Al's Paraniod

[sheepshead]

AL HARRIS THINKS HE’S DONE IN GREEN BAY
Posted by Michael David Smith on November 28, 2008, 1:48 p.m. EST

Packers cornerback Al Harris is in his sixth season in Green Bay, and he still has three more years on his contract.

But he’s about to turn 34, and Harris thinks he’s too old for what the Packers want on defense. Although he hasn’t heard anything from General Manager Ted Thompson, Harris tells Jason Wilde of the Wisconsin State Journal that he thinks he’s going to be done after this year.

“I think that’s going to happen. And not from my performance or anything, but we’re going young,” Harris said. “I haven’t talked to Ted about it. I’ve just got a gut feeling that that’s the direction our team is headed. That’s what happens in the league. I just have to make sure that I’m on top of my game. Every game I play is an audition. I have to make sure that I put good stuff on tape.”

Harris said he thinks the Packers will move forward with their younger cornerbacks, Tramon Williams, Will Blackmon and Pat Lee, and that the team is likely to trade him after the season.

But Harris said he’s not close to being ready to retire: “I love playing the game. So I’m going to get all I can get out of this thing.”

[packers11]

I hope its not true, this would just be stupid on T.T.'s part...

[texaspackerbacker]

As good as he has done since coming back from the spleen thing, and as solid as he as been on and off the field for the Packers, I'd trade him if the price was right--a second rounder, maybe as low as a third rounder. It would be the smart thing to do. Harris knows that--it's not paranoia; It's common sense, the way things are.

[Bretsky]

It would be stupid to let him go; that being said it seems GB is always looknig to get younger. This might be a way to save money on the cap

[RashanGary]

With the way Al is playing and how shitty Blackmon, Bush and Patrick Lee are, I'd think he'll be here at least another year.

I have no hope for Bush or Blackmon ever playing defense. Maybe Patrick Lee catches on and they draft another one in the up coming draft. For now there is no reason to get rid of Al. Worst case, maybe you start Tramon and bring Al in as nickle back for a year. He's still a really good player.

Tausch could be gone just because he's a UFA and so could Clifton. I think they have more to think about than Harris right now.

[3irty1]

It bothers me that these are concerns of Al's already. Makes me wonder how many other veterans on our team are worried about being replaced by younger, cheaper, players. I might also sense a little bit of bitterness about the recent moves with Vets like Favre and especially KGB.

That being said I don't see him being moved. You can't really have too many corners and Al is still playing well. Plus he's got to be worth more to us than to anybody else if only because of our scheme.

[red]

this sounds about right

tt has the chance to get rid of a vet with a higher cap number, and pick up another draft pick that he can spend on another wr or qb :roll:

[prsnfoto]

HE WOULD LOOK GOOD IN JETS UNI. All kidding aside if this is how more players than just Al feel the wheels on the bus are starting to come off because the youth ain't ready to carry this team yet.

[red]

HE WOULD LOOK GOOD IN JETS UNI. All kidding aside if this is how more players than just Al feel the wheels on the bus are starting to come off because the youth ain't ready to carry this team yet.

yeah, this is one of our main team leaders. if he's come out in public and said these things, then maybe there is a real problem in the locker room

and i say we ditch the scheme all together if we get rid of al. bring in the tampa 2 or cover 2. something that doesn't require the most gifted cb's in the world

[DonHutson]

Hey Al. The Packers don't trade useful veterens just for being old. They trade them for being a pain in the ass. You need to step up the disfunction and distraction big time if you want to be next.

Strange comments though.

[DonHutson]

Makes me wonder how many other veterans on our team are worried about being replaced by younger, cheaper, players.

I hope ALL of them.

But you make a good point about possible bitterness about some of the vets.

[bobblehead]

this sounds about right

tt has the chance to get rid of a vet with a higher cap number, and pick up another draft pick that he can spend on another wr or qb :roll:

I guess you are basing this off the fact that TT is the one who gave him the contract he is under right?

I'm glad Al is paranoid...keep being scared, keep auditioning..keep feeling the pressure to play lights out.

I guess though, all those highly effective veterans that TT has gotten rid of, I can dream what might have been....Walker, Rivera, Sharper, Longwell, ah, what might have been..............

The only one I consider a mistake was Wahle.

[Fred's Slacks]

I am not concerned about these statements. I also don't think Al is going anywhere. If any of our problems this year where caused by him then I might think different but Al has been great. Why on earth would we get rid of one of our most consistent players when consistency is clearly a big problem with this team? It makes no sense. If his contract was ridiculous, that would be one thing but I don't think that's the case.

This is very different from KGB and Favre. KGB couldn't produce anymore. He had a large contract. Put the two together and you have one of the sad realities of the NFL. No matter how great of a guy KGB is in the locker room and the community, you have to make the business decision to move on. If Al retires and unretires a couple times this offseason then we can compare his to Favre's situation but even then, its a different situation when you're talking about a QB (only one plays and the rest ride the pine) and a CB (usually 4 play extensively). There is plenty of room on the roster for Wood, T-Will and Al.

Besides, I like the fact that the veterans can't sit back in a "country club" like atmosphere. Why shouldn't they have to work as hard as they young guys? At 5-6 nobody should be safe. If you're not performing, you'd better fix it or you will be gone for someone younger. But, like I said, there has been no problem with Al's performance.

[Bretsky]

I am not concerned about these statements. I also don't think Al is going anywhere. If any of our problems this year where caused by him then I might think different but Al has been great. Why on earth would we get rid of one of our most consistent players when consistency is clearly a big problem with this team? It makes no sense. If his contract was ridiculous, that would be one thing but I don't think that's the case.

This is very different from KGB and Favre. KGB couldn't produce anymore. He had a large contract. Put the two together and you have one of the sad realities of the NFL. No matter how great of a guy KGB is in the locker room and the community, you have to make the business decision to move on. If Al retires and unretires a couple times this offseason then we can compare his to Favre's situation but even then, its a different situation when you're talking about a QB (only one plays and the rest ride the pine) and a CB (usually 4 play extensively). There is plenty of room on the roster for Wood, T-Will and Al.

Besides, I like the fact that the veterans can't sit back in a "country club" like atmosphere. Why shouldn't they have to work as hard as they young guys? At 5-6 nobody should be safe. If you're not performing, you'd better fix it or you will be gone for someone younger. But, like I said, there has been no problem with Al's performance.


Gotta be curious if Al's statements reflect how he feels GB has treated the vets. If it is I don't agree with Al's message....but still have to wonder

[pack4to84]

I believe that it is because he can't play zone defense and coaching staff know they can't play man2man all the time. That is why they had more INT when he was out because they switched to more zone defense. My brother told me not to say anything because he was afraid that other teams might check out this forum for insight. I notice that when we ran zone with AL was on the sidelines resting. Then back to man2man when he was back out there. Saints recognized it too. When someone tips it off that is zone you can attack it to easy.

[packers11]

That is an extremely good observation pack4to84... I know he is pretty bad at zone, but im surprised the coaching staff hasn't tried to help him out a bit...

This team does have the best man-to-man corners, but they do indeed need to mix it up, if this is the case, it is more likley he won't be in a GB uniform.

Shouldn't it be the coaches job though to make sure he adjusts and learns the zone scheme just as well... :?:

[Partial]

I am not concerned about these statements. I also don't think Al is going anywhere. If any of our problems this year where caused by him then I might think different but Al has been great. Why on earth would we get rid of one of our most consistent players when consistency is clearly a big problem with this team? It makes no sense. If his contract was ridiculous, that would be one thing but I don't think that's the case.

This is very different from KGB and Favre. KGB couldn't produce anymore. He had a large contract. Put the two together and you have one of the sad realities of the NFL. No matter how great of a guy KGB is in the locker room and the community, you have to make the business decision to move on. If Al retires and unretires a couple times this offseason then we can compare his to Favre's situation but even then, its a different situation when you're talking about a QB (only one plays and the rest ride the pine) and a CB (usually 4 play extensively). There is plenty of room on the roster for Wood, T-Will and Al.

Besides, I like the fact that the veterans can't sit back in a "country club" like atmosphere. Why shouldn't they have to work as hard as they young guys? At 5-6 nobody should be safe. If you're not performing, you'd better fix it or you will be gone for someone younger. But, like I said, there has been no problem with Al's performance.


Gotta be curious if Al's statements reflect how he feels GB has treated the vets. If it is I don't agree with Al's message....but still have to wonder

Well, to be fair, they have treated vets very poorly. They sent Favre packing obviously, they forced a very capable long snapper into retirement, haven't offered extensions to steady Mark Tauscher and Chad Clifton, etc.

[DonHutson]

My brother told me not to say anything because he was afraid that other teams might check out this forum for insight.

That might pass for scouting in Detroit (along with a few select phone calls), but I highly doubt professional teams have the time or inclination to monitor this or any other fan forum. There's nothing here they can't learn on film or out of the media other than our opinions. I suspect those are valuable only to ourselves.

[Brando19]

Makes me wonder what he's heard that he's not saying. Maybe he hasn't heard anything straight from the horse's ass, I mean mouth...but maybe he's heard something from Ted's messengers. I hope he stays for another year or two.

[ThunderDan]

I am not concerned about these statements. I also don't think Al is going anywhere. If any of our problems this year where caused by him then I might think different but Al has been great. Why on earth would we get rid of one of our most consistent players when consistency is clearly a big problem with this team? It makes no sense. If his contract was ridiculous, that would be one thing but I don't think that's the case.

This is very different from KGB and Favre. KGB couldn't produce anymore. He had a large contract. Put the two together and you have one of the sad realities of the NFL. No matter how great of a guy KGB is in the locker room and the community, you have to make the business decision to move on. If Al retires and unretires a couple times this offseason then we can compare his to Favre's situation but even then, its a different situation when you're talking about a QB (only one plays and the rest ride the pine) and a CB (usually 4 play extensively). There is plenty of room on the roster for Wood, T-Will and Al.

Besides, I like the fact that the veterans can't sit back in a "country club" like atmosphere. Why shouldn't they have to work as hard as they young guys? At 5-6 nobody should be safe. If you're not performing, you'd better fix it or you will be gone for someone younger. But, like I said, there has been no problem with Al's performance.


Gotta be curious if Al's statements reflect how he feels GB has treated the vets. If it is I don't agree with Al's message....but still have to wonder

Well, to be fair, they have treated vets very poorly. They sent Favre packing obviously, they forced a very capable long snapper into retirement, haven't offered extensions to steady Mark Tauscher and Chad Clifton, etc.

I think the Favre situation was an anomoly. I don't think TT has treated other vets poorly.

The way Clifton and Tauscher have played this year, especially Clifton, I don't know if you do extend them.

[Tarlam!]

Any way you try and spin this, Al's public comments are remarkable and puzzling.

He's always seemed to be a team first player. He welcomed Wood with open arms. He was, seemingly, genuinely happy with the performance of his injury replacement, but added the caveat he was still better. So, he seemed confident enough.

I just don't get this at all.

[Rastak]

My brother told me not to say anything because he was afraid that other teams might check out this forum for insight.

That might pass for scouting in Detroit (along with a few select phone calls), but I highly doubt professional teams have the time or inclination to monitor this or any other fan forum. There's nothing here they can't learn on film or out of the media other than our opinions. I suspect those are valuable only to ourselves.


Most teams find it much easier and quicker to just read internet forums than break down film when looking for tendencies.


:roll:

Pack4to84, if you ever find yourself in a squabble with your bro, I'd throw this one in his face every time.

[wist43]

Don't know how anyone can blame Harris for thinking that... TT has been around long enough to see his MO.

Don't know if Harris will be shown the door or not, but it's pretty obvious that TT couldn't care less about keeping a vet when there is a pool 836 draft picks to pluck a cheap guy from.

[bobblehead]

Don't know how anyone can blame Harris for thinking that... TT has been around long enough to see his MO.

Don't know if Harris will be shown the door or not, but it's pretty obvious that TT couldn't care less about keeping a vet when there is a pool 836 draft picks to pluck a cheap guy from.

Again, evidence please. What 30 year old who had more than one good season left has TT cut loose? Please, enlighten me with all the names. Show me all those great players who he cut lose that went on to great success with other teams. So far we have BF playing well with the jets (although still leading the NFL in picks). Even the one I wanted, Wahle, was so dominant he got cut by the team that signed him after us.

[wist43]

Wahle, Favre, Williams, Walker... off the top of my head.

It isn't even so much guys he doesn't keep on the roster... the guys he has signed out of FA came on board b/c there was pretty much no interest in them elsewhere in the league. The fact that Woodson and Pickett worked out is immaterial.

TT is all about young guys - his young guys - and always will be.

[bobblehead]

Wahle, Favre, Williams, Walker... off the top of my head.

It isn't even so much guys he doesn't keep on the roster... the guys he has signed out of FA came on board b/c there was pretty much no interest in them elsewhere in the league. The fact that Woodson and Pickett worked out is immaterial.

TT is all about young guys - his young guys - and always will be.

Again, Favre is playing ok, but he probably only has this season left. And even if he doesn't, did we really want to go thru that again next season?? Wahle was so good he got cut after he left us. Walker flat out has stank since he be gone. Williams has been a 6 million dollar disappointment in cleveland. (although I would be interested in what WE offered him midway thru last season to see if TT tried to keep him). He was an inside pass rush specialist that got big time starter money....not much we could do , but recover a 2nd for him.

Woodson, Pickett, Chillar, Kuhn, Bigby, Tramon Williams, and Ruvell Martin ALL worked out pretty well, and only Woodson cost an arm and a leg. TT is not in the habit of handing Joe Johnson HUGE money....thank GOD!!

[cpk1994]

Wahle, Favre, Williams, Walker... off the top of my head.

It isn't even so much guys he doesn't keep on the roster... the guys he has signed out of FA came on board b/c there was pretty much no interest in them elsewhere in the league. The fact that Woodson and Pickett worked out is immaterial.

TT is all about young guys - his young guys - and always will be.YOu are using Walker to make your argument? Seriously? Walker has done absolutely nothing since leaving and his career is basically over. Williams? Seriously? What exactly has he done in Cleveland? USing those two to make your argument is so weak it ain't even funny. Your hatred of TT really makes you look stupid.

EDIT: Also, if TT is only about younger guys, why did Donald Driver get an extension?

[DonHutson]

TT is all about young guys - his young guys - and always will be.

It's a young man's game.

[Bretsky]

Wahle, Favre, Williams, Walker... off the top of my head.

It isn't even so much guys he doesn't keep on the roster... the guys he has signed out of FA came on board b/c there was pretty much no interest in them elsewhere in the league. The fact that Woodson and Pickett worked out is immaterial.

TT is all about young guys - his young guys - and always will be.


Gotta have Darren Sharper in here. Don't think I'd put Javon in there.

[prsnfoto]

Wahle, Favre, Williams, Walker... off the top of my head.

It isn't even so much guys he doesn't keep on the roster... the guys he has signed out of FA came on board b/c there was pretty much no interest in them elsewhere in the league. The fact that Woodson and Pickett worked out is immaterial.

TT is all about young guys - his young guys - and always will be.YOu are using Walker to make your argument? Seriously? Walker has done absolutely nothing since leaving and his career is basically over. Williams? Seriously? What exactly has he done in Cleveland? USing those two to make your argument is so weak it ain't even funny. Your hatred of TT really makes you look stupid.

EDIT: Also, if TT is only about younger guys, why did Donald Driver get an extension?



Williams has played well the games I have watched but hey the team sucks how are you gonna get noticed but he is 5 times the player Harrell is course that only makes him average. Driver got a few million up front for his extension he ain't ever gonna see those 7 and 8 million dollar years it was a nice gesture from TT but he didn't shower him with love, same with Al's deal if I remember right he got some up front but I think he is kinda cheap at the end like 3-4 million a year TT would be a fucking idiot to cut him over that but then again I think he is a stupid motherfucker and agree wist.

[wist43]

I use Walker b/c I would have handled the whole thing different from the start... I would have signed him b/4 the start of that season, he's happy, and everything probably turns out different.

The fact that he flamed out after getting injured and leaving isn't the point. I would have signed him. He was displaying big time upside, with big play capability... however, the only thing you can't account for is character, and to the point where his discontent began to kick in, he had been a pretty good citizen. Of course, he went the punk route after he left... maybe the Packer organization saw that in his makeup, and that's why they let him go, but based solely on talent and production to that point, he was a no-brainer resigning.

[wist43]

TT is all about young guys - his young guys - and always will be.

It's a young man's game.

I'm 46 years old, and 120 lbs lighter than Harrell... can still kick his ass :lol:

[Partial]

Again, Favre is playing ok, but he probably only has this season left. And even if he doesn't, did we really want to go thru that again next season?? Wahle was so good he got cut after he left us. Walker flat out has stank since he be gone. Williams has been a 6 million dollar disappointment in cleveland. (although I would be interested in what WE offered him midway thru last season to see if TT tried to keep him). He was an inside pass rush specialist that got big time starter money....not much we could do , but recover a 2nd for him.

Woodson, Pickett, Chillar, Kuhn, Bigby, Tramon Williams, and Ruvell Martin ALL worked out pretty well, and only Woodson cost an arm and a leg. TT is not in the habit of handing Joe Johnson HUGE money....thank GOD!!

Favre is playing at an MVP level the past few weeks since settling into the offense. He has had one year left for years. What evidence is there to think he'd be playing poorly next year? None. We shouldn't have gone through it in the first place if we had any other GM in the league. I've never heard of a GM demanding a decision by the end of February.

Wahle got cut after 3 solid years as a cap casualty. He played great his first year, despite readjusting to a new scheme.

Walker had a legendary year in Denver, then injuries caught up with him. Saying he stunk is a severe misjudgment.

You can say that Williams has been a 6 million dollar dissapointment.. but our DL has performance has been horrendous at best this year. They don't have any depth, can't rush the passer or stop the run, etc. While I thought getting rid of Corey Williams was a good deal at the time, I am not paid to make these decisions. Clearly TT had an error in judgement in letting go Williams.

I don't get your point on the other guys. What is it?

[sheepshead]

Wahle, Favre, Williams, Walker... off the top of my head.

It isn't even so much guys he doesn't keep on the roster... the guys he has signed out of FA came on board b/c there was pretty much no interest in them elsewhere in the league. The fact that Woodson and Pickett worked out is immaterial.

TT is all about young guys - his young guys - and always will be.

I dont regret any of those guys leaving.

[DonHutson]

Wahle got cut after 3 solid years as a cap casualty. He played great his first year, despite readjusting to a new scheme.

Walker had a legendary year in Denver, then injuries caught up with him. Saying he stunk is a severe misjudgment.


So if anything, Ted got rid of these guys one year too soon. I'd prefer that to giving them 4 or 5 year contracts to capture that one good year.

He got rid of Green and Rivera at the right time. We'll see about Favre, but that scenario was about more than on the field stuff anyway.

He probably held on to Franks and Henderson too long. KGB also. We might be adding Clifton to that list.

Sharper and Longwell continued to be productive for several years, but Longwell was fairly easily replaced and Sharper has continued his pattern of several blown tackles and bad angles for every big play he makes. It got him in the Pro Bowl another time or two, but I don't miss him.

So he kept some and he got rid of many, but I would argue most of those moves worked out. It's fairly predeictable that a guy is going to decline in his 30's. If he's going to make a mistake, I'd prefer he gets rid of a guy too early.

As for Walker, injuries are not his only problem. No maturity and no brains made Javon a lost cause.

[3irty1]

Javon Walker was a pain in the ass. He really can't be lumped in with the other guys who were willing and able to play.

[sheepshead]

Again, Favre is playing ok, but he probably only has this season left. And even if he doesn't, did we really want to go thru that again next season?? Wahle was so good he got cut after he left us. Walker flat out has stank since he be gone. Williams has been a 6 million dollar disappointment in cleveland. (although I would be interested in what WE offered him midway thru last season to see if TT tried to keep him). He was an inside pass rush specialist that got big time starter money....not much we could do , but recover a 2nd for him.

Woodson, Pickett, Chillar, Kuhn, Bigby, Tramon Williams, and Ruvell Martin ALL worked out pretty well, and only Woodson cost an arm and a leg. TT is not in the habit of handing Joe Johnson HUGE money....thank GOD!!

Favre is playing at an MVP level the past few weeks since settling into the offense. He has had one year left for years. What evidence is there to think he'd be playing poorly next year? None. We shouldn't have gone through it in the first place if we had any other GM in the league. I've never heard of a GM demanding a decision by the end of February.

Wahle got cut after 3 solid years as a cap casualty. He played great his first year, despite readjusting to a new scheme.

Walker had a legendary year in Denver, then injuries caught up with him. Saying he stunk is a severe misjudgment.

You can say that Williams has been a 6 million dollar dissapointment.. but our DL has performance has been horrendous at best this year. They don't have any depth, can't rush the passer or stop the run, etc. While I thought getting rid of Corey Williams was a good deal at the time, I am not paid to make these decisions. Clearly TT had an error in judgement in letting go Williams.

I don't get your point on the other guys. What is it?

Walker? Legendary? It was a nice season-look it up. jurys out on Williams.

[sheepshead]

here's some help:

* 1,497, Robert Brooks, 1995
* 1,461, Sterling Sharpe, 1992
* 1,424, Antonio Freeman, 1998
* 1,423, Sterling Sharpe, 1989
* 1,382, Javon Walker, 2004
* 1,361, James Lofton, 1984
* 1,300, James Lofton, 1983
* 1,295, Donald Driver, 2006
* 1,294, James Lofton, 1981
* 1,274, Sterling Sharpe, 1993
* 1,243, Antonio Freeman, 1997
* 1,231, Billy Howton, 1952
* 1,226, James Lofton, 1980
* 1,221, Donald Driver, 2005
* 1,211, Don Hutson, 1942
* 1,208, Donald Driver, 2004
* 1,188, Billy Howton, 1956
* 1,153, James Lofton, 1985
* 1,119, Sterling Sharpe, 1994
* 1,105, Sterling Sharpe, 1990
* 1,074, Antonio Freeman, 1999
* 1,064, Donald Driver, 2002
* 1,051, Bill Schroeder, 1999
* 1,048, Donald Driver, 2007
* 1,010, Robert Brooks, 1997

[3irty1]

here's some help:

* 1,497, Robert Brooks, 1995
* 1,461, Sterling Sharpe, 1992
* 1,424, Antonio Freeman, 1998
* 1,423, Sterling Sharpe, 1989
* 1,382, Javon Walker, 2004
* 1,361, James Lofton, 1984
* 1,300, James Lofton, 1983
* 1,295, Donald Driver, 2006
* 1,294, James Lofton, 1981
* 1,274, Sterling Sharpe, 1993
* 1,243, Antonio Freeman, 1997
* 1,231, Billy Howton, 1952
* 1,226, James Lofton, 1980
* 1,221, Donald Driver, 2005
* 1,211, Don Hutson, 1942
* 1,208, Donald Driver, 2004
* 1,188, Billy Howton, 1956
* 1,153, James Lofton, 1985
* 1,119, Sterling Sharpe, 1994
* 1,105, Sterling Sharpe, 1990
* 1,074, Antonio Freeman, 1999
* 1,064, Donald Driver, 2002
* 1,051, Bill Schroeder, 1999
* 1,048, Donald Driver, 2007
* 1,010, Robert Brooks, 1997

He said in Denver. 1084 Yards and 8 TDs.

[Zool]

here's some help:

* 1,497, Robert Brooks, 1995
* 1,461, Sterling Sharpe, 1992
* 1,424, Antonio Freeman, 1998
* 1,423, Sterling Sharpe, 1989
* 1,382, Javon Walker, 2004
* 1,361, James Lofton, 1984
* 1,300, James Lofton, 1983
* 1,295, Donald Driver, 2006
* 1,294, James Lofton, 1981
* 1,274, Sterling Sharpe, 1993
* 1,243, Antonio Freeman, 1997
* 1,231, Billy Howton, 1952
* 1,226, James Lofton, 1980
* 1,221, Donald Driver, 2005
* 1,211, Don Hutson, 1942
* 1,208, Donald Driver, 2004
* 1,188, Billy Howton, 1956
* 1,153, James Lofton, 1985
* 1,119, Sterling Sharpe, 1994
* 1,105, Sterling Sharpe, 1990
* 1,074, Antonio Freeman, 1999
* 1,064, Donald Driver, 2002
* 1,051, Bill Schroeder, 1999
* 1,048, Donald Driver, 2007
* 1,010, Robert Brooks, 1997

He said in Denver. 1084 Yards and 8 TDs.

In that case, there's been about 6000 legendary seasons by WR's in the last 20 years.

[bobblehead]

Again, Favre is playing ok, but he probably only has this season left. And even if he doesn't, did we really want to go thru that again next season?? Wahle was so good he got cut after he left us. Walker flat out has stank since he be gone. Williams has been a 6 million dollar disappointment in cleveland. (although I would be interested in what WE offered him midway thru last season to see if TT tried to keep him). He was an inside pass rush specialist that got big time starter money....not much we could do , but recover a 2nd for him.

Woodson, Pickett, Chillar, Kuhn, Bigby, Tramon Williams, and Ruvell Martin ALL worked out pretty well, and only Woodson cost an arm and a leg. TT is not in the habit of handing Joe Johnson HUGE money....thank GOD!!

Favre is playing at an MVP level the past few weeks since settling into the offense. He has had one year left for years. What evidence is there to think he'd be playing poorly next year? None.

you're right, my bad....no evidence at all to suggest a 40 year old might drop off a bit, WHAT THE HELL WAS I THINKING!!!

[bobblehead]

Again, Favre is playing ok, but he probably only has this season left. And even if he doesn't, did we really want to go thru that again next season?? Wahle was so good he got cut after he left us. Walker flat out has stank since he be gone. Williams has been a 6 million dollar disappointment in cleveland. (although I would be interested in what WE offered him midway thru last season to see if TT tried to keep him). He was an inside pass rush specialist that got big time starter money....not much we could do , but recover a 2nd for him.

Woodson, Pickett, Chillar, Kuhn, Bigby, Tramon Williams, and Ruvell Martin ALL worked out pretty well, and only Woodson cost an arm and a leg. TT is not in the habit of handing Joe Johnson HUGE money....thank GOD!!

Wahle got cut after 3 solid years as a cap casualty. He played great his first year, despite readjusting to a new scheme.


Seems to me that is EXACTLY what TT did, but I guess its ok if someone else does it, not TT.