We Are One

[SkinBasket]

HBO is running this DC Mall show where that country singer with the alter ego that ruthlessly fucks women despite his other ego being married is singing "Shout" to the assembled tens of thousands. They are one. They are doing the wave. They are buying into the parade of celebrities offering visions of hope. The country singer is singing from a 20'x20' teleprompter. Now they're invoking MLK while U2 sings in front of the Lincoln Memorial bedecked with American flags shouting about the Palestinian dream.

Are Euros going to fit in my wallet?

[MJZiggy]

Haven't you heard? The Euro is near dead.

[packinpatland]

You know what Skin?.............not today.
Today was good. Garth Brooks rocked. So did JT, Bono, The Boss,Tom Hanks, Denzel, old man Seeger and a kajillion others.
Not today.

[mraynrand]

You know what Skin?.............not today.
Today was good. Garth Brooks rocked. So did JT, Bono, The Boss,Tom Hanks, Denzel, old man Seeger and a kajillion others.
Not today.

Tom Hanks rocked?

[HowardRoark]

You know what Skin?.............not today.
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/arts/photos/2007/07/25/Ulrich-muehe_livesofothers_392-cbc.jpg

[packinpatland]

You know what Skin?.............not today.
Today was good. Garth Brooks rocked. So did JT, Bono, The Boss,Tom Hanks, Denzel, old man Seeger and a kajillion others.
Not today.

Tom Hanks rocked?

In a Lincolnesque kind of way, yes he did.

[packinpatland]

You know what Skin?.............not today.
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/arts/photos/2007/07/25/Ulrich-muehe_livesofothers_392-cbc.jpg

It's OK, call me stupid. Who is that?

[MJZiggy]

I don't know either.

[bobblehead]

You know what Skin?.............not today.
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/arts/photos/2007/07/25/Ulrich-muehe_livesofothers_392-cbc.jpg

It's OK, call me stupid. Who is that?

Your stupid (you told me to). I have no clue who that is either.

[bobblehead]

Haven't you heard? The Euro is near dead.

One euro will get you 1.336 dollars currently....that isn't dead yet. It should hit somewhere in the low 1.20's before its over for those of you wanting to make a play.

[mraynrand]

You know what Skin?.............not today.
Today was good. Garth Brooks rocked. So did JT, Bono, The Boss,Tom Hanks, Denzel, old man Seeger and a kajillion others.
Not today.

Tom Hanks rocked?

In a Lincolnesque kind of way, yes he did.

'Lincolnesque?'

[sheepshead]

Leading by example

Because of the wars and the Depression, Woodrow Wilson and Franklin D. Roosevelt refused to have celebrations or parties following their inaugurations in 1913 and in 1937, 1941 and 1945, respectively.

[SkinBasket]

You know what Skin?.............not today.

Sorry. Didn't know I wasn't allowed to dissent during the celebrifest. But you're right, it should be honored as a religious ceremony. Mary J. Blige, Bono, Garth Brooks, Sheryl Crow, Renee Fleming, Josh Groban, Herbie Hancock, John Mellencamp, Usher, Samuel L. Jackson, Shakira, Bruce Springsteen, will.i.am, Queen Latifah, and Stevie Wonder have all earned that right as important leaders of this great American nation. I am one. I am one. I am one.

I'm just not sure if that was Garth Brooks or Chris Gains reading his own songs from the bottom of his heart off the teleprompter.

[sheepshead]

Pelosi is such an idiot:


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=da6_1232326457

[Kiwon]

You know what Skin?.............not today.
Today was good. Garth Brooks rocked. So did JT, Bono, The Boss,Tom Hanks, Denzel, old man Seeger and a kajillion others.
Not today.

Tom Hanks rocked?

In a Lincolnesque kind of way, yes he did.

'Lincolnesque?'

Just how old are you? :)

PIP, sorry to ruin your day, but Lincoln, a Christian, a man of deep faith and prayer, would prefer SARAH PALIN to the ensemble mentioned above. Sarah Palin, the one you like to hate, that self-made success from hicksville Alaska, would have been loved by Lincoln, a genuine person.

[packinpatland]

If Lincoln were alive today............he'd be a Democrat.

[mraynrand]

If Lincoln were alive today............he'd be a Democrat.

If Lincoln were alive today, he'd suspend your habeas corpus.

[packinpatland]

I haven't been arrested recently, and am at present not a prisoner.....how does this apply to me?.................or are just hoping they take me away? :lol:

[Joemailman]

If Lincoln were alive today............he'd be a Democrat.

If Lincoln were alive today, he'd suspend your habeas corpus.

If Lincoln wew alive today, he's be about 200 years old.

[mraynrand]

If Lincoln were alive today............he'd be a Democrat.

If Lincoln were alive today, he'd suspend your habeas corpus.

If Lincoln wew alive today, he's be about 200 years old.

That's one old corpus.

[Harlan Huckleby]

You know what Skin?.............not today.
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/arts/photos/2007/07/25/Ulrich-muehe_livesofothers_392-cbc.jpg

It's OK, call me stupid. Who is that?

this is an East German commy spying on freedom-loving people in a movie from about 15 years ago.

This picture usually appears when one of the crackers in the forum wants to ridicule me as being a socialist.

not sure why it appeared in your discussion, it must have just felt right to HowardRoark.

It was a GREAT movie from Germany, can't remember the name.

[swede]

I thought it was James Taylor in the recording booth.

[texaspackerbacker]

If Lincoln were alive today............he'd be a Democrat.

A big no way to that!

The Habeus Corpus thing has already been discussed--Lincoln was a hard core fighter of terrorists by any means necessary--also a hard core military interventionist. He also, based on a lot of his statements, was surprisingly racist. He also was accomodating to his political enemies--something completely alien to the posture of Reid, Pelosi, and most of the higher level Dems. I have heard that Obama may be different--a little more Lincoln-esque--in this way. That remains to be seen, however.

Lincoln was also a populist at heart. In that respect, he would have a hard time finding a home with either party these days, both of which are saturated with inside-the-beltway types.

The closest thing to Lincoln nowadays would be what I call the good normal Americans--the Rush Limbaugh listeners, the generally apolitical but staunchly pro-American/patriotic types.

Obama actually campaigned in a way designed to appeal to this segment of the electorate. If he is smart enough as a politician to realize what got him elected, and conduct his presidency accordingly, then there may be hope for him. Unfortunately, I'm betting he's more of a thorough leftist ideologue who will drift closer and closer to the worst and most anti-American of his advisers and supporters. We'll see. In the realm of security, the fate of America may literally hang in the balance.

[packinpatland]

I thought it was James Taylor in the recording booth.

Nah......JT has less hair :lol:

[HowardRoark]

You know what Skin?.............not today.
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/arts/photos/2007/07/25/Ulrich-muehe_livesofothers_392-cbc.jpg

It's OK, call me stupid. Who is that?

this is an East German commy spying on freedom-loving people in a movie from about 15 years ago.

This picture usually appears when one of the crackers in the forum wants to ridicule me as being a socialist.

not sure why it appeared in your discussion, it must have just felt right to HowardRoark.

It was a GREAT movie from Germany, can't remember the name.

Das Leben der Anderen…..aka Lives of Others. You are correct Harlan, and excellent movie.

It was about a time in East Germany when the government controlled all the lives. They knew what everyone thought and said. Even inside their homes.

Much as the voice in the wilderness of Mr. Basket was stifled, so were the voices and lives of those who dared to speak up during this time. Is it so wrong to comment on the celebrites with their GEDs giving brilliant speeches to the masses, er, sheep? Why should that not be observed?

But he sure does look like James Taylor too.

[packinpatland]

Hard to imagine that guy^ with or without hair singing Jellyman Kelly :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P32Tnok65cI

[HowardRoark]

Hard to imagine that guy^ with or without hair singing Jellyman Kelly :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P32Tnok65cI

It would, however, be easy to imagine this guy listening in on my phone conversations.....
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/James_Taylor_1999.jpg/220px-James_Taylor_1999.jpg

[mraynrand]

Hard to imagine that guy^ with or without hair singing Jellyman Kelly :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P32Tnok65cI

It would, however, be easy to imagine this guy listening in on my phone conversations.....
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/James_Taylor_1999.jpg/220px-James_Taylor_1999.jpg

I think that's what's know as 'easy listening.'

What would be unpleasant, however, would be listening in on James Taylors' conversations.

[packinpatland]

Hard to imagine that guy^ with or without hair singing Jellyman Kelly :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P32Tnok65cI

It would, however, be easy to imagine this guy listening in on my phone conversations.....
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/James_Taylor_1999.jpg/220px-James_Taylor_1999.jpg

:lol: :lol: That's good. You don't know much about JT do you! :lol: :lol:
You confusing him with Pres. Bush or Cheney and their way of thinking...........unless they still have 'party lines' up there in Lenox, MA....I doubt that James would be listening in on any phone coversations.....and definetly, not yours! :lol:

[swede]

That's good. You confusing him with Pres. Bush or Cheney and their way of thinking...



"Bush...he a man. Cheney...he a man. He a bad man, Bush and Cheney."

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x259/jimmyThePipe/msSwan.png

[SkinBasket]

You know what Skin?.............not today.
Today was good. Garth Brooks rocked. So did JT, Bono, The Boss,Tom Hanks, Denzel, old man Seeger and a kajillion others.
Not today.

Tom Hanks rocked?

In a Lincolnesque kind of way, yes he did.

Lincolnesque, hey?


Tom Hanks, an Executive Producer for HBO’s controversial polygamist series “Big Love,” made his feelings toward the Mormon Church’s involvement in California's Prop 8 (which prohibits gay marriage) very clear at the show’s premiere party on Wednesday night.

“The truth is this takes place in Utah, the truth is these people are some bizarre offshoot of the Mormon Church, and the truth is a lot of Mormons gave a lot of money to the church to make Prop-8 happen,” he told Tarts. “There are a lot of people who feel that is un-American, and I am one of them. I do not like to see any discrimination codified on any piece of paper, any of the 50 states in America, but here's what happens now. A little bit of light can be shed, and people can see who's responsible, and that can motivate the next go around of our self correcting Constitution, and hopefully we can move forward instead of backwards. So let's have faith in not only the American, but Californian, constitutional process.”...

Bill McKeever, a rep for the Mormonism Research Ministry, added, "Personally, I find it un-American to tell people that they shouldn’t vote their conscience. Hanks said he doesn’t 'like to see any discrimination codified on any piece of paper.' Considering that just about every law discriminates in some form or another, makes this comment ridiculous. Hanks’ comment shows that he very much believes in discriminating against people with whom he disagrees. I may not agree with Mormon theology, but I certainly defend their right to express their opinion."

Of course, a week later he issues an "apology" through his publicist, which makes it very sincere-like.

I'm sure Lincoln would be proud. Especially about the part where Hanks thinks we should continue voting on an issue until the desired result is reached, or as he and others in Minnesota call it, "moving forward."

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You know what Skin?.............not today.
Today was good. Garth Brooks rocked. So did JT, Bono, The Boss,Tom Hanks, Denzel, old man Seeger and a kajillion others.
Not today.

Tom Hanks rocked?

In a Lincolnesque kind of way, yes he did.

'Lincolnesque?'

Just how old are you? :)

PIP, sorry to ruin your day, but Lincoln, a Christian, a man of deep faith and prayer, would prefer SARAH PALIN to the ensemble mentioned above. Sarah Palin, the one you like to hate, that self-made success from hicksville Alaska, would have been loved by Lincoln, a genuine person.

Stop with this line of b.s.

Lincoln never joined a church nor ever made a clear profession of standard Christian beliefs... Lincoln's friend Jesse Fell [suggested that Lincoln's views on Christian theology] were not orthodox: "on the innate depravity of man, the character and office of the great head of the Church, the Atonement, the infallibility of the written revelation, the performance of miracles, the nature and design of . . . future rewards and punishments . . . and many other subjects, he held opinions utterly at variance with what are usually taught in the church."

While he read the bible, he never said grace at meals, etc.

It is likely that Lincoln was turned against organized Christianity by his experiences as a young man in New Salem, Illinois, where excessive emotion and bitter sectarian quarrels marked yearly camp meetings and the ministry of traveling preachers.

[Freak Out]

You know what Skin?.............not today.
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/arts/photos/2007/07/25/Ulrich-muehe_livesofothers_392-cbc.jpg

Wasn't he supposed to leave with Bush? Oh...he has always been here.

[Fosco33]

I Am Many

[HarveyWallbangers]

It is likely that Lincoln was turned against organized Christianity by his experiences as a young man in New Salem, Illinois, where excessive emotion and bitter sectarian quarrels marked yearly camp meetings and the ministry of traveling preachers.

Some people suspect he turned back to religion later in life after close family members died.

[Joemailman]

You know what Skin?.............not today.
Today was good. Garth Brooks rocked. So did JT, Bono, The Boss,Tom Hanks, Denzel, old man Seeger and a kajillion others.
Not today.

Tom Hanks rocked?

In a Lincolnesque kind of way, yes he did.

'Lincolnesque?'

Just how old are you? :)

PIP, sorry to ruin your day, but Lincoln, a Christian, a man of deep faith and prayer, would prefer SARAH PALIN to the ensemble mentioned above. Sarah Palin, the one you like to hate, that self-made success from hicksville Alaska, would have been loved by Lincoln, a genuine person.

Stop with this line of b.s.

Lincoln never joined a church nor ever made a clear profession of standard Christian beliefs... Lincoln's friend Jesse Fell [suggested that Lincoln's views on Christian theology] were not orthodox: "on the innate depravity of man, the character and office of the great head of the Church, the Atonement, the infallibility of the written revelation, the performance of miracles, the nature and design of . . . future rewards and punishments . . . and many other subjects, he held opinions utterly at variance with what are usually taught in the church."

While he read the bible, he never said grace at meals, etc.

It is likely that Lincoln was turned against organized Christianity by his experiences as a young man in New Salem, Illinois, where excessive emotion and bitter sectarian quarrels marked yearly camp meetings and the ministry of traveling preachers.

Lincoln believed in God, but probably had not much use for organized religion.
This quote probably says something about Lincoln's thoughts on religion.

That I am not a member of any Christian Church, is true; but I have never denied the truth of the Scriptures; and I have never spoken with intentional disrespect of religion in general, or any denomination of Christians in particular.

[mraynrand]

It is likely that Lincoln was turned against organized Christianity by his experiences as a young man in New Salem, Illinois, where excessive emotion and bitter sectarian quarrels marked yearly camp meetings and the ministry of traveling preachers.

Some people suspect he turned back to religion later in life after close family members died.

I have never met anyone with Marfan's Syndrome who wasn't religious.

[Little Whiskey]

I have never met anyone with Marfan's Syndrome who wasn't religious.


I've never met anyone with Marfan's Syndrome.

[packinpatland]

My favorite Lincoln quote:

"I can see how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how he could look up into the heavens and say there is no God."

[GrnBay007]

My favorite Lincoln quote:

"I can see how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how he could look up into the heavens and say there is no God."

Good one!

[Tyrone Bigguns]

It is likely that Lincoln was turned against organized Christianity by his experiences as a young man in New Salem, Illinois, where excessive emotion and bitter sectarian quarrels marked yearly camp meetings and the ministry of traveling preachers.

Some people suspect he turned back to religion later in life after close family members died.

That could be true. I have no issue with that..or if he was.

But, to declare he was a "christian"...and all that that implies today is a massive fudging.

[packinpatland]

In 1846 Lincoln said:

"That I am not a member of any Christian Church, is true; but I have never denied the truth of the Scriptures; and I have never spoken with intentional disrespect of religion in general, or of any denomination of Christians in particular. … I do not think I could, myself, be brought to support a man for office whom I knew to be an open enemy of, and scoffer at, religion. Leaving the higher matter of eternal consequences between him and his Maker, I still do not think any man has the right thus to insult the feelings, and injure the morals, of the community in which he may live … "

[mraynrand]

But, to declare he was a "christian"...and all that that implies today is a massive fudging.

What does that imply?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

But, to declare he was a "christian"...and all that that implies today is a massive fudging.

What does that imply?

The term "christian" isn't the same today as it was then.

You think Lincoln believed in the rapture, etc. :roll:

You think Lincoln believed in being "born again" or a personal relationship with Christ? :roll:

[SkinBasket]

But, to declare he was a "christian"...and all that that implies today is a massive fudging.

What does that imply?

The term "christian" isn't the same today as it was then.

You think Lincoln believed in the rapture, etc. :roll:

You think Lincoln believed in being "born again" or a personal relationship with Christ? :roll:

So, as usual, you want your definitions, perceptions, and prejudices to define the argument.

[mraynrand]

But, to declare he was a "christian"...and all that that implies today is a massive fudging.

What does that imply?

The term "christian" isn't the same today as it was then.

You think Lincoln believed in the rapture, etc. :roll:

You think Lincoln believed in being "born again" or a personal relationship with Christ? :roll:

So, as usual, you want your definitions, perceptions, and prejudices to define the argument.

You beat me to it. Christian means you believe you are saved (justified) from sin through the grace of Jesus Christ (God). That doesn't have to imply anything else.

[Partial]

But, to declare he was a "christian"...and all that that implies today is a massive fudging.

What does that imply?

The term "christian" isn't the same today as it was then.

You think Lincoln believed in the rapture, etc. :roll:

You think Lincoln believed in being "born again" or a personal relationship with Christ? :roll:

Source that he didn't?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

But, to declare he was a "christian"...and all that that implies today is a massive fudging.

What does that imply?

The term "christian" isn't the same today as it was then.

You think Lincoln believed in the rapture, etc. :roll:

You think Lincoln believed in being "born again" or a personal relationship with Christ? :roll:

So, as usual, you want your definitions, perceptions, and prejudices to define the argument.

Exact opposite. It is Kiwon's def, perceptions and prejudices that do it. He is the one that labeled him a "christian."

[Tyrone Bigguns]

But, to declare he was a "christian"...and all that that implies today is a massive fudging.

What does that imply?

The term "christian" isn't the same today as it was then.

You think Lincoln believed in the rapture, etc. :roll:

You think Lincoln believed in being "born again" or a personal relationship with Christ? :roll:

Source that he didn't?

You are such an idiot that it doesnt' even warrant a retort. Why don't you find out when the term "rapture" was first used.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

But, to declare he was a "christian"...and all that that implies today is a massive fudging.

What does that imply?

The term "christian" isn't the same today as it was then.

You think Lincoln believed in the rapture, etc. :roll:

You think Lincoln believed in being "born again" or a personal relationship with Christ? :roll:

So, as usual, you want your definitions, perceptions, and prejudices to define the argument.

You beat me to it. Christian means you believe you are saved (justified) from sin through the grace of Jesus Christ (God). That doesn't have to imply anything else.

Their is the connotation and denotation. Being a christian today..when that term is used certainly doesnt' include catholics, etc. Catholics, etc. certainly dont' go around talking about personal relationships with god, being born again, etc.

But, please point out where Lincoln even subscribed to that standard (being saved through jesus).

[SkinBasket]

You are such an idiot that it doesnt' even warrant a retort.

Source?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You are such an idiot that it doesnt' even warrant a retort.

Source?

Which of his posts do i need to reference?

[SkinBasket]

You are such an idiot that it doesnt' even warrant a retort.

Source?

Which of his posts do i need to reference?

I think you could safely randomly select any of the 13551 and have some material to work with.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I think he sealed his fate with his statements about the greatest back ever to lace cleats for the pack...money morency.

Hard to imagine how 32 gms passed on a guy with partial's highly coveted "it" status.

[mraynrand]

But, to declare he was a "christian"...and all that that implies today is a massive fudging.

What does that imply?

The term "christian" isn't the same today as it was then.

You think Lincoln believed in the rapture, etc. :roll:

You think Lincoln believed in being "born again" or a personal relationship with Christ? :roll:

So, as usual, you want your definitions, perceptions, and prejudices to define the argument.

You beat me to it. Christian means you believe you are saved (justified) from sin through the grace of Jesus Christ (God). That doesn't have to imply anything else.

Their is the connotation and denotation. Being a christian today..when that term is used certainly doesnt' include catholics, etc. Catholics, etc. certainly dont' go around talking about personal relationships with god, being born again, etc.

But, please point out where Lincoln even subscribed to that standard (being saved through jesus).

I wasn't referring to Lincoln at all. only to your blanket statement about Christians. Are you now saying Catholics, etc. (whaterver etc. means) aren't Christian? What are you talking about?

[texaspackerbacker]

But, to declare he was a "christian"...and all that that implies today is a massive fudging.

What does that imply?

The term "christian" isn't the same today as it was then.

You think Lincoln believed in the rapture, etc. :roll:

You think Lincoln believed in being "born again" or a personal relationship with Christ? :roll:

So, as usual, you want your definitions, perceptions, and prejudices to define the argument.

You beat me to it. Christian means you believe you are saved (justified) from sin through the grace of Jesus Christ (God). That doesn't have to imply anything else.

Their is the connotation and denotation. Being a christian today..when that term is used certainly doesnt' include catholics, etc. Catholics, etc. certainly dont' go around talking about personal relationships with god, being born again, etc.

But, please point out where Lincoln even subscribed to that standard (being saved through jesus).


Tyrone, you are lumping a lot of bogus "Christian" teachings (by bogus, I mean non-Biblical) in with the one real teaching--as stated above by aynrand.

You may even be right about Lincoln. Based on the limited knowledge of Lincoln I have, he probably had a politician's brand of Christianity--a lot more talk than real belief. Then again, maybe he meant what he said--that's not really for us to judge--and he definitely did invoke a lot of Christian-sounding words.

My question to you is: what's the big deal? Why are you so concerned--maybe even threatened--by the concept of an almost universally revered figure like Lincoln also being a Christian? If the name "Obama" was substituted for Lincoln. what would be your position then? He too tries to sound like a Christian, and IMO, there's a helluva lot more reason to doubt Obama than Lincoln.

[Partial]

But, to declare he was a "christian"...and all that that implies today is a massive fudging.

What does that imply?

The term "christian" isn't the same today as it was then.

You think Lincoln believed in the rapture, etc. :roll:

You think Lincoln believed in being "born again" or a personal relationship with Christ? :roll:

Source that he didn't?

You are such an idiot that it doesnt' even warrant a retort. Why don't you find out when the term "rapture" was first used.

Classic Ty. Talk a big, mean game avoiding the actual question/statement at hand.