The Official Packers v. saints Gameday Thread

[Badgerinmaine]

Yay-es!
Never say die, gentlemen (and gentleladies).

[Fosco33]

Nice pushoff by Martin... :oops:

[GBRulz]

damn, I forgot Ruvell was still on the team

[Rastak]

That was helmet-helmet - he may not have led but he did hit him in the head.


Sorry, but no way.

His chinstrap ended up on his upper lip?


They are playing football. His shoulder hit his head. No skirts allowed.


Sorry ladies!

[Badgerinmaine]

sweeeeet!
Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!

[arcilite]

2 posession game with 10+ minutes to play.

[RashanGary]

You have to kick an on side.

[PA Pack Fan]

D-fence! :oops:

[boiga]

You have to kick an on side. Not a bad idea.

[Badgerinmaine]

D-fence! :oops:
Yeah, they OUGHT to be blushing tonight.

[RashanGary]

If our defense wasn't so defenseless I'd kick it. Since they are the worste defense in the NFL playing a great offense, well, you have no choice. If McCarthy kicks I'll be pissed.

[BallHawk]

Would now be a good time to talk about how great Ruvell Martin is?

[red]

Yay-es!
Never say die, gentlemen (and gentleladies).

i doubt the ladies around here are gentle

at least thats how i picture them

[Badgerinmaine]

You have to kick an on side. Not a bad idea.
I'm not eager to give Brees a short field.

[GBRulz]

Here come my "fire TT" text messages...lol

My phone is going crazy tonight....

[Bretsky]

The DL is really bad. If we had a legit DL Brees would not be waiting all day for these long developing crossing plays. Just pathetic.


We lost our best pass rushing DT and did not replace him

Harrell continues to look like a run stuffer at best; Jolly does not look like a pass rusher. He looks better and more mobile than Harrell against the run

The Jenkins loss really hurts as well

We need a lot of help there

[Badgerinmaine]

Would now be a good time to talk about how great Ruvell Martin is?
Oh, when isn't? 8-)

[RashanGary]

Would now be a good time to talk about how great Ruvell Martin is?

You're here :) :)

[Rastak]

You have to kick an on side.


There is almost an entire quarter left. I wouldn't do that. They just have to buckle down on defense. Do something new to generate a pass rush or it will be all for naught.

[PA Pack Fan]

they are so bad tonight

[Rastak]

Bad move. Bad move.

[pbmax]

That was helmet-helmet - he may not have led but he did hit him in the head.


Sorry, but no way.

His chinstrap ended up on his upper lip?


They are playing football. His shoulder hit his head. No skirts allowed.


Sorry ladies!
His head hit his chin or helmet. But he hit him first with a shoulder into his chest/shoulder. That's still a clean hit.

[Badgerinmaine]

Do NOT like the squib there.

[MateoInMex]

why taunt after that. That is just classless


Totally agree. I hate that shit.

That's what I thought the flag was for.


I would have been cool with that call.

Ditto. What a little dick. The big staredown. Then whenever a fight breaks out in any of the big 3 sports, the majority of players swing like a bunch of ...well...not good...put it that way. Except for that baseball player who karate kicked the catcher right in the chest...That was a pretty good shot!

Nice onside kick!!! Give the Saints less of a field to work with.

[boiga]

You have to kick an on side. Not a bad idea.
I'm not eager to give Brees a short field.

The length of field hasn't made a difference tonight, so why not?

[PA Pack Fan]

what a stupid move, out coached!

[PA Pack Fan]

Yeah, lets give them the ball on the 40...WTF???

[Bretsky]

Would now be a good time to talk about how great Ruvell Martin is?



NO

Tell your buddy to do something when the game counts :wink:

[gbgary]

they're out to hang 50 on us like we did them a few years ago. :shock:

[Iron Mike]

Well, look at the bright side.......our D finally didn't get gashed by the run. 8-)

[Freak Out]

Bad move. Bad move.

I agree....give the D a shot at redemption. Its to early.

[]{ilr]3]

WTF? The only ones that on side kick fooled was the packers. They didnt even try to get the damn ball :shock:

[BallHawk]

Would now be a good time to talk about how great Ruvell Martin is?

You're here :) :)Took me a while to crawl out of the bottle, but I'm here.

[PA Pack Fan]

are you kidding me? They held on 3rd and 1?

nevermind

[GrnBay007]

Here come my "fire TT" text messages...lol

My phone is going crazy tonight....


:D

[PackerTimer]

are you kidding me? They held on 3rd and 1?

Too bad they couldn't hold on 4th and 1.

[MateoInMex]

Well, I'm going to figure out how to enjoy the night sober....anyone with any info on Blu Ray Porn...please feel free to send me a PM. I'm not a pervurt, and the clown kick in the package was accidental.

Enjoy the rest of the evening...

[Fosco33]

That was helmet-helmet - he may not have led but he did hit him in the head.


Sorry, but no way.

His chinstrap ended up on his upper lip?


They are playing football. His shoulder hit his head. No skirts allowed.


Sorry ladies!

It wasn't a terrible hit - and good no call. But he did hit his helmet. This is GJ's helmet moving to the left...

http://www.hostpic.biz/uploads/d8b80703d2.jpg (http://www.hostpic.biz)

[Rastak]

Dagger here I think.....I sure don't understand that onside kick. They have to force a turnover now. A few run plays and a FG is all that is needed.

[red]

FUCK ME

[Bretsky]

well there goes my 48-47 :!:

[Badgerinmaine]

Well, I hope that none of you bet the under tonight. :roll:

[PA Pack Fan]

time for bed

[gbgary]

they're out to hang 50 on us like we did them a few years ago. :shock:

well...they did it.

[Brohm]

Well now lets all be embarrassed ok D. Fire Sanders. This has gone on long enough.

Bring on Winston Moss

[RashanGary]

Man, I hope we don't, "like our guys" on the defensive line again next year.

[Rastak]

That was helmet-helmet - he may not have led but he did hit him in the head.


Sorry, but no way.

His chinstrap ended up on his upper lip?


They are playing football. His shoulder hit his head. No skirts allowed.


Sorry ladies!

It wasn't a terrible hit - and good no call. But he did hit his helmet. This is GJ's helmet moving to the left...

http://www.hostpic.biz/uploads/d8b80703d2.jpg (http://www.hostpic.biz)


GJ's helmut lies to the left of the hit. edit right!

[Iron Mike]

Well, look at the bright side.......our D finally didn't get gashed by the run. 8-)

Oh, Jesus Christ. :roll:

[pbmax]

Well, there goes one more silver lining right out the window. Nice angle and tackle Mr. Collins.

[Rastak]

Well now lets all be embarrassed ok D. Fire Sanders. This has gone on long enough.

Bring on Winston Moss


Being the top passing defense?

[BallHawk]

Would now be a good time to talk about how great Ruvell Martin is?

You're here :) :)Took me a while to crawl out of the bottle, but I'm here.Nevermind. See ya Wednesday morning.

[red]

well, game off for me

thats all i can take for this week

[Bretsky]

Man, I hope we don't, "like our guys" on the defensive line again next year.


DITTO

[arcilite]

Well BLu-ray porn time.

Sadly, I am a one minute man and will be back here...in about 30 seconds.

[Brohm]

Well now lets all be embarrassed ok D. Fire Sanders. This has gone on long enough.

Bring on Winston Moss


Being the top passing defense?

Against shit quarterbacks yes.

I mean lets look at the big picture. A lot of that was the fact that teams can run up our ass.

[RashanGary]

I'm very disappointed in our defensive line. They cannot win one on one matchups.

[Freak Out]

Peyton is still pissed he didn't get the Packers job.

[Badgerinmaine]

Well BLu-ray porn time.

Sadly, I am a one minute man and will be back here...in about 30 seconds.

Wash your hands before you post here again.

[Bretsky]

I'm very disappointed in our defensive line. They cannot win one on one matchups.



just not good enough

[PackerTimer]

Man, I hope we don't, "like our guys" on the defensive line again next year.

I can hardly believe we will. Missing Jenkins continues to be a killer.

I don't know how much he'd help, but it certainly would hurt to have him.

[Fosco33]

Only down 3 scores now :lol:

All we need is a quick TD and a 2 pt conversion, onside kick recovery, bomb for a TD, onside kick, and another bomb for a TD.

Seems plausible to me :P

[Rastak]

Well now lets all be embarrassed ok D. Fire Sanders. This has gone on long enough.

Bring on Winston Moss


Being the top passing defense?

Against shit quarterbacks yes.

I mean lets look at the big picture. A lot of that was the fact that teams can run up our ass.


Flip side of the Vikings. They ( Vikings) stop the run so teams throw all day long a pick up lots of yards.

[gbgary]

jennings went in there again and made the play. no fear.

[Badgerinmaine]

Rally time...maybe?

[Carolina_Packer]

Man, I hope we don't, "like our guys" on the defensive line again next year.

I can hardly believe we will. Missing Jenkins continues to be a killer.

The consistently good teams find a way to plug guys in and make it work.

[Fosco33]

I wonder how severe Tauscher's injury was... we had some consistency in the line recently at least.

[Badgerinmaine]

Only down 3 scores now :lol:

All we need is a quick TD and a 2 pt conversion, onside kick recovery, bomb for a TD, onside kick, and another bomb for a TD.

Seems plausible to me :P
What the hell--they DO have 29 points already tonight.

[Bretsky]

HERE COMES KORNHOLE

It's the ONLY THING he knows how to talk about

[GBRulz]

Why is Rodger's still in the game?

[GrnBay007]

Take the starters out so they don't get hurt?

[GBRulz]

why is TT so red?

[PackerTimer]

Even the MNF guys, except for Kornhole, seem sick of the comparisons between Favre and Rodgers.

[PA Pack Fan]

He's a fucking idiot. Like Favre would've won this game.

[Fosco33]

I think people in NO and GB will be drinking heavily tonight - for different reasons. That's all WI needs - more motivation to get wasted and forget something.

TiVO just asked me if I wanted to stop recording and delete... umm - yeah - I don't need to remember any of this game.

[Bretsky]

why is TT so red?


tanning bed inside his office :?:

[BallHawk]

I feel sorry for Tirico and Jaws having to try and reason with Kornheiser.

[gbgary]

gotta keep fighting. they need to for their own good.

[Fosco33]

Gotta knock that one down - D coach should be pissed. Greed gets you no where.

[Iron Mike]

Didn't see that INT coming...... :roll:

[GrnBay007]

Yay-es!
Never say die, gentlemen (and gentleladies).

i doubt the ladies around here are gentle

at least thats how i picture them

Red---> :butt:

[Bretsky]

I feel sorry for Tirico and Jaws having to try and reason with Kornheiser.


KORNHOLE SHOULD GET FIRED; clearly they don't want him to bring this up but since he has Dennis Miller like football knowledge it's the only thing he can babble about.

Let's answer the obvious

Most think GB would have a better record if they had Favre but no way of knowing
Most do NOT think GB would be Super Bowl Bound with Favre
Most people are alright with TT choosing the long term interests over short term

[imscott72]

What a disgusting game. Anybody wanna buy 4 tix to the Panther game? :roll:

[Fosco33]

Can NO please just run the ball for a few first downs and end this 'game'?

We won't try and stop you.

[gbgary]

Can NO please just run the ball for a few first downs and end this 'game'?

We won't try and stop you.

that'll make it 58-29. then they'll be temped to hang 60 on us.

[RashanGary]

You know what? This sucks. It really does. We have to get stronger on the DL and to a lesser extent on the OL too.

All is not lost though. Odly enough, we still have a shot at the division with the Vikes likely being suspended and we'll get another shot at the Bears. The next positive is that we are young and look to be getting ready to lock up some core players to really grow together. Rodgers will get better. Much of the defense can continue to get better.

Man, that DL is bad though. They are really, really bad.

[Fred's Slacks]

What a disgusting game. Anybody wanna buy 4 tix to the Panther game? :roll:

I know what you're saying. I have a ticket to the Houston game. I am suddenly less excited to go.

[GBRulz]

LOL, did u see that Favre sign someone was holding up?

[pbmax]

Well, its gonna cost more than $23 million to get Favre back to Green Bay now! :lol:

[gbgary]

You know what? This sucks. It really does. We have to get stronger on the DL and to a lesser extent on the OL too.

All is not lost though. Odly enough, we still have a shot at the division with the Vikes likely being suspended and we'll get another shot at the Bears. The next positive is that we are young and look to be getting ready to lock up some core players to really grow together. Rodgers will get better. Much of the defense can continue to get better.

Man, that DL is bad though. They are really, really bad.

faster linebackers!

[HarveyWallbangers]

Man, that DL is bad though. They are really, really bad.

Agreed. Old adage: you are never as good as you look when you win (37-3) and you are never as bad as you look when you lose (29-51).

[Bretsky]

You know what? This sucks. It really does. We have to get stronger on the DL and to a lesser extent on the OL too.

All is not lost though. Odly enough, we still have a shot at the division with the Vikes likely being suspended and we'll get another shot at the Bears. The next positive is that we are young and look to be getting ready to lock up some core players to really grow together. Rodgers will get better. Much of the defense can continue to get better.

Man, that DL is bad though. They are really, really bad.


on the bright side

OUR DIVISION SUCKS

This team could make the playoffs but we wouldn't put a lot of fear into many good teams

I'm not sure there is a ton of upside on many of these DL guys

[Rastak]

You know what? This sucks. It really does. We have to get stronger on the DL and to a lesser extent on the OL too.

All is not lost though. Odly enough, we still have a shot at the division with the Vikes likely being suspended and we'll get another shot at the Bears. The next positive is that we are young and look to be getting ready to lock up some core players to really grow together. Rodgers will get better. Much of the defense can continue to get better.

Man, that DL is bad though. They are really, really bad.


I ain't sure on the suspension but the Vikes QB play has been terrible after looking fairly solid for 2 or 3 games. I say all three teams are flawed so it's hard to say who wins.


Didn't you just say the season was over a few minutes ago!

[RIPackerFan]

I truly thought they turned a corner last week. I am so disappointed, I am sick to my stomach. The only good thing is we have a ton of money to spend next year on the d-line and o-line.

[Fosco33]

Why have Aaron in there?

Stupid.

[pbmax]

You know what? This sucks. It really does. We have to get stronger on the DL and to a lesser extent on the OL too.

All is not lost though. Odly enough, we still have a shot at the division with the Vikes likely being suspended and we'll get another shot at the Bears. The next positive is that we are young and look to be getting ready to lock up some core players to really grow together. Rodgers will get better. Much of the defense can continue to get better.

Man, that DL is bad though. They are really, really bad.


on the bright side

OUR DIVISION SUCKS

This team could make the playoffs but we wouldn't put a lot of fear into many good teams

I'm not sure there is a ton of upside on many of these DL guys
I hear you Bretsky, but limping into the playoffs sucks. I'd almost rather have the higher draft pick.

[RIPackerFan]

I am not sure why Rogers is still in.

[GBRulz]

Maybe this is a dumb question, but did Kornhole ever play football? Coach? Or has he just always been an annoying sports announcer?

[imscott72]

Why the fuck is Aaron still out there. Makes no sense to me at this point but what do I know.. :roll:

[Iron Mike]

Hey, at least we're not Lions fans!!!! :pack:

[GBRulz]

Why the fuck is Aaron still out there. Makes no sense to me at this point but what do I know.. :roll:

I know, I asked that about 10 minutes ago.

[imscott72]

I truly thought they turned a corner last week. I am so disappointed, I am sick to my stomach. The only good thing is we have a ton of money to spend next year on the d-line and o-line.

We've had money every year..Means nothing..

[Fosco33]

I'd almost rather have the higher draft pick.

Maybe. Wonder how this year's class looks?

Maybe we'll pickup an injury prone, overrated Dlineman. Or we'll trade down and parlay into 2 6th and 3 7th rounders. :roll:

[arcilite]

Hey, at least we're not Lions fans!!!! :pack:


i will drink to this!

[GBRulz]

Hey, at least we're not Lions fans!!!! :pack:

At least the Lions have consistency :lol:

[pbmax]

Its weird, we have stunk in two road games indoor on some type of turf. Looked slow both games. In between, we take apart a reasonably good Bears team and look faster and more athletic.

Somewhere in between, we are pretty damn mediocre.

[GBRulz]

I'd almost rather have the higher draft pick.

Maybe. Wonder how this year's class looks?

Maybe we'll pickup an injury prone, overrated Dlineman. Or we'll trade down and parlay into 2 6th and 3 7th rounders. :roll:

No, we'll take a WR and a QB first :lol:

[Iron Mike]

Hey, at least we're not Lions fans!!!! :pack:


i will drink to this!

I thought you were busy with something else?? :bs:

[Fosco33]

You gotta know one QB from Mississippi is loving this game :oops:

[Bretsky]

I truly thought they turned a corner last week. I am so disappointed, I am sick to my stomach. The only good thing is we have a ton of money to spend next year on the d-line and o-line.

We've had money every year..Means nothing..


It often means we're ok to sign out own; now that can be little consolation if we lack talent from our own

[RIPackerFan]

Yeah, I know TT has been tight with the money - but we have to do something to bring some depth - and I don't think it can be done all in the draft. Clifton and Tauscher are another year older - and need replacements. Our interior O-line is nothing to write home about.

Our D-line has no depth and not very good.

We need more than just a few good linemen.

[Rastak]

Its weird, we have stunk in two road games indoor on some type of turf. Looked slow both games. In between, we take apart a reasonably good Bears team and look faster and more athletic.

Somewhere in between, we are pretty damn mediocre.


It seems the top three North teams have issues....so who wins? Should be a wild ride.

[]{ilr]3]

You gotta know one QB from Mississippi is loving this game :oops:

Kornhieser? Is that you? :shock:

[Fosco33]

No matter who wins this division - they won't go far in the playoffs playing on the road...

[pbmax]

Maybe this is a dumb question, but did Kornhole ever play football? Coach? Or has he just always been an annoying sports announcer?
Kornheiser didn't play football, did play other sports through college (not a scholarship level). he's a sportswriter by trade. And he is there to give access and thought to the casual fan who may watch on Monday night but not otherwise watch football.

He knows the game better than he lets on, most of this is schtick to let Jaws and Tirico play off it. I actually wish Tirico would shut up and do Pat Summerall. Let Tony and Jaws go at it. They are great on the radio together.

[Bretsky]

Its weird, we have stunk in two road games indoor on some type of turf. Looked slow both games. In between, we take apart a reasonably good Bears team and look faster and more athletic.

Somewhere in between, we are pretty damn mediocre.


It seems the top three North teams have issues....so who wins? Should be a wild ride.


Who wins the prize of getting their asses kicked in the playoffs ?

[Fred's Slacks]

Its weird, we have stunk in two road games indoor on some type of turf. Looked slow both games. In between, we take apart a reasonably good Bears team and look faster and more athletic.

Somewhere in between, we are pretty damn mediocre.


It seems the top three North teams have issues....so who wins? Should be a wild ride.

Should be interesting to see who wins the right to get smoked by a wild card team at home.

[Fosco33]

Who loves BF more? Kornhole or Madden...

[Rastak]

Who loves BF more? Kornhole or Madden...


Madden.

[gbgary]

Why the fuck is Aaron still out there. Makes no sense to me at this point but what do I know.. :roll:

I know, I asked that about 10 minutes ago.

it's part of being "the man". i don't think you pull him just to stand on the sidelines and think about it. you keep him out there to fight.

[Iron Mike]

Who loves BF more? Kornhole or Madden...

Peter King.

[GBRulz]

oh now Flynn comes in

[Fosco33]

Are you kidding me, M3? Now you put in Flynn. What a joke.

[RIPackerFan]

You never know what will happen with any team in the playoffs - but after this game, its tough for me to see GB win on the road.

[GBRulz]

Why the fuck is Aaron still out there. Makes no sense to me at this point but what do I know.. :roll:

I know, I asked that about 10 minutes ago.

it's part of being "the man". i don't think you pull him just to stand on the sidelines and think about it. you keep him out there to fight.

and risk injury when the game is completely out of hand?

[GBRulz]

You never know what will happen with any team in the playoffs - but after this game, its tough for me to see GB win on the road.

After this game it's tough for me to even see us beating the Lions

[Fosco33]

Do we have any 'winners' in terms of winners/losers?

[RashanGary]

Kampman, Jolly (if he gets his head on straight), Pickett, Jenkins

Maybe Thompson becomes something. He's really young. Harrell has about a 1% chance. These are prospects though. Right now they're junk.



In order to really excel with Dlineman like the ones we have, you need several of them. Last year we had Jenkins, Kampman, Jolly, PIckett, Williams and KGB all playing really well early. That is 6 compared to 4 this year (three after the Jenkins injury). Along with that we had Cole rotating in there to keep everyone fresh and they really played well early in the year. After the injuries we started dropping games and eventually flamed out. The moral of the story is that you need 6 or 7 really good defensive lineman IMO or 4 great ones and some average backups. We were way to thin. After one injury our defense was junk.

I won't go jumping off a cliff saying, "it will never be fixed", but I'm at the point where we better have a major shake up next year. Maybe it's a long term shakeup with a couple high draft picks or maybe it's through FA, but we can't go in with this group next year and act like everything is fine.

[Rastak]

Its weird, we have stunk in two road games indoor on some type of turf. Looked slow both games. In between, we take apart a reasonably good Bears team and look faster and more athletic.

Somewhere in between, we are pretty damn mediocre.


It seems the top three North teams have issues....so who wins? Should be a wild ride.

Should be interesting to see who wins the right to get smoked by a wild card team at home.


Never can be sure. You gotta get in.

[gbgary]

http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:forums.corvetteforum.com/get/images/smilies/seeya.gif

[GBRulz]

Do we have any 'winners' in terms of winners/losers?

Jennings. Driver.

[imscott72]

Clearly both lines are the serious issue heading into the offseason. I would hope we'd see a couple FA signings along with some solid draft picks in this area.

[Fosco33]

Do we have any 'winners' in terms of winners/losers?

Jennings. Driver.

I didn't like GJ's game. He had a few where he looked lazy in not coming to the ball. He had one solid catch in near mop up situation.

Sure, the open missed TD was Aaron's bad throw - but you gotta catch that.

[BallHawk]

Ruvell was a winner tonight. Man produced 8 points for the Pack tonight, most of any player.

We need more players like him on this team.

[Bretsky]

Ruvell was a winner tonight. Man produced 8 points for the Pack tonight, most of any player.

We need more players like him on this team.


LMAO

[CaliforniaCheez]

The season was lost in the 2nd vikling game.

Now the Packers just don't care.

[GBRulz]

Nice eyebrow wax, Aaron. :roll:

[BallHawk]

Nice eyebrow wax, Aaron. :roll:

We're so bitter that we're now talking about eyebrows?

It's gonna be a long week.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I watched the game with Harv and Superfan and we were all just sickened by the game. One of the few times I've stopped watching a game before it was over. But at the beginning of the 4th quarter, it was over.

The defensive effort and performance really made me want to puke.

[Bretsky]

I watched the game with Harv and Superfan and we were all just sickened by the game. One of the few times I've stopped watching a game before it was over. But at the beginning of the 4th quarter, it was over.

The defensive effort and performance really made me want to puke.


IF by some chance we win this pathetically sub par division......here's to hoping we don't play a team with a solid offense in the post season

[GBRulz]

Nice eyebrow wax, Aaron. :roll:

We're so bitter that we're now talking about eyebrows?

It's gonna be a long week.

I'm not bitter, just making an observation. I don't expect the guys to notice things like that...well, most !!

Funny response from someone who was making such a big deal about his haircut in the off-season though.

[Partial]

A-Rod stood in the pocket tonight and played tough. I actually thought it was one of his better games outside of a few bone headed throws.

Gotta blame him for the loss though. 3 picks is pretty poor. Can our team stop anybody?!?

MM does not seem like the answer. He isn't the same coach as he was last year.

[channtheman]

A-Rod stood in the pocket tonight and played tough. I actually thought it was one of his better games outside of a few bone headed throws.

Gotta blame him for the loss though. 3 picks is pretty poor. Can our team stop anybody?!?

MM does not seem like the answer. He isn't the same coach as he was last year.

Really? You think this loss is on Rodgers? I know he had a part in it since he couldn't lead us down the field in the second half (again). But the piss poor play of the defense was what cost us this game.

I agree about MM. Does this guy make ANY halftime adjustments? NO took what we were doing on offense and stopped it, and we didn't do anything different on defense to stop them.

[Partial]

A-Rod stood in the pocket tonight and played tough. I actually thought it was one of his better games outside of a few bone headed throws.

Gotta blame him for the loss though. 3 picks is pretty poor. Can our team stop anybody?!?

MM does not seem like the answer. He isn't the same coach as he was last year.

Really? You think this loss is on Rodgers? I know he had a part in it since he couldn't lead us down the field in the second half (again). But the piss poor play of the defense was what cost us this game.

I agree about MM. Does this guy make ANY halftime adjustments? NO took what we were doing on offense and stopped it, and we didn't do anything different on defense to stop them.

Another chicken or the egg first.

Was it the defense couldn't stop them because A-Rod kept putting them in awful positions with limited breaks?

You guys are cutting Aaron way too much slack. He played a solid first half, unfortuantely, games are two halves, not one! He played incredibly poorly in the second half.

The game has to lie on his shoulders. He's the quarterback who couldn't lead the team down the field in the second half against a defense we consistently exploited earlier. He also threw three picks and made plenty of bad decisions.

[Patler]

Another chicken or the egg first.

Was it the defense couldn't stop them because A-Rod kept putting them in awful positions with limited breaks?

You guys are cutting Aaron way too much slack. He played a solid first half, unfortuantely, games are two halves, not one! He played incredibly poorly in the second half.

The game has to lie on his shoulders. He's the quarterback who couldn't lead the team down the field in the second half against a defense we consistently exploited earlier. He also threw three picks and made plenty of bad decisions.

Partial; you have gone way, way overboard in pinning the blame for losses on Rodgers. Not that he is blameless, but he certainly hasn't been the primary factor in the recent losses, just one of the contributing factors.

There is no "chicken or egg" quandary in this game. The defense (with "help" from special teams) had already given up 31 points before Rodgers threw his first interception. At that point Rodgers had lead three TD drives in in 5 possessions. The drives covered 37, 72 and 83 yards. Rodgers was 11/17 for 108 yards, 1 passing TD, one rushing TD, no interceptions. Unfortunately, while Rodgers was doing that, the defense gave up touchdowns on three consecutive drives covering 70, 41 and 76 yards, a fieldgoal on the next drive (probably only because the Saints ran out of time at the half) then an 80 yard drive on the fifth drive in that string. They gave up 31 points on the Saints first 6 drives, five consecutive scoring drives after the intial 3 and out.

No, the defensive collapse was firmly established before Rodgers committed a single turnover. Rodgers was by no means blameless, but the defense gave up 51 points, only 7 of which came after one of Rodgers interceptions.

Rodgers played "incredibly poorly in the second half"? Really? He conducted a 15 play 86 yard drive for a TD and completed a pass for a two point conversion. In the second half he was 12/24 for 134 yards and 1 TD. He had 17 yards running with the ball. Yes, he threw the three picks. The first certainly looked bad, and I won't try to excuse it; but if Jennings had not fallen, would it have been intercepted? I think it probably would have, but you never know. The second interception would not have happened if Nelson continued his route instead of stopping, and from all reporters at the game the coaches apparently got on Nelson pretty good on the sidelines after that. The final interception was on a fourth down play, after Rodgers looked and looked, bought time by moving away from pressure and finally put it up in the endzone giving a receiver a chance for it. Wasn't that just one of those "doing everything for a win" interceptions that so many forgave Favre for routinely? I have little problem with putting it up for grabs on fourth down. Why not try something? I do have a problem with throwing it up for grabs on 1st or 2nd down; but not on 4th and 16, trailing by 22 with 6 minutes left in the game. At least he threw it into the endzone and gained 10 yards of field position on the touchback (not that it mattered much at that point).

I am not absolving him of some fault on any of the interceptions, or maybe on some decisions he made. I'm just not convinced it was an incredibly poor performance by Rodgers. Yes, he did not play well enough to keep up in a shoot-out type game. But on the other hand he did conduct 4 pretty decent scoring drives.

[Badgerinmaine]

You gotta know one QB from Mississippi is loving this game :oops:

Now that he's retired, I'm sure Steve McNair is enjoying lots of good games on TV. :wink:

[denverYooper]

I watched the game with Harv and Superfan and we were all just sickened by the game. One of the few times I've stopped watching a game before it was over. But at the beginning of the 4th quarter, it was over.

The defensive effort and performance really made me want to puke.


IF by some chance we win this pathetically sub par division......here's to hoping we don't play a team with a solid offense in the post season

Yep.

[cpk1994]

A-Rod stood in the pocket tonight and played tough. I actually thought it was one of his better games outside of a few bone headed throws.

Gotta blame him for the loss though. 3 picks is pretty poor. Can our team stop anybody?!?

MM does not seem like the answer. He isn't the same coach as he was last year.

Really? You think this loss is on Rodgers? I know he had a part in it since he couldn't lead us down the field in the second half (again). But the piss poor play of the defense was what cost us this game.

I agree about MM. Does this guy make ANY halftime adjustments? NO took what we were doing on offense and stopped it, and we didn't do anything different on defense to stop them.The defensive adjustments are on Sanders. The offense is McCarthy's area. ALso, to bhlame this on Rdogers when NO punted only once in the first half and then not until the 4th is assinine. The Defense and Special teams were responsible.

[cpk1994]

Another chicken or the egg first.

Was it the defense couldn't stop them because A-Rod kept putting them in awful positions with limited breaks?

You guys are cutting Aaron way too much slack. He played a solid first half, unfortuantely, games are two halves, not one! He played incredibly poorly in the second half.

The game has to lie on his shoulders. He's the quarterback who couldn't lead the team down the field in the second half against a defense we consistently exploited earlier. He also threw three picks and made plenty of bad decisions.

Partial; you have gone way, way overboard in pinning the blame for losses on Rodgers. Not that he is blameless, but he certainly hasn't been the primary factory in the recent losses, just one of the contributing factors.

There is no "chicken or egg" quandary in this game. The defense (with "help" from special teams) had already given up 31 points before Rodgers threw his first interception. At that point Rodgers had lead three TD drives in in 5 possessions. The drives covered 37, 72 and 83 yards. Rodgers was 11/17 for 108 yards, 1 passing TD, one rushing TD, no interceptions. Unfortunately, while Rodgers was doing that, the defense gave up touchdowns on three consecutive drives covering 70, 41 and 76 yards, a fieldgoal on the next drive (probably only because the Saints ran out of time at the half) then an 80 yard drive on the fifth drive in that string. They gave up 31 points on the Saints first 6 drives, five consecutive scoring drives after the intial 3 and out.

No, the defensive collapse was firmly established before Rodgers committed a single turnover. Rodgers was by no means blameless, but the defense gave up 51 points, only 7 of which came after one of Rodgers interceptions.

Rodgers played "incredibly poorly in the second half"? Really? He conducted a 15 play 86 yard drive for a TD and completed a pass for a two point conversion. In the second half he was 12/24 for 134 yards and 1 TD. He had 17 yards running with the ball. Yes, he threw the three picks. The first certainly looked bad, and I won't try to excuse it; but if Jennings had not fallen, would it have been intercepted? I think it probably would have, but you never know. The second interception would not have happened if Nelson continued his route instead of stopping, and from all reporters at the game the coaches apparently got on Nelson pretty good on the sidelines after that. The final interception was on a fourth down play, after Rodgers looked and looked, bought time by moving away from pressure and finally put it up in the endzone giving a receiver a chance for it. Wasn't that just one of those "doing everything for a win" interceptions that so many forgave Favre for routinely? I have little problem with putting it up for grabs on fourth down. Why not try something? I do have a problem with throwing it up for grabs on 1st or 2nd down; but not on 4th and 16, trailing by 22 with 6 minutes left in the game. At least he threw it into the endzone and gained 10 yards of field position on the touchback (not that it mattered much at that point).

I am not absolving him of some fault on any of the interceptions, or maybe on some decisions he made. I'm just not convinced it was an incredibly poor performance by Rodgers. Yes, he did not play well enough to keep up in a shoot-out type game. But on the other hand he did conduct 4 pretty decent scoring drives.Spot on, Patler!

[Bretsky]

A-Rod stood in the pocket tonight and played tough. I actually thought it was one of his better games outside of a few bone headed throws.

Gotta blame him for the loss though. 3 picks is pretty poor. Can our team stop anybody?!?

MM does not seem like the answer. He isn't the same coach as he was last year.

Really? You think this loss is on Rodgers? I know he had a part in it since he couldn't lead us down the field in the second half (again). But the piss poor play of the defense was what cost us this game.

I agree about MM. Does this guy make ANY halftime adjustments? NO took what we were doing on offense and stopped it, and we didn't do anything different on defense to stop them.The defensive adjustments are on Sanders. The offense is McCarthy's area. ALso, to bhlame this on Rdogers when NO punted only once in the first half and then not until the 4th is assinine. The Defense and Special teams were responsible.


What Defensive Adjustments ?

[lod01]

The season was lost in the 2nd vikling game.

Now the Packers just don't care.

Nominated for stupid post of the week.

Hey doofus, they are 1 game out of 1st place now.

[LL2]

A-Rod stood in the pocket tonight and played tough. I actually thought it was one of his better games outside of a few bone headed throws.

Gotta blame him for the loss though. 3 picks is pretty poor. Can our team stop anybody?!?

MM does not seem like the answer. He isn't the same coach as he was last year.

Really? You think this loss is on Rodgers? I know he had a part in it since he couldn't lead us down the field in the second half (again). But the piss poor play of the defense was what cost us this game.

I agree about MM. Does this guy make ANY halftime adjustments? NO took what we were doing on offense and stopped it, and we didn't do anything different on defense to stop them.The defensive adjustments are on Sanders. The offense is McCarthy's area. ALso, to bhlame this on Rdogers when NO punted only once in the first half and then not until the 4th is assinine. The Defense and Special teams were responsible.


What Defensive Adjustments ?

The defense was atrocious. They couldn't stop anything if their lives depended on it. NO scored on what....7 consecutive drives? The Packers O was keeping the team in the game in the first half and part of the 3rd qtr, but the Packers D did not contribute one thing to help the team. I think Arod was the only player trying as hard as he could to help the team win. He was running for 1st downs, putting his body on the line in the TD score and knocking David out after he threw the pick. The Packers D was a complete failure and you can't expect the Packers O to compete in a shootout.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Gotta blame him for the loss though. 3 picks is pretty poor.

Way to just look at the box score for what you want to see and ignore the absolute atrocious defensive play by the Pack.

Has Pacopete taken over Partial's acct?

[Joemailman]

I'm not usually not one to blame losses on coaches' game plans, but Sanders got schooled Monday night. Sean Payton had a great plan for attacking the Packer defense, and Sanders had no answer. Continuing with Sanders as DC is a guarantee of defensive mediocrity.

[hurleyfan]

I'm not usually not one to blame losses on coaches' game plans, but Sanders got schooled Monday night. Sean Payton had a great plan for attacking the Packer defense, and Sanders had no answer. Continuing with Sanders as DC is a guarantee of defensive mediocrity.

I'd certainly agree with you here Joe.

I never liked this style of defense, but Bates made it work, almost the same players, but I think he had a little more imagination than Sanders.

And don't forget the wonderful punter... 24 yarder... inside a dome :?:

[red]

The season was lost in the 2nd vikling game.

Now the Packers just don't care.

Nominated for stupid post of the week.

Hey doofus, they are 1 game out of 1st place now.

thats like winning a gold medal in the special olympics

we're a game out of first in what might be the worst division in nfl history

[Partial]

Gotta blame him for the loss though. 3 picks is pretty poor.

Way to just look at the box score for what you want to see and ignore the absolute atrocious defensive play by the Pack.

Has Pacopete taken over Partial's acct?

Dude, like I said, Aaron gave them the ball in premo position for two of those touchdowns. Before the interception fest it was 24-21.

That is being a homer not to put significant blame on the QB.

[Partial]

I'm not usually not one to blame losses on coaches' game plans, but Sanders got schooled Monday night. Sean Payton had a great plan for attacking the Packer defense, and Sanders had no answer. Continuing with Sanders as DC is a guarantee of defensive mediocrity.

Yep. They have to rebuild the lines anyway, so bring on the 3-4!!!

[Partial]

Another chicken or the egg first.

Was it the defense couldn't stop them because A-Rod kept putting them in awful positions with limited breaks?

You guys are cutting Aaron way too much slack. He played a solid first half, unfortuantely, games are two halves, not one! He played incredibly poorly in the second half.

The game has to lie on his shoulders. He's the quarterback who couldn't lead the team down the field in the second half against a defense we consistently exploited earlier. He also threw three picks and made plenty of bad decisions.

Partial; you have gone way, way overboard in pinning the blame for losses on Rodgers. Not that he is blameless, but he certainly hasn't been the primary factory in the recent losses, just one of the contributing factors.

There is no "chicken or egg" quandary in this game. The defense (with "help" from special teams) had already given up 31 points before Rodgers threw his first interception. At that point Rodgers had lead three TD drives in in 5 possessions. The drives covered 37, 72 and 83 yards. Rodgers was 11/17 for 108 yards, 1 passing TD, one rushing TD, no interceptions. Unfortunately, while Rodgers was doing that, the defense gave up touchdowns on three consecutive drives covering 70, 41 and 76 yards, a fieldgoal on the next drive (probably only because the Saints ran out of time at the half) then an 80 yard drive on the fifth drive in that string. They gave up 31 points on the Saints first 6 drives, five consecutive scoring drives after the intial 3 and out.

No, the defensive collapse was firmly established before Rodgers committed a single turnover. Rodgers was by no means blameless, but the defense gave up 51 points, only 7 of which came after one of Rodgers interceptions.

Rodgers played "incredibly poorly in the second half"? Really? He conducted a 15 play 86 yard drive for a TD and completed a pass for a two point conversion. In the second half he was 12/24 for 134 yards and 1 TD. He had 17 yards running with the ball. Yes, he threw the three picks. The first certainly looked bad, and I won't try to excuse it; but if Jennings had not fallen, would it have been intercepted? I think it probably would have, but you never know. The second interception would not have happened if Nelson continued his route instead of stopping, and from all reporters at the game the coaches apparently got on Nelson pretty good on the sidelines after that. The final interception was on a fourth down play, after Rodgers looked and looked, bought time by moving away from pressure and finally put it up in the endzone giving a receiver a chance for it. Wasn't that just one of those "doing everything for a win" interceptions that so many forgave Favre for routinely? I have little problem with putting it up for grabs on fourth down. Why not try something? I do have a problem with throwing it up for grabs on 1st or 2nd down; but not on 4th and 16, trailing by 22 with 6 minutes left in the game. At least he threw it into the endzone and gained 10 yards of field position on the touchback (not that it mattered much at that point).

I am not absolving him of some fault on any of the interceptions, or maybe on some decisions he made. I'm just not convinced it was an incredibly poor performance by Rodgers. Yes, he did not play well enough to keep up in a shoot-out type game. But on the other hand he did conduct 4 pretty decent scoring drives.Spot on, Patler!

I disagree with you Patler. He couldn't capitalize against a weak secondary with minimal pass rush, and was chucking the ball to the defense left and right. Everyone would be at Favre's throat for the 3 INTs in the second half, and rightfully so. That is unacceptable. A-Rods second half stat line is 12-24 (50% sucks), 3 INT (sucks), 1 TD (against prevent... awesome!).

The defense takes some blame, sure, but Aaron had the chance to keep pace, and instead couldn't move the ball down the field, and handed NO the win on a silver platter with the INT that they returned to the 3ish.

[Patler]

Dude, like I said, Aaron gave them the ball in premo position for two of those touchdowns. Before the interception fest it was 24-21.

That is being a homer not to put significant blame on the QB.

No, it was already 31-21 before Rodgers threw his first interception, and the Saints scored only one touchdown following a Rodgers interception. They scored after the first interception, threw their own interception after Rodger's second, and punted after the third interception

[cpk1994]

A-Rod stood in the pocket tonight and played tough. I actually thought it was one of his better games outside of a few bone headed throws.

Gotta blame him for the loss though. 3 picks is pretty poor. Can our team stop anybody?!?

MM does not seem like the answer. He isn't the same coach as he was last year.

Really? You think this loss is on Rodgers? I know he had a part in it since he couldn't lead us down the field in the second half (again). But the piss poor play of the defense was what cost us this game.

I agree about MM. Does this guy make ANY halftime adjustments? NO took what we were doing on offense and stopped it, and we didn't do anything different on defense to stop them.The defensive adjustments are on Sanders. The offense is McCarthy's area. ALso, to bhlame this on Rdogers when NO punted only once in the first half and then not until the 4th is assinine. The Defense and Special teams were responsible.


What Defensive Adjustments ?I know there weren't any, but I thought he was blaming McCarthy for the non adjustments to the defense. McCarthy usally handles the O not the D.

[Bossman641]

I disagree with you Patler. He couldn't capitalize against a weak secondary with minimal pass rush, and was chucking the ball to the defense left and right. Everyone would be at Favre's throat for the 3 INTs in the second half, and rightfully so. That is unacceptable. A-Rods second half stat line is 12-24 (50% sucks), 3 INT (sucks), 1 TD (against prevent... awesome!).

The defense takes some blame, sure, but Aaron had the chance to keep pace, and instead couldn't move the ball down the field, and handed NO the win on a silver platter with the INT that they returned to the 3ish.

Some blame? The defense deserves about 80% of the blame. Rodgers could have certainly played better, but the Packers were down ten before he threw his first pick.

After their 3 and out on the first drive of the game the Saints scored 5 straight times. You can't expect your QB to have to score TD's every drive just to hold serve.

I was disappointed in the throw to Jennings. Rodgers had plenty of time and it looked like he read the coverage wrong. David had a great jump on the ball. What if Jennings hadn't slipped though? You're probably looking at an incomplete pass and an offense that could still mix run with pass.

Once the pick happened and Deuce scored, everything changed. The Packers were down 17 and the Saints knew Rodgers would be passing every down. Completely different game after that as the Saints were able to focus solely on rushing the passer. I'd say Nelson let Rodger down on the second INT. He needs to learn to run through the route, as I remember him doing the same thing in another game this year.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Gotta blame him for the loss though. 3 picks is pretty poor.

Way to just look at the box score for what you want to see and ignore the absolute atrocious defensive play by the Pack.

Has Pacopete taken over Partial's acct?

Dude, like I said, Aaron gave them the ball in premo position for two of those touchdowns. Before the interception fest it was 24-21.

That is being a homer not to put significant blame on the QB.

It was 31-21 before his first INT. Yes, that INT led to a TD by New Orleans and it was not a good pass. His 2nd INT was where Nelson stopped his route and the coaches reamed him out for doing so. That INT didn't hurt us at all as the Saints turned it right back over. His 3rd INT was near the end of the game when it was already 51-29. So one of his INTs gave the Saints 7 pts. Our defense gave up 44 other points.

Exactly how is the atrocious play of the defense not the primary reason the Packers lost this game? Blaming A-Rod is laughable. Sounds to me like you didn't even watch the game.

[Badgerinmaine]

The season was lost in the 2nd vikling game.

Now the Packers just don't care.

Nominated for stupid post of the week.

Hey doofus, they are 1 game out of 1st place now.

thats like winning a gold medal in the special olympics

we're a game out of first in what might be the worst division in nfl history
Not to be unkind, but so what? The competition is to get in this year's playoffs, and you deal with the competition you have now. If it's weak, you take advantage of it. When the New York Mets went 83-79 in a totally mediocre division and went on to the 1973 World Series, they didn't say "Well, our division's bad, so we don't deserve to be in the playoffs".

[Badgerinmaine]

Exactly how is the atrocious play of the defense not the primary reason the Packers lost this game?

Absolutely. Rodgers only started throwing picks when they got behind and the Saints knew he was going to have to throw and take chances. My #2 culprit behind the defense would be some awful kick coverage on special teams.

[denverYooper]

Picks happen.

especially in playoff games...

Here's the thing:

I'd rather have 2 TDs and 2 picks, versus no picks and no TDs.


Looks like you got something resembling your wish this game :)

[Partial]

I disagree with you Patler. He couldn't capitalize against a weak secondary with minimal pass rush, and was chucking the ball to the defense left and right. Everyone would be at Favre's throat for the 3 INTs in the second half, and rightfully so. That is unacceptable. A-Rods second half stat line is 12-24 (50% sucks), 3 INT (sucks), 1 TD (against prevent... awesome!).

The defense takes some blame, sure, but Aaron had the chance to keep pace, and instead couldn't move the ball down the field, and handed NO the win on a silver platter with the INT that they returned to the 3ish.

Some blame? The defense deserves about 80% of the blame. Rodgers could have certainly played better, but the Packers were down ten before he threw his first pick.

After their 3 and out on the first drive of the game the Saints scored 5 straight times. You can't expect your QB to have to score TD's every drive just to hold serve.

I was disappointed in the throw to Jennings. Rodgers had plenty of time and it looked like he read the coverage wrong. David had a great jump on the ball. What if Jennings hadn't slipped though? You're probably looking at an incomplete pass and an offense that could still mix run with pass.

Once the pick happened and Deuce scored, everything changed. The Packers were down 17 and the Saints knew Rodgers would be passing every down. Completely different game after that as the Saints were able to focus solely on rushing the passer. I'd say Nelson let Rodger down on the second INT. He needs to learn to run through the route, as I remember him doing the same thing in another game this year.

I agree with you on some, and others I don't. 10 points is a manageable deficit. When Rodgers made his crucial error, he put them in an unmanageable three score game, versus a very manageable two score game.

The picks kept the defense on the field and gassed.

The D played bad no doubt. They get some blame. Equal blame imo to Rodgers.

[arcilite]

I disagree with you Patler. He couldn't capitalize against a weak secondary with minimal pass rush, and was chucking the ball to the defense left and right. Everyone would be at Favre's throat for the 3 INTs in the second half, and rightfully so. That is unacceptable. A-Rods second half stat line is 12-24 (50% sucks), 3 INT (sucks), 1 TD (against prevent... awesome!).

The defense takes some blame, sure, but Aaron had the chance to keep pace, and instead couldn't move the ball down the field, and handed NO the win on a silver platter with the INT that they returned to the 3ish.

Some blame? The defense deserves about 80% of the blame. Rodgers could have certainly played better, but the Packers were down ten before he threw his first pick.

After their 3 and out on the first drive of the game the Saints scored 5 straight times. You can't expect your QB to have to score TD's every drive just to hold serve.

I was disappointed in the throw to Jennings. Rodgers had plenty of time and it looked like he read the coverage wrong. David had a great jump on the ball. What if Jennings hadn't slipped though? You're probably looking at an incomplete pass and an offense that could still mix run with pass.

Once the pick happened and Deuce scored, everything changed. The Packers were down 17 and the Saints knew Rodgers would be passing every down. Completely different game after that as the Saints were able to focus solely on rushing the passer. I'd say Nelson let Rodger down on the second INT. He needs to learn to run through the route, as I remember him doing the same thing in another game this year.

I agree with you on some, and others I don't. 10 points is a manageable deficit. When Rodgers made his crucial error, he put them in an unmanageable three score game, versus a very manageable two score game.

The picks kept the defense on the field and gassed.

The D played bad no doubt. They get some blame. Equal blame imo to Rodgers.

What happened to you and the 'I'd rather have 2 picks and 2 TDs than no picks and no TDs'

[MateoInMex]

The season was lost in the 2nd vikling game.

Now the Packers just don't care.

Nominated for stupid post of the week.

Hey doofus, they are 1 game out of 1st place now.


I don't think the first sentence in California's post was stupid at all. There is merit to it...every game is important obviously...but losing in the Metrodome could end up being the pivotal game of the season. Yes, mathematically they're 1 game out of 1st and that's why a team plays the whole season. Good news is they'll be back at home vs. Carolina..but the Packers have lost their last 3 games on the road. And to make the playoffs, they're going to have to win the NFC NORTH

Losing at the Metrodome with an offensive line MIA and missing a makeable field goal is not how a team can get an edge on clinching a division. They're a game out...yes but they're also 5-6 and would more than likely have to run the table.

[MJZiggy]

I disagree with you Patler. He couldn't capitalize against a weak secondary with minimal pass rush, and was chucking the ball to the defense left and right. Everyone would be at Favre's throat for the 3 INTs in the second half, and rightfully so. That is unacceptable. A-Rods second half stat line is 12-24 (50% sucks), 3 INT (sucks), 1 TD (against prevent... awesome!).

The defense takes some blame, sure, but Aaron had the chance to keep pace, and instead couldn't move the ball down the field, and handed NO the win on a silver platter with the INT that they returned to the 3ish.

Some blame? The defense deserves about 80% of the blame. Rodgers could have certainly played better, but the Packers were down ten before he threw his first pick.

After their 3 and out on the first drive of the game the Saints scored 5 straight times. You can't expect your QB to have to score TD's every drive just to hold serve.

I was disappointed in the throw to Jennings. Rodgers had plenty of time and it looked like he read the coverage wrong. David had a great jump on the ball. What if Jennings hadn't slipped though? You're probably looking at an incomplete pass and an offense that could still mix run with pass.

Once the pick happened and Deuce scored, everything changed. The Packers were down 17 and the Saints knew Rodgers would be passing every down. Completely different game after that as the Saints were able to focus solely on rushing the passer. I'd say Nelson let Rodger down on the second INT. He needs to learn to run through the route, as I remember him doing the same thing in another game this year.

I agree with you on some, and others I don't. 10 points is a manageable deficit. When Rodgers made his crucial error, he put them in an unmanageable three score game, versus a very manageable two score game.

The picks kept the defense on the field and gassed.

The D played bad no doubt. They get some blame. Equal blame imo to Rodgers.

What happened to you and the 'I'd rather have 2 picks and 2 TDs than no picks and no TDs'

P, your Rodgers hate has gone a little overboard here. The Packers TEAM (remember that concept?) put 29 points on the board. Twice Will Blackmon made a TD saving tackle deep in Packer territory. The D were not stopping the Saints offense before the picks and were very consistent through the game. Couldn't stop 'em before the picks and couldn't stop 'em after. It made no difference. As a matter of fact, the announcers mentioned late in the first half that the Saints would strike quick with big plays and the Packers would methodically drive down the field. According to what they were saying the Packers D should have gotten nicely rested between drives and the Saints D should have been gassed. There is a lot of blame to go around in this loss, but to lay a full half of the blame on Rodgers is way overboard. Then how much blame does Nelson get for not finishing his route? 25%?

[Partial]

I don't hate Rodgers. I actually thought this was one of his better games. He was far less skittish than he has been in weeks past, and I felt he held onto the ball just the right amount of time on numerous occasions.

The interceptions were bad throws. That can be fixed. The things I look for are the pocket presence, etc, the things you don't really learn in the class room.

He's progressed, regressed, then progressed again. He's very inconsistent. Note that I have said numerous times he has the skills to be very good. He has a very strong arm and is accurate on the deep ball.

[Patler]

I don't hate Rodgers. I actually thought this was one of his better games. He was far less skittish than he has been in weeks past, and I felt he held onto the ball just the right amount of time on numerous occasions.

The interceptions were bad throws. That can be fixed. The things I look for are the pocket presence, etc, the things you don't really learn in the class room.

He's progressed, regressed, then progressed again. He's very inconsistent. Note that I have said numerous times he has the skills to be very good. He has a very strong arm and is accurate on the deep ball.

Rodgers has not been "skitterish" in the pocket much at all, in any of the games. You made that claim regarding his performance in the MN game, which in my opinion was ridiculous because he stood in the pocket and was crushed many times after getting throws off. Sure, he has left the pocket to run early a few times, but there was running room available on those plays and his running plays have been mostly successful.

Of his three interceptions Monday, the first was the only bad throw. The second very likely would have been a completion if Nelson had finished his route, he was in front of the defender and should have been able to shield him from the ball. The ball was thrown low, where Nelson should have been the only one who could have caught it. It was actually a pretty good throw for that route. The third interception was on a 4th and 16 play and happened after Rodgers extended the play again and again by moving away from would be tacklers. He looked, and looked and looked. With no one apparently open he finally threw it into the end zone to give someone a chance to make a play. What else was he to do in that situation? I have seen nothing from any writer, broadcaster or anyone suggesting that he missed spotting an open receiver on that play. I thought Rodgers did a good job extending the play as long as he did. Taking the sack or throwing it away were not options on fourth down. Putting it up to give a receiver an opportunity was a good decision.

[Fritz]

I don't hate Rodgers. I actually thought this was one of his better games. He was far less skittish than he has been in weeks past, and I felt he held onto the ball just the right amount of time on numerous occasions.

The interceptions were bad throws. That can be fixed. The things I look for are the pocket presence, etc, the things you don't really learn in the class room.

He's progressed, regressed, then progressed again. He's very inconsistent. Note that I have said numerous times he has the skills to be very good. He has a very strong arm and is accurate on the deep ball.

Rodgers has not been "skitterish" in the pocket much at all, in any of the games. You made that claim regarding his performance in the MN game, which in my opinion was ridiculous because he stood in the pocket and was crushed many times after getting throws off. Sure, he has left the pocket to run early a few times, but there was running room available on those plays and his running plays have been mostly successful.

Of his three interceptions Monday, the first was the only bad throw. The second very likely would have been a completion if Nelson had finished his route, he was in front of the defender and should have been able to shield him from the ball. The ball was thrown low, where Nelson should have been the only one who could have caught it. It was actually a pretty good throw for that route. The third interception was on a 4th and 16 play and happened after Rodgers extended the play again and again by moving away from would be tacklers. He looked, and looked and looked. With no one apparently open he finally threw it into the end zone to give someone a chance to make a play. What else was he to do in that situation? I have seen nothing from any writer, broadcaster or anyone suggesting that he missed spotting an open receiver on that play. I thought Rodgers did a good job extending the play as long as he did. Taking the sack or throwing it away were not options on fourth down. Putting it up to give a receiver an opportunity was a good decision.

Sounds like Partial was getting skitterish.

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I don't hate Rodgers. I actually thought this was one of his better games. He was far less skittish than he has been in weeks past, and I felt he held onto the ball just the right amount of time on numerous occasions.

The interceptions were bad throws. That can be fixed. The things I look for are the pocket presence, etc, the things you don't really learn in the class room.

He's progressed, regressed, then progressed again. He's very inconsistent. Note that I have said numerous times he has the skills to be very good. He has a very strong arm and is accurate on the deep ball.

Rodgers has not been "skitterish" in the pocket much at all, in any of the games. You made that claim regarding his performance in the MN game, which in my opinion was ridiculous because he stood in the pocket and was crushed many times after getting throws off. Sure, he has left the pocket to run early a few times, but there was running room available on those plays and his running plays have been mostly successful.

Of his three interceptions Monday, the first was the only bad throw. The second very likely would have been a completion if Nelson had finished his route, he was in front of the defender and should have been able to shield him from the ball. The ball was thrown low, where Nelson should have been the only one who could have caught it. It was actually a pretty good throw for that route. The third interception was on a 4th and 16 play and happened after Rodgers extended the play again and again by moving away from would be tacklers. He looked, and looked and looked. With no one apparently open he finally threw it into the end zone to give someone a chance to make a play. What else was he to do in that situation? I have seen nothing from any writer, broadcaster or anyone suggesting that he missed spotting an open receiver on that play. I thought Rodgers did a good job extending the play as long as he did. Taking the sack or throwing it away were not options on fourth down. Putting it up to give a receiver an opportunity was a good decision.

Sounds like Partial was getting skitterish.

But Partial watches game film. How can that be?