Son of Packers coach charged with sexual assault

[Jimx29]

Son of Packers coach charged with sexual assault

Updated: 2/26/2009 2:17:02 PM


GREEN BAY (AP) - An 18-year-old Green Bay man who is the son of Packers offensive coordinator Joe Philbin was charged Thursday with sexual assault and battery.

Michael T. Philbin pleaded not guilty in his initial appearance. He faces two counts of having sex with a child over the age of 16 and two counts of battery - all misdemeanors. Each count carries a maximum fine of $10,000 and nine months in jail, if convicted.

Philbin's lawyer did not immediately return a call or e-mail seeking comment.

The court clerk's office said a pretrial hearing is scheduled for March 13.

The criminal complaint alleges Philbin had nonconsensual sex with two females who said they were drunk at his Brown County home the night of Aug. 21.

The state Department of Justice is prosecuting the case following an investigation by the Green Bay Police Department.

http://www.leadertelegram.com/story-news.asp?id=BJABD42OILH

[KYPack]

Should these charges have been bought?

Philbin had nonconsensual sex with two females who said they were drunk at his Brown County home the night of Aug. 21.

Two of em?

They were so drunk they couldn't stop him, er what?

6 months ago?

This kid's life is half assed ruined. These prosecuters should have a conscience themselves.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Should these charges have been bought?

Philbin had nonconsensual sex with two females who said they were drunk at his Brown County home the night of Aug. 21.

Two of em?

They were so drunk they couldn't stop him, er what?

6 months ago?

This kid's life is half assed ruined. These prosecuters should have a conscience themselves.

Yeah, blame the prosecutor and the two girls. :roll:

[sheepshead]

I've been hearing more of these types of things lately. Much goes unreported. HGH, youporn and redbull & jager makes a bad combination I think.

You have a year in Illinois I think to turn a guy in. This happens, they collect evidence, some weeks later the girl comes to grips with what happens and files a complaint.

[mission]

It always seems like a great idea at the time ... :oops:

[Fritz]

Let me be the first to mention Mark Chmura.

[falco]

This kid's life is half assed ruined.

agreed...much more difficult to overcome a rape charge than actually being raped :roll:

it was hard enough to get through your posts when I only thought of you as pretentious

[3irty1]

Do those charges seem a little light to anyone else? Nonconcentual sex (rape) and battery (violence) of two minors?!

[falco]

read Bedard's blog on JSO - has a few more details on the situation.

[Freak Out]

Do those charges seem a little light to anyone else? Nonconcentual sex (rape) and battery (violence) of two minors?!

Johnnie hit and run Pauline.

[Joemailman]

Philbin was 17 when it occurred. That might make a difference. Then again, I'm no lawyer.

[MadtownPacker]

The guy is fucking 17 going on 18 when this shit happened. Those 16 yr olds girls where all up on a Packer coach son drunk and wanna cry rape. Not saying it aint true but I have my doubts so lets stop the fucking outcry over some young "ladies" who had no prob getting all fucked up and heading off with some dude at night. If it aint true I hope them and the girls parents get charged with something.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Philbin was 17 when it occurred. That might make a difference. Then again, I'm no lawyer.

why is info about a minor released to the press?

[MadtownPacker]

Philbin was 17 when it occurred. That might make a difference. Then again, I'm no lawyer.

why is info about a minor released to the press?He is likely not being charged as a minor you lame hippy POS.

[Joemailman]

The info that he was 17 at the time of the alleged incident was in Bedard's blog. Not sure the prosecutor released that information.

[digitaldean]

It was on the local GB news tonight there were 2 criminal complaints.

One girl said she was held down by another male teen after she said no to Philbin's request for a sex act. When she was held down Philbin had sex with her.

2nd girl was taken to the master bedroom and passed out. When she came to, Philbin was having sex with her.

Nothing was stated about the other male teen involved in this.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

The guy is fucking 17 going on 18 when this shit happened. Those 16 yr olds girls where all up on a Packer coach son drunk and wanna cry rape. Not saying it aint true but I have my doubts so lets stop the fucking outcry over some young "ladies" who had no prob getting all fucked up and heading off with some dude at night. If it aint true I hope them and the girls parents get charged with something.

Before you start talking, you should get the facts. Young Mr. Philbin held a party at his parents house..with booze..which is against the law.

He and a friend took advantage of two young ladies who were too drunk to even know what was going on...including having sex with one that was passed out and "alleged that after Philbin helped her to the bed in the master bedroom, he undressed her and “performed an act of sexual intercourse on her without her consent.”"

These ladies hardly cooperated...unless you count being passed out as cooperative.

[MadtownPacker]

Before you start talking, you should get the facts. Young Mr. Philbin held a party at his parents house..with booze..which is against the law.

He and a friend took advantage of two young ladies who were too drunk to even know what was going on...including having sex with one that was passed out and "alleged that after Philbin helped her to the bed in the master bedroom, he undressed her and “performed an act of sexual intercourse on her without her consent.”"

These ladies hardly cooperated...unless you count being passed out as cooperative.Wow, you are always so smart. We should just ask you everything so we can be intelligent too. It is so difficult living each day as an idiot.

And since when do people remember shit when they are passed out??

BTW - STFU with you PC behavior. I would bet you did some date rape shit in your time.

[falco]

BTW - STFU with you PC behavior. I would bet you did some date rape shit in your time.

hey tyrone has to get laid too

ps mad you way out of line homey

[digitaldean]

All I know is, if this goes badly for Philbin's kid, it opens up another whole mess for Joe Philbin.... meaning a lawsuit.

If the kid was underage at the time of the alleged assault, then the parents are legally responsible. I'm just saying that if my kids had a beer party at my house and something illegal happened or some harm took place to one of the people in the party, it's my butt that would be in a sling. If he was 18, it would be the "kid's" since he is legally an adult.

Sexual assault is all too prevalent...unfortunately, false accusations, in the long run, end up harming those who were truly assaulted.

FYI, the charges will amount to 3 years in prison if the max. is applied (if he is found guilty on all counts - 2 counts of battery, 2 counts of nonconsensual sex).

Regardless if these are true or false accusations, the levity attached to rape in this thread is pretty disgusting. I would attach false accusations of rape at the same level of the act of rape itself.

[KYPack]

This kid's life is half assed ruined.

agreed...much more difficult to overcome a rape charge than actually being raped :roll:

it was hard enough to get through your posts when I only thought of you as pretentious

Anything you say, Falco.

"pretentious", eh.

Have to remember that shit.

I think the prosecutor is being "badge heavy". The preliminary facts would indicate gross sexual imposition or similar charges. I'm not saying this kid was an innocent lamb, but this case seems less than rape by the intial stating of the facts.

[mission]

I always thought of KY as the cooler older dude who partied a lot in college -- now fat and married in Kentucky, voting Republican -- and knows a lot about linemen.

Not pretentious. That's more likely me.

:D

[SnakeLH2006]

Let me be the first to mention Mark Chmura.

Not to defend Chuey, but with all the media Gilbert Brown got, perhaps the post SuperBowl Burger King advertising campaign went straight to Chuey's head.
http://www.thrillist.com/pics/trytheanus.jpg

[Fritz]

I always thought of KY as the cooler older dude who partied a lot in college -- now fat and married in Kentucky, voting Republican -- and knows a lot about linemen.

Not pretentious. That's more likely me.

:D

You look closely at that avatar, you may see the hair being drawn back...KY may have a big ol' gray or white ponytail, too.

Never saw KY as pretentious, either. A cool, smart old coot who scares the crap outta the grandbabies when he squints at 'em, thought they know he loves 'em. He keeps a wad o' chaw in his cheek, too. Wife gets on him for that, I bet.

He's got a sh_tload of trophies from back in the day, but they're thrown in boxes in his basement or out in the pole barn somewhere.

[falco]

well, my gut feeling is to stand by my initial assessment, but if fritz and mission both say I am wrong, then perhaps I should rethink my position...

not apologizing KYPack, just letting you know I'm looking at you with an open mind now... :)

[falco]

ps maybe i misused the word pretentious? i think i know what it means, but i could be wrong.

[Fritz]

...and Falco stands up like a man.

BTW KY, not sure I can agree with your take.

And you, Mad - Tyrone pointing out that screwing a passed-out woman is rape is not "PC." It's basic humanity. Don't you remember that when you were a young buck and tried to get a girl drunk it was so she'd loosen up and want to get nasty? It wasn't so she'd pass out and not know what the hell you were doing.

And besides that, how flippin' sick and stupid is that, to do that sort of thing? Having sex with an unconscious person? That's not even sex - it's masturbation. You might as well just buy a blow up doll, for crying out loud.

[Patler]

I am judging neither the accused nor the reported victims in this situation, there is simply too much left unknown at this point. However, some random thoughts:

- Every parent's nightmare when leaving your nearly adult child alone for the weekend.
- Let's not automatically assume that the facts alleged in the complaint are true.
- OTOH, there are teenage males out there with screwed up views on sex.
- This wouldn't be the first time teenage males have forced themselves on someone.
- This would not be the first time a remorseful but willing girl tried to blame the guy.
- Finally, whoever is really at fault here has damaged the other for life. If the guys did what is alleged, there is no excuse for it. If the girls are falsely accusing the guys because they regret their willing participation, they will have branded these boys for life.

Whichever way it is, it is a truly regrettable situation.

[KYPack]

ps maybe i misused the word pretentious? i think i know what it means, but i could be wrong.


pretentious...

1. Claiming or demanding a position of distinction or merit, especially when unjustified.
2. Making or marked by an extravagant outward show; ostentatious.
3. A jerk-off who thinks he or she is hot shit.

IOW, the one adjective that would light me up like a pinball machine. On PR we've all been called everything by now. I might have called some of others pretentious or something, but boy, I sure didn't like it when it pertained to me.

Thanks for the support fellas, I thought that shit was wrong mesself.

Well Falco, you didn't apologize, but the explanation was sufficient. I'll cancel my plans to draft your "receipt".

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Before you start talking, you should get the facts. Young Mr. Philbin held a party at his parents house..with booze..which is against the law.

He and a friend took advantage of two young ladies who were too drunk to even know what was going on...including having sex with one that was passed out and "alleged that after Philbin helped her to the bed in the master bedroom, he undressed her and “performed an act of sexual intercourse on her without her consent.”"

These ladies hardly cooperated...unless you count being passed out as cooperative.Wow, you are always so smart. We should just ask you everything so we can be intelligent too. It is so difficult living each day as an idiot.

And since when do people remember shit when they are passed out??

BTW - STFU with you PC behavior. I would bet you did some date rape shit in your time.

Why would you ask me about living life as an idiot..when you have firsthand experience?

Passed out: Some do, some don't.

Date rape: I don't find that funny in the least bit...and at best it is a terrible thing to associate anyone with.

[GrnBay007]

pretentious...

1. Claiming or demanding a position of distinction or merit, especially when unjustified.
2. Making or marked by an extravagant outward show; ostentatious.
3. A jerk-off who thinks he or she is hot shit.



....well, you do strut around in that fancy white suit. :P

[KYPack]

pretentious...

1. Claiming or demanding a position of distinction or merit, especially when unjustified.
2. Making or marked by an extravagant outward show; ostentatious.
3. A jerk-off who thinks he or she is hot shit.



....well, you do strut around in that fancy white suit. :P

Ya got me there, double O.

No red socks, tho.

That would be pretentious.

[MadtownPacker]

And you, Mad - Tyrone pointing out that screwing a passed-out woman is rape is not "PC." It's basic humanity. Don't you remember that when you were a young buck and tried to get a girl drunk it was so she'd loosen up and want to get nasty? It wasn't so she'd pass out and not know what the hell you were doing.

And besides that, how flippin' sick and stupid is that, to do that sort of thing? Having sex with an unconscious person? That's not even sex - it's masturbation. You might as well just buy a blow up doll, for crying out loud.Screwing a passed out woman aint what Im talking about. It is the instant taking of the accusers side BS that is sickening. This aint a grown man who got with a young chick. It is some stupid kids and someone is lying. Why is it surely the boy? I do remember getting drunk with young hens but they knew what was up and if any passed out the worse they got was their hair cut off or sharpie writing on their face. Now go look in the mirror and remember something bad you have done you guilty SOB.

[MadtownPacker]

I am judging neither the accused nor the reported victims in this situation, there is simply too much left unknown at this point. However, some random thoughts:

- Every parent's nightmare when leaving your nearly adult child alone for the weekend.
- Let's not automatically assume that the facts alleged in the complaint are true.
- OTOH, there are teenage males out there with screwed up views on sex.
- This wouldn't be the first time teenage males have forced themselves on someone.
- This would not be the first time a remorseful but willing girl tried to blame the guy.
- Finally, whoever is really at fault here has damaged the other for life. If the guys did what is alleged, there is no excuse for it. If the girls are falsely accusing the guys because they regret their willing participation, they will have branded these boys for life.

Whichever way it is, it is a truly regrettable situation.Funny how Patler says things in a nice White way and you bitch ass MFers dont say shit to him. But he is basically saying the same thing I am. Nothing against you Patler I think this post is excellent and i totally agree.

[MadtownPacker]

Why would you ask me about living life as an idiot..when you have firsthand experience?

Passed out: Some do, some don't.

Date rape: I don't find that funny in the least bit...and at best it is a terrible thing to associate anyone with.Yes I do have firsthand experience, lots of it. Scars and crashed cars are just some of the proof. Unlike you I can admit i have faults.

Daterape aint funny and if that turns out to be true then punish the kid but you have already decided to castrate him before he even steps into a courtroom. I know a dude that is registered sex offender because he fucked his high school sweetie when both where teens and now have to spend the rest of his life with that stigma cuz her parents charged him. Is that justice?

[falco]

Now go look in the mirror and remember something bad you have done you guilty SOB.

hey, don't talk to fritz like that he is one of the best (if not the best) poster on the board.

if i leave, no big loss, but if fritz leaves this place is worse off

[falco]

just think about that girl in cheech's car - if it wasn't for that damn zipper he would have been all over that

[falco]

ps, thanks for the definition kypack, that is what i thought it meant.

[Patler]

The guy is fucking 17 going on 18 when this shit happened. Those 16 yr olds girls where all up on a Packer coach son drunk and wanna cry rape. Not saying it aint true but I have my doubts so lets stop the fucking outcry over some young "ladies" who had no prob getting all fucked up and heading off with some dude at night. If it aint true I hope them and the girls parents get charged with something.

Before you start talking, you should get the facts. Young Mr. Philbin held a party at his parents house..with booze..which is against the law.

He and a friend took advantage of two young ladies who were too drunk to even know what was going on...including having sex with one that was passed out and "alleged that after Philbin helped her to the bed in the master bedroom, he undressed her and “performed an act of sexual intercourse on her without her consent.”"

These ladies hardly cooperated...unless you count being passed out as cooperative.

Tyrone;

Perhaps we all should wait for the facts before we judge. You have criticized Mad for simply questioning what happened, yet you are willing to condemn these boys when the full story is not known. Only one version has been given. How do you know what the real facts are? Are the things you identified as facts really facts just because they appear in a criminal complaint? There are literally hundreds of subsequently exonerated convicts who will disagree with that.

That is why we have trials, and why both sides are allowed to present their witnesses and testimony. Sometimes prosecutors have it completely wrong. More often I believe they have it right, or at least close to right, but not always. Sometimes prosecutors get carried away going after someone famous or semi-famous in an attempt to show they are fair and not giving "breaks" to anyone. Sometimes the famous and semi-famous think they can and should get away with things others do not.

There are many sides to be heard. Let's wait to hear them while acknowledging that whoever is the wrong-doer deserves to be punished.

[Patler]

Funny how Patler says things in a nice White way and you bitch ass MFers dont say shit to him. But he is basically saying the same thing I am. Nothing against you Patler I think this post is excellent and i totally agree.

Are you assuming for some reason that I am white? Interesting....

[Fritz]

And you, Mad - Tyrone pointing out that screwing a passed-out woman is rape is not "PC." It's basic humanity. Don't you remember that when you were a young buck and tried to get a girl drunk it was so she'd loosen up and want to get nasty? It wasn't so she'd pass out and not know what the hell you were doing.

And besides that, how flippin' sick and stupid is that, to do that sort of thing? Having sex with an unconscious person? That's not even sex - it's masturbation. You might as well just buy a blow up doll, for crying out loud.Screwing a passed out woman aint what Im talking about. It is the instant taking of the accusers side BS that is sickening. This aint a grown man who got with a young chick. It is some stupid kids and someone is lying. Why is it surely the boy? I do remember getting drunk with young hens but they knew what was up and if any passed out the worse they got was their hair cut off or sharpie writing on their face. Now go look in the mirror and remember something bad you have done you guilty SOB.

Well, alright then. If you're pissed that people seem to be judging the young guy before anybody really knows, I'm with you. But the way I read your post, that wasn't what you were on about. You go back and read those posts, you mad man, and I think you'll see that it looks like you're defending the idea of getting it on with a passed out woman.

But if it's about innocent until proven guilty, then hell yeah. You are correct.

[pbmax]

Misunderstood post I was responding to, please move along.

[GrnBay007]

Plea coming: The attorney for Michael Philbin, the 18-year-old son of offensive coordinator Joe Philbin, has asked for a plea/sentencing hearing at which his client is expected to change his not-guilty plea to the four charges that stemmed from two alleged sexual assaults.



So there you have it.......things may have not gone down exactly as alleged in the complaint, but it was definitely enough evidence for the boy to not take a chance on a trial and take a plea.

Maybe he took the plea to avoid being labeled a sex offender for life had he lost in trial?

Doesn't matter....if he doesn't change his ways (seriously) it will catch up with him at some point.

[MadtownPacker]

Funny how Patler says things in a nice White way and you bitch ass MFers dont say shit to him. But he is basically saying the same thing I am. Nothing against you Patler I think this post is excellent and i totally agree.

Are you assuming for some reason that I am white? Interesting....Well if you arent, dont let these rednecks know or they will suddenly doubt everything you say and try to imprison you. :lol:

Serio? You aint a gabacho?

[KYPack]

Plea coming: The attorney for Michael Philbin, the 18-year-old son of offensive coordinator Joe Philbin, has asked for a plea/sentencing hearing at which his client is expected to change his not-guilty plea to the four charges that stemmed from two alleged sexual assaults.



So there you have it.......things may have not gone down exactly as alleged in the complaint, but it was definitely enough evidence for the boy to not take a chance on a trial and take a plea.

Maybe he took the plea to avoid being labeled a sex offender for life had he lost in trial?

Doesn't matter....if he doesn't change his ways (seriously) it will catch up with him at some point.

When this thread was started, I thought they were gonna bring felony rape charges on the kid. They charged him with misdemeanor sex charges which are about right. The kid did wrong and he will cop to the appropriate punishment. The boy needs help, fer sure.

The two females weren't innocent little lambs, but the boys took advantage big time.

I think the thing worked out in the long run.