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pbmax
04-22-2009, 07:11 PM
Win the admiration of dozens of people the world over. Prove your predictive and deductive capabilities in the most useless manner possible! Win, and perhaps the new owners will give you a shiny banner below your avatar to remind everyone of your football knowledge and draft prowess.

Or just do it because you have some time to kill.

Regardless, pick the first round draftees, 1-32. Draft position and the player is what counts, it doesn't matter which team ends up with the pick. Each player in the correct position is worth one point. Tiebreaker is number of times Mel Kiper utters the phrase "upside potential". No one ever wants a piece of "downside potential". Second tiebreaker is the height of Mel's hairdo. Measured from scalp to top layer of Aquanet.

Predict, Draft, Win!

Joemailman
04-22-2009, 07:55 PM
1. Matt Stafford
2. Jason Smith
3. Mark Sanchez
4. Michael Crabtree
5. Brian Orakpo
6. Eugene Monroe
7. Jeremy Maclin
8. Aaron Curry
9. Tyson Jackson
10. Andre Smith
11. Michael Oher
12. B.J. Raji
13. Chris Wells
14. Malcolm Jenkins
15. Brian Cushing
16. Everette Brown
17. Josh Freeman
18. Knowshon Moreno
19. Peria Jerry
20. Rey Maualuga
21. Brandon Pettigrew
22. Darrius Heyward-Bey
23. Clay Matthews
24. Evander Hood
25. Darius Butler
26. Robert Ayers
27. James Lauranaitis
28. Vontae Davis
29. Brian Robiskie
30. Percy Harvin
31. Aaron Maybin
32. Alex Mack

pbmax
04-22-2009, 08:10 PM
Final version unless a cab driver from Buffalo calls the wrong number and gets me instead of Berman. If your source is publishing/calling later in the week, just edit your original post, don't post separate entries.

1. Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
2. Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
3. Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU
4. Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest
5. Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
6. Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
7. Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
8. Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
9. Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
10. Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi
11. Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State
12. B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
13. Mark Sanchez, QB, Southern California
14. Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois
15. Clay Matthews, OLB, Southern California
16. Brian Cushing, OLB, Southern California
17. Darius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
18. Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
19. Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee
20. Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State
21. Knowshown Moreno, HB, Georgia
22. Josh Freeman, QB, Kansas State
23. Peria Jerry, DT, Mississippi
24. Darius Butler, CB, Connecticut
25. Paul Kruger, DE, Utah
26. Rey Maualuga, MLB, Southern California
27. Beanie Wells, HB, Ohio State
28. Max Unger, C, Oregon
29. Ziggy Hood, DT, Missouri
30. Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest
31. Donald Brown, HB, Connecticut
32. Eric Wood, C, Louisville

Tiebreaker #1 = 1,294
Tiebreaker #2 = 3 5/8 inches

pbmax
04-22-2009, 08:13 PM
Remember the tiebreakers. "Upside Potential" count should be the first round only :lol:

Mel's Hair can be measured in English units or cubits.

Waldo
04-22-2009, 08:24 PM
1. Matt Stafford
2. Eugene Monroe
3. Mark Sanchez
4. Jason Smith
5. Aaron Curry
6. Andre Smith
7. Bj Raji
8. Michael Crabtree
9. Knowshon Moreno
10. Brian Orakpo
11. Michael Oher
12. Tyson Jackson
13. Jeremy Maclin
14. Clay Matthews
15. Chris Wells
16. Evander Hood
17. Josh Freeman
18. Aaron Maybin
19. Malcolm Jenkins
20. Everette Brown
21. Brandon Pettigrew
22. Eben Britton
23. Larry English
24. Brian Cushing
25. Kenny Britt
26. Darrius Heyward-Bey
27. Peria Jerry
28. Vontae Davis
29. Percy Harvin
30. Alphonso Smith
31. Rey Maualuga
32. Alex Mack

packrulz
04-23-2009, 03:05 PM
1. Stafford, Matthew
2. Smith, Jason
3. Curry, Aaron
4. Monroe, Eugene
5. Raji, B.J.
6. Orakpo, Brian
7. Crabtree, M.
8. Maualuga, Rey
9. Moreno, K.
10. Sanchez, Mark
11. Smith, Andre
12. Jackson, Tyson
13. Oher, Michael
14. Wells, Chris
15. Jenkins, Malcolm
16. Maclin, Jeremy
17. Freeman, Josh
18. Maybin, Aaron
19. Heyward-Bey, D.
20. Davis, Vontae
21. Pettigrew, B.
22. Unger, Max
23. Johnson, Michael
24. Cushing, Brian
25. Harvin, Percy
26. Smith, Sean
27. Jerry, Peria
28. Brown, Everette
29. Butler, Darius
30. Moore, D.J.
31. Brown, Donald
32. Mack, Alex

packers11
04-23-2009, 09:57 PM
1. Matthew Stafford
2. Jason Smith
3. Aaron Curry
4. Eugene Monroe
5. Micheal Crabtree
6. Andre Smith
7. Jeremy Maclin
8. B.J. Raji
9. Brian Orakpo
10. Mark Schanzez
11. Aaron Maybin
12. Tyson Jackson
13. Evertte Brown
14. Malcolm Jenkins
15. Chris Wells
16. Clay Matthews
17. Josh Freeman
18. Brian Cushing
19. Vontae Davis
20. Micheal Oher
21. Knowshon Moreno
22. Robert Ayers
23. Darius Butler
24. Larry English
25. Ray Maualuga
26. Hakeem Nicks
27. Eben Britton
28. Evander Hood
29. Brandon Pettigrew
30. Darrius Heyward-Bey
31. LeSean McCoy
32. Peria Jerry

ND72
04-24-2009, 09:10 AM
1. Matthew Stafford, QB - Georgia
2. Jason Smith, OT - Baylor
3. Eugene Monroe, OT - Virginia
4. Mark Sanchez, QB - USC
5. Aaron Curry, LB - Wake
6. Andrea Smith, OT - 'Bama
7. Michael Crabtree, WR - Texas Tech
8. Jeremy Maclin, WR - Mizzou
9. Tyson Jackson, DE - LSU
10. Brian Orakpo, DE - Texas
11. Michael Oher, OT - Ole Miss.
12. Robert Ayers, DE - Tennessee
13. Everette Brown, DE - FSU
14. Brian Cushing, LB - USC
15. Malcom Jenkins, CB - OSU
16. Knowshon Moreno, RB - Georgia
17. Aaron Maybin, DE - Penn St.
18. Rey Maualuga, LB - USC
19. Josh Freeman, QB - Kansas St.
20. Eben Britton, OT - Arizona
21. Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR - Maryland
22. Brandon Pettigrew, TE - Oklahoma St.
23. Clay Mathews, LB - USC
24. Jerry Peria, DT - Ole Miss.
25. Chris Wells, RB - OSU
26. Hakeem Nicks, WR - UNC
27. Percy Harvin, WR - Florida
28. Vontae Davis, CB - Illinois
29. Kenny Britt, WR - Rutgers
30. Evander Hood, DT - Mizzou
31. Donald Brown, RB - UCONN
32. Max Unger, OL - Oregon

Rastak
04-24-2009, 12:39 PM
Okay, upon request my wild assed guesses!


1. Stafford QB
2. J Smith OT
3. Curry LB
4. Sanchez QB
5. Crabtree WR
6. A Smith OT
7. Raji DT
8. Maclin WR
9. Monroe OT
10. Orakpo DE
11. Maybin DE
12. Jackson DE
13. Ayers DE
14. Jenkins CB
15. E Brown DE
16. Oher M OT
17. Nicks WR
18. Wells RB
19. Cushing OLB
20. Peria DT
21. Moreno RB
22. Harvin WR
23. Matthews OLB
24. Hood DT
25. Heyward-Bey WR
26. Davis CB
27. Britt WR
28. Brtton OT
29. Pettigrew TE
30. Maualuga ILB
31. Beatty OT
32. Barwin DE

HarveyWallbangers
04-24-2009, 12:59 PM
1. Matthew Stafford
2. Jason Smith
3. Eugene Monroe
4. Aaron Curry
5. Tyson Jackson
6. Andre Smith
7. Michael Crabtree
8. Mark Sanchez
9. B.J. Raji
10. Michael Oher
11. Brian Orakpo
12. Brian Cushing
13. Jeremy Maclin
14. Malcolm Jenkins
15. Aaron Maybin
16. Robert Ayers
17. Darrius Heyward-Bey
18. Vontae Davis
19. Josh Freeman
20. Peria Jerry
21. Knowshon Moreno
22. Eben Britton
23. Larry English
24. Clay Matthews
25. Darius Butler
26. Rey Maualuga
27. Chris Wells
28. Brandon Pettigrew
29. Kenny Britt
30. Evander Hood
31. Everette Brown
32. Alex Mack

320
3 1/4"

pbmax
04-24-2009, 07:00 PM
Ras, wild assed guesses are the best. I once won a substantial amount of money (fully declared on taxes of course :lol: ) on a draft list compiled 20 minutes before I left to watch at a pub. It was the first time I watched with this group (I knew two of the guys) and after I took their cash, it took 3 years to get invited back. :oops:

pbmax
04-24-2009, 07:31 PM
NFL Beat Writers

1. Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
2. Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
3. Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
4. Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
5. Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech.
6. Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
7. B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College.
8. Mark Sanchez, QB USC.
9. Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
10. Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
11. Brian Orapko, DE, Texas.
12. Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU
13. Michael Oher, OT, Mississppi
14. Aaron Maybin, OLB/DE, Penn State
15. Clay Matthews Jr., LB, USC
16. Rey Maualuga, LB, USC
17. Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State
18. Brian Cushing, OLB, Southern Cal
19. Peria Jerry, DT, Mississippi
20. Ziggy Hood, DT, Missouri
21. Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia.
22. Eben Britton, OT, Arizona
23. Robert Ayers, DE/OLB, Tennessee
24. Larry English, OLB/DE, Northern Illinois
25. Darius Butler, CB, UConn
26. Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
27. Brian Robiskie, WR, Ohio State.
28. Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma
29. Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina
30. Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers
31. Donald Brown, RB, UConn
32. Fili Moala, DL, USC

Tyrone Bigguns
04-24-2009, 07:54 PM
1. Jose Martinez, K, UTEP (ty loves a kicker testing positive for pot)
2. Vontae Davis, CB, Ill (ty loves this drug user and also the high probability he will be a loser like his Vernon)
3. Brian Cushing, LB, USC (steroids...not ty's thing, but still...DRUGS!!)
4. Clay Matthews, LB, USC (team player..somebody has to shoot Cushing in the ass)
5. Percy Harvin, RB, UF (all around partier...joints, bong, etc..this kid can do it all on the field and in the dorms)
6. BJ Raji, DT, BC (tumbles due to unsubstantiated rumors that he has been clean)
7. Phil Loadholt, LT, OU (ty likes the two arrests, ty LOVES the DUI)
8. PJ Hill, RB, UW (flew up the draft boards with his DUI)
9. Rhett bomar, QB, Sam Houston State (ty loves that he took money..something he will be doing to NFL clubs as he sits on the bench)
10. Alex Boone, T, OSU (drunken outburst, tasered...what's not to like?)
11. Jonathan Casillas, LB, UW (multiple DUI's...i like that he is determined to succeed)
12. Dannell Ellerbe, LB, Georgia (charged with felony theft of a motor vehicle, giving false information to police, driving under the influence and underage possession of alcohol....Odell part deux)
13. Arian Foster, RB, Tenn (arrest in his past for disorderly conduct and is considered difficult to deal with)
14. Shonn Greene, RB, Iowa (could be a run on troubled RBs...questionable work ethic...academic issues)
15. Rey Maualuga, LB, USC (arrested for suspicion of misdemeanor battery, and in a separate incident benched for getting out of hand at a party...tumbles on rumors that is was only a suspicion)
16. Jason Simpson, S, Miss (missed bowl game due to pot arrest...timing is everything...and this kid has it in spades)
17. Brandon Pettigrew, TE, OK St (assault and battery of a police officer outside of a party....ty likes his style!!)

MJZiggy
04-24-2009, 08:27 PM
1. Matthew Stafford
2. Aaron Curry
3.Tyson Jackson
4. Mark Sanchez
5. Brian Orakpo
6. Eugene Monroe
7. Michael Crabtree
8. Andre Smith
9. BJ Raji
10. Jeremy Maclin
11. Michael Oher
12. Everette Brown
13. Robert Ayers
14. Malcolm Jenkins
15. Aaron Maybin
16. Rey Maualuga
17. Josh Freeman
18. Brian Cushing
19. Ziggy Hood
20. Peria Jerry
21. Knowshon Moreno
22. Eben Britton
23. Clay Matthews
24. Percy Harvin
25. Larry English
26. Darrius Heyward-Bey
27. Brian Robiskie
28. Chris Wells
29. Kenny Britt
30. Vontae Davis
31. Hakeem Nicks
32. Alex Mack

437
2 3/4 in.

The Shadow
04-24-2009, 09:04 PM
1. Matt Stafford
2. Jason Smith
3. Mark Sanchez
4. Michael Crabtree
5. Aaron Curry
6. Eugene Monroe
7. Tyson Jackson
8. Brian Orakpo
9. B.J. Raji
10. Malcolm Jenkins
11. Michael Oher
12. Knowshon Moreno
13. Aaron Maybin
14. Andre Smith
15. Brian Cushing
16. Everette Brown
17. Rey Maualuga
18. Clay Matthews
19. Jeremy Maclin
20. Peria Jerry
21. Brandon Pettigrew
22. Robert Ayers
23. Darrius Heyward-Bey
24. Chris Wells
25. Darius Butler
26. Josh Freeman
27. James Lauranaitis
28. Vontae Davis
29. Eben Britton
30. Donald Brown
31. Evander Hood
32. Alex Mack

K-town
04-25-2009, 10:11 AM
MY PICKS
1 Matthew Stafford
QB, Georgia

2 Jason Smith
OT, Baylor

3 Aaron Curry
OLB, Wake Forest

4 Mark Sanchez
QB, USC

5 Knowshon Moreno
RB, Georgia

6 Michael Oher
OT, Mississippi

7 Darrius Heyward-Bey
WR, Maryland

8 B.J. Raji
DT, Boston College

9 Tyson Jackson
DE, LSU

10 Michael Crabtree
WR, Texas Tech

11 Eugene Monroe
OT, Virginia

12 Everette Brown
DE, Florida State

13 Josh Freeman
QB, Kansas State

14 Brian Orakpo
DE, Texas

15 Malcolm Jenkins
CB, Ohio State

16 Robert Ayers
DE, Tennessee

17 Andre Smith
OT, Alabama

18 Jeremy Maclin
WR, Missouri

19 Clay Matthews
OLB, USC

20 Brandon Pettigrew
TE, Oklahoma State

21 Chris Wells
RB, Ohio State

22 Hakeem Nicks
WR, North Carolina

23 Brian Cushing
OLB, USC

24 Aaron Maybin
DE, Penn State

25 Louis Delmas
S, Western Michigan

26 Eben Britton
OT, Arizona

27 Vontae Davis
CB, Illinois

28 Peria Jerry
DT, Mississippi

29 Percy Harvin
WR, Florida

30 Max Unger
C, Oregon

31 Donald Brown
RB, Connecticut

32 Rey Maualuga
ILB, USC

jmbarnes101
04-25-2009, 11:31 AM
1. Matt Stafford
2. Mark Sanchez
3. Eugene Monroe
4. Jason Smith
5. Aaron Curry
6. Andre Smith
7. Michael Crabtree
8. B.J. Raji
9. Tyson Jackson
10. Jeremy Macklin
11. Brian Orakpo
12. Malcolm Jenkins
13. Aaron Maybin
14. Beanie Wells
15. Brian Cushing
16. Rey Maualuga
17. Josh Freeman
18. Robert Ayers
19. Knoshown Moreno
20. Michael Oher
21. Darrius Heyward-Bey
22. Eben Britton
23. Clay Matthews
24. Evander Hood
25. Everette Brown
26. Percy Harvin
27. James Laurinaitis
28. Brandon Pettigrew
29. Hakeem Nicks
30. Vontae Davis
31. Kenny Britt
32. Alex Mack

Bub
04-25-2009, 12:53 PM
I'll play along

1 Matt Stafford
2 Jason Smith
3 Aaron Curry
4 Michael Crabtree
5 BJ Raji
6 Eugene Monroe
7 Andre Smith
8 BrianOrakpo
9 Tyson Jackson
10 Mark Sanchez
11 Michael Oher
12 Knowshon Moreno
13 Jeremy Maclin
14 Malcolm Jenkins
15 Darius Buttler
16 Robert Ayers
17 Aaron Maybin
18 Everette Brown
19 Josh Freeman
20 Peria Jerry
21 Chris Wells
22 Percy Harvin
23 Brian Cushing
24 Rey Maualuga
25 Darrius Heywood-Bey
26 Clay Matthews
27 Brian Robiskie
28 Conner Barwin
29 Brandon Pettigrew
30 Evander Hood
31 Larry English
32 Eben Britton

Tiebreaker 1 - 489.5
Tiebreaker 2 - 3 7/32

MJZiggy
04-25-2009, 01:07 PM
.5?

pbmax
04-25-2009, 01:28 PM
PFT Planet Consensus Mock Draft

1. Lions: Matthew Stafford.
2. Rams: Jason Smith.
3. Chiefs: Aaron Curry.
4. Seahawks: Eugene Monroe.
5. Browns: B.J. Raji.
6. Bengals: Andre Smith.
7. Raiders: Michael Crabtree.
8. Redskins (from Jaguars): Mark Sanchez.
9. Packers: Brian Orakpo.
10. 49ers: Michael Oher.
11. Bills: Aaron Maybin.
12. Broncos: Tyson Jackson.
13. Jaguars (from Redskins): Jeremy Maclin.
14. Saints: Malcolm Jenkins.
15. Texans: Brian Cushing.
16. Chargers: Rey Maualuga.
17. Jets: Josh Freeman.
18. Broncos: Peria Jerry.
19. Bucs: Everette Brown.
20. Lions: James Laurinaitis.
21. Eagles: Knowshon Moreno.
22. Vikings: Percy Harvin.
23. Patriots: Clay Matthews.
24. Falcons: Vontae Davis.
25. Dolphins: Robert Ayers.
26. Ravens: Hakeem Nicks.
27. Colts: Ziggy Hood.
28. Bills: Brandon Pettigrew.
29. Giants: Kenny Britt.
30. Titans: Darrius Heyward-Bey.
31. Cardinals: Beanie Wells.
32. Steelers: Alex Mack.

wist43
04-25-2009, 01:29 PM
Have no clue about this... throwing darts, lol :lol:

1. Matt Stafford
2. Jason Smith
3. Aaron Curry
4. Eugene Monroe
5. Michael Crabtree
6. Andre Smith
7. Jeremy Maclin
8. Mark Sanchez
9. Tyson Jackson
10. B.J. Raji
11. Michael Oher
12. Brian Orakpo
13. Rey Maualuga
14. Chris Wells
15. Aaron Maybin
16. Darius Butler
17. Everette Brown
18. Brian Cushing
19. Peria Jerry
20. Eben Britton
21. Vontae Davis
22. Percy Harvin
23. Larry English
24. Knowshon Moreno
25. Malcom Jenkins
26. Evander Hood
27. Kenny Britt
28. Max Unger
29. DHB
30. Clay Matthews
31. Donald Brown
32. Alphonso Smith

retailguy
04-25-2009, 02:03 PM
From my favorite "source".... I don't know much about college players.

1. Matthew Stafford
2. Jason Smith
3. Tyson Jackson
4. Aaron Curry
5. Andre Smith
6. Michael Crabtree
7. Jeremy Maclin
8. Eugene Monroe
9. Malcolm Jenkins
10. Michael Oher
11. Aaron Maybin
12. B.J. Raji
13. Mark Sanchez
14. Vontae Davis
15. Clay Matthews
16. Brian Cushing
17. Darrius Heyward-Bey
18. Brian Orakpo
19. Robert Ayers
20. Brandon Pettigrew
21. Knowshon Moreno
22. Josh Freeman
23. Peria Jerry
24. Darius Butler
25. Paul Kruger
26. Rey Maualuga
27. Beanie Wells
28. Max Unger
29. Ziggy Hood
30. Alphonso Smith
31. Donald Brown
32. Eric Wood

HarveyWallbangers
04-25-2009, 02:09 PM
From my favorite "source".... I don't know much about college players.

pbmax already beat you to Gosselin's mock draft.

retailguy
04-25-2009, 02:13 PM
From my favorite "source".... I don't know much about college players.

pbmax already beat you to Gosselin's mock draft.

Oh well. guess I should have read the thread. I switched one pick though, I just don't think the Browns take Crabtree. I think the Bengals take him, because I think they are tired of Chad whoever he is this year.

guess I'm disqualified because I'm slow. :wink:

DonHutson
04-25-2009, 02:17 PM
1. M. Stafford
2. J. Smith
3. T. Jackson
4. M. Sanchez
5. A. Curry
6. E. Monroe
7. A. Smith
8. J. Maclin
9. M. Crabtree
10. M. Oher
11. R. Ayers
12. BJ Raji
13. B. Orakpo
14. M. Jenkins
15. A. Maybin
16. R. Maualuga
17. J. Freeman
18. B. Cushing
19. E. Brown
20. E. Britton
21. K. Moreno
22. D. Heyward-Bey
23. C. Wells
24. V. Davis
25. B. Pettigrew
26. H. Nicks
27. B. Robiskie
28. P. Jerry
29. K. Britt
30. E. Hood
31. D. Brown
32. L. English

HarveyWallbangers
04-25-2009, 04:02 PM
My board is screwed already. Should have believed the Raiders rumors. Senile Al.

K-town
04-25-2009, 04:20 PM
I got the Raider pick correct. I sure as shit hope this doesn't mean I'm on the same wavelength as Al.

HarveyWallbangers
04-25-2009, 04:22 PM
1. Matthew Stafford - RIGHT
2. Jason Smith - RIGHT
3. Eugene Monroe - WRONG
4. Aaron Curry - RIGHT
5. Tyson Jackson - WRONG
6. Andre Smith - RIGHT
7. Michael Crabtree - WRONG
8. Mark Sanchez - WRONG
9. B.J. Raji - RIGHT
10. Michael Oher
11. Brian Orakpo
12. Brian Cushing
13. Jeremy Maclin
14. Malcolm Jenkins
15. Aaron Maybin
16. Robert Ayers
17. Darrius Heyward-Bey
18. Vontae Davis
19. Josh Freeman
20. Peria Jerry
21. Knowshon Moreno
22. Eben Britton
23. Larry English
24. Clay Matthews
25. Darius Butler
26. Rey Maualuga
27. Chris Wells
28. Brandon Pettigrew
29. Kenny Britt
30. Evander Hood
31. Everette Brown
32. Alex Mack

5 of 9 - probably not too bad. I got the Packers pick right.

HarveyWallbangers
04-25-2009, 05:15 PM
Suddenly, I'm 6 of 19. Do I get 1/2 point for picking Freeman to the Bucs?

pbmax
04-25-2009, 08:08 PM
OK, Excel and I have gotten over our differences and came up with this result. Please post or PM me if I have something wrong as I was obviously crazy to do text comparisons in Excel.



PFT Planet Consensus 9
PBMax 8
retailguy 7
packers11 6
Rastak 6
Harvey Wallbangers 6
The Shadow 6
jmbarnes 6
Bub 6
Don Hutson 6
Joemailman 5
K-town 5
NFL Beat Writers 4
MJZiggy 4
wist43 4
Waldo 3
packrulz 3
ND72 3


The wisdom of the mob and Rich Gosselin win again! :D