The official 2009 DRAFT thread

[Rastak]

As mission pointed out, it's not the 2009 "daft"....although I guess that remains to be seen!


I've got scouts inc ranked player lists I'll post shortly. Ah, always a fun weekend.

[MJZiggy]

Why didn't you just change the title of the other thread. Who knows. I could be a daft draft?!

[Rastak]

Why didn't you just change the title of the other thread. Who knows. I could be a daft draft?!

It likely will be with this start!

[Rastak]

Scouts inc ranks the QBs.....


Matthew Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman
Brian Hoyer
Rhett Bomar
Stephen McGee
Nate Davis
Tom Brandstater
Hunter Cantwell
Graham Harrell
John Parker Wilson
Curtis Painter
Michael Reilly
Cullen Harper
Drew Willy
Willie Tuitama
Jason Boltus
Rudy Carpenter
Chase Daniel
Nathan Brown
Chase Holbrook
Todd Boeckman
Joe Ganz
Nathan Longshore
David Johnson
Brian Johnson
Mike Teel
Liam Coen
Chase Patton
Tyler Lorenzen
Billy Malone
Chris Crane
Ben Olson
Christopher Pizzotti
Sean Glennon
Patrick Cowan
Keith Null
Drew Weatherford
Allan Evridge
Terry Mayo
Charles Clement
Zach Miller
John White
Robert Reid
Rodney Landers
Jacary Atkinson
Corvey Russell
Cole Berquest
Gary Rogers
Julian Edelman
C.J. Bacher
Brock Smith
Adam Hinspeter
Dominic Randolph

[Rastak]

Scouts inc ranks the RBs........


Knowshon Moreno
Chris Wells
Donald Brown
LeSean McCoy
Shonn Greene
Andre Brown
Glen Coffee
Mike Goodson
Cedric Peerman
Javon Ringer
Rashad Jennings
James Davis
Jeremiah Johnson
Kory Sheets
Arian Foster
Devin Moore
P.J. Hill
Marlon Lucky
Aaron Brown
Javarris Williams
Gartrell Johnson
Ian Johnson
Marcus Thigpen
Tyrell Sutton
Bernard Scott
Anthony Kimble
Branden Ore
Brad Lester
Kahlil Bell
Keegan Herring
Antone Smith
Mike Davis
Chris Ogbonnaya
Herb Donaldson
Maurice Wells
Rodney Ferguson
Tony Dixon
LaRod Stephens-Howling
Shannon Woods
Darrell Mack
Curtis Brinkley
Frank Summers
Jordan Scott
Tristan Davis
Corey Lewis
Luke Lippincott
Kyle Bell
Demyron Martin
Courtney Tennial
Kestahn Moore
Wynel Seldon
Benjamin Williams
Charles Pierre
Tyler Roehl
Derron Thomas
Tyrell Fenroy
Josh Vaughan
Jaycen Taylor
Eugene Holloman
Michael McLeod
Brandon Mason
Corey Council
Shun White
Ernest Robinson
Jamie Fordham
Kareem Jones
Michael Ferguson
Terrell Jackson
Taufui Vakapuna
Tarrion Adams
Walter Mendenhall
Matt Moore
Omar Conteh
Michael McLendon
Stanley Zwinggi
Jerry Seymour

[Rastak]

Scouts inc ranks the Wrs......


Michael Crabtree
Jeremy Maclin
Hakeem Nicks
Darrius Heyward-Bey
Percy Harvin
Kenny Britt
Mohamed Massaquoi
Pat White
Derrick Williams
Brian Robiskie
Brandon Tate
Mike Thomas
Louis Murphy
Juaquin Iglesias
Johnny Knox
Ramses Barden
Deon Butler
Austin Collie
Brooks Foster
Mike Wallace
Demetrius Byrd
Kenny McKinley
Jarett Dillard
Sammie Stroughter
Brandon Gibson
Quan Cosby
Kevin Ogletree
Tiquan Underwood
Andrew Means
Quinten Lawrence
Darius Passmore
Brian Hartline
Marko Mitchell
Taurus Johnson
Aaron Kelly
Manuel Johnson
Jeremy Childs
Patrick Turner
Quentin Chaney
Greg Carr
Jaison Williams
Jeremy Gilchrist
Jordan Norwood
Dominique Edison
Brennan Marion
Nate Swift
Greg Orton
Michael Jones
Jamarko Simmons
Dominick Goodman
Eron Riley
David Richmond
Dicky Lyons
Dobson Collins
Rodgeriqus Smith
Freddie Brown
Deon Murphy
Dexton Fields
Lucas Taylor
Derek Kinder
Marcus Herford
David Grimes
Robert Dunn
Ross Lane
Pierre Brown
George Smith
Dudley Guice
Jamayel Smith
Isaiah Williams
Justin Brown
Tyler Grisham
Richard Goodman
Marcus Everett
Chris Williams
Julius Pruitt
Kenneth Harris
Shawn Bayes
Willie Edwards
Kahlil Jones
Theodore Courman
Nick Moore
Charles Martin
Thomas White
Vinny Perretta
Maurice Covington
Jarrett Byers
Britt Davis
Ellis Gaulden
Dario Walker
Kevin Jurovich
Thomas Breaux
Danny Oquendo
T.J. Williams
Julian Edelman
Jason Chery
John Matthews
Kole Heckendorf
Tommy Saunders
Patrick Williams
Derrick McPhearson
Chris Vaughn
Tyree Barnes
Jamar Johnson
Carl Sims
Chasio Thomas
Brent Casteel
Ernest Jackson
Larry Beavers
Kelvin Chandler
Daryl Barnett
Derek Deardorff
Edward Gant
Robert Theoudele
Matthew Lambros
Fred Wells
Damian Sherman
Tyrell Williams
John Halman
Eric Peterman
Matt Simon
Michael Washington

[Rastak]

Scouts inc ranks the TEs...


Brandon Pettigrew
Cornelius Ingram
Shawn Nelson
Jared Cook
James Casey
Chase Coffman
Cameron Morrah
Travis Beckum
Richard Quinn
Anthony Hill
John Phillips
Bear Pascoe
Dan Gronkowski
Jared Bronson
David Johnson
Kory Sperry
Ryan Purvis
Mark Hafner
Eddie Williams
Robert Myers
Nick Walker
Darius Hill
Carson Butler
Marquez Branson
Davon Drew
Andrew Davie
Brian Mandeville
Rory Nicol
Travis McCall
Branden Ledbetter
Logan Paulsen
Devin Frischkneht
Tripp Chandler
Merce Poindexter
Kevin Brock
Steven Brouse
Cedric Hill
Robert Agnone
Chris Zellner
Johnathan Nalbone
Maurice Manley
Ian Jorgensen
Shae Reagan
Andrew Mooney
Colin Cloherty
Ryan Chesla
Moses Hinton
Jason Harmon
Jerimiah Wurzbacker
Jake O'Connell
Marcel Frost
Joseph Stewart
David Carter
Jamar Hunt
Robert Yealu

[Rastak]

Scouts inc ranks the OTs....


Jason Smith
Eugene Monroe
Andre Smith
Michael Oher
Eben Britton
William Beatty
Phil Loadholt
Jamon Meredith
Sebastian Vollmer
T.J. Lang
Gerald Cadogan
Troy Kropog
Augustus Parrish
Lydon Murtha
Fenuki Tupou
Xavier Fulton
Cornelius Lewis
Jason Watkins
Alex Boone
Andrew Gardner
Joel Bell
Robert Brewster
Seth Olsen
Dan Gay
Garrett Reynolds
Jose Valdez
George Bussey
Maurice Miller
Kyle Link
Ryan McKee
Michael Brown
Dallas Reynolds
Sean Sester
Philip Trautwein
Rylan Reed
Brandon Pearce
Scott Burley
Samuel Allen
Cameron Goldberg
Khalil El-Amin
Fred Roland
Eric Vandenhuevel
Jonathan Brost
Benjamin Coblyn
Branndon Braxton
Tavita Thompson
Timothy Silver
SirVincent Rogers
Nick Hennessey
Dane Randolph
Rashaad Duncan
Stephen Jonas
Brent Russum
Tracis Schneider
David Oswald
Rodrick Thomas
Reid Kirby
Colin Brown
Stanley Bryant
Marc Dile
Reggie Youngblood
Dakarai Grimsley
Adrian Brown
Raphael Nguti
Douglas Dedrick
Ryan Pilconis
Andre Douglas
Vaughn Lesuma
Bradley Small
Allen Smith
Frank Lepori
Andre Ramsey
Christopher Kemme
Chris Rutledge
Jesse Miller
Gregory Ryan
Fred Tucker
Justin Tougas
Jabari Ferguson
Julian Stewart
Garry Williams
Jason Wombough
Lawrence Lovell
Ryan Kozey
Shawn Flanagan
Kameron Young

[Rastak]

Scouts inc ranks the OGs.....


Andrew Levitre
Duke Robinson
Tyronne Green
Kraig Urbik
Herman Johnson
Louis Vasquez
Trevor Canfield
Greg Isdaner
Anthony Parker
Matthew Slauson
Andy Kemp
Ramon Foster
Travis Bright
Roger Allen
Cedric Dockery
C.J. Davis
Jaimie Thomas
Ray Feinga
Brandon Walker
Ryan Stanchek
Paul Fanaika
Steve Rehring
Ryan Durand
Mitch Petrus
Jeremy Perry
Tim Henderson
William Giles
Lance Louis
Richard Ohrnberger
Curtis Crouch
Dennis Conley
James Tartt
Andrew Hartline
Nicholas Marshman
Dwayne Delaney
Calvin Darity
Andrew Woodruff
Roland Martin
Jacob Griffin
Adrian Mayes
John Griffin
Casey Bulyca
Noris Malele
Mike Turkovich
Robert Conley
Matthew Huners
Aaron Lockwood
Ronald Thompson
James Quinn
Ryan Madison
Benjamin Person
Jacob Figner
Marlon Davis
Eric Ramsey
Mike Iupati
Gerard Miller
Tom Pestock
Louis Saucedo
Louis West

[Rastak]

Scouts inc ranks the C's....


Alex Mack
Eric Wood
Max Unger
Antoine Caldwell
Jonathan Luigs
A.Q. Shipley
Edwin Williams
Rob Bruggeman
Robby Felix
Alex Fletcher
Cecil Newton
Jon Cooper
Juan Garcia
Blake Schlueter
Colin Dow
Ryan McDonald
Daneil Sanders
Jonathan St. Pierre
Thomas Crowley
John Shuman
Dominic Green
David Washington
Adam Korby
Michael Dent
Jordan Bedore
Daneil Gerberry
Philip Beliles
Jason Bosley
Kennis Jones
Desi Mayner

[Rastak]

Scouts inc ranks the DT's


B.J. Raji
Peria Jerry
Evander Hood
Ron Brace
Jarron Gilbert
Fili Moala
Sen'Derrick Marks
Alex Magee
Ricky Jean-Francois
Corvey Irvin
Terrance Taylor
Roy Miller
Dorell Scott
Sammie Lee Hill
Myron Pryor
Vance Walker
Khalif Mitchell
Darryl Richard
Demonte' Bolden
Marlon Favorite
George Hypolite
Terrance Knighton
Clinton McDonald
Ra'shon Harris
Adrian Grady
John Faletoese
John Gill
Terrill Byrd
William Johnson
Nader Abdallah
Brigham Harwell
Louis Ellis
Paul Griffin
Patrick Kuntz
Matthew Kroul
Rashaad Jackson
Antonio Dixon
Jason Chapman
Rashaad Duncan
Alexander Field
Elris Anyaibe
Antoine Holmes
Dion Gales
Jervonte Jackson
Jacob Visser
Dwyane Hendricks
Vaalyn Jackson
Gerald Willette II
Adam Hoppel
Brandon Setzer
Jeremy Nararre
Ell Ash
Ventrell Jenkins
James Vess
Justin Kershaw
Andy Roof
Vaughn Martin
Pernell Phillips
David Lindquist
Edward Hall
Tim Washington
Desmond Bryant
Dean Muhtadi
Marcus Kennedy
Mario Lane
Andrae Wright

[Rastak]

Scouts inc ranks the DE's....


Aaron Maybin
Brian Orakpo
Tyson Jackson
Robert Ayers
Everette Brown
Larry English
Connor Barwin
Lawrence Sidbury
Michael Johnson
David Veikune
Brandon Williams
Michael Bennett
Kyle Moore
Mitch King
Matt Shaughnessy
Will Davis
Tim Jamison
Pannel Egboh
Ian Campbell
Henry Melton
Chris Baker
Derek Walker
Phillip Hunt
Stryker Sulak
Rulon Davis
Zach Potter
Jarius Wynn
Nick Reed
Maurice Evans
Brandon Long
Jamaal Westerman
Antwain Robinson
Jeremy Lomax
Kenneth Mainor
Brandon Swain
Maurice Lucas
John Williams
Kirston Pittman
Aaron Lewis
George Covingston
Luis Vasquez
Geneath Moffett
Julius Williams
Ronald Talley
Cyril Obiozor
Pierre Walters
Justin Brown
Joshua Gaines
Ryan Kees
Barry Turner
Daniel Skuta
William Johnson
J.D Skolnitsky
Domonique Johnson
Michael Walsh
Billy Lindsey
Jeffery Schweiger
Gerald Washington
Everette Pedescleaux
Ataefiok Etukeren
Dan Cline
Brandon Drumgoole
Gary Watts
Sherman Logan
Michael Williams
Rhyan Anderson
Dennis Marsh
Marcus Crump
Reginald Scott
Jeffery Bradley
Christopher Dowdell

[Rastak]

Scouts inc ranks the ILBs......





Rey Maualuga
James Laurinaitis
Jasper Brinkley
Jason Phillips
Scott McKillop
Darry Beckwith
Dannell Ellerbe
Gerald McRath
Worrell Williams
Josh Mauga
Antonio Appleby
Michael Tauiliili
Stanley Arnoux
Frantz Joseph
Morris Wooten
Rashad Bobino
Reginald Walker
Derek Nicholson
Pat Maynor
Dave Philistin
Brett Warren
Marvin Sapp
Jamar Chaney
Spencer Adkins
Brock Christopher
Reed Williams
Daniel Holtzclaw
Brit Miller
Glenn Cook
Darrel Young
Andrew Schantz
Cyrus Mulitalo
Terrence Jackson
John Haneline
Joe Mortensen
Tony Fein
Adam Vincent
Ryan Manalac
Endor Cooper
Mark Paschal
Julius Brandon
John Bacon
Cortney Vincent
Jason Colabella
Alton Bell
Robert Henson
Brian Raines
Thomas Korte

[Rastak]

Scouts inc ranks the OLBs.......



Aaron Curry
Brian Cushing
Clay Matthews
Paul Kruger
Clint Sintim
Cody Brown
Tyrone McKenzie
Marcus Freeman
Kaluka Maiava
Nic Harris
Jonathan Casillas
Zach Follett
Kevin Ellison
Ashlee Palmer
DeAndre Levy
Victor Butler
Lee Robinson
Robert Francois
Stephen Hodge
Moise Fokou
Mortty Ivy
Anthony Felder
Brian Toal
Jason Williams
Orion Martin
Johnny Williams
Cody Glenn
Corey Smith
Dominic Douglas
Anthony Heygood
Russell Allen
Brad Jones
Solomon Elimimian
James Holt
Slade Norris
Jovan Belcher
Quentin Cotton
Curtis Terry
Toddrick Verdell
Maurice Crum
Tyrell Sales
Mike Rivera
Adam Leonard
Chris Evans
Adam Gunn
John Mullins
Darren Burns
Brouce Mompremier
Willie Williams
Kevin Malast
Kyle Bosworth
Ramon Humber
Chantz McClinic
Jerome Boyd
Aaron Clarck
Rodney Landers
Dahna Deleston
Andrew Romans
Douglas Williams Jr.
Eugene Johnson
James Bryant
Johnathan Foster
Jameson Konz
Stanley Lykes

[Rastak]

Scouts inc ranks the CBs......



Malcolm Jenkins
Vontae Davis
Alphonso Smith
Darius Butler
D.J. Moore
Sean Smith
Jairus Byrd
Sherrod Martin
Asher Allen
Donald Washington
Coye Francies
Kevin Barnes
Cary Harris
Victor Harris
Captain Munnerlyn
Keenan Lewis
Mike Mickens
Lardarius Webb
Gregory Toler
Jerraud Powers
Ryan Mouton
Brandon Underwood
Don Carey
Chris Owens
Ellis Lankster
Ryan Palmer
Brandon Hughes
DeAngelo Smith
Morgan Trent
Domonique Johnson
Bruce Johnson
Joe Burnett
Jahi Word-Daniels
Bradley Fletcher
Wopamo Osaisai
DeAngelo Willingham
Lydell Sargeant
Londen Fryar
Tony Carter
Robert Hayes
DeAndre Wright
Brice McCain
Jason McCourty
Jacob Lacey
Derrick Clark
Mark Parson
Danny Gorrer
Jamar Love
William Middleton
Darren Banks
Derek Cox
Allen Langford
Glenn Williams
Sean Smalls
Jackie Bates
Dante Dunn
Stoney Woodson
Dercio Murray
Evan McCollough
Carlos Thomas
Arkeith Brown
Tyler Roberts
Terrail Lambert
Johnell Neal
Corey Small
Peter Ittersagen
David Jones
Jeremy Gay
Ramarcus Brown
Michael Garvin
Kendell Davis-Clark
Carlos Armour
Courtney Robinson
Melvin Rice
Armando Murillo
Vincet Butler
Courtney Smith
Ihsan Shaheed
Marrio Norman
Jabari Marshall
Braelon Davis
Colin Dow
Roy Roberts
Eddie Young
Woodny Turenne
Matthew Black
Edjuan Biggers
James Johnson
Trevor Ford
Jerome Mann
Robert Bridges
Travis Norton
Adam Roberts
Tupo Fuaau
Reginald Jones
Christopher Phillips
Liddon Levine

[Rastak]

Scouts inc ranks the S's......


Louis Delmas
Rashad Johnson
William Moore
Patrick Chung
Chip Vaughn
Darcel McBath
C.J. Spillman
Chris Clemons
Emanuel Cook
Michael Hamlin
Derek Pegues
Courtney Greene
David Bruton
Curtis Taylor
Glover Quin
Otis Wiley
Troy Nolan
Jamarca Sanford
Kevin Akins
Lendy Holmes
Nate Ness
Marcus McClinton
Anthony Reddick
Keith Fitzhugh
Josh Pinkard
Trimane Goddard
Randy Phillips
Al Afalava
Reshard Langford
Terence Moore
Anthony Scirrotto
Justin Garrett
Eric Thatcher
Merrill Johnson
Dre'Mail Hardin
Alton Dixon
Colt Anderson
Allen Nelson
Charles Byrd
Byron Glaspt
De'von Hall
Ricky Price
Glen Lee
Adrian Aye-Darko
Daniel Verpaele
William Dunbar
Ryan Walters
Mesphin Forrester
Devin Gregg
Sha'reff Rashad
Bryan Payton
Tavares Williams
Archie Reed
Darius McClure
Jason Venson
Quinton Moore
Kenneth Fontenette
Marshall McDuffie
Torri Williams
Kevin Patterson
Carlton Williams
James Neal
Robert Wilson
Brandon Harrison
Charles Wilson
Nicholas Schommer
Brandon Gathof
Rod Jones
Brandon Echols
Marcus Haywood
Tyrrell Herbert
Andrew Mack
Thomas Nelson
Bradley Pruitt
Ryan Greiser
Eric Johnson
Jacob Wyatt
Bryan Williams
Jim Johnson

[RashanGary]

Here's my top 32



1. BJ Raji
2. Jason Smith
3. Eugene Monroe
4. Andre Smith (might be undraftable because of character, but great player)
5. Matthew Stafford (never know with QB's, but if they pan out it's better than any other pick)
6. Mark Sanchez (same as Stafford)
7. Tyson Jackson
8. Aaron Curry
9. Knoshown Moreno
10. Malcolm Jenkins
11. Michael Crabtree
12. Michael Oher
13. Evander Hood
14. Donald Brown
15. Eben Britton
16. Louis Delmas
17. Alex Mack
18. Alphonso Smith
19. Brian Orakpo
20. Everette Brown
21. Aaron Maybin
22. Kenny Britt
23. James Laurinatis
24. Connor Barwin
25. Eric Wood
26. Percy Harvin
27. Brandon Pettigrew
28. Rey Maualuga
29. Chris Wells
30. DJ Moore
31. Antoine Caldwell
32. Josh Freeman

[LL2]

Should TT take a deal from the Pats. Would you take a lower 1st rd pick plus another 2nd rd pick? That would give GB 5 picks in the 1st three rds. I say yes....increase the odds of lading more better players.

07:22 AM ET 04.25 SHARE PRINT IT MY T&R
The Patriots are trying to move up into the top 10 of the draft -- but low in the top 10. Executives from two teams tell me New England offered its first-round pick and middle of three second-round picks (the 23rd and 47th picks overall) to Jacksonville for the eighth pick in the draft. Jacksonville GM Gene Smith, I'm told, said no ... but I also hear the Patriots might be looking to Green Bay at nine to move as well. Who might be the object of their affection? I'm told it may be a surprise, because smart money would say the target is LSU's Tyson Jackson, the best 3-4 defensive end in the draft and the only end versatile enough to play every spot on the defensive line. But I'm not sure it's Jackson. I think it might be an offensive player. Sorry to be so cryptic, but I truly don't know.

SI.com

[Packnut]

Woke up with a sick feeling in my gut this morning. Found out why after reading McGinn. I sure hope someone is blowing smoke cause if Crabtree is the highest rated player on Teddy's board, then we truly are in serious trouble. :cry:

Anyone with half a cup of football IQ knows the Red Raiders WR's do not run Pro style Routes on a consistent basis. Crabtree is the result of a sysytem-one that does not and will never work in the Pros. Unless MM is gonna run 5 wide 75% of the time, Crabby is a bad fit.

Why would you draft a guy who did'nt play in a Pro style offense? It's freakin insane! Not to mention this fool's character. Word is the GM's who did interview him were not happy with his "self involved love".

[Bretsky]

CRABTREE
CRABTREE
CRABTREE
CRABTREE :!: :!: :!:

[Rastak]

One NFL radio dude said the Diva reports were a crock of shit. I wish I could remember who it was but he essentially said that he'd spoken to him several times and the dude isn't in the least a diva. He said if you want any confirmation on his ability watch film and see the fact he catches everything thrown his way.

Now Percy Harvin, he's a more self involved cat. I also hope he drops to 22!

[pack4to84]

http://challengegames.nfl.com/predictpick?icampaign=PTP1_Draft_MB
Mock Draft entry

Test your knowledge with a chance to win a trip 2010 Pro Bowl

Just drag Players name onto Team you think will draft them.

[packrulz]

Should TT take a deal from the Pats. Would you take a lower 1st rd pick plus another 2nd rd pick? That would give GB 5 picks in the 1st three rds. I say yes....increase the odds of lading more better players.

07:22 AM ET 04.25 SHARE PRINT IT MY T&R
The Patriots are trying to move up into the top 10 of the draft -- but low in the top 10. Executives from two teams tell me New England offered its first-round pick and middle of three second-round picks (the 23rd and 47th picks overall) to Jacksonville for the eighth pick in the draft. Jacksonville GM Gene Smith, I'm told, said no ... but I also hear the Patriots might be looking to Green Bay at nine to move as well. Who might be the object of their affection? I'm told it may be a surprise, because smart money would say the target is LSU's Tyson Jackson, the best 3-4 defensive end in the draft and the only end versatile enough to play every spot on the defensive line. But I'm not sure it's Jackson. I think it might be an offensive player. Sorry to be so cryptic, but I truly don't know.

SI.com
Yes, trade down, I'd be thrilled!

[Gunakor]

CRABTREE
CRABTREE
CRABTREE
CRABTREE :!: :!: :!:

Wouldn't be too terribly upset if he were the pick, but there are other guys I'd like to have more than that. If Raji, J. Smith, A. Smith, Curry and Jackson are all gone before our pick, then Crabtree is bound to still be there so that's a no brainer. But, with one QB gone already and the Rams looking to nab Sanchez at #2, that doesn't seem likely. If Crabtree makes it past Seattle, I don't think he makes it past Oakland.

Raji might just be there for us after all.

[packrulz]

Woke up with a sick feeling in my gut this morning. Found out why after reading McGinn. I sure hope someone is blowing smoke cause if Crabtree is the highest rated player on Teddy's board, then we truly are in serious trouble. :cry:

Anyone with half a cup of football IQ knows the Red Raiders WR's do not run Pro style Routes on a consistent basis. Crabtree is the result of a sysytem-one that does not and will never work in the Pros. Unless MM is gonna run 5 wide 75% of the time, Crabby is a bad fit.

Why would you draft a guy who did'nt play in a Pro style offense? It's freakin insane! Not to mention this fool's character. Word is the GM's who did interview him were not happy with his "self involved love".
Have you ever seen him play? McShay says he's the most complete, legitimate #1 WR in the draft.

[sheepshead]

I lean offense for a top 10 pick. For the money, unless you have the next reggie white, it just makes sense. There's no way in hell any civilian knows who's on the top of TT's list however.

[packrulz]

TT would have to think pretty hard about Eugene Monroe or Crabtree if they slip, Sanchez's stock is soaring, he might go as high as #2, this is good for TT, other players will slip. Here's some rumors: http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/04/24/qb-roundup-sanchez-driving-trade-rumors/

[Fritz]

Should TT take a deal from the Pats. Would you take a lower 1st rd pick plus another 2nd rd pick? That would give GB 5 picks in the 1st three rds. I say yes....increase the odds of lading more better players.

07:22 AM ET 04.25 SHARE PRINT IT MY T&R
The Patriots are trying to move up into the top 10 of the draft -- but low in the top 10. Executives from two teams tell me New England offered its first-round pick and middle of three second-round picks (the 23rd and 47th picks overall) to Jacksonville for the eighth pick in the draft. Jacksonville GM Gene Smith, I'm told, said no ... but I also hear the Patriots might be looking to Green Bay at nine to move as well. Who might be the object of their affection? I'm told it may be a surprise, because smart money would say the target is LSU's Tyson Jackson, the best 3-4 defensive end in the draft and the only end versatile enough to play every spot on the defensive line. But I'm not sure it's Jackson. I think it might be an offensive player. Sorry to be so cryptic, but I truly don't know.

SI.com
Yes, trade down, I'd be thrilled!

As I posted yesterday, this deal makes little sense from the "point value" perspective. The #9 pick is worth 1350 points, but the Patriots' offer totals only 1130 or so points. To even it up, the Pats would either have to throw in another pick - a third rounder - or make the offer their first plus the #34 pick.

Just say no, Ted. Don't do it unless the Pats ante up.

[pack4to84]

Rumor Post
Randolph Hiedler

Ok this is what I have heard this evening:

Thompson is going to be looking at getting a starter in the first round. I have heard about names that top two different groups on the draft board from what has been observed over the last week.

Group A (note that these are only the names that were talked about heavily and not all of them):

Orapko
Raji
Wells
Jackson
Crabtree

Group B:

Jenkins
Brace
Coffman
Oher
English

Several potential trades have been worked out:

1. Dolphins
2. Patriots
3. Eagles
4. Giants

Also Driver, Harris, and Kampman have came up as names for draft day trade bait.

[Bretsky]

CRABTREE
CRABTREE
CRABTREE
CRABTREE :!: :!: :!:

Wouldn't be too terribly upset if he were the pick, but there are other guys I'd like to have more than that. If Raji, J. Smith, A. Smith, Curry and Jackson are all gone before our pick, then Crabtree is bound to still be there so that's a no brainer. But, with one QB gone already and the Rams looking to nab Sanchez at #2, that doesn't seem likely. If Crabtree makes it past Seattle, I don't think he makes it past Oakland.

Raji might just be there for us after all.


Of those picks I'd be very fine with Curry; I'm alright with the others but they don't excite me nearly as much as the Crab. They are examples of need over BPA

Many think Oakland wants one of those OT's

[Bretsky]

Woke up with a sick feeling in my gut this morning. Found out why after reading McGinn. I sure hope someone is blowing smoke cause if Crabtree is the highest rated player on Teddy's board, then we truly are in serious trouble. :cry:

Anyone with half a cup of football IQ knows the Red Raiders WR's do not run Pro style Routes on a consistent basis. Crabtree is the result of a sysytem-one that does not and will never work in the Pros. Unless MM is gonna run 5 wide 75% of the time, Crabby is a bad fit.

Why would you draft a guy who did'nt play in a Pro style offense? It's freakin insane! Not to mention this fool's character. Word is the GM's who did interview him were not happy with his "self involved love".
Have you ever seen him play? McShay says he's the most complete, legitimate #1 WR in the draft.


Packnut; I don't see where you are coming from. Man among boyz

[Gunakor]

Should TT take a deal from the Pats. Would you take a lower 1st rd pick plus another 2nd rd pick? That would give GB 5 picks in the 1st three rds. I say yes....increase the odds of lading more better players.

07:22 AM ET 04.25 SHARE PRINT IT MY T&R
The Patriots are trying to move up into the top 10 of the draft -- but low in the top 10. Executives from two teams tell me New England offered its first-round pick and middle of three second-round picks (the 23rd and 47th picks overall) to Jacksonville for the eighth pick in the draft. Jacksonville GM Gene Smith, I'm told, said no ... but I also hear the Patriots might be looking to Green Bay at nine to move as well. Who might be the object of their affection? I'm told it may be a surprise, because smart money would say the target is LSU's Tyson Jackson, the best 3-4 defensive end in the draft and the only end versatile enough to play every spot on the defensive line. But I'm not sure it's Jackson. I think it might be an offensive player. Sorry to be so cryptic, but I truly don't know.

SI.com
Yes, trade down, I'd be thrilled!

As I posted yesterday, this deal makes little sense from the "point value" perspective. The #9 pick is worth 1350 points, but the Patriots' offer totals only 1130 or so points. To even it up, the Pats would either have to throw in another pick - a third rounder - or make the offer their first plus the #34 pick.

Just say no, Ted. Don't do it unless the Pats ante up.

I keep hearing Jackson might go #3 to Kansas City anyway, and if he did it would make this whole issue moot. Pats aren't going to ante up to move up to #3.

[packrulz]

Should TT take a deal from the Pats. Would you take a lower 1st rd pick plus another 2nd rd pick? That would give GB 5 picks in the 1st three rds. I say yes....increase the odds of lading more better players.

07:22 AM ET 04.25 SHARE PRINT IT MY T&R
The Patriots are trying to move up into the top 10 of the draft -- but low in the top 10. Executives from two teams tell me New England offered its first-round pick and middle of three second-round picks (the 23rd and 47th picks overall) to Jacksonville for the eighth pick in the draft. Jacksonville GM Gene Smith, I'm told, said no ... but I also hear the Patriots might be looking to Green Bay at nine to move as well. Who might be the object of their affection? I'm told it may be a surprise, because smart money would say the target is LSU's Tyson Jackson, the best 3-4 defensive end in the draft and the only end versatile enough to play every spot on the defensive line. But I'm not sure it's Jackson. I think it might be an offensive player. Sorry to be so cryptic, but I truly don't know.

SI.com
Yes, trade down, I'd be thrilled!

As I posted yesterday, this deal makes little sense from the "point value" perspective. The #9 pick is worth 1350 points, but the Patriots' offer totals only 1130 or so points. To even it up, the Pats would either have to throw in another pick - a third rounder - or make the offer their first plus the #34 pick.

Just say no, Ted. Don't do it unless the Pats ante up.
One problem with "point value" is it doesn't take into account the quality of players available at their respective positions, it's just crunching numbers. Most experts feel this draft is weak on top but strong in the 2nd round, so you have to take into account the human aspect, plus, it's cheaper on the salary cap.

[Fritz]

True, true, but if a team is wanting to move up it's because they want a specific player - they value that player highly. So they must think that player is worthwhile - thus the point value chart.

I just wouldn't let the Patriots bend me over if I were Thompson, and to me that's what that trade would be. Make the Pats even up the point value, or sit tight and take the highest guy on the board.

[sheepshead]

Just for fun kids:


http://packerslounge.com/?p=5022

[sheepshead]

Rumor Post
Randolph Hiedler

Ok this is what I have heard this evening:

Thompson is going to be looking at getting a starter in the first round. I have heard about names that top two different groups on the draft board from what has been observed over the last week.

Group A (note that these are only the names that were talked about heavily and not all of them):

Orapko
Raji
Wells
Jackson
Crabtree

Group B:

Jenkins
Brace
Coffman
Oher
English

Several potential trades have been worked out:

1. Dolphins
2. Patriots
3. Eagles
4. Giants

Also Driver, Harris, and Kampman have came up as names for draft day trade bait.

Where did this come from? This looks plausible.

[Rastak]

True, true, but if a team is wanting to move up it's because they want a specific player - they value that player highly. So they must think that player is worthwhile - thus the point value chart.

I just wouldn't let the Patriots bend me over if I were Thompson, and to me that's what that trade would be. Make the Pats even up the point value, or sit tight and take the highest guy on the board.


The point chart is pretty outdated at this point. If Detroit tried to trade that #1 (before they signed Stafford) they would have found zero takers at the point value chart price. Tons of cash to be laid out on unproven players in the top 10.

[Gunakor]

CRABTREE
CRABTREE
CRABTREE
CRABTREE :!: :!: :!:

Wouldn't be too terribly upset if he were the pick, but there are other guys I'd like to have more than that. If Raji, J. Smith, A. Smith, Curry and Jackson are all gone before our pick, then Crabtree is bound to still be there so that's a no brainer. But, with one QB gone already and the Rams looking to nab Sanchez at #2, that doesn't seem likely. If Crabtree makes it past Seattle, I don't think he makes it past Oakland.

Raji might just be there for us after all.


Of those picks I'd be very fine with Curry; I'm alright with the others but they don't excite me nearly as much as the Crab. They are examples of need over BPA

Many think Oakland wants one of those OT's

J. Smith is going to be an elite LT in this league, and A. Smith is going to be an elite RT in this league. Bank on both players. We need new bookend tackles, and either would be a fantastic start.

Besides, Crabtree isn't going to be the next Michael Irvin on a team where the ball is spread around as much as it is in Green Bay. Not to mention McCarthy's desire to run the ball and run it often.

I honestly think the best thing for Crabtree is to go to a team who needs a WR and loves to throw the ball (Oakland), and the best thing for Green Bay is not to follow Matt Millen's example of drafting a WR with the first pick in consecutive drafts. Especially when the WR we drafted first last season was more than effective, only dropping one ball thrown in his direction all year long.

[Packnut]

Woke up with a sick feeling in my gut this morning. Found out why after reading McGinn. I sure hope someone is blowing smoke cause if Crabtree is the highest rated player on Teddy's board, then we truly are in serious trouble. :cry:

Anyone with half a cup of football IQ knows the Red Raiders WR's do not run Pro style Routes on a consistent basis. Crabtree is the result of a sysytem-one that does not and will never work in the Pros. Unless MM is gonna run 5 wide 75% of the time, Crabby is a bad fit.

Why would you draft a guy who did'nt play in a Pro style offense? It's freakin insane! Not to mention this fool's character. Word is the GM's who did interview him were not happy with his "self involved love".
Have you ever seen him play? McShay says he's the most complete, legitimate #1 WR in the draft.


Packnut; I don't see where you are coming from. Man among boyz

The routes you run at Texas Tech are not the routes you run in the NFL. That is a quote from Kiper. Since I am a college football gambling addict :oops: , and I love betting on offense minded teams, I am very familiar with TT. I've watched Leach"s system turn average WR's into guys who look like the next coming. Every college fantasy football season I take the TT WR's as my second pick and every year I win.

You also have to factor in that secondary play in the Big 12 is pretty much an exercise in futility. I'm not disputing that Crabtree has talent but ask yourself this, "is he better than Calvin Johnson was when he came out?" The answer is no and look how Johnson has struggled to adapt to the pro game.

WR is the biggest crapshoot in the NFL draft. It's been proven time and time again. Just look at the number of 1st rd WR busts. The list is staggering and most of them had the same hype coming out of college.

[Fritz]

Okay, Sheep, I don't usually watch that stuff, but that was funny.

[Bretsky]

CRABTREE
CRABTREE
CRABTREE
CRABTREE :!: :!: :!:

Wouldn't be too terribly upset if he were the pick, but there are other guys I'd like to have more than that. If Raji, J. Smith, A. Smith, Curry and Jackson are all gone before our pick, then Crabtree is bound to still be there so that's a no brainer. But, with one QB gone already and the Rams looking to nab Sanchez at #2, that doesn't seem likely. If Crabtree makes it past Seattle, I don't think he makes it past Oakland.

Raji might just be there for us after all.


Of those picks I'd be very fine with Curry; I'm alright with the others but they don't excite me nearly as much as the Crab. They are examples of need over BPA

Many think Oakland wants one of those OT's

J. Smith is going to be an elite LT in this league, and A. Smith is going to be an elite RT in this league. Bank on both players. We need new bookend tackles, and either would be a fantastic start.

Besides, Crabtree isn't going to be the next Michael Irvin on a team where the ball is spread around as much as it is in Green Bay. Not to mention McCarthy's desire to run the ball and run it often.

I honestly think the best thing for Crabtree is to go to a team who needs a WR and loves to throw the ball (Oakland), and the best thing for Green Bay is not to follow Matt Millen's example of drafting a WR with the first pick in consecutive drafts. Especially when the WR we drafted first last season was more than effective, only dropping one ball thrown in his direction all year long.

Oops; I didn't see the J Smith

Guys I'd be on board with over Crab are the top two OT's in Smith and Monroe, and Curry.

A Smith still scares me; I don't want the guy

Millen drafted the wrong guys; position aside. If Crabtree is a future star it's a good pick.

It's like free agency IMO. It's ok to overpay some....as long as you've signed the right player.

Risk is you overpay and grab the wrong guy...then you are screwed for years

[pack4to84]

Packers Draft room Live cam

http://www.packers.com/draft/2009/cam/

Not live yet.

[Gunakor]

A. Smith only scares me at LT. He'll be more than okay as a RT, especially for a team like Green Bay who has an extremely mobile QB with a quick release. Just can't slide him over to the left side when Clifton is done.

[Packnut]

One NFL radio dude said the Diva reports were a crock of shit. I wish I could remember who it was but he essentially said that he'd spoken to him several times and the dude isn't in the least a diva. He said if you want any confirmation on his ability watch film and see the fact he catches everything thrown his way.

Now Percy Harvin, he's a more self involved cat. I also hope he drops to 22!

The Texas Tech receiver brought a diva attitude on his visit to the club facility last week and did not impress coach Eric Mangini and others, the source said. In fact, Crabtree was described by some in the building as "not nice." After Crabtree left, Mangini secured last-minute workouts with borderline first-round receivers Hakeem Nicks of North Carolina, Kenny Britt of Rutgers and Mohamed Massaquoi of Georgia. - Tony Grossi, The Cleveland Plain Dealer

Had the reports been of a national nature, I would agree with you. But since they come from the team's local paper, I suspect there is something to them.

[sheepshead]

The last 13 Number nines:



99Keith RiversBengalsLBUSC
99Ted Ginn Jr.DolphinsWROhio State
99Ernie SimsLionsLBFlorida State
99Carlos RogersRedskinsDBAuburn
99Reggie WilliamsJaguarsWRWashington
99Kevin WilliamsVikingsDEOklahoma State
99John HendersonJaguarsDTTennessee
99Koren RobinsonSeahawksWRNorth Carolina State
99Brian UrlacherBearsLBNew Mexico
99Chris ClaiborneLionsLBUSC
99Fred TaylorJaguarsRBFlorida
99Tom KnightCardinalsDBIowa
99Rickey DudleyRaidersTEOhio State

[Fritz]

CRABTREE
CRABTREE
CRABTREE
CRABTREE :!: :!: :!:

Wouldn't be too terribly upset if he were the pick, but there are other guys I'd like to have more than that. If Raji, J. Smith, A. Smith, Curry and Jackson are all gone before our pick, then Crabtree is bound to still be there so that's a no brainer. But, with one QB gone already and the Rams looking to nab Sanchez at #2, that doesn't seem likely. If Crabtree makes it past Seattle, I don't think he makes it past Oakland.

Raji might just be there for us after all.


Of those picks I'd be very fine with Curry; I'm alright with the others but they don't excite me nearly as much as the Crab. They are examples of need over BPA

Many think Oakland wants one of those OT's

J. Smith is going to be an elite LT in this league, and A. Smith is going to be an elite RT in this league. Bank on both players. We need new bookend tackles, and either would be a fantastic start.

Besides, Crabtree isn't going to be the next Michael Irvin on a team where the ball is spread around as much as it is in Green Bay. Not to mention McCarthy's desire to run the ball and run it often.

I honestly think the best thing for Crabtree is to go to a team who needs a WR and loves to throw the ball (Oakland), and the best thing for Green Bay is not to follow Matt Millen's example of drafting a WR with the first pick in consecutive drafts. Especially when the WR we drafted first last season was more than effective, only dropping one ball thrown in his direction all year long.

Oops; I didn't see the J Smith

Guys I'd be on board with over Crab are the top two OT's in Smith and Monroe, and Curry.

A Smith still scares me; I don't want the guy

Millen drafted the wrong guys; position aside. If Crabtree is a future star it's a good pick.

It's like free agency IMO. It's ok to overpay some....as long as you've signed the right player.

Risk is you overpay and grab the wrong guy...then you are screwed for years

Two comments on the bold-faced bits, re: the Lions.

You are correct - it's not that Millen drafted too many guys at the same position too high - it's that the picks were usually bad (see Williams, Mike; Rogers, Chas).

Secondly, the "Risk is you overpay and grab the wrong guy..." - that's what I think the Lions did with Stafford. They were pushed that way by the system, but I'd rather overpay for Curry who is a much, much surer bet, than way overpay for Stafford and have a guy who, to me, is as raw as Jamarcus Russell was/is. The Lions are going to have a scattershot QB they're paying buku bucks to next year, while they will be forced to pass on the Tebows and Bradstreets next April...

[sheepshead]

Okay, Sheep, I don't usually watch that stuff, but that was funny.

Thought it was clever.

[Packnut]

Another thing about Crabby. This guy has Al Davis written all over him. I mean, the Raiders have to get a WR after they invested so much in their QB. Crabtree is a perfect fit, yet I just read the latest word has Oakland talking to the Missouri stud WR.

[Gunakor]

Another thing about Crabby. This guy has Al Davis written all over him. I mean, the Raiders have to get a WR after they invested so much in their QB. Crabtree is a perfect fit, yet I just read the latest word has Oakland talking to the Missouri stud WR.

Davis will select Crabtree if he's there. I am almost 100% convinced of that. There is really very little chance he falls all the way to us at #9.

[Brando19]

Scouts inc ranks the QBs.....


Matthew Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman
Brian Hoyer
Rhett Bomar
Stephen McGee
Nate Davis
Tom Brandstater
Hunter Cantwell
Graham Harrell
John Parker Wilson
Curtis Painter
Michael Reilly
Cullen Harper
Drew Willy
Willie Tuitama
Jason Boltus
Rudy Carpenter
Chase Daniel
Nathan Brown
Chase Holbrook
Todd Boeckman
Joe Ganz
Nathan Longshore
David Johnson
Brian Johnson
Mike Teel
Liam Coen
Chase Patton
Tyler Lorenzen
Billy Malone
Chris Crane
Ben Olson
Christopher Pizzotti
Sean Glennon
Patrick Cowan
Keith Null
Drew Weatherford
Allan Evridge
Terry Mayo
Charles Clement
Zach Miller
John White
Robert Reid
Rodney Landers
Jacary Atkinson
Corvey Russell
Cole Berquest
Gary Rogers
Julian Edelman
C.J. Bacher
Brock Smith
Adam Hinspeter
Dominic Randolph

Why is Pat White not on this list....why is he not in the top 10 even? Bunch of dumbasses over there at Scouts.

[Brando19]

I would love to have Crabtree in a Packer uniform moreso than any other player...but..what scares me is Greg Jennings. Picking Crabby at 9 will assure him a butt load of money and Jennings is due a contract...a big big one at that. We would have two very high paid WR's on our team when there's already alot of money going elsewhere and more needs on the team.
That said.......Crabtree would scare defenses for years to come and the Packers would have one of the highest scoring offenses.

[Gunakor]

I would love to have Crabtree in a Packer uniform moreso than any other player...but..what scares me is Greg Jennings. Picking Crabby at 9 will assure him a butt load of money and Jennings is due a contract...a big big one at that. We would have two very high paid WR's on our team when there's already alot of money going elsewhere and more needs on the team.
That said.......Crabtree would scare defenses for years to come and the Packers would have one of the highest scoring offenses.

I think the Packers could have one of the highest scoring offenses without him, to be honest.

[pbmax]

One NFL radio dude said the Diva reports were a crock of shit. I wish I could remember who it was but he essentially said that he'd spoken to him several times and the dude isn't in the least a diva. He said if you want any confirmation on his ability watch film and see the fact he catches everything thrown his way.

Now Percy Harvin, he's a more self involved cat. I also hope he drops to 22!

The Texas Tech receiver brought a diva attitude on his visit to the club facility last week and did not impress coach Eric Mangini and others, the source said. In fact, Crabtree was described by some in the building as "not nice." After Crabtree left, Mangini secured last-minute workouts with borderline first-round receivers Hakeem Nicks of North Carolina, Kenny Britt of Rutgers and Mohamed Massaquoi of Georgia. - Tony Grossi, The Cleveland Plain Dealer

Had the reports been of a national nature, I would agree with you. But since they come from the team's local paper, I suspect there is something to them.
Be careful with this report Packnut. Mangenius is from the Belicheck coaching tree. Which means we might all be advised to go buy Crabtree stock.

[RashanGary]

Okay, Sheep, I don't usually watch that stuff, but that was funny.

haha. I actually watched the whole thing too. Very topical.

[Rastak]

One NFL radio dude said the Diva reports were a crock of shit. I wish I could remember who it was but he essentially said that he'd spoken to him several times and the dude isn't in the least a diva. He said if you want any confirmation on his ability watch film and see the fact he catches everything thrown his way.

Now Percy Harvin, he's a more self involved cat. I also hope he drops to 22!

The Texas Tech receiver brought a diva attitude on his visit to the club facility last week and did not impress coach Eric Mangini and others, the source said. In fact, Crabtree was described by some in the building as "not nice." After Crabtree left, Mangini secured last-minute workouts with borderline first-round receivers Hakeem Nicks of North Carolina, Kenny Britt of Rutgers and Mohamed Massaquoi of Georgia. - Tony Grossi, The Cleveland Plain Dealer

Had the reports been of a national nature, I would agree with you. But since they come from the team's local paper, I suspect there is something to them.
Be careful with this report Packnut. Mangenius is from the Belicheck coaching tree. Which means we might all be advised to go buy Crabtree stock.

Exactly.

[red]

Just for fun kids:


http://packerslounge.com/?p=5022

lol, thats great

and thats usually how i feel

[red]

this feels just like the harrell draft to me

there is at least 25 players i would be fine with TT taking in the first

and chances are, it won't be any of them

[pbmax]

Just for fun kids:


http://packerslounge.com/?p=5022
That was great. Thanks sheep.

[RashanGary]

I'm hoping Sanchez, Crabtree, Andre Smith and Brian Orakpo go before us.


I'm crossing my fingers for Raji or one of the top 2 tackles (doubtful on the OT's, I know)

I also feel very comfortable with Tyson Jackson and Knoshown Moreno as a last resort (better runner than Lynch).

[red]

when does this start, does anyone know

when is the first pick? is it at 10 or 3?

[RashanGary]

3:00 is the first pick. 10 mins per pick, so we should pick short before 4:30. It's going to be exciting to see picks fall off the board. I know we'll all celebrate when Sanchez is picked (if it comes before us).

[pbmax]

3 PM, with NFLN and ESPN each having 5 hour pre-game broadcasts. One of these days, Mel or Mike are going to go postal.

[red]

oh thats bull shit

what the hell am i going to do all day?

[cpk1994]

3 PM, with NFLN and ESPN each having 5 hour pre-game broadcasts. One of these days, Mel or Mike are going to go postal.Mel is used to this. He is at this all year long. Besides as long as he has that hair, he is like the Fonz. Aaaaaaayeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[red]

this is always one of my favorite parts of the draft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98

[RashanGary]

I think #9 is a very good place to be. Moreno is a natural runner. He's not the homerun threat of Adrian Peterson (nobody is), but he's as natural and gifted of a runner in ever other way that has come out in a couple years.

As a last resort, no matter how it falls, I think we can feel cozy knowing we can take a great RB even if better needs don't fall our way.

[Fritz]

3:00 is the first pick. 10 mins per pick, so we should pick short before 4:30. It's going to be exciting to see picks fall off the board. I know we'll all celebrate when Sanchez is picked (if it comes before us).

Not really, JH. You'll have t.v. timeouts and time for Mel Kiper to re-mold his helmet-head hairdo. It'll be, I'm guessing, closer to five p.m.

[Fritz]

this is always one of my favorite parts of the draft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98

That is hilarious, Red. The Jets suck at drafting, so, so bad.

[RashanGary]

Haha. I'm with Fritz on everything. That was funny. The best was hearing everyone call for Sapp and then they draft some douche bag I don't even remember.

[Fritz]

Haha. I'm with Fritz on everything. That was funny. The best was hearing everyone call for Sapp and then they draft some douche bag I don't even remember.

"With their first pick of the 2009 draft...the New York Jets select....some douche bad whose name they cannot e3ven remember!!"

Did you binge it last night, JH?

[cpk1994]

3:00 is the first pick. 10 mins per pick, so we should pick short before 4:30. It's going to be exciting to see picks fall off the board. I know we'll all celebrate when Sanchez is picked (if it comes before us).

Not really, JH. You'll have t.v. timeouts and time for Mel Kiper to re-mold his helmet-head hairdo. It'll be, I'm guessing, closer to five p.m.the 10 minute clock doesn't stop for TV. 10 minutes is 10 minutes.

[RashanGary]

No :)

I stayed up late, all wired for the draft and then woke up at 5:45 like I do every morning. Thankfully I was able to take a morning nap for about 2 hours and now I'm back.

[pack4to84]

3 PM, with NFLN and ESPN each having 5 hour pre-game broadcasts. One of these days, Mel or Mike are going to go postal.
3pm ET so that would be 2pm CT

[cpk1994]

this is always one of my favorite parts of the draft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98

That is hilarious, Red. The Jets suck at drafting, so, so bad.THe best one was the non-drafting of Warren Sapp. ALl the Jets fans are chanting "We Want Sapp". THey draft Kyle Brady and the one guy just puts his head in his hands. Hilarious.

[ND72]

3 PM, with NFLN and ESPN each having 5 hour pre-game broadcasts. One of these days, Mel or Mike are going to go postal.
3pm ET so that would be 2pm CT

4pm ET, 3pm CT

[pack4to84]

Any of you going to watch NFLN online today? Starting at 2:30 pm CT

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/live/landing

[packrulz]

I'm almost as excited about the 2nd round as I am about the first, TT might have a shot at OLB's English, Barwin, or Sintim.

[Rastak]

I like this quote.......



Tony Augusty of the Detroit News has this advice for Stafford: "If you get cocky, remember: You play for the Lions."

[Rastak]

Any of you going to watch NFLN online today? Starting at 2:30 pm CT

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/live/landing


Got it on now.....and yea, I'll likely stay there for the entire draft......

[Badgerinmaine]

I like this quote.......



Tony Augusty of the Detroit News has this advice for Stafford: "If you get cocky, remember: You play for the Lions."

:lol:

[RashanGary]

Please, no Orakpo.

Orakpo is all straight ahead. He's a workout warrior. He's not a football player that can move. He can only go one direction, straight ahead, and NFL OT's are going to stone him cold.

[red]

lol

ohhhhhh

the nfl network has permission to show the inside of the packers war room

couldn't they find a more exciting team?

TT shows no emotion, and barely moves during the 12 hours

[Fritz]

3:00 is the first pick. 10 mins per pick, so we should pick short before 4:30. It's going to be exciting to see picks fall off the board. I know we'll all celebrate when Sanchez is picked (if it comes before us).

Not really, JH. You'll have t.v. timeouts and time for Mel Kiper to re-mold his helmet-head hairdo. It'll be, I'm guessing, closer to five p.m.the 10 minute clock doesn't stop for TV. 10 minutes is 10 minutes.

You are correct, cp, but remember too that there is time between picks. Goodell doesn't just get to the Seahawks pick, and have the Seahawks rep walking up in the last twelve seconds left on their clock. Seems like the league gives teams time to walk up. Then there's the hemming and hawing and the dramatic pause while Jets fans cry out in anticipated anguish. Then there's the new #1 jersey of said team, and so on and so on.

I still think it'll be longer than an hour and a half before the Pack is on the clock.

[packrulz]

I could see drafting a punter in the 6th or 7th round, last year was a joke. I like Tom Morstead, SMU.

[red]

we better not have to wait the whole 10 minutes for the lions to pick

[ND72]

Please, no Orakpo.

Orakpo is all straight ahead. He's a workout warrior. He's not a football player that can move. He can only go one direction, straight ahead, and NFL OT's are going to stone him cold.

the more I see almost all of the college DE's that NFL thinks could be OLB, I see the same thing. I love Orakpo, but I think we're going through a trial seperation period.

[digitaldean]

Maybe the first big trade of the day will be this...
http://deadspin.com/assets/resources/2008/04/mel_kiper_mcshay_trade_hair.jpg
Mc Shay trades Kiper for his hair. I don't know, Mel's molded hair (which he says his wife cuts for him) reminds me of a bad Play-Doh mold.

[Freak Out]

Maybe the first big trade of the day will be this...
http://deadspin.com/assets/resources/2008/04/mel_kiper_mcshay_trade_hair.jpg
Mc Shay trades Kiper for his hair. I don't know, Mel's molded hair (which he says his wife cuts for him) reminds me of a bad Play-Doh mold.

:lol: They spent some dough for those hair jobs.

[digitaldean]

Now that the Kitties are stupid enough to throw that much funny money at Joey Harrington the 2nd, it'll be interesting to see what else will happen.

See that New England now wants to trade out of the first round?! Man, there's more disinformation going on here than a Tom Clancy novel!

Ted is still a BPA guy, but I'd be happy with Tyson Jackson or Raji.

Kept hearing about the scenarios of Crabtree falling to us. Though it'd be a heck of a problem to have, I don't see it happening. Cleveland or Jax will pick him up first.

[digitaldean]

I'm all for soclal media and Twitter.. (twitter.com/digitaldean)

But some teams are actually going to post their pick on Twitter before announcing it at New York. May only be a matter of seconds, just find it kind of weird.

[cpk1994]

Maybe the first big trade of the day will be this...
http://deadspin.com/assets/resources/2008/04/mel_kiper_mcshay_trade_hair.jpg
Mc Shay trades Kiper for his hair. I don't know, Mel's molded hair (which he says his wife cuts for him) reminds me of a bad Play-Doh mold.I know ESPN is thinking of replacing Kiper with McShay, but miking McShay llok like Mel's clone is a little ridiculous. :lol:

[digitaldean]

I do like Kiper's insight, the guy is into this stuff like no one else. But sometimes, he takes it a little beyond with all the work out times, etc.

The game film means more than the work outs.

[jmbarnes101]

Thank you for the info on the NFL Network coverage. I don't get that channel and I don't have cable right now so I was worrying I'd have to go to the local watering hole to watch with my young girls since the wife is working. Now I can stay home and watch the streaming video instead.

[HarveyWallbangers]

This 3PM start sucks. Normally, the draft would have just started. I liked the old format better (3 rounds on Sat, 4 rounds on Sun). They just needed to knock down the time for picks. 10 minutes for 1st round, 5 minutes after that.

[pbmax]

Please, no Orakpo.

Orakpo is all straight ahead. He's a workout warrior. He's not a football player that can move. He can only go one direction, straight ahead, and NFL OT's are going to stone him cold.

the more I see almost all of the college DE's that NFL thinks could be OLB, I see the same thing. I love Orakpo, but I think we're going through a trial seperation period.
ND and JH,

First, sorry to hear about the separation ND :lol:
But what was Orakpo's production in college like? Is he truly a workout wonder or is there actual on field performance and just a question of whether he can make the transition to OLB in a 3-4?

[GrnBay007]

This 3PM start sucks. Normally, the draft would have just started. I liked the old format better (3 rounds on Sat, 4 rounds on Sun). They just needed to knock down the time for picks. 10 minutes for 1st round, 5 minutes after that.

I know!!! I thought it started at 10 today!!! I have to be some place at 2pm with little to none chances of being able to watch and/or listen. :x

Hope my backup plan works and someone will text me the first 10 picks and the 1st Packer pick....whenever that is.

[Rastak]

This 3PM start sucks. Normally, the draft would have just started. I liked the old format better (3 rounds on Sat, 4 rounds on Sun). They just needed to knock down the time for picks. 10 minutes for 1st round, 5 minutes after that.

Completely agree.

[pbmax]

Jets fans at the Draft are the best, and I feel sorry for them. Its been overplayed a little recently, but man did they have a run of WTF? picks. It was like Millen running the team for better than a decade.

But unlike Millen, those picks would be people you never heard going in the first round. Lageman was classic. Back to back TEs. Lam Jones, Freeman McNeil and Ken O'Brien actually had decent careers (Lam Jones not so much), but never lived up to first round hype. O'Brien would have franchise record games against the Dolphins, but the Jets D couldn't stop Marino.

But none of those picks caused me as much anguish as the Browns pick in 1986 I think. They were in the top ten, had Kosar and desperately needed weapons. It was obvious they were going Wide Receiver. I had two publications with me and knew the name of like 10 prospects.

They selected Webster Slaughter from San Diego State I think and I fell off the couch. All the Bear fans with me had a grand time and bring this up to this day. They had sent everyone in the organization to scout every WR prospect (Paul Warfield and Calvin Hill went out to scout even though neither worked in personnel, and Ozzie Newsome might even have been involved while still a player). And this was the guy.

In Mel's words, they did not understand the draft and could have dropped to a lower pick and still gotten him. It turned out well as Slaughter went to a couple of Pro Bowls. But it was the ultimate HUH?

[pbmax]

Did anyone else watch in the 80's when it started at 8 AM Eastern on a Tuesday? Used to have to skip classes to watch. With 15 minutes per first round, friends would go to class, get lunch, do homework and come back while we were still watching the first round :D

[Rastak]

Did anyone else watch in the 80's when it started at 8 AM Eastern on a Tuesday? Used to have to skip classes to watch. With 15 minutes per first round, friends would go to class, get lunch, do homework and come back while we were still watching the first round :D


Ha!

I sure do, I used to take the day off of work.

[cpk1994]

Good lord, ESPN has a camera at Drew Rosenhaus's Draft Party. :roll:

[K-town]

Good lord, ESPN has a camera at Drew Rosenhaus's Draft Party. :roll:

Isn't that one of the signs of the Apocalypse?

[cpk1994]

Good lord, ESPN has a camera at Drew Rosenhaus's Draft Party. :roll:

Isn't that one of the signs of the Apocalypse?I think it is. It also looks like he applied a fresh coat of laquer to his hair.

EDIT: I should also note he has one hell of a spread set up.

[RashanGary]

I don't know with Orakpo. I just don't know. He's so athletically gifted. He had a good college career. I could be wrong. You just see so many workout wonders fail, although he did have a good career at DE.

You think about Greg Lloyd and Lamar Woodley and you think maybe he is that type of guy. He could be. That's the tough thing, 3-4 teams used to be able to grab guys in the 3rd, 4th or 5th round, play them on ST's and then have some of them develop into dominate linebackers. We're taking this guy who looks a little like some of those great players, but you don't know if he can really do it. He's not going to be able to just line up and beat a tackle straight up in the NFL. He's going to have to be complete so that they never know if he's coming. Good skills seem great when a tackle doesn't know who he's blocking until after the snap. Is he a complete OLB that won't get torched in the pass game? I don't know. It's a hefty price to pay #9 overall for a guy you hope develops. Gholston is the same type of player and he had an awful year. Maybe he turns into a stud though. Just never know. I guess it's just a scary pick for me. I don't know how to project a college DE into an NFL OLB.

[Rastak]

Rick Gosselin's final mock:


1. Detroit Lions:
Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia

Team needs: QB, MLB, TE, DT
Comment: Bobby Layne was a Pro Bowl quarterback the last time the Lions won a championship in 1957. Detroit hasn't had an elite quarterback or won a championship since then. Stafford, a Highland Park product, gives the franchise hope for the future.



2. St. Louis Rams:
Jason Smith, OT, Baylor

Team needs: OT, WR, MLB, QB
Comment: The Rams had the second pick of the 2008 draft and took the safest player on the board in DE Chris Long. St. Louis repeats that philosophy in this draft by taking W.T. White's Smith. The Rams need to replace Pro Bowl LT Orlando Pace.



3. Kansas City Chiefs:
Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU

Team needs: LB, OT, WR, TE
Comment: New GM Scott Pioli is retooling the Chiefs' defense in the image of the 3-4 scheme he left behind in New England. The Patriots love those LSU linemen and so does Pioli. He also sees some Ty Warren in Jackson.



4. Seattle Seahawks:
Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest

Team needs: WR, LB, LT, RB
Comment: The Seahawks finished 30th in defense in the NFL last season. The best player in the draft slides to Seattle at four. Curry also addresses a pressing defensive need: He makes plays on both sides of the line.



5. Cleveland Browns:
Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech

Team needs: WR, Pass rusher, S, OL
Comment: Like Seattle, the Browns benefit from a sliding value. Crabtree, of Carter, has been compared to Larry Fitzgerald. If the Browns trade Braylon Edwards, they would need Crabtree. If they keep Edwards, Crabtree would make him better.



6. Cincinnati Bengals:
Andre Smith, OT, Alabama

Team needs: DT, LB, Pass rusher, OT
Comment: Smith showed up at the combine overweight and then performed poorly at his pro day. All that said, he's still the most talented tackle in the draft. He started as a freshman in the SEC and won the Outland Trophy as a senior.



7. Oakland Raiders:
Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri

Team needs: WR, OT, S, DL
Comment: Tim Brown was a Pro Bowl play-maker for a long time for the Raiders. Maclin is Tim Brown 20 years later. Of the four top wideouts on this draft board, Maclin will have the greatest impact as a rookie because of his return skills.



8. Jacksonville Jaguars:
Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia

Team needs: LT, DT, CB, RB
Comment: The Jaguars are in dire need of a left tackle since Khalif Barnes left in free agency. Monroe would be an upgrade at the position. He won the Jacobs Trophy as the best blocker in the ACC in 2008.



9. Green Bay Packers:
Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State

Team needs: DE, LB, OT, CB
Comment: The Packers have two Pro Bowl-caliber cornerbacks in Al Harris and Charles Woodson, but both are in their 30s. With Detroit expected to draft Stafford, and with Jay Cutler now in the division, Green Bay had better load up on pass defenders.



10. San Francisco 49ers:
Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi

Team needs: OT, DT, pass rusher, WR
Comment: The 49ers ranked 27th in rushing and allowed 55 sacks last season. If San Francisco can't block, it doesn't matter who's at quarterback – Shaun Hill, Alex Smith or Joe Montana. Oher allows the 49ers to move Joe Staley to RT.



11. Buffalo Bills:
Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State

Team needs: LT, pass rusher, S, TE
Comment: Left tackles will have left the board before the Bills could go on the clock. The next priority is upgrading the pass rush. Buffalo mustered only 24 sacks in 2008. Maybin had 12 on his way to Big Ten defensive player of the year.



12. Denver Broncos:
B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College

Team needs: DE, DT, OLB, WR
Comment: New coach Josh McDaniels is overhauling the defense, installing a 3-4 scheme after releasing four starters from a year ago. He needs size, and the best defensive tackle in this draft falls into his lap at 12.



13. Washington Redskins:
Mark Sanchez, QB, USC

Team needs: OL, DL, LB, QB
Comment: After failing to land Jay Cutler, Redskins owner Dan Snyder explored his options all week for possible trade-ups for Sanchez. Jacksonville is a potential partner at 8. Snyder needs a QB to compete in the NFC East.



14. New Orleans Saints:
Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois

Team needs: CB, S, RB, OLB
Comment: The offense is Super Bowl-ready with Drew Brees. But the defense needs lots of help, especially at cornerback. The Saints ranked 23rd in pass defense. Davis gives New Orleans much needed size and ability there.



15. Houston Texans:
Clay Matthews, OLB, USC

Team needs: OLB, CB, pass rusher, RB
Comment: Why not? Bruce Matthews carved out a Hall of Fame career in Houston. There's a positive vibe attached to the Matthews name in Houston. He is the son of Clay and nephew of Bruce Matthews.



16. San Diego Chargers:
Brian Cushing, OLB, USC

Team needs: RB, LB, DE, WR
Comment: Better players equal better defense. The Chargers finished 25th in defense last season. The return of Shawne Merriman and the selection of Cushing would dramatically improve both the linebacking play and the scheme.



17. New York Jets:
Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland

Team needs: TE, QB, WR, OT
Comment: With the departure of Laveranues Coles in free agency, the Jets need speed opposite Jerricho Cotchery. Heyward-Bey is the fastest player in the draft with a 4.25 clocking in the 40.



18. Denver Broncos:
Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas

Team needs: DE, DT, OLB, WR
Comment: Taking B.J. Raji at nose tackle at 12 would give the Broncos a building block in the run defense in the new 3-4 scheme. Orapko would give the Broncos some much-needed pass rush. They managed 26 sacks last year. Orakpo had 12.



19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers:
Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee

Team needs: DE, DT, CB, WR
Comment: New coach Raheem Morris hired Jim Bates to run the defense, and he loves to rotate his ends and tackles. So you need quantity as well as quality up front. The Bucs managed 29 sacks last season.



20. Detroit Lions:
Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State

Team needs: QB, MLB, TE, DT
Comment: QB Matthew Stafford was the first step toward building a playoff-caliber offense in 2010. Pettigrew is the next step. Include WR Calvin Johnson and RB Kevin Smith, and the Lions may actually score some points in 2010.



21. Philadelphia Eagles:
Knowshon Moreno, HB, Georgia

Team needs: DL, OL, TE, RB
Comment: Emmitt Smith gave the Eagles fits in the 1990s in the NFC East. Moreno would give Philadelphia an Emmitt clone to attack the Cowboys. Moreno is the most complete back in this draft – a triple-threat, just like Emmitt.



22. Minnesota Vikings:
Josh Freeman, QB, Kansas State

Team needs: CB, OL, WR, QB
Comment: With Aaron Rodgers emerging in Green Bay, Jay Cutler now in Chicago and Matthew Stafford on his way to Detroit, there's a sense of urgency for the Vikings to find a quarterback. Freeman could be the answer.



23. New England Patriots:
Peria Jerry, DT, Mississippi

Team needs: DT, DE, TE, QB
Comment: Bill Belichick won two Super Bowls as defensive coordinator of the New York Giants and three more as head coach of the Patriots with a dominating defensive front. You can never have enough quality linemen.



24. Atlanta Falcons:
Darius Butler, CB, Connecticut

Team needs: CB, DT, S, TE
Comment: Like NFC South lodge brother New Orleans, Atlanta has an offense that's playoff-ready with Matt Ryan, Michael Turner, Tony Gonzalez and Roddy White. But the defense needs help, and the glass-smooth Butler provides it.



25. Miami Dolphins:
Paul Kruger, DE, Utah

Team needs: CB, WR, OLB, TE
Comment: Elite pass-rushers are few and far between in this draft. Kruger qualifies as elite but is off a few draft boards medically because he has one kidney. One kidney slow down Antonio Rodgers-Cromartie any at Arizona in 2008.



26. Baltimore Ravens:
Rey Maualuga, MLB, USC

Team needs: RT, WR, pass-rusher, CB
Comment: Bart Scott left in free agency, leaving a hole at inside backer alongside Ray Lewis. Over the next two years, Lewis can teach Maualuga the Ravens way, and the legacy of Pro Bowl inside backers in Baltimore would be secure.



27. Indianapolis Colts:
Beanie Wells, HB, Ohio State

Team needs: S, LB, WR, P
Comment: With Dominic Rhodes leaving in free agency, the Colts need a second back to pair with oft-injured Joseph Addai in the rotation. Wells would represent a substantial upgrade with his 5.8-yard career average and 30 TDs.



28. Buffalo Bills:
Max Unger, C, Oregon

Team needs: LT, pass-rusher, S, TE
Comment: Buffalo missed out at left tackle at the top of the draft, but Unger is a nice consolation prize. He's one of the three elite centers in the draft, a Bills weakness in 2008, and also has college experience at left tackle.



29. New York Giants:
Ziggy Hood, DT, Missouri

Team needs: WR, LB, CB, KR
Comment: The most-talented team in the NFC takes the best player available. New York's defensive tackles are stout run players, but Hood would inject a pass-rush threat into the mix, with 14½ career sacks at Missouri.



30. Tennessee Titans:
Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest

Team needs: WR, CB, G, DL
Comment: Smith is the most productive cornerback in this draft but has the worst measurables – he's 5-9 and runs a 4.50 in the 40. The same knocks kept Brandon Flowers out of the first round in 2008, but he made the all-rookie team.



31. Arizona Cardinals:
Donald Brown, HB, Connecticut

Team needs: RB, LB, OL, KR
Comment: The Cardinals reached the Super Bowl but found themselves a running game away from the Lombardi Trophy. Arizona finished last in the NFL in rushing with an aging Edgerrin James. Brown, the NCAA rushing champion, brings fresh legs.



32. Pittsburgh Steelers:
Eric Wood, C, Louisville

Team needs: OL, WR, CB, S
Comment: QB Ben Roethliserger and HB Willie Parker are Pro Bowl play-makers who absorb too much of a beating behind a porous blocking front. Wood started 49 consecutive games at Louisville and can also play guard.



49. Chicago Bears:
Patrick Chung, S, Oregon

Team needs: WR, S, DT, DE
Comment: The Bears and Cowboys share the same shopping list, but Chicago drafts two picks higher than the Cowboys. So the Bears will get first crack at any sliding safety or wide receiver the Cowboys may covet.



51. Dallas Cowboys:
Andy Levitre, G, Oregon State

Team needs: WR, S, OL, LB
Comment: Levitre started three years at left tackle in the Pac-10 but is rated the best guard on the draft board. Some teams project him as a center. That's his value – he can play all five positions across the front.



59. Carolina Panthers:
Lawrence Sidbury, DE, Richmond

Team needs: DT, DE, CB, OL
Comment: With the status of Pro Bowl pass-rusher Julius Peppers in limbo, the Panthers need some insurance at defensive end. Sidbury is the last end on this draft board with any speed – 4.53 in the 40.

[falco]

Right now I am hoping for Tyson or Jenkins.

[Tony Oday]

I am hoping for Oher. Seems like a Packer Person and we need an OT or so.

[falco]

I am hoping for Oher. Seems like a Packer Person and we need an OT or so.

I won't complain about any OT as long at isn't reach.

[pack4to84]

* Gary Myers, New York Daily News: Packers pick: DE Tyson Jackson
* Rick Gosselin, Dallas Morning News: Packers pick: CB Malcolm Jenkins
* Paul Domowitch, Philadelphia Daily News: Packers pick: DE Tyson Jackson
* Mark Craig, Minneapolis Star-Tribune: Packers pick: WR Michael Crabtree
* Danny O'Neil, Seattle Times: Packers pick: OT Eugene Monroe
* Kansas City Star: Packers pick: DE Brian Orakpo
* Denver Post: Packers pick: OLB Everette Brown
* Michael Wright, Florida Times-Union: Packers pick: OT Andre Smith
* Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: Packers pick: DE Tyson Jackson
* Tony Grossi, Cleveland Plain Dealer: Packers pick: LB Aaron Curry
* Ken Murray, Baltimore Sun: Packers pick: DE Brian Orapko
* Mike Reiss, Boston Globe: Packers pick: CB Malcolm Jenkins
* David Scott, Charlotte Observer: Packers pick: DT B.J. Raji

[CaliforniaCheez]

It doesn't start for a couple of hours and a long time until the Packers are on the clock.

You guys are going to have 20 pages of nothing until this gets going.

You will have to start a new thread once the draft actually begins.

It is just nervous chatter. Just calm down be quiet and let it unfold.

Ted has done his homework and has possible trades loaded and waiting for the trigger pull to be agreed upon.

Whether you like it or not Ted will do what he thinks is best and there is nothing you can do about it.

Hold your water grab a cup of coffee and relax for a couple of hours or better yet do something productive. There will be plenty of time to talk between picks.

[falco]

It doesn't start for a couple of hours and a long time until the Packers are on the clock.

You guys are going to have 20 pages of nothing until this gets going.

You will have to start a new thread once the draft actually begins.

It is just nervous chatter. Just calm down be quiet and let it unfold.

Ted has done his homework and has possible trades loaded and waiting for the trigger pull to be agreed upon.

Whether you like it or not Ted will do what he thinks is best and there is nothing you can do about it.

Hold your water grab a cup of coffee and relax for a couple of hours or better yet do something productive. There will be plenty of time to talk between picks.

:roll:

follow your own advice

[cpk1994]

It doesn't start for a couple of hours and a long time until the Packers are on the clock.

You guys are going to have 20 pages of nothing until this gets going.

You will have to start a new thread once the draft actually begins.

It is just nervous chatter. Just calm down be quiet and let it unfold.

Ted has done his homework and has possible trades loaded and waiting for the trigger pull to be agreed upon.

Whether you like it or not Ted will do what he thinks is best and there is nothing you can do about it.

Hold your water grab a cup of coffee and relax for a couple of hours or better yet do something productive. There will be plenty of time to talk between picks.

:roll:

follow your own adviceNo kidding. ALso, water or coffee? Beer will do a better job. However, it might raise the level of obnoxiousness in here.

[pbmax]

Rick Gosselin's final mock:


1. Detroit Lions:
Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia

Team needs: QB, MLB, TE, DT
Comment: Bobby Layne was a Pro Bowl quarterback the last time the Lions won a championship in 1957. Detroit hasn't had an elite quarterback or won a championship since then. Stafford, a Highland Park product, gives the franchise hope for the future....


All of these picks look familiar :shock:

[Rastak]

It doesn't start for a couple of hours and a long time until the Packers are on the clock.

You guys are going to have 20 pages of nothing until this gets going.

You will have to start a new thread once the draft actually begins.

It is just nervous chatter. Just calm down be quiet and let it unfold.

Ted has done his homework and has possible trades loaded and waiting for the trigger pull to be agreed upon.

Whether you like it or not Ted will do what he thinks is best and there is nothing you can do about it.

Hold your water grab a cup of coffee and relax for a couple of hours or better yet do something productive. There will be plenty of time to talk between picks.

:roll:

follow your own adviceNo kidding. ALso, water or coffee? Beer will do a better job. However, it might raise the level of obnoxiousness in here.


Beer and steakburger to go run scheduled for 1:30 CT

[cpk1994]

It doesn't start for a couple of hours and a long time until the Packers are on the clock.

You guys are going to have 20 pages of nothing until this gets going.

You will have to start a new thread once the draft actually begins.

It is just nervous chatter. Just calm down be quiet and let it unfold.

Ted has done his homework and has possible trades loaded and waiting for the trigger pull to be agreed upon.

Whether you like it or not Ted will do what he thinks is best and there is nothing you can do about it.

Hold your water grab a cup of coffee and relax for a couple of hours or better yet do something productive. There will be plenty of time to talk between picks.

:roll:

follow your own adviceNo kidding. ALso, water or coffee? Beer will do a better job. However, it might raise the level of obnoxiousness in here.


Beer and steakburger to go run scheduled for 1:30 CTIm prepping the grill for brats. Got the beer and am stocking the mini fridge next to the couch. Have dual monitors set up, one will stream the NFL Network and the other has Pakerrats.

[Rastak]

It doesn't start for a couple of hours and a long time until the Packers are on the clock.

You guys are going to have 20 pages of nothing until this gets going.

You will have to start a new thread once the draft actually begins.

It is just nervous chatter. Just calm down be quiet and let it unfold.

Ted has done his homework and has possible trades loaded and waiting for the trigger pull to be agreed upon.

Whether you like it or not Ted will do what he thinks is best and there is nothing you can do about it.

Hold your water grab a cup of coffee and relax for a couple of hours or better yet do something productive. There will be plenty of time to talk between picks.

:roll:

follow your own adviceNo kidding. ALso, water or coffee? Beer will do a better job. However, it might raise the level of obnoxiousness in here.


Beer and steakburger to go run scheduled for 1:30 CTIm prepping the grill for brats. Got the beer and am stocking the mini fridge next to the couch. Have dual monitors set up, one will stream the NFL Network and the other has Pakerrats.

Not a bad idea. I'm going to setup a table by the bigscreen and then setup my Samsung 22" monitor to connect to the laptop.

The rastak war room is almost ready.

[HarveyWallbangers]

All of these picks look familiar :shock:

I noticed that this morning when I was comparing my picks to Gosselin's picks. Gosselin's picks were eerily similar to some fool on this site.
:D

[swede]

Happy draft day!

After weighing all the options I'm hoping for Knowshon Moreno.

Good grind-it-out running backs are important if you want to keep the opposing defense honest and win the Time of Possession stat. A solid jump up in the running game could be really big for us this season.

Mayock has Moreno as the fourth best football player on his list of top 100 players.

[Fritz]

Funny enough...ESPN 2 has Kiper's top ten list of "Best Available" and has Matthew Stafford listed third, I think.

Uh, Mel, he's not available any more. Take him off there.

[swede]

Funny enough...ESPN 2 has Kiper's top ten list of "Best Available" and has Matthew Stafford listed third, I think.

Uh, Mel, he's not available any more. Take him off there.

How dare you argue with Mel? The guy is an EXPERT.

[red]

jets trying like hell to move up to #2 to take sanchez

says mayock

[Partial]

Damn, where is everyone projecting Sanchez to go?

[red]

alot of people are thinking #2

looks like st. louis buying him a plane ticket might have made the jets bite

detroit is now also trying to move up to #3. so far they've offered they're other 1st round pick and their send.

but were rejected

maybe curry or a tackle. i think the lions have lost it completely

[Partial]

Maybe Detroit wants Sanchez and Stafford. New approach to the wildcat.

They just snap it to one or the other and chuck it as far as they can for 6'6" 4.3 Calvin to go and get it.

[red]

PFT just edited the thing about the lions trying to move back up

they now say it was the chiefs that called the lions and offered #3 for the lions #20 and their second rounder

the chiefs were willing to give up a ton off points to move down

[red]

seems like maybe the chiefs don't think that the 3-4 de that they want is worth the massive amount of money that the #3 pick will get

[Partial]

CRABTREE
CRABTREE
CRABTREE
CRABTREE :!: :!: :!:

BMac as usual you and I are on the same page! I will be happy as a clam if Crabtree takes the fateful fall.

Time to make a quick run to my apartment for another load of stuff (I'm moving). Then I'll be back here to join you guys in the fun.

The biggest day in PR history was when we had the #5 pick. I suspect we crush that number of active users today.

[Fosco33]

MJS reports the Packers have no intention of signing Mark Tauscher.

[Partial]

MJS reports the Packers have no intention of signing Mark Tauscher.

Man, that's sad. Guy has been a good wisconsin'er for years.

[gbpackfan]

Do you think the Lions will milk out the 10 minutes?

[gbpackfan]

MJS reports the Packers have no intention of signing Mark Tauscher.

Man, that's sad. Guy has been a good wisconsin'er for years.

Yeah, he always got a huge pop coming out of the tunnel at Lambeau. Watch him rehab and end up with the Vikings. They need a RT. Yikes!

[Gunakor]

MJS reports the Packers have no intention of signing Mark Tauscher.

Man, that's sad. Guy has been a good wisconsin'er for years.

Sad to see him go, but not surprising in the least.

[Rastak]

What shade of lipstick is Stafford wearing......Yikes.....

[cpk1994]

NFL Network stream is up.

[Fritz]

What shade of lipstick is Stafford wearing......Yikes.....

If you can predict bust just based on what a guy looks like and what he's wearing, then Stafford will be a bust!

[Badgerinmaine]

MJS reports the Packers have no intention of signing Mark Tauscher.

Man, that's sad. Guy has been a good wisconsin'er for years.

Sad to see him go, but not surprising in the least.
Sadly, I have to agree. Tauscher's been wearing out the last few years. If we never got rid of a good Cheesehead, Jerry Tagge would still be taking snaps from Ken Bowman. 8-)

[Badgerinmaine]

CRABTREE
CRABTREE
CRABTREE
CRABTREE :!: :!: :!:

BMac as usual you and I are on the same page! I will be happy as a clam if Crabtree takes the fateful fall.

Time to make a quick run to my apartment for another load of stuff (I'm moving). Then I'll be back here to join you guys in the fun.

The biggest day in PR history was when we had the #5 pick. I suspect we crush that number of active users today.
If you take Crabtree, are you giving up on re-signing Greg Jennings when the time comes?

[Rastak]

CRABTREE
CRABTREE
CRABTREE
CRABTREE :!: :!: :!:

BMac as usual you and I are on the same page! I will be happy as a clam if Crabtree takes the fateful fall.

Time to make a quick run to my apartment for another load of stuff (I'm moving). Then I'll be back here to join you guys in the fun.

The biggest day in PR history was when we had the #5 pick. I suspect we crush that number of active users today.
If you take Crabtree, are you giving up on re-signing Greg Jennings when the time comes?

They can't do that......they gotta sign that guy.

[steve823]

Man Im pumped...been waiting for this ever since the season ended....20 more minutes. Ill be happy with a dlinemen, ot, or curry..maybe even jenkins.

If we get crabtree im gunna kill myself

[Badgerinmaine]

All five of the mock drafters on CBS Sportsline think the Packers will take a lineman first:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock
Two of them having Green Bay pass on Crabtree and having him taken by the 49ers instead.

[Badgerinmaine]

CRABTREE
CRABTREE
CRABTREE
CRABTREE :!: :!: :!:

BMac as usual you and I are on the same page! I will be happy as a clam if Crabtree takes the fateful fall.

Time to make a quick run to my apartment for another load of stuff (I'm moving). Then I'll be back here to join you guys in the fun.

The biggest day in PR history was when we had the #5 pick. I suspect we crush that number of active users today.
If you take Crabtree, are you giving up on re-signing Greg Jennings when the time comes?

They can't do that......they gotta sign that guy.
I agree with you--and that's why I just can't see shelling out this much of the team salary on two wideouts.

[swede]

I don't know how you pass on Crabtree without trading down...SOMEBODY has to be buying Crabs.

[Fritz]

Okay, my Packer brethren, sadly, I have two events to attend and cannot skip. So I will be with you all in spirit - it's nice to see the board here coming together, all in hopes of seeing our beloved team improve.

My good friend here in southeast Michigan is from Wisconsin and the evening's event is at his place, so he promises to have the draft on television. I think it could turn into a draft party and some folks there might not be too happy...oh well.

Go, Pack, Go!!!

[wist43]

Lot of man love on 620 for Andre Smith...

Would absolutely hate that pick... so, that will probably be the pick, lol :lol:

[cpk1994]

Dieon Sanders booed out of the building. Hilarious.

[TheCheese]

Little bit longer.

[TheCheese]

I hope we don't get Crabtree.

[Gunakor]

Lot of man love on 620 for Andre Smith...

Would absolutely hate that pick... so, that will probably be the pick, lol :lol:

I hate it at #9, but he's gonna be a pretty good RT in this league.

[pack4to84]

direct link to nfln live stream
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/live/app

[Rastak]

I'm looking for either Percy harvin or Phil Loadholt for the Vikes in round 1.

I don't think Loadholt will be there in round 2.....I'm guessing Harvin won't be there at 22 either.

[pack4to84]

TT on 620 right now
listen to 620tmj
http://www.620wtmj.com/home/ondemand/7442381.html

[Rastak]

Look at all the new millionaires.....

[gbpackfan]

Who put PrimeTime in charge of the intros???? He is bombing.

STAFFORD JUST GOT BOOED HARD. Ha ha ha ha.

[Badgerinmaine]

I'm looking for either Percy harvin or Phil Loadholt for the Vikes in round 1.

I don't think Loadholt will be there in round 2.....I'm guessing Harvin won't be there at 22 either.
Ras, if it makes you feel better, three of the five mock pickers I just cited on CBS have the Vikings getting one or the other. None of the five have either gone when Minnesota picks.

[Rastak]

I'm looking for either Percy harvin or Phil Loadholt for the Vikes in round 1.

I don't think Loadholt will be there in round 2.....I'm guessing Harvin won't be there at 22 either.
Ras, if it makes you feel better, three of the five mock pickers I just cited on CBS have the Vikings getting one or the other. None of the five have either gone when Minnesota picks.


I like Loadhold better than Britton, but truth is either would be ok. Loadholt is a massive dude and having Peterson run behind him would put the kick in the "kick ass offense".

[pack4to84]

Funny listening to 620tmj TT not giving any inside info. They keep asking questions he keeps dodging them

[gbpackfan]

Ras,

I think Harvin will be there at 22. He has been moving up the charts the past couple of days but I think you'll be okay.

[gbpackfan]

Funny listening to 620tmj TT not giving any inside info. They keep asking questions he keeps dodging them


Never has a man talked so much yet said absolutely nothing!

[Rastak]

Ras,

I think Harvin will be there at 22. He has been moving up the charts the past couple of days but I think you'll be okay.


It's kind of a risky pick but I've heard fantastic things about him. I'd take him if it were me choosing and he were available.

[Badgerinmaine]

Funny listening to 620tmj TT not giving any inside info. They keep asking questions he keeps dodging them
I'm all for being cooperative with the media, but I wouldn't do anything to tip my hand at all if I were him, either.

[Partial]

Harvin on the Vikings is something I don't look forward to as a Packer fan.

[Badgerinmaine]

Harvin on the Vikings is something I don't look forward to as a Packer fan.
I wouldn't, either, if I thought they had someone who could consistently get him the ball.

[TheCheese]

mayock has us taking monroe. that would be awesome value.

[Rastak]

Harvin on the Vikings is something I don't look forward to as a Packer fan.
I wouldn't, either, if I thought they had someone who could consistently get him the ball.


He's the kind you can dump it off to and he's gone. Even T Jack can do that! (Barely).

[gbpackfan]

Could Harvin break the Florida WR curse?

I would rather they pick him then a great RT. Loadholt is a monster!

[Badgerinmaine]

mayock has us taking monroe. that would be awesome value.
I'd like that, too, but something tells me he will not last that long.

[gbpackfan]

If that is Stafford's girl next to him she is in for a rude awakening. Not hot enough to keep him now. So much trim is going to be coming his way!

[Rastak]

Could Harvin break the Florida WR curse?

I would rather they pick him then a great RT. Loadholt is a monster!


No shit, he's a big dude.....



Okay Lads! We're off!

[gbpackfan]

mayock has us taking monroe. that would be awesome value.
I'd like that, too, but something tells me he will not last that long.

I have read a lot of about the OT in this draft. I have also watched a lot of highlight tapes, NFL network stuff and all the video available. Monroe is THE BEST T in the draft. No doubt. If the Packers get him, it will be a miracle.

[Gunakor]

mayock has us taking monroe. that would be awesome value.
I'd like that, too, but something tells me he will not last that long.

If Sanchez goes #2, and Jackson goes #3...

It's entirely possible. I figured J. Smith would be gone at #2, but the Rams seem pretty damn interested in Sanchez. The entire OT order drops down then, so instead of Oher or A. Smith now there's Monroe for us. Awesome if it happens, he's one I would love to take at #9.

[Rastak]

mayock has us taking monroe. that would be awesome value.
I'd like that, too, but something tells me he will not last that long.

If Sanchez goes #2, and Jackson goes #3...

It's entirely possible. I figured J. Smith would be gone at #2, but the Rams seem pretty damn interested in Sanchez. The entire OT order drops down then, so instead of Oher or A. Smith now there's Monroe for us. Awesome if it happens, he's one I would love to take at #9.


One of those OT's took a call, I think the Rams are going OT.

[wist43]

Remember now kids...

The goal is depth... no starters allowed :D

[red]

just spit out the picks asshole

[Rastak]

What a surpirse! Stafford!

[red]

and detroit fans booo

love it

[Gunakor]

Remember now kids...

The goal is depth... no starters allowed :D

Any OT would almost certainly be the starter at RT.

If its not an OT or Tyson Jackson then they probably won't be a starter.

[gbpackfan]

Remember now kids...

The goal is depth... no starters allowed :D

bwahahahahahaha. That made me laugh out loud!

[cpk1994]

Remember now kids...

The goal is depth... no starters allowed :DANd if you have Wist in the "Debbie Downer" first negative post pool, step up and collcet your prize. :lol:

[Rastak]

Stafford:

Overall Football Traits
Production 2 Finished 6-2 as a true freshman starter in 2006. Started 34 games in three seasons at Georgia. As a junior in 2008, completed 61.4-percent of his throws for 3,459 yards with 25 TDs and 10 INTs. Finished career completing 57.1-percent of his attempts for 7,731 yards with 51 TDs and 33 INTs.

Height-Weight-Speed 2 Only adequate height with a thick build. Needs to continue to tone his body and get stronger. Possesses good straight-line speed for the position, though.
Durability 1 Has been extremely durable throughout his career. Never missed a start due to injury and has played through some nagging nicks and bruises.

Character 2 Hard worker with solid leadership skills. No off the field issues. Scouts have some concerns about his focus. However, his passion for the game and commitment to succeeding is obvious.

Quarterback specific Traits

Game Management 3 Has good starting experience for an early entry quarterback, especially considering it comes from the SEC. He is tough. Will stand in the pocket and take a hit. Appears to be a solid leader and competitor. However, still has yet to prove his ability to perform in the clutch. Also has yet to learn the true value of ball control. Forces too many throws and tends to trust his arm too much. Has had some trouble with center-quarterback exchanges (two fumbles in '08 CMU game alone). Appears to lose focus from time to time.

Accuracy 2 He is an accurate passer with rare potential if he masters his footwork. When he sets his feet, drives off his back leg and follows through; his accuracy is excellent. He does a fine job of squaring his shoulders and throwing accurately on the run. He also flashes the ability to throw the deep ball with very good touch. But he must learn to take some MPH's off his fastball on underneath throws. His footwork remains inconsistent, as well. He will rely too much on his arm at times, which is when he gets sloppy with his mechanics. This leads to him sailing some throws.

Release 2 Displays an over-the-top delivery. Rarely has a batted down pass, despite only adequate height. Overall he gets the ball out with adequate-to-good quickness. Only complaint here is that he hasn't learned to shorten his delivery on quick-hitting throws, such as screens, quick slants, dump-offs to RB's, etc. Underneath finesse throws need to be made with more efficiency.

Arm Strength 1 Possesses exceptional arm strength. Can make all the NFL throws and more. Excellent zip on deep outs. Can throw with elite velocity while on the run  particularly when rolling out to his right. He fits the ball into more tight spots than most starting quarterbacks in the NFL right now.

Mobility 2 Much better athlete than anticipated. We were really surprised by his foot quickness and scrambling ability when studying him on film. He does an adequate job of avoiding the rush. Will buy extra time with his feet. Is capable of tucking the ball and running for the first down. We did notice, however, that the vast majority of his scrambles are to the right side, where he is far more comfortable throwing on the run. He does a fine job of squaring his shoulders and throwing with velocity/accuracy while on the move.

[wist43]

Remember now kids...

The goal is depth... no starters allowed :DANd if you have Wist in the "Debbie Downer" first negative post pool, step up and collcet your prize. :lol:

Cool... Im a winner :D

What did I win??? :thank:

[MJZiggy]

Who did Gruden's hair? It's like everyone there today is a Kiper wannabe.

[wist43]

Remember now kids...

The goal is depth... no starters allowed :DANd if you have Wist in the "Debbie Downer" first negative post pool, step up and collcet your prize. :lol:

Although, I've had bad luck with chicks named Debbie... lol :D

[swede]

Remember now kids...

The goal is depth... no starters allowed :DANd if you have Wist in the "Debbie Downer" first negative post pool, step up and collcet your prize. :lol:

Although, I've had bad luck with chicks named Debbie... lol :D
Were you the only one in Dallas not to get done?

[Fosco33]

Twitter/tweeting is going mainstream. Kinda fun to hear what Nick Barnett is saying.

[red]

i think i'm going to go on a shooting spree if i hear one more asshole say the words twiter, or tweet

[Bretsky]

CRABTREE
CRABTREE
CRABTREE
CRABTREE :!: :!: :!:

BMac as usual you and I are on the same page! I will be happy as a clam if Crabtree takes the fateful fall.

Time to make a quick run to my apartment for another load of stuff (I'm moving). Then I'll be back here to join you guys in the fun.

The biggest day in PR history was when we had the #5 pick. I suspect we crush that number of active users today.
If you take Crabtree, are you giving up on re-signing Greg Jennings when the time comes?


no way; you sign Jennings and watch the most prolific 1/2 due for the next ten years :!:

[Rastak]

Remember now kids...

The goal is depth... no starters allowed :DANd if you have Wist in the "Debbie Downer" first negative post pool, step up and collcet your prize. :lol:

Although, I've had bad luck with chicks named Debbie... lol :D
Were you the only one in Dallas not to get done?


Oh, he probably got "done" by one....... :wink:

[gbpackfan]

i think i'm going to go on a shooting spree if i hear one more asshole say the words twiter, or tweet


"tweet" :shock:

[wist43]

Remember now kids...

The goal is depth... no starters allowed :DANd if you have Wist in the "Debbie Downer" first negative post pool, step up and collcet your prize. :lol:

Although, I've had bad luck with chicks named Debbie... lol :D
Were you the only one in Dallas not to get done?


Oh, he probably got "done" by one....... :wink:

Define "done" :lol:

[Fosco33]

i think i'm going to go on a shooting spree if i hear one more asshole say the words twiter, or tweet

haha - add facebook to the rampage list

[pack4to84]

Sanchez looked happy after that call

[retailguy]

i think i'm going to go on a shooting spree if i hear one more asshole say the words twiter, or tweet


eeyore? :shock: :wink:

[cpk1994]

Remember now kids...

The goal is depth... no starters allowed :DANd if you have Wist in the "Debbie Downer" first negative post pool, step up and collcet your prize. :lol:

Although, I've had bad luck with chicks named Debbie... lol :D
Were you the only one in Dallas not to get done?


Oh, he probably got "done" by one....... :wink:

Define "done" :lol:Good lord, what have I started? I apologize to the sensitive readers of this forum who have virgin eyes. :D

[Rastak]

Rams passed?

[Badgerinmaine]

Remember now kids...

The goal is depth... no starters allowed :DANd if you have Wist in the "Debbie Downer" first negative post pool, step up and collcet your prize. :lol:

Although, I've had bad luck with chicks named Debbie... lol :D
Were you the only one in Dallas not to get done?


Oh, he probably got "done" by one....... :wink:

Define "done" :lol:
Adds new meaning to the phrase "one and done". :twisted:

[Partial]

I wouldn't be surprised if they is Crabtree.

[Rastak]

Okay, Rams take......

Jason Smith

Good pick.

[Badgerinmaine]

Rams passed?
Yeah, why do I see the Chiefs being on the clock?

[red]

well that was boring

[Fosco33]

Ha - Rich was right.

Barnett was talking with Stephen Jackson (Rams, NB thought a.curry).

[wist43]

Yes, good pick...

[Rastak]

Jason Smith:

Overall Football Traits

Production 2 2004: Baylor red-shirts Smith. 2005: Appeared in all 10 games (eight starts) at tight end, recording six catches for 70 yards and a touchdown. 2006-07: Moves to left tackle and starts 19 games in two seasons. 2008: Starts all 12 games at left tackle and was the first Baylor player in more than two decades to earn All-American honors.
Height-Weight-Speed 2 Possesses adequate-to-good height and bulk for an OT. Still has room on his frame to get bigger. He also shows above average top-end speed for position.

Durability 3 Missed five games with an MCL injury in 2007 but returned to start every game in 2008.

Character 2 Excellent work ethic. Team player. No off-the-field issues to our knowledge.


Offensive Tackle specific Traits

Strength/Toughness 2 A tough, aggressive finisher. Gives excellent effort and will play to the echo of the whistle. Displays powerful punch and a strong upper body. Adequate lower-body strength but has room to improve in this department.

Agility 2 Displays excellent initial quickness. Rare mobility for the position as a space blocker (see his range in fist quarter vs. Oklahoma in 2008, when he gets out to the left sideline on a 2nd-and-5 screen pass). Covers lots of ground when working as a second-level run blocker, as well. Only minor concern here is that he shows a tiny bit of stiffness when moving laterally, but he's still above average in that area.

Awareness 2 Continues to improve with more experience at the OT position. He recognizes and reacts to pressure quickly. Shows ability to recover when caught out of position.

Pass Protection 1 Excellent feet to set the edge. Gets set in a hurry and with balance. Can mirror and slide with most edge rushers. Uses long arms and strong punch to keep rushers at bay. Gets caught on his heels at times and will struggle to hold ground versus powerful bull rusher on those occasions.

Run Blocking 3 Is feisty and tough. Has the feet to establish positioning more often than most. Uses long arms and strength to cut off defenders. Works hard to sustain. However, his technique needs work, as he comes from a spread offensive system in college where he primarily used a two-point stance. He stands up too much and struggles to root defenders off the ball when they are able to get under his pads.

[Partial]

Most interesting pick of the draft right here... Who are you guys thinking goes to KC?

[Bretsky]

no surprise here

IMO the Packers are going to end up with A Smith, M Crabtree, or BJ Raji

likely one of those three fall

I too would be elated with Monroe

[Bretsky]

Most interesting pick of the draft right here... Who are you guys thinking goes to KC?


They would be smart to take Crabtree

I still think they go Curry

[Partial]

I have a hunch KC trades this pick. If they're willing to take such poor value in exchange for the pick from the Lions, they clearly aren't interested in picking here.

I have a hunch they trade with NY.

Otherwise, I think they'll go OT to please the fans after trading for Cassell.

[Rastak]

Most interesting pick of the draft right here... Who are you guys thinking goes to KC?



Tyson Jackson? Maybin?

[wist43]

no surprise here

IMO the Packers are going to end up with A Smith, M Crabtree, or BJ Raji

likely one of those three fall

I too would be elated with Monroe

Would love Raji or Monroe... okay with Crabtree.

That's why I'm sure TT doesn't know any of those guys are alive, and he of the big tits will be the pick... :rs:

[red]

this is a very odd draft, it seems like nobody has a clue where anyone is going

[Jim Rome]

Jim Rome, " You gotta go Curry, he is a Stud, an absolute stud, I am gonna send some jungle karma towards this guy. "

[Rastak]

this is a very odd draft, it seems like nobody has a clue where anyone is going


That's very true.....very hard to say.

[Bretsky]

Most interesting pick of the draft right here... Who are you guys thinking goes to KC?



Tyson Jackson? Maybin?



Maybin at 3 ? He has some developing to do. They'd love to trade this buzzer; they are trying to shop it for Sanchez.

[retailguy]

no surprise here

IMO the Packers are going to end up with A Smith, M Crabtree, or BJ Raji

likely one of those three fall

I too would be elated with Monroe

I think they trade down.

[Bretsky]

no surprise here

IMO the Packers are going to end up with A Smith, M Crabtree, or BJ Raji

likely one of those three fall

I too would be elated with Monroe

I think they trade down.


If Crabtree or Monroe are gone, IMO they should trade down

[Partial]

B, would you be cool with Curry if he falls? I'm not sure how he fits. If he did fall, I'd be okay with him if the played him inside and Hawk outside, perhaps?

[Bretsky]

Jim Rome, " You gotta go Curry, he is a Stud, an absolute stud, I am gonna send some jungle karma towards this guy. "


jim rome; awesome name


WELCOME TO PR !!!!

[retailguy]

no surprise here

IMO the Packers are going to end up with A Smith, M Crabtree, or BJ Raji

likely one of those three fall

I too would be elated with Monroe

I think they trade down.


If Crabtree or Monroe are gone, IMO they should trade down

I think Crabtree goes to the Bengals, in a surprise.

[Fosco33]

I hope Jackson is there at 9

[red]

come on, take curry

[Bretsky]

B, would you be cool with Curry if he falls? I'm not sure how he fits. If he did fall, I'd be okay with him if the played him inside and Hawk outside, perhaps?


Absolutely fine with Curry; he's too good of a player. Be shocked if he's there at 9 though.

Curry, Monroe, Smith, and Crabtree. Those were really the guys I'd have been elated with

[swede]

Are teams getting ten or fifteen minutes in the first round this year?

[Jim Rome]

Jim Rome, " You gotta go Curry, he is a Stud, an absolute stud, I am gonna send some jungle karma towards this guy. "


jim rome; awesome name


WELCOME TO PR !!!!

Jim Rome, "Like, thank my parents."

[Rastak]

Are teams getting ten or fifteen minutes in the first round this year?


10.

[cpk1994]

Are teams getting ten or fifteen minutes in the first round this year?10 minutes just like last year.

[red]

I hope Jackson is there at 9

kc looks like the only team that could take him from us, unless someone moves up

but it sounds like no one wants to be in the top 10

[Partial]

B, would you be cool with Curry if he falls? I'm not sure how he fits. If he did fall, I'd be okay with him if the played him inside and Hawk outside, perhaps?


Absolutely fine with Curry; he's too good of a player. Be shocked if he's there at 9 though.

Curry, Monroe, Smith, and Crabtree. Those were really the guys I'd have been elated with

Where do you play Curry if he is there for the Pack. This topic really hasn't been discussed at all. Like you, I think he's gotta be a special talent. However, he doesn't really fit in the 3-4 from what I'm reading and he is expected to play SLB in a 4-3. Awfully high to pick a guy to cover a TE, ya know?

[Brando19]

Are teams getting ten or fifteen minutes in the first round this year?

10

[Bretsky]

I hope Jackson is there at 9


Unless KC takes him, I'm not sure any teams falling in love with him in considering their needs

[TheCheese]

No phone to curry could be jackson here.

[pack4to84]

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draftCast/index
vote for chiefs pick

[Brando19]

KC Picks Tyson Jackson!

[red]

SHIT

[Partial]

30 mil guaranteed for a rookie 3-4 end. Wow!

[Fosco33]

I hope Jackson is there at 9

kc looks like the only team that could take him from us, unless someone moves up

but it sounds like no one wants to be in the top 10

Doh

[TheCheese]

Yup there it is.

[cpk1994]

Shit.

[Rastak]

KC takes Tyson Jackson.....


That works.....probably the best DE for 3-4.

[red]

30 mil guaranteed for a rookie 3-4 end. Wow!

that is the main reason why i thought he would be there for us

thats a lot for a 3-4 DE

[Bretsky]

I hope Jackson is there at 9


Unless KC takes him, I'm not sure any teams falling in love with him in considering their needs


wow; Tyson Jackson moves up to #3

It's clear to me Waldo is a KC Scout :lol: j/k

[retailguy]

SHIT

We're trading down, don't worry. :D

[gbpackfan]

Wow, very high for him!

Seattle will jump all over Curry!

[Rastak]

Tyson Jackson - they have him as elite against the run.



Overall Football Traits

Production 2 2004: Redshirts. 2005: Plays in 12 of 13 games as a reserve. 2006: Takes over as a fulltime starter and finishes with 37 total tackles, 10 TFL and 8.5 sacks in 13 games. 2007: Starts all 14 games and finishes with 36 total tackles, 3.5 sacks, 10 PBUs and 15 QBHs. 2008: Jackson starts all 13 games and registers 36 tackles, 10.5 TFL, 4.5 sacks, four PBUs, seven QBH and one fumble recovery. Earns second-team All-SEC honors.

Height-Weight-Speed 3 Excellent all-around size. Is tall and well-proportioned. Top-line speed is adequate for his size.
Durability 1 Has played in 53 games at LSU (2005-'08), including 40 consecutive starts to finish his career.
Character 2 Needs to show a more consistent motor on the field. However, he does not have any off-the-field incidents to our knowledge and he was considered by the coaches to be one of the core leaders on LSU's football team.

Defensive End specific Traits

Agility/Quickness 3 Moves well for his size and plays under control. However, he is not your typical college defensive end. He is a five-technique prospect with only adequate top-end speed for his size. Does not show a quick first step and is not a threat to bend the corner as a perimeter pass rusher. He is not a quick-twitch athlete and loses too much in transition when changing directions.

Strength/Toughness 2 He flashes a mean streak but would like to see him play with more consistent effort. Otherwise, his game is built around size, strength and power. There are not many DE's coming out of college with his phone booth skills. Naturally strong and can become even stronger if he focuses on improving his lower body in the weight room at the next level.

Instincts 2 Displays good overall awareness and recognition skills. Finds the ball quickly and also plays with discipline. Gets his arms up as a pass rusher and bats down more throws than most DE's.

Pass Rusher 4 Can win some battles with power moves. Shows the ability to drive OT's back into the QB. Has some strong upper-body moves to get an OT off-balance, but lacks closing burst to consistently take advantage. Will never be a threat to turn the corner with pure speed off the edge in the NFL. Will always be a better run-plugger than pass rusher.

Run Stopper 1 Is an outstanding run defender. Big-bodied DE with a wide base, long arms and big hands. Can stack and shed. Powerful hitter with adequate wrap-up skills in space, especially for such a big D-lineman.

[Fosco33]

SHIT

We're trading down, don't worry. :D
I think if Crab is gone - we move down (seems Jets want to be in top 10).

[wist43]

Wow... #3???

Wow :huh:

[Partial]

If Curry is there for the Pack, do you think he lines up at LOLB and Kampman lines up on the ROLB spot? That is a possibility.

I think he's going to fall unless Cinci loves him.

I think Crabtree is about to get picked here by Seattle. That would be the smart pick imo.

[Rastak]

Hawks take Sanchez or Crabtree?

Curry?
Hell, Monroe would be a good pick.

[red]

well, theres the shock of the draft

up till 2 weeks ago most thought he was no better then #20, then some started talking that we might take him all the way at 9. then he goes #3 overall

thats a nice late surge

[Bretsky]

nfl network or espn

I can't figure out which one I want to watch

NFL network has smarter coverage but the ESPN yahoos are more entertaining

And I think I can listen to Packer coverage live at 620wtmj.com as well

[Packnut]

Well, that blows my whole day! I was really hoping for Jackson. I guess the Chiefs saw the same things I did. Jackson will be a very good 3-4 DE.

[red]

SHIT

We're trading down, don't worry. :D
I think if Crab is gone - we move down (seems Jets want to be in top 10).

jets want sanchez, nothing more