woodbuck27
07-03-2006, 07:00 PM
Here is what other Packer fans inform me about Charles Woodson:
Fans discuss Charles Woodson
** How about Charles Woodson? Are any other Packer fans disappointed pretty disappointed in him so far. This is a guy that has a ton to prove and still can't find the time to show up for anything not mandatory.
He's had a few down years and is entering a new defense with a new staff on a team that is looking to rebound from an aweful year. I guess his reputation preceeds him. A lot of talent, not a lot of ambition. Let's just hope the guy can play!
** Charles Woodson got a great contract from Green Bay; I think Green Bay should have done their homework on signing Woodson as I think the fans will be very disappointed in him once the season start.
** It's definitely starting to look that way. I don't know how you give a guy $10 million his first year and he doesn't show up for the basic installation of the new D. at least new D to him. I'm very worried that he got his last big payday and will somehow find a way to not contribute. maybe claim he has a nagging injury or something. very disappointed in Woodson. in fact, I think his obvious disregard for becoming part of the team will necessitate the Packers giving Harris more money to keep him happy.
** You really have to wonder what Woodson is thinking. What a way to thank a team for giving you a big payday when not many teams were standing in line to do so. And as you pointed out, it sends a bad message to Al Harris, who is a better CB than Woodson in my opinion. Harris is in there busting his hump while the Packers pad the bank account of a guy who apparently can't find the motivation to join him.
** I agree it certainly doesnt send the right message to a guy like Harris, who has shown over the past 2 years that he is more deserving than Woodson for that money.
I just can't fathom why he wouldnt want to be here. This does have the early signs of "bust" all over it.
** Preseason training hasn't even begun yet, so it's hard to judge, but, so far, yes I have to agree that Woodson is sending out the wrong signals. If it was just learning the defense, that would be one thing. Our scheme isn't that complicated, and Woodson is a veteran. What puzzles me is that, when he signed, it was with the idea that he would also contribute on offense and special teams as a spot receiver and as a return man. I don't think he would have learned much on defense (or on how to return kicks), but a working knowledge of the offense would make it more likely that he might be thrown out there on occasion.
** I hope if he is used in some kind of gadget play, that he is strictly the diversion. I can't imagine he has better hands, elusiveness or open field vision than any of the Packers WR's or RB's. Maybe this would be a good one -- run a double reverse with Woodson out wide and DD getting the final handoff. I love it when they handoff to DD. Otherwise, just run him on fly routes and throw underneath to DD or Jennings or (dare I say) Fergy. That'll teach him how much fun offense can be :)
** One of the major faults of CW is that he thinks he is the best corner ever and he is so talented that he does'nt have to train or watch gamefilm or work hard as his athleticism and ability will get him out of trouble.
In his first 4 years he had success with this strategy. However a few injuries and years later and being on a worse D proved that this is actually a recipe for disaster.
Major plusses of CW he will step up and stop the run, he is talented and very big for corners (more like safety size) but outwayed by his minuses in her-uge ego , lack of game planning and work ethic. Someone needs to really challange him to step up and lead the Packer secondary not sit back and watch it die like he did with the Raiders.
My main fault with the Packers front office is that they should have known all this when they signed him to a huge contract, which my perception was to keep Favre quiet more than to help the D.
note: The Favre haters will be all over that one,LOL. Brett Favre hoped that the Packers would sign T.O.
** I'm confident that the Pack front office knew all about CW's questionable work ethic and personality. I think they gave him the deal because they had money to burn and did want to appease Brett. I also think the Pack were smart in front-loading the deal because I don't see CW in a Pack uniform for more than a couple years. At least if they do cut him, the cap ramifications aren't horrible. Maybe Al Harris can light a fire under/stick a foot up his over-priced butt.
** Don't get me wrong I was a major fan of Woodson and only soured on him after his franchise years he is a great player to support when he and the team is playing well just don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen overnight.
** As a Michagan and Oakland fan,I have always been a big CW supporter. But even a loyal fan cant stick up for this guy. The only thing he does consistantly is crush your salary cap and be an anti-team player. He is one of the best corners in the game when he's healthy. But he doesnt stay healthy. Maybe Hawk will get in his grill and put some fire under him? I actually hope it works out, but i doubt it will....
** I'm definitely having my doubts too. More than anything, I just want to see him play. If he can skip all the voluntary practices and still be ready for opening day, then I guess it doesn't matter. That's a pretty ideal situation though, and probably won't work out that way.
If things keep going this way, I hope AJ does get in his grill. Then, when CW talks back, AJ can rip his head off and save the Pack $10 million in cap room. lol
** I don't see Woodson as a regular contributor on offense, but I think that one of the factors in his signing is the value he brings as a game-breaker. CW seems to think of himself as a Deion Sanders. He's not in that league, but he is a talented athlete who can change the course of a game with big plays. In college, he terrorized the opposition with his athletic ability on both sides of the ball and on special teams. I would anticipate that his role will often be as a decoy. When he checks into the game, the opposing defense will have to take notice and be prepared for a reverse or for a deep pass. The pressure that puts on the opposing defense will make it easier to complete passes to our other receivers.
** Harris could really help to bring out the best in Woodson. As I said, he thinks he's the second coming of Deion Sanders. That overinflated idea has hurt him. But his ego might be pushed. If he is going to be one of the best defenders in the league, he will have to be the best on his team. Harris has the ability to challenge CW to play at his peak.
** "I'm confident that the Pack front office knew all about CW's questionable work ethic and personality." I'm pretty sure they did
it's been known since he was in college (Michigan) that he never liked practicing.
woodbuck27: Ohhh it's just a case of - "he doesn't like to practise",mmmm. He needs someone to light a long wooden match to his ass, if that's all it is.
Fans discuss Charles Woodson
** How about Charles Woodson? Are any other Packer fans disappointed pretty disappointed in him so far. This is a guy that has a ton to prove and still can't find the time to show up for anything not mandatory.
He's had a few down years and is entering a new defense with a new staff on a team that is looking to rebound from an aweful year. I guess his reputation preceeds him. A lot of talent, not a lot of ambition. Let's just hope the guy can play!
** Charles Woodson got a great contract from Green Bay; I think Green Bay should have done their homework on signing Woodson as I think the fans will be very disappointed in him once the season start.
** It's definitely starting to look that way. I don't know how you give a guy $10 million his first year and he doesn't show up for the basic installation of the new D. at least new D to him. I'm very worried that he got his last big payday and will somehow find a way to not contribute. maybe claim he has a nagging injury or something. very disappointed in Woodson. in fact, I think his obvious disregard for becoming part of the team will necessitate the Packers giving Harris more money to keep him happy.
** You really have to wonder what Woodson is thinking. What a way to thank a team for giving you a big payday when not many teams were standing in line to do so. And as you pointed out, it sends a bad message to Al Harris, who is a better CB than Woodson in my opinion. Harris is in there busting his hump while the Packers pad the bank account of a guy who apparently can't find the motivation to join him.
** I agree it certainly doesnt send the right message to a guy like Harris, who has shown over the past 2 years that he is more deserving than Woodson for that money.
I just can't fathom why he wouldnt want to be here. This does have the early signs of "bust" all over it.
** Preseason training hasn't even begun yet, so it's hard to judge, but, so far, yes I have to agree that Woodson is sending out the wrong signals. If it was just learning the defense, that would be one thing. Our scheme isn't that complicated, and Woodson is a veteran. What puzzles me is that, when he signed, it was with the idea that he would also contribute on offense and special teams as a spot receiver and as a return man. I don't think he would have learned much on defense (or on how to return kicks), but a working knowledge of the offense would make it more likely that he might be thrown out there on occasion.
** I hope if he is used in some kind of gadget play, that he is strictly the diversion. I can't imagine he has better hands, elusiveness or open field vision than any of the Packers WR's or RB's. Maybe this would be a good one -- run a double reverse with Woodson out wide and DD getting the final handoff. I love it when they handoff to DD. Otherwise, just run him on fly routes and throw underneath to DD or Jennings or (dare I say) Fergy. That'll teach him how much fun offense can be :)
** One of the major faults of CW is that he thinks he is the best corner ever and he is so talented that he does'nt have to train or watch gamefilm or work hard as his athleticism and ability will get him out of trouble.
In his first 4 years he had success with this strategy. However a few injuries and years later and being on a worse D proved that this is actually a recipe for disaster.
Major plusses of CW he will step up and stop the run, he is talented and very big for corners (more like safety size) but outwayed by his minuses in her-uge ego , lack of game planning and work ethic. Someone needs to really challange him to step up and lead the Packer secondary not sit back and watch it die like he did with the Raiders.
My main fault with the Packers front office is that they should have known all this when they signed him to a huge contract, which my perception was to keep Favre quiet more than to help the D.
note: The Favre haters will be all over that one,LOL. Brett Favre hoped that the Packers would sign T.O.
** I'm confident that the Pack front office knew all about CW's questionable work ethic and personality. I think they gave him the deal because they had money to burn and did want to appease Brett. I also think the Pack were smart in front-loading the deal because I don't see CW in a Pack uniform for more than a couple years. At least if they do cut him, the cap ramifications aren't horrible. Maybe Al Harris can light a fire under/stick a foot up his over-priced butt.
** Don't get me wrong I was a major fan of Woodson and only soured on him after his franchise years he is a great player to support when he and the team is playing well just don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen overnight.
** As a Michagan and Oakland fan,I have always been a big CW supporter. But even a loyal fan cant stick up for this guy. The only thing he does consistantly is crush your salary cap and be an anti-team player. He is one of the best corners in the game when he's healthy. But he doesnt stay healthy. Maybe Hawk will get in his grill and put some fire under him? I actually hope it works out, but i doubt it will....
** I'm definitely having my doubts too. More than anything, I just want to see him play. If he can skip all the voluntary practices and still be ready for opening day, then I guess it doesn't matter. That's a pretty ideal situation though, and probably won't work out that way.
If things keep going this way, I hope AJ does get in his grill. Then, when CW talks back, AJ can rip his head off and save the Pack $10 million in cap room. lol
** I don't see Woodson as a regular contributor on offense, but I think that one of the factors in his signing is the value he brings as a game-breaker. CW seems to think of himself as a Deion Sanders. He's not in that league, but he is a talented athlete who can change the course of a game with big plays. In college, he terrorized the opposition with his athletic ability on both sides of the ball and on special teams. I would anticipate that his role will often be as a decoy. When he checks into the game, the opposing defense will have to take notice and be prepared for a reverse or for a deep pass. The pressure that puts on the opposing defense will make it easier to complete passes to our other receivers.
** Harris could really help to bring out the best in Woodson. As I said, he thinks he's the second coming of Deion Sanders. That overinflated idea has hurt him. But his ego might be pushed. If he is going to be one of the best defenders in the league, he will have to be the best on his team. Harris has the ability to challenge CW to play at his peak.
** "I'm confident that the Pack front office knew all about CW's questionable work ethic and personality." I'm pretty sure they did
it's been known since he was in college (Michigan) that he never liked practicing.
woodbuck27: Ohhh it's just a case of - "he doesn't like to practise",mmmm. He needs someone to light a long wooden match to his ass, if that's all it is.