Official PACKERS vs. jags Gameday Thread

[Guiness]

nice march down the field

[Gunakor]

For those of us just following along here...can anyone explain what happened here:

3-1-JAC15 (3:40) D.Garrard pass short left to G.Estandia to JAX 18 for 3 yards (A.Hawk).
4-1-JAC15 (3:18) S.Weatherford punts 54 yards to GB 31, Center-J.Zelenka.

A 3rd and 1, three yard completion, then a punt on fourth and one?

I see there was a challenge - was the pass ruled incomplete?

Yes it was. McCarthy is 2 for 2 in challenges so far today.

[MJZiggy]

For those of us just following along here...can anyone explain what happened here:

3-1-JAC15 (3:40) D.Garrard pass short left to G.Estandia to JAX 18 for 3 yards (A.Hawk).
4-1-JAC15 (3:18) S.Weatherford punts 54 yards to GB 31, Center-J.Zelenka.

A 3rd and 1, three yard completion, then a punt on fourth and one?

I see there was a challenge - was the pass ruled incomplete?Yes. M3 won the challenge and gets another because he was right both times.

[pack4to84]

I would like to see when it is 2 and 1 to do a play action play

[HarveyWallbangers]

I could really use another Jennings TD for my fantasy league.

[jmbarnes101]

2nd and one would be a perfect bootleg down, or even on 3rd and short. Instead we run and can't pick up a 1st down. C'mon MM. Give them a chance to actually succeed.

[Gunakor]

He's short. Too long for a FG, and might be too short for a pooch punt. I say just run Rodgers between the center and guard and get the first. That play hasn't been stopped by anyone all season when we only need half a yard.

[Bretsky]

I could really use another Jennings TD for my fantasy league.


I need one from Driver
Or Lee Evans :!:

[gbgary]

don't like these 3rd and short play calls

me too. for some reason we can't just bull rush for one yard or call a play-action roll-out. it always seems to be run sideways or go deep.

[jmbarnes101]

I could really use another Jennings TD for my fantasy league.

you and me both.

[GBRulz]

I could really use another Jennings TD for my fantasy league.

blah blah blah...haven't you insinuated all year that your team sucks anyhow? :wink:

[HarveyWallbangers]

It's not for PR. It's for a money league. I have a great team in that league. Best record, most points, etc.

QB Cutler, Schaub
RB Barber, Forte, T. Jones, C. Johnson
WR Wayne, Jennings, Marshall, Walter, Berrian, Mason

[pack4to84]

didn't get it

[MJZiggy]

Dammit dammit dammit!

[Gunakor]

That was a bad call. Just let Rodgers get low and underneath the center and guard, and pick up half a yard. You hand it off and you give the defense time to react. Horrible call IMO.

[GBRulz]

It's not for PR. It's for a money league.


ohhh, gotcha. Good luck with your money league !

[gbgary]

i guess MM didn't learn anything from the forth and one at the goal line a few weeks ago. :roll:

[Rastak]

Why the hell do coaches leading the game risk turning the entire thing around by going for it midfield? That's just stupid if you ask me.

[pack4to84]

AJ Hawk with a sack

[Gunakor]

OH AJ HAWK WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ALL MY LIFE!!!

[gbgary]

a hawk sighting.

[jmbarnes101]

I'm tired of the conservative play-calling that has almost no chance to work. We're up by 6, that's not enough.

Beautiful sack by Hawk though.

[GBRulz]

Why the hell do coaches leading the game risk turning the entire thing around by going for it midfield? That's just stupid if you ask me.

I agree, Ras. It's almost chilly-like :P

[HarveyWallbangers]

I wish I had known Garcia would be out. Matt Bryant's 1 point is hurting me in a couple of leagues.

[Rastak]

Why the hell do coaches leading the game risk turning the entire thing around by going for it midfield? That's just stupid if you ask me.

I agree, Ras. It's almost chilly-like :P


I think he would have punted.

[GBRulz]

wow, I'm surprised Jax isn't taking the FG here. Then they would only be down 3

[pack4to84]

Jags going for it on 4th and 1

[Brando19]

Why the hell do coaches leading the game risk turning the entire thing around by going for it midfield? That's just stupid if you ask me.

I agree, Ras. It's almost chilly-like :P

He said a coach...not a moron! :P

[pack4to84]

wow, I'm surprised Jax isn't taking the FG here. Then they would only be down 3that is what I was thinking maybe thats why he called a time out

[Rastak]

Why the hell do coaches leading the game risk turning the entire thing around by going for it midfield? That's just stupid if you ask me.

I agree, Ras. It's almost chilly-like :P

He said a coach...not a moron! :P

That's first place moron to you buddy..... :wink:

[HarveyWallbangers]

So, we had them in 3rd and 18--and they got 17 yards. Nice defense.

[gbgary]

indy detroit........21-21 :shock:

[GBRulz]

Why the hell do coaches leading the game risk turning the entire thing around by going for it midfield? That's just stupid if you ask me.

I agree, Ras. It's almost chilly-like :P

He said a coach...not a moron! :P

Well, call him what you want...but that moron is probably going to be the NFCN Champ this year. At least that guarantees his job a couple more years, so that isn't exactly terrible...lol.

[Rastak]

indy detroit........21-21 :shock:


Holy shit.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Detroit just tied Indy in the 4th quarter. On the road.

[Gunakor]

Detroit just tied Indy in the 4th quarter. On the road.

The Colts not doing so well against the NFC North this year are they?

[Rastak]

Was that a 4 yard QB sneak?

[GBRulz]

oh man

[pack4to84]

D sucks

[Gunakor]

That's why I hate blitzing too much...

[HarveyWallbangers]

Anybody feel like the defense will hold Jax here?

[packers11]

yayyy 4th QUARTER CHOKE... here we come!!!

[imscott72]

Another 4th quarter meltdown is underway.. :roll:

[HarveyWallbangers]

Didn't see that coming.

[pack4to84]

That's why I hate blitzing too much...but this was the only way we where stopping them

[MJZiggy]

Anybody feel like the defense will hold Jax here?mmm no.

[red]

anyone still have any questions about what the problem is with this team?

jax has by far the worst o-line in the nfl, and we haven't gotten any pressure on them

[Fred's Slacks]

Gotta admit the Offense has been horseshit this half.

[Gunakor]

That's why I hate blitzing too much...but this was the only way we where stopping them

Jones-Drew was sitting wide open in the spot Hawk would have been if he weren't rushing the QB on that play.

[pack4to84]

yayyy 4th QUARTER CHOKE... here we come!!!maybe MM is trying to get Rodgers his first 4th quarter comeback

[Gunakor]

anyone still have any questions about what the problem is with this team?

jax has by far the worst o-line in the nfl, and we haven't gotten any pressure on them

2 sacks, and almost a 3rd when Kampy had him by the ankles when he got rid of it...

[Rastak]

Wow, Bills just scored on a maul. (no KY and Tar so it's a wasted reference)

[pack4to84]

MM play calling has been bad in the second half of this game

[imscott72]

Detroit just tied Indy in the 4th quarter. On the road.

The Colts not doing so well against the NFC North this year are they?

You know, we're a lot like the Lions. We both play well until the 4th quarter then the wheels fall off.

[MOBB DEEP]

Wow, Bills just scored on a maul. (no KY and Tar so it's a wasted reference)

packer thread

[GBRulz]

yayyy 4th QUARTER CHOKE... here we come!!!maybe MM is trying to get Rodgers his first 4th quarter comeback

Let's do it! Rodger's has had plenty of chances this year....he's due!! Let's go Pack !! :cow: :cow: :cow: :cow:

[pack4to84]

WR not getting open

[Fred's Slacks]

MM play calling has been bad in the second half of this game

I have to agree. We've had two drives fail where we've had 2nd and 1. We need to have plays to convert those situations on the ground.

[MJZiggy]

Detroit just tied Indy in the 4th quarter. On the road.

The Colts not doing so well against the NFC North this year are they?

You know, we're a lot like the Lions. We both play well until the 4th quarter then the wheels fall off. We just lack their consistency... :lol:

[Rastak]

Wow, Bills just scored on a maul. (no KY and Tar so it's a wasted reference)

packer thread


I can talk about the Jets, you can't. :wink:

[pack4to84]

Jones is having a big game

[GBRulz]

That's a cool story about Jones-Drew. I've always wondered why he had the hyphenated last name.

[imscott72]

Is this JJ's coming out game? He's having a monster day..

[Badgerinmaine]

sweet!

[TheCheese]

Perfect pass.

[red]

anyone still have any questions about what the problem is with this team?

jax has by far the worst o-line in the nfl, and we haven't gotten any pressure on them

2 sacks, and almost a 3rd when Kampy had him by the ankles when he got rid of it...

my dish went out so i didn't see the hawk sack. but woodson chasing the qb out of bounds isn't really pressuring the qb and making him make bad decisions

dg's had all day in the packet today. its pathetic

[HarveyWallbangers]

Let's do it! Rodger's has had plenty of chances this year....he's due!! Let's go Pack !!

He's brought the team back a few times this year only to see the defense give up the lead. Same thing will probably happen today, and then people will blame Rodgers for not winning the game.

[imscott72]

Come on Ryan..Jeez..

[pack4to84]

Grant dropped a TD pass

[GBRulz]

ugg, Grant dropped a huge pass there

[Gunakor]

anyone still have any questions about what the problem is with this team?

jax has by far the worst o-line in the nfl, and we haven't gotten any pressure on them

2 sacks, and almost a 3rd when Kampy had him by the ankles when he got rid of it...

my dish went out so i didn't see the hawk sack. but woodson chasing the qb out of bounds isn't really pressuring the qb and making him make bad decisions

Woodson almost had him for a 6 yard sack on the very next play

[Badgerinmaine]

He's brought the team back a few times this year only to see the defense give up the lead. Same thing will probably happen today, and then people will blame Rodgers for not winning the game.
Don't say that, please. I fear it's too close to the case.

[MJZiggy]

anyone still have any questions about what the problem is with this team?

jax has by far the worst o-line in the nfl, and we haven't gotten any pressure on them

2 sacks, and almost a 3rd when Kampy had him by the ankles when he got rid of it...

my dish went out so i didn't see the hawk sack. but woodson chasing the qb out of bounds isn't really pressuring the qb and making him make bad decisionsThey're starting to get some pressure.

[imscott72]

He's brought the team back a few times this year only to see the defense give up the lead. Same thing will probably happen today, and then people will blame Rodgers for not winning the game.

Partial time? :roll:

[digitaldean]

Nice scamper!!

[jmbarnes101]

The only thing within 10 yards of Grant was the ball stuck in his chest yet somehow we end up screwing that up too. I suppose it's Rodger's fault for throwing it right to him?

[GBRulz]

nice pick up of the first down but Jordy was wide open

[red]

anyone still have any questions about what the problem is with this team?

jax has by far the worst o-line in the nfl, and we haven't gotten any pressure on them

2 sacks, and almost a 3rd when Kampy had him by the ankles when he got rid of it...

my dish went out so i didn't see the hawk sack. but woodson chasing the qb out of bounds isn't really pressuring the qb and making him make bad decisions

Woodson almost had him for a 6 yard sack on the very next play

almost, and its woodson. woodson and harris are the only 2 wortha shit on this d right now. we should blitz him every play. at least he'll work his ass off every play

[pack4to84]

Rodgers didn't take a chance and throw it he just ran for it

[HarveyWallbangers]

How about this, we've run the ball 4 times today on 2nd and short. We haven't gained positive yardage on any of those runs. In fact, 4 carries for -10 yards on those plays.

[Badgerinmaine]

Gotta love A-Rod's mobility.

[Bretsky]

Looks like a 3rd round draft pick from the Jets

[Rastak]

Looks like a 3rd round draft pick from the Jets


Indeed.

[red]

an old saying i learned when i was 1 or 2 years old while watching packer games with my dad and grandfather

fart, fumble, and fuck up

[GBRulz]

ty Tony Moll

[imscott72]

That dude led with with his helmet..Big fine time..Shocked no flag there..

[gbgary]

shouldn't that have been a penalty for helmet to helmet?

[Rastak]

HAHAHAHA....maybe not.....


edit: that was to Bretsky.

[red]

Looks like a 3rd round draft pick from the Jets


Indeed.
d touchdown jets

[Bretsky]

Looks like a 3rd round draft pick from the Jets


OMG; wait til you see this one on replay

[MJZiggy]

Why was that not a helmet-to-helmet personal foul?

[Gunakor]

shouldn't that have been a penalty for helmet to helmet?

They ain't gonna call that when it's a DL hitting an OL. Those guys butt helmets all the time anyway.

[imscott72]

Well we got the lead. Another defensive collapse? Is this the offense's fault now that they got them the lead again? "just preparing for Partial's argument on how Arod lost the game for them."

[Rastak]

Why was that not a helmet-to-helmet personal foul?

Cause his name wasn't Jared Allen?

[HarveyWallbangers]

d touchdown jets

That sucks. I'm playing against the Jets defense in a money league, and I'm in a tight battle.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Again, Losman is horrible--although I didn't see this play yet.

[digitaldean]

Here we fucking go again.

[pack4to84]

D sucks again

[Rastak]

Again, Losman is horrible--although I didn't see this play yet.


Sack and fumble.....

[red]

d touchdown jets

That sucks. I'm playing against the Jets defense in a money league, and I'm in a tight battle.

oh, well in that case. it was a sack, fumble, and a return for a TD by shaun ellis

[Gunakor]

Well we got the lead. Another defensive collapse? Is this the offense's fault now that they got them the lead again? "just preparing for Partial's argument on how Arod lost the game for them."

Goddamnit Rodgers... Why do you let this happen every week? How about some inspiration for crying out loud!!

[Fred's Slacks]

There it is.

[GBRulz]

2nd round pick from the Jets > harvey's money league

[Brando19]

Why was that not a helmet-to-helmet personal foul?

Cause his name wasn't Jared Allen?

Allen would've already had 5 helmet to helmets and 3 cheap shots to the knee on Rodgers.

[Badgerinmaine]

uggggggggggggggggggggggggh

[gbgary]

shouldn't that have been a penalty for helmet to helmet?

They ain't gonna call that when it's a DL hitting an OL. Those guys butt helmets all the time anyway.

yes but they're only a foot apart at the time...not running up at full speed. :D

[red]

Here we fucking go again.

no shit. this is ridiculous

[Badgerinmaine]

56 yards in two plays for the Jags. This is pitiful.

[gbgary]

man........we need a turnover.

[HarveyWallbangers]

2nd round pick from the Jets > harvey's money league

Hell no!

[MJZiggy]

Well we got the lead. Another defensive collapse? Is this the offense's fault now that they got them the lead again? "just preparing for Partial's argument on how Arod lost the game for them."They left them a whole 5 minutes. Don't you know they're supposed to score only touchdowns, eat the clock and then get it back and score again when the D falters?

[digitaldean]

Aw hell, let 'em score. They'll get in any way. Come on D, leave some time for the O.

[Gunakor]

56 yards in two plays for the Jags. This is pitiful.

It's the 4th quarter. I'm not suprised at this in the least anymore.

[imscott72]

d touchdown jets

That sucks. I'm playing against the Jets defense in a money league, and I'm in a tight battle.

Jeff Tripplet got really fucked up. Shoved to the ground and bleeding like crazy from his nose. Crazy play..

[GBRulz]

2nd round pick from the Jets > harvey's money league

Hell no!

Come on!! Don't you want a WR in the 2nd round vs the 3rd? :lol:

[Rastak]

d touchdown jets

That sucks. I'm playing against the Jets defense in a money league, and I'm in a tight battle.

Jeff Tripplet got really fucked up. Shoved to the ground and bleeding like crazy from his nose. Crazy play..


Yea, giant dude with armor on shoves a ref to the ground. I'd suspend his ass.

[red]

god doesn't want us to win

and the jets just got an int

game over

[TheCheese]

Is this really happening again?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Come on!! Don't you want a WR in the 2nd round vs the 3rd? :lol:

I'd rather have a few hundred dollars.

[imscott72]

Well we got the lead. Another defensive collapse? Is this the offense's fault now that they got them the lead again? "just preparing for Partial's argument on how Arod lost the game for them."They left them a whole 5 minutes. Don't you know they're supposed to score only touchdowns, eat the clock and then get it back and score again when the D falters?

Did Partial steal your sign in ID? :lol:

[Gunakor]

Is this really happening again?

Don't pinch yourself, you're awake. Yes, this really is happening again.

[Badgerinmaine]

Aw hell, let 'em score. They'll get in any way. Come on D, leave some time for the O.
Coach Holmgren, don't you have a game to coach? 8-)

[Bretsky]

Jags are going to score too early; AROD will lead us back. They might be just as well off downing the ball and making GB use their last timeout. GB might want to let them score...fun fun fun

Have we pissed away 2 TO's this half due to time clock running out or just one ?

[RashanGary]

Haha. Can you believe this defense.

Wow. Just let them in so Rodgers has half of a chance.

[MJZiggy]

Well we got the lead. Another defensive collapse? Is this the offense's fault now that they got them the lead again? "just preparing for Partial's argument on how Arod lost the game for them."They left them a whole 5 minutes. Don't you know they're supposed to score only touchdowns, eat the clock and then get it back and score again when the D falters?

Did Partial steal your sign in ID? :lol:

Forgot something: :roll:

[Rastak]

Bucs just tied the Falcons.....

[GBRulz]

Vanilla Bob needs to start cleaning out his office.

[digitaldean]

McCarren hit the nail on the head before....

Sean Payton exposed something with our pass defense that everyone in the league is now utilizing. He can't even stop a horrible offense like Jax.

Vanilla man should be packing his bags now....

[imscott72]

d touchdown jets

That sucks. I'm playing against the Jets defense in a money league, and I'm in a tight battle.

Jeff Tripplet got really fucked up. Shoved to the ground and bleeding like crazy from his nose. Crazy play..


Yea, giant dude with armor on shoves a ref to the ground. I'd suspend his ass.

I don't think they can. It's similar to the Sapp/Clifton hit. He's part of the field. Is it cheap? Fuck yeah, but legal.

Defense collapse is complete. Incredible.

[Bretsky]

Vanilla Bob needs to start cleaning out his office.


I think Vanilla Man might be here to stay

[Badgerinmaine]

Have we pissed away 2 TO's this half due to time clock running out or just one ?
Packers have two timeouts left.

[RashanGary]

Please do not overturn this.

[Rastak]

d touchdown jets

That sucks. I'm playing against the Jets defense in a money league, and I'm in a tight battle.

Jeff Tripplet got really fucked up. Shoved to the ground and bleeding like crazy from his nose. Crazy play..


Yea, giant dude with armor on shoves a ref to the ground. I'd suspend his ass.

I don't think they can. It's similar to the Sapp/Clifton hit. He's part of the field. Is it cheap? Fuck yeah, but legal.

Defense collapse is complete. Incredible.

Well, if he ran into him I'd a agree, but he pushed his face into the ground....will be interesting to see what the league says.

[TheCheese]

Sucks I had to go against Peyton in my FF league when he played detroit.

[imscott72]

Jags are going to score too early; AROD will lead us back.

Just great. ARod haters will come out of the cracks again if he doesn't lead them to the win..AFter all the defense put them in position to win right? :roll:

[gbgary]

Vanilla Bob needs to start cleaning out his office.


the whole staff needs to go except edgar of course.

[packers11]

good bye Detroit... 0-14...

[GBRulz]

Vanilla Bob needs to start cleaning out his office.


I think Vanilla Man might be here to stay

Do you really think he won't get canned in the off-season?

[red]

OMG, we got a stop

[Brohm]

Vanilla Bob needs to start cleaning out his office.


I think Vanilla Man might be here to stay

Do you really think he won't get canned in the off-season?

I'm getting that termination sensation :twisted:

[HarveyWallbangers]

Losman is horrible. It's amazing the Bills even have a chance in this game.

[Brando19]

Vanilla Bob needs to start cleaning out his office.


I think Vanilla Man might be here to stay

Do you really think he won't get canned in the off-season?

I don't think he will. McCarthy has never said a bad thing about him. He takes up for him everytime.

[TheCheese]

COME ON RODGERS ! Show time !

[GBRulz]

good bye Detroit... 0-14...

I guess they are saving their first win for when they play GB :P

[Fred's Slacks]

Special Teams. Always good for a let down when we need a big play.

[Gunakor]

Vanilla Bob needs to start cleaning out his office.


I think Vanilla Man might be here to stay

Do you really think he won't get canned in the off-season?

I don't think he will. McCarthy has never said a bad thing about him. He takes up for him everytime.

As I'd expect him to right up until the point where he cans him. I don't think he'll be around next year.

[gbgary]

put a little air under that.

[GBRulz]

Vanilla Bob needs to start cleaning out his office.


I think Vanilla Man might be here to stay

Do you really think he won't get canned in the off-season?

I don't think he will. McCarthy has never said a bad thing about him. He takes up for him everytime.

Well, do you expect M3 to say otherwise?

[gbgary]

we need first downs.

[Badgerinmaine]

Clutch completion.

[Brando19]

Vanilla Bob needs to start cleaning out his office.


I think Vanilla Man might be here to stay

Do you really think he won't get canned in the off-season?

I don't think he will. McCarthy has never said a bad thing about him. He takes up for him everytime.

Well, do you expect M3 to say otherwise?

I wouldn't mind McCarthy calling him out...something like, "Bob needs to do a better job with the defense. They need to be able to finish a game strong."

[imscott72]

Jets with another turnover. Sorry Harv..

[GBRulz]

Vanilla Bob needs to start cleaning out his office.


I think Vanilla Man might be here to stay

Do you really think he won't get canned in the off-season?

I don't think he will. McCarthy has never said a bad thing about him. He takes up for him everytime.

Well, do you expect M3 to say otherwise?

I wouldn't mind McCarthy calling him out...something like, "Bob needs to do a better job with the defense. They need to be able to finish a game strong."

True. Or even at least say "we'll get Vanilla Bob fixed"

[imscott72]

And there's your dagger. 5-9... :cry:

[MOBB DEEP]

NICE PASS arod

[GBRulz]

WTF Rodgers? Another forced throw to lose a game. This sucks.

[Badgerinmaine]

Wow...how many close games can one team lose in one year?

[Brando19]

Ok Ok i'm not an Arod hater...but this is NOT our QB of the future. He sucks at finishing games. The guy is not a winner.

[Badgerinmaine]

I'm listening to the radio broadcast o the internet...is there a chance it will be overturned?

[cheesner]

True. Or even at least say "we'll get Vanilla Bob fixed"

Well, not allowing him to reproduce will protect future generations of Packer fans from some kind of DC legacy.

[imscott72]

Wow...how many close games can one team lose in one year?

0-6 this year to be exact..

[arcilite]

WTF Rodgers? Another forced throw to lose a game. This sucks.


you kinda have to force throws when there are 40 seconds left

[RashanGary]

Ouch. What a bad year.

[digitaldean]

Here comes the Partial complaint fest on how ARod blew the game again...

If you want to lay blame on anything for the offense, do it for Grant dropping the sure TD.

Vast majority goes to the D, they are beyond pitiful this second half of the season.

[Badgerinmaine]

Ok Ok i'm not an Arod hater...but this is NOT our QB of the future. He sucks at finishing games. The guy is not a winner.
Oh, please. He drove them a long way, and he's in his first year of starting. Cut him some slack.

[imscott72]

Ok Ok i'm not an Arod hater...but this is NOT our QB of the future. He sucks at finishing games. The guy is not a winner.

And here they come...haters..Keep in mind they once again for the 6th time this year had the 4th quarter lead..

[GBRulz]

WTF Rodgers? Another forced throw to lose a game. This sucks.


you kinda have to force throws when there are 40 seconds left

I hope you are not serious with that comment.

[Brohm]

Let the beheadings begin.

[Gunakor]

That one is on Rodgers. Bad throw. Wasn't a bad decision, as Lee was open and would have made the catch easily had the throw been on target. He wasn't forcing anything. But the throw was off target.

[arcilite]

WTF Rodgers? Another forced throw to lose a game. This sucks.


you kinda have to force throws when there are 40 seconds left

I hope you are not serious with that comment.

i am

[Partial]

Are we going to blame the defense again? This week they gave up a measley 20 points.

Our offense put up a pathetic 16 points, including 3 in the second half. A-Rod fumbled the ball on the 20 with a prime opportunity to score a TD to go ahead and win the game, and then also threw a pick to ice the game.

But I bet this one is on the defense again, right?

[gbgary]

Ok Ok i'm not an Arod hater...but this is NOT our QB of the future. He sucks at finishing games. The guy is not a winner.

i disagree. it's his first year.

[Brando19]

I'm not a hater. Green Bay drove a winner away for THE MAN..they knew he'd be as good as Brett...well he doesn't win games...he hasn't yet.

[arcilite]

Are we going to blame the defense again? This week they gave up a measley 20 points.

Our offense put up a pathetic 16 points, including 3 in the second half. A-Rod fumbled the ball on the 20 with a prime opportunity to score a TD to go ahead and win the game, and then also threw a pick to ice the game.

But I bet this one is on the defense again, right?

lol

[Badgerinmaine]

Does anyone else feel more numb than angry? I'm just shaking my head here.

[cheesner]

WTF Rodgers? Another forced throw to lose a game. This sucks.


you kinda have to force throws when there are 40 seconds left

I hope you are not serious with that comment.

i am

What is tough to understand. Just by the clock you are only getting at most 5 or 6 plays. You have to move the ball. You have to take some chances.

[GBRulz]

I'm out.....time to go shopping

[digitaldean]

Ok Ok i'm not an Arod hater...but this is NOT our QB of the future. He sucks at finishing games. The guy is not a winner.

OK, then what do you do? Draft a guy... go to FA to get someone?

He is having a very good season. Is he having an HOF type of year. NO. But for God's sake quit laying the blame for defensive meltdowns at this guy's feet. He didn't drop the sure TD catch, Grant did.

GIVE IT A REST WILL YA!

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Ok Ok i'm not an Arod hater...but this is NOT our QB of the future. He sucks at finishing games. The guy is not a winner.

Seriously? I hope atleast half of you are drunk when you post these asinine comments. He led the team back and gave them the lead with 5 minutes left, the DEFENSE has to learn to finish games. Rodgers has led this team back all year just to have the D or special teams shaft him. Not a winner? why dont you wait until he plays more than 30-40 games and then make your assesment.

[arcilite]

WTF Rodgers? Another forced throw to lose a game. This sucks.


you kinda have to force throws when there are 40 seconds left

I hope you are not serious with that comment.

i am

What is tough to understand. Just by the clock you are only getting at most 5 or 6 plays. You have to move the ball. You have to take some chances.

This.

[RashanGary]

Another tough loss. It's too bad. We go up in the 4th quarter and the defense caves again. Then we get the ball back and the ST's gives us awfull field position.


There is plenty of blame to go aroudn the entire team, but I plant most of it on the defense. That defense is just awfull.

[jmbarnes101]

Does anyone else feel more numb than angry? I'm just shaking my head here.

Yeah. I don't know that I even have any anger left. This is more than just frustrating and I can't find words for it.

[rdanomly]

Does anyone else feel more numb than angry? I'm just shaking my head here.

Pretty much. I just get the sense that lessons aren't being learned from. Too much (bad) deja vu from game to game...

[Gunakor]

Are we going to blame the defense again? This week they gave up a measley 20 points.

Our offense put up a pathetic 16 points, including 3 in the second half. A-Rod fumbled the ball on the 20 with a prime opportunity to score a TD to go ahead and win the game, and then also threw a pick to ice the game.

But I bet this one is on the defense again, right?

The defense had a descent day today. They had their faults, but no I wouldn't blame this one on them. But it doesn't change the fact that I blame them for most of the other ones, where they were responsible.

[GrnBay007]

I'm not a hater. Green Bay drove a winner away for THE MAN..they knew he'd be as good as Brett...well he doesn't win games...he hasn't yet.

:!:

Thanks TT

[imscott72]

Are we going to blame the defense again? This week they gave up a measley 20 points.

Our offense put up a pathetic 16 points, including 3 in the second half. A-Rod fumbled the ball on the 20 with a prime opportunity to score a TD to go ahead and win the game, and then also threw a pick to ice the game.

But I bet this one is on the defense again, right?

Like clockwork! Gotta love a defense that protects 4th quarter leads!! :roll:

[RashanGary]

He had to make something happen. Bad pass though. Probably should have waited till 20 seconds were left for that one.

[PackerTimer]

WTF Rodgers? Another forced throw to lose a game. This sucks.

As good an Rodgers has been this year, he needs to calm down in end of game situations. As much as the we can blame the defense for letting teams like Carolina and Jacksonville score at the end of the game, the ball was still in his hands at the end and both games ended with TO's. Favre did that plenty but he also won a ton of games in those situations. Rodger's needs to step up and win one of these games even after the defense has pissed it away.

[red]

Does anyone else feel more numb than angry? I'm just shaking my head here.

i was laughing during the jags last drive and our int

i'm waaaay past being upset or numb

[jmbarnes101]

Are we going to blame the defense again? This week they gave up a measley 20 points.

Our offense put up a pathetic 16 points, including 3 in the second half. A-Rod fumbled the ball on the 20 with a prime opportunity to score a TD to go ahead and win the game, and then also threw a pick to ice the game.

But I bet this one is on the defense again, right?

Like clockwork! Gotta love a defense that protects 4th quarter leads!! :roll:

and horrible conservative play-calling when your team is up 6.

[Brando19]

Ok Ok i'm not an Arod hater...but this is NOT our QB of the future. He sucks at finishing games. The guy is not a winner.

OK, then what do you do? Draft a guy... go to FA to get someone?

He is having a very good season. Is he having an HOF type of year. NO. But for God's sake quit laying the blame for defensive meltdowns at this guy's feet. He didn't drop the sure TD catch, Grant did.

GIVE IT A REST WILL YA!

Tell me the lottery numbers this week. It's obvious you can see what happens. Grant woulda caught that ball and had a first down...I don't think it would have been a TD. Rodgers hasn't proven anything. He starts off playing as good as anyone, but once his defense sucks and they start to crumble, so does Rodgers. He can't handle it.

[Bretsky]

Welcome to sub .500 ball; I hope we don't have to get used to it in the years ahead

Here's a Toast to Changes :!:

[imscott72]

Does anyone else feel more numb than angry? I'm just shaking my head here.

Sadly I don't really feel anything. The season was over weeks ago. Hell a loss to the Lions wouldn't surprise me anymore..

[dissident94]

The offense isn't doing anything to really help our pathetic D. But the last two games our offense is equally to blame. Just not scoring enough Tds to be competitive.

Three times now A-rod has thrown a pick a the end. It has to be concerning even to his supporters

[Partial]

Another tough loss. It's too bad. We go up in the 4th quarter and the defense caves again. Then we get the ball back and the ST's gives us awfull field position.


There is plenty of blame to go aroudn the entire team, but I plant most of it on the defense. That defense is just awfull.

Maybe Aaron should become more of a fucking leader instead of a little girl.

How can you blame the defense? They gave up 20 fucking points. The offense scored 16 fucking points. That is pathetic. This might be the worst offense in the NFL. They cannot score touchdowns.

Blaming the defense is moronic. How many points are we expected to hold the Jaguars to? Last week it was 21, now its 20.

NEWSFLASH: The NFLs all-time best defense in its entire rich history said they tried to hold a team to under 17 points.

Is that the standard we should have? Do we have the talent of the all-time greatest defense in NFL history?

Giving up 20 points is fine. With out offensive talent we should have put up 35-40 at least.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Brett's a winner. Just look how he led the Jets over the Bills today. He played lights out.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Welcome to sub .500 ball; I hope we don't have to get used to it in the years ahead

Here's a Toast to Changes :!:

You wanted them to lose, so you are probably pretty happy.
:D

[Partial]

Are we going to blame the defense again? This week they gave up a measley 20 points.

Our offense put up a pathetic 16 points, including 3 in the second half. A-Rod fumbled the ball on the 20 with a prime opportunity to score a TD to go ahead and win the game, and then also threw a pick to ice the game.

But I bet this one is on the defense again, right?

Like clockwork! Gotta love a defense that protects 4th quarter leads!! :roll:

Gotta love scoring enough points...

What about the offense in prime position to have two late touchdowns and ends up with 3 points instead of 14.. Gotta love a qb throwing a key pick and fumbling a key 2nd down play...

[Brando19]

Does anyone else feel more numb than angry? I'm just shaking my head here.

Sadly I don't really feel anything. The season was over weeks ago. Hell a loss to the Lions wouldn't surprise me anymore..

Better not cuz the Packers will lose to the fuckin lions.

[Bretsky]

Does anyone else feel more numb than angry? I'm just shaking my head here.

i was laughing during the jags last drive and our int

i'm waaaay past being upset or numb


You feel it coming

At this point, things that are key to me are

Jets making the playoffs so we get a 2nd round draft pick
Vanilla Bob going away and someone from outside being hired as DC
Ted realizing the DL is void of enough talent

[imscott72]

Ok Ok i'm not an Arod hater...but this is NOT our QB of the future. He sucks at finishing games. The guy is not a winner.

OK, then what do you do? Draft a guy... go to FA to get someone?

He is having a very good season. Is he having an HOF type of year. NO. But for God's sake quit laying the blame for defensive meltdowns at this guy's feet. He didn't drop the sure TD catch, Grant did.

GIVE IT A REST WILL YA!

Tell me the lottery numbers this week. It's obvious you can see what happens. Grant woulda caught that ball and had a first down...I don't think it would have been a TD. Rodgers hasn't proven anything. He starts off playing as good as anyone, but once his defense sucks and they start to crumble, so does Rodgers. He can't handle it.

TV guys said it would have been a walk in TD. How is this Arod's fault?

[RashanGary]

This might be a blessing in disguise. IF and this is a big IF we can somehow get a stud from the draft thanks to this tough season it will all be worth it. If we pick another AJ Hawk with a high pick it will all be wasted.

[GrnBay007]

Here's a Toast to Changes :!:

yeah, mega draft picks....it's worked so far. :roll:

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Partial, the worst offense in the league? really? That is just a bunch of word vomit. I've heard drunks in bars put up more compelling arguments than that. Scott is right, this season was over weeks ago, the defense quit around 13 minutes left in the first quarter of the Saints game.

[Gunakor]

I'm not a hater. Green Bay drove a winner away for THE MAN..they knew he'd be as good as Brett...well he doesn't win games...he hasn't yet.

:!:

Thanks TT

Thank him in a couple years when Brett is retired and Rodgers becomes our next Pro Bowl quarterback. Unless you think Rodgers can't or won't learn anything from this season and these close losses, you can't argue TT's decision. Rodgers is under contract for 6 seasons. Do you think he'll never progress from where he is right now? I'm sure he will, and am glad he's still here in Green Bay. I think TT made the right decision regardless what happens this year.

[arcilite]

I'm not sold on Ryan Grant.

He was horrible today.

21 rushes... 56 yards.

[Partial]

Brett's a winner. Just look how he led the Jets over the Bills today. He played lights out.

Hey, one of those picks was a dropped pass by Coles.. and his team actually wins games.

If we inverted our record, we would be as good as the Jets... except they're in the best division in football. Remember how Lurker and everyone after 2-3 weeks claimed Buffalo was one of the best teams in football?

Well, there are 4 very good teams in the AFC east. We're 5-9 in the worst conference in the NFL.

[Badgerinmaine]

TV guys said it would have been a walk in TD. How is this Arod's fault?

Wayne Larrivee said the same thing.

[arcilite]

Brett's a winner. Just look how he led the Jets over the Bills today. He played lights out.

Hey, one of those picks was a dropped pass by Coles.. and his team actually wins games.

If we inverted our record, we would be as good as the Jets... except they're in the best division in football. Remember how Lurker and everyone after 2-3 weeks claimed Buffalo was one of the best teams in football?

Well, there are 4 very good teams in the AFC east. We're 5-9 in the worst conference in the NFL.

AFC east the best division?

I think the NFC south and NFC east would like to have a word with you.

Also all AFC east teams play the easiest 2 conferences of the league.

[Brando19]

Ok Ok i'm not an Arod hater...but this is NOT our QB of the future. He sucks at finishing games. The guy is not a winner.

OK, then what do you do? Draft a guy... go to FA to get someone?

He is having a very good season. Is he having an HOF type of year. NO. But for God's sake quit laying the blame for defensive meltdowns at this guy's feet. He didn't drop the sure TD catch, Grant did.

GIVE IT A REST WILL YA!

Tell me the lottery numbers this week. It's obvious you can see what happens. Grant woulda caught that ball and had a first down...I don't think it would have been a TD. Rodgers hasn't proven anything. He starts off playing as good as anyone, but once his defense sucks and they start to crumble, so does Rodgers. He can't handle it.

TV guys said it would have been a walk in TD. How is this Arod's fault?

TV guys are always right. It was on the 20 yard line. If Troy Aikman said he'd sell you beach front property in Arizona...would you write down the number? It's not Rodgers fault that we lost...it's Rodgers' fault we didn't win. He makes the big bucks because he wins games...now he just needs to win a game.

[Partial]

Partial, the worst offense in the league? really? That is just a bunch of word vomit. I've heard drunks in bars put up more compelling arguments than that. Scott is right, this season was over weeks ago, the defense quit around 13 minutes left in the first quarter of the Saints game.

Dude, we average < 20 points a game now offensively. That is terrible. We had 1 touchdown today. 1. 1. One touchdown. Against one of the worst defenses in the league in rebuilding mode.

Are you kidding me?!? Our offense is abysmal. The scary thing is we have the deepest receiving corps with a top 5 one-two combo there, a decent RB that is healthy, and a pretty solid OL.

You tell me.

[RashanGary]

You feel it coming

At this point, things that are key to me are

Jets making the playoffs so we get a 2nd round draft pick
Vanilla Bob going away and someone from outside being hired as DC
Ted realizing the DL is void of enough talent


This is where I'm at too. This is a tough season.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Favre was awful, and did nothing to lead his team to victory. You go on believing that he willed his team to a win.

[Badgerinmaine]

We're 5-9 in the worst conference in the NFL.
2nd out of 2?

:?:

[imscott72]

Another tough loss. It's too bad. We go up in the 4th quarter and the defense caves again. Then we get the ball back and the ST's gives us awfull field position.


There is plenty of blame to go aroudn the entire team, but I plant most of it on the defense. That defense is just awfull.

Maybe Aaron should become more of a fucking leader instead of a little girl.

How can you blame the defense? They gave up 20 fucking points. The offense scored 16 fucking points. That is pathetic. This might be the worst offense in the NFL. They cannot score touchdowns.

Blaming the defense is moronic. How many points are we expected to hold the Jaguars to? Last week it was 21, now its 20.

NEWSFLASH: The NFLs all-time best defense in its entire rich history said they tried to hold a team to under 17 points.

Is that the standard we should have? Do we have the talent of the all-time greatest defense in NFL history?

Giving up 20 points is fine. With out offensive talent we should have put up 35-40 at least.

Give me a f'ing break Partial. They gave up 20 pts to the 24th ranked offense inlcluding yet ANOTHER game winning drive. I repeat...We had the 4th quarter lead and would have had a 7 pt lead had Grant not dropped a TD pass..Wake up man..

[arcilite]

Partial, the worst offense in the league? really? That is just a bunch of word vomit. I've heard drunks in bars put up more compelling arguments than that. Scott is right, this season was over weeks ago, the defense quit around 13 minutes left in the first quarter of the Saints game.

Dude, we average < 20 points a game now offensively. That is terrible. We had 1 touchdown today. 1. 1. One touchdown. Against one of the worst defenses in the league in rebuilding mode.

Are you kidding me?!? Our offense is abysmal. The scary thing is we have the deepest receiving corps with a top 5 one-two combo there, a decent RB that is healthy, and a pretty solid OL.

You tell me.

Yeah that solid OL and good RB sure helped Rodgers today by running for 56 yards on 21 carries against that horrible defense!

[Partial]

Brett's a winner. Just look how he led the Jets over the Bills today. He played lights out.

Hey, one of those picks was a dropped pass by Coles.. and his team actually wins games.

If we inverted our record, we would be as good as the Jets... except they're in the best division in football. Remember how Lurker and everyone after 2-3 weeks claimed Buffalo was one of the best teams in football?

Well, there are 4 very good teams in the AFC east. We're 5-9 in the worst conference in the NFL.

AFC east the best division?

I think the NFC south and NFC east would like to have a word with you.

Also all AFC east teams play the easiest 2 conferences of the league.

The perfect Patriots from last year are still stacked and very talented. Parcells, the mastermind who built the NFC East into what it is today is now controlling the Dolphins and has quickly built them into a contender (if they had a decent QB they'd be a sure fire playoff team), and of course the Bills were everyones early season favorites.

The division is very solid top to bottom. The NFC East is in my sincere opinion the best division, but the AFC East matches up quite well with them.

[red]

Partial, the worst offense in the league? really? That is just a bunch of word vomit. I've heard drunks in bars put up more compelling arguments than that. Scott is right, this season was over weeks ago, the defense quit around 13 minutes left in the first quarter of the Saints game.

Dude, we average < 20 points a game now offensively. That is terrible. We had 1 touchdown today. 1. 1. One touchdown. Against one of the worst defenses in the league in rebuilding mode.

Are you kidding me?!? Our offense is abysmal. The scary thing is we have the deepest receiving corps with a top 5 one-two combo there, a decent RB that is healthy, and a pretty solid OL.

You tell me.



Yeah that solid OL and good RB sure helped Rodgers today by running for 56 yards on 21 carries against that horrible defense!

and our midget o-line couldn't get us a couple of inches when we needed it

[HarveyWallbangers]

Dude, we average < 20 points a game now offensively.

Ummm... wrong again. I'm tired of correcting you on this. Before today, we averaged 22.5 points/game on offense--which was easily in the top 1/2 of the league.

[imscott72]

Are we going to blame the defense again? This week they gave up a measley 20 points.

Our offense put up a pathetic 16 points, including 3 in the second half. A-Rod fumbled the ball on the 20 with a prime opportunity to score a TD to go ahead and win the game, and then also threw a pick to ice the game.

But I bet this one is on the defense again, right?

Like clockwork! Gotta love a defense that protects 4th quarter leads!! :roll:

Gotta love scoring enough points...

What about the offense in prime position to have two late touchdowns and ends up with 3 points instead of 14.. Gotta love a qb throwing a key pick and fumbling a key 2nd down play...

Gotta love a RB that can't catch the ball. This proves your hate for Arod that you just refuse to blame anyone else for the losses. Grant drops a TD pass that would have given them 7 pt lead and it's all ARod's fault again. I just don't know how you rationalize that.

[arcilite]

Is it just me or does Brandon Jackson just seem to have a burst that Ryan Grant doesnt?

I want more Jackson

[TennesseePackerBacker]

I just don't understand all the Favre love. I wonder if 49'ers fans were like this when they dumped Montana for Young. I don't think Young was any more of a proven commodity than Arod is when the Packers made their decision. Hopefully it works out favorably for the Pack, but I just don't understand how people can't see that Favre is on his way out. The Packers made a smart long term move, and unless Brett Favre can kick field goals, play defensive line, and provide depth in several lacking positions, then we don't need him.

Suck it up whiners.

[digitaldean]

Dude, we average < 20 points a game now offensively.

Ummm... wrong again. I'm tired of correcting you on this. Before today, we averaged 22.5 points/game on offense--which was easily in the top 1/2 of the league.

There you go again, Harv, blurring the fantasy with facts!

[Brando19]

I just don't understand all the Favre love. I wonder if 49'ers fans were like this when they dumped Montana for Young. I don't think Young was any more of a proven commodity than Arod is when the Packers made their decision. Hopefully it works out favorably for the Pack, but I just don't understand how people can't see that Favre is on his way out. The Packers made a smart long term move, and unless Brett Favre can kick field goals, play defensive line, and provide depth in several lacking positions, then we don't need him.

Suck it up whiners.

Get ready for some losing seasons.

[arcilite]

I just don't understand all the Favre love. I wonder if 49'ers fans were like this when they dumped Montana for Young. I don't think Young was any more of a proven commodity than Arod is when the Packers made their decision. Hopefully it works out favorably for the Pack, but I just don't understand how people can't see that Favre is on his way out. The Packers made a smart long term move, and unless Brett Favre can kick field goals, play defensive line, and provide depth in several lacking positions, then we don't need him.

Suck it up whiners.

But he inspired our defense!

[Cheesehead Craig]

The last part of the 4th Q was the perfect microcosm of this season:

Defense couldn't stop a team when it mattered
Special Teams couldn't make a play
Offense didn't do enough to win
Offensive playcalling was poor

Whole lotta blame to go around for this game and this season.

[digitaldean]

Is it just me or does Brandon Jackson just seem to have a burst that Ryan Grant doesnt?

I want more Jackson

I second that one. Brandon Jackson should be utilized more than the token screen play that everyone and their uncle can figure out.

[Gunakor]

Are we going to blame the defense again? This week they gave up a measley 20 points.

Our offense put up a pathetic 16 points, including 3 in the second half. A-Rod fumbled the ball on the 20 with a prime opportunity to score a TD to go ahead and win the game, and then also threw a pick to ice the game.

But I bet this one is on the defense again, right?

Like clockwork! Gotta love a defense that protects 4th quarter leads!! :roll:

Gotta love scoring enough points...

What about the offense in prime position to have two late touchdowns and ends up with 3 points instead of 14.. Gotta love a qb throwing a key pick and fumbling a key 2nd down play...

Gotta love a RB that can't catch the ball. This proves your hate for Arod that you just refuse to blame anyone else for the losses. Grant drops a TD pass that would have given them 7 pt lead and it's all ARod's fault again. I just don't know how you rationalize that.

He threw an INT in the final drive of the game. Good QB's like Favre would never throw an INT during the final drive of the game. I mean Favre would never, ever, not in a million years would he...

[imscott72]

Brett's a winner. Just look how he led the Jets over the Bills today. He played lights out.

Hey, one of those picks was a dropped pass by Coles..

So when we're talking about Favre it's ok to blame other teammates for mistakes, but when talking about Arod it's not? WTF?

[gbgary]

we needed to work the ball down the field and MM called a deep pass with guys back there to defense it. i don't blame AR...i blame MM and continue to call for his head.

[Partial]

Favre was awful, and did nothing to lead his team to victory. You go on believing that he willed his team to a win.

I'm not believing that? Who brought up Favre? You. Get that shit out of here. He's gone and its over.

Our team sucks. Aaron Rodgers is a journeyman quarterback. It's week 14. The "he's a first year starter" excuse doesn't hold water. He is now an experienced vet finishing up his 4th year in the league. No more excuses.

We scored 16 points today and had one touchdown. We held the other team to 20 points. How many points are we expected to hold the other team to? I'm getting damn sick of the offense getting a free ride, despite underachiving with so much more talent, than the D, which has been a pleasant surprise and has done well bending-but-not-breaking against opposing offenses.

[RashanGary]

Is it just me or does Brandon Jackson just seem to have a burst that Ryan Grant doesnt?

I want more Jackson

I agree. Grant is faster but Jackson is more powerfull. Jackson is the same weight as Grant but about 3 inches shorter. He's packed tighter, handles getting hit better and being shorter he has better balance so he can bounce off taclkers and make things happen when there is nothing there.

[PackerTimer]

Another tough loss. It's too bad. We go up in the 4th quarter and the defense caves again. Then we get the ball back and the ST's gives us awfull field position.


There is plenty of blame to go aroudn the entire team, but I plant most of it on the defense. That defense is just awfull.

Maybe Aaron should become more of a fucking leader instead of a little girl.

How can you blame the defense? They gave up 20 fucking points. The offense scored 16 fucking points. That is pathetic. This might be the worst offense in the NFL. They cannot score touchdowns.

Blaming the defense is moronic. How many points are we expected to hold the Jaguars to? Last week it was 21, now its 20.

NEWSFLASH: The NFLs all-time best defense in its entire rich history said they tried to hold a team to under 17 points.

Is that the standard we should have? Do we have the talent of the all-time greatest defense in NFL history?

Giving up 20 points is fine. With out offensive talent we should have put up 35-40 at least.

Sometimes you don't get it. There's plenty of blame to go around but these posts about Rodgers not being a winner (I know that wasn't you) or about him not being the answer are kind of foolish. Some people want to lay the blame on the defense others all on the offense and those people put all that blame on Rodgers. Rodger has played better that anyone could have really hoped, not our future QB, what a load of crap. He's is our future at the position and he's going to be fine, better than fine. Probably excellent.

It's not about point totals all the time. Why can't the defense get a stop when the game is on the line. This is the fourth or fith time this year where the offense (our pathetic QB and our pathetic offense) have gotten us a late game lead and the defense cannot get a stop. I'm fully cognizant of Rodgers and the offense failing to answer in a few of those games as well. But to sit here and say the defense only gave up 20 points, how can you blame them is so shortsighted. It's easy they fucking suck. They are 90% of the reason for our now 5-9 record. If it you can't see that, that's your problem. The offense isn't stellar but they've done enough to win games in almost all of our losses. The offense has not been that much (if at all) worse than what it was last year, we've beaten that point to death so don't bring up the defensive touchdowns again please. The defense on the other hand, has been much worse.

[Gunakor]

I just don't understand all the Favre love. I wonder if 49'ers fans were like this when they dumped Montana for Young. I don't think Young was any more of a proven commodity than Arod is when the Packers made their decision. Hopefully it works out favorably for the Pack, but I just don't understand how people can't see that Favre is on his way out. The Packers made a smart long term move, and unless Brett Favre can kick field goals, play defensive line, and provide depth in several lacking positions, then we don't need him.

Suck it up whiners.

Get ready for some losing seasons.

Why, because this year was a losing season? Do you honestly think every year is going to look like this year?

[imscott72]

Ok Ok i'm not an Arod hater...but this is NOT our QB of the future. He sucks at finishing games. The guy is not a winner.

OK, then what do you do? Draft a guy... go to FA to get someone?

He is having a very good season. Is he having an HOF type of year. NO. But for God's sake quit laying the blame for defensive meltdowns at this guy's feet. He didn't drop the sure TD catch, Grant did.

GIVE IT A REST WILL YA!

Tell me the lottery numbers this week. It's obvious you can see what happens. Grant woulda caught that ball and had a first down...I don't think it would have been a TD. Rodgers hasn't proven anything. He starts off playing as good as anyone, but once his defense sucks and they start to crumble, so does Rodgers. He can't handle it.

TV guys said it would have been a walk in TD. How is this Arod's fault?

TV guys are always right. It was on the 20 yard line. If Troy Aikman said he'd sell you beach front property in Arizona...would you write down the number? It's not Rodgers fault that we lost...it's Rodgers' fault we didn't win. He makes the big bucks because he wins games...now he just needs to win a game.

I wasn't at the game, so I rely on the TV and radio guys to tell me what I can't see. Both radio and TV said it would have been a TD.

[Cheesehead Craig]

we needed to work the ball down the field and MM called a deep pass with guys back there to defense it. i don't blame AR...i blame MM and continue to call for his head.
No shit. 4 guys go deep when we have a TO and over 40 seconds left. Keep going with the 10-15 yd underneath stuff. Plenty of time.

[Partial]

Partial, the worst offense in the league? really? That is just a bunch of word vomit. I've heard drunks in bars put up more compelling arguments than that. Scott is right, this season was over weeks ago, the defense quit around 13 minutes left in the first quarter of the Saints game.

Dude, we average < 20 points a game now offensively. That is terrible. We had 1 touchdown today. 1. 1. One touchdown. Against one of the worst defenses in the league in rebuilding mode.

Are you kidding me?!? Our offense is abysmal. The scary thing is we have the deepest receiving corps with a top 5 one-two combo there, a decent RB that is healthy, and a pretty solid OL.

You tell me.

Yeah that solid OL and good RB sure helped Rodgers today by running for 56 yards on 21 carries against that horrible defense!

Well, when your quarterback can't get the ball to either of their two all-pro receivers.. the other team can keep 8-9 in the box and shut down the run.

[MJZiggy]

Ok Ok i'm not an Arod hater...but this is NOT our QB of the future. He sucks at finishing games. The guy is not a winner.

OK, then what do you do? Draft a guy... go to FA to get someone?

He is having a very good season. Is he having an HOF type of year. NO. But for God's sake quit laying the blame for defensive meltdowns at this guy's feet. He didn't drop the sure TD catch, Grant did.

GIVE IT A REST WILL YA!

Tell me the lottery numbers this week. It's obvious you can see what happens. Grant woulda caught that ball and had a first down...I don't think it would have been a TD. Rodgers hasn't proven anything. He starts off playing as good as anyone, but once his defense sucks and they start to crumble, so does Rodgers. He can't handle it.

TV guys said it would have been a walk in TD. How is this Arod's fault?

TV guys are always right. It was on the 20 yard line. If Troy Aikman said he'd sell you beach front property in Arizona...would you write down the number? It's not Rodgers fault that we lost...it's Rodgers' fault we didn't win. He makes the big bucks because he wins games...now he just needs to win a game.

It was the 20 yard line and noone in the neighborhood. He catches it it's a different ballgame.

Special to P: YOU DON'T GIVE UP A 40-YARD COMPLETION AND A TOUCHDOWN WITH LESS THAN 2 MINUTES IN THE GAME AND EXPECT THE OFFENSE TO PICK UP AFTER YOU!!! We were ahead. That's called a lead. The DEFENSE's job is to defend it. How many 4th quarter leads has the D blown this season?

[arcilite]

Is it just me or does Brandon Jackson just seem to have a burst that Ryan Grant doesnt?

I want more Jackson

I agree. Grant is faster but Jackson is more powerfull. Jackson is the same weight as Grant but about 3 inches shorter. He's packed tighter, handles getting hit better and being shorter he has better balance so he can bounce off taclkers and make things happen when there is nothing there.

Yeah plays where it seems if Grant were running he would go two yards and fall down...; Jackson might get 7-8 yards out of it. And then back goes in Grant to do his usual get two yards and fall down business.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Our team sucks. Aaron Rodgers is a journeyman quarterback.

Hey, this is when you bring up the "fact" that our offense averages under 20 points/game again.

[Bretsky]

Welcome to sub .500 ball; I hope we don't have to get used to it in the years ahead

Here's a Toast to Changes :!:

You wanted them to lose, so you are probably pretty happy.
:D


Want is a strong word; losses don't hurt anymore with this team. I stated early on I wanted them to win 48-47 and I stick by that

Curious; did you watch the first half of the Jets game ? Because if you put both half's together I would disagree that Favre was horrible.

[imscott72]

Dude, we average < 20 points a game now offensively.

Ummm... wrong again. I'm tired of correcting you on this. Before today, we averaged 22.5 points/game on offense--which was easily in the top 1/2 of the league.

27.3 pts/game going into today's game which is 4th in the NFL. Defense easily in the bottom half.

[Gunakor]

Ok Ok i'm not an Arod hater...but this is NOT our QB of the future. He sucks at finishing games. The guy is not a winner.

OK, then what do you do? Draft a guy... go to FA to get someone?

He is having a very good season. Is he having an HOF type of year. NO. But for God's sake quit laying the blame for defensive meltdowns at this guy's feet. He didn't drop the sure TD catch, Grant did.

GIVE IT A REST WILL YA!

Tell me the lottery numbers this week. It's obvious you can see what happens. Grant woulda caught that ball and had a first down...I don't think it would have been a TD. Rodgers hasn't proven anything. He starts off playing as good as anyone, but once his defense sucks and they start to crumble, so does Rodgers. He can't handle it.

TV guys said it would have been a walk in TD. How is this Arod's fault?

TV guys are always right. It was on the 20 yard line. If Troy Aikman said he'd sell you beach front property in Arizona...would you write down the number? It's not Rodgers fault that we lost...it's Rodgers' fault we didn't win. He makes the big bucks because he wins games...now he just needs to win a game.

It was the 20 yard line and noone in the neighborhood. He catches it it's a different ballgame.

Special to P: YOU DON'T GIVE UP A 40-YARD COMPLETION AND A TOUCHDOWN WITH LESS THAN 2 MINUTES IN THE GAME AND EXPECT THE OFFENSE TO PICK UP AFTER YOU!!! We were ahead. That's called a lead. The DEFENSE's job is to defend it. How many 4th quarter leads has the D blown this season?

According to P, the game started AFTER the Jags scored that TD. To him, it's called a deficit, and our offense's job is to get it back. How many 4th quarter comebacks has our QB successfully led this year?

That's how he sees it.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Agreed about the more Jackson thing, I also wouldn't mind seeing the Packers spend that 2nd on a RB, Slaton was a 3rd this year. One thing that doesn't get measured at the combine is heart. I watched Slaton carry two Titans on atleast 2 seperate occasions an extra 3 or 4 yards for a first down.

I'm not addressing anymore of the idiocy being spewed from angry fans. If you can't look at something objectively and recognize the problem you end up making passionate arguments which hold little truth.

[Partial]

Ok Ok i'm not an Arod hater...but this is NOT our QB of the future. He sucks at finishing games. The guy is not a winner.

OK, then what do you do? Draft a guy... go to FA to get someone?

He is having a very good season. Is he having an HOF type of year. NO. But for God's sake quit laying the blame for defensive meltdowns at this guy's feet. He didn't drop the sure TD catch, Grant did.

GIVE IT A REST WILL YA!

Tell me the lottery numbers this week. It's obvious you can see what happens. Grant woulda caught that ball and had a first down...I don't think it would have been a TD. Rodgers hasn't proven anything. He starts off playing as good as anyone, but once his defense sucks and they start to crumble, so does Rodgers. He can't handle it.

TV guys said it would have been a walk in TD. How is this Arod's fault?

TV guys are always right. It was on the 20 yard line. If Troy Aikman said he'd sell you beach front property in Arizona...would you write down the number? It's not Rodgers fault that we lost...it's Rodgers' fault we didn't win. He makes the big bucks because he wins games...now he just needs to win a game.

It was the 20 yard line and noone in the neighborhood. He catches it it's a different ballgame.

Special to P: YOU DON'T GIVE UP A 40-YARD COMPLETION AND A TOUCHDOWN WITH LESS THAN 2 MINUTES IN THE GAME AND EXPECT THE OFFENSE TO PICK UP AFTER YOU!!! We were ahead. That's called a lead. The DEFENSE's job is to defend it. How many 4th quarter leads has the D blown this season?

Zig... you're not thinking about this intelligently... It's law of averages.

Also, how many times can you hold a defense? I asked last week, what is a reasonable amount of points to hold the opposing team to? 20 points is below the average in the NFL, so our team did the job.

You can only hold an offense in tact so many times. Had we scored a touchdown, the entire makeup of the game changes. Instead, Aaron fumbled the ball and damn near the cost the team the game right there. Luckily, Donald Lee made a spectacular play and we ended up still getting those points on the board.

[PackerTimer]

Dude, we average < 20 points a game now offensively.

Ummm... wrong again. I'm tired of correcting you on this. Before today, we averaged 22.5 points/game on offense--which was easily in the top 1/2 of the league.

27.3 pts/game going into today's game which is 4th in the NFL. Defense easily in the bottom half.

Partial doesn't count in defensive touchdowns. Becuase you know the offense wouldn't have scored on any of those possessions. I don't know how he knows this but he does. He only cares about what the offense does. Which is fine but he also then ignores that our offense scored a whole point or two more last year than our offense is this year after you take away defense and special teams scores.

[RashanGary]

We're missing three of last years top 6 defensive lineman.

Corey Williams
Cullen Jenkins
KGB


Alone none of them are superstars but they all have redeeming qualities that helped us stop the opposition. KGB was dynamite before his injury last year with 10 sacks in 9 games. Corey Williams had 8 sacks in the first 10 games. He, KGB and Kampman combined to make 3rd and long a nightmare for the opposition. Now we have Kampman and that is it. He gets doubled. The rest get stopped and 3rd and long feels more like 3rd and 1.

Now we just get beat up, warn down, ran over, passed on and generally embarassed. If you don't have a couple superstars on your defensive line you better have good detph. We had really good epth last year and the defenseheld up at the end, when it mattered most. This year they cave every time. It's tough. It's going ot be a good year for free agency. We have a lot of high draft picks in a draft that should be extra deep with junior talent. The problems are fixable, but we have to watch the same script every week this year.

[Partial]

Our team sucks. Aaron Rodgers is a journeyman quarterback.

Hey, this is when you bring up the "fact" that our offense averages under 20 points/game again.

What do you mean "fact". It is a completely indisputable fact.

Last week it was 20.1. Now its dipped under 20. Our offense has performed worse and worse as game footage has become available on our newly veteran quarterback.

[gbgary]

Is it just me or does Brandon Jackson just seem to have a burst that Ryan Grant doesnt?

I want more Jackson

I agree. Grant is faster but Jackson is more powerfull. Jackson is the same weight as Grant but about 3 inches shorter. He's packed tighter, handles getting hit better and being shorter he has better balance so he can bounce off taclkers and make things happen when there is nothing there.

Yeah plays where it seems if Grant were running he would go two yards and fall down...; Jackson might get 7-8 yards out of it. And then back goes in Grant to do his usual get two yards and fall down business.

i think it's the zone-blocking thing. when we run a conventional quick-hitting, straight-ahead type play, Grant is much better and gains yards more consistantly.

[Gunakor]

Our team sucks. Aaron Rodgers is a journeyman quarterback.

Hey, this is when you bring up the "fact" that our offense averages under 20 points/game again.

What do you mean "fact". It is a completely indisputable fact.

Last week it was 20.1. Now its dipped under 20. Our offense has performed worse and worse as game footage has become available on our newly veteran quarterback.

One more time Harvey, what was the ACTUAL offensive PPG at before the game this week? 22.something, right? That's more than 20.1.

For shits and giggles, how does that 22.something compare to the offensive production at this point last year - minus defensive and ST's scores?