Conservatives that are racists?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Many on this board have posited that Colin Powell has endorsed Obama strictly on race.

Is this also true for Buckley jr., Chris Hitchens, Smerconish, and Charles Fried?

I would particularly be interested to hear why RR's solicitor general and Republican/strict constructionist icon would endorse Obama.

[HowardRoark]

As a Conservative, I Must Say I Do Quite Like the Cut of this Obama Fellow's Jib

By T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII

Columnist, The National Topsider

Membership Chairman, The Newport Club


When my late father T. Coddington Van Voorhees VI founded the iconoclastic conservative journal National Topsider in 1948, he famously declared that "Now is the time for all good conservative helmsmen to hoist the mizzen, pour the cocktails, and steer this damned schooner hard starboard." In the 60 years since he first uttered it after one-too-many Cosmopolitans at one of Pamela Harriman's notorious foreign policy black tie balls, father's pithy bon mot has served as a rallying cry for conservatives from Greenwich to Chevy Chase. Today, I say it's time for we conservatives to once again grab the rigging and set sail with the flotilla of the true conservative in this race: Barack Obama.

Trust me, I haven't taken this tack lightly. No Van Voorhees has supported an avowed socialist since great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandpapa Cragmont Van Voorhees lent Peter Minuet $24 and a sack of wampum to swing a subprime mortgage on Manhattan Island. Old dad himself often recounted how, as a lad, he would command the family chauffeur Carleton to drive the Duesenberg down to the Times Square Trans-Lux so he could hiss Roosevelt. But I've taken a good measure of this Obama fellow, and I must say I like the cut of the man's jib.

How can I say this, you ask? One look at this Obama chap is all the answer you need. Suave, tanned, unflappable, Harvard connections; it's obvious that here is a man to the conservative manor born. One imagines him at the helm of the Ship of State, basked in the sunlight diffusing through the seaspray over the bow, like some beautiful rugged Othello from a rapturous Ralph Lauren catalog, calmly issuing instructions to the deck crew in that magnificent mellifluous baritone of his. It's that easy-going, almost effortless grace that has all the A-list conservatives like David Frum and Kathleen Parker whispering Reaganesque in hushed tones. Even Peggy Noonan -- the Grand Dame of Gipperism -- has succumbed to Obama's undeniable conservative charms. Just last month I listened to her wax poetic about the Adonis of Chicago between chukkers at the Newport Club polo tournament final. "Why Peggy, you old dowager," I quipped, "I believe you just had an orgasm."

Certainly, my endorsement has raised more than a few eyebrows around the National Topsider water cooler, particularly among the alumni of jejune cow colleges like Michigan or Dartmouth. They sometimes point to Mr. Obama's radical Rolodex and his hooey about "wealth redistribution" and "dictatorship of the proletariat." But, as I patiently explain, this is precisely the point - it is hooey, over-the-top rhetorical flourishes obviously designed by Mr. Obama to win over benighted inner city hoi polloi (a feat, I might add, that even the Great Communicator himself was unable to accomplish). As for his so-called radical ties, who among us hasn't sent dinner party invitations to Gore Vidal and a leftwing terrorist or two to enliven the postprandial conversation? Leonard Bernstein loved hosting all manner of Weathermen and Black Panthers and Symbionese Liberation Army celebrities at his Park Avenue pied a terre, but it didn't mean the Maestro wasn't in favor of low taxes. On the contrary; I know for a fact he itemized every cent of the catering bills for his famous terrorist cocktail parties.

Just so, I have every confidence that Obama's true conservative butterfly will emerge once in office, coaxed from its Maoist cocoon by conservatives like myself and Frum and Parker and Noonan -- all of whom I am pleased to report are already under consideration for the Obama Administration State Dinner shortlist. Certainly there may be a tax increase or two, but isn't that what estate attorneys and Cayman Island banks are for? Under a worst case scenario some of us may have to set up a lease-back depreciation arrangement on one or two of our vacation compounds, as Dad was forced to in the dark years of Carter. But I'm not worried. I've got a pretty good sense for character, and I'd be willing to bet my Weejuns that inside this Obama fellow lives the soul a rock-ribbed old money Brahmin. Ask yourself: could a seriously committed Marxist carry off a Brooks Brothers suit like that? I mean, other than Dad's old commie nemesis and Harvard fencing club foe Alger Hiss.


But there is an even more compelling reason to support Barack Obama: Sarah Palin.

If you are a conservative like me, you guffawed when you heard John McCain announced this declasse rube as a running mate, followed by good-natured applause, thinking it was some sort of whimsical campus prank he was reenacting from his Annapolis years. This was, of course, quickly followed the shock of realizing that he wasn't joking, and all that Hanoi unpleasantness had finally driven him around the bend.

It's an inescapable conclusion that this woman has, in 6 short weeks, single-handedly destroyed the Republican party. Certainly George Bush may share some of the blame; but we conservatives must remember how our hopes were buoyed by his impressive bloodlines and Yale degree before we realized his excursion to Texas had caused him to "go native." But la Palin offers true conservatives no such extenuating graces. I mean, my God, this woman is simply awful; the elided vowels, the beauty pageantry, the guns, the crude non-Episcopal protestantism, the embarrassing porchload of children with horrifying hillbilly names, the white after Labor Day. As fellow conservative commentator Andrew Sullivan quipped to me the other day outside a Martha's Vineyard antique shop, it's gratifying to know the Gipper isn't alive to see what has become of his party.

But it's not just American conservatives who are appalled. Just last week conservative New York Times columnist David Brooks and I were enjoying an apres-badminton apertif at the family weekend house in Montauk with my good friend Viscount Klaus-Maria Von Wallensheim, the conservative EU Agricultural Pricing Minister with whom I shared an Alpine chalet and manservant during our years as classmates at a Swiss boarding school. "Kloonkie" (my old school appellation for the Viscount) reported the growing dismay of the Continental Right over Palin's embarrassing enthusiasm for childbirth and Israel.

"Coddsie, old chap," he warned, "You know I've always been America's biggest defender in Monaco. But if you elect this ill-bred charwoman, I will be forced to move anchor to St. Tropez out of pure shame."

David and I were left nodding silently, for how else could we respond? If Palin has lost Kloonkie, she has surely lost the entire conservative movement. The idea of this dreadful woman in Washington is almost too much to contemplate. Not only would it be a fashion disaster, one can scarcely imagine the White House social calendar -- mooseburger fetes to that ghastly Joe the Plumber, perhaps followed by snow machine derbies through the Rose Garden?

For now, we conservatives must do what we can to sabotage the ill-fated McCain-Palin fiasco and hope for the best. Once the election is over we can lick our wounds, read the entrails, and decide where the movement should go from here. In anticipation, the Topsider will be holding a top-level exclusive strategy conference in Nassau next January, featuring tout le monde of conservative intellectuals from the Back Bay Review, The Prospective Standard, National Bowtie, and The Swarthmorean. If you are attending, please be advised that gentlemen's jackets will be mandatory after six PM.

Until then, do not despair; the election of Mr. Obama means that at least some conservatives will still have a place at the table. I do hope I get seated next to this William Ayers fellow -- I've heard he has some amazingly droll anecdotes!

[mraynrand]

Many on this board have posited that Colin Powell has endorsed Obama strictly on race.

Is this also true for Buckley jr., Chris Hitchens, Smerconish, and Charles Fried?

I would particularly be interested to hear why RR's solicitor general and Republican/strict constructionist icon would endorse Obama.

Your intellectual dishonesty has been noted.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Add Kenny Duberstein to the list. What is it about RR guys succumbing to the one.

"Even at McDonalds you get interviewed three times," he said, calling the verdict of the people "resounding" on Palin's unreadiness.

Guess it's all about race for Duberstein too, huh?

P.S. Kinda funny Howard, but this type of thing reached its apotheosis with O'rourke's Republican Party Reptile.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Many on this board have posited that Colin Powell has endorsed Obama strictly on race.

Is this also true for Buckley jr., Chris Hitchens, Smerconish, and Charles Fried?

I would particularly be interested to hear why RR's solicitor general and Republican/strict constructionist icon would endorse Obama.

Your intellectual dishonesty has been noted.

So, you won't be joining your fellow conservatives in voting for Obama? :lol:

[hoosier]

Many on this board have posited that Colin Powell has endorsed Obama strictly on race.

Is this also true for Buckley jr., Chris Hitchens, Smerconish, and Charles Fried?

I would particularly be interested to hear why RR's solicitor general and Republican/strict constructionist icon would endorse Obama.

Buckley is black???? :lol:

Is it just me or is our fancy highend MrAynrand dvd player skipping a lot these days?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Many on this board have posited that Colin Powell has endorsed Obama strictly on race.

Is this also true for Buckley jr., Chris Hitchens, Smerconish, and Charles Fried?

I would particularly be interested to hear why RR's solicitor general and Republican/strict constructionist icon would endorse Obama.

Buckley is black???? :lol:

Is it just me or is our fancy highend MrAynrand dvd player skipping a lot these days?

Rand is stuck between stage one and two of the Kubler-Ross model of grief. Denial and Anger.

Bargaining should be hilarious.

[hoosier]

Many on this board have posited that Colin Powell has endorsed Obama strictly on race.

Is this also true for Buckley jr., Chris Hitchens, Smerconish, and Charles Fried?

I would particularly be interested to hear why RR's solicitor general and Republican/strict constructionist icon would endorse Obama.

Buckley is black???? :lol:

Is it just me or is our fancy highend MrAynrand dvd player skipping a lot these days?

Rand is stuck between stage one and two of the Kubler-Ross model of grief. Denial and Anger.

Bargaining should be hilarious.

What's the last phase called? Acceptance? What do you think acceptance will look like?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Many on this board have posited that Colin Powell has endorsed Obama strictly on race.

Is this also true for Buckley jr., Chris Hitchens, Smerconish, and Charles Fried?

I would particularly be interested to hear why RR's solicitor general and Republican/strict constructionist icon would endorse Obama.

Buckley is black???? :lol:

Is it just me or is our fancy highend MrAynrand dvd player skipping a lot these days?

Rand is stuck between stage one and two of the Kubler-Ross model of grief. Denial and Anger.

Bargaining should be hilarious.

What's the last phase called? Acceptance? What do you think acceptance will look like?

Well, based on his posts...i'm sure he is making sure the bomb shelter from the 80s is up to code.

[MJZiggy]

Many on this board have posited that Colin Powell has endorsed Obama strictly on race.

Is this also true for Buckley jr., Chris Hitchens, Smerconish, and Charles Fried?

I would particularly be interested to hear why RR's solicitor general and Republican/strict constructionist icon would endorse Obama.

Buckley is black???? :lol:

Is it just me or is our fancy highend MrAynrand dvd player skipping a lot these days?

Rand is stuck between stage one and two of the Kubler-Ross model of grief. Denial and Anger.

Bargaining should be hilarious.

What's the last phase called? Acceptance? What do you think acceptance will look like?

Hell layered in ice?

[Partial]

Obama is the only racist I know.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Obama is the only racist I know.

Please at least attempt to stay on topic.

[MJZiggy]

Obama is the only racist I know.

You know Obama???? Phenomenal!!! Where'd you meet?

[HowardRoark]

Many on this board have posited that Colin Powell has endorsed Obama strictly on race.

Is this also true for Buckley jr., Chris Hitchens, Smerconish, and Charles Fried?

I would particularly be interested to hear why RR's solicitor general and Republican/strict constructionist icon would endorse Obama.

Buckley is black???? :lol:

Is it just me or is our fancy highend MrAynrand dvd player skipping a lot these days?

Rand is stuck between stage one and two of the Kubler-Ross model of grief. Denial and Anger.

Bargaining should be hilarious.

What's the last phase called? Acceptance? What do you think acceptance will look like?

http://www.nps.gov/manz/planyourvisit/images/Belbaltlag--1932.gif

[hoosier]

Many on this board have posited that Colin Powell has endorsed Obama strictly on race.

Is this also true for Buckley jr., Chris Hitchens, Smerconish, and Charles Fried?

I would particularly be interested to hear why RR's solicitor general and Republican/strict constructionist icon would endorse Obama.

Buckley is black???? :lol:

Is it just me or is our fancy highend MrAynrand dvd player skipping a lot these days?

Rand is stuck between stage one and two of the Kubler-Ross model of grief. Denial and Anger.

Bargaining should be hilarious.

What's the last phase called? Acceptance? What do you think acceptance will look like?

http://www.nps.gov/manz/planyourvisit/images/Belbaltlag--1932.gif

Is that you, Howie? I have to say, that hat has seen better days. What size are you?

[HowardRoark]

Many on this board have posited that Colin Powell has endorsed Obama strictly on race.

Is this also true for Buckley jr., Chris Hitchens, Smerconish, and Charles Fried?

I would particularly be interested to hear why RR's solicitor general and Republican/strict constructionist icon would endorse Obama.

Buckley is black???? :lol:

Is it just me or is our fancy highend MrAynrand dvd player skipping a lot these days?

Rand is stuck between stage one and two of the Kubler-Ross model of grief. Denial and Anger.

Bargaining should be hilarious.

What's the last phase called? Acceptance? What do you think acceptance will look like?

http://www.nps.gov/manz/planyourvisit/images/Belbaltlag--1932.gif

Is that you, Howie? I have to say, that hat has seen better days. What size are you?

Why? Does Heinrich Himmler need to get me a new cap?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s&eurl=http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-plans-for-civilian-security-force.html

[hoosier]

Many on this board have posited that Colin Powell has endorsed Obama strictly on race.

Is this also true for Buckley jr., Chris Hitchens, Smerconish, and Charles Fried?

I would particularly be interested to hear why RR's solicitor general and Republican/strict constructionist icon would endorse Obama.

Buckley is black???? :lol:

Is it just me or is our fancy highend MrAynrand dvd player skipping a lot these days?

Rand is stuck between stage one and two of the Kubler-Ross model of grief. Denial and Anger.

Bargaining should be hilarious.

What's the last phase called? Acceptance? What do you think acceptance will look like?

http://www.nps.gov/manz/planyourvisit/images/Belbaltlag--1932.gif

Is that you, Howie? I have to say, that hat has seen better days. What size are you?

Why? Does Heinrich Himmler need to get me a new cap?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s&eurl=http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-plans-for-civilian-security-force.html

Once the shock of defeat wears off I'm sure y'all are going to do a great job of constituting a loyal opposition while spending a decade or two in the desert mapping out the rise of the neo-neo-conservative movement from out of the ashes of the W administration.

[bobblehead]

Many on this board have posited that Colin Powell has endorsed Obama strictly on race.

Is this also true for Buckley jr., Chris Hitchens, Smerconish, and Charles Fried?

I would particularly be interested to hear why RR's solicitor general and Republican/strict constructionist icon would endorse Obama.

I don't get it, you have told me that conservatives were rascists, now you are trying to make the point that a conservative isn't a rascist? What gives, I can't follow your logic.

[sheepshead]

Many on this board have posited that Colin Powell has endorsed Obama strictly on race.

Is this also true for Buckley jr., Chris Hitchens, Smerconish, and Charles Fried?

I would particularly be interested to hear why RR's solicitor general and Republican/strict constructionist icon would endorse Obama.

Powell didnt run for president back in the 90's because he's black. His reason, not mine. It's obviously important to him. For most of us Ty, race issues have become boring to evolving to insulting having to apologize for being a white middle aged male.

Bottom line, most of us dont care what color a guys skin is. All the inference to the assumption that somehow it's important to us becomes insulting and tiresome.

[MJZiggy]

He didn't run in the 90's because he's black and didn't think a black man could win. It costs a whole lotta money to run for prez and if he didn't think he could win, then at the time it was likely a decision of economy and expenditure of massive time and effort. I wish he had run in 2000. I believe the country would be much better off.

[mraynrand]

What's the last phase called? Acceptance? What do you think acceptance will look like?

http://www.nps.gov/manz/planyourvisit/images/Belbaltlag--1932.gif

Damn that's funny.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Many on this board have posited that Colin Powell has endorsed Obama strictly on race.

Is this also true for Buckley jr., Chris Hitchens, Smerconish, and Charles Fried?

I would particularly be interested to hear why RR's solicitor general and Republican/strict constructionist icon would endorse Obama.

I don't get it, you have told me that conservatives were rascists, now you are trying to make the point that a conservative isn't a rascist? What gives, I can't follow your logic.

I never said all conservatives were racist. I presented a "square is a rectangle, but not all rectangles are squares" argument.

In an earlier thread, it was postulated by the conservatives that Colin Powell was endorsing Obama strictly on race. So, i presented some other conservatives that are endorsing him...surely they are doing it because of race. :roll:

[mraynrand]

In an earlier thread, it was postulated by the conservatives that Colin Powell was endorsing Obama strictly on race.

Again, perhaps by some, but I doubt it was very many that believed it was strictly based on race . Most conservatives agreed that race was A FACTOR. Getting back at Bush, repairing his rep, perhaps securing a position in the new administration, etc, are other factors. Most liberals who can think know it was multi-factorial too

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[Tyrone Bigguns]

There were plenty..and not one was saying what you just said.

More importantly...as you said..there were some. They made argument.

But, i've noted that not one conservative will answer why these conservs are endorsing Obama.

You can keep up with the attack on me...doesn't both me one bit. But, it just shows how bankrupt you are.

[mraynrand]

There were plenty..and not one was saying what you just said.

More importantly...as you said..there were some. They made argument.

But, i've noted that not one conservative will answer why these conservs are endorsing Obama.

You can keep up with the attack on me...doesn't both me one bit. But, it just shows how bankrupt you are.

Honestly, I think some conserves (Hitchens?? conservative??) don't think Palin is qualified, and others don't like McCain because he's too liberal. It's hard to tell with a guy like Buckley because the reasons he stated don't make any sense.

Again, I said that there might be some conserves who thought Powell's race was STRICTLY the reason, but I don't know who they are. Please identify them, with evidence.

[hoosier]

our dvd player is skipping again :(

[gex]

After reading the conservatives on this forum, I believe that most of them ARE closet racists. :oops:
At least that is how they come across with their disdain for certain groups.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

There were plenty..and not one was saying what you just said.

More importantly...as you said..there were some. They made argument.

But, i've noted that not one conservative will answer why these conservs are endorsing Obama.

You can keep up with the attack on me...doesn't both me one bit. But, it just shows how bankrupt you are.

Honestly, I think some conserves (Hitchens?? conservative??) don't think Palin is qualified, and others don't like McCain because he's too liberal. It's hard to tell with a guy like Buckley because the reasons he stated don't make any sense.

Again, I said that there might be some conserves who thought Powell's race was STRICTLY the reason, but I don't know who they are. Please identify them, with evidence.

Race: When i have time. I did a quick search of "powell" and a 19 page thread in which i believe that argument was made was returned..i don't have the fortitude to go thru it right now. Though, i can say with 99% certainly that Tex and 98% that Sheep posited it had to do with being black.

Hitchens is certainly a conserative. But, what about the two RR guys.

Buckley: Made sense to me. Perhaps you need to think about why it doesn't make sense to you.

So, are those conservs angry enough about Palin to vote for a ultra liberal Dem valid? Does their criticism of Palin ring true to you? Or are they just idiots?

Some of us liberals who criticized Palin were saying the same things....are we idiots, disengenous..or do we have a valid reasons for thinking she isn't qualified?

Personally, i can't thank Mac enough for that pick. While it energized the conservative base..it alienated moderates, intellectual republicans (buckleys, hitchens, etc) and eradicated any hope of courting independents.

[mraynrand]

So, are those conservs angry enough about Palin to vote for a ultra liberal Dem valid? Does their criticism of Palin ring true to you? Or are they just idiots?

Some of us liberals who criticized Palin were saying the same things....are we idiots, disengenous..or do we have a valid reasons for thinking she isn't qualified?

I started a thread on that.

The arguments I don't buy were made by Buckley and some lady Kathleen Parker. Will overdid it, but his concerns were valid. Lib criticisms were mostly way over the top.

Hitchens conservative? Maybe ala carte.

[HowardRoark]

Personally, i can't thank Mac enough for that pick. While it energized the conservative base..it alienated moderates, intellectual republicans (buckleys, hitchens, etc) and eradicated any hope of courting independents.

That was his Dad. The kid is just living off the legacy. And Noonan is a uppity bitch.

[HowardRoark]

After reading the conservatives on this forum, I believe that most of them ARE closet racists. :oops:
At least that is how they come across with their disdain for certain groups.

I think you are a racist.

[mraynrand]

After reading the conservatives on this forum, I believe that most of them ARE closet racists. :oops:
At least that is how they come across with their disdain for certain groups.

I think you are a racist.

Is it racist to have 'disdain' for the far lefties?

[bobblehead]

After reading the conservatives on this forum, I believe that most of them ARE closet racists. :oops:
At least that is how they come across with their disdain for certain groups.

Care to name names or just like making blanket accusations??