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texaspackerbacker
01-26-2009, 04:48 PM
I usually don't post articles, and I tend to look down on people who do ....... but this is the exception. This is the Word according to none other than Rush Limbaugh himself.

I post this at moderate personal risk, as Rush does take a couple of jabs at Keynesian economics. There also is the risk that Rush is merely being sarcastic. I doubt that, though, as degree of this subtlety would not be his style.

It sounds like a valid and genuine compromise--very justifiable as the will of the people, based on election results.

I await comments--from the degenerate run-and-hide leftists, from the elitist conservatives, from Harlan (whatever the hell he is these days), and from anybody else who defies or denies labeling.



The Obama-Limbaugh Bipartisan Stimulus Plan of 2009

January 26, 2009



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RUSH: I have a serious proposal to make: the Obama-Limbaugh Stimulus Plan 2009. There is a serious debate in this country as to how best to end the recession. Recessions will end on their own if they're left alone. The average recession will last five months to 11 months. The average recovery from each recession will last six years. What can make the recession worse is the wrong kind of government intervention. The wrong kind of government intervention is precisely what President Obama has proposed. I don't believe that his stimulus plan is a stimulus plan at all. I don't think it's designed to stimulate anything but the Democrat Party. It's designed to repair the power losses from the nineties forward of the Democrat Party and to entrench this party for, quote, unquote, eternal power like Franklin Delano Roosevelt did with his New Deal.

Now, we have Keynesian economists that believe in government spending on shovel-ready projects of all kinds, "infrastructure." Schools, roads, bridges. That's the best way, they think, to stimulate our staggering economy. There are just as many supply-side economists who make an equally persuasive case that tax cuts are the surest and quickest way to create permanent jobs and cause an economy to rebound and recover. The Heritage Foundation can provide those figures from the administrations of JFK, who cut taxes major; from Ronald Reagan who cut taxes; and George Bush 43, who also cut taxes. The blueprint is there. We can consult it. We know what happens when tax rates are cut in a recession. We know that it brings an economy back. There is recent polling that proves the American people are in favor of both of these approaches.

Keynesian, stimulus spending by the government on infrastructure, roads and bridges and the like; and supply-side proposals -- and it's important to remember this, because it is the people's money in either case that's going to be spent here. It's our money. It is not Washington 's. Now, the Rasmussen people have a new poll out, and notwithstanding the media blitz in support of the Obama stimulus plan, most Americans, Rasmussen finds, are skeptical. Rasmussen finds that 59% fear that Congress and the president will increase government spending too much in the next year or two. Only 17% worry that they will cut taxes too much. The American people, in polling, are not certain that the Obama stimulus plan is the way to go, despite what you're hearing from the Drive-By Media.

So it seems to me that there may be an opportunity here and now for genuine compromise and to establish at the same time as this genuine compromise, evidence for how to deal with future recession so that this no longer becomes a matter of partisan debate each time it happens, because recessions are going to happen. My proposal is designed to illustrate once and for all how to deal with them. Congress is currently haggling over how to spend $1 trillion, $1 trillion generated by American taxpayers in the private sector. Congress wants to spend -- think of this now -- $1 trillion that they don't have until you and I go to work and pay taxes. They want to spend this on a stimulus plan. They want to take it out of our pockets and redistribute this money in their way to their constituents and to their make-work projects like schools, roads, bridges, blah, blah, blah.





This does not have to be a divisive issue. It does not have to be in any way, shape, manner, or form a divisive issue. So I have a proposal. As has been noted, elections have consequences. President Obama in the meeting on Friday with House and Senate Republican leaders, Eric Cantor from Virginia in the House proposed a moderate tax cut plan. Obama said, Well, you know, "I won." I'm going to trump you on that. We're not going to do that. Well, where's the bipartisanship, President Obama? There is no bipartisanship in President Obama's plan. President Obama's definition of bipartisanship is when Republicans cave and agree with his plan so he can then claim it's bipartisan. But he's not compromising on anything, here.

Mine is a genuine compromise. So let's look at how the vote came out, shall we? Fifty-three percent of voters in this country -- we'll say, for the sake of this proposal, 53% of Americans -- voted for Obama. Forty-six percent voted for Senator McCain, and 1% voted for wackos. Let's give the remaining 1% to President Obama, so let's say that 54% voted for President Obama and 46% voted for Senator McCain. As a way to bring the country together and at the same time determine the most effective way to deal with recessions, under the Obama-Limbaugh Stimulus Plan of 2009, $540 billion of the one trillion will be spent on infrastructure as defined by President Obama and the Democrats. The remaining $460 billion, or 46% that voted for Senator McCain, will be directed towards tax cuts, as determined by me.

These tax cuts will consist primarily of capital gains tax cuts and corporate tax rate cuts. So Obama gets $540 billion to spend his way. The other people of this country who did not vote for his way get $460 billion spent the way they would like it spent. This is bipartisanship! This is how bipartisanship really works. Okay, Obama wins by a 54-46 majority, so he gets 54% of the trillion bucks. Spend it his way. We get 46% of the trillion bucks to spend our way, and then we compare. Then we see which stimulus actually works and works the fastest, and I will guarantee you that if this plan is adopted, just the announcement that $460 billion will go toward paying for tax cuts, capital gains, and corporate tax rates -- we could throw in some personal income tax rate reduction in order to make sure that the voters don't think it's all about helping the big guys. But we need jobs, do we not?

Who hires people? Businesses! Businesses need tax cuts. The US corporate tax rate is obscene. It is the highest of all industrialized nations. It's 35%. Cut it. Cut it in half. Make the capital gains rate go away for three months, and then get out of the way to see what happens on Wall Street. And once Wall Street starts ticking up 500 points a day, you watch what happens to the rest of the private sector. It will follow right along. This would ensure a bipartisan compromise bill, as Democrats have said that they're always about. It would satisfy the American people's wishes, as polls currently note; and it would also serve as a test, going forward, as to which approach best stimulates the growth of jobs -- and it can be measured side by side. It could be determined where the new jobs are coming from.

And if President Obama would merely say -- if he would merely say -- that he will take this proposal under serious consideration, we would then see the reaction from the financial markets, which tend to be a barometer of the economy go forward. That is, if President Obama said that he thought this compromise proposal was worth his time to look at, the markets could react to that, just the way they did when President Clinton announced that he had reached agreement in principle with Republicans to balance the budget in the nineties. The market reacted positively to that news. Not to a formal bill signing, but to the news. If we have learned anything in recent months, the financial markets more than ever look to Washington for direction.





That's bad. The markets should be looking at the market. But they're not. The markets are looking to Washington . That's where we are. That's what "is" is. So let's float a trial balloon on this compromise. This satisfies every claim and demand of bipartisanship. This satisfies the people who lost the election. Those people are also people for which the president is the president. He's not just the president of the people who elected him. His job, he says, is to get the economy going. This would do it. This would not disenfranchise the people who did not vote for him. And as I say, not only would it work but it would provide a side-by-side test where we could see which part of this stimulus plan does best, or the better, so that the next recession we will know what to do.

The problems Americans face are great, but they are not insurmountable. They never have been insurmountable. There is no reason to get up every day and tell the American people that their future is bleak. There is no reason, as the administration is doing, to depress their hopes. There is no reason to suppress the notion that recovery can happen quickly, because it can, if we work together. In this new era of responsibility, let's use elements of both the Keynesians and the supply-siders to responsibly determine which theory best stimulates our economy -- and if elements of both work, so much the better. We will know. The economy doesn't have to be liberal versus conservative, or Democrat versus Republican.

And it certainly shouldn't be focused on whether or not one party gets reelected. The reason it has is because there is such a division in how the economy is viewed by the two parties. I got a question from a friend just a moment ago when I was talking about the Obamas redecorating the White House, using the same decorator that redecorated the executive suite at Merrill Lynch. Question: "How come taxpayers get so mad at businesses who misspend their money but can't make that connection when Congress misspends their money?" It's a great question. How is it that people that misspend a trillion dollars -- who know how to waste money and lose money faster than anybody -- are thought of as saviors; whereas the people in the private sector, whose job is to generate income for people, are so despised?

And here's the answer. The people, unfortunately in this country today, see themselves benefiting when government overspends. They see the rich getting richer when private sector executives overspend. So the Democrats have foisted, successfully, class envy. The economy need not be right versus left, Republican versus Democrat, but it is because one group wants the economy to be hands off -- government hands off, let the people who make this economy work, let it work. The other belief is that that leads too much inequity, unfairness. Government must choose winners and losers so that nobody's feelings are hurt blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, that's old hat.

The American people are made up of Republicans, Democrats, independents, moderates, whatever they want to call themselves, but our economy doesn't know the difference. Our economy should not be focused on whether or not one party gets reelected. This is about jobs now. This is about jobs. It's about families. It's about solving a real and significant problem. So let us come together as one. The economic crisis is an opportunity to unify all of the people in this country if we just set aside the politics. The leader of the Democrats and the leader of the Republicans (me, according to Obama) can get this done. This will have the overwhelming support of the American people, because it will bring both sides together. The Obama-Limbaugh... Let him call it his. The Obama Stimulus Plan of 2009. Let's stop the acrimony. Let's start solving our problems, together. Why wait one more day?

Harlan Huckleby
01-26-2009, 05:17 PM
jesus christ, tex, can't you provide an executive summary.

texaspackerbacker
01-26-2009, 05:26 PM
jesus christ, tex, can't you provide an executive summary.

That's what I usually do, but this was, after all, RUSH!

OK, he says--I summarize: Round off the popular vote in the election at 54-46% for Obama. Round off the stimulus package at a trillion or so. Assume that the Obama voters prefer spending for Obama-esque programs, and the McCain voters prefer stimulus by tax cutting. The compromise would be: let Obama spend 540 billion--54% on whatever the hell he deems stimulating; Use the other 460 billion--46% for tax cutting. He advocates the bulk of this going to cuts in corporate taxes and upper income Americans who comprise most business owners, as they are the ones creating jobs. That's about it.

Harlan Huckleby
01-26-2009, 05:33 PM
I think the "stimulus package" is just a chance for everybody to fund their pet projects, so everybody votes for it. there is very little "stimulus" about it.

I'm very worried about the future.

I do agree with cuts in corporate taxes. And I think we NEED government paid health care so small business has a fighting chance. That's all I know.

Freak Out
01-26-2009, 05:50 PM
From now on every thread in the RR gets a picture of an American made gas guzzler in it.

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bobblehead
01-26-2009, 06:46 PM
I think the "stimulus package" is just a chance for everybody to fund their pet projects, so everybody votes for it. there is very little "stimulus" about it.

I'm very worried about the future.

I do agree with cuts in corporate taxes. And I think we NEED government paid health care so small business has a fighting chance. That's all I know.

Well said HH, now if only we could turn you on MMGW. Also how about instead of gov't health care, personal high deductible policies and flex savings accts.

If we want infrastructure spending why not something like a coast to coast rail system for shipping. There are trains now that can ship a ton something like 460 miles for a gallon of fuel. Or how about nuclear reactors powering them ala submarines. It would dramatically cut shipping costs and diesel consumption.

Or how about a national initiative to build natural gas fuel stations with a tax CREDIT to stations who put in NG pumps and a CREDIT for car owners who pay to convert their vehicles to flex fuel.

hoosier
01-26-2009, 06:58 PM
jesus christ, tex, can't you provide an executive summary.

That's what I usually do, but this was, after all, RUSH!

OK, he says--I summarize: Round off the popular vote in the election at 54-46% for Obama. Round off the stimulus package at a trillion or so. Assume that the Obama voters prefer spending for Obama-esque programs, and the McCain voters prefer stimulus by tax cutting. The compromise would be: let Obama spend 540 billion--54% on whatever the hell he deems stimulating; Use the other 460 billion--46% for tax cutting. He advocates the bulk of this going to cuts in corporate taxes and upper income Americans who comprise most business owners, as they are the ones creating jobs. That's about it.

How would things have looked if we had applied that popular vote logic to w's executive decisions from 2000-04? :lol:

HowardRoark
01-26-2009, 07:02 PM
Does this fellow, Rush, have a telephone? If so, you should call him and politely explain to him that taxpayers do not have pay for this stuff at all. We merely have to plug in the copy machines and print more money. This guy could learn a lot from you Tex.

He sure sounds like an elitist.


Congress wants to spend -- think of this now -- $1 trillion that they don't have until you and I go to work and pay taxes. They want to spend this on a stimulus plan. They want to take it out of our pockets and redistribute this money in their way to their constituents and to their make-work projects like schools, roads, bridges, blah, blah, blah.

HowardRoark
01-26-2009, 07:05 PM
jesus christ, tex, can't you provide an executive summary.

That's what I usually do, but this was, after all, RUSH!

OK, he says--I summarize: Round off the popular vote in the election at 54-46% for Obama. Round off the stimulus package at a trillion or so. Assume that the Obama voters prefer spending for Obama-esque programs, and the McCain voters prefer stimulus by tax cutting. The compromise would be: let Obama spend 540 billion--54% on whatever the hell he deems stimulating; Use the other 460 billion--46% for tax cutting. He advocates the bulk of this going to cuts in corporate taxes and upper income Americans who comprise most business owners, as they are the ones creating jobs. That's about it.

How would things have looked if we had applied that popular vote logic to w's executive decisions from 2000-04? :lol:

We would let 49.99% of the people get bombed by terrorists.

texaspackerbacker
01-26-2009, 07:40 PM
jesus christ, tex, can't you provide an executive summary.

That's what I usually do, but this was, after all, RUSH!

OK, he says--I summarize: Round off the popular vote in the election at 54-46% for Obama. Round off the stimulus package at a trillion or so. Assume that the Obama voters prefer spending for Obama-esque programs, and the McCain voters prefer stimulus by tax cutting. The compromise would be: let Obama spend 540 billion--54% on whatever the hell he deems stimulating; Use the other 460 billion--46% for tax cutting. He advocates the bulk of this going to cuts in corporate taxes and upper income Americans who comprise most business owners, as they are the ones creating jobs. That's about it.

How would things have looked if we had applied that popular vote logic to w's executive decisions from 2000-04? :lol:

Actually, in some ways, we might have been better off--so much worthwhile legislation was left on the cutting room floor because of the need for 60 votes to cloture Dem obstruction with filibusters.

On the other hand, the 49.99-50.01 thing might have shot down the War on Terror and the tax cuts.

You know, the x factor here is the God damned America-hating leftist mainstream media--which in 2000, 2004, and especially 2008, not to mention 2006, horribly skewed the election results by hoodwinking a bunch of decent right-thinking people into voting for candidates who weren't representative of their core views and values.

It's all fun and games and conjecture--right up until the time Obama's deviation from Bush's anti-terrorism policies gets a few thousand--or maybe a few million--killed.