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[texaspackerbacker]

The just finished watching this new Nicholas Cage movie. I'm not sure if it's out yet or not, as I downloaded it on Torrentz.

It was a sci-fi/psycho-religious thriller of the first magnitude--kind of a racist ending, though. :D

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I guess good normal americans steal.

[3irty1]

Isn't there a thread about this?

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The just finished watching this new Nicholas Cage movie. I'm not sure if it's out yet or not, as I downloaded it on Torrentz.

It was a sci-fi/psycho-religious thriller of the first magnitude--kind of a racist ending, though. :D

was it as bad as his national treasure movies? those 2 were just so over the top with sch horrible acting. i thought they were almost unwatchable

the preview make it look bad IMO, like national treasure 3

[texaspackerbacker]

The just finished watching this new Nicholas Cage movie. I'm not sure if it's out yet or not, as I downloaded it on Torrentz.

It was a sci-fi/psycho-religious thriller of the first magnitude--kind of a racist ending, though. :D

was it as bad as his national treasure movies? those 2 were just so over the top with sch horrible acting. i thought they were almost unwatchable

the preview make it look bad IMO, like national treasure 3

Both of those National Treasure movies were outstanding too.

Damn Straight, Tyrone. No sense letting the damn Hollywood types profit from it. They might use the money to advance an evil agenda or something.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Just another excuse from you.

Thou shall not steal.

What part of that don't you understand?

[texaspackerbacker]

Just another excuse from you.

Thou shall not steal.

What part of that don't you understand?

Just more hypocrisy and demagoguery from you.

If you can apply the commandments, I guess I can apply a bit of moral relativism or whatever. Where is it written that "intellectual property" is capable of being stolen? If it's on the internet, it's like it being in the air--there for anybody to make use of.

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The just finished watching this new Nicholas Cage movie. I'm not sure if it's out yet or not, as I downloaded it on Torrentz.

It was a sci-fi/psycho-religious thriller of the first magnitude--kind of a racist ending, though. :D

was it as bad as his national treasure movies? those 2 were just so over the top with sch horrible acting. i thought they were almost unwatchable

the preview make it look bad IMO, like national treasure 3

Both of those National Treasure movies were outstanding too.



why an i not surprised lol

[Zool]

Just another excuse from you.

Thou shall not steal.

What part of that don't you understand?

Just more hypocrisy and demagoguery from you.

If you can apply the commandments, I guess I can apply a bit of moral relativism or whatever. Where is it written that "intellectual property" is capable of being stolen? If it's on the internet, it's like it being in the air--there for anybody to make use of.

Heh...so although its against the laws of the land, you chose to abide by your own standard?

[texaspackerbacker]

Just another excuse from you.

Thou shall not steal.

What part of that don't you understand?

Just more hypocrisy and demagoguery from you.

If you can apply the commandments, I guess I can apply a bit of moral relativism or whatever. Where is it written that "intellectual property" is capable of being stolen? If it's on the internet, it's like it being in the air--there for anybody to make use of.

Heh...so although its against the laws of the land, you chose to abide by your own standard?

While some act of theft by somebody may be necessary for DVD quality movies to be downloaded on the internet, the actual downloading is at most a civil wrong, not criminal--and certainly not a religious wrong--at least, that's my take on it. In other words, I'm pretty sure no such commandment exists that says: "Thou shalt not download thy corporate neighbor's artistry that has been designed to profit from public viewing of it."

[Zool]

Actually yes it is criminally wrong to download IP's. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I dont do it, I'm just saying that you can definitely get in trouble for it.

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yeah, it is against the law tex. but from what i know, they usually do go after the people that distribute them more thn the people that do the downloading

its like drugs. is it better to go after all the users, or the dealers?

plus, you're opening yourself up to a whole shitload of viruses by screwing with those torrent sites

[Zool]

yeah, it is against the law tex. but from what i know, they usually do go after the people that distribute them more thn the people that do the downloading

Distro's and archive people are the ones they go after most.


plus, you're opening yourself up to a whole shitload of viruses by screwing with those torrent sites

QFTx1000

[Gunakor]

Just another excuse from you.

Thou shall not steal.

What part of that don't you understand?

Just more hypocrisy and demagoguery from you.

If you can apply the commandments, I guess I can apply a bit of moral relativism or whatever. Where is it written that "intellectual property" is capable of being stolen? If it's on the internet, it's like it being in the air--there for anybody to make use of.

Copyright laws still apply here.

If all you are doing is viewing/listening to these files over the internet, say on a site like Youtube, that's one thing. Nobody can store, replicate, or distribute any file that someone else uploaded on Youtube (as far as I know).

If you are downloading these files and storing them on your computer's hard drive, thus enabling them to be illegally distributed to other computers or burned to CD to be illegally distributed to other people, that's something else. But in that case, I'd argue that it's the person uploading the file without permission who is guilty rather than the person who downloads that file from them. When you take something that is not yours, and put it on the internet to share with everyone else even though it is not yours to share, that is theft. Any way you look at it.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Just another excuse from you.

Thou shall not steal.

What part of that don't you understand?

Just more hypocrisy and demagoguery from you.

If you can apply the commandments, I guess I can apply a bit of moral relativism or whatever. Where is it written that "intellectual property" is capable of being stolen? If it's on the internet, it's like it being in the air--there for anybody to make use of.

Thou shall not steal.

Where is it written that "ip" is capable of being stolen? Guess you've never heard of copyright, trademarks, patents, industrial design rights, and trade secrets.

Watching you make it up as you go is hilarious. Talking about me and what i do or don't do, it doesn't change or make what you do ok.

You are stealing.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Just another excuse from you.

Thou shall not steal.

What part of that don't you understand?

Just more hypocrisy and demagoguery from you.

If you can apply the commandments, I guess I can apply a bit of moral relativism or whatever. Where is it written that "intellectual property" is capable of being stolen? If it's on the internet, it's like it being in the air--there for anybody to make use of.

Copyright laws still apply here.

If all you are doing is viewing/listening to these files over the internet, say on a site like Youtube, that's one thing. Nobody can store, replicate, or distribute any file that someone else uploaded on Youtube (as far as I know).

If you are downloading these files and storing them on your computer's hard drive, thus enabling them to be illegally distributed to other computers or burned to CD to be illegally distributed to other people, that's something else. But in that case, I'd argue that it's the person uploading the file without permission who is guilty rather than the person who downloads that file from them. When you take something that is not yours, and put it on the internet to share with everyone else even though it is not yours to share, that is theft. Any way you look at it.

It is quite simple. You have people that steal property. You have people that buy stolen property.

Both are against the law. Both are prosecuted.

If Tex was to claim that he had no idea that the item was stolen and he thought he was buying or downloading a legitimate product..well, some might cut him slack..though, as they say, ignorance is no excuse.

But, clearly Tex isn't that stupid...though he does come close.

[texaspackerbacker]

I don't think that applies here. At worst, it is a tort--a civil wrong--something somebody can be sued over.

If somebody actually physically steals an "original"--reel, tape, or whatever they are using these days, yeah, that's a crime. However, copying said stolen article without actually possessing the original does not rise to the level of criminality.

On the religious front, I suppose downloading could be construed as stealing by some. I do not, however, see it that way. There's nothing designating it as a sin or an abominable behavior or anything like that anywhere in the Bible.

[Zool]

There's nothing designating it as a sin or an abominable behavior or anything like that anywhere in the Bible.

Thou shalt not use torrents to download.
1337icus 5:23

[MadtownPacker]

Tex, Tex, Tex.... :lol:

I have to say this is the first time I have ever seen you mention crossing a immoral line. I think it is stealing but don't have a problem with it. Not sure if that counts for much.

I like how you mentioned taking it away from hollywoods jerks. They got it good enough.

[SkinBasket]

It is the devil who keeps god's media related work out of our hands and demands we fill the pockets of the Jews to see it, so I just invoke god's name every time I use a torrent. Usually it goes something like, "Jesus Christ, I can't wait to jerk off to this porno!" Then I sleep like a baby. A sin free baby.

[arcilite]

I don't think its stealing and I have no problem downloading movies. I do it all the time.

I mean, I still pay money to see certain movies, I still buy DVDs, so its not like downloading movies has kept me from spending money on them.

[texaspackerbacker]

Tex, Tex, Tex.... :lol:

I have to say this is the first time I have ever seen you mention crossing a immoral line. I think it is stealing but don't have a problem with it. Not sure if that counts for much.

I like how you mentioned taking it away from hollywoods jerks. They got it good enough.

You're not keeping up, Mad. Sorry to say, I've got some disgustingly liberal personal qualities.

The downloading I don't even consider immoral ....... some other things are a bit harder to justify.

[texaspackerbacker]

When I started this thread, I thought it was going to be all about how God--and the producer of the movie--chose two lily white kids to be in effect, the new Adam and Eve when the world is wiped out. I didn't want to spoil the movie for anybody by writing that earlier, but I guess it's the only way to get an interesting discussion going.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

When I started this thread, I thought it was going to be all about how God--and the producer of the movie--chose two lily white kids to be in effect, the new Adam and Eve when the world is wiped out. I didn't want to spoil the movie for anybody by writing that earlier, but I guess it's the only way to get an interesting discussion going.

Thanx for giving the movie away. A movie that has been out..what..2 weeks tops.

Not only do you steal, you are an asshole.

[arcilite]

When I started this thread, I thought it was going to be all about how God--and the producer of the movie--chose two lily white kids to be in effect, the new Adam and Eve when the world is wiped out. I didn't want to spoil the movie for anybody by writing that earlier, but I guess it's the only way to get an interesting discussion going.

Thanx for giving the movie away. A movie that has been out..what..2 weeks tops.

Not only do you steal, you are an asshole.

Well.... nobody forced you to read it.

[MateoInMex]

When I started this thread, I thought it was going to be all about how God--and the producer of the movie--chose two lily white kids to be in effect, the new Adam and Eve when the world is wiped out. I didn't want to spoil the movie for anybody by writing that earlier, but I guess it's the only way to get an interesting discussion going.

Thanx for giving the movie away. A movie that has been out..what..2 weeks tops.

Not only do you steal, you are an asshole.

Well I'll admit Buzzkill McGee over here gave part of the movie away to a degree, but he's not understanding the entire premise. Without adhering to this guys's lack of respect with regards to those who've not seen it yet...I would argue many may NOT have interpreted it the way BUZZKILL did. He's either failing to describe the entire MISE' EN SCENE because he either: Missed It, or..MISINTERPRETED if solely for the benefit of his own beliefs. I'm not going to explain the parts that Buzzkill fails to recognize because that will give the ending away entirely, and I'm not a DICK!

CONCLUSION: I didn't find it racist at all. But it is Nick Cage, and most of the American movie viewing public still owe Nicholas Cage a swift kick in the balls for that steaming turd Wicker Man!!

[texaspackerbacker]

Well, it's nearly a month now. The whole movie is just a hazy memory in my aging mind. Perhaps either now or when you think it's been enough time for people who are interested to see it, you can explain what the hell you are referring to by the "MISE' EN SCENE".

I missed Wicker Man, but after reading a summary of it, I think I'll download that too. It's sounds good.

[MateoInMex]

Well, it's nearly a month now. The whole movie is just a hazy memory in my aging mind. Perhaps either now or when you think it's been enough time for people who are interested to see it, you can explain what the hell you are referring to by the "MISE' EN SCENE".

I missed Wicker Man, but after reading a summary of it, I think I'll download that too. It's sounds good.

Mise en scene is a French term that basically meets "put on stage", or in this case, put on movie. It is meant to describe everything that is happening in a scene. Camera angle, movement, why/who is dressed a certain way, film speed, actor placement, how books are arranged on a coffee table, curtains, everything.

The story of film from the director's POV is brought out through Mise en Scene. It's very important, maybe not to many on a football board, but is important in film. And everyone is entitled to their opinion, but for this specific film, I wouldn't call the scene (or the movie in general) racist. There was a lot more going on, especially in that scene. Although it was a focal point for the two main characters aside from Nick Cage, I would encourage you to see it again, but this time look at the entire scene. It's difficult at first because film goers are concentrating on the main action, but with practice people can get really good at reading the entire picture...i'm by no means an expert, but it's fun to do because your attention becomes more detailed when watching a movie.

http://userpages.umbc.edu/~landon/Local_Information_Files/Mise-en-Scene.htm

The only thing Wicker Man won was a Razzie. Noone in Hollywood wants to win a Razzie. That's like giving someone some whipped cream, and when they get to the bottom of the layer, there's a nice pile of dog shit waiting.