Alternative Medicine

[GrnBay007]

With so many different people on this forum, wondering if anyone here practices any forms of Alternative Medicine? I'm not so much talking about the really radical stuff, but more so the natural methods for healing/health care.

A guy I have worked with for many years is always trying new stuff when he hears about it. He's completely into the organic foods. There are a couple things he's tried...alternative medicine preventative care that I thought were really off the wall, but the majority of the stuff he tells me about makes sense health-wise. He's 62 years old and doesn't look a day over 50. Actually, if he hadn't gotten gray hair early he'd look late 40's. He's never out of the office sick and I seriously can't even remember the last time he even had a cold. I can't help but think some of this stuff must be helping.

His latest thing is "oil pulling".

The practice of oil pulling apparently is a time-honoured tradition in parts of the world (I think originated in India). Oil pulling therapy simply consists in thoroughly sloshing certain types of commonly found oil in the mouth for up to 20 minutes. This practice is said to draw toxins & destroy natural mouth germs while stimulating the body's eliminatory system and increasing metabolism, thus leading to improved health and the conquering of disease.

Anyone practice this or even heard of it? The benefits listed go from gums/teeth to things like heart disease, diabetes, arthritis and some forms of cancer in respect to preventative care as well as healing.

Just curious.

[mraynrand]

http://www.ionchipatch.com/images/ion_chi_patch_07.jpg

I used this to 'get rid of toxic heavy metals' I was in the hospital recovering from magnesium wasting for six weeks.

[digitaldean]

With so many different people on this forum, wondering if anyone here practices any forms of Alternative Medicine? I'm not so much talking about the really radical stuff, but more so the natural methods for healing/health care.

A guy I have worked with for many years is always trying new stuff when he hears about it. He's completely into the organic foods. There are a couple things he's tried...alternative medicine preventative care that I thought were really off the wall, but the majority of the stuff he tells me about makes sense health-wise. He's 62 years old and doesn't look a day over 50. Actually, if he hadn't gotten gray hair early he'd look late 40's. He's never out of the office sick and I seriously can't even remember the last time he even had a cold. I can't help but think some of this stuff must be helping.

His latest thing is "oil pulling".

The practice of oil pulling apparently is a time-honoured tradition in parts of the world (I think originated in India). Oil pulling therapy simply consists in thoroughly sloshing certain types of commonly found oil in the mouth for up to 20 minutes. This practice is said to draw toxins & destroy natural mouth germs while stimulating the body's eliminatory system and increasing metabolism, thus leading to improved health and the conquering of disease.

Anyone practice this or even heard of it? The benefits listed go from gums/teeth to things like heart disease, diabetes, arthritis and some forms of cancer in respect to preventative care as well as healing.

Just curious.

My wife has MS and you'd be surprised the different types of alternative medicine people try to reduce or eliminate the problems with MS. Her docs actually encourage different types of natural supplements to enhance stamina, memory, etc. That and the conventional Rx's she's been getting have helped immensely.

The toxin foot patches I've also seen at a cancer clinic in Bristol, WI, near Madison. My late godmother had cancer and had some help alleviating the side effects of her chemo/radiation because of it.

Some things (like bee sting therapy for MS patients) appear downright quackery. Best thing to do is get informed on it and network with others who have the same type of disease.

[GrnBay007]

My wife has MS and you'd be surprised the different types of alternative medicine people try to reduce or eliminate the problems with MS. Her docs actually encourage different types of natural supplements to enhance stamina, memory, etc. That and the conventional Rx's she's been getting have helped immensely.

The toxin foot patches I've also seen at a cancer clinic in Bristol, WI, near Madison. My late godmother had cancer and had some help alleviating the side effects of her chemo/radiation because of it.

Some things (like bee sting therapy for MS patients) appear downright quackery. Best thing to do is get informed on it and network with others who have the same type of disease.

Dean, I wish the best for your wife.

I can't help but think some of this stuff must help. Like I originally said, I'm not talking about the really radical or maybe called quackery stuff. Modern medicine is wonderful, no doubt. But I just can't help wonder about some of the alternative medicine concerning preventative measures. Plus, there's no doubt the pharmaceutical companies are making millions and millions on treating people after the fact.

[packinpatland]

I wouldn't discount the bee sting therapy. I have bee hives. There are about a dozen people who come to 'borrow' bees. These are folks with RA, they swear it helps. Who knows.....

[packinpatland]

But I just can't help wonder about some of the alternative medicine concerning preventative measures. Plus, there's no doubt the pharmaceutical companies are making millions and millions on treating people after the fact.

I agree. But until our medical system becomes more proactive, and we, the populace begins to take our good health more seriously, the pharmas will do what they have to do.

[GrnBay007]

Yep, they are in it to make money....like everyone else. Can't fault them for that in America. Some stuff is just ridiculous though. I don't know how people that don't have insurance can handle it.

[red]

i need weight loss pills

i just need something to kill my appetite so i'm not eating all the time. i'd like to lose 20-30 pounds, and god knows i don't want to gain anymore

do green tea pills work?

[packinpatland]

Yep, they are in it to make money....like everyone else. Can't fault them for that in America. Some stuff is just ridiculous though. I don't know how people that don't have insurance can handle it.

The probem is...pharmas will spend millions bringing a drug to market.
http://csdd.tufts.edu/NewsEvents/RecentNews.asp?newsid=6
And then they only a 7 year patent to recoup, before that same drug is made generic.
It just seems like there should be a better way to do it.

[digitaldean]

Yep, they are in it to make money....like everyone else. Can't fault them for that in America. Some stuff is just ridiculous though. I don't know how people that don't have insurance can handle it.

The probem is...pharmas will spend millions bringing a drug to market.
http://csdd.tufts.edu/NewsEvents/RecentNews.asp?newsid=6
And then they only a 7 year patent to recoup, before that same drug is made generic.
It just seems like there should be a better way to do it.

Wow, that's staggering. I can say first hand if there weren't drugs like Avonex, Betaseron, etc. a lot of MS patients like my wife would have gotten much worse.

That being said, there are a lot of drug companies that provide kickbacks to docs for prescribing specific drugs. My sister works for a pharmacy and sees all sorts of shenanigans like that going on.

Over $800 million just to get a drug to market? Between that and the lawsuits when a drug fails, it's a wonder any drug makes it out to the public.

[MadtownPacker]

i need weight loss pills

i just need something to kill my appetite so i'm not eating all the time. i'd like to lose 20-30 pounds, and god knows i don't want to gain anymore

do green tea pills work?Start smoking crank. You will be skinny then a MFer in no time.

[GrnBay007]

That being said, there are a lot of drug companies that provide kickbacks to docs for prescribing specific drugs.

My bet would be one of the top ones being those that prescribe mental health medications. Through my experiences at work, they hand out the most free samples by far.

[GrnBay007]

Anyway, back to alternative medicine, or that type of stuff. Anyone here use Flax Seed?

[GrnBay007]

HAA...just finshed reading an article on Mood Boosters...how to banish a bad mood. Sunflower seeds were mentioned. No wonder they sell sunflower seeds at all baseball games! :P

[SkinBasket]

The toxin foot patches I've also seen at a cancer clinic in Bristol, WI, near Madison.

Bristol Club?

We've recently heard of this place where you go hold onto a metal bar hooked up to a computer for four hours, then the computer tells you what's wrong with you, such as: pancreatic cancer, upside down stomach, enlarged pituitary gland, etc. The woman then sells you illegal "medicine" labeled with such names as "Cancer" and "Mood." People go there and spend their money believing this. Not people with real problems with real pain, or real brains apparently, but the place is in business because there are enough people out there that want something to be wrong with them that they can "cure" with a pill made in China named "Mood."

[LL2]

I think there is some truth in alternative medicine. More people die from doctors than from guns. One of the things we do not do is get our kids vaccinated. My kids never get sick. The only symptoms they have had in the past couple years, and my kids are young, are the runny noses and slight fevers from when there teeth were growing in. That is normal. It may seem wrong not to vaccinate your kids, because every doctor pushes it, but there is a small but growing group that do not do it. We know several families that do not do it, and some that wish they had not done it. America is the most drugged up country in the world. I don't have the statistics in front of me, and wish I did. We produce more than 2/3rds of the drugs in the world, and consume the vast majority of that. I could go on and on, but yeah...I think alternative medicine is not a bad thing. Be smart and go to a doctor when necessary, but also be smart about the care and treatment you get.

[packinpatland]

HAA...just finshed reading an article on Mood Boosters...how to banish a bad mood. Sunflower seeds were mentioned. No wonder they sell sunflower seeds at all baseball games! :P

Just think about sunflower seeds.....and where they come from. I've never seen a VanGogh, or driven by a sunflower field, and not smiled.

I think the medical community (ours) does not want to accept remedies that aren't dispensed over a pharmacy counter. My older daughter has Lupus/RA. When she asked her rheumatologist about nutrition, he just shrugged it off...................and wrote another prescription.

My daughter's mother-in-law just went thru a horrendous year+ of treatment for stage 4 breast cancer (she's cancer free today)...........her Dr's at Sloan-Kettering, did believe in nutruion, with some very aggressive drugs. They advised her to eat foods in their most natural state, organic if possible. Avoid alot of meat. I don't remember the reason why, but flax seed was in alot of what she made.

[texaspackerbacker]

I don't practice any of this silly shit, and I'm 62 years old also (3 months away) and look like I'm 40.

I practice tennis, golf, swimming, jogging (I had given it up because of boredom, but having an IPOD has brought me a resurgence of jogging), and lots and lots of sex.

I eat whatever I damn well please--greasy hamburger, tons of ice cream, lots of non-diet pop, no vegetables, nothing whatsoever that's "lite", fat-free, sugar-free, etc., and I'm healthy as a horse.

There's a lot of bogus propaganda going around about what is and isn't good for you. Much of it results in sacrificing enjoyment of life--which is something far more important than "eating right" or taking or doing weird stuff just because it's the latest fad.

I'm not denying that there are certain medical conditions that really do benefit from real medication, but it is after-the-fact stuff like blood pressure drugs--the only thing I do take, not all this off-the-wall usually phony preventative stuff.

[hoosier]

I think there is some truth in alternative medicine. More people die from doctors than from guns. One of the things we do not do is get our kids vaccinated. My kids never get sick. The only symptoms they have had in the past couple years, and my kids are young, are the runny noses and slight fevers from when there teeth were growing in. That is normal. It may seem wrong not to vaccinate your kids, because every doctor pushes it, but there is a small but growing group that do not do it. We know several families that do not do it, and some that wish they had not done it. America is the most drugged up country in the world. I don't have the statistics in front of me, and wish I did. We produce more than 2/3rds of the drugs in the world, and consume the vast majority of that. I could go on and on, but yeah...I think alternative medicine is not a bad thing. Be smart and go to a doctor when necessary, but also be smart about the care and treatment you get.

Are you talking about optional vaccinations like flu shots, or the mandatory stuff like measels, mumps, rubella? If it's the mandatory stuff you're avoiding, what do you plan on doing for your kids' schooling? That's probably a silly question, since someone who refuses mandatory vaccines for their kid would be likely to reject public schools as well.

[mraynrand]

I don't practice any of this silly shit, and I'm 62 years old also (3 months away) and look like I'm 40.

I practice tennis, golf, swimming, jogging (I had given it up because of boredom, but having an IPOD has brought me a resurgence of jogging), and lots and lots of sex.

I eat whatever I damn well please--greasy hamburger, tons of ice cream, lots of non-diet pop, no vegetables, nothing whatsoever that's "lite", fat-free, sugar-free, etc., and I'm healthy as a horse.

There's a lot of bogus propaganda going around about what is and isn't good for you. Much of it results in sacrificing enjoyment of life--which is something far more important than "eating right" or taking or doing weird stuff just because it's the latest fad.

I'm not denying that there are certain medical conditions that really do benefit from real medication, but it is after-the-fact stuff like blood pressure drugs--the only thing I do take, not all this off-the-wall usually phony preventative stuff.

It sounds like you are enjoying life. We plan to replace all your delicious fats with those lacking trans fats. You will hate everything you eat, but you will live two months longer, if you don't kill yourself first.

[MadScientist]

I think there is some truth in alternative medicine. More people die from doctors than from guns. One of the things we do not do is get our kids vaccinated. My kids never get sick. The only symptoms they have had in the past couple years, and my kids are young, are the runny noses and slight fevers from when there teeth were growing in. That is normal. It may seem wrong not to vaccinate your kids, because every doctor pushes it, but there is a small but growing group that do not do it. We know several families that do not do it, and some that wish they had not done it. America is the most drugged up country in the world. I don't have the statistics in front of me, and wish I did. We produce more than 2/3rds of the drugs in the world, and consume the vast majority of that. I could go on and on, but yeah...I think alternative medicine is not a bad thing. Be smart and go to a doctor when necessary, but also be smart about the care and treatment you get.
Perhaps you should read up about these diseases you are not getting your kids vaccinated for. The main reason your kids aren't getting them is that enough are vaccinated that the diseases do not spread. If there are enough like you, the diseases will be back with a vengeance.

As for the oil pulling and other such, its fine if you like placebos. Any of these alternative treatments making big claims of curing serious and wide-ranging diseases should just be ignored as quackery.

[Little Whiskey]

More people die from doctors than from guns. One of the things we do not do is get our kids vaccinated. My kids never get sick.
The main reason your kids aren't getting them is that enough are vaccinated that the diseases do not spread. If there are enough like you, the diseases will be back with a vengeance.



exactly!

they have nearly eliminated these diseases because of vaccines not inspite of them. I have two small children and have heard the talk about how vaccines may cause autism and other side effects. I think the key is MAY. But we do know what happens to people when they contract polio or mumps or any of these other infectious diseases that are being vacinated for. I'm willing to take the risk for the possible side effects than to take the risk of one of these other diseases.

[texaspackerbacker]

I don't practice any of this silly shit, and I'm 62 years old also (3 months away) and look like I'm 40.

I practice tennis, golf, swimming, jogging (I had given it up because of boredom, but having an IPOD has brought me a resurgence of jogging), and lots and lots of sex.

I eat whatever I damn well please--greasy hamburger, tons of ice cream, lots of non-diet pop, no vegetables, nothing whatsoever that's "lite", fat-free, sugar-free, etc., and I'm healthy as a horse.

There's a lot of bogus propaganda going around about what is and isn't good for you. Much of it results in sacrificing enjoyment of life--which is something far more important than "eating right" or taking or doing weird stuff just because it's the latest fad.

I'm not denying that there are certain medical conditions that really do benefit from real medication, but it is after-the-fact stuff like blood pressure drugs--the only thing I do take, not all this off-the-wall usually phony preventative stuff.

It sounds like you are enjoying life. We plan to replace all your delicious fats with those lacking trans fats. You will hate everything you eat, but you will live two months longer, if you don't kill yourself first.

I don't think the technology exists to take transfats out of hamburger.

BTW, I was scrupulously avoiding injecting politics into this pristine thread--as I am often (sometimes justifiably) accused of. Let the record show, it was you, not me, aynrand.

I even avoided mentioning that the governor of New York is advocating an 18% tax (called by some at "fat tax") on all non-diet pop (soda for those in whatever part of the country). 60 some % of New Yorkers oppose this, but that probably won't stop the libs from inflicting it on them. The other reason I was gonna avoid mentioning that was the great good deed done by Governor Patterson today (see the other thread).

[Zool]

More people die from doctors than from guns.

Doctors dont kill people. People kill people.

More people also die from rabbit related deaths than they do from meteor showers. It's time to eradicate the rabbits.

[mraynrand]

I don't practice any of this silly shit, and I'm 62 years old also (3 months away) and look like I'm 40.

I practice tennis, golf, swimming, jogging (I had given it up because of boredom, but having an IPOD has brought me a resurgence of jogging), and lots and lots of sex.

I eat whatever I damn well please--greasy hamburger, tons of ice cream, lots of non-diet pop, no vegetables, nothing whatsoever that's "lite", fat-free, sugar-free, etc., and I'm healthy as a horse.

There's a lot of bogus propaganda going around about what is and isn't good for you. Much of it results in sacrificing enjoyment of life--which is something far more important than "eating right" or taking or doing weird stuff just because it's the latest fad.

I'm not denying that there are certain medical conditions that really do benefit from real medication, but it is after-the-fact stuff like blood pressure drugs--the only thing I do take, not all this off-the-wall usually phony preventative stuff.

It sounds like you are enjoying life. We plan to replace all your delicious fats with those lacking trans fats. You will hate everything you eat, but you will live two months longer, if you don't kill yourself first.

I don't think the technology exists to take transfats out of hamburger.

BTW, I was scrupulously avoiding injecting politics into this pristine thread--as I am often (sometimes justifiably) accused of. Let the record show, it was you, not me, aynrand.

I even avoided mentioning that the governor of New York is advocating an 18% tax (called by some at "fat tax") on all non-diet pop (soda for those in whatever part of the country). 60 some % of New Yorkers oppose this, but that probably won't stop the libs from inflicting it on them. The other reason I was gonna avoid mentioning that was the great good deed done by Governor Patterson today (see the other thread).


Guilty as charged.

For God's sakes LL2, vaccinate your kids!

As far as alternative medicine - locate a general practice/family doc with an interest in alternative medicine. There are some procedures and treatments that are for real and a god GP can steer you in the right direction, but be warned most of the alt. med stuff is no better than hair cream or snake oil. And there are tons of things that have been attributed to placebo effect. Be very careful.

[texaspackerbacker]

Neat little Freudian slip there--"a god GP". That does describe some of them--in their own minds.

[SkinBasket]

Our family prac doctor kind of sucks, but I still use him because he's nice. And he did grab my balls once, so we'll always have that connection.

[Zool]

Our family prac doctor kind of sucks, but I still use him because he's nice. And he did grab my balls once, so we'll always have that connection.

My last physical was a nurse practitioner just out of school. She explained how to do a testicular exam and was very thorough in the teachings. I think about her from time to time still.

[digitaldean]

The toxin foot patches I've also seen at a cancer clinic in Bristol, WI, near Madison.

Bristol Club?

No. It's near Madison, but found out it's not Bristol.

It's a center near Madison that was formed by an oncologist to use nutrition, etc. as a supplement to cancer treatment.

[SkinBasket]

The toxin foot patches I've also seen at a cancer clinic in Bristol, WI, near Madison.

Bristol Club?

No. It's near Madison, but found out it's not Bristol.

It's a center near Madison that was formed by an oncologist to use nutrition, etc. as a supplement to cancer treatment.

Bristol Club deals mainly in gynecology and breastology and has a 7 dollar cover charge.

[GrnBay007]

I think there is some truth in alternative medicine. More people die from doctors than from guns. One of the things we do not do is get our kids vaccinated. My kids never get sick. The only symptoms they have had in the past couple years, and my kids are young, are the runny noses and slight fevers from when there teeth were growing in. That is normal. It may seem wrong not to vaccinate your kids, because every doctor pushes it, but there is a small but growing group that do not do it. We know several families that do not do it, and some that wish they had not done it. America is the most drugged up country in the world. I don't have the statistics in front of me, and wish I did. We produce more than 2/3rds of the drugs in the world, and consume the vast majority of that. I could go on and on, but yeah...I think alternative medicine is not a bad thing. Be smart and go to a doctor when necessary, but also be smart about the care and treatment you get.

Are you talking about optional vaccinations like flu shots, or the mandatory stuff like measels, mumps, rubella? If it's the mandatory stuff you're avoiding, what do you plan on doing for your kids' schooling? That's probably a silly question, since someone who refuses mandatory vaccines for their kid would be likely to reject public schools as well.

I thought there were certain vaccines that were mandatory for school attendance also, but it seems they are not mandatory. I read where many will require the parents to sign a waiver if they choose to send their children to school and they are not vaccinated.

The co-worker I was talking about in the original post also did not have his children vaccinated.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

i need weight loss pills

i just need something to kill my appetite so i'm not eating all the time. i'd like to lose 20-30 pounds, and god knows i don't want to gain anymore

do green tea pills work?

Crack looks like a pill, and it will kill your appetite.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I don't practice any of this silly shit, and I'm 62 years old also (3 months away) and look like I'm 40.

I practice tennis, golf, swimming, jogging (I had given it up because of boredom, but having an IPOD has brought me a resurgence of jogging), and lots and lots of sex.

I eat whatever I damn well please--greasy hamburger, tons of ice cream, lots of non-diet pop, no vegetables, nothing whatsoever that's "lite", fat-free, sugar-free, etc., and I'm healthy as a horse.

There's a lot of bogus propaganda going around about what is and isn't good for you. Much of it results in sacrificing enjoyment of life--which is something far more important than "eating right" or taking or doing weird stuff just because it's the latest fad.

I'm not denying that there are certain medical conditions that really do benefit from real medication, but it is after-the-fact stuff like blood pressure drugs--the only thing I do take, not all this off-the-wall usually phony preventative stuff.

You are healthy as a horse, but you have high blood pressure. :roll:

[SkinBasket]

You are healthy as a horse, but you have high blood pressure. :roll:

My family's vet is currently peddling herbs to reduce equine high blood pressure in Colorado. Maybe she can swing through Texas on the way back.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You are healthy as a horse, but you have high blood pressure. :roll:

My family's vet is currently peddling herbs to reduce equine high blood pressure in Colorado. Maybe she can swing through Texas on the way back.

Herbs are veggies, Tex won't take them.

Perhaps she could put them in ice cream.

[GrnBay007]

like blood pressure drugs--the only thing I do take, not all this off-the-wall usually phony preventative stuff.

You could probably get off the blood pressure meds if you'd let politics go! :P

[texaspackerbacker]

I don't practice any of this silly shit, and I'm 62 years old also (3 months away) and look like I'm 40.

I practice tennis, golf, swimming, jogging (I had given it up because of boredom, but having an IPOD has brought me a resurgence of jogging), and lots and lots of sex.

I eat whatever I damn well please--greasy hamburger, tons of ice cream, lots of non-diet pop, no vegetables, nothing whatsoever that's "lite", fat-free, sugar-free, etc., and I'm healthy as a horse.

There's a lot of bogus propaganda going around about what is and isn't good for you. Much of it results in sacrificing enjoyment of life--which is something far more important than "eating right" or taking or doing weird stuff just because it's the latest fad.

I'm not denying that there are certain medical conditions that really do benefit from real medication, but it is after-the-fact stuff like blood pressure drugs--the only thing I do take, not all this off-the-wall usually phony preventative stuff.

You are healthy as a horse, but you have high blood pressure. :roll:

Like a high-strung thoroughbred.

[LEWCWA]

I think there is some truth in alternative medicine. More people die from doctors than from guns. One of the things we do not do is get our kids vaccinated. My kids never get sick. The only symptoms they have had in the past couple years, and my kids are young, are the runny noses and slight fevers from when there teeth were growing in. That is normal. It may seem wrong not to vaccinate your kids, because every doctor pushes it, but there is a small but growing group that do not do it. We know several families that do not do it, and some that wish they had not done it. America is the most drugged up country in the world. I don't have the statistics in front of me, and wish I did. We produce more than 2/3rds of the drugs in the world, and consume the vast majority of that. I could go on and on, but yeah...I think alternative medicine is not a bad thing. Be smart and go to a doctor when necessary, but also be smart about the care and treatment you get.
Perhaps you should read up about these diseases you are not getting your kids vaccinated for. The main reason your kids aren't getting them is that enough are vaccinated that the diseases do not spread. If there are enough like you, the diseases will be back with a vengeance.

As for the oil pulling and other such, its fine if you like placebos. Any of these alternative treatments making big claims of curing serious and wide-ranging diseases should just be ignored as quackery.


Checkout the folks in MN that just lost their baby to Hib I think, because they were so smart and didn't vaccinate. Bet they would like a redo!

[LL2]

I think there is some truth in alternative medicine. More people die from doctors than from guns. One of the things we do not do is get our kids vaccinated. My kids never get sick. The only symptoms they have had in the past couple years, and my kids are young, are the runny noses and slight fevers from when there teeth were growing in. That is normal. It may seem wrong not to vaccinate your kids, because every doctor pushes it, but there is a small but growing group that do not do it. We know several families that do not do it, and some that wish they had not done it. America is the most drugged up country in the world. I don't have the statistics in front of me, and wish I did. We produce more than 2/3rds of the drugs in the world, and consume the vast majority of that. I could go on and on, but yeah...I think alternative medicine is not a bad thing. Be smart and go to a doctor when necessary, but also be smart about the care and treatment you get.

Are you talking about optional vaccinations like flu shots, or the mandatory stuff like measels, mumps, rubella? If it's the mandatory stuff you're avoiding, what do you plan on doing for your kids' schooling? That's probably a silly question, since someone who refuses mandatory vaccines for their kid would be likely to reject public schools as well.

I thought there were certain vaccines that were mandatory for school attendance also, but it seems they are not mandatory. I read where many will require the parents to sign a waiver if they choose to send their children to school and they are not vaccinated.

The co-worker I was talking about in the original post also did not have his children vaccinated.

It's not a law that you HAVE to be vaccinated. Each state has their own legal requirements, and their are legal exemptions. The site below is one that has information on what is required.

http://www.909shot.com/state-site/state-exemptions.htm

[LL2]

I think there is some truth in alternative medicine. More people die from doctors than from guns. One of the things we do not do is get our kids vaccinated. My kids never get sick. The only symptoms they have had in the past couple years, and my kids are young, are the runny noses and slight fevers from when there teeth were growing in. That is normal. It may seem wrong not to vaccinate your kids, because every doctor pushes it, but there is a small but growing group that do not do it. We know several families that do not do it, and some that wish they had not done it. America is the most drugged up country in the world. I don't have the statistics in front of me, and wish I did. We produce more than 2/3rds of the drugs in the world, and consume the vast majority of that. I could go on and on, but yeah...I think alternative medicine is not a bad thing. Be smart and go to a doctor when necessary, but also be smart about the care and treatment you get.
Perhaps you should read up about these diseases you are not getting your kids vaccinated for. The main reason your kids aren't getting them is that enough are vaccinated that the diseases do not spread. If there are enough like you, the diseases will be back with a vengeance.

As for the oil pulling and other such, its fine if you like placebos. Any of these alternative treatments making big claims of curing serious and wide-ranging diseases should just be ignored as quackery.


Checkout the folks in MN that just lost their baby to Hib I think, because they were so smart and didn't vaccinate. Bet they would like a redo!

Sure, and I'm sure many parents wish their kids didn't become like the statistics below.

BARBARA LOE FISHER, NATIONAL VACCINE INFORMATION CENTER: Well I think it's very important for people to have access to this Institute of Medicine report. And they can do that by going to the Web site 909shot.com. We are linked directly to the Institute of Medicine Web site.

This report did not say that we should go home and not worry about the multiple vaccinations we're giving to our children. Quite to the contrary, it is a wonderful report that outlines in detail the possible biological mechanisms that could be at work when vaccines create auto immunity in some children. It is a research blueprint for the federal health agencies and for industry to do the kinds of scientific studies that need to be done to answer the outstanding question of whether or not vaccines -- the multiple vaccines we're giving our children -- have contributed to the doubling of asthma in the last 20 years in our kids, the doubling of learning disabilities and Attention Deficit Disorder, the tripling of Diabetes, and the increase of autism in every state by 600 percent.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0202/25/ltm.02.html

There are arguments for and against vaccines. There are many horror stories of kids dying after given a vaccine shot. All I say is educate yourseld and make your own decisions and not let others make them for you.

[texaspackerbacker]

like blood pressure drugs--the only thing I do take, not all this off-the-wall usually phony preventative stuff.

You could probably get off the blood pressure meds if you'd let politics go! :P

I appreciate all the concern for my health, but I only have a mild case of high blood pressure--well controlled by a couple of cheap medications with no side effects or anything like that.

Yeah, maybe giving up politics might get rid of it, but then I'd be missing out on all the fun--not to mention all the heightened blood pressure I give to the lefties in here. :P

You guys are missing the big picture with all this alternative crap. The biggest single factor in improving the length and quality of our lives are the highly effective prescription drugs which are the result of research--NOT by government, but by our much-maligned pharmaceutical companies--for the good old profit motive. They used to call them "miracle drugs". Now, there are so many, we have come to take them for granted.

[arcilite]

I dont buy into this 'alternative' stuff either.

And whoever said they dont want to vaccinate their kids is an idiot by the way.


As long as you dont eat too much and get decent exercise, you are fine.


I eat crappy foods all the time, and go through a bottle of bourbon every weekend but I am still pretty damn healthy.

[texaspackerbacker]

I dont buy into this 'alternative' stuff either.

And whoever said they dont want to vaccinate their kids is an idiot by the way.


As long as you dont eat too much and get decent exercise, you are fine.


I eat crappy foods all the time, and go through a bottle of bourbon every weekend but I am still pretty damn healthy.

It always brings a degree of self-doubt when I find myself in agreement with libs, but go for it. Being happy is the biggest single factor in good health--right up there with better prescription drugs.

As for vaccines, I'm keeping an open mind about that. I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt, but there are a lot of good people who think like LL2.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I don't practice any of this silly shit, and I'm 62 years old also (3 months away) and look like I'm 40.

I practice tennis, golf, swimming, jogging (I had given it up because of boredom, but having an IPOD has brought me a resurgence of jogging), and lots and lots of sex.

I eat whatever I damn well please--greasy hamburger, tons of ice cream, lots of non-diet pop, no vegetables, nothing whatsoever that's "lite", fat-free, sugar-free, etc., and I'm healthy as a horse.

There's a lot of bogus propaganda going around about what is and isn't good for you. Much of it results in sacrificing enjoyment of life--which is something far more important than "eating right" or taking or doing weird stuff just because it's the latest fad.

I'm not denying that there are certain medical conditions that really do benefit from real medication, but it is after-the-fact stuff like blood pressure drugs--the only thing I do take, not all this off-the-wall usually phony preventative stuff.

You are healthy as a horse, but you have high blood pressure. :roll:

Like a high-strung thoroughbred.

More like an old nag ready to be made into glue.

The fact that you declare yourself healthy despite high blood pressure..and a diet that contributes to it only proves how ridiculous you are.

[LEWCWA]

I think there is some truth in alternative medicine. More people die from doctors than from guns. One of the things we do not do is get our kids vaccinated. My kids never get sick. The only symptoms they have had in the past couple years, and my kids are young, are the runny noses and slight fevers from when there teeth were growing in. That is normal. It may seem wrong not to vaccinate your kids, because every doctor pushes it, but there is a small but growing group that do not do it. We know several families that do not do it, and some that wish they had not done it. America is the most drugged up country in the world. I don't have the statistics in front of me, and wish I did. We produce more than 2/3rds of the drugs in the world, and consume the vast majority of that. I could go on and on, but yeah...I think alternative medicine is not a bad thing. Be smart and go to a doctor when necessary, but also be smart about the care and treatment you get.
Perhaps you should read up about these diseases you are not getting your kids vaccinated for. The main reason your kids aren't getting them is that enough are vaccinated that the diseases do not spread. If there are enough like you, the diseases will be back with a vengeance.

As for the oil pulling and other such, its fine if you like placebos. Any of these alternative treatments making big claims of curing serious and wide-ranging diseases should just be ignored as quackery.


Checkout the folks in MN that just lost their baby to Hib I think, because they were so smart and didn't vaccinate. Bet they would like a redo!

Sure, and I'm sure many parents wish their kids didn't become like the statistics below.

BARBARA LOE FISHER, NATIONAL VACCINE INFORMATION CENTER: Well I think it's very important for people to have access to this Institute of Medicine report. And they can do that by going to the Web site 909shot.com. We are linked directly to the Institute of Medicine Web site.

This report did not say that we should go home and not worry about the multiple vaccinations we're giving to our children. Quite to the contrary, it is a wonderful report that outlines in detail the possible biological mechanisms that could be at work when vaccines create auto immunity in some children. It is a research blueprint for the federal health agencies and for industry to do the kinds of scientific studies that need to be done to answer the outstanding question of whether or not vaccines -- the multiple vaccines we're giving our children -- have contributed to the doubling of asthma in the last 20 years in our kids, the doubling of learning disabilities and Attention Deficit Disorder, the tripling of Diabetes, and the increase of autism in every state by 600 percent.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0202/25/ltm.02.html

There are arguments for and against vaccines. There are many horror stories of kids dying after given a vaccine shot. All I say is educate yourseld and make your own decisions and not let others make them for you.

My guess is that Twinkies are more at fault for this stuff than vaccinations! I'm no doctor though.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Let the herd thin itself. :oops:

[Partial]

I think there is some truth in alternative medicine. More people die from doctors than from guns. One of the things we do not do is get our kids vaccinated. My kids never get sick. The only symptoms they have had in the past couple years, and my kids are young, are the runny noses and slight fevers from when there teeth were growing in. That is normal. It may seem wrong not to vaccinate your kids, because every doctor pushes it, but there is a small but growing group that do not do it. We know several families that do not do it, and some that wish they had not done it. America is the most drugged up country in the world. I don't have the statistics in front of me, and wish I did. We produce more than 2/3rds of the drugs in the world, and consume the vast majority of that. I could go on and on, but yeah...I think alternative medicine is not a bad thing. Be smart and go to a doctor when necessary, but also be smart about the care and treatment you get.

Don't you have to be vaccinated for several things in order to go to school?

A lot of research links too much vaccination in a rapid period of time to developing autism. Always make sure your vaccinations are spread out as far apart as possible.

[Partial]

I don't practice any of this silly shit, and I'm 62 years old also (3 months away) and look like I'm 40.

I practice tennis, golf, swimming, jogging (I had given it up because of boredom, but having an IPOD has brought me a resurgence of jogging), and lots and lots of sex.

I eat whatever I damn well please--greasy hamburger, tons of ice cream, lots of non-diet pop, no vegetables, nothing whatsoever that's "lite", fat-free, sugar-free, etc., and I'm healthy as a horse.

There's a lot of bogus propaganda going around about what is and isn't good for you. Much of it results in sacrificing enjoyment of life--which is something far more important than "eating right" or taking or doing weird stuff just because it's the latest fad.

I'm not denying that there are certain medical conditions that really do benefit from real medication, but it is after-the-fact stuff like blood pressure drugs--the only thing I do take, not all this off-the-wall usually phony preventative stuff.

You are healthy as a horse, but you have high blood pressure. :roll:

Like a high-strung thoroughbred.

More like an old nag ready to be made into glue.

The fact that you declare yourself healthy despite high blood pressure..and a diet that contributes to it only proves how ridiculous you are.

Dude, you're whack. What are the numbers on 60 somethings with high blood pressure? Pretty high. All in all he's in great shape and sounds like he's enjoying life. I'd say that's pretty healthy to me.

[LL2]

I think there is some truth in alternative medicine. More people die from doctors than from guns. One of the things we do not do is get our kids vaccinated. My kids never get sick. The only symptoms they have had in the past couple years, and my kids are young, are the runny noses and slight fevers from when there teeth were growing in. That is normal. It may seem wrong not to vaccinate your kids, because every doctor pushes it, but there is a small but growing group that do not do it. We know several families that do not do it, and some that wish they had not done it. America is the most drugged up country in the world. I don't have the statistics in front of me, and wish I did. We produce more than 2/3rds of the drugs in the world, and consume the vast majority of that. I could go on and on, but yeah...I think alternative medicine is not a bad thing. Be smart and go to a doctor when necessary, but also be smart about the care and treatment you get.

Don't you have to be vaccinated for several things in order to go to school?

A lot of research links too much vaccination in a rapid period of time to developing autism. Always make sure your vaccinations are spread out as far apart as possible.

There are legal exemptions, and believe it or not one of them is a religious exemption. Just say it is against your religion and the school has to accept it. Their are doctor exemptions allowed in some states, but you will never find a doctor to sign one. Our family doctor does not enforce vaccinations. You informs you about them and lets you make the choice, but the first pediatrician we took our first kid too said he will not be our doctor if we do not have our kids get vaccinations. So we said "see ya!"

You are right about one thing, if you do give your kids vaccine shots the best thing to do is spread them out. No more than two at a time. When my son was born the doc wanted to give him 6 vaccine shots, and that is a lot of chemicals being pumped into a child that only weighed 6 lbs. I said hell no of course.

[Little Whiskey]

Most doc's in our area won't accept kids that dont' get vaccines.

I wonder if some of these illnesses (autism, Diebieties, ashma) are growing in number, because they are being better diagnosed.

[SkinBasket]

I wonder if some of these illnesses (autism, Diebieties, ashma) are growing in number, because they are being better diagnosed.

And over diagnosed.

It's just as likely these increasing numbers are the result of autism becoming a "spectrum" instead of an actual diagnosis.

I also think it's more likely that any increase in real health problems has more to do with spending decades eating Teflon and the poisons released from the plastic bowls we've been microwaving our food in than from a handful of vaccinations I got as a toddler. I don't know about the rest of you, but Teflon was practically considered a seasoning in our house growing up.

[Partial]

Autism probably isn't being wrongly diagnosed. For starters, most of the time it isn't until the child is older and it is very apparent. I'm not saying it hasn't ever happened, but I cannot envision it happening often.

I don't know about the other two.

[bobblehead]

One IU of HgH a day will pretty much eliminate aches and pains and high blood pressure. It will also eliminate orthopedic surgeries needed due to wear and tear (not injury). Basically your entire health profile will get dramatically better. This isn't "alternative" medicine, it is simply hormone supplementation.

Oops...the US gov't doesn't want us using it for god only knows what reason therefore you can all suffer. If you have enough money you can join cenegenics or find another "anti-aging" doctor who will provide you with it and the required tests.

If I owned an insurance company I would provide EVERY insured person over the age of 35 with this regimen and I would crush all the other insurance companies as my costs disappeared.

[SkinBasket]

Autism probably isn't being wrongly diagnosed. For starters, most of the time it isn't until the child is older and it is very apparent. I'm not saying it hasn't ever happened, but I cannot envision it happening often.

I don't know about the other two.

Believe me, you don't know about the first one either.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I don't practice any of this silly shit, and I'm 62 years old also (3 months away) and look like I'm 40.

I practice tennis, golf, swimming, jogging (I had given it up because of boredom, but having an IPOD has brought me a resurgence of jogging), and lots and lots of sex.

I eat whatever I damn well please--greasy hamburger, tons of ice cream, lots of non-diet pop, no vegetables, nothing whatsoever that's "lite", fat-free, sugar-free, etc., and I'm healthy as a horse.

There's a lot of bogus propaganda going around about what is and isn't good for you. Much of it results in sacrificing enjoyment of life--which is something far more important than "eating right" or taking or doing weird stuff just because it's the latest fad.

I'm not denying that there are certain medical conditions that really do benefit from real medication, but it is after-the-fact stuff like blood pressure drugs--the only thing I do take, not all this off-the-wall usually phony preventative stuff.

You are healthy as a horse, but you have high blood pressure. :roll:

Like a high-strung thoroughbred.

More like an old nag ready to be made into glue.

The fact that you declare yourself healthy despite high blood pressure..and a diet that contributes to it only proves how ridiculous you are.

Dude, you're whack. What are the numbers on 60 somethings with high blood pressure? Pretty high. All in all he's in great shape and sounds like he's enjoying life. I'd say that's pretty healthy to me.

Whack? LOL

The issue isn't the number of 60 somethings that have high blood pressure, it is the fact that he declares himself healthy and has a diet that contributes to high blood pressure. That is plain stupidity.

BTW, your idiotness...about 1/3 of americans have high blood pressure (20 years or older) and it affects blacks way more than whites..percentage wise.

As for your opinion...it means nothing. Remind us again of the 7 things you know about...none of which were health...as witnessed by your fatness.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Most doc's in our area won't accept kids that dont' get vaccines.

I wonder if some of these illnesses (autism, Diebieties, ashma) are growing in number, because they are being better diagnosed.

Perhaps autism....but, diabetes and asthma aren't big determinations.

In fact, children shouldn't have diabetes that much (not type 1). But, with the # of fat children it is growing astronomically.

[Little Whiskey]

with the # of fat children it is growing astronomically.

due to vaccines, or.........????? fill in the blank.

[texaspackerbacker]

I don't practice any of this silly shit, and I'm 62 years old also (3 months away) and look like I'm 40.

I practice tennis, golf, swimming, jogging (I had given it up because of boredom, but having an IPOD has brought me a resurgence of jogging), and lots and lots of sex.

I eat whatever I damn well please--greasy hamburger, tons of ice cream, lots of non-diet pop, no vegetables, nothing whatsoever that's "lite", fat-free, sugar-free, etc., and I'm healthy as a horse.

There's a lot of bogus propaganda going around about what is and isn't good for you. Much of it results in sacrificing enjoyment of life--which is something far more important than "eating right" or taking or doing weird stuff just because it's the latest fad.

I'm not denying that there are certain medical conditions that really do benefit from real medication, but it is after-the-fact stuff like blood pressure drugs--the only thing I do take, not all this off-the-wall usually phony preventative stuff.

You are healthy as a horse, but you have high blood pressure. :roll:

Like a high-strung thoroughbred.

More like an old nag ready to be made into glue.

The fact that you declare yourself healthy despite high blood pressure..and a diet that contributes to it only proves how ridiculous you are.

Dude, you're whack. What are the numbers on 60 somethings with high blood pressure? Pretty high. All in all he's in great shape and sounds like he's enjoying life. I'd say that's pretty healthy to me.

Whack? LOL

The issue isn't the number of 60 somethings that have high blood pressure, it is the fact that he declares himself healthy and has a diet that contributes to high blood pressure. That is plain stupidity.

BTW, your idiotness...about 1/3 of americans have high blood pressure (20 years or older) and it affects blacks way more than whites..percentage wise.

As for your opinion...it means nothing. Remind us again of the 7 things you know about...none of which were health...as witnessed by your fatness.

The point, Tyrone, as your own statistics show, is that high blood pressure--much like shit--HAPPENS. Diet has little or nothing to do with it; Exercise only very marginally affects it. Stress probably does, although that is more speculative common sense than proven fact.

The more important point is that this is one of the areas where our illustrious and maligned pharmaceutical companies have made the most progress. It is the main reason 60-70 used to be considered old, and now is not. Future progress in prescription drugs is in great jeopardy, however, due to the policies connected with Hillary/Obama-care.

Another significant point here is that there are a bunch of myths going around that Tyrone apparently buys into--along with a lot of other Americans--about nutrition, etc. Cholesterol problems, for example, are supposed to be caused by eating fatty foods, dairy products, red meat, etc.--basically all the things that taste the best. I eat all of that; I even over-loaded on greasy food the week before my last cholesterol test; I don't have high cholesterol at all. It is mainly a genetic thing. In that area too, the drug companies have come out with some excellent medications which not only control cholesterol, but do so without harmful side effect. In fact, the positive effects on anti-cholesterol drugs goes well beyond just managing the cholesterol.

Not to get too conspiratorial or political, especially because I don't know who is behind it or for what reason, but good normal Americans are severely propagandized to avoid a lot of delicious food, and to eat like rabbits or damn Europeans or primitive people or whatever.

That's fine with me if somebody wants to eat a bunch of tasteless crud--just so they don't try to inflict their idiocy on the rest of us with taxes and intrusive government crap--example: the proposed 18% tax on non-diet pop in New York state.

[Partial]

Ty. 1/3 of people over 20 have high BP as you say. What percentage over 50? High BP is something found in older people far more frequently than younger people. One would think the son of two doctors would know this basic fact.

Stupid for eating a diet he enjoys? He's over 60. Life is about having fun and living life. From the sounds of it, he's doing just that. I'd rather be super happy, getting laid constantly, eating good foods and have high BP then be miserable and alone like yourself, eating shitty salads, etc.

[Zool]

with the # of fat children it is growing astronomically.

due to vaccines, or.........????? fill in the blank.

The blank is sloth, eating habits and disinterested parents.

"Hey junior, here's your Happy Meal and the TV remote."

[LL2]

For those of you that still strongly support vaccines I thought I would post the link below. It has a report from Katie Couric and information about Gardasil. Spain even stopped using the vaccine. Even the NVIC has stated that Gardasil has resulted in 3 times the number of Emergency Room visits.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/02/19/Katie-Couric-Reports-on-Serious-Vaccine-Issues.aspx

[SkinBasket]

To be fair, Gardasil isn't exactly a MMR booster. That and the "Doctor" who runs the site you got the link from seems to have already formed a rather strong opinion on the vaccine:


The Gardasil vaccine is one of the most blatant deceptions going on in modern medicine.

Combine that with the fact that the National Vaccine Information Center is at odds about the actual link between the adverse reaction reports and the vaccine with both the CDC and the FDA, and you have a very sketchy argument at best.

[MadScientist]

For those of you that still strongly support vaccines I thought I would post the link below. It has a report from Katie Couric and information about Gardasil. Spain even stopped using the vaccine. Even the NVIC has stated that Gardasil has resulted in 3 times the number of Emergency Room visits.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/02/19/Katie-Couric-Reports-on-Serious-Vaccine-Issues.aspx

Instead of looking at a sensationalized piece, look at a real news article:
http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssHealthcareNews/idUSLA56308620090210
which has the following comment about the two girls:

"In both cases, other medical conditions (in the girls) have been observed and are being investigated which could be the cause of the reported events,"

For a more comprehensive look at Gardasil, read the Wiki article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardasil

The data suggests a reasonably safe vaccine.

The original article contains a lot of ranting from the NVIC, which looses all credibility by desperately clinging to the myth regarding vaccines and autism.

[mraynrand]

I'm still trying to recover from the devastating impact of two silicone breast implants. And now I have to hear about the horror, the horror of the vaccine that allows me unbridled sexual freedom - well, except for scabies and fleas, that is.

[Deputy Nutz]

To be fair, Gardasil isn't exactly a MMR booster. That and the "Doctor" who runs the site you got the link from seems to have already formed a rather strong opinion on the vaccine:


The Gardasil vaccine is one of the most blatant deceptions going on in modern medicine.

Combine that with the fact that the National Vaccine Information Center is at odds about the actual link between the adverse reaction reports and the vaccine with both the CDC and the FDA, and you have a very sketchy argument at best.

What the fuck do you know?

[SkinBasket]

To be fair, Gardasil isn't exactly a MMR booster. That and the "Doctor" who runs the site you got the link from seems to have already formed a rather strong opinion on the vaccine:


The Gardasil vaccine is one of the most blatant deceptions going on in modern medicine.

Combine that with the fact that the National Vaccine Information Center is at odds about the actual link between the adverse reaction reports and the vaccine with both the CDC and the FDA, and you have a very sketchy argument at best.

What the fuck do you know?

I vaccinated your mom for the seven year itch last night, so I'm quite knowledgeable.