Divisional round live game thread

[Rastak]

In the unlikely event there are people here watching the game and on this site....


I like the Titans in this one. This should be a barn burner though.

[GrnBay007]

In the unlikely event there are people here watching the game and on this site....




I don't see your divisional round picks in the other thread. :P

[Rastak]

In the unlikely event there are people here watching the game and on this site....




I don't see your divisional round picks in the other thread. :P


I'll add them.

[Lurker64]

I wonder how long until the Ravens get a first down from offense.

[MJZiggy]

I need to go down and watch this one...

[Rastak]

I wonder how long until the Ravens get a first down from offense.


These guys can both play some defense.

[KYPack]

2 best Defenses in the game.

I'm goin to the Hitching Post for the best ribs east of KC.

Keep me posted kids, I got those Titans.

[Lurker64]

So far it looks like advantage Tennessee, what with the veteran QB, the really fast RB, and the slippery field.

[GrnBay007]

I'm goin to the Hitching Post for the best ribs east of KC.


Yumm! :D

Chicken here :(

[MJZiggy]

I haven't thought about it yet. Ham I guess...

[GrnBay007]

Raven TD......GAME ON! :D

[MJZiggy]

Yes!! Touchdown!!

[GrnBay007]

Beautiful pass!

[Rastak]

Wow, that was a nice play by Flacco. Stepped up with the rush on and laid it in there really nicely.

[Lurker64]

Flacco's got a hell of an arm, if he can perfect his technique and recognition he can be one of the best QBs in the league for years.

[MJZiggy]

Looks like Ravens have themselves a QB.

[Lurker64]

Ravens are having a lot of problem with Chris Johnson on the slippery field.

[Rastak]

Man, two fantastic rookies here. Chris Johnson is good. When the Vikes played them earlier in the year I was really impressed with how quick he is.

[GrnBay007]

ESPN boys split on picks - 4 on Ravens and 4 on Titans.

[Lurker64]

Some nice punting in this game. It's sad when I'm envious of other teams' punters, isn't it?

[packer4life]

man, these two teams are EXACTLY the packers' polar opposites. They have strong front lines, powerful grind-em-out offenses, great special teams...the list goes on and on. I'm fine with our finesse offense, since it does generate points, however you gotta be able to consistently slam in your 1st and goal opportunities. I'd love to see the stats on the % of TDs with a 1st down inside the 10. I'd put good money on the packers being a lot lower on the list then the ravens or titans.

[Rastak]

Suggs is hurt.

Side note, I went to high school with his uncle. Didn't know him since the school was really racially divided and he was a jock and I was in the burn out crowd. His uncle Rickey was a really good hoops player. Big SOB too.

[Lurker64]

It really feels like Tennessee ought to have a sizeable lead at this point. Credit to Baltimore for hanging around, and I think this gives them the advantage.

[Rastak]

It really feels like Tennessee ought to have a sizeable lead at this point. Credit to Baltimore for hanging around, and I think this gives them the advantage.


Helluva game. I expected this to be a battle.

[Lurker64]

This is really an outstanding football game. Great challenge by the Ravens, to set up good field position on a long FG.

[Rastak]

This is really an outstanding football game. Great challenge by the Ravens, to set up good field position on a long FG.


Yea, real time it looked close but slo-mo it was clear he was out.


I hope the late game is a good. I suspect it will be, but if Boldin is out that kinda stings Arizona.

[Lurker64]

I'm thinking the late game may well be the weakest of the four this weekend, but I was guilty of underestimating Arizona last week as well.

[channtheman]

Close game tied at 7 right now. I love watching these defenses play, and I hope maybe the Pack can get something like that one of these days. Leonhard, former Badger, had a nice tackle for a loss earlier and a fumble recovery so far.

[Rastak]

Close game tied at 7 right now. I love watching these defenses play, and I hope maybe the Pack can get something like that one of these days. Leonhard, former Badger, had a nice tackle for a loss earlier and a fumble recovery so far.

Hey channtheman, you a secondary Cards fan?

[Lurker64]

Nice return by the former Badger.

[Rastak]

Wow, that was a lucky f'ing play.



edit: Guys are going down left and right. Steelers gotta be happy.

[Lurker64]

edit: Guys are going down left and right. Steelers gotta be happy.

Or the Chargers...

[Lurker64]

Wow, that was a lucky f'ing play.

The funny part was that it looked like Finnegan took himself out of the play by trying to interfere with the receiver. He grapped the WR's shoulder, and pulled, and his hands slipped off and he fell backwards.

[Rastak]

Wow, that was a lucky f'ing play.

The funny part was that it looked like Finnegan took himself out of the play by trying to interfere with the receiver. He grapped the WR's shoulder, and pulled, and his hands slipped off and he fell backwards.


Yea, I caught that. Not good.

[Rastak]

They gotta get this TD....



edit: Holy shit, a turnover in the red zone.....great way to lose.


Nice hit though.

[pack4to84]

I really like the blitz package the Raven use.

[pack4to84]

another turnover in the red zone for the titans

[Lurker64]

Wow... Tennessee just can't protect the ball in the red zone today. If they lose, it will be easy to figure out why.

[Lurker64]

On third down, it looked kind of like Flacco pulled an Orlovsky. I didn't get to see a replay though.

[Rastak]

On third down, it looked kind of like Flacco pulled an Orlovsky. I didn't get to see a replay though.


I thought the EXACT same thing.

I think they might have gotten a finger on the ball too (on the punt) , it sounded like a partial block.

[Rastak]

Titans are trying like hell. Too bad Johnson is out of the game. He's fun to watch.


edit: Titans tie er up. Let's get ready for an alcoa fantastic finish.

The young folks won't get that reference.

[Rastak]

Hey Lurker, Florio at PFT.com is asking the same question you did. No youtube yet.

[Rastak]

BULLSHIT, the playclock was expired.

[red]

wow

huge fuck up there

[red]

refs could very well cost the titans this game

[Rastak]

refs could very well cost the titans this game


Replay made it look closer but that was an expired playclock.

[Rastak]

refs could very well cost the titans this game


What was the down and distance when that happened? Does anyone know?

[Lurker64]

That sure wasn't good by much.

[red]

refs could very well cost the titans this game


What was the down and distance when that happened? Does anyone know?

i thought it was third and long, but i very well could be wrong

[Lurker64]

i thought it was third and long, but i very well could be wrong

Yeah, I believe it was the play with the long third down pass.

[Rastak]

refs could very well cost the titans this game


What was the down and distance when that happened? Does anyone know?

i thought it was third and long, but i very well could be wrong


Looking at the nfl.com play by play I think it was 3rd down.

[red]

it was third and 2

[Rastak]

it was third and 2


Which means who knows what might have happened.



edit: Nice game by the Ravens. I think Art Model is a worthless piece of shit and I know he's not the owner anymore so I hate the Ravens a little less because of that.


Nice win by the Ravens.

[red]

tennesse got hosed

[Lurker64]

Really entertaining game though.

[Rastak]

tennesse got hosed


Hard to say. They make the call who knows what the next play is.

[Rastak]

Really entertaining game though.


No doubt about that.

[Rastak]

If the Flacco safety thing is true, then I gotta question this. The play clock expiring is an issue but who knows what would have happened.

[pack4to84]

best team 1 and done.

[Lurker64]

I think as tempting as it is to say that the referees cost the Titans the game, it bears mentioning that a football game is a sum total of many events, and I think that Tennessee turning the ball over three times in the red zone probably had a lot more to do with the outcome than a phantom call and a phantom non-call.

[Rastak]

I think as tempting as it is to say that the referees cost the Titans the game, it bears mentioning that a football game is a sum total of many events, and I think that Tennessee turning the ball over three times in the red zone probably had a lot more to do with the outcome than a phantom call and a phantom non-call.


Completely agree. Boomer indicated that the safety non call was correct, so it seems to me, Chris Johnson going down and the Ravens playing inspired football is the reason for this win.

[Rastak]

Boldin is out.

[MJZiggy]

I think as tempting as it is to say that the referees cost the Titans the game, it bears mentioning that a football game is a sum total of many events, and I think that Tennessee turning the ball over three times in the red zone probably had a lot more to do with the outcome than a phantom call and a phantom non-call.

I agree. Tennessee hangs onto the ball on the two yard line and we're not having a discussion.

That said, woo-hoo!! Last time the Ravens won the SB, it was a fun time to be around here. (Redskin fans become Raven fans when the Ravens are winning.)

[red]

If the Flacco safety thing is true, then I gotta question this. The play clock expiring is an issue but who knows what would have happened.

well, one thing we do know is that they wouldn't have gotten a first down on that play, they wouldn't have gained 23 yards on that play, and they would have been pushed back 5 yards with like 2:40 left in the game

it would have been third and 7 on the ravens 27 instead of 1st and 10 from the titans 45

it wasn't so much that they got the first down, its that the play resulted in a huge gain. and it shouldn't have happened

there was a good second and a half at least between the clock hiting zero and the ball being snapped. no excuse not to make that call

[Rastak]

If the Flacco safety thing is true, then I gotta question this. The play clock expiring is an issue but who knows what would have happened.

well, one thing we do know is that they wouldn't have gotten a first down, they wouldn't have gained 23 yards on that play, and they would have been pushed back 5 yards with like 2:40 left in the game

it would have been third and 7 on the ravens 27 instead of 1st and 10 from the titans 45

it wasn't so much that they got the first down, its that the play resulted in a huge gain. and it shouldn't have happened

there was a good second and a half at least between the clock hiting zero and the ball being snapped. no excuse not to make that call


I saw the replay just now on the non safety and that was a great non call. On the play clock play it was a bad call but how do you know they wouldn't throw a TD on 3rd and 7? Nobody knows what the effect was and Lurker is right, there are LOTS of play akll game long that could have changed the course.

[Fosco33]

Another big game for Jim Leonhard - a forced fumble in deep territory to prevent the Titans go ahead score. He also recovered a fumble earlier in the game. Go big RED alum.

[Lurker64]

Another big game for Jim Leonhard - a forced fumble in deep territory to prevent the Titans go ahead score. He also recovered a fumble earlier in the game. Go big RED alum.

He also had a very nice punt return to put the Ravens close to field goal range when it was 7-7.

[red]

If the Flacco safety thing is true, then I gotta question this. The play clock expiring is an issue but who knows what would have happened.

well, one thing we do know is that they wouldn't have gotten a first down, they wouldn't have gained 23 yards on that play, and they would have been pushed back 5 yards with like 2:40 left in the game

it would have been third and 7 on the ravens 27 instead of 1st and 10 from the titans 45

it wasn't so much that they got the first down, its that the play resulted in a huge gain. and it shouldn't have happened

there was a good second and a half at least between the clock hiting zero and the ball being snapped. no excuse not to make that call


I saw the replay just now on the non safety and that was a great non call. On the play clock play it was a bad call but how do you know they wouldn't throw a TD on 3rd and 7? Nobody knows what the effect was and Lurker is right, there are LOTS of play akll game long that could have changed the course.

yeah, but we'll never know what might have happened. maybe flacco throws an int on third and long?

the titans made a lot of mistakes that helped cost them the game, but the refs also helped them lose the game

and thats taking the game out of the players hands IMO, and that should never happen.

and its not like they just barely missed it. that was on zero for a long time. and they have giant play clocks on both ends of the endxones. there is no excuse for missing that

[pack4to84]

If Fisher thought that play clock ran out he could have challenged it. From what I remember the rule on that is. The ref has to look down at the official play clock on his wrist, if then looks up if it is not snapped he throws the flag. So how fast could you look down at your wrist and back up probably 1 second tops and that is all that ran off.

[Rastak]

I agree on the no excuse thing Red. Like I said, who knows.

[Lurker64]

I'm personally going to view the non-call on the delay of game as karmic rebalancing for the non-call on the forward lateral during the "Music city miracle."

Now Baltimore and Buffalo need to play in the playoffs so that the scales can be fully balanced.

[red]

I'm personally going to view the non-call on the delay of game as karmic rebalancing for the non-call on the forward lateral during the "Music city miracle."

Now Baltimore and Buffalo need to play in the playoffs so that the scales can be fully balanced.

great point

[Rastak]

Deangelo Williams certainly has elevated his game this year.

[Lurker64]

I get the feeling that this game isn't going to be close. Hopefully the birds will surprise me.

[Rastak]

I get the feeling that this game isn't going to be close. Hopefully the birds will surprise me.


I hope so too.


Fun fact: The Vikings beat both of these teams!

[Rastak]

Fitz does it again. This dude is unreal.

[Lurker64]

Hell of a catch by Fitz.

[Rastak]

Holy shit, the pass rush pays off.

[Lurker64]

That's exactly the sort of break the Cards need.

[Rastak]

Gotta admit, the Cards are a fun team to root for. If Bidwell dropped dead right now I probably would.

[packinpatland]

Gotta admit, the Cards are a fun team to root for. If Bidwell dropped dead right now I probably would.

Alot of folks in AZ feel the same way.

[Rastak]

That was a good call.

[Lurker64]

Rolle just mugged Steve Smith. It's surprising to me that they were making such a big deal about how great a WR Smith is on that play. Anybody an get mugged.

ALSO: Wow, that INT was totally uncharacteristic for Delhomme.

[Rastak]

DRC is a cool guy. I heard him interviewed on NFL radio and he's solid.


Nice pick.

[Lurker64]

All the breaks are going the way of Arizona today.

Also, for the record... Arizona was terrible in away games on the east coast this year. Does anybody know if any of them were night games? I know the early game on the east coast is a killer for all Pacific teams, so part of that can be forgiven. But I'm wondering if any of those losses came at night, since Arizona is really on tonight.

[packinpatland]

All the breaks are going the way of Arizona today.

Also, for the record... Arizona was terrible in away games on the east coast this year. Does anybody know if any of them were night games? I know the early game on the east coast is a killer for all Pacific teams, so part of that can be forgiven. But I'm wondering if any of those losses came at night, since Arizona is really on tonight.

I think they were all 1:00 (10am AZ time) games except for the last 2.....I think.

[Pacopete4]

Arizona is playing like they have a chip on their shoulder...


Carolina is playing like they listened to everyone telling them they had this one in the baaaaaaag! :P

[Lurker64]

I really thought the Arizona player was drawn off there.

[Lurker64]

Is Carolina just playing bad defense, or can they just not cover Fitzgerald? He's the most talented WR in the stadium... you'd think they'd not leave him wide open so much.

[Rastak]

Is Carolina just playing bad defense, or can they just not cover Fitzgerald? He's the most talented WR in the stadium... you'd think they'd not leave him wide open so much.


I would think bad defense. The fact he makes unreal catches aren't their fault. The fact he's wide open is.

[Rastak]

Good call

[Lurker64]

Wow.... Carolina's just giving it away tonight.

[Freak Out]

Jake is killing them right now.

[Rastak]

Wow.... Carolina's just giving it away tonight.


Combo....Cards taking it, Panthers letting it float away.

[pack4to84]

remind me of Favre vs Rams. except favre threw 3 pick six.

[Lurker64]

Think that, if the Cardinals lead continues to mount, and the Cats start to press, that Delhomme will get close to the 7 INTs a certain QB threw against the Rams a few years back?

I think that's the record for most in a single playoff game, but I could be wrong.

[red]

wow

i just turned this game on

i wasn't expecting this

[pack4to84]

blow out in the making.

[Rastak]

DRC kicks ass.

[red]

DRC kicks ass.

oh i wanted him so bad

he'll be a great one i think

[Rastak]

DRC kicks ass.

oh i wanted him so bad

he'll be a great one i think


I can see why.

[Lurker64]

I may have been right with my prediction that this game wouldn't be close, but I think I had picked the wrong team.

[Rastak]

I may have been right with my prediction that this game wouldn't be close, but I think I had picked the wrong team.


I'm pretty surprised too.

[Lurker64]

It's sort of funny seeing the Cardinals run the ball effectively. I'm not sure how Carolina on defense can adapt here.

[pack4to84]

that look like a fumble by Kurt

[pbmax]

Story of the late game is no pass rush. If you have Fitzgerald double covered and then let Waner have six seconds to throw, Fitz will be open, somewhere.

That and like the Indy run D two years ago, somehow the Cardinals have discovered a run game in the last two weeks.

[Rastak]

Flat out ass kicking thus far.

[Lurker64]

That INT opens the door for Carolina. The Carolina offense actually has to accomplish something though.

[Lurker64]

And the door is now closed.

[pack4to84]

:wow: when things go bad they go real bad. Fluke pick for ARZ.

[Brando19]

That was a funny and entertaining argument between the announcers about whether the Arizona D-line or the Carolina O-line were offsides.

[Brando19]

:wow: when things go bad they go real bad. Fluke pick for ARZ.

Yes it was...and it's sad picks like that are going to run Jake out of town.

[Lurker64]

:wow: when things go bad they go real bad. Fluke pick for ARZ.

Not so much a fluke, but a really questionable play by Smith. It's never a good idea for the WR to tip the ball up into the air when he's surrounded by defenders. Nothing good will happen, particularly on 2nd down.

[Lurker64]

I may be the only person still watching that game, but that was a terrible play by either the Delhomme or Mushin on 4th down, possibly both.

[pbmax]

Saints hired Bill Johnson, the Falcon's 3-4 D line coach that some thouhtwas the herald of Mike Nolan's arrival.

[denverYooper]

Saints hired Bill Johnson, the Falcon's 3-4 D line coach that some thouhtwas the herald of Mike Nolan's arrival.

Yeah... just saw that.
http://blog.nola.com/saintsbeat/2009/01/bill_johnson_to_be_hired_as_de.html

[denverYooper]

Bad, bad day for Delhomme.

[pack4to84]

another pick this time in the end zone. 4 with 3 to match Favre

[packinpatland]

another pick this time in the end zone. 4 with 3 to match Favre

Think Jake will get ripped as bad as Favre has?

[Lurker64]

Possibly harder. When Favre threw his 7 picks, we still loved the guy and figured "sometimes you have a bad game". I don't know if the Carolina faithful have quite as much affection for their QB.

The thing I'm curious about is how much do the (presumable) losing teams here panic after the upsets today? I know Tennessee has a couple of big decisions about "What do we do at the QB position?" and "What do we do about Haynesworth?". I'm not sure how much Carolina is going to panic though.

[Lurker64]

TWO TO GO!

[denverYooper]

He might get there yet.

[Lurker64]

He's also got a fumble, so that's 6 Turnovers you can charge against him. Did a certain quarterback fumble at all in that unfortunate Rams game?

[Cleft Crusty]

Possibly harder. When Favre threw his 7 picks, we still loved the guy and figured "sometimes you have a bad game". I don't know if the Carolina faithful have quite as much affection for their QB..

I shouldn't even be close. Favre actually played quite well in the loss at the Rams. 3 of his interceptions came after the Packers were down by three scores and he was just winging it to try to score. Of the first three, one was a little in front of Freeman, a second was a bad throw and another was the ill-fated throw to Schroeder that was picked for a TD. Who was responsible on that play is not certain - either Schroeder incorrectly changed a slant to a fly, or Favre didn't read the change in coverage properly. Favre still had some great plays avoiding the rush and had zero help in the run game - plus others turned the ball over as well, before the final three INTs. People should re-watch that game rationally to evaluate it properly. Delhomme tonight looked as bad as the worst QB I've ever seen.

[Lurker64]

I still don't understand what just happened.

[packinpatland]

Possibly harder. When Favre threw his 7 picks, we still loved the guy and figured "sometimes you have a bad game". I don't know if the Carolina faithful have quite as much affection for their QB..

I shouldn't even be close. Favre actually played quite well in the loss at the Rams. 3 of his interceptions came after the Packers were down by three scores and he was just winging it to try to score. Of the first three, one was a little in front of Freeman, a second was a bad throw and another was the ill-fated throw to Schroeder that was picked for a TD. Who was responsible on that play is not certain - either Schroeder incorrectly changed a slant to a fly, or Favre didn't read the change in coverage properly. Favre still had some great plays avoiding the rush and had zero help in the run game - plus others turned the ball over as well, before the final three INTs. People should re-watch that game rationally to evaluate it properly. Delhomme tonight looked as bad as the worst QB I've ever seen.

I happen to have that game on tape.......think I will re-watch it. What year was that again?...........seems like yesterday.(all senior citizens say that)

[Cleft Crusty]

Possibly harder. When Favre threw his 7 picks, we still loved the guy and figured "sometimes you have a bad game". I don't know if the Carolina faithful have quite as much affection for their QB..

I shouldn't even be close. Favre actually played quite well in the loss at the Rams. 3 of his interceptions came after the Packers were down by three scores and he was just winging it to try to score. Of the first three, one was a little in front of Freeman, a second was a bad throw and another was the ill-fated throw to Schroeder that was picked for a TD. Who was responsible on that play is not certain - either Schroeder incorrectly changed a slant to a fly, or Favre didn't read the change in coverage properly. Favre still had some great plays avoiding the rush and had zero help in the run game - plus others turned the ball over as well, before the final three INTs. People should re-watch that game rationally to evaluate it properly. Delhomme tonight looked as bad as the worst QB I've ever seen.

I happen to have that game on tape.......think I will re-watch it. What year was that again?...........seems like yesterday.(all senior citizens say that)

Divisional game following the 2001 season - January of 2002. The Packers played pretty poorly, but they did have some flashes. I think if they had played their best ball it would have been a very exciting shootout.

[packinpatland]

Thanks Crusty...........did you catch that I said 'on tape'?...........I do believe I'm the sole user of a VCR :lol:

[Cleft Crusty]

Thanks Crusty...........did you catch that I said 'on tape'?...........I do believe I'm the sole user of a VCR :lol:

Clefty has everything on tape. Someone asked me if I had digital and I said sure - I have 5 digits on each hand.

[channtheman]

Well to answer your question Ras, yes I would say I'm a secondary Cardinals fan. Even when we still lived in Green Bay, I had fun rooting for the Cardinals. It's cool, we just moved to Arizona this summer and bought season tickets and here the Cardinals are in the NFC Championship game. One thing I have to say is GO EAGLES! I really would like to go the championship game. That would be so much fun.

[KYPack]

Thanks Crusty...........did you catch that I said 'on tape'?...........I do believe I'm the sole user of a VCR :lol:

Clefty has everything on tape. Someone asked me if I had digital and I said sure - I have 5 digits on each hand.

8 Track, eh Cleft?

[jmbarnes101]

I get the feeling that this game isn't going to be close. Hopefully the birds will surprise me.

Nice call Lurker.

[GrnBay007]

Thanks Crusty...........did you catch that I said 'on tape'?...........I do believe I'm the sole user of a VCR :lol:

No you're not. :?

:D

[mission]

VCRs? Damn, I haven't even had a disk drive on any of my computers since '97 ... get with the times folks! :lol:

(BTW - did anyone notice the arizona scheme (there's that word again!) tonight?! they completely took the rbs away aside from the first drive and came with a custom-designed coverage approach that the panthers had no answer to ... we need that kinda of thinking! not necessarily "blitzing", tex....the cards have also scored more 3rd qrt points than anyone this season. that's testament to the work/adjustments at half time. coaching should help WIN games, not *ever* lose them.)

[Rastak]

Man, some ugly passes in this game.

[Lurker64]

Man, some ugly passes in this game.

I think they're playing in some gnarly winds. Eli has struggled a lot in those in the past (remember the Vikings game last year?), so the Giants are probably going to need to be able to pound the ball to score points.

[Lurker64]

McNabb apparently not having problems with the wind though.

[Rastak]

McNabb apparently not having problems with the wind though.


It's at his back, right?

[Lurker64]

McNabb apparently not having problems with the wind though.


It's at his back, right?

I think so, but I recall the Meadowlands suffer from "swirling winds", whatever that means.

[Rastak]

Shit pass by Manning ends up costing them.

[denverYooper]

Shit pass by Manning ends up costing them.

Yup.

[Lurker64]

Shit pass by Manning ends up costing them.

I wonder if this is when Manning breaks his streak of being a quality caretaker and returns to his old ways of struggling at home in cold weather. I mean, last year's improbable Superbowl run was all road games and during December the Giants were 1-3.

[Rastak]

Joe Buck talking about how Samuel has paid off in the playoffs is funny. Manning threw it right to him. A practice squad guy could have done that.

[Rastak]

The Eagles are a bunch of cheap shot artists aren't they. Refs have their flags shoved up their keisters I guess.

[Lurker64]

The Eagles are a bunch of cheap shot artists aren't they. Refs have their flags shoved up their keisters I guess.

Is this much chipper than the Tennessee Baltimore game yesterday, or are we just giving the Ravens a pass because nobody pretends that they're not thugs.

[Rastak]

The Eagles are a bunch of cheap shot artists aren't they. Refs have their flags shoved up their keisters I guess.

Is this much chipper than the Tennessee Baltimore game yesterday, or are we just giving the Ravens a pass because nobody pretends that they're not thugs.


Not a bad point.

[Lurker64]

Philadelphia's front seven is always pretty good, but all of the guys there are generally pretty obscure in terms of the attention they get from the media. Are they just not particularly special athletes playing in a good scheme?

[Lurker64]

Obscurish rules question, on a free kick following a safety, is it a penalty if you kick the ball out of bounds? This one doesn't come up often enough for me to know offhand.

[Rastak]

They have a ood scheme despite what Tex says. Perhaps they have a great scouting department, ensuring solid players to execute the scheme.


edit: No idea on the free kick.

[denverYooper]

There's Tracy White with the tackle on the punt return.

[Lurker64]

That's amazing that Jeremy Shockey (for as hyped a receiver as he is and how dynamic the Saints offense is) didn't score a TD this year. That the Giants got anything for him is kind of amazing.

[Lurker64]

Oh good, the NFC championship is a late game next week so the Cardinals have a chance.

[packers11]

Why couldn't plaxico fk up last year... It's funny because if he was in this game he would have 5-6 catches already with Manning just throwing it in his general direction...

[KYPack]

Why couldn't plaxico fk up last year... It's funny because if he was in this game he would have 5-6 catches already with Manning just throwing it in his general direction...

They are not the same team without that goof in there.

[Lurker64]

I wouldn't be surprised if 20 is enough to win this game. I guess we have to wait another week to hire our defensive coordinator, and wait for the Iggles to get torn-up by the January Buzzsaw that is the Arizona Cardinals.

[Rastak]

Giants sure F'd this one up.

[cpk1994]

Christ the Eagles suck inside the 5.

[Lurker64]

I thought there was some pass interference on that interception, but that should seal the game. Three for three on upsets so far.

[cpk1994]

McNabb is acting like a dick.

[steve823]

byeee giantss ahhahahahahha i hope they rot in hell..cocky bastards. ravens all the way.

and by the way..packer fans you shgould be rooting against pittsburgh because they won too many sbs and will move too far ahead of us

[pack4to84]

Just think if the Bears would have beaten the Texans they could be playing for the super bowl.

[Lurker64]

So far the most compelling story of this game I think is "how many different ways will the announcers pronounce Scifres's name today".

So far, I count four.

[Guiness]

Going into this year, Warner was a HOF longshot.

He puts himself firmly on the bubble now - and if he gets this team an SB, he's in, IMO.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Going into this year, Warner was a HOF longshot.

He puts himself firmly on the bubble now - and if he gets this team an SB, he's in, IMO.
He wins a 2nd SB ring and puts up solid numbers in the NC Champ and SB, I don't see how you keep him out.

[KYPack]

Going into this year, Warner was a HOF longshot.

He puts himself firmly on the bubble now - and if he gets this team an SB, he's in, IMO.
He wins a 2nd SB ring and puts up solid numbers in the NC Champ and SB, I don't see how you keep him out.

I think this run this season put him over the top.

Really wasn't aware of Kurt's lifetime numbers until you guys brought it up this season. He's pretty much there right now.

A win in the NFCCG and SB appearance?

He's a super lock.

[Lurker64]

I think Warner's already in, just by virtue of putting up great numbers as well as being a good story and a character guy. I mean, a guy who pays his dues in the Arena league, only gets to play because the anointed starter gets hurt in the preseason, wins the superbowl and the superbowl MVP that year, then the playoffs the next year, loses one of the all-time great superbowls the next year, gradually falls off the next season, moves teams a couple time, is considered washed up and only good as a backup. Then he goes to Arizona to sit behind the hot rookie prospect, ends up sharing play time and eventually beating out Leinart, leads the Cardinals to their first division championship in a long time, and takes the team to the NFC championship. Plus, all the while he's put up really good numbers.

I think that story (with his numbers) is going to get him in.

Plus, I mean, how many QBs playing in the late 90s and early 00s do you put over him for the Hall of Fame? Favre and Manning, but anybody else?

[Partial]

Mickey McNabb is in if he takes a team to the super bowl.

[Partial]

Man, I love these defenses. Great game.

Gotta love the final 4 in the AFC. Tough, hard nosed football teams.

I want the Steelers LB coach to be interviewed for DC. He always has a great unit, even without first round talent.

[RashanGary]

I was impressed with the Eagles today. I didn't watch this last game as much as I could have. The Steelers look tough from what I saw. The Ravens looked tough yesterday. As much as the QB's are good, it's been all about the defense in the games I've watched. The Cardinals might be the exception but I haven't really watched them play this year so maybe their defense is good too.

The Packers are going to have to get stronger on defense and the OL to go toe to toe with these big boys.

The biggest surprise to me has been the Eagles. They are legit. They're my pick right now.

[mission]

One thing about the Steelers -- their defensive line is not that big at all. All this talk about a 3-4 and how you need Grady Jackson at NT and how our guys aren't big enough for it and all that ... I don't see it. Hell, I saw two plays today where Pittsburgh had 2!! down lineman and 1 guy in a two point ...

Going back to that "creativity" word again that Tex doesn't understand ... it's not all about blitzing. Confusion and adjustments are a greater factor.

[Patler]

Warner and the HOF is a real interesting question. As good as he has played, its amazing he has played only 100 games, but spread out over 11 seasons. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve it, just that his career is really a peculiar one.