Bus Cook - QB agent specialist

[Patler]

Interesting article about Cook's association with three consecutive breakups between franchise QBs (McNair, Favre, Cutler) and the franchises they played for:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/03/17/cook/index.html

[PlantPage55]

Bus Cook, making his clients look like dillweeds since 2006.

[gbgary]

time for him to retire too.

[SnakeLH2006]

time for him to retire too.

I doubt it...Bus Cook makes millions on the retirement angle:

Guy walks into a bar, he's had a rough day so he calls over the bartender and orders a shot of whiskey, after taking that down he proceeds to drink 16 beers. By this time he can barely walk or see, so he pays his tab, says goodnight to everyone in the bar and the bartender then calls a cab to go home.

Before getting in the cab, he walks back into the bar, but to his astonishment someone is sitting in his seat and he's 3 drinks in. He sits down in the stool next to him and says, "Mike, I'd like one more beer." The bartender, seeing that he's drunk says "sorry, Brett you've had enough." Furiously, he looks at the guy sitting next to him and says "I'm here at McCarthy's all the time, who the fuck are you?" the guy replies "Aaron Rodgers, here's 10 bucks for your cab."
:lol:

[Partial]

Don't think Favre or McNair did anything wrong. Not necessarily right.. but wrong, not sure on that. Certainly not McNair. At some point you need to get the money you're owed. They can't expect you to keep restructuring and not collect your pay day.

Cutler is being a weiner. He's not good enough to be respected like Favre or McNair.

[bobblehead]

Don't think Favre or McNair did anything wrong. Not necessarily right.. but wrong, not sure on that.

Cutler is being a weiner. He's not good enough to be respected like Favre or McNair.

My only big gripe with favre is that once he decided he wanted to play again he should have worked with the club to arrange a trade as quickly and efficiently as possible. Other than that it was more annoying than anything. Ok, going on Greta wasn't cool either.

[Rastak]

Don't think Favre or McNair did anything wrong. Not necessarily right.. but wrong, not sure on that.

Cutler is being a weiner. He's not good enough to be respected like Favre or McNair.

My only big gripe with favre is that once he decided he wanted to play again he should have worked with the club to arrange a trade as quickly and efficiently as possible. Other than that it was more annoying than anything. Ok, going on Greta wasn't cool either.


I have no clue what went on in BF's mind but you'd think after quarterbacking a team to the conf title game he'd assume he'd be welcomed back. I'm not saying going with Rodgers is wrong at all, just saying....

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Don't think Favre or McNair did anything wrong. Not necessarily right.. but wrong, not sure on that.

Cutler is being a weiner. He's not good enough to be respected like Favre or McNair.

My only big gripe with favre is that once he decided he wanted to play again he should have worked with the club to arrange a trade as quickly and efficiently as possible. Other than that it was more annoying than anything. Ok, going on Greta wasn't cool either.


I have no clue what went on in BF's mind but you'd think after quarterbacking a team to the conf title game he'd assume he'd be welcomed back. I'm not saying going with Rodgers is wrong at all, just saying....

Well, you know what happens when you assume. :oops:

I think that any club, having made the conference title game, would assume that their players would be chomping at the bit to get back into it...training, training camp, studying, otcs, etc.

[Patler]

Don't think Favre or McNair did anything wrong. Not necessarily right.. but wrong, not sure on that. Certainly not McNair. At some point you need to get the money you're owed. They can't expect you to keep restructuring and not collect your pay day.


The most common types of restructuring actually result in the player getting money a little bit sooner, not later. The payment is guaranteed just before it is due so it becomes a signing bonus, thus clearing cap room. Another commonly used procedure is to extend by a couple years, renegotiate a lower salary, but pay a signing bonus larger than the salary "forfeited". Again the player gets more money sooner, but the team gets cap space. Favre never negotiated actual lower payments as far as I can remember, nor can I recall McNair having done it, but obviously I never followed McNair as closely.

As I recall, McNair's problem was similar to Wahle's with the Packers, but on an even grander scale. McNair had a huge roster bonus (something like $30M) due so near to the end of his contract that even guaranteeing it to treat it as a signing bonus was not good enough. Generally it is thought a renegotiated contract would happen first when huge roster bonuses are provided at the ends of contracts. It didn't happen for Wahle or McNair.

[cpk1994]

Don't think Favre or McNair did anything wrong. Not necessarily right.. but wrong, not sure on that.

Cutler is being a weiner. He's not good enough to be respected like Favre or McNair.

My only big gripe with favre is that once he decided he wanted to play again he should have worked with the club to arrange a trade as quickly and efficiently as possible. Other than that it was more annoying than anything. Ok, going on Greta wasn't cool either.


I have no clue what went on in BF's mind but you'd think after quarterbacking a team to the conf title game he'd assume he'd be welcomed back. I'm not saying going with Rodgers is wrong at all, just saying....He WAS welcomed back, just not as a starter. He retired. The Packers decided to move on. Then he wanted top play again, but the Packers wanted to stay on the courese chosen when Brett retired. Why is that so hard for him to grasp?

[Pugger]

Favre's bigget blunder last spring was retiring in the first place!! If he never retired in the first place MM wouldn't have named Rodgers the starter. Then BF kept changing his mind. This uncertainty and waffling probably exasperated the situation and was the main reason why MM and TT didn't just welcome him back with open arms in June. There was very poor communication on both sides that aided in that fiasco too.

The Cutler mess is different tho. From what I'm gathering Cutler's beef is with management lying to him. If this is true (let me know if I'm wrong guys) and I were Cutler I'd be pissed too.

[Merlin]

We don't know what transpired between the end of the 2007 season and when Favre retired. It sure sounded like there was at the very least a lot of miscommunication between Favre and Thompson. What's done is done. Favre may have given us a slightly better record in 2008 but there was no way this team was going to be much of anything with or without Favre given how shitty the defense was. Rodgers played fine but the "it" factor that wins a couple of games wasn't there. Hopefully this year he will have "it". The offense wasn't horrible but obviously wasn't good enough to win more then 6 games and Rodgers was part of that offense.

[Gunakor]

Rodgers played fine but the "it" factor that wins a couple of games wasn't there. Hopefully this year he will have "it". The offense wasn't horrible but obviously wasn't good enough to win more then 6 games and Rodgers was part of that offense.

The 2008 Green Bay Packers offense racked up 351 yards per game on the season, good for 8th in the NFL. For comparison's sake, the Super Bowl Champion Pittsburgh Steelers only averaged 312 yards per game, good enough for 22nd in the NFL.

The Packers averaged just over 26 points per game, good for 5th in the NFL. The Steelers came in 20th with just under 22 per game.

The Packers were 44% on third down conversions, also good enough for 5th in the NFL. Also better than the Steelers, whose 41% was only good enough to tie for 14th best in the league.

I make these comparisons because I believe that this definitively proves that the Packers offense was good enough BY FAR to win more than 6 games. If you are just evaluating offenses on their own, the Packers offense from 2008 was good enough to win a Super Bowl.

It's not Aaron Rodgers that I need to see the "it" factor from. AJ Hawk, Mason Crosby, Ryan Pickett maybe. Justin Harrell to be sure. But Rodgers? No, he's proven quite capable of running this high powered offense very effectively. I mean, it's not like that group had trouble scoring points last year.

[Partial]

I disagree. In many of the games they lost the offense was horrible. What is your excuse for the abysmal performances in Jax, Tenn and Minne?

[Dylan McKay]

Favre's bigget blunder last spring was retiring in the first place!! If he never retired in the first place MM wouldn't have named Rodgers the starter. Then BF kept changing his mind. This uncertainty and waffling probably exasperated the situation and was the main reason why MM and TT didn't just welcome him back with open arms in June. There was very poor communication on both sides that aided in that fiasco too.

The Cutler mess is different tho. From what I'm gathering Cutler's beef is with management lying to him. If this is true (let me know if I'm wrong guys) and I were Cutler I'd be pissed too.

Totally agree, Favre couldn't make up is mind man. TT gave him a chance.

[Gunakor]

I disagree. In many of the games they lost the offense was horrible. What is your excuse for the abysmal performances in Jax, Tenn and Minne?

I'm not looking at individual games. The season is over now, so you don't have to do that either. I'm looking at the whole season.

If those are the only 3 games that you can point to that were abysmal performances, then that means that the other 13 performances were fine. 13 good performances in 16 opportunities is fine by me. You don't put up SEASON totals like that if your offense only has one or two good games.

You just won't be happy unless our offense scores 45 points on a weekly basis, will you?

[Partial]

The point is looking at an average is foolish. We could crush the bears 10000-0 and that would certainly impact the averages over the course of the entire season, yet the offense could be putrid in other games.

They had some ok games, some good games, and some awful games. The offense was not as spectacular as its made out to be here.

I'll be happy if they put up 24 points and can sustain drives in the second half of the ball game. Can't really blame a defense for blowing a lead when they're sucking wind from playing the entire second half 'cause the O cannot sustain a drive.

[Gunakor]

The point is looking at an average is foolish. We could crush the bears 10000-0 and that would certainly impact the averages over the course of the entire season, yet the offense could be putrid in other games.

They had some ok games, some good games, and some awful games. The offense was not as spectacular as its made out to be here.

I'll be happy if they put up 24 points and can sustain drives in the second half of the ball game. Can't really blame a defense for blowing a lead when they're sucking wind from playing the entire second half 'cause the O cannot sustain a drive.

Looking at specific games that fit your arguement and ignoring the games that don't is what sounds foolish Partial. A yearly average takes into account every game, every snap. It accounts for every opponent you've faced, not just the ones that you struggled with, but not just the ones that you dominated either. It gives you the clearest overall picture of how talented the team is. I mean, we aren't going to play the elite defenses of the NFL like the Vikings and the Titans every week. To single those games out as proof that the offense was subpar on the entire season is incredibly foolish IMO.

Besides, who did the Packers beat 10000 to 0 that skewed the season stats so dramatically?

[Partial]

The point is they cannot have awful games and expect to be a good team. Consistency is king. The Packers offense was NOT consistent at all. Not at sustaining drives, or scoring points.

[Dylan McKay]

The point is they cannot have awful games and expect to be a good team. Consistency is king. The Packers offense was NOT consistent at all. Not at sustaining drives, or scoring points.

ok, but regardless of the sitch with Favre we sort of expected inconsistencies with the offense with a new first year starter, well i sure did.

[PlantPage55]

The point is they cannot have awful games and expect to be a good team. Consistency is king. The Packers offense was NOT consistent at all. Not at sustaining drives, or scoring points.

That's 10x better than our defense and special teams being consistently PUTRID.

[Gunakor]

The Packers offense was NOT consistent at all. Not at sustaining drives, or scoring points.

The Packers punted the ball 65 times last year. About 4 a game. Mason Crosby attempted 34 FG's, about 2 a game. The Packers lost 8 fumbles on the season on offense, and Rodgers threw 13 INT's. So 21 offensive drives ended with a turnover, just under 1.5 per game. The only thing I'm missing is how many drives ended due to the clock running out, but given what I could find, it looks on average to be between 7 and 8 offensive drives per game that did not score a touchdown.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't think that's too horrible at all. Certainly not indicative of a team that consistently struggles to sustain drives.

[Partial]

The point is they cannot have awful games and expect to be a good team. Consistency is king. The Packers offense was NOT consistent at all. Not at sustaining drives, or scoring points.

That's 10x better than our defense and special teams being consistently PUTRID.

What its the chicken or the egg. Was the defense bad because they were always on the field? I'd say that is a definite possibility.

[Partial]

What about 3 and outs? What about moving the ball for a minute and then punting? The bottom line is they had plenty of putrid offensive performances, yet those are the games the defense gets blamed for giving up the lead.

I notice a strong correlation.

[Gunakor]

The point is they cannot have awful games and expect to be a good team. Consistency is king. The Packers offense was NOT consistent at all. Not at sustaining drives, or scoring points.

That's 10x better than our defense and special teams being consistently PUTRID.

What its the chicken or the egg. Was the defense bad because they were always on the field? I'd say that is a definite possibility.

The Packers were 8th in the league in 2008 averaging 31:37 TOP. Go back to 1995, and you'll find that our offense led by league MVP Brett Favre averaged 31:20 TOP

In 1996, the offense led by league MVP Brett Favre averaged 31:57 TOP. We had the #1 ranked defense that year.

In 1997, the offense led by league MVP Brett Favre only held the ball for 30:05 per game.

[Partial]

I don't care what they were. Look at the second halves of ball games with your eyes. They were beyond awful in the second half of a lot of games.

Again, you're looking at averages which account for the really good to offset the really bad. If they simply improve the really bad, they'll be a much better team.

Consistency is king. Bottom line. Replace those awful offensive performances with 3 average to above average performances, and this team is 9-7 instead of 6-10. Huge difference.

[Gunakor]

Of course I'm looking at averages! Again, averages tell the whole story, not just the part you wanna bitch about.

Replace 2 missed FG's with game winners and we are already 8-8 without any additional offensive contributions whatsoever. Doesn't that make a huge difference too?

I think we just saw different things with our eyes last season. I saw a team that had plenty of sustained drives on offense, scored plenty of points, were in position to win every single game save 2, and were let down week after week by a defensive collapse during our opponents last drive. That's what I saw with my eyes.

[Partial]

I saw a gassed defense at the end of games because the offense couldn't sustain a drive in the second half. I saw plenty of one touchdown performances. Field goals don't win in the NFL. Gotta turn 'em into TDs.

[Gunakor]

I saw a gassed defense at the end of games because the offense couldn't sustain a drive in the second half. I saw plenty of one touchdown performances. Field goals don't win in the NFL. Gotta turn 'em into TDs.

Twice this season a FG would have won the game for us, remember? Twice. Try to convince any NFL player or coach that FG's don't win games. Or, try to convince any kicker that missed FG's don't lose games. That entire argument is bullshit.

[Lurker64]

I saw a gassed defense at the end of games because the offense couldn't sustain a drive in the second half. .

I saw a gassed defense at the end of games frequently, but to say that was only because of the offense's inability to sustain drives is frankly laughable. The defense was gassed in large part because of their inability to get off the field. The defense, which was so good on 3rd downs in 2007, was absolutely terrible on 3rd downs in 2008.

A certain responsibility of the defense is to get itself off the field. The Ravens and Steelers didn't sustain a lot of drives last year (both teams had bad offenses by any standards), but neither defense gassed very often since they were getting themselves off the field with great consistency.

[Gunakor]

I saw a gassed defense at the end of games because the offense couldn't sustain a drive in the second half. .

I saw a gassed defense at the end of games frequently, but to say that was only because of the offense's inability to sustain drives is frankly laughable. The defense was gassed in large part because of their inability to get off the field. The defense, which was so good on 3rd downs in 2007, was absolutely terrible on 3rd downs in 2008.

A certain responsibility of the defense is to get itself off the field.

They were also gassed because they were extremely limited in their rotations. Especially on the DL, where the injury bug hit the worst. Can't be easy when you only have 3 healthy DT's on your roster.

[Tarlam!]

:jack:

Interesting discussion between Gun and Partial. But what on earth does it have to do with Bus Cook?

[cpk1994]

I disagree. In many of the games they lost the offense was horrible. What is your excuse for the abysmal performances in Jax, Tenn and Minne?

I'm not looking at individual games. The season is over now, so you don't have to do that either. I'm looking at the whole season.

If those are the only 3 games that you can point to that were abysmal performances, then that means that the other 13 performances were fine. 13 good performances in 16 opportunities is fine by me. You don't put up SEASON totals like that if your offense only has one or two good games.

You just won't be happy unless our offense scores 45 points on a weekly basis, will you?He won't be happy until Rodgers is gone.

[Tarlam!]

[/quote]He won't be happy until Rodgers is gone.[/quote]

Think Rodgers will hire Bus Cook as his agent any time soon?

[Gunakor]

He won't be happy until Rodgers is gone.

Think Rodgers will hire Bus Cook as his agent any time soon?

Bus Cook doesn't deserve any more franchise QB's to represent. And I don't think any other franchise QB's would be looking for an agent like Bus Cook in the first place. He doesn't exactly have a stellar record of service with regards to taking care of his star clients, especially QB's. He's overseen one extremely messy divorce between a franchise QB and his long time employer, and is in the midst of another messy divorce between a franchise QB and his employer just one year later. If I were a franchise QB, I'd make it a priority to stay as far away from that snake as I possibly could.

[Guiness]

Bus Cook doesn't deserve any more franchise QB's to represent. And I don't think any other franchise QB's would be looking for an agent like Bus Cook in the first place. He doesn't exactly have a stellar record of service with regards to taking care of his star clients, especially QB's. He's overseen one extremely messy divorce between a franchise QB and his long time employer, and is in the midst of another messy divorce between a franchise QB and his employer just one year later. If I were a franchise QB, I'd make it a priority to stay as far away from that snake as I possibly could.

Actually, two messy divorces - I wouldn't consider McNair's leaving Tenn to be a clean break with no hard feelings!

[Gunakor]

Bus Cook doesn't deserve any more franchise QB's to represent. And I don't think any other franchise QB's would be looking for an agent like Bus Cook in the first place. He doesn't exactly have a stellar record of service with regards to taking care of his star clients, especially QB's. He's overseen one extremely messy divorce between a franchise QB and his long time employer, and is in the midst of another messy divorce between a franchise QB and his employer just one year later. If I were a franchise QB, I'd make it a priority to stay as far away from that snake as I possibly could.

Actually, two messy divorces - I wouldn't consider McNair's leaving Tenn to be a clean break with no hard feelings!

I'm not sure how much that had to do with Cook personally though. Maybe it did, I don't know a whole lot about what transpired in that deal.

[Guiness]

Bus Cook doesn't deserve any more franchise QB's to represent. And I don't think any other franchise QB's would be looking for an agent like Bus Cook in the first place. He doesn't exactly have a stellar record of service with regards to taking care of his star clients, especially QB's. He's overseen one extremely messy divorce between a franchise QB and his long time employer, and is in the midst of another messy divorce between a franchise QB and his employer just one year later. If I were a franchise QB, I'd make it a priority to stay as far away from that snake as I possibly could.

Actually, two messy divorces - I wouldn't consider McNair's leaving Tenn to be a clean break with no hard feelings!

I'm not sure how much that had to do with Cook personally though. Maybe it did, I don't know a whole lot about what transpired in that deal.

I was possibly more Tennesee's doing - really bad cap management - but Cook is a common thread there.

What did end up happening there? I remember he was owed some insane amount, like $20mil or something, which would've been 20-25% of the cap at the time, and I think it was guaranteed. Did he get it?

[Dylan McKay]

I disagree. In many of the games they lost the offense was horrible. What is your excuse for the abysmal performances in Jax, Tenn and Minne?

I'm not looking at individual games. The season is over now, so you don't have to do that either. I'm looking at the whole season.

If those are the only 3 games that you can point to that were abysmal performances, then that means that the other 13 performances were fine. 13 good performances in 16 opportunities is fine by me. You don't put up SEASON totals like that if your offense only has one or two good games.

You just won't be happy unless our offense scores 45 points on a weekly basis, will you?He won't be happy until Rodgers is gone.

I guess I don't get it. Take Favre out of the situation pretend that he actually did retire. Would anyone really be complaining about how Aaron Rodgers played this season?

[Partial]

I think Bus Cook is a decent enough agent. It's not like every agent out there isn't trying to get more money and more clients.

We really have no idea what is going on in this situation, or what played out in the Favre situation. We only have hearsay.

Besides, its not like their aren't tons of agents who have their players demand to be traded, or holdout, or whatever to get new contracts. This isn't the first time, nor is it the last time.

We can look at our own Javon Walker, Mike McKenzie, Ryan Grant, etc of examples of players trying to get traded/get more money/etc. There are plenty of examples league wide every year.

[Dylan McKay]

Favre didn't get more money going to the Jets. So it wasn't like Bus got Favre a better deal. He acted in what was thought to be in the best interest of his client, and acted on what his client's wants and needs were.

I think he would be a poor agent if he tried to talk Favre out of trying to play again even though that is what his client wanted more than anything was to play again.

Same for Cutler, he doesn't want to be in Denver anymore and doesn't trust the coach or front office. Cook is acting on what his client wants and based on Cutler's intentions.

[Gunakor]

I think Bus Cook is a decent enough agent. It's not like every agent out there isn't trying to get more money and more clients.

We really have no idea what is going on in this situation, or what played out in the Favre situation. We only have hearsay.

Besides, its not like their aren't tons of agents who have their players demand to be traded, or holdout, or whatever to get new contracts. This isn't the first time, nor is it the last time.

We can look at our own Javon Walker, Mike McKenzie, Ryan Grant, etc of examples of players trying to get traded/get more money/etc. There are plenty of examples league wide every year.

The players you mentioned are not franchise type players. We're talking about the elite group of players that have become the face of their repsective franchises.

And while all we have is hearsay, that doesn't mean that what we hear isn't true. We don't know exactly what happened in the Favre deal, for example, but we do know that Favre went on Greta to air his dirty laundry. That's exactly the thing Cook should have tried to prevent, and he didn't. He let the messy divorce get even messier. He's a goddamn snake.

[Patler]

Favre didn't get more money going to the Jets. So it wasn't like Bus got Favre a better deal. He acted in what was thought to be in the best interest of his client, and acted on what his client's wants and needs were.

I think he would be a poor agent if he tried to talk Favre out of trying to play again even though that is what his client wanted more than anything was to play again.

Same for Cutler, he doesn't want to be in Denver anymore and doesn't trust the coach or front office. Cook is acting on what his client wants and based on Cutler's intentions.

The agent is one of the players top advisers, if not THE top adviser. What a player wants, or thinks he is entitled to, is influenced strongly by the agent. A good adviser would have helped Favre make his annual decisions, and would have cautioned him against some of the things he did and said over the years. A good agent can be a strong negotiator, but still facilitate the relationship between the player and the team.

In my opinion, many of the sports agents fulfill only part of what they should in representing the players.

As for Cook, I think through out much of Favre's career he served him well. I do think Favre's inner circle, including Cook, let him down in recent years when Favre struggled with his own emotions, feelings and intentions. Maybe favre shut them out, I don't know.

[Partial]

You don't know that at all. That is making quite the leap. Last time I checked Favre is a very financially wealthy grown man, and I'm pretty sure his agent works for him, not the other way around. My guess is Cook probably told him it was dumb, and Favre told him to screw off and did it anyway.

That is equally likely if not moreso than your theory.

[Dylan McKay]

Favre in his books says that Bus is like his best friend, so I can't see Bus not working in the best interest of Favre, I don't think Cook would pull any punches with Favre just because he doesn't want to lose his cash cow.

[swede]

Favre in his books says that Bus is like his best friend, so I can't see Bus not working in the best interest of Favre, I don't think Cook would pull any punches with Favre just because he doesn't want to lose his cash cow.

That's a sweet notion, agents being like nice people and all.

But an agent would eat his firstborn's hands if it would somehow net another 2.3 mil per year.

BTW welcome to the forum.

And not in an agent kind of way. :lol:

[Gunakor]

You don't know that at all. That is making quite the leap. Last time I checked Favre is a very financially wealthy grown man, and I'm pretty sure his agent works for him, not the other way around. My guess is Cook probably told him it was dumb, and Favre told him to screw off and did it anyway.

That is equally likely if not moreso than your theory.

You think Cook told him it was dumb? And I'm the one making a leap? Partial, if Favre plays one more year then Cook gets paid for Favre playing one more year. No fucking way Cook would have advised him NOT to come out of retirement. I think it's just as likely that Cook had a heavy influence on Favre's decision - possibly even the primary influence. There was a lot of money riding on this one for him personally.

[Partial]

Nowhere did I say he didn't tell him to come out of retirement. No kidding that'd be dumb :D

I'm saying I doubt he told him to handle it by going on Greta. It's clear Brett was pissed. Don't you think that any logical agent is trying to smother than flames instead of fueling the fire?

Cook represents a lot of players, and this sort of behavior has never occurred before. I don't think its fair to blame Favre's actions, right or wrong, on Cook.

[Gunakor]

Favre in his books says that Bus is like his best friend, so I can't see Bus not working in the best interest of Favre, I don't think Cook would pull any punches with Favre just because he doesn't want to lose his cash cow.

Favre may have said that about Cook, but it's not the same when the roles are reversed. Agents don't have friends, they have clients. Clients that make them money. It's the way they make a living. They work in the best interests of themselves, and use their clients to make them more money. I could absoluetly see Cook doing whatever he had to in order to make that money, including being decietful, especially considering he had earned so much of Favre's trust.

[Partial]

I'm sure Cook would risk the relationship with all his other clients to squeeze a few more bucks outta Favre. This conspiracy talk is crazy.

Half of being an agent is customer service. They need to be able to put up with a bunch of pre-madonnas and make them happy. I think they do need to be quite close with a lot of these players.

I think you're grasping at straws that aren't there. I think Cook is a fine agent. He represents many NFL players and we've never heard any wacky theories or stories involving any of them.

[Patler]

You don't know that at all. That is making quite the leap. Last time I checked Favre is a very financially wealthy grown man, and I'm pretty sure his agent works for him, not the other way around. My guess is Cook probably told him it was dumb, and Favre told him to screw off and did it anyway.

That is equally likely if not moreso than your theory.

Are you replying to me? Of course I don't know that. I expressed it as my opinion, not fact. However, as I have expressed on here before, I have had (and still do to a small extent) have some business and other relationships with professional athletes, and I know how they work with and through their agents, business managers, accountants, etc. I think Cook wears several hats for Favre.

I acknowledged that for most of his career Cook seemed to serve Favre well. Things went quite smoothly. I don't blame just Cook for the last few years. I said Favre's inner circle seemed to let him down. I already acknowledged that Favre may have shut them out in his actions the last few years. It may even have been likely.

It has nothing to do with being a grown man, or being told what to do. It has everything to do with being a business, which a player of Favre's stature is with his playing contract, his endorsements, his side businesses, his charitable foundations, etc. The last three or four years it seemed that some close to him made things worse, although I'm sure not intentionally so. Favre seemed a little rudderless in the off-seasons for several years. I also wonder if his father would have helped him through it better than those that were around.

That's why I am of the opnion that Favre's inner circle let him down.

[Gunakor]

Nowhere did I say he didn't tell him to come out of retirement. No kidding that'd be dumb :D

I'm saying I doubt he told him to handle it by going on Greta. It's clear Brett was pissed. Don't you think that any logical agent is trying to smother than flames instead of fueling the fire?

Cook represents a lot of players, and this sort of behavior has never occurred before. I don't think its fair to blame Favre's actions, right or wrong, on Cook.

Oh, sorry I was confused. I doubt that Greta was Cook's idea too, but Cook should have done a better job of explaining to him just how dumb an idea it was. If Cook was really one of Favre's best friends, has Favre said he is, Favre would have heeded that advice and not gone public with all of his dirty laundry. So while I think there may have been a passing statement from Cook to Favre that this was a bad idea, I don't think Cook really spent any time trying to pound that into Favre's head. And he should have IMO if he was really looking at the best interests of his client.

[Dylan McKay]

All I know is that Favre was Cook's first player to represent and I think because both of them went into this together it was more than a player/agent relationship. Cook has been nothing but loyal to Favre. Favre and Cook have never caused a problem in regards to financial matters with the Packers, infact they were usually willing to help the Packers in that regard.

[Dylan McKay]

Favre in his books says that Bus is like his best friend, so I can't see Bus not working in the best interest of Favre, I don't think Cook would pull any punches with Favre just because he doesn't want to lose his cash cow.

That's a sweet notion, agents being like nice people and all.

But an agent would eat his firstborn's hands if it would somehow net another 2.3 mil per year.

BTW welcome to the forum.

And not in an agent kind of way. :lol:

Glad to be here, this place reminds me of the movie Spaceballs

[mission]

Does Cook really represent a lot of players? I always thought Favre was his first and he was able to get Cutler and McNair on board because of the whole 'southern" thing. I never really thought he was a top tier agent... just known because of his dealings with Favre.

[Partial]

He does Moss and a few other players. I'm sure he does more than we know of. He's becoming pretty well known. I'm sure Favre's recognition helped him in this regard.

[cpk1994]

The point is looking at an average is foolish.Yet, you use it to repeatedly bash ARod with and fuel your hatred of him.

[Partial]

The point is looking at an average is foolish.Yet, you use it to repeatedly bash ARod with and fuel your hatred of him.

Get out of here Troll. Let the adults have a convo instead of you threadjacking...

[cpk1994]

The point is looking at an average is foolish.Yet, you use it to repeatedly bash ARod with and fuel your hatred of him.

Get out of here Troll. Let the adults have a convo instead of you threadjacking... You are the one who repeatedly cites the offense's pts/game as an indictment of Rodgers. Yet now you call that same average foolish to look iat. So which is it?

BTW, You calling someone else a troll. Talk about the pot and the damn kettle.

[SnakeLH2006]

I disagree. In many of the games they lost the offense was horrible. What is your excuse for the abysmal performances in Jax, Tenn and Minne?

I'm not looking at individual games. The season is over now, so you don't have to do that either. I'm looking at the whole season.

If those are the only 3 games that you can point to that were abysmal performances, then that means that the other 13 performances were fine. 13 good performances in 16 opportunities is fine by me. You don't put up SEASON totals like that if your offense only has one or two good games.

You just won't be happy unless our offense scores 45 points on a weekly basis, will you?He won't be happy until Rodgers is gone.

I guess I don't get it. Take Favre out of the situation pretend that he actually did retire. Would anyone really be complaining about how Aaron Rodgers played this season?

Well...Partial would, then again, Snake believes Partial may really be Bus Cook. 8-) ....But you are new here, and will come to believe that too after some time. BTW...Welcome dude!! Snake loves logical posters.

So how well did Brett and Cutler do late games last year then, Partial? Just asking because Snake like Arod plenty (and was a huge Farvey supporter for years) yet have moved on and support out QB now. Yes, Arod had some late inconsistencies in 2008, but was he worse as a first year starter in those regards than a 18 year vet or your godsend Cutler?

Note: Someone messed up the quotes and Snake isn't gonna bother to fix it right now....The bold was from Dylan which I support, then Snake's reply.