Did Mike Sherman actually hit on a draft pick?

[packers04]

anyone remember Chris Johnson CB from the 7th round that we picked? really fast guy but real raw? well he started for the raiders most of last year and now their looking to lock him up to a longer term deal. That's crazy.... Just goes to show you that players do develop after a few years of seasoning, coaching, and maturity.

[Fritz]

You sure it's the same guy?

Next thing you know, BJ Sander and Donnell Washington will be signing long-term deals!

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I remember there was a cb ranking list that was posted here a couple weeks ago, they had him rated in the top ten of the league. It only took him eight years or so to develop. :roll:

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

BTW, sherman did have some good picks in the late rounds:

Wells
Kampman
Williams
Chris Johnson?

[rbaloha1]

anyone remember Chris Johnson CB from the 7th round that we picked? really fast guy but real raw? well he started for the raiders most of last year and now their looking to lock him up to a longer term deal. That's crazy.... Just goes to show you that players do develop after a few years of seasoning, coaching, and maturity.

Yes it is. Recall the dude returned either a punt or kickoff for td while with the Rams. CJ has tremendous speed but misuses it.

[rbaloha1]

Good Sherman Draft Picks

Aaron Kampman
Nick Barnett
Scott Wells
Corey Williams

Good Free Agent Pickups/Trades

Al Harris
Ahman Green
Cullen Jenkins

[cpk1994]

Mike Sherman proves the old adage true: "Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once!"

[mraynrand]

Good Sherman Draft Picks

Aaron Kampman
Nick Barnett
Scott Wells
Corey Williams

Good Free Agent Pickups/Trades

Al Harris
Ahman Green
Cullen Jenkins

Shermy only gets partial credit for Green. Wolf was GM in 2000 - Sherman as the new coach and former Sea OC had seen Green, probably put in his two cents, but that's Wolf's deal.

Gravy Jackson was a good pickup by Shermy too. Solidified the D-line after the disasters with Reynolds, Joe Johnson, and 'Ole Cleedeeus.

[bobblehead]

BTW, sherman did have some good picks in the late rounds:

Wells
Kampman
Williams
Chris Johnson?

Mark Hatley made those picks...sherman stood by and nodded sagely.

[mraynrand]

BTW, sherman did have some good picks in the late rounds:

Wells
Kampman
Williams
Chris Johnson?

Mark Hatley made those picks...sherman stood by and nodded off sagely.

corrected

http://www.dack.com/images/weblog/mike-sherman-sleeping.jpg

[texaspackerbacker]

STILL a lot of Sherman-hate around here.

I wonder, statistically, how the Sheman-haters correlate with the Thompson-haters. Both are about equally irrational IMO.

[packers11]

you guys forgot Javon Walker...

He was a stud for that 1 year in GB and was awesome that 1 year in Denver... If it wasn't for injuries he would be a top 10 receiver...

[red]

come on guys

this is the raiders we're talking about here

they think everyone is worth blockbuster money

[Joemailman]

BTW, sherman did have some good picks in the late rounds:

Wells
Kampman
Williams
Chris Johnson?

Mark Hatley made those picks...sherman stood by and nodded sagely.

So then does Hatley also get the credit for Ahmad Carroll, Donnell Washington and B.J. Sander?

[rbaloha1]

you guys forgot Javon Walker...

He was a stud for that 1 year in GB and was awesome that 1 year in Denver... If it wasn't for injuries he would be a top 10 receiver...

Yes. Good pick.

[rbaloha1]

BTW, sherman did have some good picks in the late rounds:

Wells
Kampman
Williams
Chris Johnson?

Mark Hatley made those picks...sherman stood by and nodded sagely.

Dictator Sherman made the final call and deserves credit for a handful of wonderful picks and a cave full of horrible picks along with trading away picks.

[Gunakor]

STILL a lot of Sherman-hate around here.

I wonder, statistically, how the Sheman-haters correlate with the Thompson-haters. Both are about equally irrational IMO.

Yeah, except looking at things now, TT has a record of about .500 as the GM of an NFL franchise who recently hosted an NFC Championship Game, while Sherman has a record far below .500 with a middle tier college team because he couldn't win more than a couple of playoff games in his entire career as GM/HC. And you can't use the "Well Brett took this team to the NFCCG..." arguement because Sherman had Favre the whole time and didn't win squat.

Thompson >>>> Sherman is the biggest understatement of the year.

[cpk1994]

STILL a lot of Sherman-hate around here.

I wonder, statistically, how the Sheman-haters correlate with the Thompson-haters. Both are about equally irrational IMO.

Yeah, except looking at things now, TT has a record of about .500 as the GM of an NFL franchise who recently hosted an NFC Championship Game, while Sherman has a record far below .500 with a middle tier college team because he couldn't win more than a couple of playoff games in his entire career as GM/HC. And you can't use the "Well Brett took this team to the NFCCG..." arguement because Sherman had Favre the whole time and didn't win squat.

Thompson >>>> Sherman is the biggest understatement of the year.Sherman was 57- 39 as HC. As GM he was 44-27. However, he took a talent laden squad and totaly destroyed the team depth by making trades like a 5th & 6th for R-Cal Truluck. Based on record Sherman has the edge right now. However the measuring stick that is the standard in the NFL is playoff games. TT -1 NFC title game. Sherman-0. You ask any expert and they will agree that TT is better than Sherman.

[Gunakor]

STILL a lot of Sherman-hate around here.

I wonder, statistically, how the Sheman-haters correlate with the Thompson-haters. Both are about equally irrational IMO.

Yeah, except looking at things now, TT has a record of about .500 as the GM of an NFL franchise who recently hosted an NFC Championship Game, while Sherman has a record far below .500 with a middle tier college team because he couldn't win more than a couple of playoff games in his entire career as GM/HC. And you can't use the "Well Brett took this team to the NFCCG..." arguement because Sherman had Favre the whole time and didn't win squat.

Thompson >>>> Sherman is the biggest understatement of the year.Sherman was 57- 39 as HC. As GM he was 44-27. However, he took a talent laden squad and totaly destroyed the team depth by making trades like a 5th & 6th for R-Cal Truluck. Based on record Sherman has the edge right now. However the measuring stick that is the standard in the NFL is playoff games. TT -1 NFC title game. Sherman-0. You ask any expert and they will agree that TT is better than Sherman.

Sherman also had an edge in talent. He began his tenure with a roster stocked with Ron Wolf pickups and a fairly healthy team payroll. Thompson began his tenure with a roster full of Mike Sherman pickups, outrageous Mike Sherman contract extensions for players who didn't deserve them, and about $5 under the cap to play with. Sherman didn't exactly start from scratch like Thompson did, because he wasn't the HC during a transition period.

I should hope that Sherman or anyone else in a situation similar to what Sherman was in would have a better regular season record than Thompson or anyone else facing a situation similar to what he first walked into here in Green Bay.

But, as you noted, the real measurement of a HC/GM is playoff performance. And Thompson has already eclipsed Sherman in that regard, with a nearly completely different roster than Sherman had for 5 years as our GM. And there's no reason to believe that Thompson's group won't continue improve, given the youth of the team and the quality of coaches they now have. If you can't get excited for this team right now...

[cpk1994]

Sherman also had an edge in talent. He began his tenure with a roster stocked with Ron Wolf pickups and a fairly healthy team payroll. Thompson began his tenure with a roster full of Mike Sherman pickups, outrageous Mike Sherman contract extensions for players who didn't deserve them, and about $5 under the cap to play with. Sherman didn't exactly start from scratch like Thompson did, because he wasn't the HC during a transition period.

I should hope that Sherman or anyone else in a situation similar to what Sherman was in would have a better regular season record than Thompson or anyone else facing a situation similar to what he first walked into here in Green Bay.

But, as you noted, the real measurement of a HC/GM is playoff performance. And Thompson has already eclipsed Sherman in that regard, with a nearly completely different roster than Sherman had for 5 years as our GM. And there's no reason to believe that Thompson's group won't continue improve, given the youth of the team and the quality of coaches they now have. If you can't get excited for this team right now...

You've got me excited about the team with just this post. I can't wait for the season.

[Fritz]

STILL a lot of Sherman-hate around here.

I wonder, statistically, how the Sheman-haters correlate with the Thompson-haters. Both are about equally irrational IMO.

Yeah, except looking at things now, TT has a record of about .500 as the GM of an NFL franchise who recently hosted an NFC Championship Game, while Sherman has a record far below .500 with a middle tier college team because he couldn't win more than a couple of playoff games in his entire career as GM/HC. And you can't use the "Well Brett took this team to the NFCCG..." arguement because Sherman had Favre the whole time and didn't win squat.

Thompson >>>> Sherman is the biggest understatement of the year.Sherman was 57- 39 as HC. As GM he was 44-27. However, he took a talent laden squad and totaly destroyed the team depth by making trades like a 5th & 6th for R-Cal Truluck. Based on record Sherman has the edge right now. However the measuring stick that is the standard in the NFL is playoff games. TT -1 NFC title game. Sherman-0. You ask any expert and they will agree that TT is better than Sherman.

Good ol' R-Cal.

Boy, ol' Sherm was opposite of TT in terms of draft philosophy, huh? He threw draft picks around the way offensive linemen threw R-Cal around.

[KYPack]

Good ol' R-Cal.

Boy, ol' Sherm was opposite of TT in terms of draft philosophy, huh? He threw draft picks around the way offensive linemen threw R-Cal around.

R-Kal Truluck. That's when I realized Sherman was in over his head. Giving up TWO picks for a guy that was going to be cut in a couple days anyway.

If I was Harlan, I definitely would have taken GM away from MS with the BJ Sander debacle. Trading UP to get a punter who wouldn't have been drafted by anybody?

Sherm was a pretty good coach. Harlan named him GM to stick it to Holmgren. They should have gotten Sherm a Mark Hatley type guy (or replaced Hatley after he died on the job) to work with him.

[Zool]

Our-Gal Yousuck....I dont miss him in the least.

[cpk1994]

Our-Gal Yousuck....I dont miss him in the least.

:lol: :lol:

[Bretsky]

Mike Sherman hit on plenty of picks; his downfall was packaging picks together when there was no need to

[MateoInMex]

you guys forgot Javon Walker...

He was a stud for that 1 year in GB and was awesome that 1 year in Denver... If it wasn't for injuries he would be a top 10 receiver...

Javon Walker is Can't Get Right, because he never got it. Even after 2 huge paydays, he still never got it. Loads of talent, nothing between the ears. Has no heart, still complained about 7 million dollars for 1 performing season. Compared being a WR to a soldier in war. He had little between the ears, including mishaps on jetskis while contract prohibited so. Wasted pick.

[MateoInMex]

you guys forgot Javon Walker...

He was a stud for that 1 year in GB and was awesome that 1 year in Denver... If it wasn't for injuries he would be a top 10 receiver...

Javon Walker is Can't Get Right, because he never got it. Even after 2 huge paydays, he still never got it. Loads of talent, nothing between the ears. Has no heart, still complained about 7 million dollars for 1 performing season. Compared being a WR to a soldier in war. Mishaps on jetskis while contract prohibited so one of several problems many had with this guy. Wasted pick.

[MateoInMex]

STILL a lot of Sherman-hate around here.

I wonder, statistically, how the Sheman-haters correlate with the Thompson-haters. Both are about equally irrational IMO.

WOW..BIG SURPRISE HERE. You did manage to get through a post without using the word liberal scum...so props for all that.