SnakeLH2006
03-12-2009, 01:09 AM
So the debate in the last thread about TWill's wanting a new contract broke into a spirited debate over the age-old taboo of signing exclusive rights FA's (guys with 1 or 2 years in the league) to long term deals, when Ryan Grant's name came up. POLL TIME! :D
So, Snake's not alone in never being a big fan of the Grant contract not because of his 2008 production (although he has underwhelmed expectations since 2007), but because we gave him a quite a bit of cash (#13 highest paid RB) for very little on the resume at the time (his 2007 games)...without having to break the bank (and esp. without buying out of few FA years).
Many point to his production in 2008 as steady, sobeit. Many have been adverse to this signing since day 1...Everyone has an opinion. That's cool. His contract is not terrible, but it is what it is. Don't turn this into a Ryan Grant thread unless directly comparing the two, please...ThanX. TWill has done a ton more in 2 years in showing future ability, than Grant did in his first year in GB when he got that deal.
The problem was this set a precedent for other players who perform early in GB. TWill comes to mind.
Waldo made some excellent statistical analysis' as to TWill's strengths:
He also made a lot of plays.
He ranked #20 in the NFL in passes broken up. With Wood and Nick ahead of him, only 17 other teams in the NFL had any DB break up more passes than him.
He ranked #6 in the NFL in interceptions, by far the most of any nickel CB.
He ranked #17 in the NFL (tied with a lot of guys) in FF's
Overall he ranked #7 in the NFL in forced turnovers.
While it's true that TWill DOES need to hone some finer points to be compared to Wood or Al right now, he's 24 (and all the talent in the world), yet they are both getting older by the minute and Al is 35 this year. Yikes. I'd put my money on the 24 year old while we can.
I wouldn't be mad at all if TT signed TWill to a 5 year deal for $20 million, as of right now, he's probably capable of starting for several NFL teams at CB. Some detract TWill's mistakes, but he does have playmaking ability, awesome speed, seems to be a bright kid with team-first mentality, and plays some nuts ST with his returning ability (which many forget).
This isn't about Grant, but I'd rather pay this kid than Grant anyday (and that was the day we signed Grant, but didn't have to)....We don't have to pay TWill either, but damn, in 2 years if the the NFL labor deal stays the same he'll be UFA and you think he'll want to play for anything less than $8 or more a year if he keeps progressing (with the CB market going insane)? I doubt it. He'd laugh off a 3 year/$6million deal for sure (as some have said, "let him rot" if not), and I'd too, if I was him or his agent. It's ok to have that opinion, as I'm just curious as to what the masses of PackerRats think about his talent/potential contract.
This kid is one of the most talented young player on our roster by far, so if it didn't work out, 5 years, $20 million, would be ok to burn, as he would only get maybe half of it after 2 years and bonuses. But in 2 years, what would you expect to be our starting CB's? Al..definitely not, Wood...maybe, but prob. at safety.
Your call though. I'd like a deece deal for 5 years, $20 million with the expectation he starts by next year. He's happy, we are happy we don't have a sieve at CB if something happens in 2009 or 2010...Al won't be here much longer... :cry:
So, Snake's not alone in never being a big fan of the Grant contract not because of his 2008 production (although he has underwhelmed expectations since 2007), but because we gave him a quite a bit of cash (#13 highest paid RB) for very little on the resume at the time (his 2007 games)...without having to break the bank (and esp. without buying out of few FA years).
Many point to his production in 2008 as steady, sobeit. Many have been adverse to this signing since day 1...Everyone has an opinion. That's cool. His contract is not terrible, but it is what it is. Don't turn this into a Ryan Grant thread unless directly comparing the two, please...ThanX. TWill has done a ton more in 2 years in showing future ability, than Grant did in his first year in GB when he got that deal.
The problem was this set a precedent for other players who perform early in GB. TWill comes to mind.
Waldo made some excellent statistical analysis' as to TWill's strengths:
He also made a lot of plays.
He ranked #20 in the NFL in passes broken up. With Wood and Nick ahead of him, only 17 other teams in the NFL had any DB break up more passes than him.
He ranked #6 in the NFL in interceptions, by far the most of any nickel CB.
He ranked #17 in the NFL (tied with a lot of guys) in FF's
Overall he ranked #7 in the NFL in forced turnovers.
While it's true that TWill DOES need to hone some finer points to be compared to Wood or Al right now, he's 24 (and all the talent in the world), yet they are both getting older by the minute and Al is 35 this year. Yikes. I'd put my money on the 24 year old while we can.
I wouldn't be mad at all if TT signed TWill to a 5 year deal for $20 million, as of right now, he's probably capable of starting for several NFL teams at CB. Some detract TWill's mistakes, but he does have playmaking ability, awesome speed, seems to be a bright kid with team-first mentality, and plays some nuts ST with his returning ability (which many forget).
This isn't about Grant, but I'd rather pay this kid than Grant anyday (and that was the day we signed Grant, but didn't have to)....We don't have to pay TWill either, but damn, in 2 years if the the NFL labor deal stays the same he'll be UFA and you think he'll want to play for anything less than $8 or more a year if he keeps progressing (with the CB market going insane)? I doubt it. He'd laugh off a 3 year/$6million deal for sure (as some have said, "let him rot" if not), and I'd too, if I was him or his agent. It's ok to have that opinion, as I'm just curious as to what the masses of PackerRats think about his talent/potential contract.
This kid is one of the most talented young player on our roster by far, so if it didn't work out, 5 years, $20 million, would be ok to burn, as he would only get maybe half of it after 2 years and bonuses. But in 2 years, what would you expect to be our starting CB's? Al..definitely not, Wood...maybe, but prob. at safety.
Your call though. I'd like a deece deal for 5 years, $20 million with the expectation he starts by next year. He's happy, we are happy we don't have a sieve at CB if something happens in 2009 or 2010...Al won't be here much longer... :cry: