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texaspackerbacker
11-07-2008, 05:37 AM
I'm throwing my support in that direction as of now, rather than to Sarah Palin.

Palin was effectively "Dan Quayle"ed by the leftist assholes of the mainstream media, along with, apparently, some of the McCain "moderates". She probably is damaged goods. Likely, her best future course, like another famous female on the other side, is to have a career in the Senate. If/when Ted Stevens resigns or is expelled from the Senate, Palin can appoint herself to fill his term--which just began.

Back to Jindal, I honestly don't know too much about him--really just three very relevant facts: He is young and attractive--which apparently means a lot these days; He did a good competent job in this year's hurricane season--in stark contrast to his predecessor; And probably most importantly, Rush Limbaugh was an early supporter of his--solidifying his conservative credentials in my book.

Hopefully, Jindal has up to now and will continue to keep his nose clean--something apparently rare in Louisiana politics.

Hopefully he will be THE ONE to bring down THAT ONE.

Tarlam!
11-07-2008, 07:05 AM
Tex, I think you should give Obama your full support until at least the next primaries start taking shape. He needs every world citizen now to get this planet back on a spinning access, including you.

You might not like it, but you and your brethren are currently a major minority. The entire world is against you. For you, far worse will be that the vast majority of your countrymen/women are against you.

The world needs Obama to succeed. Wants Obama to succeed. Before the election, I was squarely for McCain. I still think he was the right medicine. But a different medicine has been subscribed by your elections and I, my Children and my other family and friends are praying it cures the cancers left behind by the Bush Admin.

I know I am not an American and have zero to say about whom you'all vote. But if you continue to claim the "Leader of the Free World Throne" as your divine right, you will continue to get at least my opinions.

What I find dazzling is people like Nutz want "isolationism" and still want Free World Leadership. Hypocrisy knows no boundaries.

Harlan Huckleby
11-07-2008, 10:14 AM
Do you really want some guy from the South named "Bobby"? How did you like Jimmy?

mraynrand
11-07-2008, 10:39 AM
Do you really want some guy from the South named "Bobby"? How did you like Jimmy?

Jindal and Carter are like two peanuts in a pod.

LL2
11-07-2008, 11:00 AM
I agree with Texas. Palin has been "Quayled". She was also mismanaged by the McCain campaign. I wouldn't be surprised to see her run in the primaries in a few years. I think she should stay a governor, as that gives the best government executive experience.

I think Jindal probably will have a good chance and at this point the only one to seriously challenge The Fraud. Everything I've read about him so far I like. He's been downplaying a 2012 run for the presidency, but he's also building a profile by traveling and doing fundraisers in other states. I believe later this month is speaking in Iowa (the first primary stop). He has several good things going for him in that he is young (only 37) and he can attract minority votes.

Harlan Huckleby
11-07-2008, 11:04 AM
I agree with Texas. Palin has been "Quayled". She was also mismanaged by the McCain campaign.

I think Palin is very bright and articulate.

I don't know whether Quayle is bright, but he sure as hell isn't articulate.

not a good comparison.

Certainly Palin was over-prepped for some interviews. But hell, face it, she was not ready for the national stage. Look how much better Obama got over the last year of campaigning, he was a rookie too. Palin had no time to get her sea legs.

LL2
11-07-2008, 11:25 AM
I agree with Texas. Palin has been "Quayled". She was also mismanaged by the McCain campaign.

1. I think Palin is very bright and articulate.

2. I don't know whether Quayle is bright, but he sure as hell isn't articulate.

not a good comparison.

3. Certainly Palin was over-prepped for some interviews. But hell, face it, she was not ready for the national stage. Look how much better Obama got over the last year of campaigning, he was a rookie too. Palin had no time to get her sea legs.

1. I agree. What I meant by "Quayled" is that she has been pigeon holed as an idiot.

2. Quayle is actually a lot smarter than most people give him credit for. He's actually a VP at Cerberus Capital, which owns and manages several companies. He has done very well for himself since he left politics.

3. Very true. She had NO time to prepare for the national stage.

texaspackerbacker
11-07-2008, 11:46 AM
Do you really want some guy from the South named "Bobby"? How did you like Jimmy?

Jindal and Carter are like two peanuts in a pod.

Tell me you're kidding, Aynrand.

Tarlam, I'm not gonna try and tear you up over your comments, as I know you are as close to truly bipartisan and middle-of-the-road as anybody.

Just the same, the CHANGE--that sick dirty word that Obama has in mind--is NOT some goody goody harmless "let's all get along" kind of thing. What he and his kind seek to do is to basically rock the world of good normal Americans--fundamentally CHANGING the economic system that has made us the most prosperous country in the world as well as tearing away at the culture, values, and traditions of America with his policies and judicial appointments. That's not the worst of it, though. free enterprise capitalism and American traditions and values may not mean much to "world citizens" over there in Europe anyway.

The worst consequence of an Obama presidency is the greatly enhanced threat of terrorism. Why? Because Obama opposes ALL of the things that have prevented repeats of 9/11 up to now--interventionist (cowboy approach) foreign policy, monitoring of terrorist communications, locking up terrorists without due process--which as non-American citizens, they aren't entitled to anyway, and harsh interrogation of those terrorist prisoners.

And guess what, Tarlam. If/when terrorist hits come, they are likely to be more and worse over there in Europe--if for no other reason, geographic proximity. The intel gathered by Bush policies that won't be there with Obama policies has undoubtedly saved lives in Europe on many occasions.

Harlan, I hope you're right about Governor (and hopefully, soon to be Senator) Palin still having a chance in the future, but I doubt it. I think the assholes of the leftist mainstream media have successfully destroyed her as a future presidential candidate, at least.

mraynrand
11-07-2008, 12:01 PM
I agree with Texas. Palin has been "Quayled". She was also mismanaged by the McCain campaign.

I think Palin is very bright and articulate.

I don't know whether Quayle is bright, but he sure as hell isn't articulate.

not a good comparison.

Certainly Palin was over-prepped for some interviews. But hell, face it, she was not ready for the national stage. Look how much better Obama got over the last year of campaigning, he was a rookie too. Palin had no time to get her sea legs.

that made me chuckle. I agree and As I said before in my Palin: The Problem thread, I think Palin by upbringing, by nature, and by ideology represents conservatives very well. If she wants to remain a national figure going forward, she has to get well versed and immersed in national economic and foreign policy issues - and then speak out on them in clear terms - much like Reagan did in his speeches and radio addresses. Perhaps going the Senator route will work, I don't know.

Tarlam!
11-07-2008, 01:17 PM
Tex, you won't believe it, but you don't live in the most prosperous land. Norway and Iceland are far more prosperous thank oil and fishing respectively. And that's off the top of my head without research.

But to really tackle your claim I would need your definition. Maybe, you define prosperity differently. Then I would be in deep water.

I admire your staunch position. Really I do. I still stay with my beliefs that you need to give P-E Obama a chance to fail before you call his presidency a failure. The entire world is sick and tired of Bush and, unlike myself, most people wanted Obama. But I admit, I am no longer a Bush fan, more a Bush tolerater.

I think he has not qualified himself for this position, but now that he has it, I am on board. I would hope that he didn't get elected, just because he is black. That would be a tradegy, for blacks and the world.

My point to you is, stop lobbying against your president until Obama, as POTHUSA has at least deserved it. Otherwise, it just sounds like sour grapes.

HowardRoark
11-07-2008, 01:39 PM
Leading up to the election, I took a lot of stock of my place in the United States. Taking long walks in the rain and stopping to smell the roses...that, and a few cases of Grain Belt, I had to face the ugly truth: I am a victim.

With that, I started on my journey of finding a new place to live. At first, I thought Iceland would be the spot. I would be short flight to the trendy Socialists in Europe, and I could always fly back to the crude and tacky upper Midwest to visit my old comrades. That, and the women are supposed to have wonderfully high cheek bones. It doesn't hurt to have hot chicks wandering around on my journey out of my victimhood.

But alas, it turns out Iceland has gone bankrupt.

http://www.businessweek.com/print/globalbiz/content/oct2008/gb2008108_036648.htm

I continue on my quest. I am looking into Mexico, but recently discovered it is in the Southern Hemisphere. I don't like typhoons. Although if I am hit by a typhoon I could get myself into a whole new sort of "victimhood".....ka-ching!!

Tarlam!
11-07-2008, 02:32 PM
But alas, it turns out Iceland has gone bankrupt.



Ah, who needs money when the woman have high cheek bones??

Thanks for posting, Howard. I love the place personally and I am really sorry that they are struggling...

Tyrone Bigguns
11-07-2008, 03:08 PM
I agree with Texas. Palin has been "Quayled". She was also mismanaged by the McCain campaign.

1. I think Palin is very bright and articulate.

2. I don't know whether Quayle is bright, but he sure as hell isn't articulate.

not a good comparison.

3. Certainly Palin was over-prepped for some interviews. But hell, face it, she was not ready for the national stage. Look how much better Obama got over the last year of campaigning, he was a rookie too. Palin had no time to get her sea legs.

1. I agree. What I meant by "Quayled" is that she has been pigeon holed as an idiot.

2. Quayle is actually a lot smarter than most people give him credit for. He's actually a VP at Cerberus Capital, which owns and manages several companies. He has done very well for himself since he left politics.

3. Very true. She had NO time to prepare for the national stage.

You need to get off the crack.

The fact that Quayle wasn't involved in the family business should tell you everything you need to know....but, i'll spell it out for you. When your own family fears you aren't competent to run the biz, they put you into politics so you can help it that way. That is a long standing American tradition.

As for being a VP of CC...titles mean nothing. He didn't work there long...remember, he ran for prez in 99. He joined in 00. Quayle serves as spokesman and runs an international division. Yet, he has no finance background. You think he is there for name recognition? His specialty is marketing thru his extensive network. He is no John Snow.

sheepshead
11-07-2008, 05:22 PM
Whats great about the Jindal election, is how quickly the good people of Louisiana recognized that the president of the US is not in charge of cleaning up after hurricanes. Regardless of what Keith Olbermann says. They voted everyone (with the notable exception of that dimwit Ray Nagin) out of office. For 60 years that state has been under democrat rule, with corruption, high, out of control welfare, crumbling infrastructure (the real reason for all the damage and deaths). They realize the federal government is not there to mother them. The only reactive entity that the feds have is the military and it cannot be used on US soil. FEMA is not a responsive reactive entity. The powers that be there in 2005 could not and/or would not give a shit about their people before or after that thing.

Trust me Jindal would never let that happen again.

texaspackerbacker
11-07-2008, 05:43 PM
Tex, you won't believe it, but you don't live in the most prosperous land. Norway and Iceland are far more prosperous thank oil and fishing respectively. And that's off the top of my head without research.

But to really tackle your claim I would need your definition. Maybe, you define prosperity differently. Then I would be in deep water.

I admire your staunch position. Really I do. I still stay with my beliefs that you need to give P-E Obama a chance to fail before you call his presidency a failure. The entire world is sick and tired of Bush and, unlike myself, most people wanted Obama. But I admit, I am no longer a Bush fan, more a Bush tolerater.

I think he has not qualified himself for this position, but now that he has it, I am on board. I would hope that he didn't get elected, just because he is black. That would be a tradegy, for blacks and the world.

My point to you is, stop lobbying against your president until Obama, as POTHUSA has at least deserved it. Otherwise, it just sounds like sour grapes.

Yeah, Tarlam, I've heard that line too--those two countries and whatever others are better off than America. Aside from the very valid point Howard brought up about Iceland going bankrupt, you are buying into the propaganda the America-hating left and their media allies are spewing.

Regardless of what statistical deception they can come up with, it is totally beyond comprehension that the standard of living and lifestyle in those two or ANY country could be anywhere near our own, all things considered. You've spent time here and in Europe. Would you honestly say people live as good over there as here?

As for cutting Obama some slack, I think there will be a degree of that. What else can we do when the bad guys have the presidency, both houses of Congress, the media, the education establishment, etc.? Just the same, what do you see as so wrong about expressing the firm well-thought-out expectation--based on what obama himself states his plans and policies are--that he will SCREW UP THE COUNTRY AND VERY POSSIBLY, THE WORLD? Over here, at least, we still have freedom of speech--another thing Obama intends to restrict (check out the Fairness Doctrine).

Sheepshead, chalk up the Nagin re-election to the same kind of blind racism that got Obama elected.

LL2
11-07-2008, 06:16 PM
I agree with Texas. Palin has been "Quayled". She was also mismanaged by the McCain campaign.

1. I think Palin is very bright and articulate.

2. I don't know whether Quayle is bright, but he sure as hell isn't articulate.

not a good comparison.

3. Certainly Palin was over-prepped for some interviews. But hell, face it, she was not ready for the national stage. Look how much better Obama got over the last year of campaigning, he was a rookie too. Palin had no time to get her sea legs.

1. I agree. What I meant by "Quayled" is that she has been pigeon holed as an idiot.

2. Quayle is actually a lot smarter than most people give him credit for. He's actually a VP at Cerberus Capital, which owns and manages several companies. He has done very well for himself since he left politics.

3. Very true. She had NO time to prepare for the national stage.

You need to get off the crack.



You still got the good stuff?

Tarlam!
11-07-2008, 07:18 PM
Yeah, Tarlam, I've heard that line too--those two countries and whatever others are better off than America. Aside from the very valid point Howard brought up about Iceland going bankrupt, you are buying into the propaganda the America-hating left and their media allies are spewing.

No mate, I am not prone to gobbling up media crap. I tend to form my own opinions. Obviously, Iceland doesn't go bankrupt if the world economy doesn't go tits up. But the seem to be and so, I must renig on that statement.


Regardless of what statistical deception they can come up with, it is totally beyond comprehension that the standard of living and lifestyle in those two or ANY country could be anywhere near our own, all things considered. You've spent time here and in Europe. Would you honestly say people live as good over there as here?

Well, if you call ZERO unemployment or poverty any type of standard of living, I would say, USA loses. Until Iceland bankrupt, that was the case. I've been to both places and you can really take it from me, the people there have a far higher standard of living than you do, on average. Indeed, australians compare quite well to you, also.


Just the same, what do you see as so wrong about expressing the firm well-thought-out expectation--based on what obama himself states his plans and policies are--that he will SCREW UP THE COUNTRY AND VERY POSSIBLY, THE WORLD? Over here, at least, we still have freedom of speech--another thing Obama intends to restrict (check out the Fairness Doctrine).

I'm in now way denying anybody freedom of speech. I just pointed out that, as an outsider, I find it a little early to condemn P-E Obama and start cheering for his successor when he hasn't even taken office yet. If I am an American, I shut my gob until February and see if he's the same dude.

Kyle.McCarroll
11-07-2008, 09:50 PM
He is young and attractive--which apparently means a lot these days; .

WHAT?? :shock:

Now, first off, this isn't gay. I am comfortable enough in my sexuality to talk about other men.

Second, he is not attractive. He is small, skinny, and looks like a NYC cab driver. There is nothing physically appealing about this guy.

MJZiggy
11-07-2008, 10:00 PM
Michelle begs to differ. I think he's fairly handsome.

HowardRoark
11-07-2008, 10:01 PM
Michelle begs to differ. I think he's fairly handsome.

I think you are confusing your black and/or brown skinned men.

yes we can

http://www.getreligion.org/wp-content/photos/hn_bobby_jindal.jpg

mraynrand
11-07-2008, 10:08 PM
He comes from humble entrepreneurial beginnings

http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2006/02/16/inside-hindu-apu.jpg

texaspackerbacker
11-07-2008, 10:22 PM
He is young and attractive--which apparently means a lot these days; .

WHAT?? :shock:

Now, first off, this isn't gay. I am comfortable enough in my sexuality to talk about other men.

Second, he is not attractive. He is small, skinny, and looks like a NYC cab driver. There is nothing physically appealing about this guy.

This isn't really a discussion I want to get into. My point was that the nation has been conditioned to think crap like attractiveness is important in a politician.

As for Jindal looking good or not, I'll give you a big "whatever" on that. I honestly never took a very good look at him. Maybe you are right. However, when the electorate gets so infatuated with a God damned Steve Erkel look alike, the standard can't be all that high.

You'd have a lot more credibility in your attractiveness comments if you folowed them up by saying something "nevertheless, the substance of Jindal's conservative positions is outstanding". If you're just typical leftist hatemonger, that's another story.

th87
11-08-2008, 06:29 AM
Psycho Jindal makes Palin look like Pelosi. Authorized physical castration of sex offenders (this is unconstitutional).

Nobody outside of Dixie will take this guy seriously.

Kyle.McCarroll
11-08-2008, 10:07 AM
Michelle begs to differ. I think he's fairly handsome.

I was talking about Jindal, not Obama. Obama is sexy. :wink: :shock:

Kyle.McCarroll
11-08-2008, 10:12 AM
He is young and attractive--which apparently means a lot these days; .

WHAT?? :shock:

Now, first off, this isn't gay. I am comfortable enough in my sexuality to talk about other men.

Second, he is not attractive. He is small, skinny, and looks like a NYC cab driver. There is nothing physically appealing about this guy.

This isn't really a discussion I want to get into. My point was that the nation has been conditioned to think crap like attractiveness is important in a politician.

As for Jindal looking good or not, I'll give you a big "whatever" on that. I honestly never took a very good look at him. Maybe you are right. However, when the electorate gets so infatuated with a God damned Steve Erkel look alike, the standard can't be all that high.

You'd have a lot more credibility in your attractiveness comments if you folowed them up by saying something "nevertheless, the substance of Jindal's conservative positions is outstanding". If you're just typical leftist hatemonger, that's another story.

So, if I would have shared some kind of political opinion with that post, my taste in men would be more credible? :wink:

The fact that I didn't make some sort of a comment is because I do not know enough about Gov. Jindal to make an intelligent one. Nevertheless, I would vote for Jindal over Obama if that election was held tomorrow. I'm sure that tells you all you need to know about my political affiliations.

bobblehead
11-09-2008, 01:49 AM
Psycho Jindal makes Palin look like Pelosi. Authorized physical castration of sex offenders (this is unconstitutional).

Nobody outside of Dixie will take this guy seriously.

News flash...when you commit federal crimes you lose certain protections under the constitution.

th87
11-09-2008, 04:07 AM
Psycho Jindal makes Palin look like Pelosi. Authorized physical castration of sex offenders (this is unconstitutional).

Nobody outside of Dixie will take this guy seriously.

News flash...when you commit federal crimes you lose certain protections under the constitution.

Except the old "cruel and unusual punishment" thing.

texaspackerbacker
11-09-2008, 10:34 AM
Psycho Jindal makes Palin look like Pelosi. Authorized physical castration of sex offenders (this is unconstitutional).

Nobody outside of Dixie will take this guy seriously.

News flash...when you commit federal crimes you lose certain protections under the constitution.

Except the old "cruel and unusual punishment" thing.

Seems like I used the same response line in your post over in the Packer forum.

I agree with you, but I'm not so sure that's a good thing.

texaspackerbacker
11-09-2008, 10:39 AM
He is young and attractive--which apparently means a lot these days; .

WHAT?? :shock:

Now, first off, this isn't gay. I am comfortable enough in my sexuality to talk about other men.

Second, he is not attractive. He is small, skinny, and looks like a NYC cab driver. There is nothing physically appealing about this guy.

This isn't really a discussion I want to get into. My point was that the nation has been conditioned to think crap like attractiveness is important in a politician.

As for Jindal looking good or not, I'll give you a big "whatever" on that. I honestly never took a very good look at him. Maybe you are right. However, when the electorate gets so infatuated with a God damned Steve Erkel look alike, the standard can't be all that high.

You'd have a lot more credibility in your attractiveness comments if you folowed them up by saying something "nevertheless, the substance of Jindal's conservative positions is outstanding". If you're just typical leftist hatemonger, that's another story.

So, if I would have shared some kind of political opinion with that post, my taste in men would be more credible? :wink:

The fact that I didn't make some sort of a comment is because I do not know enough about Gov. Jindal to make an intelligent one. Nevertheless, I would vote for Jindal over Obama if that election was held tomorrow. I'm sure that tells you all you need to know about my political affiliations.

Thank you, Kyle. I thought I remembered that you as a decent conservative , but I just wasn't sure. What's with this "taste in men" stuff? You aren't one of those "log cabin" guys, are you?

Kyle.McCarroll
11-10-2008, 10:19 AM
Thank you, Kyle. I thought I remembered that you as a decent conservative , but I just wasn't sure. What's with this "taste in men" stuff? You aren't one of those "log cabin" guys, are you?

Just "screwing" around. :wink:

bobblehead
11-10-2008, 05:49 PM
Psycho Jindal makes Palin look like Pelosi. Authorized physical castration of sex offenders (this is unconstitutional).

Nobody outside of Dixie will take this guy seriously.

News flash...when you commit federal crimes you lose certain protections under the constitution.

Except the old "cruel and unusual punishment" thing.

given the repeat offense % I would say it is up to the courts to decide if its cruel and unusual. Cruel and unusual refers to the penalties not being reasonable for the crime. I think casteration for sex offenders (especially against kids, or repeat offenders) is very reasonable.

mraynrand
11-10-2008, 06:44 PM
Jindal makes Palin look like Pelosi.

If this is true, there is no way I can vote for him. Our nation cannot survive an assault of this kind on female attractiveness.

Freak Out
11-11-2008, 07:41 PM
Palin is waiting for word from God it seems. The comments on these stories are a riot.

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/585479.html

Palin wouldn't oppose call to seek presidency

(11/11/08 10:07:55)

WASILLA - Gov. Sarah Palin says she wouldn't hesitate to run for the presidency in four years if it's God's will, even though she never thought Campaign 2008 would be "as brutal a ride as it turned out to be."

In a series of interviews in the wake of last week's elections, Palin said she had no problem with Republican presidential nominee John McCain but that she resents rumors she said were spread about her and her family by the Arizona Republican's aides. She emphatically denied that she was a drag on the GOP ticket.

"The economic collapse had a heckuva lot more to do with the campaign's collapse than me personally," the governor said in an interview broadcast today on NBC's "Today" show.

Palin also said "there were a lot of times I wanted to shout out, 'Hey, wait a minute, it's not true.' It's pretty brutal."

Nevertheless, the relatively obscure governor of Alaska, whose selection for the ticket by McCain last August brought excitement - and controversy - to the 2008 campaign, said she would be eager to do it all again under the right circumstances.

"I'm like, OK, God, if there is an open door for me somewhere, this is what I always pray, I'm like, don't let me miss the open door," Palin said in an interview with Fox News on Monday. "And if there is an open door in '12 or four years later, and if it is something that is going to be good for my family, for my state, for my nation, an opportunity for me, then I'll plow through that door."

In the wide-ranging interview, Palin said she neither wanted nor asked for the $150,000-plus wardrobe the Republican Party bankrolled, and thought the issue was an odd one at the end of the campaign, considering "what is going on in the world today."

"I did not order the clothes. Did not ask for the clothes," Palin said. "I would have been happy to have worn my own clothes from Day One. But that is kind of an odd issue, an odd campaign issue as things were wrapping up there as to who ordered what and who demanded what."

"It's amazing that we did as well as we did," the governor said of the election in a separate interview with the Anchorage Daily News.

"The Republican ticket represented too much of the status quo, too much of what had gone on in these last eight years, that Americans were kind of shaking their heads like going, wait a minute, how did we run up a $10 trillion debt in a Republican administration? How have there been blunders with war strategy under a Republican administration? If we're talking change, we want to get far away from what it was that the present administration represented and that is to a great degree what the Republican Party at the time had been representing," Palin said in a story published Sunday.

Palin has scheduled a series of national interviews this week with Fox, NBC's "Today" show and CNN. She also plans to attend the Republican Governors Association conference in Florida this week.

Palin has been mentioned as a possible presidential candidate in 2012. She also could seek re-election in 2010 or challenge Sen. Lisa Murkowski. Still uncertain is the fate of Sen. Ted Stevens, who is leading in his bid for another term but could be ousted by the Senate for his conviction on seven felony counts of failing to report more than $250,000 in gifts, mostly renovations on his home. If Stevens loses his seat, Palin could run for it in a special election.

Palin and McCain's campaign faced a storm of criticism over the tens of thousands of dollars spent at such high-end stores as Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus to dress the nominee. Republican National Committee lawyers are still trying to determine exactly what clothing was bought for Palin, what was returned and what has become of the rest.

MJZiggy
11-11-2008, 07:58 PM
Good heavens, If someone 4 months ago had deemed that I needed to be wearing $150K worth of clothes, I'd have no problem looking through my closet figuring out what needed to go back...

packinpatland
11-11-2008, 08:09 PM
...............the kid's underwear....... :lol:

digitaldean
11-11-2008, 10:32 PM
given the repeat offense % I would say it is up to the courts to decide if its cruel and unusual. Cruel and unusual refers to the penalties not being reasonable for the crime. I think casteration for sex offenders (especially against kids, or repeat offenders) is very reasonable.

Sexual assaults against children are heinous beyond belief.

One of my daughter's former classmates went through years of abuse by her father. (which he now is being tried for). She's now scarred for the rest of her life because of that a-hole. Suffice it to say the mental health toll is enormous.

If castration is "cruel and unusual", then maybe you should live with the parents that have help their kids through the aftermath of that. Part of me would wish something infinitely more heinous on scum like that. The recidivism rate of violent sex offenders is high, so I can understand a state's desire to switch to extreme measures.

th87
11-12-2008, 01:46 AM
given the repeat offense % I would say it is up to the courts to decide if its cruel and unusual. Cruel and unusual refers to the penalties not being reasonable for the crime. I think casteration for sex offenders (especially against kids, or repeat offenders) is very reasonable.

Sexual assaults against children are heinous beyond belief.

One of my daughter's former classmates went through years of abuse by her father. (which he now is being tried for). She's now scarred for the rest of her life because of that a-hole. Suffice it to say the mental health toll is enormous.

If castration is "cruel and unusual", then maybe you should live with the parents that have help their kids through the aftermath of that. Part of me would wish something infinitely more heinous on scum like that. The recidivism rate of violent sex offenders is high, so I can understand a state's desire to switch to extreme measures.

They certainly would deserve it. No disputes there.

But what if they catch the wrong guy?

And America is supposed to be enlightened and better than that. They do things like this in third world dictatorships. We're supposed to be the bigger people. Like if someone was giving you attitude, you can be unenlightened and punch them, or just feel bad for them and move on.

Life imprisonment - fine. Physical harm? No.

Tarlam!
11-12-2008, 05:47 AM
But what if they catch the wrong guy?

In DD's post, he talked about a FATHER abusing his daughter. There are not too many daughters out there, that are going to accuse "the wrong guy" if it's their father, TH.

Cut his fucking balls and dick off and his fucking hands as well. Then, parachute him to an island, where all molesting fathers live, to scavenge for coconuts.

MJZiggy
11-12-2008, 06:21 AM
Coconuts? Are there no islands in the north seas? There has to be an outpost in Siberia somewhere, but let's keep the sanctity of warm tropicals and beach chairs, shall we?

th87
11-12-2008, 08:20 AM
But what if they catch the wrong guy?

In DD's post, he talked about a FATHER abusing his daughter. There are not too many daughters out there, that are going to accuse "the wrong guy" if it's their father, TH.

Cut his fucking balls and dick off and his fucking hands as well. Then, parachute him to an island, where all molesting fathers live, to scavenge for coconuts.

Great. So you'll have a high success rate of catching the father. But then again, what if the father's framed by a vindictive ex wife? Couldn't that happen?

And what about non-family sex offenses? Couldn't they get the wrong guy then?

LL2
11-12-2008, 10:53 AM
Palin is waiting for word from God it seems. The comments on these stories are a riot.

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/585479.html

Palin wouldn't oppose call to seek presidency

(11/11/08 10:07:55)

WASILLA - Gov. Sarah Palin says she wouldn't hesitate to run for the presidency in four years if it's God's will, even though she never thought Campaign 2008 would be "as brutal a ride as it turned out to be."

In a series of interviews in the wake of last week's elections, Palin said she had no problem with Republican presidential nominee John McCain but that she resents rumors she said were spread about her and her family by the Arizona Republican's aides. She emphatically denied that she was a drag on the GOP ticket.

"The economic collapse had a heckuva lot more to do with the campaign's collapse than me personally," the governor said in an interview broadcast today on NBC's "Today" show.

Palin also said "there were a lot of times I wanted to shout out, 'Hey, wait a minute, it's not true.' It's pretty brutal."

Nevertheless, the relatively obscure governor of Alaska, whose selection for the ticket by McCain last August brought excitement - and controversy - to the 2008 campaign, said she would be eager to do it all again under the right circumstances.

"I'm like, OK, God, if there is an open door for me somewhere, this is what I always pray, I'm like, don't let me miss the open door," Palin said in an interview with Fox News on Monday. "And if there is an open door in '12 or four years later, and if it is something that is going to be good for my family, for my state, for my nation, an opportunity for me, then I'll plow through that door."

In the wide-ranging interview, Palin said she neither wanted nor asked for the $150,000-plus wardrobe the Republican Party bankrolled, and thought the issue was an odd one at the end of the campaign, considering "what is going on in the world today."

"I did not order the clothes. Did not ask for the clothes," Palin said. "I would have been happy to have worn my own clothes from Day One. But that is kind of an odd issue, an odd campaign issue as things were wrapping up there as to who ordered what and who demanded what."

"It's amazing that we did as well as we did," the governor said of the election in a separate interview with the Anchorage Daily News.

"The Republican ticket represented too much of the status quo, too much of what had gone on in these last eight years, that Americans were kind of shaking their heads like going, wait a minute, how did we run up a $10 trillion debt in a Republican administration? How have there been blunders with war strategy under a Republican administration? If we're talking change, we want to get far away from what it was that the present administration represented and that is to a great degree what the Republican Party at the time had been representing," Palin said in a story published Sunday.

Palin has scheduled a series of national interviews this week with Fox, NBC's "Today" show and CNN. She also plans to attend the Republican Governors Association conference in Florida this week.

Palin has been mentioned as a possible presidential candidate in 2012. She also could seek re-election in 2010 or challenge Sen. Lisa Murkowski. Still uncertain is the fate of Sen. Ted Stevens, who is leading in his bid for another term but could be ousted by the Senate for his conviction on seven felony counts of failing to report more than $250,000 in gifts, mostly renovations on his home. If Stevens loses his seat, Palin could run for it in a special election.

Palin and McCain's campaign faced a storm of criticism over the tens of thousands of dollars spent at such high-end stores as Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus to dress the nominee. Republican National Committee lawyers are still trying to determine exactly what clothing was bought for Palin, what was returned and what has become of the rest.

Palin is everywhere this week. On Greta Van Susteren, Larry King Live tonight, the The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer. She is even praising Obama right now. She isn't being shielded by McCain anymore. If you ask me McCain was his own albatross.

swede
11-12-2008, 12:10 PM
I caught part of the 2nd interview with Palin on Greta's show.

Palin, I believe, is smart and has good political instincts.

But her elocution makes GW seem like Professor Henry Higgins in comparison.

She is toast, thoroughly Quayled.

Huckabee, however, has been impressing me with his articulate and thoughtful political observations on Fox News. It's hard not to like him.

If America was open-minded enough to overlook Obama's associations with terrorists and racial demagogues, will it overlook the fact that Huckabee is an ordained minister? Probably not. Even I had a hard time with that fact, but golly Huckabee seems smart and likable. Any attempt to parody or lampoon him would be likely to come off petty and inaccurate.

Republican candidates for 2012 will be like those penguins waiting to be first to step off the ice floe into the water with the orca.

"I'm not running against him. YOU run against him."

"Why should I run against him now? YOU run against him."

Huckabee, Romney, Jindal, Steele, et al would be smart to let Palin crash and burn in 2012 while they wait for 2016.

LL2
11-12-2008, 12:18 PM
I caught part of the 2nd interview with Palin on Greta's show.

Palin, I believe, is smart and has good political instincts.

But her elocution makes GW seem like Professor Henry Higgins in comparison.

She is toast, thoroughly Quayled.

Huckabee, however, has been impressing me with his articulate and thoughtful political observations on Fox News. It's hard not to like him.

If America was open-minded enough to overlook Obama's associations with terrorists and racial demagogues, will it overlook the fact that Huckabee is an ordained minister? Probably not. Even I had a hard time with that fact, but golly Huckabee seems smart and likable. Any attempt to parody or lampoon him would be likely to come off petty and inaccurate.

Republican candidates for 2012 will be like those penguins waiting to be first to step off the ice floe into the water with the orca.

"I'm not running against him. YOU run against him."

"Why should I run against him now? YOU run against him."

Huckabee, Romney, Jindal, Steele, et al would be smart to let Palin crash and burn in 2012 while they wait for 2016.

Well, Jindal is only 37 so he will have plenty of chances to run for president. Heck, McCain is 72, so he has a lot of chances.

swede
11-12-2008, 01:42 PM
Well, Jindal is only 37 so he will have plenty of chances to run for president. Heck, McCain is 72, so he has a lot of chances.




McCain rests up for the run at the oval office in 2016:

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z236/dsteenswede44/wlenin30.jpg

Tyrone Bigguns
11-12-2008, 03:50 PM
Huckabee? LOL

If you want to further alienate moderate repubs and independents go ahead an nominate him.

BTW, there is nothing funnier than watching him "rock out" with his band.

swede
11-12-2008, 04:00 PM
Huckabee? LOL

If you want to further alienate moderate repubs and independents go ahead an nominate him.

BTW, there is nothing funnier than watching him "rock out" with his band.

Ty you may know something about something but it isn't conservative politics.

Huck aint conservative enough for most of us right-wing crazies.

But then again the msm hasn't had a good whack at him for a while. They'll paint the old Snidely Whiplash mustache on him in a big hurry if he ever starts to gain a little momentum in national politics.

It didn't take them long to turn on their pretty boy John McCain.


And Huckabee's band is cheesy, but watching ladies from the View climax as they interview Obama is way more funny.

Tyrone Bigguns
11-12-2008, 04:07 PM
Huckabee? LOL

If you want to further alienate moderate repubs and independents go ahead an nominate him.

BTW, there is nothing funnier than watching him "rock out" with his band.

Ty you may know something about something but it isn't conservative politics.

Huck aint conservative enough for most of us right-wing crazies.

But then again the msm hasn't had a good whack at him for a while. They'll paint the old Snidely Whiplash mustache on him in a big hurry if he ever starts to gain a little momentum in national politics.

It didn't take them long to turn on their pretty boy John McCain.


And Huckabee's band is cheesy, but watching ladies from the View climax as they interview Obama is way more funny.

Who was talking about right wing crazies? I said mod repubs and independents. But, let's not kid ourselves..the RR woulda been thrilled with him, just as they were thrilled at Palin. And, imho, i think you woulda had a better shot with him as VP than Palin.

The rest of the country isn't going to go for an albeit likeable, but bat shit crazy like Huckabee. If you go back and search posts you will find that i was on here touting him early...he is very personable..until you realize just how crazy he is.

MSM: Ah, yes. Blame them. I guess Mac is blameless. :oops:

View: The ladies may climax, but that is a once a year thing. Week in and week out we get to see Huck rock out..i caught him this last week with some young republican in a blue blazer and oxford shirt belting out a Billy Joel sung. High comedy.