker
10-06-2008, 10:41 PM
This is nothing less than the SWIFT BOATING OF OBAMA!

I'm sure even the liberals would agree with that line.

But what exactly WAS/IS Swift Boating?

The word comes from the indisputably TRUE accusations by a group of Swift Boat veterans who EXPOSED Kerry as the cowardly trash that he was/is--EXPOSING his false reports put out on himself which constituted the sole basis for the three bogus Purple Hearts that got the despicable coward OUT of combat and able to come home and spew lies about the brave troops still in Vietnam. Why do I say INDISPUTABLE? Because even Kerry himself, with his chance for the presidency on the line, didn't DARE challenge the veracity of the accusations.

Now, we have the equally INDISPUTABLE relationship of Obama with William Ayres of the Weather Underground, who with his evil bitch of a wife, Bernadette Dorn, headed the organization which BOMBED THE PENTAGON, CAPITOL BUILDING, AND NYC POLICE HQ, among many other bombings around the country, killing a member of the San Francisco police. Obama's political career BEGAN in the living room of Ayres's home--where Chicago liberals, seeing what a marketable commodity they had in this "clean and articulate" black man--Joe Biden's words, promoted his political career as an Illinois legislator.

Obama's defense is the thing that he was just 8 years old when Obama did his bombing. Well, how old was Obama in 1999 when he served with Ayres on the board of some left wing organization, and Ayres stated that he WISHED HE HAD DONE MORE BOMBINGS OF AMERICAN INSTITUTIONS?

Just days ago, an Obama campaign aide stated, "Of course Obama knew Ayres. They lived in the same neighborhood". Now Obama is lying and saying he hardly knew Ayres. How well did Obama know Ayres when he had Ayres babysit his kids?

How well did Obama know Jeremiah Wright when he spent 20 YEARS listening to the racism and America-hate that Wright routinely spewed--only seeing fit to mildly condemn Wright's words when Obama was running for president?

How well did Obama know the felonious slumlord, Tony Rezco, who aided Obama in a shady deal to get the house he lives in?

How well does Obama know his own wife who is on tape stating that she was "NEVER PROUD OF AMERICA" until her husband ran for president? I wonder how proud of her country she is gonna be when he loses the election.

Damn Straight Obama is getting SWIFT BOATED--getting confronted with the TRUTH of his rotten beliefs and associations!

Kerry's mistake--in hindsight--was NOT lying through his teeth and denying the true accusations against him. Obama seems determined not to make that mistake. He IS boldfacedly lying about his relationship with Ayres--why not? He's got the media on his side to try and validate his lies--and he has the positive reinforcement of getting away with lying about his relationship with Wright during the primaries. Why wouldn't the bastard lie?

Tyrone Bigguns
10-06-2008, 10:47 PM
Nobody cares.

texaspackerbacker
10-06-2008, 10:48 PM
This is nothing less than the SWIFT BOATING OF OBAMA!

I'm sure even the liberals would agree with that line.

But what exactly WAS/IS Swift Boating?

The word comes from the indisputably TRUE accusations by a group of Swift Boat veterans who EXPOSED Kerry as the cowardly trash that he was/is--EXPOSING his false reports put out on himself which constituted the sole basis for the three bogus Purple Hearts that got the despicable coward OUT of combat and able to come home and spew lies about the brave troops still in Vietnam. Why do I say INDISPUTABLE? Because even Kerry himself, with his chance for the presidency on the line, didn't DARE challenge the veracity of the accusations.

Now, we have the equally INDISPUTABLE relationship of Obama with William Ayres of the Weather Underground, who with his evil bitch of a wife, Bernadette Dorn, headed the organization which BOMBED THE PENTAGON, CAPITOL BUILDING, AND NYC POLICE HQ, among many other bombings around the country, killing a member of the San Francisco police. Obama's political career BEGAN in the living room of Ayres's home--where Chicago liberals, seeing what a marketable commodity they had in this "clean and articulate" black man--Joe Biden's words, promoted his political career as an Illinois legislator.

Obama's defense is the thing that he was just 8 years old when Obama did his bombing. Well, how old was Obama in 1999 when he served with Ayres on the board of some left wing organization, and Ayres stated that he WISHED HE HAD DONE MORE BOMBINGS OF AMERICAN INSTITUTIONS?

Just days ago, an Obama campaign aide stated, "Of course Obama knew Ayres. They lived in the same neighborhood". Now Obama is lying and saying he hardly knew Ayres. How well did Obama know Ayres when he had Ayres babysit his kids?

How well did Obama know Jeremiah Wright when he spent 20 YEARS listening to the racism and America-hate that Wright routinely spewed--only seeing fit to mildly condemn Wright's words when Obama was running for president?

How well did Obama know the felonious slumlord, Tony Rezco, who aided Obama in a shady deal to get the house he lives in?

How well does Obama know his own wife who is on tape stating that she was "NEVER PROUD OF AMERICA" until her husband ran for president? I wonder how proud of her country she is gonna be when he loses the election.

Damn Straight Obama is getting SWIFT BOATED--getting confronted with the TRUTH of his rotten beliefs and associations!

Kerry's mistake--in hindsight--was NOT lying through his teeth and denying the true accusations against him. Obama seems determined not to make that mistake. He IS boldfacedly lying about his relationship with Ayres--why not? He's got the media on his side to try and validate his lies--and he has the positive reinforcement of getting away with lying about his relationship with Wright during the primaries. Why wouldn't the bastard lie?

Keep telling yourself that , Tyrone. The scumbag campaign workers of Obama seem to care. They seem to be in a panic about this.

Tyrone Bigguns
10-06-2008, 10:49 PM
I think you are in a panic..replying to yourself. :lol:

texaspackerbacker
10-06-2008, 11:06 PM
I had to counter your own repeated post ploy to get to the new page.

The horrendous thought of an Obama presidency--repeats of 9/11, economy-killing tax increases, rotten judicial appointees trying to destroy our society, the dismantling of American military power from a position of world dominance, etc.--Yeah, I'd say that's cause for panic.

MJZiggy
10-06-2008, 11:16 PM
This was just the question on CNN this afternoon in the airport. Why the hell are we worried about Ayers or the Keating 5 with the economy doing its best Hindenburg impression?

What I'd like to know is how both plan to fix it.

mraynrand
10-06-2008, 11:55 PM
This was just the question on CNN this afternoon in the airport. Why the hell are we worried about Ayers or the Keating 5 with the economy doing its best Hindenburg impression?

What I'd like to know is how both plan to fix it.

Well, distributing the Annenberg funds was essentially Obama's only experience as a leader of anything significant, and, according to internal evaluation, the CAC accomplished nothing. Futhermore, instead of helping kids do better in school, a lot of the funds went to radical groups and the goals of the project were to politicize the students. So, the new information released last week not only show a true terrorist, Ayers, to be a close associate of Obama, but also show that Obama is completely ineffective, even when working with other people's money. Considering he wants to be in charge of 1 trillion extra of our tax dollars, his complete incompetence while working with an anti-American terrorist is relevant. I guess spending that Annenberg money was more difficult that editing the law review.

bobblehead
10-07-2008, 12:27 AM
This was just the question on CNN this afternoon in the airport. Why the hell are we worried about Ayers or the Keating 5 with the economy doing its best Hindenburg impression?

What I'd like to know is how both plan to fix it.

Gov't doesn't fix the economy..I wish we could put that lie to rest once and for all.

HowardRoark
10-07-2008, 07:20 AM
This was just the question on CNN this afternoon in the airport. Why the hell are we worried about Ayers or the Keating 5 with the economy doing its best Hindenburg impression?

What I'd like to know is how both plan to fix it.

Gov't doesn't fix the economy..I wish we could put that lie to rest once and for all.

Same subject as my other post. This just shows we are becoming a weaker country. We have a mess. Now everyone sits around and pins blame on the Republicans or the Democrats……who cares? It was a combination of many, many things. But most important, the Free market Invisible Hand was altered. People who should not have built homes, built homes; by any logical definition, they should not have been given the money to buy a home. Now we have the outcome.

The unwinding will be painful and long. The more Government does goofy things now, the more it will hurt down the road again. Let the unwinding take place. The last 10 years have been a mirage.

But let’s go back to blaming……just like my kids do.

hoosier
10-07-2008, 07:36 AM
Hey, LL2 and Muttonhead, I just realized you're both from Chicago. How 'bout them Cubbies? :lol:

Cubbies are great! It was great to see them get swept. I was born in Wisconsin. Somehow after moving from Wisconsin to Michigan to Ohio I then somehow ended up in Chicagoland. So I'm a displaced Cheesehead, but that is ok because I have a wonderful wife and two beautiful kids (I made sure they didn't drink the Chicago water).

Well that speaks to your good taste in baseball teams, then. :lol:

sheepshead
10-07-2008, 07:48 AM
This was just the question on CNN this afternoon in the airport. Why the hell are we worried about Ayers or the Keating 5 with the economy doing its best Hindenburg impression?

What I'd like to know is how both plan to fix it.

Gov't doesn't fix the economy..I wish we could put that lie to rest once and for all.



:bclap: :bclap: :bclap:

Tyrone Bigguns
10-07-2008, 03:08 PM
This was just the question on CNN this afternoon in the airport. Why the hell are we worried about Ayers or the Keating 5 with the economy doing its best Hindenburg impression?

What I'd like to know is how both plan to fix it.

Gov't doesn't fix the economy..I wish we could put that lie to rest once and for all.

That is your perspective. I wish you would stop presenting your position as truth.

LL2
10-07-2008, 03:47 PM
This was just the question on CNN this afternoon in the airport. Why the hell are we worried about Ayers or the Keating 5 with the economy doing its best Hindenburg impression?

What I'd like to know is how both plan to fix it.

Gov't doesn't fix the economy..I wish we could put that lie to rest once and for all.

That is your perspective. I wish you would stop presenting your position as truth.

There is a lot of truth to it. When has the government fixed anything?

sheepshead
10-07-2008, 04:42 PM
This was just the question on CNN this afternoon in the airport. Why the hell are we worried about Ayers or the Keating 5 with the economy doing its best Hindenburg impression?

What I'd like to know is how both plan to fix it.

Gov't doesn't fix the economy..I wish we could put that lie to rest once and for all.

That is your perspective. I wish you would stop presenting your position as truth.

go ahead, dispute it with facts.

Tyrone Bigguns
10-07-2008, 06:02 PM
This was just the question on CNN this afternoon in the airport. Why the hell are we worried about Ayers or the Keating 5 with the economy doing its best Hindenburg impression?

What I'd like to know is how both plan to fix it.

Gov't doesn't fix the economy..I wish we could put that lie to rest once and for all.

That is your perspective. I wish you would stop presenting your position as truth.

There is a lot of truth to it. When has the government fixed anything?

Iraq. :lol:

falco
10-07-2008, 06:04 PM
Volcker's Fed is widely credited with ending the United States' stagflation crisis of the 1970s by limiting the growth of the money supply, abandoning the previous policy of targeting interest rates. Inflation, which peaked at 13.5% in 1981, was successfully lowered to 3.2% by 1983. [1]

Tyrone Bigguns
10-07-2008, 06:04 PM
This was just the question on CNN this afternoon in the airport. Why the hell are we worried about Ayers or the Keating 5 with the economy doing its best Hindenburg impression?

What I'd like to know is how both plan to fix it.

Gov't doesn't fix the economy..I wish we could put that lie to rest once and for all.

That is your perspective. I wish you would stop presenting your position as truth.

go ahead, dispute it with facts.

Why don't you prove it with facts?

BTW, i guess that post WW2 economy wasn't influenced by gov't policy.

MJZiggy
10-07-2008, 07:22 PM
This was just the question on CNN this afternoon in the airport. Why the hell are we worried about Ayers or the Keating 5 with the economy doing its best Hindenburg impression?

What I'd like to know is how both plan to fix it.

Gov't doesn't fix the economy..I wish we could put that lie to rest once and for all.



:bclap: :bclap: :bclap:

Could they have thought of this concept before they bailed out the banking industry in order to fix the economy to the tune of $85 billion um....tax dollars? And what did the AIG execs DO with that money (the very same people with the multi-million dollar golden parachutes)? I'm glad you asked. They held a $400,000 corporate retreat for the top executives at an exclusive resort...

Kiwon
10-07-2008, 07:27 PM
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:

CNN got religion and decided (albeit less than one month before the election) to actually report some FACTS about the relationship between Obama and Ayers.

The liberal, Democratic-leaning media dam has sprung a leak! How could such a thing happen? I'm sure George Soros will have his lawyers help to get some minds right at CNN and get them back on the official narrative.

You better watch this video now before they have it removed.

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=190343

hoosier
10-07-2008, 07:53 PM
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:

CNN got religion and decided (albeit less than one month before the election) to actually report some FACTS about the relationship between Obama and Ayers.

The liberal, Democratic-leaning media dam has sprung a leak! How could such a thing happen? I'm sure George Soros will have his lawyers help to get some minds right at CNN and get them back on the official narrative.

You better watch this video now before they have it removed.

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=190343

Boring, Kiwon, boring.
http://www.rockingham.k12.va.us/sound_sorting/initial_consonants/y/images/yawn.jpg
And:
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/3868327/2/istockphoto_3868327_big_yawn.jpg
And: http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/files/2004/12/orangutan_yawn.jpg

Kiwon
10-07-2008, 08:01 PM
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:

CNN got religion and decided (albeit less than one month before the election) to actually report some FACTS about the relationship between Obama and Ayers.

The liberal, Democratic-leaning media dam has sprung a leak! How could such a thing happen? I'm sure George Soros will have his lawyers help to get some minds right at CNN and get them back on the official narrative.

You better watch this video now before they have it removed.

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=190343

Boring, Kiwon, boring.
http://www.rockingham.k12.va.us/sound_sorting/initial_consonants/y/images/yawn.jpg
And:
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/3868327/2/istockphoto_3868327_big_yawn.jpg
And: http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/files/2004/12/orangutan_yawn.jpg

Enough with your family pictures.

Did you watch the video?

HowardRoark
10-07-2008, 08:10 PM
This was just the question on CNN this afternoon in the airport. Why the hell are we worried about Ayers or the Keating 5 with the economy doing its best Hindenburg impression?

What I'd like to know is how both plan to fix it.

Gov't doesn't fix the economy..I wish we could put that lie to rest once and for all.

That is your perspective. I wish you would stop presenting your position as truth.

There is a lot of truth to it. When has the government fixed anything?

Iraq.

Nice to see you are growing up and seeing the light.