The official 2009 DRAFT thread

[Sparkey]

OMG

#2 and both #3's for that ?

[retailguy]

Little surprised. Well, I think our day is done now.

3rd round done too! second and two thirds! WOW

[red]

whoa

my god we gave up the farm for him

2nd and both 3's

i really hate the pick now

[pack4to84]

2nd rd, both 3rd rd. Wow

[Bretsky]

WOW

BILL BELLICHECK


THANK YOU FOR FLEECING US

[Rastak]

Little surprised. Well, I think our day is done now.


No, I think the draft will continue.....


Packers gave up their 2 and a pair of 3's,.......holy shit!

[Lurker64]

I like Matthews, he's a fearless, crazy guy, kind of in the Kevin Greene mold. Solid bloodlines, intense football player.

What did we give up?

[Partial]

Love this pick. Think he is going to be a very good football player.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Wells, Britton, Barwin, Beatty, Sintim, Delmas, S. Smith, and E. Brown are the top guys for me for the Packers on the board right now.

I'd be okay with them, Matthews, or Maualuga.

I wasn't even considering those two because I figured they'd be gone soon.

[gbpackfan]

Hopefully we gave up our 2nd 3rd round pick

[Gunakor]

I like Matthews, he's a fearless, crazy guy, kind of in the Kevin Greene mold. Solid bloodlines, intense football player.

What did we give up?

Way too much.

[HarveyWallbangers]

This draft seems poor. I bet Thompson trades one of our picks for a pick in 2010.

I guess TT disagrees with you.....

Why?

[mission]

Cushing is the guy suspected of being on roids... just look at his face structure, definitely something going on there.

[channtheman]

Anyone got the trade details?

[wist43]

We got raped in that trade...

[Partial]

WOW

BILL BELLICHECK


THANK YOU FOR FLEECING US

I applaud TT for doing whatever it took to get the player he wants. Kudos!

[Packnut]

Wow. Stunned right now. I wanted a need pick but we gave up the farm. :?

[gbpackfan]

jsonline reporting we gave up a 2nd and 3rd but got back a 3rd

[Gunakor]

Hopefully we gave up our 2nd 3rd round pick

We gave up our second round pick, and BOTH of our 3rds. Incredible. TT must really REALLY like this guy for what he gave up to get him. This is a very un-Thompson like move.

[imscott72]

OMG

#2 and both #3's for that ?

No fucking way...

[retailguy]

jsonline reporting we gave up a 2nd and 3rd but got back a 3rd

got back a 5th according to NFLN

[cpk1994]

Anyone got the trade details?Patriots traded their 1st round and a 5th for the Packers 2nd round and both 3 round picks.

[Sparkey]

OMG

#2 and both #3's for that ?

No fucking way...

way :cry:

[packers11]

he Patriots will trade #26 (1st Round) and #162 (5th Round) in exchange for Green Bay's #41 (2nd round), #73(3rd round) and #83 (3rd round)

[gbpackfan]

Guys, I think we swapped 3rds with NE!

[Partial]

Cushing is the guy suspected of being on roids... just look at his face structure, definitely something going on there.

Roids don't change the shape of your skull, dude :D

He's just an ugly mug. He's probably on the roids, though.

[mission]

jsonline reporting we gave up a 2nd and 3rd but got back a 3rd

this makes A LOT more sense :idea:

[Lurker64]

jsonline reporting we gave up a 2nd and 3rd but got back a 3rd

So we swapped thirds for to turn our second into a first? Totally worth it.

[Rastak]

This draft seems poor. I bet Thompson trades one of our picks for a pick in 2010.

I guess TT disagrees with you.....

Why?


Cause if it was bad you'd just make your picks then cut them. He obviously felt somebody in the draft was good to burn all those picks.

[Bretsky]

dang I hope we got a 3rd back :!:

[gbpackfan]

he Patriots will trade #26 (1st Round) and #162 (5th Round) in exchange for Green Bay's #41 (2nd round), #73(3rd round) and #83 (3rd round)

What! Ouch!!!!

[Sparkey]

NFLN says #2 and both 3's

[wist43]

Loved the Raji pick...

But got absolutely fucked in the ass on that trade... wow!!!!

[Gunakor]

jsonline reporting we gave up a 2nd and 3rd but got back a 3rd

So we swapped thirds for to turn our second into a first? Totally worth it.

If it's a 5th it's not. If it's a 3rd I'm okay with it.

[Rastak]

jsonline reporting we gave up a 2nd and 3rd but got back a 3rd

So we swapped thirds for to turn our second into a first? Totally worth it.


NFLN said it was a 5 coming back.....

[HarveyWallbangers]

I don't like trading up, so I don't like this. I say a big screw you to all of those that have been hammering Ted Thompson for not trading up.
:D

[channtheman]

WOW

BILL BELLICHECK


THANK YOU FOR FLEECING US

I applaud TT for doing whatever it took to get the player he wants. Kudos!

That's what I am thinking too. We KNOW that TT would not trade all that if he isn't high on this guy. TT must know something about Matthews.

[Guiness]

um, wow?

Has TT ever done anything REMOTELY like that before?

[retailguy]

I don't like trading up, so I don't like this. I say a big screw you to all of those that have been hammering Ted Thompson for not trading up.
:D

:taunt:

[HarveyWallbangers]

NFLN said it was a 5 coming back.....

Why do you think Ted Thompson disagrees with me about the quality of this draft?

[Guiness]

Posted this in the Raji thread by accident, meant it to be here...


----------------------

ok, so I'm looking at the picks already made...and here are a few thoughts:

Poor Stafford. You just have to think he won't survive there. His rookie deal will be nice, and maybe he can play sax to back up Joey in his current career as a jazz pianist.

Tyson Jackson all the way up at #3? Wow, did ANYONE call that? Kudos Waldo for trumpeting him.

Jets can't be happy with the way the Favre thing played out. Lose a high second for a one year rental, and now spend a top 5 to replace him.

DHB before Crabtree...have to wonder why. The foot?

Larry English in the top half of the first. I didn't see anything that predicted that. Listed as a DE as well? That he went before Mathews and Maualuga is surprising.

Forum choice, Oher, at 23. And listed as a guard. We'll see.

[Charles Woodson]

with our picks, the pats have 4 2nd round picks, and 4 thirds

[Fosco33]

clay matthews - nickle linebacker and st-er.

[retailguy]

um, wow?



Has TT ever done anything REMOTELY like that before?

Nope. Not even close. :D

[Rastak]

I don't like trading up, so I don't like this. I say a big screw you to all of those that have been hammering Ted Thompson for not trading up.
:D


Trade ups are ok but this was a rather large jump.....I usually wouldn't go for that.

[Bretsky]

Is Clay Matthews a star ?

Maybe he is but I thought he was a solid 2nd rounder

[mission]

Cushing is the guy suspected of being on roids... just look at his face structure, definitely something going on there.

Roids don't change the shape of your skull, dude :D

He's just an ugly mug. He's probably on the roids, though.

I don't know the names of all this shit but there are certain drugs you take between cycles to help with the whole process. Helps you cycle down/off/ etc... Im sure other guys know the specifics more.

Anyway, same shit that trannies take to gain breast growth and promote feminine features. Just different doses. Look it up.

[Charles Woodson]

Is Clay Matthews a star ?

Maybe he is but I thought he was a solid 2nd rounder
im going to chalk this one up to the fact that TT knows way more then me

[Partial]

NFLN said it was a 5 coming back.....

Why do you think Ted Thompson disagrees with me about the quality of this draft?

If anything, I think this confirms this, Harv. He doesn't see the depth so he's trading up to get a good player.

What do you think of Matthews? I like the player a lot, but I wonder if we couldn't have gotten better value by waiting and seeing who fell to us.

[rbaloha1]

Matthews looks good on paper. Nice numbers. Unsure about Matthews physicality though. Preferred Barwin.

Must trust TT and Capers on this one. TT must also feel confident about players in the later rounds.

So much for Poppinga, Chillar, Thompson and Hunter.

[Rastak]

Indy takes Donald Brown.....


Overall Football Traits

Production 2 2005: Connecticut red-shirts Brown. 2006: Brown starts five of the 12 games he plays in rushing for a total of 896 yards and seven touchdowns on 161 carries. He also catches 13 passes for a total of 66 yards and two touchdowns and returns nine kickoffs. 2007: Brown starts five of the 12 games he plays in rushing for a total of 821 yards and eight touchdowns on 170 carries. He also catches 14 passes for a total of 85 yards. 2008: Brown starts 12 of the 13 game he plays in rushing for a total of 2,083 yards and 18 touchdowns on 367 carries. He is the only FBS player to breach the 2,000 rushing-yard mark this year. Brown also catches 21 passes for a total of 125 yards.

Height-Weight-Speed 3 Brown has adequate height and he's built well but he lacks elite size and breakaway speed.

Durability 2 Missed 2007 Virginia game with an ankle injury.

Character 2 Lost starting job after injuring ankle midway through the 2007 season but fought back and retook starting job this year.
Running Back specific Traits
Competitiveness 2 Runs east-west too much, chops feet behind the line of scrimmage too much and needs to be more aggressive when isn't able to locate a seam. Drives legs and fights for yards after contact but doesn't appear to have ideal lower body strength and going to have problems pushing the pile in short-yardage situations. Flashes an effective stiff arm in space. Effort in pass protection is inconsistent.

Vision 2 Patient, lets blockers get into position and can bounce runs outside when defense is too quick to collapse inside. Excellent instincts and senses backside defenders closing in on him. Took eye off the ball and muffed a pitch during 2008 Louisville game. Appears to peak at front side of the play before the snap throughout the 2008 Louisville game.

Explosiveness 2 Adequate to above-average initial quickness and can turn the corner. While flashes a second gear when gets into space quicker than fast and isn't going to run away from many NFL defenders.
Balance/Change-of-Directions 2 Shows good lateral mobility when looking for a seam between the tackles and can cut back against the grain. Above-average balance and sideline awareness. Makes crisp cuts at second level and flashes the ability to make first defender miss but lacks prototypical elusiveness.

Passing Game 3 Shows adequate awareness and flashes ability to cut legs out from under rushing linebackers but is going to have hard time anchoring when doesn't go low. Rounds too many cuts off and isn't a crisp route runner at this point. Has some experience motioning out wide.

[gbpackfan]

NFL.com has NE having both our 3rd round picks. And our 2nd. OMG! What the fuck!

TT got murdered!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fosco33]

Brett Favre trade (83) used for a LBer.
TT just gave up quite a bit for this guy...

[Bretsky]

I don't like trading up, so I don't like this. I say a big screw you to all of those that have been hammering Ted Thompson for not trading up.
:D


Trade ups are ok but this was a rather large jump.....I usually wouldn't go for that.



ditto; each deal is in it's own context

I'm more shocked at the player we traded up for than the trade up

[channtheman]

Do we still have our second? If we only traded 2 3's to move into the first with a 5th and STILL have our second, this is a great trade!

[MJZiggy]

I'm really hoping one of the solid OLB prospects are available in round 2. Could see TT trading up to get one here if they start to get picked.

Brown, Matthews, Sintim, and Barwin are all still on the board. I'd be happy with any of those guys at 9.

I have a soft spot in my heart for Ziggy. I think that he is Castillo 2.

I always knew you had a thing for me... :P

[Gunakor]

Is Clay Matthews a star ?

Maybe he is but I thought he was a solid 2nd rounder

I think he went around where he should have gone, but I don't think it was worth what we gave up for the pick. We could have really used at least one of those 3rd round picks. I'm expecting TT to trade up again for an OT or we might really be in trouble there.

[jmbarnes101]

Well at least we got somebody I think will be a player but I'm surprised as heck and I hope we got back a 3rd and not a 5th. We said we needed a cover LB as opposed to a pass-rusher correct? If that's the case he fits the bill.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Is Clay Matthews a star ?

Maybe he is but I thought he was a solid 2nd rounder

To be fair, I thought Matthews would get selected by the Pats or Falcons at 23 or 24, so I thought he'd go around here. I also thought Harvin would drop out of the 1st round and I picked Raji going to the Pack at #9, but thought that might be a longshot. As far as players, I've liked the picks. As far as trading up, I don't like to do it.

[Gunakor]

Do we still have our second? If we only traded 2 3's to move into the first with a 5th and STILL have our second, this is a great trade!

Nope, 2nd is gone too.

[Partial]

Is Clay Matthews a star ?

Maybe he is but I thought he was a solid 2nd rounder

I think he could be. Did you see him against OSU? He and Maualuga were all over the field!!!

[Rastak]

Bills take Eric Wood.........


Overall Football Traits

Production 2 2004: Louisville red-shirts Wood. 2005-'08: Wood starts 37 consecutive games during his four seasons of eligibility. Earns first-team All-Big East honors in 2007 and 2008; second-team All-Big East honors in 2006 and Freshman All-American honors in 2005.

Height-Weight-Speed 2 Is tall with adequate bulk and the frame to get even bigger if necessary. Ran the second-fastest times of the OC's participating at this year's Combine.

Durability 1 Started 49 consecutive games during his final four seasons at Louisville (2005-'08).

Character 1 Consistent, reliable player. Named team captain in 2008. No off-the-field issues to our knowledge. Is a hard worker on and off the field.

Offensive Center specific Traits

Strength/Toughness 2 Plays with a mean streak and stays in position once locked on. Shows adequate but not great lower body strength and doesn't deliver a violent initial punch.

Agility 2 He's a bit top-heavy with a barrel chest but surprisingly agile for that body type. Shows good range as a second-level run blocker. Displays good initial quickness but doesn't play with the type of athleticism he showed at this year's Combine, where he ran the second-fastest 40-time of all the participating OC's and also finished in the top-five in the vertical jump (30.5'), short shuttle (4.51 seconds) and three-cone drill (7.56 seconds).

Awareness 2 Great playing experience. Recognition skills are improving. Will still get caught out of position on occasion but did a better job in 2008 of picking up stunts and blitzes than earlier in his career. Does an outstanding job of selling screens.

Pass Protection 2 Shows sound footwork and works hard to stay in front of defender. Shows good initial quickness but lacks ideal mirror-and-slide skills. Plays a bit high at times and gives too much ground to bull rushers when he's not playing with good leverage.

Run Blocking 2 Fast enough to turn the corner when asked to pull and gets downfield quickly on screens but plays with a narrow base and loses balance at times. Rarely takes false steps, gets adequate hand placement and feet are active once in position. Displays adequate strength at the point of attack and shows mean streak to finish his blocks. Still, he doesn't deliver a violent initial punch and isn't going to drive many two-gap nose tackles off the ball.

[Bretsky]

Is Clay Matthews a star ?

Maybe he is but I thought he was a solid 2nd rounder
im going to chalk this one up to the fact that TT knows way more then me



TT must've loved the guy cause he gave up a shitload

[HarveyWallbangers]

What does the value chart say about this trade? Seems like too much because the 3rd round picks were pretty high?

[mission]

He reminds me a lot of Kevin Greene...

[red]

i'm still in shock, time to start drinking

anyone else think mathews might be a replacement for barnett? maybe try and trade nick for more picks?

otherwise i don't get it because i never saw him as a possibility for olb in the 3-4

[MateoInMex]

WOW

BILL BELLICHECK


THANK YOU FOR FLEECING US

I applaud TT for doing whatever it took to get the player he wants. Kudos!

Sincerely,

Mike CHarmin and BJ Sander

[packrulz]

TT was a LB for Houston, so he knows LB's. How do we know Kampman or any of the other guys can cover Wr's, TE's, RB's AND rush the passer? We needed an OLB, Clay was the best one left.

[channtheman]

Do we still have our second? If we only traded 2 3's to move into the first with a 5th and STILL have our second, this is a great trade!

Nope, 2nd is gone too.

I don't know about that so much. Matthews must have something TT really iikes.

Could ESPN do a shittier job announcing what the trade details are? I don't think they have outlined ANY of them.

[retailguy]

Ted gave up a lot, but it is a very BOLD move, so I surely won't criticize it!

Me thinks that Poppinga is in the doghouse.... We did need LB depth though!

Ted must not really like the middle rounds in this draft. WOW.

I'm stunned.

[Gunakor]

Is Clay Matthews a star ?

Maybe he is but I thought he was a solid 2nd rounder
im going to chalk this one up to the fact that TT knows way more then me



TT must've loved the guy cause he gave up a shitload

Dom probably had a bit of imput on this deal too.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Not that it matters, but a lot of people like Matthews. I saw him going in the mid teens in some mocks. Most had him gone by pick 23 or 24.

[Bretsky]

Is Clay Matthews a star ?

Maybe he is but I thought he was a solid 2nd rounder

I think he could be. Did you see him against OSU? He and Maualuga were all over the field!!!


He didn't start til a LB was injured in game one, I think, of his SR year.

He's a great character...classic leader....very solid player. Flies around; great guy. Overachiever from what I read.

Just doesn't seem like the guy you'd give up the farm for

[rbaloha1]

He reminds me a lot of Kevin Greene...

Not even close. TT better be right since he traded away 3 picks.

[Sparkey]

2009 Scout.com NFL Draft Rankings (full list):
Pos: OLB Pos Rank: #3 Pos Rating: *****

Scout.com Player Evaluation:
STRENGTHS
Athleticism
Speed
Tackling Technique

AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT
Shedding Ability
Size

Matthews is a versatile linebacker who can play all three LB positions. He has great size and quickness and can impact a game in many ways. He’s an instinctive player who has great range and anticipation skills. He’s disruptive off the edge and makes a lot of plays in the backfield. He’s an outstanding blitzer and is aggressive at the point of attack. He’s an opportunistic defender who’s always around the ball. - Chris Steuber, Scout.com

[Bretsky]

Is Clay Matthews a star ?

Maybe he is but I thought he was a solid 2nd rounder
im going to chalk this one up to the fact that TT knows way more then me



TT must've loved the guy cause he gave up a shitload

Dom probably had a bit of imput on this deal too.


Well we were off

I guess we're just fine at OT :?:

[Joemailman]

Packers.com says pack only gave up the 2 3's and got a 5th.

[Fosco33]

NE will get one of the USC LB's.


Clay Matthews just seems like a Bellichek guy

sorta :P

[retailguy]

Packers.com says pack only gave up the 2 3's and got a 5th.

That is not what NFLN says, but I hope it is right!

[Packnut]

Well, I remember someone on ESPN the other night who was very very high on Mathews. Gave up a lot.

But, I hate Poppinga so much anything is worth not having to watch him wrap up another RB high.

I don't know, just don't know...........

[Gunakor]

i'm still in shock, time to start drinking

anyone else think mathews might be a replacement for barnett? maybe try and trade nick for more picks?

otherwise i don't get it because i never saw him as a possibility for olb in the 3-4

Think maybe Hawk could play outside opposite Kampy with Barnett and Matthews inside? I don't know, but I always thought Hawk might be okay outside. Said before the FA spree that if we got Bart Scott that Hawk would be playing outside anyway, so maybe that's what happens.

[Bretsky]

Not that it matters, but a lot of people like Matthews. I saw him going in the mid teens in some mocks. Most had him gone by pick 23 or 24.


From everything I read he's definitely a Packer person and the spot he went was probably about right

Curious about the charts; giving 3 high picks for a late 1st and a late 5th seems like an ugly value deal

[HarveyWallbangers]

Here is what Brandt's site had as a writeup.


The Good: An ideal 3-4 outside linebacker prospect who plays with great instincts and read-and-react skills at the line of scrimmage. Is a fluid athlete in his drop and has the ability to stay with tight ends in man coverage. Is a polished blitzer with the power to bull rush defenders and the lateral ability to slip blocks. A physical tackler who breaks down well in the hole and can fill gaps inside.

The Bad: Has only one year of starting experience and was surrounded by elite talent at USC. Needs to do a better job taking on blocks in the hole and using his hands to shed once he is engaged.

Here is what Pro Football Weekly wrote:


Positives: Very good size and growth potential. Instinctive. Gives maximum effort and energy. Hustler. Plays with intensity and can be disruptive. Is physical at the line. Presses off blocks and pressures the passer. Creative defensive playmaker. Positional flexible — played DE and OLB spots and is intelligent enough to play any linebacker spot. Intriguing upside as a pass rusher — excellent get-off confirmed by superb 10-yard times (1.49) at the Combine. Weight-room warrior. Selfless team player with special-teams ability. Showed he could drop into coverage effectively at the Senior Bowl. Demonstrated nice lateral movement at the Combine by impressing in the short shuttle. Has NFL pedigree — football is in his blood.

Negatives: Only a one-year starter. Average career production. Does not have extensive experience playing in reverse and dropping into coverage. Hand use is raw. Needs to learn how to set blockers up and execute a full repertoire of pass-rush moves. Average sack totals.

Summary: Walked on at the most talent-laden program in the country, earned a scholarship and became an impact player by his senior year. Steadily improved his stock in his final year and continued his postseason ascent at the Senior Bowl and the Combine, where he worked out and interviewed exceptionally well. A late bloomer with major upside as a 3-4 rush linebacker. Will require some patience, but his personal history and bloodlines suggest he will reach his potential.

Grade: First-round talent.

I hadn't really read any of the writeups on him, but these are very encouraging.

[imscott72]

I don't like trading up, so I don't like this. I say a big screw you to all of those that have been hammering Ted Thompson for not trading up.
:D

I'm not against trading up, but my God we got fucked. I'm shocked TT did this.

[channtheman]

I hope Wells falls to Arizona. This could be good for them BIG TIME!

[Gunakor]

Is Clay Matthews a star ?

Maybe he is but I thought he was a solid 2nd rounder
im going to chalk this one up to the fact that TT knows way more then me



TT must've loved the guy cause he gave up a shitload

Dom probably had a bit of imput on this deal too.


Well we were off

I guess we're just fine at OT :?:

I'm expecting another trade up from TT. Weird hey? But we do need a RT, and there's only so many left.

[Rastak]

Giants take Hakeem Nicks.......they got their Plax replacement.....


Overall Football Traits

Production 1 2006: Nicks starts 11 games during true freshman season catching 39 passes for a total of 660 yards and four touchdowns. He gets one carry and picks up 10 yards. Nicks returns five kickoffs for a total of 101 yards. (20.2 yard avg.) 2007: Nicks starts 10 of the 12 games he appears in catching 74 passes for a total of 958 yards and five touchdowns. He gets one carry and loses a yard. 2008: Nicks starts all 13 games catching 68 passes for 1,222 yards and 12 touchdowns. He rushed for 34 yards and a touchdown on five carries. Hicks returns seven kickoffs for a total of 134 yards (19.1 yard avg.).

Height-Weight-Speed 3 Adequate height, prototypical bulk and only decent top-end speed.

Durability 2 Missed 2006 South Florida game with an ankle injury. Strained hamstring at combine.

Character 3 Added 14 pounds from Combine to Pro Day for no good reason. Questions arising about his consistent work habits maturity, as a result. On one hand, you love his competitiveness. On the other, it can be distracting when he becomes frustrated not getting enough touches. No off-the-field issues to our knowledge, though.

Wide Receiver specific Traits

Separation Skills 2 Shows above-average footwork coming off the line and is strong enough to muscle a clean release when corners try to jam him. However, he lacks ideal initial quickness and takes too long to eat up cushion. Fluid enough coming out of breaks but lacks the burst to consistently separate from man coverage at the NFL level. Needs to do a better job of working back to the quarterback when he gets flushed out of the pocket.

Ball Skills 2 Possesses huge, strong hands. Extends arms and can snatch ball out of air. Opens hips well enough to adjust to passes thrown behind him and flashes rare focus when the ball is in the air. (See third-quarter third-and-seven catch during 2008 Meineke Car Care Bowl) Does an adequate job of adjusting to passes thrown below waist. Uses frame to box out corners when has back to the defense and flashes ability to make tough catches in traffic.

Vertical Speed 3 Isn't fast enough to run past NFL corners but still fast enough to make the occasional play downfield and does an excellent job of tracking the ball.

Run After Catch 3 Runs hard and flashes an effective spin move. Displays good vision as a runner and navigates fluidly through traffic. Strong runner and DB's struggle to bring him down. However, he lacks ideal elusiveness and isn't going to make multiple defenders miss when gets into space. He also lacks a second-gear to run away from defenders.
Competitiveness and Toughness 2 A strong, physical receiver who competes hard when the ball is in the air. Makes tough catches in traffic and is not afraid to go over the middle. Runs hard and flashes the ability to pick up yards after contact at times but slips out of bounds instead of lowering his shoulder into defenders at other times. Can gear down when isn't first option (See first quarter of 2008 Miami game). Flashes ability to seal defenders inside but shows questionable-at-best effort when blocking and doesn't try to spring other receivers by throwing blocks downfield. Doesn't deliver a violent initial punch.

[Partial]

God damnit. Would have been nice to get a 3rd back.

Matthews ...

pause:

Look at that fat bastard cheering for the Hakeem Nicks' pick. He's going wild!!!!


end puase.


Matthews looks very fast off the right edge. I love how those USC LB's actually play they Spartans. They hit so F'in hard. I really like the player. Not sure how I feel about giving up that much more him, but I'm sure TT definitely thought this one through. I trust him.

[Bretsky]

Well, I remember someone on ESPN the other night who was very very high on Mathews. Gave up a lot.

But, I hate Poppinga so much anything is worth not having to watch him wrap up another RB high.

I don't know, just don't know...........



shut up and show your turtle love :!: :lol:

[Rastak]

Is Clay Matthews a star ?

Maybe he is but I thought he was a solid 2nd rounder
im going to chalk this one up to the fact that TT knows way more then me



TT must've loved the guy cause he gave up a shitload

Dom probably had a bit of imput on this deal too.


Well we were off

I guess we're just fine at OT :?:

I'm expecting another trade up from TT. Weird hey? But we do need a RT, and there's only so many left.


I was thinking the same thing but I don't know if they have the ammo to do that now.

I'm hoping the Vikes move up to get Loadholt if he falls far enough. I wouldn't want to pay the packers kings ransom to move WAY up though.

[HarveyWallbangers]

From Yahoo:


Analysis: The Packers needed to add another edge rusher to their new 3-4 scheme and Matthews should fit in nicely. He is a gifted athlete who plays with a good motor and has a nose for the ball. This is a nice value at the end of the first round and Matthews should be able to play on all three downs in Green Bay.

[Bretsky]

Is Clay Matthews a star ?

Maybe he is but I thought he was a solid 2nd rounder
im going to chalk this one up to the fact that TT knows way more then me



TT must've loved the guy cause he gave up a shitload

Dom probably had a bit of imput on this deal too.


Well we were off

I guess we're just fine at OT :?:

I'm expecting another trade up from TT. Weird hey? But we do need a RT, and there's only so many left.



But we don't have anything left to trade up with ??????????

[Gunakor]

Presser about to start on Packers.com... Audio just turned on.

[Packnut]

Well, I remember someone on ESPN the other night who was very very high on Mathews. Gave up a lot.

But, I hate Poppinga so much anything is worth not having to watch him wrap up another RB high.

I don't know, just don't know...........



shut up and show your turtle love :!: :lol:

Yeah fuck it, your right, I wanted help on D and Teddy accomplished that. Mathews has potential. With the right guy teaching him, he could be a stud 3 years down the line. In any event, he's better than the 2 outside guys we have right now.

[MateoInMex]

Somone's gonna approach the podium on Packers.com, 'cuz they just covered the big screen up with the PACKERS LOGO BACKDROP

[Rastak]

ESPN Insider on the Vikes Pick.,....I'll post Matthews when it becomes available....


22. Minnesota Vikings
The pick: Percy Harvin, WR, Florida
What he brings: Harvin possess rare and dynamic open-field capabilities. He runs with a low center of gravity, which allows to get in and out of his cuts effortlessly. He also shows an elite burst and has the acceleration to take it the distance. Although Harvin will need some tweaking with his route-running his overall athleticism is too much to pass up at this point.

How he fits: This is the biggest boom-or-bust pick in the draft so far. He is likely the most dynamic player with the ball in his hands to come out since Reggie Bush, but there are character and durability concerns with Harvin. He is an amazing athlete, but playing indoors on the surface in Minnesota causes us some concern with his foot issues. It wouldn't surprise us if he becomes a superstar, but he must mature and become more accountable.

[Gunakor]

Is Clay Matthews a star ?

Maybe he is but I thought he was a solid 2nd rounder
im going to chalk this one up to the fact that TT knows way more then me



TT must've loved the guy cause he gave up a shitload

Dom probably had a bit of imput on this deal too.


Well we were off

I guess we're just fine at OT :?:

I'm expecting another trade up from TT. Weird hey? But we do need a RT, and there's only so many left.



But we don't have anything left to trade up with ??????????

4 and two 5's to move back up into the 3rd?

[Fosco33]

Who do u guys want at 41? What about Favre trade pick at 83 (my guess - tt trades that one to piss off favre).

Called this one an hour before the Matthews pick :P

[channtheman]

God damnit. Would have been nice to get a 3rd back.

Matthews ...

pause:

Look at that fat bastard cheering for the Hakeem Nicks' pick. He's going wild!!!!


end puase.


Matthews looks very fast off the right edge. I love how those USC LB's actually play they Spartans. They hit so F'in hard. I really like the player. Not sure how I feel about giving up that much more him, but I'm sure TT definitely thought this one through. I trust him.

I expected that fat ass to be holding a bucket of KFC or something! I like the pick even though we gave up a lot. If TT doesn't see anything in the 3rd round area than I say it was a great trade. Instead of getting 2 shit players that don't contribute, get one who you think can come in and start immediately.

[Bretsky]

God damnit. Would have been nice to get a 3rd back.

Matthews ...

pause:

Look at that fat bastard cheering for the Hakeem Nicks' pick. He's going wild!!!!


end puase.


Matthews looks very fast off the right edge. I love how those USC LB's actually play they Spartans. They hit so F'in hard. I really like the player. Not sure how I feel about giving up that much more him, but I'm sure TT definitely thought this one through. I trust him.




Since when have you trusted TT ??

I hope to be proven wrong but I'm questioning whether we gave up too much just as I questioned letting Crabby go !

[TheCheese]

From packers.com

The Packers sent picks 41, 73, 83 to New England for picks 26 and 162.

[Rastak]

ESPN Insider on the Matthews pick....


26. Green Bay Packers
The pick: Clay Matthews, OLB, USC
What he brings: Matthews possesses great versatility; he has excellent range against the run along with the fluid change of direction to make him one of this draft's best coverage linebackers. He has also improved his ability to bend as a rusher off the edge, not to mention the oustanding value he brings on special teams.

How he fits: Matthews is another nice addition to a team that is moving from a 4-3 to a 3-4 defensive scheme. He can play the strong side linebacker position and be a force on special teams. He's a tough kid who loves to compete and with his family history, he understands what it takes to be an NFL player. General manager Ted Thompson saw a value at the end of the first round that he felt was worth the price to move up and Matthrews has the intangibles to be a solid pro for many years in Green Bay.

[Gunakor]

TT at the podium @ packers.com

[Fosco33]

teddy back on packers.com

[red]

What does the value chart say about this trade? Seems like too much because the 3rd round picks were pretty high?

we took it in the ass

23 is worth 790 the 5th rounder is worth 30 something

41- 490
73-225
83- 175

=890

keep in mind today teams have been giving up a whole hell of a lot of value to move down. we gave up around 70 points to move up. the value of a mid 4th

[Waldo]

I opined that there are ~ 4 guaranteed day 1 starters in this draft for GB

Jackson, A. Smith, Monroe, and Matthews.

We got him

Kevin Green 2.

Straight up clone. Clay has that nutty/crazy thing that Green has, and is damn near identical physically.

[Sparkey]

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/04/2009-draft-nfl-player-comparisons/


Compares Clay Matthews to Mike Vrabel ........


DT B.J. Raji, Boston College .......................... DT Vince Wilfork, Miami

Raji plays with natural leverage and has the girth and power to be physical at the point of attack. He does a nice job eating up blockers and has the versatility to play inside in either a 4-3 or 3-4 scheme.







OLB Clay Matthews, USC .............................. OLB Mike Vrabel, Ohio State

Matthews is an instinctive, high-motor player who possesses the ability to play on third down and will likely to fill a role similar to Vrabel in a 3-4 scheme.

[Lurker64]

Yeah fuck it, your right, I wanted help on D and Teddy accomplished that. Mathews has potential. With the right guy teaching him, he could be a stud 3 years down the line. In any event, he's better than the 2 outside guys we have right now.

Matthews is a very similar player to Kevin Greene... thankfully, he will have Kevin Greene teaching him to play OLB, and Greene was one of the best technicians as a pass rusher anybody has ever seen. I think Matthews could be a terror in this league. I love the pick, I don't know if I love what it cost us to get him.

[Bretsky]

some decent highlights of Matthews at JS

TT must think this guy is a future star; still seems like they gave up way too much but time will tell

[Partial]

Yeah fuck it, your right, I wanted help on D and Teddy accomplished that. Mathews has potential. With the right guy teaching him, he could be a stud 3 years down the line. In any event, he's better than the 2 outside guys we have right now.

Matthews is a very similar player to Kevin Greene... thankfully, he will have Kevin Greene teaching him to play OLB, and Greene was one of the best technicians as a pass rusher anybody has ever seen. I think Matthews could be a terror in this league. I love the pick, I don't know if I love what it cost us to get him.

Same. Really like the way he plays. Only have paid attention to him play twice. He was a straight up HOSS against OSU.

[Dabaddestbear]

whoa

my god we gave up the farm for him

2nd and both 3's

i really hate the pick now
Raji, was a good pick. But what you guys gave up for a LB that may have only been above average because of the guys surrounding him should keep all you guys that was criticizing the Bears for giving up picks for a franchise QB. N.E. just raped you guys!!

[gbpackfan]

My chart has the Packers losing in this trade 727.6 to 890. Wow, they got crushed. But teams moving up have been getting beaten up a little bit. I just dont know about this. He better start day 1.

[Bretsky]

Pick
41 73 83
for
26 162

anybody know where the value chart is ?

[TheCheese]

I opined that there are ~ 4 guaranteed day 1 starters in this draft for GB

Jackson, A. Smith, Monroe, and Matthews.

We got him

Kevin Green 2.

Straight up clone. Clay has that nutty/crazy thing that Green has, and is damn near identical physically.

Waldo do you think Mathews is worth what he paid to get him? And also do you think he's a better fit for us than Barwin?

[Rastak]

Titans take Britt......not bad.....



Overall Football Traits

Production 2 2006: Britt starts in six of the nine games he appears in as a true freshman catching 29 passes for a total of 440 yards and two touchdowns. 2007: Britt appears in 13 games catching 62 passes for a total of 1,232 yards and eight touchdowns. 2008: Britt starts 11 games catching 87 passes for a total of 1,371 yards and seven touchdowns. He carries the ball seven times for a total of 75 yards and one touchdown.
Height-Weight-Speed 2 Prototypical height, prototypical bulk and adequate top-end speed.

Durability 1 Durability doesn't appear to be a concern at this point.

Character 4 2008: Rutgers suspends Britt for Morgan State game for an undisclosed violation of team policy. Scouts have serious concerns regarding his maturity, work ethic and practice habits. Scouts who have interviewed him have described him to us as 'arrogant' and having 'an inflated opinion of his skills'.

Wide Receiver specific Traits

Separation Skills 3 Shows good footwork at the snap of the ball and can get a clean release working against press coverage, but could do a better job of using hands to swim/rip corners when they try to jam him. Appears to read defenses well and can locate seams working against zone coverage. Does an adequate job of gearing down quickly and squaring shoulders to quarterback on comeback routes. Chops feet too much and isn't as fluid or explosive as NFL teams would like coming out of breaks.

Ball Skills 3 A big target with strong hands. Elevates fairly well and can compete for jump balls. While he shows above-average body control in the air, he can lose focus when trying to make catches in traffic and occasionally drops a pass he gets his hands on. Does an excellent job locking onto the ball without breaking stride but has some problems catching passes thrown over shoulder when running vertical routes.

Vertical Speed 3 Isn't fast enough to consistently run past NFL corners. More of a long-strider that builds speed as he goes. Does seem to be deceptive once he reaches top gear but it takes him a while to get there, which doesn't always translate to the NFL game. He competes well for the jump ball and will make some plays down the sideline when he doesn't get slowed down at the line of scrimmage.

Run After Catch 3 Strong open field runner that fights for yards after contact. Lacks elite elusiveness and isn't going to make many defenders miss in space. Takes too long to reach top-end speed and isn't much of a threat to turn a catch underneath into a long gain.
Competitiveness and Toughness 3 Is willing to go over the middle and will make some tough catches in traffic. However, there have been a few occasions where he's caught taking his eyes off the ball to locate the safety. Takes adequate angles to blocks when asked to seal safeties/linebackers inside and flashes the ability to put defenders on back when asked to crack back. (See second-quarter of International Bowl following 2007 season) Gets adequate hand placement and flashes the ability to sustain once in position but doesn't deliver a violent initial punch or roll hips into blocks.

[MateoInMex]

This was Ted Thompson's boy!

[Bretsky]

My chart has the Packers losing in this trade 727.6 to 890. Wow, they got crushed. But teams moving up have been getting beaten up a little bit. I just dont know about this. He better start day 1.


Thanks for posting

[gbpackfan]

whoa

my god we gave up the farm for him

2nd and both 3's

i really hate the pick now
Raji, was a good pick. But what you guys gave up for a LB that may have only been above average because of the guys surrounding him should keep all you guys that was criticizing the Bears for giving up picks for a franchise QB. N.E. just raped you guys!!

It will be worth it when he smashed that whiney bitch Cutler! :P :wink:

[Waldo]

Absolutely.

I would have taken him at #9.

Best 3-4 LB in the draft, inside or out.

I had about #10-#12 value on him.

[Bretsky]

whoa

my god we gave up the farm for him

2nd and both 3's

i really hate the pick now
Raji, was a good pick. But what you guys gave up for a LB that may have only been above average because of the guys surrounding him should keep all you guys that was criticizing the Bears for giving up picks for a franchise QB. N.E. just raped you guys!!


AGREE

[Partial]

What does the value chart say about this trade? Seems like too much because the 3rd round picks were pretty high?

we took it in the ass

23 is worth 790 the 5th rounder is worth 30 something

41- 490
73-225
83- 175

=890

keep in mind today teams have been giving up a whole hell of a lot of value to move down. we gave up around 70 points to move up. the value of a mid 4th

Then its a fairly close trade. 820 to 890 is a 7.86% difference. Not a huge margin at all if you love the player.

You're not going to fleece the Pats. I could honestly see them picking Matthews is TT doesn't pony up enough.

[packers11]

I love day 1!!! Raji and Matthews... I couldn't be any happier right now...

[Joemailman]

What's going on? First Wist likes our 1st round pick, and then TT trades up, and people think he's crazy.

[Cheesehead Craig]

What does the value chart say about this trade? Seems like too much because the 3rd round picks were pretty high?

we took it in the ass

23 is worth 790 the 5th rounder is worth 30 something

41- 490
73-225
83- 175

=890

keep in mind today teams have been giving up a whole hell of a lot of value to move down. we gave up around 70 points to move up. the value of a mid 4th
It all depends on how he performs. If he turns out to be worth the move by coming in and starting, being a very good pass rusher, etc. then it would have been completely worth it.

[Fosco33]

From packers.com

The Packers sent picks 41, 73, 83 to New England for picks 26 and 162.

26 = 700
162 = 27

41 = 490
73 = 225
83 = 175

727 for 890

Basically, Ted tossed in the Jets/Favre trade in for free.

Truly end of Favre era - gave him away for nothing!

[mission]

My chart has the Packers losing in this trade 727.6 to 890. Wow, they got crushed. But teams moving up have been getting beaten up a little bit. I just dont know about this. He better start day 1.

Well luckily for us, draft pick slots don't play in football games.

I see Matthews being a terror in our D ...

[Partial]

Absolutely.

I would have taken him at #9.

Best 3-4 LB in the draft, inside or out.

I had about #10-#12 value on him.

I thought you were on the Barwin train since he is an elite OLB and TE prospect?

[pack4to84]

Pick
41 73 83
for
26 162

anybody know where the value chart is ?
41=490
73=225
83=175

26=700
162=26.6

[retailguy]

What's going on? First Wist likes our 1st round pick, and then TT trades up, and people think he's crazy.

didn't anyone tell you? the world ended an hour ago. welcome to heaven.

[gbpackfan]

Who is the high pitch talking to TT right now? My God!

[Rastak]

Absolutely.

I would have taken him at #9.

Best 3-4 LB in the draft, inside or out.

I had about #10-#12 value on him.


You did back that up Waldo.....


http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=17237&highlight=clay+matthews

[Partial]

What's going on? First Wist likes our 1st round pick, and then TT trades up, and people think he's crazy.

Ultimately what will determine their success is whether you were home in time. How did work go today?

[Gunakor]

whoa

my god we gave up the farm for him

2nd and both 3's

i really hate the pick now
Raji, was a good pick. But what you guys gave up for a LB that may have only been above average because of the guys surrounding him should keep all you guys that was criticizing the Bears for giving up picks for a franchise QB. N.E. just raped you guys!!

Agreed. 100%. My only thought is that Ted does not like the middle of the draft and figured he could trade those picks where less value could be found for a guy he really liked.

[TheCheese]

Absolutely.

I would have taken him at #9.

Best 3-4 LB in the draft, inside or out.

I had about #10-#12 value on him.

Well that' comforting because I know you know your shit. So I assume he's penciled in at the WOLB position opposite Kampman. Should be fun to watch.

[mission]

how many posts talk about how we need impact players not 17 draft picks that are just guys ???

[Joemailman]

TT now has a 4, 2 5's and 2 6's. He'll get back into the 2nd or 3rd round.

[Packnut]

Yeah fuck it, your right, I wanted help on D and Teddy accomplished that. Mathews has potential. With the right guy teaching him, he could be a stud 3 years down the line. In any event, he's better than the 2 outside guys we have right now.

Matthews is a very similar player to Kevin Greene... thankfully, he will have Kevin Greene teaching him to play OLB, and Greene was one of the best technicians as a pass rusher anybody has ever seen. I think Matthews could be a terror in this league. I love the pick, I don't know if I love what it cost us to get him.

Oh yeah. I forgot about Greene. Thank you for the reminder. He'll be taught by one of the best.

[Fosco33]

From packers.com

The Packers sent picks 41, 73, 83 to New England for picks 26 and 162.

26 = 700
162 = 27

41 = 490
73 = 225
83 = 175

727 for 890

Basically, Ted tossed in the Jets/Favre trade in for free.

Truly end of Favre era - gave him away for nothing!

[retailguy]

how many posts talk about how we need impact players not 17 draft picks that are just guys ???

bingo! sometimes you just gotta go for it.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

There are many that feel the draft dramatically drops in quality after the 3rd round. If TT felt that our 3rds, especially the lesser valued one, weren't going to get us impact or semi impact players, or even modest contributors then it was the right thing to do.

This team is young. Adding more average young players isn't helping. We need solid starters and impact players.

If Raji and Matthews are starting then it is success.

[Bretsky]

well this was going to be a monster thread with all these picks coming in

Looks like we can now go on a draft vacation as we're done today I think

[Gunakor]

From packers.com

The Packers sent picks 41, 73, 83 to New England for picks 26 and 162.

26 = 700
162 = 27

41 = 490
73 = 225
83 = 175

727 for 890

Basically, Ted tossed in the Jets/Favre trade in for free.

Truly end of Favre era - gave him away for nothing!

Some are saying we got Kevin Greene II. That's more than nothing, isn't it?

[Joemailman]

What's going on? First Wist likes our 1st round pick, and then TT trades up, and people think he's crazy.

Ultimately what will determine their success is whether you were home in time. How did work go today?

Jax was on the clock when I got home. :tup: :cow:

[red]

oh good, our new LB hates blacks too, that should endear him to some of his new teamates

from draft ace


Could be a one-year-wonder; he didn't look like much of a prospect until his senior year. Doesn't excel in any one area, but doesn't have a major weakness either. Some potential character concerns; created an anti-black facebook group titled "White Nation" which he, Brian Cushing and other USC football players joined

[GFforPack]

God damnit. Would have been nice to get a 3rd back.

Matthews looks very fast off the right edge. I love how those USC LB's actually play they Spartans. They hit so F'in hard. I really like the player. Not sure how I feel about giving up that much more him, but I'm sure TT definitely thought this one through. I trust him.


Ditto! I do not think there is any way that Ted traded that many picks away without seriously thinking it through and without having been very impressed by Matthews. So far I like the way this draft is shaping up. Now all we need is a DE and an OT or two.

Go Pack!

[channtheman]

whoa

my god we gave up the farm for him

2nd and both 3's

i really hate the pick now
Raji, was a good pick. But what you guys gave up for a LB that may have only been above average because of the guys surrounding him should keep all you guys that was criticizing the Bears for giving up picks for a franchise QB. N.E. just raped you guys!!

Agreed. 100%. My only thought is that Ted does not like the middle of the draft and figured he could trade those picks where less value could be found for a guy he really liked.

Exactly, trade away the picks if you don't think there is really good value there and get a guy you really like.

[gbpackfan]

I didn't do a lot of research on Clay before the draft but after consulting my 5 scouting guides, he seems like a solid pick. Low 1st round pick by most scouts views. But we did give up a lot.

[wist43]

What's going on? First Wist likes our 1st round pick, and then TT trades up, and people think he's crazy.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Bretsky]

TT now has a 4, 2 5's and 2 6's. He'll get back into the 2nd or 3rd round.


Good call if it happens

Could we trade our 4, 2 5's, and a 6 for a mid second round pick to get a starting OT ?

Honestly I'm a bit disappointed we won't have any more news today

[Rastak]

well this was going to be a monster thread with all these picks coming in

Looks like we can now go on a draft vacation as we're done today I think


Bretsky, it's the NFL draft! You're bailing out without the first round ending?

[Packnut]

well this was going to be a monster thread with all these picks coming in

Looks like we can now go on a draft vacation as we're done today I think

Yep, time for me to switch the tomato juice with orange juice, increase the vodka and spend the rest of the night toasting my newest and bestest buddy:

Ted Thompson (My Pal) :shock:

[Gunakor]

Good Pick for AZ.

[channtheman]

I like this pick for the Cardinals!

[mission]

well this was going to be a monster thread with all these picks coming in

Looks like we can now go on a draft vacation as we're done today I think

Yep, time for me to switch the tomato juice with orange juice, increase the vodka and spend the rest of the night toasting my newest and bestest buddy:

Ted Thompson (My Pal) :shock:

Who hacked your account? :lol: :lol:

[gbpackfan]

oh good, our new LB hates blacks too, that should endear him to some of his new teamates

from draft ace


Could be a one-year-wonder; he didn't look like much of a prospect until his senior year. Doesn't excel in any one area, but doesn't have a major weakness either. Some potential character concerns; created an anti-black facebook group titled "White Nation" which he, Brian Cushing and other USC football players joined

He doesn't hate blacks. If you did some research about that you would know better. Stop spreading such garbage.

Even his black teammates said it wasn't true.

PC Police at it again, hopefully this doesnt hurt their draft stock. Fans are really believing these guys are racist which is bs, they are in no way racist.

http://www.dailytrojan.com/news/facebook-group-lands-usc-foo tball-player-in-hot-water-1.206854

"Trojan football players create and join 'racist' Facebook group as a 'joke.'?"

"The racist Facebook group was created by a USC football player and showed a graphic of a black baby in handcuffs. An athletic department source said the group was a joke and had no serious purpose.

Junior linebacker Clay Matthews created the group, "White Nation," which featured a graphic with the caption, "arrest black babies before they become criminals."

Teammates David Buehler, Brian Cushing, Dan Deckas and Dallas Sartz joined the group.


An athletic department source who wished to remain anonymous said the group was a joke and had no serious purpose.

The "joke" began when a black football player nicknamed some of his teammates "White Nation," the source said.

Stefanie Gopaul, a freshman majoring in psychology, discovered the group through her Facebook friendship with Sartz and Cushing and sent private messages to both, expressing her concern.

"Dallas Sartz said that White Nation is a joke on the team and that he's not like that," Gopaul said. "I was still really upset about it."

Gopaul created the Facebook group, " Clay Matthews (USC football player) expresses anti-black sentiment," and invited all of her Facebook friends to join.

"I honestly thought (Sartz and Cushing) were taking me as a joke," Gopaul said. "I posted the group so that they would know that (the White Nation group) is inappropriate."

The group received a strong response, at one time having as many as 90 members, and students expressed their outrage on the group message board and in personal messages to Gopaul.

Football player Sedrick Ellis sent Gopaul a message explaining that "White Nation" is an inside joke on the team and that Matthews is not racist.


Gopaul said she then received a message from Matthews.

"At first, Clay Matthews sounded a bit upset with me, and understandably so," Gopaul said. "But he was very nice in his second letter once I explained my intentions and actions to him."

Matthews said that another person posted the picture, and he was unsure of how to delete the group, Gopaul said.

He also wrote a formal apology to the members of "Clay Matthews (USC football player) expresses anti-black sentiment."



A source from the athletic department said Matthew's apology said he was sorry, and that the group was not serious and had no racist intent. He also said his roommate and best friend are black and said that it was poor judgment on his part to create the group.


"I really do believe that it was a joke," Gopaul said. "Racial tension is already here at 'SC, and a lot of people were upset that he wasn't punished. I was never out to punish him, but a lot of students who saw the group wanted that."

Dinah Manning, a former member of the "Clay Matthews" group and a junior majoring in philosophy, said football players should be mindful of their status as public figures.

"The football players are ambassadors of our university," Manning said. "It is offensive that they could blindly espouse hateful language and demeaning images. If it was meant to be a joke, it was careless and in bad taste."

When Matthews left the "White Nation" Facebook group, he gave up his ability to delete the group; an administrator must manually remove each member to delete the group.


The membership includes three Occidental students and five other members from regional or high school networks nationwide. No USC students remain in the group."


So the blacks on the team single out the few White guys on the team and name them White Nation and then they,in good spirit go along with the joke making a facebook page instead of causing problems, and then THEY get called the racists?, if this happened the other way around, White guys singling out black players and made a nickname for them you know a big fuss would have been caused.

It says Sedrick Ellis, who is a black player btw commented and said the players were not racist at all, it was an inside joke.

[Rastak]

Wells to the Cards........



Overall Football Traits

Production 1 Wells contributed immediately as a true freshman backup RB, notching 576 yards and seven scores on 104 carries. As a fulltime starter in 2007; Wells rushed for 1,609 yards and 15 scores on 274 carries. In just 10 games played in 2008, Wells rushed for 1,197 yards and eight TD's on 207 carries. Wells averaged an impressive 5.8 yards per carry (585) during his three-year career. However, he caught just 15 passes for 84 yards and zero scores during his three seasons.

Height-Weight-Speed 2 Very good combination of size and straight-line speed.

Durability 4 Was bothered by nagging injuries throughout his career. Only full games missed were in 2008, when he sat out three contests (Ohio, USC, and Troy) due to a lingering toe injury, and he was limited in parts of others because of toe, hamstring and head injuries.

Character 3 No off-the-field issues but scouts question his toughness, maturity level and leadership skills.

Running Back specific Traits

Competitiveness 4 Displays a vicious stiff-arm, which he often uses to gain additional yards at the end of runs. There are times when he runs like a man possessed. But those times are few and far between. His overall effort is inconsistent. He takes himself out of games. If he has a big run he frequently takes the next two plays off. Not always a self motivator. Has taken himself out of multiple games because of questionable injuries. Scouts are concerned that he was coddled too much at Ohio State and will be shocked by the adjustment in the NFL. Wells also has ball-security problems. He lost four fumbles last season.

Vision 1 Rarely misses an open hole. Explodes out of his stance, consistently sees open crease and knows when to cut-and-go. Displays very good instincts and peripheral vision in the open field.

Explosiveness 1 Outstanding initial burst. At his best when working as a downhill runner. Explodes through the line of scrimmage and displays a rare good second-gear for his size.
Balance/Change-of-Directions 1 Exceptional lateral quickness and body control  particularly for such a big back. Few NFL starters can plant, redirect and regain top-end speed as quickly and seamlessly as he does.

Passing Game 3 Limited experience as a receiver at Ohio State. Caught just eight passes in 2008 and five passes in 2007. Displays soft hands and shows the ability to pluck the ball away from his frame in limited views we saw of him as a pass-catcher. But he doesn't show much savvy or creativity as a route runner. He basically goes to a spot and sits. Does not work back to his QB when it's called for. He has some upside in pass pro because he's big, strong and agile. But his technique is awful and his effort is inconsistent. He doesn't get his feet set. He simply tries to get in the way of the oncoming rusher rather than getting his feet set, using leverage and working to sustain. Prime example versus Minnesota (2nd quarter with 7:05 remaining) when he barely reroutes the blitzing linebacker, who would have blindsided QB Terrell Pryor had Pryor not felt the rush and sidestepped it at the last moment.

[pbmax]

oh good, our new LB hates blacks too, that should endear him to some of his new teamates

from draft ace


Could be a one-year-wonder; he didn't look like much of a prospect until his senior year. Doesn't excel in any one area, but doesn't have a major weakness either. Some potential character concerns; created an anti-black facebook group titled "White Nation" which he, Brian Cushing and other USC football players joined
No, no, no. I don't like this pick, but that story is horseshit. White Nation is what the LB coach (who was black) gave that nickname to his starters at LB (or ST, not sure which pos it started). It had nothing to do with being anti-black. But the joke had a reverse racial joke to it.

[Partial]

Trade up the rest of the draft for Maualuga or the safety in the LeRoy Butler article and I'm 100% satified with this draft.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

oh good, our new LB hates blacks too, that should endear him to some of his new teamates

from draft ace


Could be a one-year-wonder; he didn't look like much of a prospect until his senior year. Doesn't excel in any one area, but doesn't have a major weakness either. Some potential character concerns; created an anti-black facebook group titled "White Nation" which he, Brian Cushing and other USC football players joined

WHITE POWER!!!!!

OI, OI, OI!!!

[gbpackfan]

Is Everette Brown about to fall out of the 1st round!?

[Fosco33]

Some are saying we got Kevin Greene II. That's more than nothing, isn't it?

Meant that 83 wasn't needed in value chart (but obviously had to give up something). Could've given them something less and not asked for the 6th back.

Clay may be great - and I'm glad we filled another hole. Not saying he's a nothing.

[red]

oh good, our new LB hates blacks too, that should endear him to some of his new teamates

from draft ace


Could be a one-year-wonder; he didn't look like much of a prospect until his senior year. Doesn't excel in any one area, but doesn't have a major weakness either. Some potential character concerns; created an anti-black facebook group titled "White Nation" which he, Brian Cushing and other USC football players joined
No, no, no. I don't like this pick, but that story is horseshit. White Nation is what the LB coach (who was black) gave that nickname to his starters at LB (or ST, not sure which pos it started). It had nothing to do with being anti-black. But the joke had a reverse racial joke to it.

well, that makes me feel a lot better

[Packnut]

well this was going to be a monster thread with all these picks coming in

Looks like we can now go on a draft vacation as we're done today I think

Yep, time for me to switch the tomato juice with orange juice, increase the vodka and spend the rest of the night toasting my newest and bestest buddy:

Ted Thompson (My Pal) :shock:

Who hacked your account? :lol: :lol:

It's simple. My buddy finally came around to my way of thinking. The BPA BS went into the trash and now we are drafting for need.

[rbaloha1]

I opined that there are ~ 4 guaranteed day 1 starters in this draft for GB

Jackson, A. Smith, Monroe, and Matthews.

We got him

Kevin Green 2.

Straight up clone. Clay has that nutty/crazy thing that Green has, and is damn near identical physically.

Waldo do you think Mathews is worth what he paid to get him? And also do you think he's a better fit for us than Barwin?

IMO Matthews is more ready to play than Barwin. Barwin has more upside and is much more physical. Do not see the same type of Vrabel and Greene nastiness and temperment in Matthews.

Starting to warm-up to Matthews though. TT type of pick like Hawk. Do not expect MAtthews to be a pro bowler.

[Rastak]

Steelers take Evander Hood.......



Overall Football Traits

Production 2 2005-'06: Hood starts in seven of 22 games played during first two seasons and combines for 59 tackles, including 7.5 TFL. 2007-'08: Hood starts all 28 games during his final two seasons and finishes with 111 total tackles, including 15 TFL and 10 sacks.
Height-Weight-Speed 2 Possesses prototypical height and adequate-to-good bulk. Also shows excellent straight-line speed for the position.

Durability 2 Missed three full games with a broken foot as a sophomore in 2006 but started all 28 games during his final two seasons at Missouri.

Character 1 Hard worker on and off the field. No off the field issues to our knowledge. Leads by example and his effort is contagious.
Defensive Tackle specific Traits

Agility/Quickness 2 Displays very good quickness. Fires off the ball and usually wins with quick first-step. Not a great athlete, though. Struggles to change directions fluidly and shows too much stiffness.

Strength/Toughness 4 Has good size for a three-technique type. Is a high-motor player with toughness. Won't back down from a physical matchup but simply lacks good strength to hold his ground. Lacks lower body strength and does not display a powerful upper body, either.

Instincts 2 Shows above average overall instincts. Consistently displays good snap awareness. Does a good job of finding the ball when he gets through the line of scrimmage. Lacks ideal pass rushing instincts and needs to do a better job of setting up offensive linemen with his array of moves. He does a great job of sniffing out the screen and draw plays, though.

Pass Rusher 2 Upside is limited but effort is outstanding. Most of his battles won are because of his quickness. Shows good anticipation and explodes off the ball. Uses effective swim and rip moves. Is relentless as a pass rusher and will never quit fighting. However, he lacks ideal closing burst and doesn't change directions fluidly when he gets through the line of scrimmage. He also struggles to generate a consistent push as a bull rusher if he doesn't win with his first step.

Run Stopper 2 Uses quick first step to penetrate and disrupt. Very active and at his best on the move. Will pursue backside and makes some plays on pure effort. However, he plays too high and with a narrow base. Struggles to hold ground when teams run at him.

[mission]

oh good, our new LB hates blacks too, that should endear him to some of his new teamates

from draft ace


Could be a one-year-wonder; he didn't look like much of a prospect until his senior year. Doesn't excel in any one area, but doesn't have a major weakness either. Some potential character concerns; created an anti-black facebook group titled "White Nation" which he, Brian Cushing and other USC football players joined
No, no, no. I don't like this pick, but that story is horseshit. White Nation is what the LB coach (who was black) gave that nickname to his starters at LB (or ST, not sure which pos it started). It had nothing to do with being anti-black. But the joke had a reverse racial joke to it.

well, that makes me feel a lot better

lol i was thinkin that cant even be possible

[gbpackfan]

Det goes MLB here right? They have to.

[Gunakor]

well this was going to be a monster thread with all these picks coming in

Looks like we can now go on a draft vacation as we're done today I think

Yep, time for me to switch the tomato juice with orange juice, increase the vodka and spend the rest of the night toasting my newest and bestest buddy:

Ted Thompson (My Pal) :shock:

Who hacked your account? :lol: :lol:

It's simple. My buddy finally came around to my way of thinking. The BPA BS went into the trash and now we are drafting for need.

To be honest, I think both were BPA as well when they were drafted. We just made a bold move to trade up to draft a need when he was BPA instead of waiting for our own pick and drafting BPA when it wasn't a need.

[retailguy]

well this was going to be a monster thread with all these picks coming in

Looks like we can now go on a draft vacation as we're done today I think

Yep, time for me to switch the tomato juice with orange juice, increase the vodka and spend the rest of the night toasting my newest and bestest buddy:

Ted Thompson (My Pal) :shock:

Who hacked your account? :lol: :lol:

It's simple. My buddy finally came around to my way of thinking. The BPA BS went into the trash and now we are drafting for need.

To be honest, I think both were BPA as well when they were drafted. We just made a bold move to trade up to draft a need when he was BPA instead of waiting for our own pick and drafting BPA when it wasn't a need.

that's a good way to spin it. :lol:

[mission]

Det goes MLB here right? They have to.

Maualuga

[gbpackfan]

Clay Matthews would have been gone by pick 41. But damn, I still can't believe how much we gave up!

[Lurker64]

So, with the fact that Green Bay doesn't look to be landing a DE prospect who can challenge to start (though I like Pedescleaux and Egboh a lot, they're not starters yet), how long until Ted Thompson gets Vonnie Holliday on the phone?

I'd be calling him right now, if I was Ted.

[The Shadow]

When you are creating the foundation, multiple picks is the way to go.
When you believe you are solid, it's time to get the players you feel are special fits for your team.
It's funny how some folks who have whined the 'turtle' nonsense for so long, and lambasted Thompson for not moving up, now have reversed field and complain about him making a move upwards.
Personally, I love both picks, and applaud the Packers for shrewd planning and the courage to go after players they want.

[Bretsky]

TT now has a 4, 2 5's and 2 6's. He'll get back into the 2nd or 3rd round.


Good call if it happens

Could we trade our 4, 2 5's, and a 6 for a mid second round pick to get a starting OT ?

Honestly I'm a bit disappointed we won't have any more news today

[Gunakor]

Clay Matthews would have been gone by pick 41. But damn, I still can't believe how much we gave up!

It's Dom. Dom made him. I'm sure of it. Ted wouldn't do this. He wouldn't...

[Rastak]

Lions take Louis Delmas


Is anybody reading the crap I'm cutting and pasting..? If not I'll save myself some time.....


Lions need defense bad.

[Gunakor]

Lions take Louis Delmas


Is anybody reading the crap I'm cutting and pasting..? If not I'll save myself some time.....


Lions need defense bad.

Only do it for Packers and Vikings picks after the first round.

[Rastak]

Wow, Pats take Patrick Chung......

[Bretsky]

God damnit. Would have been nice to get a 3rd back.

Matthews looks very fast off the right edge. I love how those USC LB's actually play they Spartans. They hit so F'in hard. I really like the player. Not sure how I feel about giving up that much more him, but I'm sure TT definitely thought this one through. I trust him.


Ditto! I do not think there is any way that Ted traded that many picks away without seriously thinking it through and without having been very impressed by Matthews. So far I like the way this draft is shaping up. Now all we need is a DE and an OT or two.

Go Pack!



There are still a couple DE's in free agency that could help; I'd love to see a good OT though

[Gunakor]

Clay Matthews interview on Packers.com

[Fosco33]

http://twitter.com/NickBarnett

[K-town]

Rastak, I (we) appreciate your efforts. But no need for every pick after round 1, IMO.

[cpk1994]

Clay Matthews now speaking to reporters on Packers.com

[Lurker64]

Is anybody reading the crap I'm cutting and pasting..? If not I'll save myself some time....

I am.

Delmas is a hell of a player, I'm sad to see him end up in the division, but it's the Lions.

[rbaloha1]

Clay Matthews would have been gone by pick 41. But damn, I still can't believe how much we gave up!

Shows how much TT believes in this guy. Also demonstrates TT is flexible and not tied-up in one type of thinking.

On the surface it sure looks like a Sherman type move. The difference is the Packers have a solid young talented roster. Sherman overestimated roster talent and continually picked players that could lead us to the super bowl. Proved to be the wrong move.

Matthews is on packers.com

[channtheman]

Lions take Louis Delmas


Is anybody reading the crap I'm cutting and pasting..? If not I'll save myself some time.....


Lions need defense bad.

Only do it for Packers and Vikings picks after the first round.

Keep it to NFC north teams, I'm not so interested in the other teams.

[Fosco33]

Lions take Louis Delmas


Is anybody reading the crap I'm cutting and pasting..? If not I'll save myself some time.....


Lions need defense bad.

i am - thx ras

[Bretsky]

Is Everette Brown about to fall out of the 1st round!?


yup

[Lurker64]

Is Everette Brown about to fall out of the 1st round!?


yup

As is Maualuga.

[Partial]

This speaks volumes about what TT thought of Matthews. He's on record as saying that if he has several guys close, he will try to trade down.

This says to me that this guy rated very highly and that there was probably a very big drop off from this guy to the next, regardless of position, on his board. That is a reflect of either A) the quality of the draft or B) the quality of player Matthews is.

I think he is going to be a stud. I'm very excited about Matthews.

[jmbarnes101]

Absolutely.

I would have taken him at #9.

Best 3-4 LB in the draft, inside or out.

I had about #10-#12 value on him.

The spectacled monkey has spoken. Between him, TT, and the fact I liked Matthews to begin with I'm sold.

[Rastak]

Okay, North picks only



Lions take Delmas....



Overall Football Traits

Production 2 Delmas was a four-year starter and earned all-MAC honors three of those seasons. 2008: Started all 13 games and finished with 111 tackles, including 3.5 TFL. Recorded four of 12 career interceptions as a senior.

Height-Weight-Speed 4 Is a bit undersized. Adequate height and below average bulk. Straight-line speed is a little bit better than the average of all DS's in this class but still not ideal considering his size.

Durability 3 Did not miss a game as a senior. However, he missed four games due to injuries during 2006 (ankle) and 2007 (concussion) seasons combined. Also lacks ideal bulk and throws his body around, which creates some long-term concern in the NFL.

Character 1 No off-the-field issues. A natural leader. Named team captain as a senior. Plays the game with passion and displays an excellent work ethic.

Defensive Safety specific Traits


Recognition Skills/Toughness 1 Great recognition skills. Will diagnose plays faster than most young safeties. Not afraid to take on bigger blockers and ball carriers. Feisty and aggressive. Plays much bigger than measurables indicate. A natural playmaker in run support and in coverage. Great example of instincts and toughness is on 1st-and-10 play with 13:37 remaining in first quarter of 2008 Nebraska game, when he diagnoses the play quicker than any other defender and looks like he's shot out of a cannon as he flies upfield to make the tackle.

Closing Burst 2 Closing burst is adequate-to-good, but not elite. Closes quickly when coming forward. Doesn't make up as much ground when turning and running.

Fluidity 2 Displays good balance and quick feet. Shows excellent lateral agility. Lacks elite fluidity in man-to-man coverage but is smooth, quick and instinctive to match up one-on-one versus many slot WR's in the NFL. At his best playing in space as a cover-2 and cover-3 zone safety.

Ball Skills 2 Very instinctive. Times his jumps well. Knows when to go for the body and when to go for the ball. Does a good job of finding the ball over his shoulder. Shows the ability to high-point the ball.

Run Support 2 Lacks ideal size and may struggle to match up inside the box in the NFL. However, he diagnoses quickly and supports hard. Not afraid to throw his body around. Harder hitter than size indicates. Solid open-field tackler. Great range in run support. Displays an excellent motor.

[K-town]

In a perfect world, Breno Giacomini steps in for Tauscher at RT, and we get Vonnie Holliday for cheap to fill in as a wave player at DE. Waddya think?

[Partial]

Is Everette Brown about to fall out of the 1st round!?


yup

As is Maualuga.

Rey Lewis clone, but he's gonna fall a few sports further :D

[Bretsky]

So, with the fact that Green Bay doesn't look to be landing a DE prospect who can challenge to start (though I like Pedescleaux and Egboh a lot, they're not starters yet), how long until Ted Thompson gets Vonnie Holliday on the phone?

I'd be calling him right now, if I was Ted.



IMO good chance he makes that call soon

Vonnie is a good guy and is still sericeable and better than some of the rubbish we have on the roster now

[Gunakor]

In a perfect world, Breno Giacomini steps in for Tauscher at RT, and we get Vonnie Holliday for cheap to fill in as a wave player at DE. Waddya think?

I'd like to know where Gia's progress is in terms of his bulk. Last I heard he had a good frame but had to put more weight on to be a good player at this level. But that was last year.

[Bretsky]

When you are creating the foundation, multiple picks is the way to go.
When you believe you are solid, it's time to get the players you feel are special fits for your team.
It's funny how some folks who have whined the 'turtle' nonsense for so long, and lambasted Thompson for not moving up, now have reversed field and complain about him making a move upwards.
Personally, I love both picks, and applaud the Packers for shrewd planning and the courage to go after players they want.


such a simpleton view while ignoring what he gave up to move up

I'm fully on board to give up fair value to move up; I'm fine with Matthews and think he can move in a start right away.

If Matthews is a Pro Bowler this still turns out fine

But on paper Bellichek fleeced your hero

[Bretsky]

Clay Matthews interview on Packers.com



dude will sound great; honestly he's a perfect Packer person and it's exciting to have him coming to GB

[Guiness]

Cardinals grab Wells at 31. What Kipper would call a 'value' pick. Great combination of a need position for them - Hightower isn't a full timer, and James is about done - and a guy who was rated much higher than he went. Not long ago, he was thought to be the top RB in the draft.

[Lurker64]

In a perfect world, Breno Giacomini steps in for Tauscher at RT, and we get Vonnie Holliday for cheap to fill in as a wave player at DE. Waddya think?

That'd be fine, but we have other options at RT. Colledge, Sitton, Moll, Giacomini, and Barbre all have a shot at RT.

[cpk1994]

When you are creating the foundation, multiple picks is the way to go.
When you believe you are solid, it's time to get the players you feel are special fits for your team.
It's funny how some folks who have whined the 'turtle' nonsense for so long, and lambasted Thompson for not moving up, now have reversed field and complain about him making a move upwards.
Personally, I love both picks, and applaud the Packers for shrewd planning and the courage to go after players they want.


such a simpleton view while ignoring what he gave up to move up

I'm fully on board to give up fair value to move up; I'm fine with Matthews and think he can move in a start right away.

If Matthews is a Pro Bowler this still turns out fine

But on paper Bellichek fleeced your heroYou can't really say that until you see what the Bellicheck gets for those picks. ALso, if you feel thereis nothing in the middle rounds worth the picks, you trade up and get a guy you really want. I agree with Shadow. IF Matthews turns out to be a pro bowler, tghen it doesn't mean shit what the trade looks like on paper.

[Rastak]

Broncos trade up.....Seahawks off the board.

[HarveyWallbangers]

http://twitter.com/NickBarnett

Seems excited. Said he was going over to A.J.'s place.
:D

[packers11]

E. Brown or Maulaluga will be taken by Broncos...

[jmbarnes101]

Lions take Louis Delmas


Is anybody reading the crap I'm cutting and pasting..? If not I'll save myself some time.....


Lions need defense bad.

I am but if it's only me feel free to stop.

[Gunakor]

In a perfect world, Breno Giacomini steps in for Tauscher at RT, and we get Vonnie Holliday for cheap to fill in as a wave player at DE. Waddya think?

That'd be fine, but we have other options at RT. Colledge, Sitton, Moll, Giacomini, and Barbre all have a shot at RT.

Colledge won't go to RT, per McCarthy. Sitton will be at RG. Barbre, Moll, and Giacomini are battling for the job if we don't bring in anyone new.

[Guiness]

re: Mathews

Not a guy I know much about. Part of a great USC LB corps, but was there one guy in that group that made everyone else look better? I saw where Mathews only had 10 starts, but I don't know if he got a lot of snaps as a backup...

[TheCheese]

When you are creating the foundation, multiple picks is the way to go.
When you believe you are solid, it's time to get the players you feel are special fits for your team.
It's funny how some folks who have whined the 'turtle' nonsense for so long, and lambasted Thompson for not moving up, now have reversed field and complain about him making a move upwards.
Personally, I love both picks, and applaud the Packers for shrewd planning and the courage to go after players they want.


such a simpleton view while ignoring what he gave up to move up

I'm fully on board to give up fair value to move up; I'm fine with Matthews and think he can move in a start right away.

If Matthews is a Pro Bowler this still turns out fine

But on paper Bellichek fleeced your hero

Just like Ted fleeed Belichek in 2006 trading down for Jennings while Bill selected Chad Jackson.

[Joemailman]

http://twitter.com/NickBarnett

Seems excited. Said he was going over to A.J.'s place.
:D

Well, we now have A.J. and B.J. Any prospects named C.J.?

[The Shadow]

When you are creating the foundation, multiple picks is the way to go.
When you believe you are solid, it's time to get the players you feel are special fits for your team.
It's funny how some folks who have whined the 'turtle' nonsense for so long, and lambasted Thompson for not moving up, now have reversed field and complain about him making a move upwards.
Personally, I love both picks, and applaud the Packers for shrewd planning and the courage to go after players they want.


such a simpleton view while ignoring what he gave up to move up

I'm fully on board to give up fair value to move up; I'm fine with Matthews and think he can move in a start right away.

If Matthews is a Pro Bowler this still turns out fine

But on paper Bellichek fleeced your hero

The typical anti-Ted treacle.
He's wrong if he doesn't draft your man-crush.
He's wrong if he doesn't move up.
He's wrong if he does move up.
Back to the Cheetos (and maybe a spoonful of Metamucil).

[Guiness]

http://twitter.com/NickBarnett

Seems excited. Said he was going over to A.J.'s place.
:D

What happens if he gets a little tipsy, and Laura starts lookin' real good?

[Partial]

Horrible trade by Denver imo.

[Bretsky]

When you are creating the foundation, multiple picks is the way to go.
When you believe you are solid, it's time to get the players you feel are special fits for your team.
It's funny how some folks who have whined the 'turtle' nonsense for so long, and lambasted Thompson for not moving up, now have reversed field and complain about him making a move upwards.
Personally, I love both picks, and applaud the Packers for shrewd planning and the courage to go after players they want.


such a simpleton view while ignoring what he gave up to move up

I'm fully on board to give up fair value to move up; I'm fine with Matthews and think he can move in a start right away.

If Matthews is a Pro Bowler this still turns out fine

But on paper Bellichek fleeced your heroYou can't really say that until you see what the Bellicheck gets for those picks. ALso, if you feel thereis nothing in the middle rounds worth the picks, you trade up and get a guy you really want. I agree with Shadow. IF Matthews turns out to be a pro bowler, tghen it doesn't mean shit what the trade looks like on paper.


NO

You agree with ME since I was the one who said that :wink:

[packers11]

Horrible trade by Denver imo.

Denver just got raped... what the hell...

[cpk1994]

http://twitter.com/NickBarnett

Seems excited. Said he was going over to A.J.'s place.
:D

What happens if he gets a little tipsy, and Laura starts lookin' real good?Brady kicks his ass?

[retailguy]

When you are creating the foundation, multiple picks is the way to go.
When you believe you are solid, it's time to get the players you feel are special fits for your team.
It's funny how some folks who have whined the 'turtle' nonsense for so long, and lambasted Thompson for not moving up, now have reversed field and complain about him making a move upwards.
Personally, I love both picks, and applaud the Packers for shrewd planning and the courage to go after players they want.


such a simpleton view while ignoring what he gave up to move up

I'm fully on board to give up fair value to move up; I'm fine with Matthews and think he can move in a start right away.

If Matthews is a Pro Bowler this still turns out fine

But on paper Bellichek fleeced your heroYou can't really say that until you see what the Bellicheck gets for those picks. ALso, if you feel thereis nothing in the middle rounds worth the picks, you trade up and get a guy you really want. I agree with Shadow. IF Matthews turns out to be a pro bowler, tghen it doesn't mean shit what the trade looks like on paper.


NO

You agree with ME since I was the one who said that

lol :D

[Gunakor]

Horrible trade by Denver imo.

Denver just got raped... what the hell...

Missed it, what was it?

[Rastak]

Broncos take Alphonso Smith .......since somebody is reading them.....why not....


Overall Football Traits

Production 1 Wake Forest red-shirted Smith in 2004. He started all 11 games of the 2005 season finishing with 59 total tackles, 52 unassisted tackles, eight tackles-for-loss, two sacks, three interceptions including one he returned for a touchdown, nine pass breakups, one forced fumble and two blocked kicks. Smith also returned one kickoff for a total of 15 yards and two punts for a total of 40 yards. He started thee of the 14 games he appeared in during the 2006 season finishing with 48 total tackles, 37 unassisted tackles, 8.5 tackles-for-loss, four sacks, three interceptions, eight pass breakups, one forced fumble and one blocked kick. Smith also returned five kickoffs for a total of 115 yards and one punt 34 yards for a touchdown. He started all 13 games of the 2007 season finishing with 44 total tackles, 36 unassisted tackles, 4.5 tackles-for-loss, three sacks, eight interceptions including three he returned for touchdowns, ten pass breakups, four forced fumbles and one blocked kick. Smith also returned six kickoffs for a total of 112 yards. During his senior campaign in 2008 he started all 13 games and recorded 37 total tackles, 28 unassisted tackles, 2.5 tackles-for-loss, seven interceptions, 13 pass breakups and two forced fumbles. He also added 108 yards on 21 punt returns averaging 5.1 yards per return. Earned first team All-ACC honors during both the 2007 and 2008 season.

Height-Weight-Speed 4 Smith's height is below-average and his weight is adequate for his smaller frame. He does, however, possess excellent top-end speed.

Durability 2 Lacks ideal size but durability is not much of a concern, as he did not miss playing time due to injury throughout career.

Character 3 Ejected in the second quarter of the 2006 Clemson game for allegedly throwing a punch.

Defensive Corner specific Traits

Recognition Skills/Toughness 2 Reads key and locates the ball quickly. Recognizes bubble screens. Flashes a mean streak and times hits well when in coverage but appears soft at other times. (See third quarter touchdown run in 2007 Maryland game) Doesn't get great hand placement, shows average at best upper body strength and doesn't do a great job of rerouting receivers.

Closing Burst 3 Shows a notch below elite closing burst when coming forward out of backpedal and closes quickly in the short area. Also can get to the quarterback when asked to blitz off the edge. However, he lacks second-gear to make up ground in deep coverage.

Fluidity 2 Fluid hips smoothly and shows very good footwork. Is quicker than fast. Displays fine change-of-direction skills and is able to keep with WR double moves.

Ball Skills 1 Times jumps fairly well and shows above-average leaping ability. Appears to take eye off the ball at times and can drop passes that should catch. Finished as ACC's career interceptions leader (21).

Run Support 4 Adequate drag-down tackler but doesn't always break down into a sound tackling position and can get run over. Inconsistent in this area.

[Lurker64]

That's a WTF trade by Denver there.

[Partial]

Denver is going to be awful next year. Who is going to play QB for them? They are going to be giving away a top 10 pick in 2010(a crazy deep draft most likely) for the 37th (55-60 in a typical year). Awful trade.

[RashanGary]

The thing Thompson said about Matthews that I liked best was how he took on blocks.

It seems to be common knowledge that he rushes the passer well and drops into coverage well. Thompson said that Matthews was a guy that can battle through blocks and stay on his feet when most guys can't. That's very important for a 3-4 outside linebacker.

When Kevin Greene came here, he said 3-4 OLB's do three things:

1. They rush the passer (check)

2. They cover flats and short zones (check)

and

3. They stop the run at the point of attack (I wondered about this)

The way Thompson made it sound, playing the run against bigger lineman was one of his strengths. Sounds like he's a complete 3-4 backer. I don't think guys who can cover, rush the passer and take on big blockers in the run game are all that common. It's really something we needed, especially with Kampman being a guy we won't drop into coverage a lot (we need a complete player on the other side to offset the more predictable player on the toher)

[Lurker64]

Horrible trade by Denver imo.

Denver just got raped... what the hell...

Missed it, what was it?

2010 first for the Seahawk's 2nd round pick, and they took a CB, which wasn't really a need unlike EVERY OTHER POSITION ON THE FRONT SEVEN!

What are they doing up there in the mountains?

[cpk1994]

Looks like 7:30 is the time for the next speaker at Packers.com

[retailguy]

Denver is going to be awful next year. Who is going to play QB for them? They are going to be giving away a top 10 pick in 2010(a crazy deep draft most likely) for the 37th (55-60 in a typical year). Awful trade.

i hate the broncos. more than the bears.

[Bretsky]

When you are creating the foundation, multiple picks is the way to go.
When you believe you are solid, it's time to get the players you feel are special fits for your team.
It's funny how some folks who have whined the 'turtle' nonsense for so long, and lambasted Thompson for not moving up, now have reversed field and complain about him making a move upwards.
Personally, I love both picks, and applaud the Packers for shrewd planning and the courage to go after players they want.


such a simpleton view while ignoring what he gave up to move up

I'm fully on board to give up fair value to move up; I'm fine with Matthews and think he can move in a start right away.

If Matthews is a Pro Bowler this still turns out fine

But on paper Bellichek fleeced your hero

Just like Ted fleeed Belichek in 2006 trading down for Jennings while Bill selected Chad Jackson.



Completely unrelated; was there a trade betwene BB and TT in 06 or are you really talking about TT being right on a draft pick and comparing with an actual trade >

[Rastak]

Denver is going to be awful next year. Who is going to play QB for them? They are going to be giving away a top 10 pick in 2010(a crazy deep draft most likely) for the 37th (55-60 in a typical year). Awful trade.


Orton!

[Gunakor]

Horrible trade by Denver imo.

Denver just got raped... what the hell...

Missed it, what was it?

2010 first for the Seahawk's 2nd round pick, and they took a CB, which wasn't really a need unlike EVERY OTHER POSITION ON THE FRONT SEVEN!

What are they doing up there in the mountains?

ROFLWUT???

[Bretsky]

When you are creating the foundation, multiple picks is the way to go.
When you believe you are solid, it's time to get the players you feel are special fits for your team.
It's funny how some folks who have whined the 'turtle' nonsense for so long, and lambasted Thompson for not moving up, now have reversed field and complain about him making a move upwards.
Personally, I love both picks, and applaud the Packers for shrewd planning and the courage to go after players they want.


such a simpleton view while ignoring what he gave up to move up

I'm fully on board to give up fair value to move up; I'm fine with Matthews and think he can move in a start right away.

If Matthews is a Pro Bowler this still turns out fine

But on paper Bellichek fleeced your hero

The typical anti-Ted treacle.
He's wrong if he doesn't draft your man-crush.
He's wrong if he doesn't move up.
He's wrong if he does move up.
Back to the Cheetos (and maybe a spoonful of Metamucil).


Best to avoid the facts and go general when your argument is weak

[jmbarnes101]

Knowing you are going to get Matthews, would you prefer to give up the #1 next year or what TT actually gave up? I know what I'd do but what does eveybody else think?

[retailguy]

When you are creating the foundation, multiple picks is the way to go.
When you believe you are solid, it's time to get the players you feel are special fits for your team.
It's funny how some folks who have whined the 'turtle' nonsense for so long, and lambasted Thompson for not moving up, now have reversed field and complain about him making a move upwards.
Personally, I love both picks, and applaud the Packers for shrewd planning and the courage to go after players they want.


such a simpleton view while ignoring what he gave up to move up

I'm fully on board to give up fair value to move up; I'm fine with Matthews and think he can move in a start right away.

If Matthews is a Pro Bowler this still turns out fine

But on paper Bellichek fleeced your hero

The typical anti-Ted treacle.
He's wrong if he doesn't draft your man-crush.
He's wrong if he doesn't move up.
He's wrong if he does move up.
Back to the Cheetos (and maybe a spoonful of Metamucil).


Best to avoid the facts and go general when your argument is weak

rose colored glasses give a very general view of the world.

[Rastak]

When you are creating the foundation, multiple picks is the way to go.
When you believe you are solid, it's time to get the players you feel are special fits for your team.
It's funny how some folks who have whined the 'turtle' nonsense for so long, and lambasted Thompson for not moving up, now have reversed field and complain about him making a move upwards.
Personally, I love both picks, and applaud the Packers for shrewd planning and the courage to go after players they want.


such a simpleton view while ignoring what he gave up to move up

I'm fully on board to give up fair value to move up; I'm fine with Matthews and think he can move in a start right away.

If Matthews is a Pro Bowler this still turns out fine

But on paper Bellichek fleeced your hero

The typical anti-Ted treacle.
He's wrong if he doesn't draft your man-crush.
He's wrong if he doesn't move up.
He's wrong if he does move up.
Back to the Cheetos (and maybe a spoonful of Metamucil).


Best to avoid the facts and go general when your argument is weak


That was kind of a lame counter argument.

[Gunakor]

Knowing you are going to get Matthews, would you prefer to give up the #1 next year or what TT actually gave up? I know what I'd do but what does eveybody else think?

I'd never want to give up a future #1. For anything. You never know what next years #1 could bring.

[RashanGary]

I think what we gave up was better.

[The Shadow]

He's wrong if he doesn't draft your man-crush.
He's wrong if he doesn't move up.
He's wrong if he does move up.


In your world, this is not fact??

[Partial]

Knowing you are going to get Matthews, would you prefer to give up the #1 next year or what TT actually gave up? I know what I'd do but what does eveybody else think?

Without a doubt give up the picks this year. Look at the kids coming out next year. The 1st round will be extremely deep.. like 2006 deep with all the star power and big names.

[denverYooper]

Horrible trade by Denver imo.

Denver just got raped... what the hell...

Missed it, what was it?

2010 first for the Seahawk's 2nd round pick, and they took a CB, which wasn't really a need unlike EVERY OTHER POSITION ON THE FRONT SEVEN!

What are they doing up there in the mountains?

I don't know about anyone else up here at 5280 but I'm tipping back some coldies to the Pack's big first round.

[retailguy]

He's wrong if he doesn't draft your man-crush.
He's wrong if he doesn't move up.
He's wrong if he does move up.


In your world, this is not fact??

he didn't say those things, he said they gave up too much.

[Rastak]

Bengals take Rey Maualuga........not a bad value pick!



Overall Football Traits

Production 2 2005: Maualuga appeared in 12 games recording 37 tackles including 4.5 TFL's. 2006-07: He appeared in all 26 games (22 starts) recording a total of 157 tackles, 15.5 TFL's, and eight sacks. 2008: Maualuga appears in and starts 12 out of 13 games registering 79 tackles, 2.5 TFL's, two interceptions, four pass break-ups, and one QBH. Earned first team-All-Pac Ten honors during the past three seasons and was selected as a unanimous first team All-American selection during his senior campaign in 2008.

Height-Weight-Speed 2 Displays an outstanding combination of size and straight-line speed on film. Timed speed is not as good, although hamstring injury clearly affected his 40-yard dash result at the Combine.

Durability 4 Durability is a somewhat of a concern. Did not start versus Notre Dame in 2006 because of a left wrist injury. He sustained hip pointer versus Arizona State in 2007, which limited him versus Notre Dame. Entered the 2008 season with a broken finger. He missed the Oregon contest in 2008 after spraining his right knee the week prior against Oregon State. He also pulled up with a hamstring injury during his first attempt at the 40-yard dash at the Combine.

Character 4 He was arrested in November of 2005 for suspicion of misdemeanor battery following a fight he was involved in during a Halloween party. He turned himself into authorities and agreed to attend anger management and Alcoholics Anonymous meetings, as well as perform community service. Father died of brain cancer two days prior to 2006 Rose Bowl. Maualuga was also disciplined for his involvement in an incident at a fraternity party in October of 2006. Was demoted to special teams versus Oregon State that season after he overslept a meeting.

Inside Linebacker specific Traits

Instincts/Recognition 3 Still is undisciplined at times. Not always great at playing within the scheme. He's improving in this area, though. Recognizes play action and reacts well.
Pursuit/Point of Attack 2 Pursuit angles are inconsistent. Otherwise, he is excellent in this area. He is a violent hitter with outstanding power at the point of attack. Down-hill aggressive thumper. Does a nice job of controlling and shedding blockers. Opens hips extremely well and changes directions instantly. Shows excellent overall range for his size.

Tackling 2 A knock-out artist. Will violently explode through ball carriers when given the opportunity. Only knock is that he will miss an occasional makeable tackles due to poor angles or leaving feet in an effort to deliver the big hit.

Pass Coverage 2 Has some stiffness in hips and will be limited in certain man-to-man coverage matchups in the NFL. Does a good job of looking up shallow crossers and disrupting their routes. Is able to sniff out and react to screens extremely well. Shows good ball skills.

Pass Rusher 2 Relentless and times stunts well. Displays adequate lower body strength and flashes the ability to collapse the pocket. Shows good closing speed.

[retailguy]

I think what we gave up was better.

than what?

[The Shadow]

Horrible trade by Denver imo.

Denver just got raped... what the hell...

Missed it, what was it?

2010 first for the Seahawk's 2nd round pick, and they took a CB, which wasn't really a need unlike EVERY OTHER POSITION ON THE FRONT SEVEN!

What are they doing up there in the mountains?

I don't know about anyone else up here at 5280 but I'm tipping back some coldies to the Pack's big first round.

The beer is now flowing like....like....... beer.

[Gunakor]

I think what we gave up was better.

than what?

Next years first round pick.

[Partial]

Really like this pick by the Bengals. They're having a good draft so far imo. Two people who will be good players. Little risk imo.

[Fosco33]

So TT trades away Favre's pick for Bruce's nephew. Bruce Matthews played in more games (296) than any NFL player, excluding kickers and punters, and played in more seasons (19) than any offensive lineman.

Let's hope Clay has his uncle's durability!

I'm 'ok' with the pick but see lots of holes left with not much of this draft and no real FAs remaining. Are we gonna seach the cut list in August?

[retailguy]

I think what we gave up was better.

than what?

Next years first round pick.

oh. that makes sense, and I agree. I think next years pick is going to be very high. :wink: :D

[jmbarnes101]

I think what we gave up was better.

than what?

Than what Denver gave up to go higher in the 2nd round.

[cpk1994]

So TT trades away Favre's pick for Bruce's nephew. Bruce Matthews played in more games (296) than any NFL player, excluding kickers and punters, and played in more seasons (19) than any offensive lineman.

Let's hope Clay has his uncle's durability!

I'm 'ok' with the pick but see lots of holes left with not much of this draft and no real FAs remaining. Are we gonna seach the cut list in August?Well, Clay's father wasn't too shabby either.

[Bretsky]

He's wrong if he doesn't draft your man-crush.
He's wrong if he doesn't move up.
He's wrong if he does move up.


In your world, this is not fact??


All of this is general babble

When did I say he was wrong to not move up or to move up ?

Reality as most see it is it makes sense if you give up fair value and hit.

I questioned whether he gave up too much and several have posted the numbers if you missed it. Do you have supporting evidence to counter those numbers or is it back to the generic babble ?

I also noted that if Matthews turned out to be a Pro Bowler the numbers don't really matter; even you might agree with this...maybe ?

[Rastak]

I see Britton, Beaty and Loadholt are all still on the board.....


:D

[retailguy]

So TT trades away Favre's pick for Bruce's nephew. Bruce Matthews played in more games (296) than any NFL player, excluding kickers and punters, and played in more seasons (19) than any offensive lineman.

Let's hope Clay has his uncle's durability!

I'm 'ok' with the pick but see lots of holes left with not much of this draft and no real FAs remaining. Are we gonna seach the cut list in August?

"I think we're fine there".... :wink:

[packers11]

E. Brown and E. Britton still on the board... :shock: