Packers roll over $7.3 million to 2009.

[Patler]

Per the Milwaukee Journal:


In effect, the Packers rolled over $7.278 million onto their 2009 cap by signing guard Nevin McCaskill.....
....
The requirements for McCaskill to have earned the $7.278 million incentive were tied to special-teams exploits such as blocking six punts. He never got into a game..

The article goes on to state that the Packers have $105.157 million committed against the 2009 salary-cap. The cap is expected to be about $123 million. With the roll-over, the Packers should have about $25 million in cap space to work with in the off-season.

[pbmax]

Per the Milwaukee Journal:


In effect, the Packers rolled over $7.278 million onto their 2009 cap by signing guard Nevin McCaskill.....
....
The requirements for McCaskill to have earned the $7.278 million incentive were tied to special-teams exploits such as blocking six punts. He never got into a game..

The article goes on to state that the Packers have $105.157 million committed against the 2009 salary-cap. The cap is expected to be about $123 million. With the roll-over, the Packers should have about $25 million in cap space to work with in the off-season.
Here, at least, we are consistent. We should have a pool to see when the first poster finds a way to spend the entire uncommitted cap with three theoretical FA signings. I pick 4:23 PM, March 1st.

And yes, Bretsky, in Green Bay, FA signings are mostly theoretical! :lol:

[RashanGary]

I think we should lock up Jennings, Collins, Kampman, Jolly, Pickett, Spitz, Colledge and Tramon. I'm sure that will eat up a chunk.

[Lurker64]

If McCaskill had actually gotten into a game, maybe he would have blocked a punt. If we had blocked six punts in close games this year, that probably would have been good for 4 more wins. We win 4 more games and we likely win the division.

Damnit TT....

[Cleft Crusty]

Per the Milwaukee Journal:


In effect, the Packers rolled over $7.278 million onto their 2009 cap by signing guard Nevin McCaskill.....
....
The requirements for McCaskill to have earned the $7.278 million incentive were tied to special-teams exploits such as blocking six punts. He never got into a game..

The article goes on to state that the Packers have $105.157 million committed against the 2009 salary-cap. The cap is expected to be about $123 million. With the roll-over, the Packers should have about $25 million in cap space to work with in the off-season.


This looks like simple chicanery to me. Like a defensive back, first you learn the rules and then you learn how to break them (or bypass them) and get away with it . Why have rules when you can just pull stunts like this?

[KYPack]

Per the Milwaukee Journal:


In effect, the Packers rolled over $7.278 million onto their 2009 cap by signing guard Nevin McCaskill.....
....
The requirements for McCaskill to have earned the $7.278 million incentive were tied to special-teams exploits such as blocking six punts. He never got into a game..

The article goes on to state that the Packers have $105.157 million committed against the 2009 salary-cap. The cap is expected to be about $123 million. With the roll-over, the Packers should have about $25 million in cap space to work with in the off-season.

A guy like Nevin McCaskill must be a little burned that the Pack moved all this money into next years cap, while he get the pittance that is his salary.

It's the business, but you know it has to fire some guys up.

[pbmax]

Per the Milwaukee Journal:


In effect, the Packers rolled over $7.278 million onto their 2009 cap by signing guard Nevin McCaskill.....
....
The requirements for McCaskill to have earned the $7.278 million incentive were tied to special-teams exploits such as blocking six punts. He never got into a game..

The article goes on to state that the Packers have $105.157 million committed against the 2009 salary-cap. The cap is expected to be about $123 million. With the roll-over, the Packers should have about $25 million in cap space to work with in the off-season.


This looks like simple chicanery to me. Like a defensive back, first you learn the rules and then you learn how to break them (or bypass them) and get away with it . Why have rules when you can just pull stunts like this?
So cap guys can look like geniuses, get promoted to actual football positions and make it easier on everyone else. And yes, I am talking about the Jets.

[pbmax]

It's the business, but you know it has to fire some guys up.
You don't think his agent explained that he was just doing the team a favor? Or is it just the large dollars that were never spent?

[texaspackerbacker]

Nobody blocks six punts in a season--not the greatest special teamers in history. Why would such a ridiculous incentive be put in a contract? Was the plan all along to not have it fulfilled so the money rolled over? Or did they merely stumble into this? If it was intentional, maybe there are a couple other such items to surface.

[LL2]

I think we should lock up Jennings, Collins, Kampman, Jolly, Pickett, Spitz, Colledge and Tramon. I'm sure that will eat up a chunk.

We should definitely lock up hald those guys with Jennings, Collins, and Kampman given the highest priority. Tramon is a rising solid player that should get a decent 3-4 year deal that is modest. As far as Spitz and Colledge...I'm not sure what they should get but they are not star OL.

[sharpe1027]

Nobody blocks six punts in a season--not the greatest special teamers in history. Why would such a ridiculous incentive be put in a contract? Was the plan all along to not have it fulfilled so the money rolled over? Or did they merely stumble into this? If it was intentional, maybe there are a couple other such items to surface.

They've been doing similar incentives every year for some time now. That is the roll-over money you see each year. Usually they rework some guys contract and put in an incentive that is not likely to be reached, often near the end of the season when they can be sure of it. I assume they also give the player a little more money than before they had reworked it.

[retailguy]

I think this is the precursor towards "saving" cap room for the draft a few years in the future when Ted realizes his dream to own the entire 7th round.

We'll need a lot of cap $'s to allocate the $250k bonuses to the 32 draft picks. So, therefore we have to "save up".

That's the year that Green Bay enters a second team in the Arena league. They'll play in the Hutson center. :wink:

[SMACKTALKIE]

Nobody blocks six punts in a season--not the greatest special teamers in history. Why would such a ridiculous incentive be put in a contract? Was the plan all along to not have it fulfilled so the money rolled over? Or did they merely stumble into this? If it was intentional, maybe there are a couple other such items to surface.

Of course it was intentional, this is exactly how manipulation of the cap works. Why do you think the Vikings have close to 20 million to work with again this year? Unearned incentives that carry over year to year along with avoiding "dead money" or signing bonus money taken off the cap for a player that has left the orginazation or was released before their contract expires, are the ways to avoid salary cap hell and maintain the option of being active in free agency.

[DonHutson]

A guy like Nevin McCaskill must be a little burned that the Pack moved all this money into next years cap, while he get the pittance that is his salary.


But he'll have a good story to tell while sitting at the bar. "Did I ever tell you about the time I was THIS close to making $7M from the Green Bay Packers... "

[sharpe1027]

It's the business, but you know it has to fire some guys up.
You don't think his agent explained that he was just doing the team a favor? Or is it just the large dollars that were never spent?

A guy like Haskill gets paid the minimum whether he agrees to help them out or not. At least he was pretty much guaranteed not to get cut this way. Maybe they even gave him an extra $100,000 just to seal the deal. Both sides win. :wink:

[MJZiggy]

Per the Milwaukee Journal:


In effect, the Packers rolled over $7.278 million onto their 2009 cap by signing guard Nevin McCaskill.....
....
The requirements for McCaskill to have earned the $7.278 million incentive were tied to special-teams exploits such as blocking six punts. He never got into a game..

The article goes on to state that the Packers have $105.157 million committed against the 2009 salary-cap. The cap is expected to be about $123 million. With the roll-over, the Packers should have about $25 million in cap space to work with in the off-season.

A guy like Nevin McCaskill must be a little burned that the Pack moved all this money into next years cap, while he get the pittance that is his salary.

It's the business, but you know it has to fire some guys up.

I'll trade salaries with him and they can filter all the money they want onto next years cap and I won't whine about it a bit.

[Fritz]

I think my life would be complete if some guy like Nevill Caskill somehow by some fluke (a million injuries, maybe) made the game day active roster, got in, and blocked a punt. Then, next game, again. Then the dude becomes a force, gets five, and the last game of the season is for the division title against a team with a notoriously weak special teams offensive line. So the coach has to put ol' Neville in, he blocks a punt, gets seven million, and promptly retires.

My fantasy.

[channtheman]

If McCaskill had actually gotten into a game, maybe he would have blocked a punt. If we had blocked six punts in close games this year, that probably would have been good for 4 more wins. We win 4 more games and we likely win the division.

Damnit TT....

I was thinking the same thing.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Looks like another year without a big free agent splash. Look for TT to use that money to lock up some young guys and have a good draft.

[CaliforniaCheez]

I was a bit shocked that they wasted $116,284 of their cap space.

Then I calculated that it was less than one 1000th of one percent of the cap and I didn't feel so bad.

[MJZiggy]

If McCaskill had actually gotten into a game, maybe he would have blocked a punt. If we had blocked six punts in close games this year, that probably would have been good for 4 more wins. We win 4 more games and we likely win the division.

Damnit TT....

I was thinking the same thing.

If he did it, he'd be worth the $7 million and the fat new contract it would get him...

[KYPack]

Tex, get hip, willya?

You've been absolutely stupefyin' lately.

They've been using NLTBE bonuses for years now to move cap money.

I know that Nevill McCaskill and his agent knew what was up with this NLTBE bonus. I was just thinking in the mode of Fritz's post. A bubble guy like McCaskill has to be thinking, "Damn 7 million, what could I do, get in a few games and go crazy, I could make all that bread!" Regardless of how impossible, it's human nature to dream the impossible dream.

Yeah, I'd love to see a lunch pail guy like that hit the lottery instead of seeing 5-10 "Corey Williams" guys get paid every year.

[Guiness]

I understand how the LTBE bonus thing works...what I don't understand is how blocking 6 punts ever got considered to be 'likely' :?:

[Lurker64]

A lot of teams have a bunch of NLTBE bonuses used to push forward cap money. I remember a couple of years ago the Vikings gave Pat Williams a NLTBE bonus for 4 or more punt return touchdowns. I was hoping they'd put him back there, that'd be fun to watch.

[MJZiggy]

Hell, all he'd have to do is catch the ball and walk. Really, who's gonna take his fat ass to the turf?

[Rastak]

Hell, all he'd have to do is catch the ball and walk. Really, who's gonna take his fat ass to the turf?


Pickett?

[mngolf19]

I'll trade salaries with him and they can filter all the money they want onto next years cap and I won't whine about it a bit.

Yeah, but can you block six punts? :wink:

[MJZiggy]

I might get a hand on one or two!! Even if I didn't, I'd still be ok with the NFL base salary....

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I saw this on another forum:


I have been saying 43M, but I completely went through my list and checked all my work again, and got a new #. 36.5M. In the general forum a # of 36M was given. The JS has calculated it to be roughly 25M.

Personally I feel my number is the strongest, Clayton and Packerchatters tend to put out #'s that crosscheck with mine well. The JS just gives a rollup.

Player.............2009 Cap Charge
Aaron Rodgers.............9072500
Chad Clifton.................8200833
Aaron Kampman...........6106720
Charles Woodson..........5694220
Donald Driver...............5606000
AJ Hawk.......................5395000
Al Harris.......................5000000
Ryan Grant...................4750000
Nick Barnett..................4545000
Ryan Pickett.................3500000
Brady Poppinga.............2850000
Donald Lee...................2550000
Brandon Chillar.............2025000
Scott Wells....................1900000
Justin Harrell.................1706625
Atari Bigby....................1470000 (x)
Jason Hunter...................970000 (x)
John Kuhn.......................970000 (x)
Ruvell Martin...................970000 (x)
Nick Collins.....................915000
Jordy Nelson...................893750
Daryn Colledge...............855000
Greg Jennings.................840000
Brian Brohm...................772500
Jason Spitz.....................715560
Brandon Jackson.............650000
James Jones...................645562
Will Blackmon.................638375
Aaron Rouse...................622375
Patrick Lee.....................595000
Charlie Peprah................569500
Alan Barbre....................569000
Tony Moll........................566250
Johnny Jolly....................553650
Jermichael Finley.............548250
Jeremy Thompson...........510300
Corey Hall......................483613
Desmond Bishop.............483550
Mason Crosby.................483488
Josh Sitton .....................481000
Tramon Williams.............460000 (x)
Tory Humphrey...............460000 (x)
Breno Giacomini ..............429791
Matt Flynn.......................401044
Brett Goode....................385000 (x)
Danny Lansanah..............385000 (x)
Deshawn Wynn................385000 (x)
Jeremy Kapinos...............295000 (x)
scrub..............................295000
scrub..............................295000
scrub..............................295000
scrub..............................295000
scrub..............................295000

Brett Favre......................600000
Abdul Hodge....................202000
Kabeer Gbaja-Biamilla....1571429

Total dedicated to cap: $93,722,885
2009 league cap: $123,000,000
Carry forward amount: $7,278,000
2009 Packers cap: $130,278,000

2009 Cap Space: $36,555,115

Dedicated cash outlay: $75,204,815
This is how much money the Packers contractually must pay in 2009 currently. Much of the money owed to the cap has already been paid. A sign the team has an enormous amount of available cash to spend on new contracts. (Cap + operating profit is roughly 140M (the amount of money the team can spend on contracts in real money before using reserve funds)). My guess, 65M more dollars can be given to players ("Guaranteed money") in the 2009 season.

So we have 36.5M of cap space and 65M of real money to go shopping with.

Players marked with (x) are assumed tenders. RFA ERFA, minimum possible assumed for all but Bigby (Tramon is an ERFA and cannot be stolen).

The roster consists of 53. Scrubs making minimum wage were added to fill the holes.

Those holes come from Tausher, Montgomery, Cole, Bush, Pettway none of whom have contracts. Bush and Pettway are RFA eligible.....but I doubt we offer them.

If you need any cost to cut #'s (dead cap hits for a player), just ask.