The official 2009 Day Two DRAFT thread

[Rastak]

50 minutes and counting........

[packrulz]

Good Morning Rastak, are there any rumors that the Vikings will be using any "Wildcat" formations now that they drafted Percy Harvin? Here's an analysis of the first round: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80ffc3be&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true&icampaign=TW_%20Day1

[Joemailman]

Still some very interesting players out there , especially at OT, OLB/DE and TE.

Ras, doesn't the draft start at 10:00?

[Rastak]

Good Morning Rastak, are there any rumors that the Vikings will be using any "Wildcat" formations now that they drafted Percy Harvin? Here's an analysis of the first round: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80ffc3be&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true&icampaign=TW_%20Day1

I would think Harvin would be perfect for that....but Chilly isn't that creative.

[Rastak]

Still some very interesting players out there , especially at OT, OLB/DE and TE.

Ras, doesn't the draft start at 10:00?


Yea, I thought it was 9 ET.....guess not!


Yea, it's 10 ET......so about an hour to go......

[Joemailman]

Where are all the Badger fans who should be clamoring for the Pack to take a Badger today. Beckum abd Shaighnessy still out there...

[Rastak]

I am hoping for a couple different guys for the Vikings in round 3....


DJ Moore CB or Jerron Gilbert DT


Both will likely be gone.

[Joemailman]

Gilbert, Sidbury and Michael Johnson are all still available at DE. All should go in Round 3.

[packrulz]

The Packers need a punter bad, last year was awful. I like the guy from SMU: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/thomas-morstead?id=71407

This DT is a bit of a project but might be worth a 4th or 5th round pick, Tyson Jackson's teammate: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/ricky-jean-francois?id=79583#profiles-tabs:players-overview

[jmbarnes101]

I posted this in another thread but here's who I wouldn't mind seeing today.

Tony Fiammetta - FB Syracuse
Graham Gano - K Florida State and switch him to punter or another P
Michael Johnson - DE Georgia Tech (Bengals)
D.J. Moore - CB Vanderbilt
Kraig Urbik - G Wisconsin
Jamon Meredith - T South Carolina
Everette Pedescleaux - DT Northern Iowa
The Badgers (Beckum, Kemp, Shaughnessy (Raiders), Casillas, Levy, Pressley)

[Rastak]

Wow, this kicks ass.....I didn't know I could stream NFL Radio as an XM subscriber!


Pat Kirwin and Gil Brandt will be doing analysis on day two.....that's gonna kick ass indeed!

[cpk1994]

Hungover but lets do this.

[Rastak]

Lions on the clock shortly........

[Rastak]

Lions trade down, Jets on the clock.....


Lions got a 3,4 and a 7.

[gbpackfan]

Kiper giving props to the Pack!

[CaliforniaCheez]

Detroit Lions continuing the Millen Saga.

[Rastak]

Detroit Lions continuing the Millen Saga.


I like the move....they need help everywhere.

[Rastak]

Jets take Shonn Green.......hmmmmmm

[gbpackfan]

RB S. Greene

Not a bad little RB.

[cpk1994]

SHonn Greene to the Jets.

[gbpackfan]

Jets fans don't seem to like the pick all that much.

[Joemailman]

Good move by the Jets. Thomas Jones isn't getting any younger.

[Rastak]

Jets fans don't seem to like the pick all that much.

Not a need pick, that's for sure.

[Rastak]

Rams take Bradley Fletcher.

[GrnBay007]

All Iowa so far. :D

[Rastak]

KC takes Alex Magee.

[GrnBay007]

I missed everything yesterday.

What picks do the Packers have for today?

[Joemailman]

Round 3 belongs to the Big Ten so far. Bears are up.

[Rastak]

Da Bears on the clock. They sure could use a WR.....



Ha! The Bears have 9 day 2 picks......

[Fosco33]

i'm praying we pick beckum - he's gonna be solid. gb has passed on way too much homegrown talent in past decade.

[Lurker64]

McGee was a guy I liked, I hope there's not a run on 5-tech prospects.

Pedescleaux in the fourth?

[Joemailman]

Derrick Williams here maybe?

[CaliforniaCheez]

Before the draft I thought Magee was a guy Ted might get in the third.

Now he wouldn't have lasted and the 3A pick is long gone.

Good pick for KC.

[Rastak]

Bears take Jarron Gilbert.....


Damn.......

[red]

damn

that pick scares me

[Joemailman]

Everybody out of the pool!

[Rastak]

Cowboys...another team with no day 1 picks....but have 12 day 2 picks....yikes.

[Rastak]

Cowboys take Jason Williams...LB

[red]

thats a nice pick

[Joemailman]

Cincy is up. We need Ty's draft board.

[Rastak]

Bengals on the clock...they had a nice day 1....

Andre Smith
Rey Maualuga

[Waldo]

I was real high on Jason, one of my favorite day 2 prospects this year. I'm not surprised at all he went that high.

Poor man's Clay Matthews. Real similar game to them.

Nice pick Dallas.

I probably made 15 mocks this offseason, had him in a good 5-7 of them.

[Joemailman]

They're another team that could use a WR with Housh gone.

[Rastak]

Michael Johnson DE

[Lurker64]

Pretty characteristic Bengals pick, world class underachiever.

[Joemailman]

The ultimate boom or bust pick.

[red]

theres a guy who many had as a top 10 pick at the beginning of the off season

[Rastak]

Raiders (who were horshit in day 1)

take.......


Matt Shaughnessy

[Joemailman]

Who's the wise guy who turned the Raider's draft board upside down?

[red]

how do the raiders still have any fans?

[Joemailman]

Jax has 2 picks in a row.

[jmbarnes101]

Great, great pick by the Raiders. Shaughnessy is a steal and I think he has the potential to be a solid starter in the NFL. Good for him and good for them to take him. Cross one player off of my want list.

[Rastak]

Jags take Terrance Knighton...looks like the Pats traded out of the Packers 9 spot.....

[GrnBay007]

Cowboys take Jason Williams...LB

WIU. My alma mater :D

[red]

Cowboys take Jason Williams...LB

WIU. My alma mater :D

i would probably keep that to yourself

[Rastak]

Wow.....Jags gave up a 2 next year!


Jags take Derek Cox....Kirwin wasn't impressed......

[Fritz]

Jags take Terrance Knighton...looks like the Pats traded out of the Packers 9 spot.....


For the bitter-flavored Packerrats who often like to say that Thompson l-o-v-e-s trading down and would in his fantasy world end up with a bunch of sixth and seventh round picks - look who's doing that this year - the Patriots! Everybody's poster child for success!

[Joemailman]

49ers take Glen Coffee

[Fritz]

Wow.....Jags gave up a 2 next year!


Jags take Derek Cox....Kirwin wasn't impressed......

Man...I wonder if TT is regretting the Matthews thing a bit...he might've loved getting an extra second next year, and he could have had Barwin instead of Matthews this year....

[Waldo]

49ers take Glen Coffee

He was a good fit for us I thought. Good pick for them. A lot of upside to him.

[red]

pats are getting huge value for their trade downs

[Lurker64]

But there's not a lot of open roster spots in NE, what are they gaining from having all these low round picks?

[Joemailman]

Some of these teams are acting like there won't be a draft next year.

[jmbarnes101]

They can turn them into picks next year so they can continue to do this every year until those picks are needed. This is where I'm hoping TT gets to eventually.

[Rastak]

Cowboys take Robert Brewster.......

[Rastak]

Another Badger off the board to the Lions Deandre levy.

[Joemailman]

Lions take Deandre levy.

[jmbarnes101]

Levy to the Lions. There's another great pick. Detroit is approaching this draft the right way anyways.

[Lurker64]

There's a run on Big Ten "stars" looks like...

[Rastak]

Texans with Cushing and Barwin in day one....not bad.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Levy to the Lions. There's another great pick. Detroit is approaching this draft the right way anyways.

Homer. Every Badgers pick has been "a great pick."
:D

[Bretsky]

Great, great pick by the Raiders. Shaughnessy is a steal and I think he has the potential to be a solid starter in the NFL. Good for him and good for them to take him. Cross one player off of my want list.


I love the guy but I think this is too high to draft him

[Joemailman]

Texans take Antoine Caldwell.

[Bretsky]

Wow.....Jags gave up a 2 next year!


Jags take Derek Cox....Kirwin wasn't impressed......


Did the Jags give the Pats a 2 next year with our pick we had ?

[Rastak]

Chargers with Larry English on day 1.....on the clock.....

[Fosco33]

Glad to see some Badgers going off the board - need all the recruiting help we can get.

[Joemailman]

Chargers take Louis Vasquez.

[red]

my god the nfln song is getting so damn annoying

[Rastak]

Wow.....Jags gave up a 2 next year!


Jags take Derek Cox....Kirwin wasn't impressed......


Did the Jags give the Pats a 2 next year with our pick we had ?


Yea, the Jags got the Packers old 3 for a 2 next year.

[jmbarnes101]

Levy to the Lions. There's another great pick. Detroit is approaching this draft the right way anyways.

Homer. Every Badgers pick has been "a great pick."
:D

Of course they are and yes I am. Very proud of it to though I think it's fair to say that Badgers usually do well in the NFL. Playing in the rugged Big 10 and running a pro style offense certainly helps prepare them.

I did have Shaughnessey rated as a top 10 player in this draft once upon a time and I think if he would have been healthy he would have went even earlier.

[Rastak]

Duke Robinson and DJ Moore still on the board.....

[red]

badgers going left and right

[Rastak]

Another Badger.....Urbik to the Steelers....

[Fosco33]

Another badger! Urbik will be best Badger from this class.

[Fritz]

Texans with Cushing and Barwin in day one....not bad.

I like Barwin but disagree on Cushing. I really do think the guy's a poster child for steroid use:

http://www.971theticket.com/pages/2229798.php?itmBlogDomainUrl=http://khang-huynh-wxyt.itmblog.com/page/2/&itmBlogDomainUrl=http://khang-huynh-wxyt.itmblog.com/page/3/

[Joemailman]

Run on the Badgers. Steelers take Urbik. Perfect for the Steelers style.

[cpk1994]

And yet another Badger goes. Kraig Urbik to the Steelers. There is a run on Badgers.

[Gunakor]

Holy cow, the Big 10 owns this round

[jmbarnes101]

Who was it that called Urbik to the Steelers? There goes yet another great pick in the 3rd round.

[Bretsky]

Another Badger.....Urbik to the Steelers....


That was a great pick and this is the perfect team for his skills

The other two Badgers went too high IMO

[Lurker64]

I wonder why (at least) three OGs went before Duke Robinson.

[Joemailman]

Redskins take Kevin Barnes

[Carolina_Packer]

Jets fans don't seem to like the pick all that much.

Not a need pick, that's for sure.

I am an Iowa Hawkeye fan after moving from WI to IA when I was in 4th grade. I rememeber when Hayden Fry came there and put them back on the map. They slumped a little when he left and Ferentz took over as the cupboard was a bit bare. I've seen a few RB's come through there, and this guy is legit. He is hard to bring down on first contact and consistently got to the second level, and is kind of a bull with a bit of speed and shake. Just ask the WI defenders if he seemed slow. He should have as good a shot as any back at making the roster and perhaps making an early contribution.

[Rastak]

Bucs on the clock.....took Josh Freeman on day 1........

[red]

I wonder why (at least) three OGs went before Duke Robinson.

character concerns and bad work ethic

[Fosco33]

my god the nfln song is getting so damn annoying

I hear you - and that stupid Kay's jewlers commerical. Time to do something else (only 8am here in WC - just fed the baby girl).

[Joemailman]

Bucs take Roy Miller. Lions are up.

[Waldo]

I wonder why (at least) three OGs went before Duke Robinson.

character concerns and bad work ethic

He sucks at pass blocking, but is a dominant run blocker.

That's fine at the NCAA level, not so good at the pro level.

[Rastak]

Roy Miller to the Bucs....

[Rastak]

Derrick Williams to the Lions....they got WR!

[Joemailman]

patriots are up with the Brett Favre pick.

[Rastak]

Pats take Brandon Tate WR

[Joemailman]

Steelers are up with pick Broncos got from Bears for Cutler.

[Rastak]

Steelers grab Mike Wallace.....WR run......

[Waldo]

Roy Miller to the Bucs....

Good pick for them. Roy's an athletic NT that might not have a 3-4 NT frame and ability to gain bulk.

But he is an absolutely perfect fit for what Bates likes to do with the 4-3 defense.

[Joemailman]

Steelers grab Mike Wallace.....WR run......

Eagles take Morley Safer.

[Rastak]

Roy Miller to the Bucs....

Good pick for them. Roy's an athletic NT that might not have a 3-4 NT frame and ability to gain bulk.

But he is an absolutely perfect fit for what Bates likes to do with the 4-3 defense.


Kirwin and Brandt really liked the pick.

[Rastak]

Eagles traded out....Giants on the clock......

[Joemailman]

Who you eyeing for the Vikes, Ras?

[Rastak]

Giants take Ramses Barden....another WR


Dude is named after a Pharoah?

[Rastak]

Who you eyeing for the Vikes, Ras?


DJ Moore....short but extremely productive corner. He'd be a great value here.

[cpk1994]

Vikes up.

[Lurker64]

You sort of wonder that if Belichick keeps grabbing problem children and relying on the integrity of his locker room to keep them in check that eventually the reprobates are going to outnumber everybody else and they'll become the Bengals Atlantic Division.

[Rastak]

Vikings take Asher Allen.......actually that works too.

[cpk1994]

Vikes take Asher Allen

[Joemailman]

Vikes take Asher Allen http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/asher-allen?id=80626

[Rastak]

Asher Allen

Overall Football Traits

Production 2 2006: Allen appears in all 13 games recording a total of 24 tackles including 1.5 tackles-for-loss. He returns 19 kickoffs for a total of 420 yards (22.1 yard avg.) and four punts for a total of 53 yards. 2007: Allen starts 11 of the 13 games he appears in recording a total of 64 tackles including three tackles-for-loss and two sacks. He intercepts three passes along and breaks up four passes. Allen breaks school's single-season record for kickoff-return yards tallying a total of 690 yards on 28 returns (24.6 yard avg.) 2008: Allen starts all 13 games recording a total of 53 tackles including 4.5 tackles-for-loss and one sack. He breaks up seven passes. Allen returns five punts for a total of 91 yards (18.2 yard avg.).

Height-Weight-Speed 3 Adequate height with a solid build for his frame. Possesses adequate-to-good top-end speed for the position.
Durability 2 Broke a bone in his right hand during 2008 LSU game but didn't miss any time. Is tough and will play through pain.

Character 1 Quality young man from a solid background. A hard worker with outstanding overall intangibles.

Defensive Corner specific Traits

Recognition Skills/Toughness 1 Above-average instincts. Reads keys and quarterbacks' eyes. Extremely aggressive and isn't afraid to jump underneath routes. Physical at the line of scrimmage when playing press man and hard corner in cover-two look. Plays with a mean streak and does not shy away from contact. A solid, wrap-up tackler. Played second half of the season with a broken right hand and Georgia didn't disclose the injury until after the regular season finale.

Closing Burst 2 Shows above-average closing burst coming out of backpedal. Closes extremely fast when coming forward on the ball thrown in front of him. Also shows burst off the edge and can get to the quarterback when asked to blitz. Displays only decent deep recovery speed and can get in trouble when bites on double moves.

Fluidity 3 Fluid athlete and can change directions quickly but footwork is a bit inconsistent. Takes too many false steps coming out of breaks.

Ball Skills 4 Aggressive and goes after the football. Extends arms and gets hands on ball without committing pass interference. However, he displays below average hands and drops some passes that should catch. Broken hand likely hindered him in 2008 but he recorded zero interceptions last season  and only 3 INTs in 2007.

Run Support 2 Physical and fills quickly when reads run. Strong open field tackler and flashes ability to deliver the big hit. However, takes too long to shed blocks and can get engulfed by

[Lurker64]

Eight total WRs and CBs taken so far this round, wow. There's a run on the little fast guys.

[Joemailman]

Miami takes Patrick Turner

[Lurker64]

Eight total WRs and CBs taken so far this round, wow. There's a run on the little fast guys.

Make that nine.

[Lurker64]

Big reach by Miami to grab Turner, he's not that good.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Vikes take Asher Allen

I don't know anything about this guy. He's 5'10" and ran a 4.64 40. Short and slow. I like it.
:D

On all seriousness, when was he projected to go? McGinn doesn't have him in his top 100.

[Rastak]

Vikes take Asher Allen

I don't know anything about this guy. He's 5'10" and ran a 4.64 40. Short and slow. I like it.
:D

On all seriousness, when was he projected to go? McGinn doesn't have him in his top 100.


Scouts Inc had him as the 9th best corner (73rd best overall)....Brandt and Kirwin liked the pick...

[Joemailman]

Ravens tale Lardarius Webb.

Titans take Jared Cook.

[gbpackfan]

Vikes take Asher Allen

I don't know anything about this guy. He's 5'10" and ran a 4.64 40. Short and slow. I like it.
:D

On all seriousness, when was he projected to go? McGinn doesn't have him in his top 100.


He's actually 5'9"! I love the pick. Short with 5.52 speed. Jennings is licking his chops!

[Rastak]

Allen on NFL.com


Overview

The two-year starter at strong-side cornerback decided to forgo his final year of eligibility to test his wares in the National Football League. He closed out his Bulldogs career as one of the elite kickoff return specialists in school history despite handling the duty for just two years.

Allen's 47 kickoff returns for 1,110 yards rank third on the Georgia career record list, as his average of 23.6 yards per attempt placed him fourth in school history. Those totals were aided by his 28 returns for 690 yards in 2007, both setting new Bulldogs season marks.

At Tucker High School, Allen excelled in football, basketball and track. On the football field, he earned Atlanta Journal-Constitution Super 11 and Super Southern 100 honors. He was a member of the Fox Sports Net All-South third-team, Super Prep All-American and Prep Star Top 200 squads. He was rated the ninth-best cornerback in the country by Rivals.com.

Allen earned Coaches Choice All-State honors as a junior punt/kick returner, as he had seven punt returns and two kickoffs for touchdowns. On offense, the receiver had 36 receptions for 432 yards and five touchdowns as a junior and almost 500 yards and six rushing scores. As a cornerback, he recorded six interceptions, 46 solo tackles and 20 assists as a junior.

Allen enrolled at Georgia in January, 2006, competing during spring drills. He was named the team's Defensive Newcomer of the Year, seeing action in 13 contests behind Paul Oliver (San Diego) at weak-side cornerback. He posted 24 tackles (20 solos) on defense and also handled return duties. He averaged 22.1 yards on 19 kickoff returns and 13.5 yards on four punt returns.

As a sophomore, Allen started the team's final 11 games at strong-side cornerback, recording a career-high 64 tackles (50 solos) with a pair of sacks and a fumble recovery. He had his only interceptions (three) during his time with the Bulldogs and broke up four other throws. He tied the school single-season record with 28 kickoff returns and broke another annual mark by gaining 690 yards on those runbacks.

Allen started all 13 games at strong-side cornerback in 2008. The Jim Thorpe Award semifinalist played in the last five contests with a right hand fracture, wearing a cast that prevented him from getting too many interception opportunities and not handle the bulk of the kickoff return chores like he did in the past. He still managed to record 53 tackles (44 solos), adding 4.5 stops for loss while deflecting seven throws.

Partially due to his injury, Allen decided to leave Georgia after the season, joining fellow underclassmen quarterback Matthew Stafford and running back Knowshon Moreno in declaring for the 2009 NFL Draft. "Asher Allen has been a great part of our football team as well as our overall athletic program over the past three years," head coach Mark Richt said. "We will certainly miss him, however, we wish him the very best in the NFL Draft and with his professional football aspirations in the future."

"This was the hardest decision of my life because of my love and respect for Georgia and everyone who is affiliated with Georgia, including the fans, my teammates, my coaches, the academic staff and everyone else," Allen said. "I have been chasing this dream of playing in the NFL and after making this decision with my family, I feel like I am ready for this next step. But I owe everyone the world who has helped me out during my time at Georgia."

[Gunakor]

Vikes take Asher Allen

I don't know anything about this guy. He's 5'10" and ran a 4.64 40. Short and slow. I like it.
:D

On all seriousness, when was he projected to go? McGinn doesn't have him in his top 100.


He's actually 5'9"! I love the pick. Short with 5.52 speed. Jennings is licking his chops!

5.52 :?:

I could get open on that guy! :shock:

[red]

my god

pats just got another 2nd rounder next year for a late 3rd this year

[Joemailman]

Falcons take Christopher Owens

[Gunakor]

my god

pats just got another 2nd rounder next year for a late 3rd this year

Why so many teams are trading away higher picks in a deeper draft next year for middle round picks this year is mind boggling.

[Joemailman]

Seahawks take Deon Butler.http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/deon-butler?id=71233

[packers11]

I'd like to see Rashad Johnson in a packer uniform if he is still up there when we pick...

[Joemailman]

Colts take Jerraud Powers. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/jerraud-powers?id=80680

[Lurker64]

Looks like there's not going to be much there for DBs left when we pick in the fourth. We might get a shot at a decent OT though.

[red]

my god

pats just got another 2nd rounder next year for a late 3rd this year

Why so many teams are trading away higher picks in a deeper draft next year for middle round picks this year is mind boggling.

i have no clue

but the pats are gonna have the ammo to move up and get any guy they want next year

[Joemailman]

Still some decent defensive linemen because of the run on WR's and DB's.

[GrnBay007]

What picks do the Packers have today?

[Joemailman]

What picks do the Packers have today?


http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/tracker#dt-by-round-input:3/dt-tabs:dt-by-team/dt-by-team-input:gb

[packers11]

What picks do the Packers have today?

4-109
5-145
5-162
6-182
6-187
7-218

I guarantee you there will be 1-2 more picks with Teddy trading down now... :lol:

[Waldo]

Looks like there's not going to be much there for DBs left when we pick in the fourth. We might get a shot at a decent OT though.

Cadogan and Lang are still on the board.

This huge WR/CB run is making the OL fall.

[GrnBay007]

Thanks

[Gunakor]

What picks do the Packers have today?

The next one is #109.

I'm hoping TT is willing to take a risk on a guy with character issues here in the 4th and take Alex Boone if he's available. Boone is an OT from OSU, 4 year starter, 2 time All Big Ten. 6'7" 328 lbs. DUI in 2006 is the big concern.

[CaptainKickass]

What picks do the Packers have today?

Round 4, Pick 9 (109)
Round 5, Pick 9 (145)
Round 5, Pick 26 (162) (From Ravens through Patriots)
Round 6, Pick 9 (182)
Round 6, Pick 14 (187) (From Saints)
Round 7, Pick 9 (218)


:)

[Joemailman]

Titans take Ryan Moutn http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/ryan-mouton?id=79621

[cpk1994]

What picks do the Packers have today?

The next one is #109.

I'm hoping TT is willing to take a risk on a guy with character issues here in the 4th and take Alex Boone if he's available. Boone is an OT from OSU, 4 year starter, 2 time All Big Ten. 6'7" 328 lbs. DUI in 2006 is the big concern.He was high on Tyrone's board. :lol:

[Joemailman]

I'd like to see Rashad Johnson in a packer uniform if he is still up there when we pick...

Cardinals got him http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/rashad-johnson?id=71353

[Gunakor]

What picks do the Packers have today?

The next one is #109.

I'm hoping TT is willing to take a risk on a guy with character issues here in the 4th and take Alex Boone if he's available. Boone is an OT from OSU, 4 year starter, 2 time All Big Ten. 6'7" 328 lbs. DUI in 2006 is the big concern.He was high on Tyrone's board. :lol:

Yeah, but it's the 4th round and he's the best OT left on the board IMO. Take a chance.

[Lurker64]

Keep taking those WRs and CBs!

(Everybody else, that is.)

[Fritz]

Okay, this is why ESPN is stoopid:

The talking head who - naturally - was lauding Bill Belichik's drafting brilliance said what was so wonderful was how versatile all of Belichik's picks are.

Of the examples he gave: Ron Brace, whom the talking head said can play not only nose tackle, but defensive end.

?????

[Joemailman]

Steelers take Keenan Lewis. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/keenan-lewis?id=80658

[Gunakor]

Okay, this is why ESPN is stoopid:

The talking head who - naturally - was lauding Bill Belichik's drafting brilliance said what was so wonderful was how versatile all of Belichik's picks are.

Of the examples he gave: Ron Brace, whom the talking head said can play not only nose tackle, but defensive end.

?????

He might be okay as a 3-4 DE. He's certainly no 4-3 end rusher though.

[Joemailman]

Patriots take Tyrone Mckenzie. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/tyrone-mckenzie?id=80729

[Rastak]

Chase Coffman to the Bengals...not a bad pick.....

[Gunakor]

Bengals take Chase Coffman. Good pick.

[cpk1994]

Chase Coffman to the Bengals

[Joemailman]

Bengals take Chase Coffman http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/chase-coffman?id=71255

[oregonpackfan]

Steelers take Keenan Lewis. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/keenan-lewis?id=80658

I really like this guy, who played for the Oregon State Beavers. He is quick and very field-smart. At an even 6', he is taller than many CB's.

Lewis is also a high character type of guy. He earned academic all-American status several times during his college career.

[Joemailman]

Da Bears are up.

[Gunakor]

Da Bears are up.

Is this their first pick?

Edit: I see they had #68

[Lurker64]

Da Bears are up.

Is this their first pick?

No, they took Jarron Gilbert earlier.

[oregonpackfan]

Bengals take Chase Coffman http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/chase-coffman?id=71255

When I saw Coffman play during his junior year, my reaction was "This guy is going to play on Sundays some day." He is an excellent receiving tight end.

For Packer fans not aware of his ancestry, he father, Paul Coffman, played tight end for the Packers.

[Bretsky]

OK, somebody throw out their five picks they'd like to see for GB; I just got in so I'm catching up

[Guiness]

Lions trade down, Jets on the clock.....


Lions got a 3,4 and a 7.

are you sure? That seems like an awfully smart thing to do. I don't know what I'd think of there being 4 NFL teams in our division, as opposed to 3+1 junior varsity...

[Joemailman]

Bears take Juaquin Iglesias http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/juaquin-iglesias?id=80650

[Rastak]

Lions trade down, Jets on the clock.....


Lions got a 3,4 and a 7.

are you sure? That seems like an awfully smart thing to do. I don't know what I'd think of there being 4 NFL teams in our division, as opposed to 3+1 junior varsity...


They switched 3's and got a 4 and a 7.....I THINK......not 100% sure.

[Gunakor]

OK, somebody throw out their five picks they'd like to see for GB; I just got in so I'm catching up

The only position I'm real concerned with yet is OT. Alex Boone from OSU would be a nice addition.

[Rastak]

Beckum to the Giants.

[The_Dude]

Beckum to the Giants.

Damn, kinda hoping he would go the the pack.

[Fosco33]

Doh - Beckum's gone at 100. He's gonna be boom or bust imo.

Pretty impressive to have 1 of every 25 picks made this year to be Badgers!

[Gunakor]

Good for Travis. Glad to see he's going to a solid football team.

[Badgerinmaine]

I'm hoping TT is willing to take a risk on a guy with character issues here in the 4th and take Alex Boone if he's available. Boone is an OT from OSU, 4 year starter, 2 time All Big Ten. 6'7" 328 lbs. DUI in 2006 is the big concern.
Has he done anything else stupid since then? Yes, it's a serious offense, and I hope he got what he had coming for it. But if it was a one time crime and not a chronic problem, I think there are probably many players out there whose character issues would pose more of a problem as an employee of the Packers.

[Badgerinmaine]

Good for Travis. Glad to see he's going to a solid football team.
Amen to that. I hope his health holds up.

[Joemailman]

OK, somebody throw out their five picks they'd like to see for GB; I just got in so I'm catching up

4 of the top 10 OT's are still available.

9 Andrew Gardner 6-6 302 Georgia Tech
8 Fenuki Tupou 6-6 314 Oregon
7 Troy Kropog 6-6 309 Tulane
6JJamon Meredith 6-5 304 South Carolina

[HarveyWallbangers]

Rastak, have you watched the combine video of Matthews? Dude reminds me of Chad Greenway. Athletic, fluid, nice size, needs to put on 10-15 pounds but has the frame to do it (Chad did too, and has).

[Rastak]

Rastak, have you watched the combine video of Matthews? Dude reminds me of Chad Greenway. Athletic, fluid, nice size, needs to put on 10-15 pounds but has the frame to do it (Chad did too, and has).


No I haven't......I think it was a pretty good move to trade up though. Should have some impact as a rookie.

[HarveyWallbangers]

At this point, I'm not enamored with picking an OT. They all look like developmental picks and none look like starters. We have several developmental OL as it is. I'm okay with RB, TE, OT, DE, CB, or P at this point.

[The_Dude]

Rastak, have you watched the combine video of Matthews? Dude reminds me of Chad Greenway. Athletic, fluid, nice size, needs to put on 10-15 pounds but has the frame to do it (Chad did too, and has).


No I haven't......I think it was a pretty good move to trade up though. Should have some impact as a rookie.

God I hope so, the packers defense needs some pressure on the QB

[Fosco33]

What about Cadogen or Duke Robinson?

[Lurker64]

A lot of the teams picking between now and us already picked an OT, so the odds of someone slipping to us might be good.

I like T.J. Lang, personally.

[Joemailman]

dallas takes QB Stephen McGee http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/516606

[Bretsky]

OK, somebody throw out their five picks they'd like to see for GB; I just got in so I'm catching up

The only position I'm real concerned with yet is OT. Alex Boone from OSU would be a nice addition.


Per ESPN there seems to be a few decent OT's left

[Joemailman]

Kansas City takes CB Donald Washington http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/563632

[Bretsky]

Beckum to the Giants.


Good for Travis; he fits a need area for the Giants

[Lurker64]

There goes Scott. Probably didn't need him anymore with the Raji pick, but I liked him as a player.

[Bretsky]

At this point, I'm not enamored with picking an OT. They all look like developmental picks and none look like starters. We have several developmental OL as it is. I'm okay with RB, TE, OT, DE, CB, or P at this point.


throw some of the names from your wishlist out there

Some good players left IMO

[Bretsky]

There goes Scott. Probably didn't need him anymore with the Raji pick, but I liked him as a player.

me too; and I'd be fine if they go D D D

Dang, the other LB from USC just came off the board

I was hoping TT had the option of him as well

[Fosco33]

Cadogan seems like a packer person - but I like OT with mean steak (bio says he's possibly passive).

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2009/draft/players/14253.html

[Waldo]

Lang, Cadgogan, Bell, Morrah, Jennings, Brown, Peerman, Fiammetta

For our pick IMO

[Fosco33]

What about DJ Moore (Vandy CB) - projected at 2nd round?

[RashanGary]

Ras,

I think the corner you drafted is going to be good. I think he'll start some day and play for a long time.

[RashanGary]

What about DJ Moore (Vandy CB) - projected at 2nd round?


I like him a lot.

[Rastak]

Ras,

I think the corner you drafted is going to be good. I think he'll start some day and play for a long time.


I didn't see him play but he was a semi-finalist for the Thorpe award so he can't be all bad. Kirwin said he was one of the smartest players in the draft with great recognition skills so I'km pretty happy with the pick.

[Waldo]

What about DJ Moore (Vandy CB) - projected at 2nd round?

Not sure I want him after he made it past a huge CB run where he was supposedly the BPA at the position the whole time.

[Rastak]

What about DJ Moore (Vandy CB) - projected at 2nd round?


I like him a lot.


He'd be a great value in the 4th....he pretty short but productive as hell in college.

[Joemailman]

Bengals take Jonathan Luigs http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/jonathan-luigs?id=71373

[Lurker64]

What about DJ Moore (Vandy CB) - projected at 2nd round?

Not sure I want him after he made it past a huge CB run where he was supposedly the BPA at the position the whole time.

Yeah, about 12 guys with a "lower grade" got picked before him. There's got to be something wrong with him, otherwise one of those twelve teams would have picked him up.

At the same time, if we took Moore and Hill (from Wisconsin) we'd have an A.J., a B.J., a D.J, and a P.J.!

[Bretsky]

Lang, Cadgogan, Bell, Morrah, Jennings, Brown, Peerman, Fiammetta

For our pick IMO


really on board with Lang or Fiametta

Hey, best FB in the draft :!: :lol:

[RashanGary]

Ras,

I think the corner you drafted is going to be good. I think he'll start some day and play for a long time.


I didn't see him play but he was a semi-finalist for the Thorpe award so he can't be all bad. Kirwin said he was one of the smartest players in the draft with great recognition skills so I'km pretty happy with the pick.

Yep. Some things are more important than height and 40 yard dash time in shorts. It's how they play the game. He plays good football.

[Joemailman]

Jax take Mike Thomashttp://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/mike-thomas?id=81308

[Rastak]

What about DJ Moore (Vandy CB) - projected at 2nd round?

Not sure I want him after he made it past a huge CB run where he was supposedly the BPA at the position the whole time.

Yeah, about 12 guys with a "lower grade" got picked before him. There's got to be something wrong with him, otherwise one of those twelve teams would have picked him up.


True, but you can say that about alot of guys.,...maybe it's the 5'8".

[Bretsky]

could easily trade down here if TT finds a biter

Not sure they is a huge huge value guy here

[Joemailman]

Packers are on the clock.

[Fosco33]

I'd be fine with Meredith/Cadogan or Sidbury/ Kyle Moore (USC DE). DJ Moore may be a prospect...

[Gunakor]

Miami making selecton now, Green Bay is on the clock.

[Waldo]

I forgot Toler.

I could see him too.

[Fosco33]

Sooo many WRs taken recently - gotta have some value picks on defense and oline. With the trade down in the 3rd round - we may get close to 'our guy' anyways.

TT is looking very smart.

[GrnBay007]

:cow:

[Bretsky]

predictions ???

I'm going TJ Lang

[Bretsky]

dammit

double commercial on the two stations covering the draft

[cpk1994]

What a shock, ESPN takes a commerical when the Pack is on the clock. :roll:

[falco]

I bet it will be a RB

[Gunakor]

What a shock, ESPN takes a commerical when the Pack is on the clock. :roll:

NFLN too...

[Fosco33]

I forgot Toler.

I could see him too.

A bit taller and about as fast as Moore.

[Fritz]

And....ESPN goes to commercial when the Pack is on the clock.
How about that SC OT - Meredith, I think? What about that guy? Or Lang?

I'd like to see a OT who can sit and learn for a year.

That fullback would be fine, too.

[RashanGary]

I would take the best punter available.

[Rastak]

It's TJ Lang.

[red]

WTF

they aren't even saying who we picked

[Bretsky]

who did we get ?

I think we can get the best P and best FB next round

[cpk1994]

I would take the best punter available.Mike Sherman, we don't need your opinion. :lol:

[Ballboy]

predictions ???

I'm going TJ Lang



good call

[Waldo]

Woo hoo my man TJ Lang.

Kid screamed GB lineman to me.

Great pick TT.

[Fritz]

TJ Lang! Yes! I'll take that.

Waldo? Wasn't he on your list?

[Fosco33]

predictions ???

I'm going TJ Lang

Nice

[Rastak]

Overall Football Traits

Production 1 Lang lines up at defensive tackle and starts one of the 11 games he appears in as a true freshman in 2005. He switches to offensive tackle in 2006 and goes on to start 36 consecutive games during the 2006-'08 seasons. Lang earns second-team All-MAC honors in 2008.

Height-Weight-Speed 2 Adequate height, good bulk and above-average top-end speed.

Durability 1 Finished career with 36 consecutive starts.

Character 2 Majoring in Criminal Justice and there are no off-the-field issues to our knowledge. Can play any position along the offensive line.

Offensive Tackle specific Traits

Strength/Toughness 2 Plays with an edge and an effective hand fighter. Upper body strength appears more than adequate and flashes the ability to deliver a violent initial punch. Finishes blocks.

Agility 3 Shows good body control in space and adequate lateral mobility for size but not an elite athlete.

Awareness 3 Does a good job of turning ends outside on draws. Keeps head up in pass protection and does a nice job of helping guard out when no defenders come to him.

Pass Protection 3 Stays engaged and makes it difficult for defensive linemen to get their hands up in passing lanes. Gets adequate knee bend, does a good job of resetting feet and can hold ground against bull rushers. Leans too much and is vulnerable to push-pull moves. Takes too long to redirect and going to have some problems countering double moves. Lacks elite initial quickness and going to have a harder time preventing edge rushers from turning the corner at the NFL level.

Run Blocking 2 Gets excellent hand placement and drives legs once in position. Does an adequate job of opening hips, shows above-average range for size and can get around the corner when asked to pull. Takes adequate angles to downfield blocks and can cover up linebackers at the second level.

[Waldo]

TJ Lang! Yes! I'll take that.

Waldo? Wasn't he on your list?

Yes.

And my final mock too. In the 3rd. :D

[falco]

by the end of this draft all the TT haters will be chipping in to buy him a lapdance lol

[Joemailman]

We now have A.J., B.J. and T.J.

[Bretsky]

predictions ???

I'm going TJ Lang



good call



Gosh I'm getting this warm and fuzzy feeling towards TT now :lol:

[Gunakor]

It's TJ Lang.

There ya go B. Got the guy you wanted.

He was a DL to start his college career, switching to OL his sophomore season. Biggest strength I can see is his versatility, but that's not exactly what I was looking for with this pick. I wanted a guy who is a tackle, was recruited as a tackle and has started as a tackle for his entire career. Someone who might be a little bit more polished. Hopefully this works out.

[falco]

It's TJ Lang.

There ya go B. Got the guy you wanted.

He was a DL to start his college career, switching to OL his sophomore season. Biggest strength I can see is his versatility, but that's not exactly what I was looking for with this pick. I wanted a guy who is a tackle, was recruited as a tackle and has started as a tackle for his entire career. Someone who might be a little bit more polished. Hopefully this works out.

you puzzle me gunakor. the guy started 36 straight games as a tackle in college...

[Gunakor]

It's TJ Lang.

There ya go B. Got the guy you wanted.

He was a DL to start his college career, switching to OL his sophomore season. Biggest strength I can see is his versatility, but that's not exactly what I was looking for with this pick. I wanted a guy who is a tackle, was recruited as a tackle and has started as a tackle for his entire career. Someone who might be a little bit more polished. Hopefully this works out.

you puzzle me gunakor. the guy started 36 straight games as a tackle in college...

All I read in his bio was about his transformation to OL as a sophmore and his ability to switch inside to G or C if needed. Don't we have guys like that already?

[denverYooper]

predictions ???

I'm going TJ Lang

Nice.

[RashanGary]

Seems like a high upside player. Will need at least a year by the looks of it.

[Fosco33]

Wonder if he and GJ will get along (east vs. west michigan).

I'm liking this draft more/more.

[Lurker64]

Seems like a high upside player. Will need at least a year by the looks of it.

He might be in the mix right away at RT? Seems sort of a road grader type.

[falco]

All I read in his bio was about his transformation to OL as a sophmore and his ability to switch inside to G or C if needed. Don't we have guys like that already?

not sure, just think that starting three years as a tackle in college is pretty good - knocking him because his first year he was a DT seems silly.

[Fosco33]

by the end of this draft all the TT haters will be chipping in to buy him a lapdance lol

Only it has to be in Vegas and supplied by the dudes from 'Thunder from Down Under' 8-)

[falco]

great video of him whipping around D-lineman on JSO blog

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/packers.html

[RashanGary]

Thompson has drafted a lot of OL the last few year. I imagine we're not going to have many problems down the line at OL.

Hopefully we can get Barbre to be a player this year. If that happens, we're looking pretty tough up front.

[falco]

Only it has to be in Vegas and supplied by the dudes from 'Thunder from Down Under' 8-)


Gosh I'm getting this warm and fuzzy feeling towards TT now :lol:

A few more picks like this and Bretsky may volunteer to do it...

[red]

Wonder if he and GJ will get along (east vs. west michigan).

I'm liking this draft more/more.

its not a big rivalry

western vs. central is the big one

[Joemailman]

Lang played LT the last 2 years. Is he Clifton's eventual replacement?

[Fosco33]

We now have A.J., B.J. and T.J.

Clearly we have to draft PJ Hill now!

not

Fat, drunks are already abundant in the GB area :P

[Fosco33]

Wonder if he and GJ will get along (east vs. west michigan).

I'm liking this draft more/more.

its not a big rivalry

western vs. central is the big one

Gotcha - how many regional names do they come up with.... at least in WI we name universities by their cities.

[red]

Lang played LT the last 2 years. Is he Clifton's eventual replacement?

sounds like he can play anywhere on the line, except maybe center

one thing i saw said he might be best inside

sounds like a classic TT linemen, he could play anywhere on the line

[falco]

Wonder if he and GJ will get along (east vs. west michigan).

I'm liking this draft more/more.

its not a big rivalry

western vs. central is the big one

Gotcha - how many regional names do they come up with.... at least in WI we name universities by their cities.

I believe in Wisconsin they are all part of the Univeisty of Wisconsin system, as opposed to MI where they are all separate (UM, MSU, EMU, CMU, WMU).

[red]

Wonder if he and GJ will get along (east vs. west michigan).

I'm liking this draft more/more.

its not a big rivalry

western vs. central is the big one

Gotcha - how many regional names do they come up with.... at least in WI we name universities by their cities.

i know of northern, central, eastern and western. i don't think there is a southern michigan uni

and those are all pretty big universities (20,000+), except NMU (10,000)

[Packnut]

FAN-DAMN-TASTIC! Another "need" pick. I've seen this guy a few times. He was impressive.

Well, it took quite a while but:


Draft Grade For Ted Thompson: A+

[Gunakor]

Lang played LT the last 2 years. Is he Clifton's eventual replacement?

sounds like he can play anywhere on the line, except maybe center

one thing i saw said he might be best inside

sounds like a classic TT linemen, he could play anywhere on the line

I read he could play center too. His versatility seems to be his biggest strength. He's probably a pretty good value at this point, I suppose.

[RashanGary]

Seems like a high upside player. Will need at least a year by the looks of it.

He might be in the mix right away at RT? Seems sort of a road grader type.

I've been hoping for bigger guys up front. There is something wrong with Barbre if he can't beat out a rookie in his 4th year.