Horrible day in India

[Freak Out]

Looks like Americans and Brits were targeted.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/

[Freak Out]

Anyone flying I would expect the TSA/Homeland to crank the threat level up to a full blown red.

[Kiwon]

People are also stuck in Bangkok, Thailand with the takeover of the new international airport there by anti-government protestors and the second airport shutdown by the government.

I'm sure that the Mumbai airport is under strict security as well so that's disruption at two major hubs in Asia.

There's a lot of frustrated businessmen and families on a Thanksgiving holiday "trapped" right now.

[texaspackerbacker]

The State Department says there is no indication of any American casualties. Apparently, there are only 30 dead altogether, so this whole thing is kinda overblown--symbolism over substance.

Just the same, it would seem to be a major tactical error for the terrorist enemy to provoke India--nearly a billion Muslim-hating Hindus who are nuclear-armed.

Our hole card in this geopolitical poker game, in fact, is India. And while America might show restraint from any catastrophic solution to the radical Muslim problem, India just might not--and that would be just fine with me.

[Kiwon]

Gunmen in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead; hostages taken

MUMBAI, India (AP) — Teams of gunmen stormed luxury hotels, a popular restaurant, a crowded train station and a Jewish center, killing at least 101 people and holding Westerners hostage in coordinated attacks on India's commercial center that were blamed on Muslim militants. Dozens of people were still trapped or held captive Thursday

Police and gunmen were exchanging occasional gunfire at two luxury hotels and dozens of people were believed held hostage or trapped inside the besieged buildings. Pradeep Indulkar, a senior official at the Maharashtra state Home Ministry said 101 people were killed and 314 injured.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-11-26-india-shooting_N.htm

[texaspackerbacker]

Gunmen in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead; hostages taken

MUMBAI, India (AP) — Teams of gunmen stormed luxury hotels, a popular restaurant, a crowded train station and a Jewish center, killing at least 101 people and holding Westerners hostage in coordinated attacks on India's commercial center that were blamed on Muslim militants. Dozens of people were still trapped or held captive Thursday

Police and gunmen were exchanging occasional gunfire at two luxury hotels and dozens of people were believed held hostage or trapped inside the besieged buildings. Pradeep Indulkar, a senior official at the Maharashtra state Home Ministry said 101 people were killed and 314 injured.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-11-26-india-shooting_N.htm

OK, I stand corrected on my "30 killed" figure. that's what I saw on the news last night. Still, 101 falls way short of 3,300 or whatever, especially in a country that has about four times the population of our own.

It sounds like it's still going on, and the death toll could go up. The Prime Minister of India is saying the terrorists have connection to "another country". Don't be surprised if India takes an Israel-like approach, and strikes back internationally. It would be unfortunate if they had another installment of their series of wars with Pakistan--this time with nukes, but I wouldn't mind at all seeing India taking out the major cities and military of Iran.

With a wimpy non-interventionist and possibly even pro-Muslim administration taking over in America, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see an Israel/India alliance doing some serious ass-kicking on their own. That, of course, might trigger an all out war with Muslim countries that even we would be dragged into.

Sooner or later, that all out war against the forces of Islam is coming--the terrorist enemy isn't going to stop pushing until they provoke it, and sooner, IMO, is a helluva lot better than later. Hit them before they have the capability to do serious harm to us.

This would be similar to what General Patton supposedly advocated after World War II--taking on the Soviet Union and eradicating that rats nest with nukes--before they had the capability to retaliate. That would have spared us 50 years of Cold War and threat of nuclear war with them. Taking out world wide Islam now might be similarly beneficial.

America, of course, would never initiate such a thing--especially now with Obama as president, but India and Israel really might get the ball rolling to the extent that we might be drawn in to help finish the job.

The scary thing is that our new excuse for a president is on record stating that if it came down toa war between Muslims and America, that he stands firmly with the Muslims. And America was hoodwinked into electing that America-hating asshole.

I doubt that this war to eradicate Islam will actually happen. It's just a nice Thanksgiving Day thought.

[Freak Out]

If the group is connected to Pakistan in any way India would be stupid to attack or provoke the government. These groups want Pakistan to destabilize and collapse.

[arcilite]

Gunmen in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead; hostages taken

MUMBAI, India (AP) — Teams of gunmen stormed luxury hotels, a popular restaurant, a crowded train station and a Jewish center, killing at least 101 people and holding Westerners hostage in coordinated attacks on India's commercial center that were blamed on Muslim militants. Dozens of people were still trapped or held captive Thursday

Police and gunmen were exchanging occasional gunfire at two luxury hotels and dozens of people were believed held hostage or trapped inside the besieged buildings. Pradeep Indulkar, a senior official at the Maharashtra state Home Ministry said 101 people were killed and 314 injured.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-11-26-india-shooting_N.htm

The scary thing is that our new excuse for a president is on record stating that if it came down toa war between Muslims and America, that he stands firmly with the Muslims. And America was hoodwinked into electing that America-hating asshole.


lol wut

[texaspackerbacker]

Gunmen in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead; hostages taken

MUMBAI, India (AP) — Teams of gunmen stormed luxury hotels, a popular restaurant, a crowded train station and a Jewish center, killing at least 101 people and holding Westerners hostage in coordinated attacks on India's commercial center that were blamed on Muslim militants. Dozens of people were still trapped or held captive Thursday

Police and gunmen were exchanging occasional gunfire at two luxury hotels and dozens of people were believed held hostage or trapped inside the besieged buildings. Pradeep Indulkar, a senior official at the Maharashtra state Home Ministry said 101 people were killed and 314 injured.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-11-26-india-shooting_N.htm

The scary thing is that our new excuse for a president is on record stating that if it came down toa war between Muslims and America, that he stands firmly with the Muslims. And America was hoodwinked into electing that America-hating asshole.


lol wut

"Wut?", You don't believe it? That is among the many sinister items in Obama's background the leftist mainstream media chooses to sweep under the rug.

[arcilite]

Gunmen in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead; hostages taken

MUMBAI, India (AP) — Teams of gunmen stormed luxury hotels, a popular restaurant, a crowded train station and a Jewish center, killing at least 101 people and holding Westerners hostage in coordinated attacks on India's commercial center that were blamed on Muslim militants. Dozens of people were still trapped or held captive Thursday

Police and gunmen were exchanging occasional gunfire at two luxury hotels and dozens of people were believed held hostage or trapped inside the besieged buildings. Pradeep Indulkar, a senior official at the Maharashtra state Home Ministry said 101 people were killed and 314 injured.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-11-26-india-shooting_N.htm

The scary thing is that our new excuse for a president is on record stating that if it came down toa war between Muslims and America, that he stands firmly with the Muslims. And America was hoodwinked into electing that America-hating asshole.


lol wut

"Wut?", You don't believe it? That is among the many sinister items in Obama's background the leftist mainstream media chooses to sweep under the rug.

lol ok.

[bobblehead]

Gunmen in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead; hostages taken

MUMBAI, India (AP) — Teams of gunmen stormed luxury hotels, a popular restaurant, a crowded train station and a Jewish center, killing at least 101 people and holding Westerners hostage in coordinated attacks on India's commercial center that were blamed on Muslim militants. Dozens of people were still trapped or held captive Thursday

Police and gunmen were exchanging occasional gunfire at two luxury hotels and dozens of people were believed held hostage or trapped inside the besieged buildings. Pradeep Indulkar, a senior official at the Maharashtra state Home Ministry said 101 people were killed and 314 injured.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-11-26-india-shooting_N.htm

The scary thing is that our new excuse for a president is on record stating that if it came down toa war between Muslims and America, that he stands firmly with the Muslims. And America was hoodwinked into electing that America-hating asshole.


lol wut

"Wut?", You don't believe it? That is among the many sinister items in Obama's background the leftist mainstream media chooses to sweep under the rug.

gotta back the socialist on this one tex....if you are going to assert that you gotta document it. Thats pretty bold and as much as I can't stand obama and get all the emails from the right, I have never heard this one.

[texaspackerbacker]

Gunmen in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead; hostages taken

MUMBAI, India (AP) — Teams of gunmen stormed luxury hotels, a popular restaurant, a crowded train station and a Jewish center, killing at least 101 people and holding Westerners hostage in coordinated attacks on India's commercial center that were blamed on Muslim militants. Dozens of people were still trapped or held captive Thursday

Police and gunmen were exchanging occasional gunfire at two luxury hotels and dozens of people were believed held hostage or trapped inside the besieged buildings. Pradeep Indulkar, a senior official at the Maharashtra state Home Ministry said 101 people were killed and 314 injured.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-11-26-india-shooting_N.htm

The scary thing is that our new excuse for a president is on record stating that if it came down toa war between Muslims and America, that he stands firmly with the Muslims. And America was hoodwinked into electing that America-hating asshole.


lol wut

"Wut?", You don't believe it? That is among the many sinister items in Obama's background the leftist mainstream media chooses to sweep under the rug.

gotta back the socialist on this one tex....if you are going to assert that you gotta document it. Thats pretty bold and as much as I can't stand obama and get all the emails from the right, I have never heard this one.

OK. I was under the impression that this Obama quote was common enough knowledge that it didn't need documentation, but even though I detest doing research, I dug this up on FactCheck.org--arguably a liberal website, at very least, an objective source:

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"In His Own Words"

The last quote tells all we need to know! Be sure and read that one!

This guy wants to be our President and control our government. Pay close attention to the last comment!! Below are a few lines from Obama's books " his words:

From Dreams of My Father: "I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

From Dreams of My Father : "I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."

From Dreams of My Father : "There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white."

From Dreams of My Father : ; "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

From Dreams of My Father : "I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, Dubois and Mandela."

From Audacity of Hope: "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

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FactCheck.org points out that the context of this quote indicates Obama's support for Muslims in danger of being locked up as security risks--Guantanamo, etc., and not support for Muslim enemies like Iran in international conflicts. That might slightly mitigate the anti-American aspect of Obama's quote, but not much.

[digitaldean]

According to reports at least 5 Americans are dead. One couple (a Rabbi and his wife) were killed in the Mumbai Jewish center.

Another pair were a father and his 13 year old daughter.

This had to take a helluva a lot of pre-planning to carry this out.

If this group is based in Pakistan, it means more animosity between Pakistan and India.

[MadScientist]

From Audacity of Hope: "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Here's the actual quote

FULL QUOTE From Dreams From My Father:

Whenever I appear before immigrant audiences, I can count on some good-natured ribbing from my staff after my speech; according to them, my remarks always follow a three-part structure: “I am your friend,” “[Fill in the home country] has been a cradle of civilization,” and “You embody the American dream.” They’re right, my message is simple, for what I’ve come to understand is that my mere presence before these newly minted Americans serves notice that they matter, that they are voters critical to my success and full-fledged citizens deserving of respect.

Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction. [Page 260-261]
Perhaps if you check your information before posting shit from spam e-mail you won't come off as a complete fucking moron.

[BallHawk]

From Audacity of Hope: "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Here's the actual quote

FULL QUOTE From Dreams From My Father:

Whenever I appear before immigrant audiences, I can count on some good-natured ribbing from my staff after my speech; according to them, my remarks always follow a three-part structure: “I am your friend,” “[Fill in the home country] has been a cradle of civilization,” and “You embody the American dream.” They’re right, my message is simple, for what I’ve come to understand is that my mere presence before these newly minted Americans serves notice that they matter, that they are voters critical to my success and full-fledged citizens deserving of respect.

Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction. [Page 260-261]
Perhaps if you check your information before posting shit from spam e-mail you won't come off as a complete fucking moron.

http://www.freewebs.com/theallmightycow/PWNED!.JPG

[arcilite]

in before TPB says we are all brainwashed zombies of the mainstream liberal media!

[texaspackerbacker]

From Audacity of Hope: "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Here's the actual quote

FULL QUOTE From Dreams From My Father:

Whenever I appear before immigrant audiences, I can count on some good-natured ribbing from my staff after my speech; according to them, my remarks always follow a three-part structure: “I am your friend,” “[Fill in the home country] has been a cradle of civilization,” and “You embody the American dream.” They’re right, my message is simple, for what I’ve come to understand is that my mere presence before these newly minted Americans serves notice that they matter, that they are voters critical to my success and full-fledged citizens deserving of respect.

Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction. [Page 260-261]
Perhaps if you check your information before posting shit from spam e-mail you won't come off as a complete fucking moron.

You can't run and hide from the sinister America-hate that has been spewed by the shithead you backed for president.

The quote I mentioned, as I stated, comes from FactCheck.org--not a conservative source at all. It is common knowledge, and it is from the asshole's own book--Audacity of Hope.

Whatever you cited, if an accurate quote at all, comes the dipshit's other book. If it is an expansion of the original designed to mitigate it, well, whatever. Even your quote, however, is pretty damaging, as he basically discounts the reasoning of American security officials, siding, rather, with the accused terrorists who have been--and should continue to be--locked up without the right of due process afforded to Americans.

Your own quote, much less the one I cited in Obama's book, exposes the bastard as an extremist and an America-hater. You can run, but you can't hide from the rottenness of this piece of crap who has been inflicted on America.

[texaspackerbacker]

According to reports at least 5 Americans are dead. One couple (a Rabbi and his wife) were killed in the Mumbai Jewish center.

Another pair were a father and his 13 year old daughter.

This had to take a helluva a lot of pre-planning to carry this out.

If this group is based in Pakistan, it means more animosity between Pakistan and India.

This is the real point here. The only reason I brought up Obama is that now, India, Israel, etc. are more likely to form their own coalition, knowing an Obama administration will drag its feet in combatting the Muslim terrorist enemy.

A clash of civilizations, however, is coming sooner or later, and India, with a billion or so people and its own nukes, will be a powerful ally against the forces of Islam.

Better sooner than later for that war, while the enemy can be crushed with far less retaliation than if we wait until they have more sophisticated weaponry. (Yes, I know Pakistan has nukes too, but Iran is the more significant threat with its attempts to obtain longer range delivery systems.)

[MJZiggy]

Tex, it's quiz time. What was Barack Obama's FIRST goal. He stated it flatly in each debate and his acceptance speech. Number 1 goal. What was it?

[wist43]

Rule #1.... never believe anything flying out of a politicians mouth.

[bobblehead]

Tex, it's quiz time. What was Barack Obama's FIRST goal. He stated it flatly in each debate and his acceptance speech. Number 1 goal. What was it?

Bill Clintons first goal was a huge massive middle class tax cut. His first ACTION was a middle class tax hike.

[MJZiggy]

Barack Obama is not Bill Clinton. You didn't answer the question.

[bobblehead]

Barack Obama is not Bill Clinton. You didn't answer the question.

You are correct, I don't know what he "stated", I only know what he is going to do based on past history of liberal democratic leaders.

Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi were going to lower the price of gasoline and end pork barrell spending. I stopped listening to democratic campaign promises about 100 days later.

If you would be so kind though, please fill me in. I want to know what to mock in a few months when he hasn't done it.

[MJZiggy]

That is rich. You attack his position without even knowing what it is, based on what other people did in the past. Just because the elder Bush said "read my lips; no new taxes" and then added them doesn't mean his own son mimicked his fiscal actions. And they were freaking father and son. By your logic, all republicans should be trying to invent new taxes all over the place. Why not find out what the dude is actually going to DO before making blind assumptions about it without no information to go on?

And by the way, gas is now at $1.79 a gallon, so I guess Nancy did what she said she would, didn't she?

[Freak Out]

That is rich. You attack his position without even knowing what it is, based on what other people did in the past. Just because the elder Bush said "read my lips; no new taxes" and then added them doesn't mean his own son mimicked his fiscal actions. And they were freaking father and son. By your logic, all republicans should be trying to invent new taxes all over the place. Why not find out what the dude is actually going to DO before making blind assumptions about it without no information to go on?

And by the way, gas is now at $1.79 a gallon, so I guess Nancy did what she said she would, didn't she?

Alaskan's getting hosed still...reg at $2.60.

[BallHawk]

Not to be a topic Nazi, but can we get back to the topic at hand? We have hundreds of threads with this back-and-forth BS, can we have one political thread that focuses on something besides American politics?

Anyways, we'll have to wait a few days, maybe weeks, for more information to come out. I doubt that the terrorists were directly involved with the Pakistani Govt. One can only imagine what the Indian response would be if it was, though. 11 of the terrorists were from Bangladesh, which I found interesting. The other 29 were Pakistani. Some reports say it could be Kashmir-related, but we'll just have to wait and see.

[Partial]

That is rich. You attack his position without even knowing what it is, based on what other people did in the past. Just because the elder Bush said "read my lips; no new taxes" and then added them doesn't mean his own son mimicked his fiscal actions. And they were freaking father and son. By your logic, all republicans should be trying to invent new taxes all over the place. Why not find out what the dude is actually going to DO before making blind assumptions about it without no information to go on?

And by the way, gas is now at $1.79 a gallon, so I guess Nancy did what she said she would, didn't she?

At the price of everyone's 401ks. If you truly believe this isn't deflation, then you're on crack. My parents would much rather have over a million in 401ks with 4 dollars a gallon than 300k and 2 dollars a gallon.

Congrats libs.. you're leading us straight into the great depression! Hope Barry Hussein Obama has a plan for that!!

[Freak Out]

Not to be a topic Nazi, but can we get back to the topic at hand? We have hundreds of threads with this back-and-forth BS, can we have one political thread that focuses on something besides American politics?

Anyways, we'll have to wait a few days, maybe weeks, for more information to come out. I doubt that the terrorists were directly involved with the Pakistani Govt. One can only imagine what the Indian response would be if it was, though. 11 of the terrorists were from Bangladesh, which I found interesting. The other 29 were Pakistani. Some reports say it could be Kashmir-related, but we'll just have to wait and see.

One never knows...there are elements at work within the Pakistani government that would love to see fear spread throughout India.

[MJZiggy]

That is rich. You attack his position without even knowing what it is, based on what other people did in the past. Just because the elder Bush said "read my lips; no new taxes" and then added them doesn't mean his own son mimicked his fiscal actions. And they were freaking father and son. By your logic, all republicans should be trying to invent new taxes all over the place. Why not find out what the dude is actually going to DO before making blind assumptions about it without no information to go on?

And by the way, gas is now at $1.79 a gallon, so I guess Nancy did what she said she would, didn't she?

At the price of everyone's 401ks. If you truly believe this isn't deflation, then you're on crack. My parents would much rather have over a million in 401ks with 4 dollars a gallon than 300k and 2 dollars a gallon.

Congrats libs.. you're leading us straight into the great depression! Hope Barry Hussein Obama has a plan for that!!

We're not talking about 401Ks here. We're not talking about deflation. Try to keep up.

[arcilite]

That is rich. You attack his position without even knowing what it is, based on what other people did in the past. Just because the elder Bush said "read my lips; no new taxes" and then added them doesn't mean his own son mimicked his fiscal actions. And they were freaking father and son. By your logic, all republicans should be trying to invent new taxes all over the place. Why not find out what the dude is actually going to DO before making blind assumptions about it without no information to go on?

And by the way, gas is now at $1.79 a gallon, so I guess Nancy did what she said she would, didn't she?

At the price of everyone's 401ks. If you truly believe this isn't deflation, then you're on crack. My parents would much rather have over a million in 401ks with 4 dollars a gallon than 300k and 2 dollars a gallon.

Congrats libs.. you're leading us straight into the great depression! Hope Barry Hussein Obama has a plan for that!!

Yeah those liberals that have been in the White House the past 8 years sure led us here...

wait..

what?

[bobblehead]

That is rich. You attack his position without even knowing what it is, based on what other people did in the past. Just because the elder Bush said "read my lips; no new taxes" and then added them doesn't mean his own son mimicked his fiscal actions. And they were freaking father and son. By your logic, all republicans should be trying to invent new taxes all over the place. Why not find out what the dude is actually going to DO before making blind assumptions about it without no information to go on?

And by the way, gas is now at $1.79 a gallon, so I guess Nancy did what she said she would, didn't she?

I'm pretty sure I have attacked both bush presidents quite aggressively. But still, please tell me what it was he said would be the first thing he is going to do. Yes, I mock him without knowing what that position is because he is a liberal democrat and I know what he is going to actually do, just like I know what a "compassionate' conservative is actually going to do.

[BallHawk]

One never knows...there are elements at work within the Pakistani government that would love to see fear spread throughout India.

Most definitely. But does the Pakistani govt. want to risk the retaliation from India if India found out Pakistan was involved?

[Kiwon]

Here's a solid article giving a concise summary of what happened.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122809281744967855.html

[texaspackerbacker]

Tex, it's quiz time. What was Barack Obama's FIRST goal. He stated it flatly in each debate and his acceptance speech. Number 1 goal. What was it?

Sorry for the delay. A kick-in-the-balls loss like last Sunday sometimes turns me off to all posting for a few days.

I don't honestly know. Would you think me callous if I said I don't give a damn either? Actually, I am curious--especially as to what it might be that is relevant to this discussion.

[texaspackerbacker]

Not to be a topic Nazi, but can we get back to the topic at hand? We have hundreds of threads with this back-and-forth BS, can we have one political thread that focuses on something besides American politics?

Anyways, we'll have to wait a few days, maybe weeks, for more information to come out. I doubt that the terrorists were directly involved with the Pakistani Govt. One can only imagine what the Indian response would be if it was, though. 11 of the terrorists were from Bangladesh, which I found interesting. The other 29 were Pakistani. Some reports say it could be Kashmir-related, but we'll just have to wait and see.

I'm with you on that, Ballhawk. This is the same thing that got us Obama in the first place, though--people not giving a damn about serious foreign policy and security discussions where Obama is so weak, and diverting to less important crap that he can more easily sell to people.

If Israel and America are the top two targets of the evil Muslim enemy, then India would certainly be #3. There WILL be a clash of civilizations at some point--brought about because the enemy is pushing for it to happen. Unlike many Americans, I say "Bring It On!". India is the difference-maker in this grand struggle. The Muslim enemy may see some short-term gain in disrupting things there, but in the longer term, they will regret it.

[LL2]

I found this interesting...

Mumbai Massacre Proves Gun Control Works–for Terrorists
by Bill Levinson

The recent massacre in Mumbai underscores the effectiveness of gun control laws such as those supported by Dianne Feinstein, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Michael Bloomberg, the Brady Campaign, the Violence Policy Center, and others. India’s strict gun control laws were quite effective in killing more than a hundred innocent citizens and police officers, per “India Security Faulted as Survivors Tell of Terror.”

B.S. Sidhu, head of the Railway Protection Force for the Mumbai region, says that while some officers tried to fight back, there was little his force could do. Most police officers at the station — as they are throughout India — were unarmed or carried only bamboo sticks known as lathis.

Lesson #1: Don’t bring a bamboo stick to a gunfight.

At about 9:45 p.m., two gunmen, slender and in their mid-20s, ran up the circular driveway at the entrance to the Trident. They shot the security guard and two bellhops. The hotel had metal detectors, but none of its security personnel carried weapons because of the difficulties in obtaining gun permits from the Indian government…

Lesson #2: Terrorists and criminals don’t obey gun control laws.

The three policemen armed with guns drew them. The nine others waved their bamboo sticks. Revving the engine, the car tried to U-turn but got stuck on the median. The man in the passenger seat rolled out and started shooting, killing one officer and wounding another. The surviving baton-wielding officers jumped on him, knocking him unconscious. Policemen with guns shot the driver dead.

Lesson #1, repeated: Don’t bring a bamboo stick to a gunfight.

We have seen just how well gun control laws worked out for the innocent people of Mumbai, and perhaps it is time for the citizens of New York City, Washington DC, and Chicago to learn from the example and demand the repeal of their cities’ gun laws.

http://www.israpundit.com/2008/?p=6121

[texaspackerbacker]

While I am obviously sympathetic to your pro-gun stance, that alone is far from the key to avoiding terrorist hits like this or worse. If they get close enough to where cops with guns can do any good, the situation is probably way out of hand, especially if some sort of WMDs are involved.

Actionable intelligence and pre-emptive wars are what has been successful since 9/11, and what is needed to defeat the terrorist enemy, and our president-elect has campaigned against both of those keys. That is why we will be damn lucky if we survive his presidency without something far worse than the Mumbai scenario in this country.