(Senator?) Caroline Kennedy

[texaspackerbacker]

I'd really be interested in hearing what our forum leftists--who spewed so much hate and disrespect for Sarah Palin--think of Caroline. She has no experience and no resume of qualifications whatsoever--except, of course, that she is a radical leftist and Obama supporter.

Let's see if the hypocrisy and left wing extremism of Ziggy and her cohorts gets put on display, or if she/they piss all over Caroline like they did Sarah.

[LL2]

I'd really be interested in hearing what our forum leftists--who spewed so much hate and disrespect for Sarah Palin--think of Caroline. She has no experience and no resume of qualifications whatsoever--except, of course, that she is a radical leftist and Obama supporter.

Let's see if the hypocrisy and left wing extremism of Ziggy and her cohorts gets put on display, or if she/they piss all over Caroline like they did Sarah.

Dream on!

She's a Kennedy and that is all the qualification she needs. :roll:

[texaspackerbacker]

Actually, I'd rather see them expose themselves for what they really are by finding a way to support her.

What we probably will get is a lot of silence, as that bunch is notorious for their lack of balls when it comes to defending the sick crap and crap artists they support.

[sheepshead]

http://new.wavlist.com/soundfx/014/cricket-1.wav

[arcilite]

I think she needs to fuck off.

She is not right for the position at all and is just in the spotlight because of the 'kennedy' name.

[MJZiggy]

Actually, I have exactly and precisely the same thought as when Sarah Palin was announced. I don't have enough information to make a decision.

My feelings for Sarah grew over time....

Don't give me that Kennedy BS either. I'm no big fan of Ted. Then again senator is not quite the same as VP behind a president that is 72 and has had multiple cancers either.

[hurleyfan]

I think she needs to fuck off.

She is not right for the position at all and is just in the spotlight because of the 'kennedy' name.

Couldn't agree more!

Just what New York needs, another "Senator" that didn't earn her stripes, and probably doesn't give a damn about the people she is supposed to represent..

Hillary - 18 months away from the office, still getting her paycheck while on the campaign trail...

[Joemailman]

I basically stayed out of the Palin debate, and don't have particularly strong feelings about this pick. I do agree with Ziggy that the required qualifications for VP are greater than for someone who will be 1% of the Senate. I don't necessarily agree that a life long politician is more qualified than someone from the private sector. Her qualifications for Senator are probably as great as Schwarzenegger's were for Governor.

[sheepshead]

Actually, I have exactly and precisely the same thought as when Sarah Palin was announced. I don't have enough information to make a decision.

My feelings for Sarah grew over time....

Don't give me that Kennedy BS either. I'm no big fan of Ted. Then again senator is not quite the same as VP behind a president that is 72 and has had multiple cancers either.

Zig-SHE'S NEVER HAD JOB! EVER!

[packinpatland]

Then it's high time she got one.

[MadScientist]

Actually, I have exactly and precisely the same thought as when Sarah Palin was announced. I don't have enough information to make a decision.

My feelings for Sarah grew over time....

Don't give me that Kennedy BS either. I'm no big fan of Ted. Then again senator is not quite the same as VP behind a president that is 72 and has had multiple cancers either.

Zig-SHE'S NEVER HAD JOB! EVER!
Here's a more accurate bio than sheepdip spin:
http://www.biography.com/search/article.do?id=204598

Her qualifications are not outstanding, but they are not non-existant for a senator. She also has a lot of characteristics that are useful for a senator - name recognition, political contacts, fundraising experience, and a personal fortune.

However, I'm not particularly in favor of her getting appointed, as I don't like dynasty political families (Kennedy, Clinton, and worst of all Bush).

[texaspackerbacker]

Actually, I have exactly and precisely the same thought as when Sarah Palin was announced. I don't have enough information to make a decision.

My feelings for Sarah grew over time....

Don't give me that Kennedy BS either. I'm no big fan of Ted. Then again senator is not quite the same as VP behind a president that is 72 and has had multiple cancers either.

This response wouldn't be quite so lame if you hadn't whined and spewed as much hate at the prospect of Palin taking Stevens's place in the Senate as you did about her as VP.

Why exactly are we to believe you aren't just some flaming left wing apologist who hates anything pro-American and conservative?

[Kiwon]

Then it's high time she got one.

Then it's high time she got one given to her?

[TravisWilliams23]

Her qualifications for Senator are probably as great as Schwarzenegger's were for Governor.

And we can see what a great job Arnold has done as governor.

Give me someone to vote for who actually "knows" what it's like to balance
a budget, live pay check to pay check, had a "real" job, understands what
the average American Joe goes through on a daily basis.

Most of these clowns don't have a clue. Arnold was a body builder-actor.
What great qualifications for a governor. But yet, California VOTED HIM IN!
They're getting what they deserve.

I see the same with Kennedy. It's name recognition ONLY. I've had enough
of the "ruling class" in politics. Term limits would be a good start but I don't
ever see that happening in my lifetime.

[MJZiggy]

Actually, I have exactly and precisely the same thought as when Sarah Palin was announced. I don't have enough information to make a decision.

My feelings for Sarah grew over time....

Don't give me that Kennedy BS either. I'm no big fan of Ted. Then again senator is not quite the same as VP behind a president that is 72 and has had multiple cancers either.

This response wouldn't be quite so lame if you hadn't whined and spewed as much hate at the prospect of Palin taking Stevens's place in the Senate as you did about her as VP.

Why exactly are we to believe you aren't just some flaming left wing apologist who hates anything pro-American and conservative?

By then I already knew more about her. And Kennedy's not trying to appoint HERSELF to the position. If she turns out to be an idiot, I'll be more than happy to tell you so.

[MJZiggy]

Her qualifications for Senator are probably as great as Schwarzenegger's were for Governor.

And we can see what a great job Arnold has done as governor.

Give me someone to vote for who actually "knows" what it's like to balance
a budget, live pay check to pay check, had a "real" job, understands what
the average American Joe goes through on a daily basis.

Most of these clowns don't have a clue. Arnold was a body builder-actor.
What great qualifications for a governor. But yet, California VOTED HIM IN!
They're getting what they deserve.

I see the same with Kennedy. It's name recognition ONLY. I've had enough
of the "ruling class" in politics. Term limits would be a good start but I don't
ever see that happening in my lifetime.

You make a good point. Note that Kennedy's never had to worry about getting the mansion's mortgage paid either...Isn't there some mayor somewhere or some county exec that needs a promotion? lol

[texaspackerbacker]

Actually, I have exactly and precisely the same thought as when Sarah Palin was announced. I don't have enough information to make a decision.

My feelings for Sarah grew over time....

Don't give me that Kennedy BS either. I'm no big fan of Ted. Then again senator is not quite the same as VP behind a president that is 72 and has had multiple cancers either.

This response wouldn't be quite so lame if you hadn't whined and spewed as much hate at the prospect of Palin taking Stevens's place in the Senate as you did about her as VP.

Why exactly are we to believe you aren't just some flaming left wing apologist who hates anything pro-American and conservative?

By then I already knew more about her. And Kennedy's not trying to appoint HERSELF to the position. If she turns out to be an idiot, I'll be more than happy to tell you so.

I would suggest you, just like the sick assholes of the leftist mainstream media, only claimed Palin was an idiot or whatever because you disagreed with her refreshing pro-American/pro-Christian/pro-free enterprise/pro-common people attitude and positions.

I would further suggest, that when Caroline has a chance to spell out her elitist Obama-esque anti-American/anti-good normal Americans/anti-free enterprise/anti-Christian positions type attitude, you'll love her and completely overlook the blatant inexperience that she really does have--and Palin did not.

As for appointing herself, governors do that all the time. I doubt you would have seen anything wrong with Blagojevich doing that if his scandal hadn't surfaced--or any other liberal doing the same.

[sheepshead]

Actually, I have exactly and precisely the same thought as when Sarah Palin was announced. I don't have enough information to make a decision.

My feelings for Sarah grew over time....

Don't give me that Kennedy BS either. I'm no big fan of Ted. Then again senator is not quite the same as VP behind a president that is 72 and has had multiple cancers either.

Zig-SHE'S NEVER HAD JOB! EVER!
Here's a more accurate bio than sheepdip spin:
http://www.biography.com/search/article.do?id=204598

Her qualifications are not outstanding, but they are not non-existant for a senator. She also has a lot of characteristics that are useful for a senator - name recognition, political contacts, fundraising experience, and a personal fortune.

However, I'm not particularly in favor of her getting appointed, as I don't like dynasty political families (Kennedy, Clinton, and worst of all Bush).

ok dickhead-if we're resorting to name calling-where's the job? I don't see one. You know, a J-O-B where you show up someplace. Have assigned duties maybe, heaven forbid some responsibilities. Learn how to spell, keep the name calling to yourself and get a damn clue asshole.


[name recognition, political contacts, fundraising experience, and a personal fortune.]

You are a moron.

[sheepshead]

I'm a Kennedy fan, I like them. I have met Ted, Joe Jr, Eunice and even William Smith at the DNC here in '96. Carolyn and John were 20 feet in front of me at Notre Dame stadium during the special Olympics in 1986. The point is while she's not somebody's running mate, the Senate is a big job.

The Republican party had a VP candidate that had more experience than the top of ticket on the other side, yet all of her experience came into question.

Hillary's qualifications were weak, but at least she worked in a law firm for a while.
By the way, Carolyn and Ed have been separated for years. You won't see him unless he agrees to be dragged out.

[MadScientist]

ok dickhead-if we're resorting to name calling-where's the job? I don't see one. You know, a J-O-B where you show up someplace. Have assigned duties maybe, heaven forbid some responsibilities..

-- Interned for the New York Daily News and worked in the summers as a political intern for her uncle Ted Kennedy.
-- Worked at the Metropolitan Museum of Art

-- Ms. Kennedy’s work with the city’s public schools has won much attention, but has not been widely understood. Hired in October 2002 (her $1 salary meant she did not have to fill out financial disclosure forms) to overhaul the schools’ private fund-raising, she took on a haphazard operation and gave it a new mission: privately raising seed money to test new reforms, while trying to persuade New Yorkers to get involved in the schools in meaningful ways.


[name recognition, political contacts, fund raising experience, and a personal fortune.]

You are a moron.
Ok, shit for brains, I give you a chance. Explain here just how any of those characteristics are not useful to a senator, or to any one seeking any major public office. Otherwise you've proven yourself a fucktard.

[sheepshead]

Golly Gee Whiz, I can not argue with those hard hitting facts. You win. Name calling and all. Thank you for enlightening me.

(plus, since she's not running for anything, that last list doesn't really come into play now does it?)

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Actually, I have exactly and precisely the same thought as when Sarah Palin was announced. I don't have enough information to make a decision.

My feelings for Sarah grew over time....

Don't give me that Kennedy BS either. I'm no big fan of Ted. Then again senator is not quite the same as VP behind a president that is 72 and has had multiple cancers either.

Zig-SHE'S NEVER HAD JOB! EVER!
Here's a more accurate bio than sheepdip spin:
http://www.biography.com/search/article.do?id=204598

Her qualifications are not outstanding, but they are not non-existant for a senator. She also has a lot of characteristics that are useful for a senator - name recognition, political contacts, fundraising experience, and a personal fortune.

However, I'm not particularly in favor of her getting appointed, as I don't like dynasty political families (Kennedy, Clinton, and worst of all Bush).

ok dickhead-if we're resorting to name calling-where's the job? I don't see one. You know, a J-O-B where you show up someplace. Have assigned duties maybe, heaven forbid some responsibilities. Learn how to spell, keep the name calling to yourself and get a damn clue asshole.


[name recognition, political contacts, fundraising experience, and a personal fortune.]

You are a moron.

The only moron is you.


After earning her bachelor's degree in 1979, Caroline worked at the Metropolitan Museum of Art


She also began serving as the president of the John F. Kennedy Library Foundation, a nonprofit dedicated to providing financial support, staffing, and creative resources for the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum.

Furthermore, being a writer is a job. Calling yourself a writer is one thing, but since she did write 2 books i think we can call her a writer. Also, being an editor of books is a job.

[sheepshead]

Like I said, it's just hard to comment on posts like this. It's better that they stand on their own merit. Thanks.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Like I said, it's just hard to comment on posts like this. It's better that they stand on their own merit. Thanks.

Hard to comment or hard to admit you are wrong?

[sheepshead]

Whatever you say.

It's a done deal anyway. Besides we have our own "problem-children" democrats right here in Illinois. We sent one to Washington, but there's still a bunch here with their hands out.

[texaspackerbacker]

So now we know! She was an INTERN! Twice!

Not to BLOW things out of proportion, but that's kinda sick if it was her uncle.

At least we know she's a good swimmer.

by that standard, we can expect soon to have Senator Monica Lewinsky--talk about NAME RECOGNITION!

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'll be pissed of if she gets appointed to the Senate. There are plenty of people with real qualifications who should be ahead of her.

I have no problem if she uses her famous name to win an election, at least that takes some effort and public scrutiny. But to just hand her a Senate seat would be be disgusting.

[Kiwon]

What I want to know:

Who's going to play her in a SNL skit and have her say that she can see Greenland from her front porch?

[sheepshead]

looks like she voted about as much as Oprah:

NEW YORK — Caroline Kennedy, who wants to fill Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's seat, has not voted in a number of elections, including one race for the very job she is seeking.

The Democrat registered at her current address on Manhattan's Upper East Side in 1988. According to Board of Elections records, she missed several Democratic mayoral primaries in 1989, 1993, 1997 and 2005.

She also skipped the 1994 general election, when Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan was running for re-election. It is the same seat she hopes to take over if Clinton is confirmed as secretary of state in the new administration.

Her spokesman, Stefan Friedman, said Kennedy "recognizes just how important it is to vote" but has missed a handful of occasions over the last two decades.

[Kiwon]

Please...... She's about as much in touch with "the little people" as Madonna is with reality.

Princess Caroline is middle-aged, a Kennedy, and needs something to do besides fund-raising. Becoming a senator during the administration of America's first black president is all about the Kennedy family legacy. She wouldn't be serving the people of New York. She'd be a rubber stamp vote for Obama's social policies.

She's a person who cares about her community? Her voting record says otherwise, doesn't it?

[MJZiggy]

Well, the Post is none too fond of her...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/12/19/ST2008121902599.html?sid=ST2008121902599&s_pos=list

And here's one I really agree with about her treatment from the media vs. Palin. Interesting read.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/18/AR2008121803230.html?sid=ST2008121902599&s_pos=

[Kiwon]

Well, the Post is none too fond of her...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/12/19/ST2008121902599.html?sid=ST2008121902599&s_pos=list

That's not "the Post." That is Charles Krauthammer's op-ed.

The second one, Kathleen Parker's article, is more of the same elite, inside-the-Beltway snobbery. I'm disappointed you agree with it.

The elites' bit about Sarah Palin, the stupid hick from Alaska, is pure bunk. They acknowledge her popularity, her accomplishments, etc.,....but they don't like her because "she's not one of us."

Caroline Kennedy, on the other hand, has done nothing compared to Palin, but she's "sophisticated," had the right upcoming, gone to the right schools and belongs to the club. That about sums it up.

The Kathleen Parkers of the world are the phoney ones. Double-standards all around. They don't evaluate people on their merits. They simply favor those who are most like them.

MJZ, why do you buy into their nonsense?

[MJZiggy]

The second one, Kathleen Parker's article, is more of the same elite, inside-the-Beltway snobbery. I'm disappointed you agree with it.

The elites' bit about Sarah Palin, the stupid hick from Alaska, is pure bunk. They acknowledge her popularity, her accomplishments, etc.,....but they don't like her because "she's not one of us."

Caroline Kennedy, on the other hand, has done nothing compared to Palin, but she's "sophisticated," had the right upcoming, gone to the right schools and belongs to the club. That about sums it up.

The Kathleen Parkers of the world are the phoney ones. Double-standards all around. They don't evaluate people on their merits. They simply favor those who are most like them.

MJZ, why do you buy into their nonsense?

I disagree with your assessment of what the article says. It says that Palin was rejected on her incuriosity, and non-intellectualism (the do not appreciate "dumbing down" around here any more) yet they give Palin props (which I agree with in this instance) for having been elected to her positions and worked her way from Wasilla to the governor's mansion. It further goes on to say that as Senator Kennedy would have opportunity to do a whole lot less damage than the VP should anything happen to the Prez. This is true. That doesn't necessarily mean that Kennedy should be handed the job without proper vetting, even as a placeholder. The major rip on the Palin choice was that she wasn't properly vetted. This would likely wind up the same, though I will take issue with those who suggest Kennedy's done NOTHING. She has done things (just try writing a book once) and there are some things that suggest she might be able to use her name and connections to get some things done, but to just call and say she'd like the seat and have it handed to her based solely on her last name would be irresponsible.

[texaspackerbacker]

The second one, Kathleen Parker's article, is more of the same elite, inside-the-Beltway snobbery. I'm disappointed you agree with it.

The elites' bit about Sarah Palin, the stupid hick from Alaska, is pure bunk. They acknowledge her popularity, her accomplishments, etc.,....but they don't like her because "she's not one of us."

Caroline Kennedy, on the other hand, has done nothing compared to Palin, but she's "sophisticated," had the right upcoming, gone to the right schools and belongs to the club. That about sums it up.

The Kathleen Parkers of the world are the phoney ones. Double-standards all around. They don't evaluate people on their merits. They simply favor those who are most like them.

MJZ, why do you buy into their nonsense?

I disagree with your assessment of what the article says. It says that Palin was rejected on her incuriosity, and non-intellectualism (the do not appreciate "dumbing down" around here any more) yet they give Palin props (which I agree with in this instance) for having been elected to her positions and worked her way from Wasilla to the governor's mansion. It further goes on to say that as Senator Kennedy would have opportunity to do a whole lot less damage than the VP should anything happen to the Prez. This is true. That doesn't necessarily mean that Kennedy should be handed the job without proper vetting, even as a placeholder. The major rip on the Palin choice was that she wasn't properly vetted. This would likely wind up the same, though I will take issue with those who suggest Kennedy's done NOTHING. She has done things (just try writing a book once) and there are some things that suggest she might be able to use her name and connections to get some things done, but to just call and say she'd like the seat and have it handed to her based solely on her last name would be irresponsible.

Is there even such a word as "incuriosity"?

Kiwon, WHY would you be SURPRISED by Ziggy's swallowing of the elitist crap of that Parker article and the hate she spews about Palin? It's what she's all about, and her consistent sad position ever since the Palin phenomenon started.

I really wonder why liberal women are so threatened by a woman who is able to be strong and confident and relevant, while maintaining morality and femininity. Somehow, they seem more comfortable worshiping the shallow media-inspired dilettantes and socialites like Caroline Kennedy--who has literally NEVER succeeded in anything--as liberated women purport to expect in their role models. Yet she's Ziggy's kind of woman, and Sarah Palin--with all her accomplishments and her down-to-earth normalcy--is not.

[MJZiggy]

God damn are you paranoid. She gave Palin props for working her way up. Her problem with Kennedy is that she hasn't worked her way through govt. channels. She didn't even bash Palin herself. (and for a change, neither did I if you read my post). She (and I) were merely pointing out why Palin was not accepted inside the beltway (or out for that matter) and Kennedy is more palatable to them.

I even said I didn't like the idea of Kennedy just saying she might want the job and having it given to her. What more do you want. It's not like you'd have taken a fair look at a democrat (any democrat ever in the history of democracy and given them a fair look).

[texaspackerbacker]

God damn are you paranoid. She gave Palin props for working her way up. Her problem with Kennedy is that she hasn't worked her way through govt. channels. She didn't even bash Palin herself. (and for a change, neither did I if you read my post). She (and I) were merely pointing out why Palin was not accepted inside the beltway (or out for that matter) and Kennedy is more palatable to them.

I even said I didn't like the idea of Kennedy just saying she might want the job and having it given to her. What more do you want. It's not like you'd have taken a fair look at a democrat (any democrat ever in the history of democracy and given them a fair look).

I'm wondering as much about your definition of "paranoid" as I am about the existence of "incuriosity".

Your problem--and Ms. Parker's problem is that you/she seem to think there is something WRONG with being more like good normal Americans than these beltway elites.

If you want to substitute "liberal' for "Democrat" in your last couple of lines, you might have a point. I certainly am predisposed to oppose anyone following that rotten philosophy--just as you are about anyone and any idea that would be considered conservative. However, there have been plenty of Dems in my political lifetime that I have agreed with to some extent and on some issues. Lieberman comes to mind, as well as many "blue dog" or southern Democrats in the past.

[packinpatland]

I'm sorry Tex........Lieberman? :shock: Here in CT, his days as Sen. are numbered.

[digitaldean]

I'm sorry Tex........Lieberman? :shock: Here in CT, his days as Sen. are numbered.

Yup, go against the Democratic machine enough and they'll ditch you in a heartbeat.

Never mind the fact that Lieberman has done some significant work during his tenure.

[texaspackerbacker]

I'm sorry Tex........Lieberman? :shock: Here in CT, his days as Sen. are numbered.

Yup, go against the Democratic machine enough and they'll ditch you in a heartbeat.

Never mind the fact that Lieberman has done some significant work during his tenure.

I thought they took their best shot at him the last time around, and the people decided to keep him.

[packinpatland]

He's a waffle-er. With Joe, it's which way is the wind blowing and it always seems to benefit him.
First he's a Dem, then he's an Ind., then he leans Rep. He's all over the place.

This is the kind poll going around:

Do you approve or disapprove of the job Joe Lieberman is doing as U.S. senator?

Approve 36 (45)
Disapprove 61 (43)

If the 2012 election for U.S. Senate were held today would you to reelect Joe Lieberman would you consider voting for another candidate or would you vote to replace Lieberman?

Reelect 35
Consider Someone Else 18
Replace 48

If Joe Lieberman loses his committee chairmanship at Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs and switches his allegiance to the Republican Party would you that make you more likely reelect Lieberman more likely to consider voting for another candidate or more likely to vote to replace Lieberman?

Reelect 31
Consider Someone Else 15
Replace 52

http://blogs.courant.com/capitol_watch/2008/12/new-low-for-lieberman-in-quinn.html

By the way, CT has a Rep. Gov. and she's doing an excellent job. There are times it's not about party. In my opinion, that's the case with Joe. If there were a 4th party out there that was looking good........he'd join that one.

[MJZiggy]

Let me help you out, Tex.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/incuriosity

And find ONE spot in ANY post I made in this thread that in ANY way suggests that I think there's anything wrong with working your way up. I said exactly the opposite. Quit making shit up. And to you "democrat" and "liberal" are the same thing unless you want to make up that list for me of the democrats you support.

Jesus, try and toss you guys a bone and you make up opinions for me and attack the opinions you made up. Fifteen yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct.

[texaspackerbacker]

Don't get me wrong, it's not like I care about Lieberman.

He's one of the worst on global warming; He continues to be a tax and spend domestic liberal; He's staunch and pro-American on defense and security issues, but I think that has more to do with his being Jewish and a diehard supporter of Israel than anything else.

There's no way anybody decent is going to come out of a state like Connecticut, and Lieberman may be about the best we can hope for, but he's nothing all that special. I just cited him as one Dem that I had "taken a fair look at" or whatever Ziggy said.

As for sampling which way the wind is blowing, unlike some, I never criticized Bill Clinton for that. It basically means a politician is paying attention to the wishes of his constituents--which is what they all are supposed to do. My major gripe is those constituent wishes are all too often corrupted by the God damned American-hating assholes of the mainstream media.

[packinpatland]

"There's no way anybody decent is going to come out of a state like Connecticut..."


Geeeez Tex, thanks. :roll:

[texaspackerbacker]

"There's no way anybody decent is going to come out of a state like Connecticut..."


Geeeez Tex, thanks. :roll:

Maybe I should have said "politically speaking".

Actually, by that same reasoning, I really don't care if Caroline gets appointed either. The alternative, apparently, is Andrew Cuomo. He'd probably be just as bad and more effective in his badness--nothing decent is likely to come out of New York either--politically speaking.

[The Shadow]

Chelsea Clinton for Secretary of Defense!

[Freak Out]

I could give a shit what NY does with the open seat. Letterman, Steinbrenner, Kennedy.....it's their decision.

[Harlan Huckleby]

He's a waffle-er. With Joe, it's which way is the wind blowing and it always seems to benefit him.
First he's a Dem, then he's an Ind., then he leans Rep. He's all over the place.

Huh!? Lieberman has been the opposite of a waffler, he sticks to positions he believes in, regardless of which party philosophy they fall neatly into. The only "waffling" has been by leftist democrats, who want to punish him now that they might not need his vote so badly.

Lieberman votes liberal on most domestic issues, he certainly is more like a dem than a republican. But he has taken a hard line on international issues, he backed the surge strategy, and he endorsed John McCain because of his judgement on foreign policy.

Its funny how the Democrats are becoming the party of intolerance. John Kennedy would not be welcome in the party today, he was certainly to the right of Lieberman. But I suppose the pendulum will swing back someday.

[Kiwon]

He's a waffle-er. With Joe, it's which way is the wind blowing and it always seems to benefit him.
First he's a Dem, then he's an Ind., then he leans Rep. He's all over the place.

Huh!? Lieberman has been the opposite of a waffler, he sticks to positions he believes in, regardless of which party philosophy they fall neatly into. The only "waffling" has been by leftist democrats, who want to punish him now that they might not need his vote so badly.

Lieberman votes liberal on most domestic issues, he certainly is more like a dem than a republican. But he has taken a hard line on international issues, he backed the surge strategy, and he endorsed John McCain because of his judgement on foreign policy.

Its funny how the Democrats are becoming the party of intolerance. John Kennedy would not be welcome in the party today, he was certainly to the right of Lieberman. But I suppose the pendulum will swing back someday.

:roll: Lieberman is the one Democrat that has carried himself with some integrity, even when savaged by his colleagues of several years.

Word Association Game - Read the names of the following leaders and what's the first thing that comes to mind?:

Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Schumer, Rangel, Boxer, Durbin, Dean, Conyers, Dodd, Kerry, Biden.

"Endless lies" is what I think of.

Lieberman is not even in the same league with them.

[texaspackerbacker]

Let me help you out, Tex.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/incuriosity

And find ONE spot in ANY post I made in this thread that in ANY way suggests that I think there's anything wrong with working your way up. I said exactly the opposite. Quit making shit up. And to you "democrat" and "liberal" are the same thing unless you want to make up that list for me of the democrats you support.

Jesus, try and toss you guys a bone and you make up opinions for me and attack the opinions you made up. Fifteen yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct.

I didn't notice your post until now.

So "incuriosity" is a word on some level? Mostly archaic? OK, I'll have to give you that, although, clearly, "uncurious" with no related noun form would seem to be far more suitable.

I'm not sure whether your post came before or after I mentioned Lieberman and a plethora of other mostly southern "blue dog" Dems in my lifetime, but no, I don't automatically assume Democrat means liberal--although it is getting increasingly that way. Breaux of Louisiana was the last Dem I can remember in the Senate, at least that showed an ounce of normalcy and pro-American-osity (see, I can make up words too)--other than Lieberman, who as I said, really IS a liberal on most issues.

The point of this whole discussion--from my point of view, anyway, is not the unsuitability of Caroline Kennedy--and the lack of a record of "working her way up", but the blatant double standard between her and Sarah Palin--who actually does have a wonderful record and resume.

Even if the leftist mainstream media pictured equivalency between Palin and Kennedy, they would be wrong, as Palin has a solid record of achievment, and Kennedy does not. They go way beyond that, though, having the elitist gall to portray Kennedy as more suitable than Palin.

The conservative equivalent of Caroline Kennedy would be somebody like Maureen Reagan--who although we has wonderful conservative positions on issues, has no experience to qualify her to be a senator or whatever. Honestly, that wouldn't bother me, and I can't really fault leftists for supporting Caroline the same way.

I'm just pointing out the annoying and incessant bashing of Sarah Palin as somehow less competent or qualified, when in fact, Palin is on a much higher level than Kennedy, or than God damned Obama, for that matter.

[packinpatland]

I'm just pointing out the annoying and incessant bashing of Sarah Palin as somehow less competent or qualified, when in fact, Palin is on a much higher level than Kennedy, or than God damned Obama, for that matter.


Yeah but........Palin 'pals around' with drug peddlers. :lol:

[texaspackerbacker]

I'll see your daughter's mother-in-law and raise you three Kennedy cousins and a alcoholic Uncle Teddy.

And Obama ........ he patronized the drug peddlers--and I think crack cocaine trumps oxycontin, too.

[packinpatland]

That's good Tex....not worth a damn......but good. :lol:

[sheepshead]

It seems that Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg, or how ever she is styling herself this week, has been carrying on a “close friendship” with NY Times publisher Arthur “Pinch” Sulzberger (in this context his nickname is most appropriate) and the NY Times refuses to comment on the subject. Sez them: “we don’t report stuff like this, regardless of the people involved.”

[Kiwon]

She's never held public office. She didn't financially support New York Democrats. She didn't even vote consistently. But now, at age 51, Princess Caroline is answering her father's famous call to public service?

Kennedy says 9/11, Obama led her to public service

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2008-12-26-kennedy_N.htm

Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg should stay on the sidelines and keep living off the Kennedy mystique. She will always have her devotees, but the more in the public eye she emerges, the more people are reminded that the only fairly tale surrounding her is the "glory" of the Kennedys.

Her family's been screwed up for generations, including her mother's side.

But she and Obama do have something in common - their qualifications for service and public personas are both substantively media creations.

Example: Poll: Obama is man Americans admire most

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2008-12-25-admire-poll_N.htm

Most admired by whom? Nobody really knows him. The media worked overtime to obscure his personal history and craft an image just like they did with the Kennedys.

32% of 1,008 people said Obama. The next closest person has 5%.

On which Manhattan sidewalk did they do their survey?

Do you doubt me? Get this, "Hillary Rodham Clinton leads the list of most-admired woman, a spot she's held for 13 of the past 16 years."

One of the MOST-ADMIRED WOMEN for 16 years? On planet Liberal Elite, maybe, but not in the real world.

But, hey, USA Today commissioned the survey and they get to put the results on their front page like its real news. Pakistan's troops moving to the borders of India? Move that story and put the survey in its place. That's not more important than declaring Obama six times more popular than any other living American. And this is journalism as 2009 begins.

So I guess it will be Senator Caroline Kennedy (Schlossberg) by decree so the elites' fairy tale will continue.

[texaspackerbacker]

Frankly, I don't give a damn.

I say again, no way anybody who ain't a total piece of crap is ever going to the Senate from a state like New York anyway. If it ain't poor pathetic Caroline, it will be somebody just as rotten, and probably a lot more effective in their rottenness--Andrew Cuomo, for example.

[sheepshead]

Anyone else think her brother would be president elect today had he lived?

[Kiwon]

Anyone else think her brother would be president elect today had he lived?

Yep, he was definitely heading that way.

He came to Seoul a few months before he died. Nobody cared about his message. The Koreans were ga-ga over his good looks and his Kennedy name.

He'd be a shoo-in for stardom, especially when compared to the dinosaurs in the Democratic Party.

[sheepshead]

"He came to Seoul a few months before he died. Nobody cared about his message. The Koreans were ga-ga over his good looks and his Kennedy name. "

Uhh we dont know anyone like THAT do we?

[MJZiggy]

"He came to Seoul a few months before he died. Nobody cared about his message. The Koreans were ga-ga over his good looks and his Kennedy name. "

Uhh we dont know anyone like THAT do we?

Yes and her name is Sarah.

[sheepshead]

"He came to Seoul a few months before he died. Nobody cared about his message. The Koreans were ga-ga over his good looks and his Kennedy name. "

Uhh we dont know anyone like THAT do we?

Yes and her name is Sarah.

I would have to argue that there are many on the right that share her values and admire her record in government.

[MJZiggy]

Which of her values do you share and what has she done in office that you admire?

[sheepshead]

You can start here:



http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2008/08/30/sarah-palin-vs-barack-obama/

[MJZiggy]

No inflammatory bias there...

I'm sick of this argument. She lost. It's debatable that she may have cost McCain the election and (fact that you've conveniently forgotten) I've already given her props for getting elected in Alaska). It doesn't make her ready to be VP. You asked a question, I answered it and you've done everything you could think of to invalidate my answer. In order to do that, I'll need something more specific than she's the governor. You've even gone so far as to say that I'm against her belief in family. Bullshit. She can believe what she wants about family, but even in light of what happened, she has still suggested the desire to make her opinion on family public school policy. That's what set it off for me and it's gonna take one helluva trump card to change my view of her. Ronnie accomplished the task. Don't think Sarah will ever match him, but if she does, I may change my opinion of her. Until then, I have no reason to.

[digitaldean]

I'll need something more specific than she's the governor.

You can check out the list I compiled replying to you in the PR Gals thread. Many more people have become VP with less credentials.

[TravisWilliams23]

I will take issue with those who suggest Kennedy's done NOTHING. She has done things (just try writing a book once)

but to just call and say she'd like the seat and have it handed to her based solely on her last name would be irresponsible.

John Grogan wrote Marley & Me. Great book. Doesn't qualify him to
be considered a Senator. He's also written other books and has held a
real job. But if I could vote between the him and Caroline, Grogan
would get my vote because he has an idea of what us common folk go
through on a daily basis. Can't say the same for Kennedy.

I believe this is exactly what she has done. "Hello, I'm a Kennedy
and want that NY Senate seat."

[Kiwon]

I'll need something more specific than she's the governor.

You can check out the list I compiled replying to you in the PR Gals thread. Many more people have become VP with less credentials.

It won't matter. Certain women have their (finger)nails out for Sarah Palin.

There's an irrationality at work here. She's always be too this or too that. The bottom line is that she will never be accepted by them.

It reminds me of office politics when female employees get a strong female boss. ( :) Sounds chauvinistic, but com'on, gals, 'fess up, you know it's the truth)

[packinpatland]

You can start here:



http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2008/08/30/sarah-palin-vs-barack-obama/

Not that it really matters, but your ^ reference says she was mayor for 10 years...........Palin served two three-year terms (1996–2002) as the mayor of Wasilla. I have to say, as comedy goes, that whole thing was pretty darn funny. :lol:

[sheepshead]

You can start here:



http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2008/08/30/sarah-palin-vs-barack-obama/

Not that it really matters, but your ^ reference says she was mayor for 10 years...........Palin served two three-year terms (1996–2002) as the mayor of Wasilla. I have to say, as comedy goes, that whole thing was pretty darn funny. :lol:

Yeah but the correct years are printed above that line. While there's an amount of sarcasm on that site, the Obama side is entirely accurate as far as I can see. Besides, where else are you gonna find a comparison like this?? MSNBC?

bottom line...jobs like Senator from NY are way too important, especially in these times, to hand them out to bored housewives.

[MJZiggy]

I will take issue with those who suggest Kennedy's done NOTHING. She has done things (just try writing a book once)

but to just call and say she'd like the seat and have it handed to her based solely on her last name would be irresponsible.

John Grogan wrote Marley & Me. Great book. Doesn't qualify him to
be considered a Senator. He's also written other books and has held a
real job. But if I could vote between the him and Caroline, Grogan
would get my vote because he has an idea of what us common folk go
through on a daily basis. Can't say the same for Kennedy.

I believe this is exactly what she has done. "Hello, I'm a Kennedy
and want that NY Senate seat."

Nice comparison. It'll be interesting to see what happens should the Clinton appointment be approved.

[sheepshead]

I will take issue with those who suggest Kennedy's done NOTHING. She has done things (just try writing a book once)

but to just call and say she'd like the seat and have it handed to her based solely on her last name would be irresponsible.

John Grogan wrote Marley & Me. Great book. Doesn't qualify him to
be considered a Senator. He's also written other books and has held a
real job. But if I could vote between the him and Caroline, Grogan
would get my vote because he has an idea of what us common folk go
through on a daily basis. Can't say the same for Kennedy.

I believe this is exactly what she has done. "Hello, I'm a Kennedy
and want that NY Senate seat."

Nice comparison. It'll be interesting to see what happens should the Clinton appointment be approved.

I'm not sure what that means. Clinton's resume isn't much better, but she has won an election.
Bill controls millions that middle eastern countries have given him. I don't think the appointment of his wife as SOS (a far ore important job than VP) is in the best interest of this country.

[MJZiggy]

I'm talking about Kennedy's appointment not Clinton's appointment. I only mention it because they won't fill the Senate seat, which is what we are discussing, until Clinton is actually approved by Congress. That's not a certainty. And you might take note that the VP spot is already filled by Joe Biden. That job's not up for discussion any more.

[texaspackerbacker]

It sounds like Ziggy is trying to kill the thread--rather than have it get back to a discussion of Sarah Palin, her qualifications, and the treatment of her, compared to Caroline Kennedy and the same about her. That comparison, of course, was my reason for starting this thread in the first place.

The sick and horrific media double standard is the bottom line of this discussion, just as it is with so many discussions.

As I have said, I really don't give a shit whether pathetic Caroline gets appointed or not, as coming out of the political cesspool known as New York, the alternatives (Andrew Cuomo?) would be as bad or worse--and probably more effective at being bad for America than the inept Caroline would be.

The real point is that there is a strong chance America will have had a belly full of Barak Obama by four years from now. Sarah Palin would be a strong prospect to step in as a popular alternative--unless the leftist mainstream media can quash her chances early on.

Ziggy obviously is the primary irrational Palin-hater in here--as hypocritical as that is for a liberal woman.

[MJZiggy]

Ok, explain to me how Sarah Palin would be the LEAST bit attractive as a candidate to a woman, liberal or conservative?

And you started a thread about Kennedy. She is being considered for a Senate seat. Palin is absolutely irrelevant.

[sheepshead]

Zig, you're starting to sound like Ty

[MJZiggy]

Hey, I answered your question with what I really thought (and look where it got me) now it's your turn to answer mine. Think it through and give me a decent answer, not just an accusation of sounding like someone else.

[texaspackerbacker]

Ok, explain to me how Sarah Palin would be the LEAST bit attractive as a candidate to a woman, liberal or conservative?

And you started a thread about Kennedy. She is being considered for a Senate seat. Palin is absolutely irrelevant.

The political left and their media cohorts WOULD LIKE Palin to be irrelevant. However, the groundswell among good normal Americans says otherwise. Four years ago, a guy named Barak Obama was equally, if not more, irrelavnt. He, however, had the elitist media promoting him rather than trying to derail him. We now will see if grassroots America can do the same with Palin as the elitist left wing media did with Obama.

What is attractive about her? As with any politician, it's completely about two fairly equal factors: political positions and electability.

The left literally drooled over the prospect of having somebody so extreme in his leftist positions as Obama and at the same time, sellable to enough Americans to get elected. Palin objectively could be looked upon as the same thing from our side of the spectrum. More accurately, though, her political positions are merely the traditional pro-American normalcy which elitist leftists try to portray as extreme.

Why would women support her? Well, part of it is simply that any group tends to support one of their own. Beyond that, however, you, Ziggy, seem to be swallowing the leftist line that ALL or even a large majority of women support the stereotypical crap the left puts out. It may come as a shock to you, but a lot of women don't live and die for the right to have abortions. They also don't all buy the crap that America is wrong about everything or that war is never necessary to achieve positive results or that government programs and regulations are solutions rather than obstacles to progress, or that there is somehow something wrong with us--Americans--being far and away, the happiest and most prosperous people in the world, etc.

[MJZiggy]

First off Tex, I'm not as pro-abortion as you think. I think it should be illegal after viability. That's well documented. And thanks, but Sarah's gender has little to do with her ability as a politician. Not any politician will do simply because she happens to be female. I don't buy that everyone supports any particular party line. If that were true, then Condi would most certainly be a democrat, right?

I also do not think that war is never necessary, but that war is a gargantuan step that must be thought through and entered into by people with enough intelligence to make the call and the ability to think through where it leads us in the end. You will never convince me that Bush went into that war thinking it was simply a distraction for al qaeda. Bush himself has recently admitted that they weren't ready for that war. You gonna argue with him too? And you also know that I only believe in government programs as a means to an end and not a permanent condition. I believe that the Detroit automakers should get unemployment, but not forever--only for a reasonable period to find other work. You don't think the displaced autoworkers and the millions in this country who've been laid off should have unemployment compensation benefits for a set period of time? Don't generalize with me Tex.

Which of Sarah's positions is pro American. I'm still trying to get you guys to list one policy of hers that you agree with, because, quite frankly, I don't think any one of you knows what her policies are. Dean made a nice generalization of her resume, but it didn't include a single issue that she stood for or against. And until she throws her hat into the ring again, she IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. (Except to Freak Out) You're forgetting that should she try to run again, she'd have to win the nomination. I doubt she can do that. I don't think a wink and a smile will get that done against more powerful experienced and accomplished republicans. She was chosen for a reason and it backfired.

[texaspackerbacker]

Do you realize how many contradictions were built into those three paragraphs of yours?

First of all, what you may think about abortion is irrelevant--to use your pet word. It is the fact that your seem to think that Palin would turn off other women because of her beliefs and positions--anti-abortion being one, but far from the most significant of those. The women stereotyping themselves by succumbing to leftist propaganda--whether or not you are one of them--are far from a large majority if they are a majority at all.

Who said Palin's gender has anything to do with her "ability as a politician"? It might have a small amount to do with the electability side of being a politician, but thanks to the effectiveness of the leftist propaganda machine on at least a large minority of women, her gender will be far less of a benefit than Obama's race, for example, which came through to the tune of 95%+ for him--many with views and values completely contrary to Obama's. Your citing of Condoleeza Rice only serves to confirm the fantastic ability of the leftist media to overcome both gender and race in her case with propaganda and downright malicious demagoguery. If she was nothing more than an ambitious hypocrite, she could have signed on as aDemocrat and basically written her own ticket to the heights of success. Instead, she get pissed on and disrespected for her decent heartfelt pro-American viewpoints.

What possessed you to bring up the subject of unemployment compensation? That's one "liberal" program I am in favor of--perhaps you'll recall my going around and around with Howard, Bobblehead, and others over the benefit of government injecting money into the economy. It's the raising of taxes to "pay for it"--a completely bogus concept--that I'm against.

You would actually ask which of Palin's positions are pro-American? If you can't figure that out, then you are even more a victim of your side's propaganda than I thought. Using American sources of oil; not tearing down our economy and lifestyle over the myth of manmade global warming, keeping the American military strong and using it overseas to prevent terrorism against Americans at home, not overtaxing Americans to pay for a myriad of regulation and programs that ultimately drag this country down, unabashedly supporting traditional American values and Judeo-Christian heritage against the onslaught of multiculturalist and moral equivalency crap, I could go on, but I hope you get the picture--even though I doubt you agree--which would just be a sign that you are on the wrong side of most or all of those issues.

The governor of a state--the geographically largest and most natural resource-rich of all the states is "COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT" in your opinion? And I suppose a spoiled debutante from a leftist political family is not irrelevant? Or a hack state legislator with roots in a corrupt politcal machine that never did anything else except be a community organizer i.e. person who stirs up trouble in the ghetto--is not irrelevant?

How transparently hypocritical can you be?

As for Sarah's "wink and smile", I wouldn't care if she looked like Janet Reno if she stood for the right things. Reality, however, dictates that appearance does mean something in terms of electability--which makes it what? Relevant.

[MJZiggy]

The governor of a state--the geographically largest and most natural resource-rich of all the states is "COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT" in your opinion? And I suppose a spoiled debutante from a leftist political family is not irrelevant? Or a hack state legislator with roots in a corrupt politcal machine that never did anything else except be a community organizer i.e. person who stirs up trouble in the ghetto--is not irrelevant?

Interesting. Sarah Palin is the governor of a state with 600K people in it. My neighborhood has almost that many. Caroline Kennedy is completely irrelevant unless she is given that seat, yes. Obama, however is not irrelevant. He is your new President. He is very relevant and will remain so for the next eight years and beyond.

Condoleeza Rice used intelligence, wit and grace to rise into the position she did. I admire her and anyone who can do the same. Janet Reno would have done well in the elected political arena.

[texaspackerbacker]

The governor of a state--the geographically largest and most natural resource-rich of all the states is "COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT" in your opinion? And I suppose a spoiled debutante from a leftist political family is not irrelevant? Or a hack state legislator with roots in a corrupt politcal machine that never did anything else except be a community organizer i.e. person who stirs up trouble in the ghetto--is not irrelevant?

Interesting. Sarah Palin is the governor of a state with 600K people in it. My neighborhood has almost that many. Caroline Kennedy is completely irrelevant unless she is given that seat, yes. Obama, however is not irrelevant. He is your new President. He is very relevant and will remain so for the next eight years and beyond.

Condoleeza Rice used intelligence, wit and grace to rise into the position she did. I admire her and anyone who can do the same. Janet Reno would have done well in the elected political arena.

Yeah, Janet Reno would have done well BECAUSE THE ROTTEN LEFTIST MAINSTREAM MEDIA WOULD HAVE GLORIFIED HER INSTEAD OF CONDEMNED HER--do you actually not understand that?

Condoleeza used intelligence, wit, and grace to deal with the horrible hateful and often racist crap put out against her by the leftist mainstream media. I hate to even think of how she would have been trashed if she had actually run for president.

The point with Obama was that he was hoisted from rank irrelevancy--far more irrelevant than Palin--by the elitist leftist media. Now, hell yeah, for better or worse, he is damn relevant--and we will all suffer for it.

And you STILL are so hypocritical as to dismiss the position of governor of Alaska as irrelevant?

[MJZiggy]

I don't give a flying fuck about the governor from Alaska any more than I do about the governor of Idaho. It's not hypocrisy. That's just how it is. She has no bearing on my life. The pipelines are federal projects. She does not control them. Basically she is governor of a big fucking wilderness and you can't seem to realize that this fact has little bearing on the rest of us. Let me ask you--had you even heard of her before McCain chose her (a choice he was criticized for WITHIN the republican party mind you as there were better candidates available or are you trying to convince me that there weren't other, better choices out there? If Sarah Palin is the best the republican party has to offer, I'd be very worried were I you).

It no longer matters where Obama came from. I don't care where he came from. He is about to be the President. He will still govern you. End of story.

[packinpatland]

The point with Obama was that he was hoisted from rank irrelevancy--far more irrelevant than Palin--by the elitist leftist media. Now, hell yeah, for better or worse, he is damn relevant--and we will all suffer for it.

Tex, when this happens let's talk about it. MJZ is right, Palin is irrelevant right now. In 8 years we can argue the point.

[texaspackerbacker]

I don't give a flying fuck about the governor from Alaska any more than I do about the governor of Idaho. It's not hypocrisy. That's just how it is. She has no bearing on my life. The pipelines are federal projects. She does not control them. Basically she is governor of a big fucking wilderness and you can't seem to realize that this fact has little bearing on the rest of us. Let me ask you--had you even heard of her before McCain chose her (a choice he was criticized for WITHIN the republican party mind you as there were better candidates available or are you trying to convince me that there weren't other, better choices out there? If Sarah Palin is the best the republican party has to offer, I'd be very worried were I you).

It no longer matters where Obama came from. I don't care where he came from. He is about to be the President. He will still govern you. End of story.

OK, fine, but what did you think about the irrelevant black guy who spoke at the Dem convention four years ago, and subsequently was the toast of the leftist mainstream media four the next four years?

Did you whine and bellyache about him getting too much attention then?

Did you feel the need to point out how insignificant a state legislator was or how unqualified he was?

If you can honestly answer yes to those questions, then you maybe aren't a total politically biased hypocrite with a horrible double standard? Even that, though, would assume the equivalence of the governor of a state with a state legislator.

[MJZiggy]

I thought he must have given one hell of a speech to garner that kind of attention.

Find where I whined about Palin getting too much attention.

He wasn't running for anything. What would have been the point?

These were not yes or no questions. Although admittedly the governor of a state and a state legislator are not on the same plane, I bet he represented more people than she does as governor. He certainly does now, doesn't he? Now, PIP is right. Let's discuss this in 8 years when it comes up again.

[texaspackerbacker]

I thought he must have given one hell of a speech to garner that kind of attention.

Find where I whined about Palin getting too much attention.

He wasn't running for anything. What would have been the point?

These were not yes or no questions. Although admittedly the governor of a state and a state legislator are not on the same plane, I bet he represented more people than she does as governor. He certainly does now, doesn't he? Now, PIP is right. Let's discuss this in 8 years when it comes up again.

Hell Yeah! He said exactly what America-hating leftist assholes in the media wanted to hear.

You whine about Palin every time her name is brought up. As you like to point out, Palin isn't running for anything either--your apparent justification for whining that she is irrelevant. If it's "What would have been the point?" about Obama then, what is your point in bellyaching about Palin now--if not bias and a sick double standard?

Just looking at the math of it, I doubt if you divide the population of Illinois by the number of state legislators you get more than 600,000--your figure for the Alaska population.

As for the "Let's discuss this in 8 years" thing, you and PIP are making the giant leap of an assumption that Obama will be around for a second term. Apparently, a lot of those who were hoodwinked into voting for him are already getting buyers remorse. If he actually doesn't screw up royally and most of us actually don't suffer because he was elected, I will be pleased to give him credit, as that would be good for the country. I always gave Bill Clinton a degree of credit for not governing as horribly as his liberal background said he would, but then, he had the Gingrich Congress and the dotcom boom bringing success. Obama, on the other hand, has assholes like Reid and Pelosi leading a near filibuster proof majority to inflict all manner of evil upon us.

[MJZiggy]

He was at the Democratic National Convention. You thought he'd praise the Republican platform?

Nobody was using Obama to trash the winning incumbent for months after the election back then either. The point is that you won't shut the fuck up about her comparing her to Obama every chance you see the slightest opportunity and for some bizarre reason obsessing about whether I like her. I don't and you can't change that.

And that's not my figure for the Alaska population. It's their official number from the US Census Bureau or are they America hating leftists over there too?

Why don't you wait and see how it plays out before you go on the attack. You've just said that you thought better of Clinton's governance than you thought you would. Why not see if the same holds true for Obama.

Oh. I just thought of it. I read a headline this morning that said the Obama tax CUTS will take effect soon. I didn't get the chance to read the article, so could you please explain that headline to me?

[HowardRoark]

Can ya’ll go take a Midol and watch a Lifetime movie?

That one movie about a woman.

[texaspackerbacker]

He was at the Democratic National Convention. You thought he'd praise the Republican platform?

Nobody was using Obama to trash the winning incumbent for months after the election back then either. The point is that you won't shut the fuck up about her comparing her to Obama every chance you see the slightest opportunity and for some bizarre reason obsessing about whether I like her. I don't and you can't change that.

And that's not my figure for the Alaska population. It's their official number from the US Census Bureau or are they America hating leftists over there too?

Why don't you wait and see how it plays out before you go on the attack. You've just said that you thought better of Clinton's governance than you thought you would. Why not see if the same holds true for Obama.

Oh. I just thought of it. I read a headline this morning that said the Obama tax CUTS will take effect soon. I didn't get the chance to read the article, so could you please explain that headline to me?

So you're acknowledging that appealing to America-haters is simply the natural thing to do at the Dem Convention. I wouldn't dispute that.

The point about the Alaska population was your probably ludicrous statement that Obama represented more people as an Illinois state legislator than the 600,000 of Alaskans. Do you really claim Illinois population divided by the number of legislators is more than 600,000? I haven't looked it up yet, but I will if necessary.

Didn't I already say, I'll give Obama credit if he departs from his stated intentions and the horrendous crap that would result? Some say his cabinet choices indicate he might be doing that, but it's way to early to be sure. He, or at least his people, are also saying the right stuff on this Israeli operation to take out the Hamas terrorists. There, too, we'll see when he is actually in position to do good or harm. See, I'm fair and balanced enough to give the guy credit if he deserves it.

As for the tax thing, what he plans on doing is a wash for people making under 200,000 or so, as he and the Dem Congress are steadfastly refusing to extend Bush's tax cuts. It will be a bloodbath for those over 200,000, and the news today is that they want to backdate it to 2009 instead of waiting 'til 2010. Apparently, some of his advisors are telling how stupid it is to raise taxes on anybody in an economic downturn, but he plans to do it anyway.

BTW, regarding the original subject of the thread, poor pathetic Caroline, apparently she had a little press conference today, and lived up to the pathetic label--among other things, 130 "ya know"s in about 15 minutes, and I think it was the NY Times that counted.

[MJZiggy]

No, I'm saying that anything democratic would be considered America hating by you, therefore anything said at the DNC would be de facto America hating to you.

Obama represented the 13th Illinois District from the south side of Chicago. He represented 781,000 people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois%27s_13th_congressional_district

Yes, let's wait until he does good or harm to discuss further, I agree.

I haven't seen her speech yet, and if she can't make a point clearly, then that would indicate a problem, though wouldn't it. Wait, I thought the damn leftist America hating media would refuse to report something bad about a dem. Hmmmmm....There's bias in that there bias.

Howard, unfortunately the Midol would only work for one of us. Is it the movie where the woman falls in love with the dude and he turns out to be a horse's ass? I've seen that one before. :mrgreen:

[texaspackerbacker]

No, I'm saying that anything democratic would be considered America hating by you, therefore anything said at the DNC would be de facto America hating to you.

Obama represented the 13th Illinois District from the south side of Chicago. He represented 781,000 people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois%27s_13th_congressional_district

Yes, let's wait until he does good or harm to discuss further, I agree.

I haven't seen her speech yet, and if she can't make a point clearly, then that would indicate a problem, though wouldn't it. Wait, I thought the damn leftist America hating media would refuse to report something bad about a dem. Hmmmmm....There's bias in that there bias.

Howard, unfortunately the Midol would only work for one of us. Is it the movie where the woman falls in love with the dude and he turns out to be a horse's ass? I've seen that one before. :mrgreen:

Did you mean to say "democratic"? Or did you mean "Democratic"? I would agree that the latter is saturated with America-hate--the former only to the extent that it is part of the latter.

Are you telling me there is only one state legislature district in Illinois for each Congressional district--only 20 or so members in their state legislature--the same number as they have Congressmen? It would be interesting to get that verified.

Yeah, that media thing about Caroline had me baffled too. Either they just couldn't avoid it, or else some of them would prefer a more effective rotten lefty like Cuomo, I suppose.

[sheepshead]

I think we should all give this another look:

Iowahawk Guest Opinion
by Rosa Ortiz
Chief of Housekeeping Staff
Estate of Caroline Kennedy

Buenos dias! I am Rosa. I twelve years work for Senora Caroline Kennedy and her family so I am write for you today to tell you why Senora Kennedy is make very very good senator for Nueva York. Senora Kennedy is very busy now with party menus so she tell me to write this when I am finish with floors and make the bed for guest wing. I am now finish so I write this.

Senora Kennedy is very very sad that television man say he no think she is make a good senator in Washington. This is not right for you to think this too because Senora Kennedy is make very good senator! Here is the reasons:

Senora Kennedy she is from famous senator family. Senora Kennedy father was El Presidente. She have tio who is senator. She have many cousin who also is senator, even all the ones with the drug problems. Why she is only one who no is senator? This is no fair to her. In my old country was the law that all family of el Presidente is also Senator or Minister until the revolucion.

Senora Kennedy is many plaques. She have a diploma from the Senator school and many trophies. She have many famous photografias and autografias. I know this because I have to clean her office every Tuesday and is very hard for to dust all this many things.

Senora Kennedy have very many busy jobs. She is edit the book for the children and the poetry. She also choose the winners for the many awards she is boss for. It is make her very tired, but every day Senora is go to work for the volunteer to raise the money for the awards and the charity. She have many parties at the home and the museum. She work very hard to shop for the new gowns and invitacions. She is also make the seating arrange and hide the tequila from Tio Teddy so he not get borracho. This she do for the poor.

Senora Kennedy she is the good mother. She is raise her two girls by herself, with the nannies, and every night read the girls the poetry book she edit. The nannies are go now because the girls they also are go off now to Senator school.

Senora Kennedy she is always know the issues. Every morning she always tell me, "Rosa, where is my New York Time paper?" Then she read it before she go to Fifth Avenue for the shopping. When she get back she tell me to put it in the recycle because to save the planet.

Senora Kennedy is the good boss for the people. She treat everybody on the staff very nice and no yell. We all get one day off in the week and she give the $200 bonus this Christmas. Except Maria because she broke the crystal bowl in the office when she dusting.

Senora Kennedy knows how to call the taxi. Senora Kennedy say to tell you she sometime call taxi by herself.

This is why you should no listen to the people who say she no be a good senator. Senora Kennedy is make the best senator because she is the pure full blood of the Kennedy, and no one drop of mestizo. When she is senator maybe she give you $200 bonus if you no break anything or be disloyal. Extra $100 if you write a good blog about her.

I have to fold laundry now. Also Tio Teddy is come to the party tonight so I have to lock the liquor cabinets.

[HowardRoark]

I think we should all give this another look:

Iowahawk Guest Opinion
by Rosa Ortiz
Chief of Housekeeping Staff
Estate of Caroline Kennedy

Buenos dias! I am Rosa. I twelve years work for Senora Caroline Kennedy and her family so I am write for you today to tell you why Senora Kennedy is make very very good senator for Nueva York. Senora Kennedy is very busy now with party menus so she tell me to write this when I am finish with floors and make the bed for guest wing. I am now finish so I write this.

Senora Kennedy is very very sad that television man say he no think she is make a good senator in Washington. This is not right for you to think this too because Senora Kennedy is make very good senator! Here is the reasons:

Senora Kennedy she is from famous senator family. Senora Kennedy father was El Presidente. She have tio who is senator. She have many cousin who also is senator, even all the ones with the drug problems. Why she is only one who no is senator? This is no fair to her. In my old country was the law that all family of el Presidente is also Senator or Minister until the revolucion.

Senora Kennedy is many plaques. She have a diploma from the Senator school and many trophies. She have many famous photografias and autografias. I know this because I have to clean her office every Tuesday and is very hard for to dust all this many things.

Senora Kennedy have very many busy jobs. She is edit the book for the children and the poetry. She also choose the winners for the many awards she is boss for. It is make her very tired, but every day Senora is go to work for the volunteer to raise the money for the awards and the charity. She have many parties at the home and the museum. She work very hard to shop for the new gowns and invitacions. She is also make the seating arrange and hide the tequila from Tio Teddy so he not get borracho. This she do for the poor.

Senora Kennedy she is the good mother. She is raise her two girls by herself, with the nannies, and every night read the girls the poetry book she edit. The nannies are go now because the girls they also are go off now to Senator school.

Senora Kennedy she is always know the issues. Every morning she always tell me, "Rosa, where is my New York Time paper?" Then she read it before she go to Fifth Avenue for the shopping. When she get back she tell me to put it in the recycle because to save the planet.

Senora Kennedy is the good boss for the people. She treat everybody on the staff very nice and no yell. We all get one day off in the week and she give the $200 bonus this Christmas. Except Maria because she broke the crystal bowl in the office when she dusting.

Senora Kennedy knows how to call the taxi. Senora Kennedy say to tell you she sometime call taxi by herself.

This is why you should no listen to the people who say she no be a good senator. Senora Kennedy is make the best senator because she is the pure full blood of the Kennedy, and no one drop of mestizo. When she is senator maybe she give you $200 bonus if you no break anything or be disloyal. Extra $100 if you write a good blog about her.

I have to fold laundry now. Also Tio Teddy is come to the party tonight so I have to lock the liquor cabinets.

Good job on attribution, you don't want to get him riled up.

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2008/12/the-pelosi-gtxi-ssrt-take-2.html

[Harlan Huckleby]

Caroline Kennedy draws criticism after latest tour
By MICHAEL GORMLEY

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — Caroline Kennedy's latest trip under the spotlight as a Senate hopeful didn't get much better reviews than her first. A New York Daily News columnist said "the wheels of the bandwagon are coming off." New York Post state editor Fred Dicker already put her on his list of 2008 losers. And The New York Times said "she seemed less like a candidate than an idea of one: eloquent but vague, largely undefined and seemingly determined to remain that way."

On Friday after weeks of silence, Kennedy agreed to sit down for interviews with The Associated Press and New York City cable TV's NY1. Over the weekend, she scheduled another round of interviews with other news organizations from the Times to the Buffalo News. The New York Daily News noted she frequently used the phrases "you know" and "um" during the interview, which was skewered in political blogs Monday.

"There has been some very rough comments," said Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist College poll. "I have been surprised," he said. "The welcome mat has not been out from everybody."

Kennedy spokesman Stefan Friedman didn't respond to requests for comment Monday.

It's been three weeks since Kennedy said she was interested in the seat expected to be vacated by Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, who is President-elect Barack Obama's choice for secretary of state.

Two weeks ago, she took a quick upstate tour to talk to mayors but barely spoke to the media. Critics, including some Democrats, compared her lack of governmental experience to Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's much-maligned credentials as a Republican candidate for vice president.

She drew criticism from news organizations that she ducked basic questions about issues and wasn't specific about why she wants to be, or should be, New York's junior senator.

In interviews over the weekend, she offered explanations for running that included the 9/11 attacks on Manhattan, where she has lived since the 1960s, Barack Obama's encouragement, and the commitment to public service by her father, President John F. Kennedy, and others in her family.

For some, that was reminiscent of a 1979 interview that helped undo her uncle's presidential campaign. Sen. Edward Kennedy didn't clearly explain why he wanted to be president much beyond citing family history when questioned by CBS newsman Roger Mudd.

Political science professor Robert McClure of Syracuse University's Maxwell School saw the connection. He was at a dinner party Sunday night with many liberal Democrats, but none supported Kennedy.

"It reminds me over and over again of that episode," he said.

"There wasn't active disgruntlement, either," he said. "But there was no one in that setting who did not feel she was unfairly trading on her name and had given insufficient reason for why she seeks the job."

Kennedy is one of several hopefuls seeking appointment by Gov. David Paterson to the seat for two years.

[The Shadow]

Chelsea Clinton for Secretary of Defense!

[sheepshead]

Poll: Caroline Kennedy Sinking Faster Than {insert Chappaquiddick joke here}

Ouch --- a 31 point swing to Andrew Cuomo since our dullard Princess started giving interviews:

According to Public Policy Polling, of Raleigh, N.C., 44 percent of New York State voters now say they have a less favorable opinion of Kennedy than they did before she started vying for the position. Thirty-three percent say it's made no difference, and 23 percent report now having a more favorable opinion of her.

...

"Her reputation has taken a pretty clear hit over the last month, and if Gov. David Paterson does end up appointing her, she's going to have some work to do to overcome this bad first impression she's made on New York voters," [pollster] Debnam said.