Report: “Favre Can’t Stand Green Bay”

[retailguy]

Report: “Favre Can’t Stand Green Bay”
Posted by Mike Florio on May 2, 2009, 4:05 p.m.

Though plenty of folks continue to accept at face value the same “I ain’t comin’ back” message that a certain quarterback was communicating as late as early July of 2008, the signs point to the Second Annual Brett Favre Retirement becoming the Second Annual Brett Favre Unretirement.

Why? Favre reportedly still wants revenge on the Green Bay Packers.

“Favre can’t stand Green Bay,” an unnamed league source told Gary Myers of the New York Daily News. “He wants to play Green Bay and say, ‘I told you so.’ His bitterness is creating this. I think he’s calling Minnesota. I think Minnesota is talking about this as we speak. You haven’t heard the end of Favre. No way. He is bionic. As long as somebody will let him in, he will play.”

[retailguy]

Wow. :shock: I hope this isn't true. But, I must admit, it was my feeling after watching Greta's interview...

Revenge rarely works. But, WOW. This is really sad if true.

[retailguy]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2009/05/02/2009-05-02_all_signs_point_to_brett_favre_returning_to_nfl _with_the_vikings.html

Here's the NY Daily news article...

Brett Favre eventually will go back to Green Bay, make peace with the organization that humiliated him when it didn't want him back last summer and traded him to the Jets, and retire as a Packer. But he didn't need the Jets to release him last week from the last two years of his contract for that to happen.

So, let's connect the dots and see where they lead:

• Favre retired in February, but the Jets refused his request to release him, wanting to keep his rights in the event he changed his mind and wanted to play again - he is prone to flip-flop, of course - and Kellen Clemens and Brett Ratliff stunk up their new $75 million practice facility in the offseason.

• The Jets traded up to get Mark Sanchez in the draft last weekend and the text-messaging between GM Mike Tannenbaum and Favre intensified. Favre still wanted to completely cut his contractual ties with the Jets. Three days later, the Jets released him. Sources say Favre, who will be 40 in October, wants to keep his options open. Favre released a statement saying, "At this time, I am retired and have no intention of returning to football."

The three key words: "At this time."

• The Vikings are a quarterback short of being a Super Bowl contender, and they need to sell tickets and have been trying for years to get a new stadium.

If Favre was planning to stay retired, why would he even request the Jets cut him? The dots? They lead right to Minnesota, exactly where Favre wanted to be traded last year. The Vikes have Sage Rosenfels and Tarvaris Jackson, meaning Favre can step in and try to write a better ending to his career after he ran out of gas with the Jets and stick it to the Packers at the same time.

One NFL source insists Favre can't peacefully retire until he finds a way to get revenge on the Packers. He wants back into the NFC North so he can face the Packers twice. The Bears traded for Jay Cutler and the Lions drafted Matthew Stafford. Hello, Minnesota.

"Favre can't stand Green Bay," the source said. "He wants to play Green Bay and say, 'I told you so.' His bitterness is creating this. I think he's calling Minnesota. I think Minnesota is talking about this as we speak. You haven't heard the end of Favre. No way. He is bionic. As long as somebody will let him in, he will play."

The Jets did Favre a huge favor by cutting him now. They were under no obligation to let him go. But Favre actually had the Jets in a vulnerable position and ultimately they would have no choice but to cut him if he came out of retirement:

• The Jets are $12 million under the salary cap. Favre's base salary for 2009 is $13 million. If Favre told the Jets tomorrow he was coming back, they would be given three days by the NFL to activate him. To activate him, they would have to get under the cap. To trade him, he would have to be activated. They are going to need a chunk of that $12 million cap number to sign Sanchez. They could no longer afford Favre. The math didn't work.

• When the Jets traded for Favre last August, the Packers smartly put in a poison pill that made it impossible for the Jets to turn around and trade Favre to the Vikings, Bears or Lions. If they traded him to an NFC North team last year, they would have had to give the Packers three first-round draft choices. If they did it this year, they would have had to give the Packers two first-round picks.

The Jets are convinced the Vikings are the only team Favre wants. If they felt they could trade him anywhere else, they might have considered retaining his rights. Ultimately, they saw no reason to hold onto Favre when they couldn't get anything for him in a trade. The only way this backfires is if Tom Brady is not ready for the start of the season and Favre signs with the Patriots. By the Jets releasing him, the real loser is Green Bay if Favre goes to Minnesota and plays well. The Packers did not call the Jets to complain after they released Favre.

• Once the Jets drafted Sanchez, he became the face of the franchise and the Jets no longer wanted Favre back even if he wanted back. Favre was not a willing tutor to Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay. There's no reason to believe he would have embraced Sanchez. And the Jets wanted no part of the soap opera Favre put the Packers through last summer. The Jets rented Favre for one year at a cost of a third-round pick. It almost paid off. If they the Jets were not able to get Sanchez, they would not have cut Favre last week.

Favre has used the last four months to let his torn biceps tendon in his throwing arm heal up. The time off has also let him recharge his competitive spirit. Training camps don't open until about Aug. 1. He reportedly hired a personal trainer. The web site Pro Football Talk reported last week there was a flight that left Minneapolis for Hattiesburg, Miss., on Wednesday morning and returned later in the day. The trip supposedly was made the day after the Jets released Favre. Was the Vikings' hierarchy aboard?

Before long, Favre will be throwing to the high school kids in Hattiesburg. And then you can figure he will start leaking word around mid-June he's got the itch to play again.

Wide receivers Hakeem Nicks, the Giants' first-round pick, and Ramses Barden, the first of their two third-round picks, represent the choices they would not give up for Cleveland's Braylon Edwards or Arizona's Anquan Boldin. Wise move? Short-term, it's not likely the Giants will get the production from either of the rookies they could have gotten from Edwards or Boldin. Rookie receivers usually don't make an immediate impact. Long-term will take a couple of years to figure out. But considering the Giants also had two second-round picks and another third-round selection, I would rather have taken my chances with Edwards or Boldin and given Manning a proven receiver on a win-now team. Remember, the Giants not only don't have Plaxico Burress, they are not bringing back Amani Toomer.Draft overkill
The NFL has one year remaining on its contract with Radio City to hold the draft. It has not been determined if Roger Goodell will take the show on the road in 2011. But you can just about count on it being reconfigured once again to maximize TV ratings, which is pretty much the league's No. 1 concern. The latest proposal being tossed around is to hold the first round in prime time on a Thursday night, rounds two and three on Friday and four through seven on Saturday. ... Now that the Saints have extended their Superdome lease through 2025, look for the NFL to award the 2013 Super Bowl to New Orleans. The next three are in Miami, Dallas and Indy. New Orleans is a 2013 finalist with Tampa and Glendale, Ariz. The last time New Orleans hosted was the 2002 game between the Rams and Patriots. The NFL wants to put a post-Katrina Super Bowl in the Superdome as a sign of commitment to the Gulf Coast region.

[gbpackfan]

It will be very sad to see Brett play another year. He was terrible at the end of the season last year. He is ruining his legacy and making a fool out of himself.

[oregonpackfan]

I hope Favre comes to his senses and realize that revenge is always "sweet."

I would like him to look back and be grateful for having a fabulous NFL career with the Green Bay Packers.

He still has a great wife and two lovely daughters. It is time for him to begin the other chapters of his life.

[Brandon494]

It will be very sad to see Brett play another year. He was terrible at the end of the season last year. He is ruining his legacy and making a fool out of himself.

He threw for 6 TDs in a game last season, dont really think he is making a fool of himself. Also wasn't his arm hurt during the end of the season when he started to struggled?

[DannoMac21]

It will be very sad to see Brett play another year. He was terrible at the end of the season last year. He is ruining his legacy and making a fool out of himself.

He threw for 6 TDs in a game last season, dont really think he is making a fool of himself. Also wasn't his arm hurt during the end of the season when he started to struggled?

Notice he said the end of last year? When the Jets literally collapsed and most of it due to Favre's horrible play.

[Scott Campbell]

I wonder if MN is desperate enough to put up with the accompanying freak show.

[svh1962]

let him come back. then i would hope that b.j. raji and clay mathews meet him in the backfield and introduce themselves.

[PlantPage55]

It will be very sad to see Brett play another year. He was terrible at the end of the season last year. He is ruining his legacy and making a fool out of himself.

He threw for 6 TDs in a game last season, dont really think he is making a fool of himself. Also wasn't his arm hurt during the end of the season when he started to struggled?

:lol: The guy says Brett sucked in the second half of the season last year (which, in reality, should be the second half of the season for the last 5 years) and you bring out the 6 TD game from earlier in the season (something that Brett humpers LOVE to do). The 6 TD game, which was an anomaly in an otherwise mostly bad year for Brett. It was ONE game.

It's remarkable what continues to be ignored by the blind.

[gbpackfan]

It will be very sad to see Brett play another year. He was terrible at the end of the season last year. He is ruining his legacy and making a fool out of himself.

He threw for 6 TDs in a game last season, dont really think he is making a fool of himself. Also wasn't his arm hurt during the end of the season when he started to struggled?

As other readers have pointed out, I stated he was terrible AT THE END OF THE SEASON. I am a HUGE Favre fan, as big as any, but facts are facts my friend. Now stop drinking the Kool Aid and come to your senses. He is done. Get over it. This is foolish and embarassing!

[The Shadow]

It will be very sad to see Brett play another year. He was terrible at the end of the season last year. He is ruining his legacy and making a fool out of himself.

I certainly agree.
It was especially sad to learn how little he was as a person.

[Jimx29]

You need to change that title of the thread and include "an unnamed source and I think (3 times)" think that......blah blah blah.... :roll:

[Packnut]

It's just gets to funny. It's always the same morons here ripping Favre. Nothing but a bunch of little bitch's..............

[Packnut]

It will be very sad to see Brett play another year. He was terrible at the end of the season last year. He is ruining his legacy and making a fool out of himself.

I certainly agree.
It was especially sad to learn how little he was as a person.

And you've always been king of the morons here..........

[RashanGary]

Everyone knows I'm not a Favre fan (the person or the player lately).

I'm hoping there is a day he realizes nobody was out to get him and they were just doing their job.

I'm starting to think this is going to happen. He could squash all of this INSTANTLY by just saying he's retired. He's letting this thing drag out. I think he's a year late going to the Vikings, but I'm sure he's better than TJack and probably better than Sage even at this point in his career when he has less than zero mobility and has a solid but nothing special arm.


I'm not going to throw darts at the guy. Done is done. Him playing for the Vikes doesn't change what I think of him. It would be a lot of fun to watch though. I kind of hope it happens. It's the right spot for him, but I don't think he's good enough and I know the Vikes are supposed to be on the rise, but AP isn't getting any better, neither is Jared Allen, neither is their OL, neither is Pat or Kevin. They don't have a lot of young up and comers. I just don't think they're all that great, even with Favre in his current state. Favre of 5 years ago, yeah, they're legit. This Favre, I really don't think he's very good so I don't think he'll make much of a difference.

[RashanGary]

I'll definitely listen to Havel on Monday. He usually seems to know what is coming before it comes with Favre.

[Lurker64]

I think we're a long way away from Brett wearing purple. A few things have to be realized to his satisfaction before it could happen.

1) The StarCaps lawsuit probably needs to be resolved in favor of the Williamses, since if you remove Pat and Kevin for the first four games of the season, that's going to put Minnesota in a sizable hole. The court date for this is sometime in June, so don't expect a decision out of Favre for a couple of months.

2) Favre has to be sure that his shoulder is healed. After last season Favre passed up on some surgery that would heal his injured shoulder, instead opting to let it gradually heal over time. How far along are we in this process? He probably hasn't been throwing much, what with the injury, will he be ready in time?

3) Favre has to determine to his satisfaction that he would be anointed the starter if he landed in Minnesota, since the man absolutely detests training camp and there is a non-negligible chance that in a fair competition, Sage (who is young and has upside) might beat out Brett (who is old, and declining). If there's any chance that Favre might not end up as the starter and get relegated to backup duty or even cut, he's not going to take that chance. He's a proud man, and he's got plenty of money.

I do admit it would be sort of humorously ironic though that if Brett Favre is so overcome with his hatred of the Green Bay Packers that he signs with their archrival, and then loses a fair competition for the starting Quarterback role, and is cut in favor of keeping a young, inexpensive player with some upside in the backup role.

I'm still hoping though that the reports of Favre hating the Packers are significantly overstated, and that he just stays at home and enjoys the retired life.

[Scott Campbell]

It will be very sad to see Brett play another year. He was terrible at the end of the season last year. He is ruining his legacy and making a fool out of himself.

I certainly agree.
It was especially sad to learn how little he was as a person.

And you've always been king of the morons here..........


http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=401429&highlight=reggie+nelson#401429




It's always nice to "wish" and hope" but there are zero facts to support your opinion. Harrell is a bust plain and simple. He has contributed NOTHING as the 16th pick in the draft ...................................

There are two rules you do not dismiss as a GM. You can get lucky ignoring one or the other but Teddy violated both. He drafted an under-clasman and he drafted an injury riddled player going back to HS.

Once again, Reggie Nelson was sitting there and he was a NEED pick. Had Thompson taken Nelson, we would have had a player who contributed immediately as I believe he was all-rookie in the AFC.

:oops:

[Deputy Nutz]

Again, if Favre wants to play and there is a team willing to pay him he is well with in his rights. He just better commit to himself to the game starting like now.

[mraynrand]

Report: “Favre Can’t Stand Green Bay”
Posted by Mike Florio on May 2, 2009, 4:05 p.m.
You haven’t heard the end of Favre. No way. He is bionic. As long as somebody will let him in, he will play.”

Well, Favre may be bionic, but if he wants to play for anyone this year, he better get back to out to the barn and his lonely Bowflex and lose his 'Bionic' gut and his 'bionic' wide ass - about 30 pounds of 'Bionic' fat that was slowing him down last year.

and revenge? Revenge is a dish best served cold. It is very cold in Lambeau - except probably not on Nov. 1.

[RashanGary]

:lol:


That was funny, ayn rand. He certainly didn't look like an NFL QB a lot of the time out there. Obviously he could still throw the ball, but outside of that, it was like watching your uncle Buck put on his football suite and get mowed down by real NFL players.

The guy must have monkey tendons. It's amazing that a person who is, by all visual evidence, physically incapable of stepping on a football field can make it through an NFL season. The guy is top notch durable. It's really fucking astounding the beating that old guy can take :lol: I'll always respect that about him, probably even more-so late in his career when any normal human would have toppled over just from the arthritic pain.

If he wants another year, I'll tell you what, I'll bet he makes it through the year. The guy might not be good, but he'll be there getting his legs bent in awkward directions and getting up to limp under center for another snap. His wife has to be turning her head, just hoping he gets up at this point in his career. I'm laughing out loud, but man, I could just as easily be cringing.

[RashanGary]

Favre is like a twisted version of Chuck Norris.

Chuck is quicker than a puma, stronger than an ox and craftier than rapist. His legend will be passed through generations I'm sure.


Favre, well, he never really beats anyone up, but he's like Houdini in that you could punch him in the nut bag and he'd irk his head sideways and smile. You could dive on his knee, bending it backwards and he'd get up, rub himself off and go back under center. A 260 lb LB could dive head first into his spine on a blind side hit and he'd get up for more.

He's like Chuck in that his legend will never die. Chucks legend is that there is no one who can beat him down. Brett's legend is that there is no way you can beat him down hard enough that he won't get back up.

Certainly, there is some pride in that hillbilly tough, but man, he's 40 years old. At some point, doesn't he just want to be able to walk on his ankle that is said to be bone on bone already. Doesn't he want to be able to get out of bed and enjoy the days with his grandkids without any more pain than I'm sure he'll already have to endure in his daily life. Enough's enough Brett. You're an old man. You're tough as hell, we get it. You don't need another beating to prove it to anyone.

[The Shadow]

It will be very sad to see Brett play another year. He was terrible at the end of the season last year. He is ruining his legacy and making a fool out of himself.

I certainly agree.
It was especially sad to learn how little he was as a person.

And you've always been king of the morons here..........

Allowing you to rightfully take your place as The Queen.

[Partial]

Wow. :shock: I hope this isn't true. But, I must admit, it was my feeling after watching Greta's interview...

Revenge rarely works. But, WOW. This is really sad if true.

I don't think it's that sad personally. Say a company kicked you to the curb for some young 'up and comer'. Wouldn't you want to make them pay for the disservice? I know I sure would.

[Partial]

It will be very sad to see Brett play another year. He was terrible at the end of the season last year. He is ruining his legacy and making a fool out of himself.

He threw for 6 TDs in a game last season, dont really think he is making a fool of himself. Also wasn't his arm hurt during the end of the season when he started to struggled?

Notice he said the end of last year? When the Jets literally collapsed and most of it due to Favre's horrible play.

This is a moronic statement to make. Those Jets, which were abysmal the year before whilest the Packer were great, were the dominant team in the NFL before Favre got hurt, while the Packers struggled mightly throughout the season.

[Partial]

The guy must have monkey tendons. It's amazing that a person who is, by all visual evidence, physically incapable of stepping on a football field can make it through an NFL season. The guy is top notch durable. It's really fucking astounding the beating that old guy can take :lol: I'll always respect that about him, probably even more-so late in his career when any normal human would have toppled over just from the arthritic pain.

Zoinks! Visual evidence that he is physical incapable? Let's not kid ourselves. You've never been in the sort of condition Favre was in last year. Not even close. Never ever ever. You can clean 135. You know how much Favre can? Probably 2-3x that much.

[mission]

Wow. :shock: I hope this isn't true. But, I must admit, it was my feeling after watching Greta's interview...

Revenge rarely works. But, WOW. This is really sad if true.

I don't think it's that sad personally. Say a company kicked you to the curb for some young 'up and comer'. Wouldn't you want to make them pay for the disservice? I know I sure would.

I wouldn't be too worried about it if the company paid me 50-100 million for my time with them. Especially if it was a "beat making" company and what I loved doing more than anything was making beats... what a good fit!

I'd actually be pretty appreciative of every opportunity they've given me, even if I ran with those chances when I got them. Around 20 million, I'd start to think about vacations and investments and how quickly I can retire using my money to work for me.

But you know, that's just me.

[gex]

Wow. :shock: I hope this isn't true. But, I must admit, it was my feeling after watching Greta's interview...

Revenge rarely works. But, WOW. This is really sad if true.

I don't think it's that sad personally. Say a company kicked you to the curb for some young 'up and comer'. Wouldn't you want to make them pay for the disservice? I know I sure would.

I wouldn't be too worried about it if the company paid me 50-100 million for my time with them. Especially if it was a "beat making" company and what I loved doing more than anything was making beats... what a good fit!

I'd actually be pretty appreciative of every opportunity they've given me, even if I ran with those chances when I got them. Around 20 million, I'd start to think about vacations and investments and how quickly I can retire using my money to work for me.

But you know, that's just me.


But if you loved making beats, it wouldn't be about the money at all.

It would be a pride thing and you want the world to know you are one of thee most pasionate and best beat makers to have ever beaten a beat. :D

And its the only thing you know how to do.

[SnakeLH2006]

The guy must have monkey tendons. It's amazing that a person who is, by all visual evidence, physically incapable of stepping on a football field can make it through an NFL season. The guy is top notch durable. It's really fucking astounding the beating that old guy can take :lol: I'll always respect that about him, probably even more-so late in his career when any normal human would have toppled over just from the arthritic pain.

Zoinks! Visual evidence that he is physical incapable? Let's not kid ourselves. You've never been in the sort of condition Favre was in last year. Not even close. Never ever ever. You can clean 135. You know how much Favre can? Probably 2-3x that much.

Is Snake the ONLY one who loves to see JH and Partial battle? It's fun and takes away anything Snake could say...kinda like 2 inept monkeys battling for a meat scrap. But, alas, Partial is right and so is JH, but both wrong.

Favre wants to play and will play till he gets dragged off the field. Revenge, no. He just wants to win and can trap beavers and mow grass when he's 45. Let him play. He's no threat to the Pack in Minn. but if he is...so the legend grows, eh? Let him play. He's off our (the Pack's) hands now. From here on out, sobeit, let the hillbilly play. He's fun as fuck to watch and did beastly in his first 11 games (crazy rating, stats, 8-3 Jets...talk of ESPN as the best team in the AFC) then he hurt his arm. If it's sound, let him play. Sounds like drama, but if he REALLY wants to stick it to TT bring it, cuz we are better in 2009 with ARod than Brett (and love both). But Snake loves the drama, makes TV enjoyable.

[th87]

If this is true, Favre is the most relentlessly hardheaded person I've ever heard of.

Even Jordan (some say he was forced out) didn't fight tooth and nail to be traded to the Knicks.

To answer Partial's question, if I felt like I was chucked out by a company (which of course, didn't happen - he left on his own), I'd want to get back at them for a while. But then I'd realize I'm an adult, and that there are more important things in life than being consumed with vengeance.

[th87]

It will be very sad to see Brett play another year. He was terrible at the end of the season last year. He is ruining his legacy and making a fool out of himself.

He threw for 6 TDs in a game last season, dont really think he is making a fool of himself. Also wasn't his arm hurt during the end of the season when he started to struggled?

Notice he said the end of last year? When the Jets literally collapsed and most of it due to Favre's horrible play.

This is a moronic statement to make. Those Jets, which were abysmal the year before whilest the Packer were great, were the dominant team in the NFL before Favre got hurt, while the Packers struggled mightly throughout the season.

While your second statement is technically true, it doesn't preclude Danno's statement either.

Favre's horrible play DID contribute to the Jets collapse. 1-9 TD-Int ratio. Of course, Favre's good play did contribute to the Jets success.

Other factors to consider include that the Jets were badly injured in 2007, and enjoyed relative health in 2008, while the Packers enjoyed relative health in 2007, while suffering from injury in 2008.

So no, it's not really a moronic statement to make at all.

[th87]

Wow. :shock: I hope this isn't true. But, I must admit, it was my feeling after watching Greta's interview...

Revenge rarely works. But, WOW. This is really sad if true.

I don't think it's that sad personally. Say a company kicked you to the curb for some young 'up and comer'. Wouldn't you want to make them pay for the disservice? I know I sure would.

I wouldn't be too worried about it if the company paid me 50-100 million for my time with them. Especially if it was a "beat making" company and what I loved doing more than anything was making beats... what a good fit!

I'd actually be pretty appreciative of every opportunity they've given me, even if I ran with those chances when I got them. Around 20 million, I'd start to think about vacations and investments and how quickly I can retire using my money to work for me.

But you know, that's just me.


But if you loved making beats, it wouldn't be about the money at all.

It would be a pride thing and you want the world to know you are one of thee most pasionate and best beat makers to have ever beaten a beat. :D

And its the only thing you know how to do.

If he was working for Timbaland and retired, and they brought in a new guy, he probably wouldn't try to cry his way to Scott Storch just to get Timbaland back. His love of beatmaking would be enough, and anybody who'd let him do that would be good enough.

Therein lies the difference.

[LL2]

It will be very sad to see Brett play another year. He was terrible at the end of the season last year. He is ruining his legacy and making a fool out of himself.

And also make an ass of himself. He has nothing to prove to the football world and its fans, but he must feel he has everything to prove to MM and TT.

[Scott Campbell]

If this is true, Favre is the most relentlessly hardheaded person I've ever heard of.

Even Jordan (some say he was forced out) didn't fight tooth and nail to be traded to the Knicks.

To answer Partial's question, if I felt like I was chucked out by a company (which of course, didn't happen - he left on his own), I'd want to get back at them for a while. But then I'd realize I'm an adult, and that there are more important things in life than being consumed with vengeance.


If Brett really wanted to get back at them, he should have played better. As it is, he just reinforced that the Packers did the right thing at the right time.

[Rastak]

I think we're a long way away from Brett wearing purple. A few things have to be realized to his satisfaction before it could happen.



1) The StarCaps lawsuit probably needs to be resolved in favor of the Williamses, since if you remove Pat and Kevin for the first four games of the season, that's going to put Minnesota in a sizable hole. The court date for this is sometime in June, so don't expect a decision out of Favre for a couple of months.


I don't completely agree with this. If they miss four games, it stings but certainly doesn't sink them. They don't play any great running teams the first 4 weeks and they do have some options with Fred Evans, who I like as a replacement for Pat Williams and getting Robison on the field more. It would be a hit but wouldn't detroy the defense.




2) Favre has to be sure that his shoulder is healed. After last season Favre passed up on some surgery that would heal his injured shoulder, instead opting to let it gradually heal over time. How far along are we in this process? He probably hasn't been throwing much, what with the injury, will he be ready in time?


Completely agree with this. Plus, knowing Favre he'll not bother showing up until he has too to, even to do the mental preperation. So it's a combination of the physical condition and his mental approach.





3) Favre has to determine to his satisfaction that he would be anointed the starter if he landed in Minnesota, since the man absolutely detests training camp and there is a non-negligible chance that in a fair competition, Sage (who is young and has upside) might beat out Brett (who is old, and declining). If there's any chance that Favre might not end up as the starter and get relegated to backup duty or even cut, he's not going to take that chance. He's a proud man, and he's got plenty of money.


Here lies the main question for me. There is no way in hell I'd declare him the starter and bring him in. Too many questions....way too many. I personally wouldn't mind him in camp, and if he's the best guy, I'd be fine with him starting. But I would absolutely make it clear to him he'd have to win the job. I would give him a heavily incentive laden contract that would pay him well as a starter, but far less as a backup and nothing if he fails to make the team. Now you might stroke his ego saying privately that your confident he'd win the job but at the end of the day I'd make him actually earn it in camp.




I do admit it would be sort of humorously ironic though that if Brett Favre is so overcome with his hatred of the Green Bay Packers that he signs with their archrival, and then loses a fair competition for the starting Quarterback role, and is cut in favor of keeping a young, inexpensive player with some upside in the backup role.

I'm still hoping though that the reports of Favre hating the Packers are significantly overstated, and that he just stays at home and enjoys the retired life.

That could easily happen. Easily.

As far as hating Green bay, I doubt he does. I believe he really does hate Thompson though and you'll probably never see him associated with the team until he's gone. Just my feeling after all that's gone down.

[MJZiggy]

3) Favre has to determine to his satisfaction that he would be anointed the starter if he landed in Minnesota, since the man absolutely detests training camp and there is a non-negligible chance that in a fair competition, Sage (who is young and has upside) might beat out Brett (who is old, and declining). If there's any chance that Favre might not end up as the starter and get relegated to backup duty or even cut, he's not going to take that chance. He's a proud man, and he's got plenty of money.


Here lies the main question for me. There is no way in hell I'd declare him the starter and bring him in. Too many questions....way too many. I personally wouldn't mind him in camp, and if he's the best guy, I'd be fine with him starting. But I would absolutely make it clear to him he'd have to win the job. I would give him a heavily incentive laden contract that would pay him well as a starter, but far less as a backup and nothing if he fails to make the team. Now you might stroke his ego saying privately that your confident he'd win the job but at the end of the day I'd make him actually earn it in camp.


Isn't this exactly what the Packers did last year, but at full contract?

[Rastak]

3) Favre has to determine to his satisfaction that he would be anointed the starter if he landed in Minnesota, since the man absolutely detests training camp and there is a non-negligible chance that in a fair competition, Sage (who is young and has upside) might beat out Brett (who is old, and declining). If there's any chance that Favre might not end up as the starter and get relegated to backup duty or even cut, he's not going to take that chance. He's a proud man, and he's got plenty of money.


Here lies the main question for me. There is no way in hell I'd declare him the starter and bring him in. Too many questions....way too many. I personally wouldn't mind him in camp, and if he's the best guy, I'd be fine with him starting. But I would absolutely make it clear to him he'd have to win the job. I would give him a heavily incentive laden contract that would pay him well as a starter, but far less as a backup and nothing if he fails to make the team. Now you might stroke his ego saying privately that your confident he'd win the job but at the end of the day I'd make him actually earn it in camp.


Isn't this exactly what the Packers did last year, but at full contract?

A couple of thoughts on this actually.

1) I think Favre thought of himself as the big man on campus in Green Bay so it doesn't surprise me if he was taken aback by the thought of fair compeition.

2) I'm not really sure that is exactly what the Packers offered. I don't think any of us know all the details as to what really happened, but I've gone on record many times as to how I personally thought the Packers should have handled it. I wouldn't have made a circus of it. It would have been rather simple.

BF: Hey guys, I have decided to come back!

MM: Great Brett, we're glad to hear that. I must warn you since you quit we installed Rodgers as the starter. Since he's been up here all offseason it would be unfair for us to move him down at this point. We'll see you in camp Brett and if you outplay him, you'll find yourself right back on the top of the depth chart. See you in August. Later.


No acrimonious conversation, no debates, no pressers. Coming back? Ok, see you in camp.

[ahaha]

This could be such a huge disaster for Favre. There is a lot of Favre hate here in the Twin Cities. Sure, most fans would put that aside and get excited about the Vikes with Favre. There would be widespread Super Bowl expectations. If he started to fade down the stretch, and the team floundered, Viking fans would turn on him in a heartbeat. I could see those last few home games being a hate fest for a broken down football legend who broke the hearts of Viking fans once again.

[MJZiggy]

Ras, I agree with both points bt it leads me to two questions.

1. If they'd said that, how do we know he wouldn't have pulled the same stunts as he was the "big man on campus?"

2. How do we know they didn't do that and he made a circus of it anyway. The team really didn't say a whole lot during that mess which is exactly what pissed some people off to begin with. You know how fans love the play-by-play.

[Rastak]

Ras, I agree with both points bt it leads me to two questions.

1. If they'd said that, how do we know he wouldn't have pulled the same stunts as he was the "big man on campus?"

2. How do we know they didn't do that and he made a circus of it anyway. The team really didn't say a whole lot during that mess which is exactly what pissed some people off to begin with. You know how fans love the play-by-play.


Well, 1 can lead to a circus so I agree it's very possible. Unless Favre was lying, he said when he called McCarthy he said "Brett, geez, you putting us in a difficult position. Geez, we moved forward. Aw, this isn't good Brett"

I think that whole attitude is what set him off on his quest. Hell, McCarthy said he needed to sit down with favre and be 100% sure he wanted to come back. Why?

Dude, show up for camp, win the job or you'll be a backup or cut. No need for the acrimony. It should have been a short conversation. Ok, see ya in August.

[sheepshead]

Everyone knows I'm not a Favre fan (the person or the player lately).

I'm hoping there is a day he realizes nobody was out to get him and they were just doing their job.

I'm starting to think this is going to happen. He could squash all of this INSTANTLY by just saying he's retired. He's letting this thing drag out. I think he's a year late going to the Vikings, but I'm sure he's better than TJack and probably better than Sage even at this point in his career when he has less than zero mobility and has a solid but nothing special arm.


I'm not going to throw darts at the guy. Done is done. Him playing for the Vikes doesn't change what I think of him. It would be a lot of fun to watch though. I kind of hope it happens. It's the right spot for him, but I don't think he's good enough and I know the Vikes are supposed to be on the rise, but AP isn't getting any better, neither is Jared Allen, neither is their OL, neither is Pat or Kevin. They don't have a lot of young up and comers. I just don't think they're all that great, even with Favre in his current state. Favre of 5 years ago, yeah, they're legit. This Favre, I really don't think he's very good so I don't think he'll make much of a difference.

Holy Shit man, how can you not be a fan of his and spend any time here?
It defies logic really.

[falco]

Holy Shit man, how can you not be a fan of his and spend any time here?
It defies logic really.

I don't think you need to be a Favre fan to be a Packer fan. I liked Favre when he was here, but man was he a frustrating QB to have.

[Gunakor]

I don't think you need to be a Favre fan to be a Packer fan.

QFT

[sheepshead]

So you guys sat every Sunday from 1992 - 2007 and said to yourselves, put so-and-so in? This guys sucks. You hated every minute? I am having a difficult time believing someone can be a Packer (hell, a football fan)fan and not admire what he has accomplished on the field and in his personal life.

[PlantPage55]

So you guys sat every Sunday from 1992 - 2007 and said to yourselves, put so-and-so in? This guys sucks. You hated every minute? I am having a difficult time believing someone can be a Packer (hell, a football fan)fan and not admire what he has accomplished on the field and in his personal life.

And this is why it is so infuriating to argue with the Brett-humpers...


I liked Favre when he was here, but man was he a frustrating QB to have.

I'm starting to wonder if you guys don't have actual filters in your brain that reject things you don't like.

[MJZiggy]

So you guys sat every Sunday from 1992 - 2007 and said to yourselves, put so-and-so in? This guys sucks. You hated every minute? I am having a difficult time believing someone can be a Packer (hell, a football fan)fan and not admire what he has accomplished on the field and in his personal life.

And this is why it is so infuriating to argue with the Brett-humpers...


I liked Favre when he was here, but man was he a frustrating QB to have.

I'm starting to wonder if you guys don't have actual filters in your brain that reject things you don't like.

They are guys, aren't they?

[Gunakor]

So you guys sat every Sunday from 1992 - 2007 and said to yourselves, put so-and-so in? This guys sucks. You hated every minute? I am having a difficult time believing someone can be a Packer (hell, a football fan)fan and not admire what he has accomplished on the field and in his personal life.

OMG Sheeps. Why do you have to be a supporter or a detractor on a player by player basis? I was a Favre fan while he was a Packer. It is not 1992-2007 anymore Sheeps. I support the team, and I am a fan of the players who play for that team. So between 1992-2007, I was the one of the biggest Favre fans there was. Ask around, people that knew me from JSO can attest to that. Hell, you were there too.

But this is a Packer forum. I am a PACKER fan. Favre made himself an enemy to many Packer fans by saying he'd like nothing more than to put 2 tallies per season on the Packers loss column just to settle a personal score with our General Manager. FFS I'd assume he's every bit as capable of letting this one go as you'd expect us to be.

[falco]

So you guys sat every Sunday from 1992 - 2007 and said to yourselves, put so-and-so in? This guys sucks. You hated every minute? I am having a difficult time believing someone can be a Packer (hell, a football fan)fan and not admire what he has accomplished on the field and in his personal life.

Sure, I admire what Favre did - he was a damn good quarterback. That doesn't mean I have to be a fan of his. I respect what Tom Brady has done, but I'm not a Tom Brady fan. Why is that so hard to comprehend? :?:

[falco]

I liked Favre when he was here, but man was he a frustrating QB to have.

I'm starting to wonder if you guys don't have actual filters in your brain that reject things you don't like.

Not sure what you are getting at here...

[KYPack]

Ras, I agree with both points bt it leads me to two questions.

1. If they'd said that, how do we know he wouldn't have pulled the same stunts as he was the "big man on campus?"

2. How do we know they didn't do that and he made a circus of it anyway. The team really didn't say a whole lot during that mess which is exactly what pissed some people off to begin with. You know how fans love the play-by-play.


Well, 1 can lead to a circus so I agree it's very possible. Unless Favre was lying, he said when he called McCarthy he said "Brett, geez, you putting us in a difficult position. Geez, we moved forward. Aw, this isn't good Brett"

I think that whole attitude is what set him off on his quest. Hell, McCarthy said he needed to sit down with favre and be 100% sure he wanted to come back. Why?

Dude, show up for camp, win the job or you'll be a backup or cut. No need for the acrimony. It should have been a short conversation. Ok, see ya in August.

MM & TT's approach was the way to go. If BF was brought back, it would have been a zoo in GB all year. The results weren't the best with that 6-10 deal, but that was the way they had to go.

One way or the other, it was the only way to accomplish the transition.

[PlantPage55]

I liked Favre when he was here, but man was he a frustrating QB to have.

I'm starting to wonder if you guys don't have actual filters in your brain that reject things you don't like.

Not sure what you are getting at here...

If you put my whole post together, you'll see that it wasn't directed at you. It was directed at sheepshead, who wrote that he thinks we all hated Brett Favre while he played for us, despite YOU saying the exact opposite.

[sheepshead]

I dont know, not a Favre fan means not a Favre fan. You could be upset with his behavior of late (which I put squarely on Bus Cooks shoulders). But that's not what the guy said. Maybe he meant something else-but its not what he said. So, why should we read anything the gay says if he cant add a bit of clarity.

[b bulldog]

The jets were bad two seaons ago but three seasons ago, they were 10-6. Two years ago Pennington had injuries and the jets played terribly. This year, Chad beat Brett and the Jets and got the last laugh. I was a Brett detractor before it was popular to be and lots that I posted than, is finally being shown so all can see now.

[Rastak]

I dont know, not a Favre fan means not a Favre fan. You could be upset with his behavior of late (which I put squarely on Bus Cooks shoulders). But that's not what the guy said. Maybe he meant something else-but its not what he said. So, why should we read anything the gay says if he cant add a bit of clarity.


He works for Brett Favre.

[Gunakor]

The jets were bad two seaons ago but three seasons ago, they were 10-6. Two years ago Pennington had injuries and the jets played terribly. This year, Chad beat Brett and the Jets and got the last laugh. I was a Brett detractor before it was popular to be and lots that I posted than, is finally being shown so all can see now.

Not all of the Favre detractors bash him for his play. This Favre detractor bashes him for things that hadn't occurred yet when you became a detractor. There's a difference. My dislike for Favre now has nothing to do with anything he did or didn't do on a football field.

But, way to step up and gloat about it. I hope you don't expect a prize or anything.

[ThunderDan]

It will be very sad to see Brett play another year. He was terrible at the end of the season last year. He is ruining his legacy and making a fool out of himself.

He threw for 6 TDs in a game last season, dont really think he is making a fool of himself. Also wasn't his arm hurt during the end of the season when he started to struggled?

Even in his 8-3 start Brett had 20 TD and 13 Ints. Remove his 6-1 game and it's 14 TDs to 12 Ints that isn't spectacular and he was getting MVP talk.

I loved Brett as a Packer. I pray he stays retired. It would be afwully humiliating coming back to the Vikings to stick it to the Packers and losing to us twice.

[mraynrand]

And this is why it is so infuriating to argue with the Brett-humpers....

I'm sure that calling them 'Brett-humpers' effectively breaks the ice and makes them want to carefully listen to your informed perspective.

[pbmax]

But, way to step up and gloat about it. I hope you don't expect a prize or anything.
Much of what Bulldog considered Brett's drop in play has been borne out recently. And he took a lot of heat for calling it early. You might disagree, but he has earned his stripes already. He wasn't looking for praise.

[PlantPage55]

want to carefully listen to your informed perspective.

That's hilarious. I have no delusions that they actually would either way.

We're talking about people that continue to disregard straight facts about Brett's poor performance late in the season and, worse yet, in the playoffs, year after year. People that believe that Favre is owed something TODAY outside of post-career accolades. Or that he is still "great" to this day, just because he will one day be inducted into the hall of fame for a doubtlessly great career. I hold no hope that anything will reach them.

[Gunakor]

But, way to step up and gloat about it. I hope you don't expect a prize or anything.
Much of what Bulldog considered Brett's drop in play has been borne out recently. And he took a lot of heat for calling it early. You might disagree, but he has earned his stripes already. He wasn't looking for praise.

Sorry, the end of his post came across as extremely arrogant. My apologies if this wasn't the case.

[Partial]

The jets were bad two seaons ago but three seasons ago, they were 10-6. Two years ago Pennington had injuries and the jets played terribly. This year, Chad beat Brett and the Jets and got the last laugh. I was a Brett detractor before it was popular to be and lots that I posted than, is finally being shown so all can see now.

Good to see you man. Things slowing down for you to the point where we can expect to see you more?

[Administrator]

man, this whole Favre thing will never end, will it?

I never thought that we'd associate Brett Favre with another franchise, but today we do, don't we?

Not sure I can stomach him in Purple, really struggle with that idea, but if it is meant to be, then it is.

I agree with the hope that he stays retired. I know it'll all be patched up eventually, but, waiting for that won't be easy.

Seeing him with the Jets was one thing, but, the Vikings? I hope not!

[falco]

man, this whole Favre thing will never end, will it?

I never thought that we'd associate Brett Favre with another franchise, but today we do, don't we?

Not sure I can stomach him in Purple, really struggle with that idea, but if it is meant to be, then it is.

I agree with the hope that he stays retired. I know it'll all be patched up eventually, but, waiting for that won't be easy.

Seeing him with the Jets was one thing, but, the Vikings? I hope not!

See, I totally disagree. I think Favre in purple would make for the best year of football ever. This year we get to look forward to the new 3-4 defense, Rodgers second year, the showdown between Rodgers and Cutler in Chicago, and to top it all off, Favre vs Rodgers twice (maybe even three times!) This should be a great year for football.

[Rastak]

man, this whole Favre thing will never end, will it?

I never thought that we'd associate Brett Favre with another franchise, but today we do, don't we?

Not sure I can stomach him in Purple, really struggle with that idea, but if it is meant to be, then it is.

I agree with the hope that he stays retired. I know it'll all be patched up eventually, but, waiting for that won't be easy.

Seeing him with the Jets was one thing, but, the Vikings? I hope not!

See, I totally disagree. I think Favre in purple would make for the best year of football ever. This year we get to look forward to the new 3-4 defense, Rodgers second year, the showdown between Rodgers and Cutler in Chicago, and to top it all off, Favre vs Rodgers twice (maybe even three times!) This should be a great year for football.



That would kick some major ass interest wise,,,,you are 100% right on that.

[falco]

That would kick some major ass interest wise,,,,you are 100% right on that.

I am a packer fan 100% - but I enjoy good football also. That would make for good football.

I am probably one of the rare few people who think it would be boring if your team blew out the opponents week after week.

[Fritz]

It will be very sad to see Brett play another year. He was terrible at the end of the season last year. He is ruining his legacy and making a fool out of himself.

I certainly agree.
It was especially sad to learn how little he was as a person.

And you've always been king of the morons here..........

Allowing you to rightfully take your place as The Queen.

:rs: http://www.instantrimshot.com/

[Zool]

It will be very sad to see Brett play another year. He was terrible at the end of the season last year. He is ruining his legacy and making a fool out of himself.

I certainly agree.
It was especially sad to learn how little he was as a person.

And you've always been king of the morons here..........

Allowing you to rightfully take your place as The Queen.

:rs: http://www.instantrimshot.com/

Owned by the old guy, yet again.

http://www.wafflecopter.com/images/copter.jpg

[HowardRoark]

This could be such a huge disaster for Favre. There is a lot of Favre hate here in the Twin Cities. Sure, most fans would put that aside and get excited about the Vikes with Favre. There would be widespread Super Bowl expectations. If he started to fade down the stretch, and the team floundered, Viking fans would turn on him in a heartbeat. I could see those last few home games being a hate fest for a broken down football legend who broke the hearts of Viking fans once again.

This is very true. Already, there are those in the sports media who DO NOT want the guy in town. There is not a groundswell of support for Favre coming to Minnesota. It would be a very ugly(ier) ending to his career if he flopped down the stretch for the Vikings.

[KYPack]

This could be such a huge disaster for Favre. There is a lot of Favre hate here in the Twin Cities. Sure, most fans would put that aside and get excited about the Vikes with Favre. There would be widespread Super Bowl expectations. If he started to fade down the stretch, and the team floundered, Viking fans would turn on him in a heartbeat. I could see those last few home games being a hate fest for a broken down football legend who broke the hearts of Viking fans once again.

This is very true. Already, there are those in the sports media who DO NOT want the guy in town. There is not a groundswell of support for Favre coming to Minnesota. It would be a very ugly(ier) ending to his career if he flopped down the stretch for the Vikings.

That was a similar sentiment in NY last year. I went to a few Jet sites last season to get the reaction by Jet fans re: BF. There was a very vocal Pennington rooting section. They felt Chad P got hosed by Jet mgt. I checked 'em out in the last few games and they were screaming for Brett's head.

Any team with rabid fans will have every different opinion under the sun. Look at PR, fer instance.

[sheepshead]

I dont know, not a Favre fan means not a Favre fan. You could be upset with his behavior of late (which I put squarely on Bus Cooks shoulders). But that's not what the guy said. Maybe he meant something else-but its not what he said. So, why should we read anything the gay says if he cant add a bit of clarity.


He works for Brett Favre.

I have hired attorneys - lots of them. The first rule is keep your mouth shut. and I never paid mine as much as Brett has paid Cook. This guy is a tool.

[Fritz]

This could be such a huge disaster for Favre. There is a lot of Favre hate here in the Twin Cities. Sure, most fans would put that aside and get excited about the Vikes with Favre. There would be widespread Super Bowl expectations. If he started to fade down the stretch, and the team floundered, Viking fans would turn on him in a heartbeat. I could see those last few home games being a hate fest for a broken down football legend who broke the hearts of Viking fans once again.

This is very true. Already, there are those in the sports media who DO NOT want the guy in town. There is not a groundswell of support for Favre coming to Minnesota. It would be a very ugly(ier) ending to his career if he flopped down the stretch for the Vikings.

That was a similar sentiment in NY last year. I went to a few Jet sites last season to get the reaction by Jet fans re: BF. There was a very vocal Pennington rooting section. They felt Chad P got hosed by Jet mgt. I checked 'em out in the last few games and they were screaming for Brett's head.

Any team with rabid fans will have every different opinion under the sun. Look at PR, fer instance.

Yes...I've been thinking that IF Favre comes back and signs with the Vikes, that after years of Vikes fans having their hearts broken by Brett Favre, it could happen all over again, except this time he might break their hearts while wearing a purple jersey...

[mraynrand]

This could be such a huge disaster for Favre. There is a lot of Favre hate here in the Twin Cities. Sure, most fans would put that aside and get excited about the Vikes with Favre. There would be widespread Super Bowl expectations. If he started to fade down the stretch, and the team floundered, Viking fans would turn on him in a heartbeat. I could see those last few home games being a hate fest for a broken down football legend who broke the hearts of Viking fans once again.

This is very true. Already, there are those in the sports media who DO NOT want the guy in town. There is not a groundswell of support for Favre coming to Minnesota. It would be a very ugly(ier) ending to his career if he flopped down the stretch for the Vikings.

That was a similar sentiment in NY last year. I went to a few Jet sites last season to get the reaction by Jet fans re: BF. There was a very vocal Pennington rooting section. They felt Chad P got hosed by Jet mgt. I checked 'em out in the last few games and they were screaming for Brett's head.

Any team with rabid fans will have every different opinion under the sun. Look at PR, fer instance.

Yes...I've been thinking that IF Favre comes back and signs with the Vikes, that after years of Vikes fans having their hearts broken by Brett Favre, it could happen all over again, except this time he might break their hearts while wearing a purple jersey...

It hasn't exactly been all roses for Mr. Favre versus the Vikings. Holmgren and Favre never won at the dome, except when Brad Johnson's head wasn't securely attached in '97, and Favre and co. lost the only playoff game between the two teams - with 4 INTs and a rather embarrassing (:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: ) anti-Elway cop-out illegal pass at the endzone by Favre that left an indelible stain on Favre's career.

[Scott Campbell]

http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/11704772


I think it's beginning to get pretty lonely over in the Favre camp. Who would have thought it - even as recently as last year at this time?

[RashanGary]

I agree with a lot of the opinions on Favre. I don't think him playing for the Vikings proves anything. It brings the topic up once again and Favre certainly deserves whatever he gets.

Good article. Favre will be remembered for the guy he really is by most. I guess that is the only silver lining in all of this.

[mraynrand]

"But he's not that smart. And his agent, some character named Bus Cook, isn't that smart either. Because if either of them had the intelligence they apparently believe they have, they wouldn't have allowed Favre to spend consecutive offseasons -- this is the third -- publicly urinating on his name. "

---------------

It was clear after 'Greta' that someone needed to do an intervention. Favre needs to let go of the hate and enjoy retirement. I'm a Packer fan and a Viking hater. Favre comes back and plays for the Vikings (which would only happen if the Vikes think they need the revenue it would generate) and I hope he gets his ass kicked by the Packers. Not for vindictiveness - apparently that's his schtick - but because he would be a Vikings QB and would deserve it.

[vince]

Wow that's a harsh article. I'm not sure I'd go quite as far as that article does, as manipulating the media and public is common practice. But at the same time, there's a lot of truth in that article. Thanks for posting it Scott.

[Scott Campbell]

Loved the comment about loathing the Vikings is like loathing your kids music recital. LOL

It's too bad he had to mention the Cowboys as an opponent worthy of loathing, when someone more familiar with our franchise would have cited the Bears.

[Fritz]

My own wish - because I'd like to remember Favre fondly, once the stain of last off-season fades - is that Favre stays retired.

Yes, it'd be great theater if he came back. It'd be exciting, too, like when you see a car wreck about to happen - who'll get hurt? How bad will it be? Will I be involved?

But ultimately, if Favre comes back with the Vikings, it would be damaging to his career. Even if he plays great, leads the Vikings to the Super Bowl, it would be seen by most people as pettiness.

As Nancy Reagan would've said, Just Say No, Brett.

[sheepshead]

http://www.videodetective.com/titledetails.aspx?PublishedId=2475

[run pMc]

Well, if he signs with Minny he won't have Cole, Cotchery, Keller and Washington to throw to.
My guess is he'd be so geeked up to beat GB that his first 5 passes would be deep balls into triple coverage to Berrian.

Favre is a good player, but it's not like he's a top 5 QB. He's faded down the stretch in the last few seasons, and is pushing 40 with a bad wing. The Pro Bowl nod he got this past year was largely derided.

I'd rather see him stay retired.

[PackerBlues]

I admit that I didnt read completely through this thread.......I just glanced through most of the posts after the name calling started. :roll:

So let me get this straight, sounds like quite a few of you don't want Favre to play in a Vikings Uninform. It also seems like the majority of the people that dont want to see Favre in a Vikings uniform, are the same people that couldn't wait to see Rogers take over as the starting QB for the Packers.

So many of you claim that Favre is washed up. Yet the Jets went 9-7 last year after Favre had roughly a month or so to learn the Offense, while GreenBay went 6-10 with Rogers at the helm......after Rogers had years to learn the system.

Favre's stats did not look to great, due in part to his bicep injury at the end of the season (and anyone who says Favre played like shit prior to the injury is full of shit themselves) Rogers stats on the other hand looked really good for a rookie QB in his first year.......due in part to playing from behind a lot, against prevent defenses.

Personally, I dont think Favre will try to come back with the Vikings. I could really care less if he did though. If he still has gas in the tank, let him play. The people crying and whining about it the most are the same dipshits that couldnt wait for Favre to leave Greenbay in the first place. :roll:
Whats wrong ladies? Afraid Favre and the Vikes would kick Greenbays ass this season? :lol: :lol: :lol: To Funny!!!

[Zool]

Play or doesnt play. I could care less. But what bothers me is the so-called Packer fans that would take pleasure in the Packers losing simply because Favre is playing on the other team. Seems you're not much of a fan at all and really just coming here to stir the pot and get a reaction from people who actually feel strongly about the team they watch/support.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Play or doesnt play. I could care less. But what bothers me is the so-called Packer fans that would take pleasure in the Packers losing simply because Favre is playing on the other team. Seems you're not much of a fan at all and really just coming here to stir the pot and get a reaction from people who actually feel strongly about the team they watch/support.

Agreed--although I think the Myers article is misleading. I don't think Favre is saying he "hates Green Bay." He hates Ted Thompson. I think it's childish and he's listenting to his brothers and hanger ons too much, but that's different than saying he hates Green Bay--which infers that he doesn't have much respect for us fans. I think that's going a bit far.

[PackerBlues]

Play or doesnt play. I could care less. But what bothers me is the so-called Packer fans that would take pleasure in the Packers losing simply because Favre is playing on the other team. Seems you're not much of a fan at all and really just coming here to stir the pot and get a reaction from people who actually feel strongly about the team they watch/support.



OOPS!!!!!! Here we go again. Now I'm a "so-called fan". And worse yet, Im just "stirring the pot".
Bite me Zool. Did I start this entire post? No, I just replied to it. Dont like my opinions? Tough shit!
I am sure that there are plenty of "FANS" out there, who dislike something about the team that they root for. For some of you idiots who like to claim to be "superior fans" to everyone else, it was Favre that you didnt like in GB. You got your wish, now quit your crying. Who the fuck cares if Favre plays for the Vikings?
Poor Poor Zool, would having Favre come back for another season with the Vikes piss on your parade that damned much? Cry me a fuckin river. :roll:

[Administrator]

Let's stay on topic Packerblues, no need to make it personal.

[Zool]

You'll come to find this is his entire gig. It gets old really fast.

[Gunakor]

PackerBlues, there's something you haven't quite wrapped your mind around regarding this whole situation. Football is not the sole reason why many Packer fans are disgusted with Favre right now. It's the way he's gone about his business lately. He turned many fans off last year when he left for New York, taking parting shots at the Packers on his way out.

Of all of those fans who were displeased with his behavior last year, most of us had let that one go. He had again retired, the healing process was about to begin, and eventually Favre would come back to embrace the franchise that made him a HOF quarterback. Threads like this one would not be created anymore, the Favre debate would end, and things would get back to normal.

So much for that happening.

This is the crux of the matter PB. Favre isn't coming back to the Vikings because he wants to win a Super Bowl. He's not coming back to prove to himself that he can still play. He's coming back because he wants to stick it to the Packers. He says it's only a beef with Ted Thompson, and it might be, but when your idea of getting back at Thompson is to beat the Packers twice per season, that inevitably affects the Packers as a team. That, and the fans that root for them. It's petty, and I'm sure even you could perhaps understand that. He wants to make the Packers - all of them - suffer, because of a beef he has with just one of them. That's his goal in coming back. Doesn't that sound childish and petty to you?

Listen, all of the Favre supporters have asked the Favre detractors here in Green Bay to let it go. Favre should be able to play, wherever he wants, for as long as he wants. He's earned that. That's fine, and I have tried to let it go. But it's tough when Favre won't let it go, and his supporters won't let it go. I have to assume that Favre is every bit as capable of letting bygones be bygones as we are. Same for you and your fellow Favre supporters. But it's no longer about Favre simply playing football, and that's why I and many others are so frustrated and upset now. It's about damaging the Packers chances of success, and that's it. That's all this is about.

No Packer fan in their right mind should support that, even if it's Brett Favre. Regardless of how you feel the situation was handled, you I would assume still wish the Packers success. How can you support Favre's desire to beat the Packers and still support the Packers being successful?

[Pacopete4]

Favre isn't coming back to the Vikings because he wants to win a Super Bowl. He's not coming back to prove to himself that he can still play. He's coming back because he wants to stick it to the Packers. He says it's only a beef with Ted Thompson, and it might be, but when your idea of getting back at Thompson is to beat the Packers twice per season, that inevitably affects the Packers as a team. That, and the fans that root for them. It's petty, and I'm sure even you could perhaps understand that. He wants to make the Packers - all of them - suffer, because of a beef he has with just one of them. That's his goal in coming back. Doesn't that sound childish and petty to you?

You don't think he is the slightest bit interested in winning another Super Bowl? You think he'd really come back to the Vikes if they were not on the brink of being at that level of play? I think you're wrong here. While some of it may be the hatred of Ted Thompson, I'm not saying that, I think he wants to go somewhere hes needed, hes familiar with, and somewhere he can win. Coming back to haunt TT is just a bonus for him as he is driven with competitive spirit and its just another way to bring that out.

[Gunakor]

Favre isn't coming back to the Vikings because he wants to win a Super Bowl. He's not coming back to prove to himself that he can still play. He's coming back because he wants to stick it to the Packers. He says it's only a beef with Ted Thompson, and it might be, but when your idea of getting back at Thompson is to beat the Packers twice per season, that inevitably affects the Packers as a team. That, and the fans that root for them. It's petty, and I'm sure even you could perhaps understand that. He wants to make the Packers - all of them - suffer, because of a beef he has with just one of them. That's his goal in coming back. Doesn't that sound childish and petty to you?

You don't think he is the slightest bit interested in winning another Super Bowl? You think he'd really come back to the Vikes if they were not on the brink of being at that level of play? I think you're wrong here. While some of it may be the hatred of Ted Thompson, I'm not saying that, I think he wants to go somewhere hes needed, hes familiar with, and somewhere he can win. Coming back to haunt TT is just a bonus for him as he is driven with competitive spirit and its just another way to bring that out.

No, getting back at TT is not a "bonus." It is the motivating factor in his return. It's the sole driving force, the only reason for him to come back. It's the only thing left for him to prove. Anything else the could be done in this league, he's already done. He's said so himself. There is no other reason for him to come back than to stick it to Thompson.

If TT retired this year, Favre would not be contemplating a return to the NFL. Do you honestly believe this not to be the case? What has he said or implied over the past year and a half that would suggest otherwise?

[Pacopete4]

Favre isn't coming back to the Vikings because he wants to win a Super Bowl. He's not coming back to prove to himself that he can still play. He's coming back because he wants to stick it to the Packers. He says it's only a beef with Ted Thompson, and it might be, but when your idea of getting back at Thompson is to beat the Packers twice per season, that inevitably affects the Packers as a team. That, and the fans that root for them. It's petty, and I'm sure even you could perhaps understand that. He wants to make the Packers - all of them - suffer, because of a beef he has with just one of them. That's his goal in coming back. Doesn't that sound childish and petty to you?

You don't think he is the slightest bit interested in winning another Super Bowl? You think he'd really come back to the Vikes if they were not on the brink of being at that level of play? I think you're wrong here. While some of it may be the hatred of Ted Thompson, I'm not saying that, I think he wants to go somewhere hes needed, hes familiar with, and somewhere he can win. Coming back to haunt TT is just a bonus for him as he is driven with competitive spirit and its just another way to bring that out.

No, getting back at TT is not a "bonus." It is the motivating factor in his return. It's the sole driving force, the only reason for him to come back. It's the only thing left for him to prove. Anything else the could be done in this league, he's already done. He's said so himself. There is no other reason for him to come back than to stick it to Thompson.

If TT retired this year, Favre would not be contemplating a return to the NFL. Do you honestly believe this not to be the case? What has he said or implied over the past year and a half that would suggest otherwise?


I'm not gonna look up quotes or anything but I know hes said he loves playing the game, wants to win a super bowl ect... I didn't say it wasnt a factor in his return, I'm just pointing out to you that its not the ONLY factor.

[Gunakor]

No Paco, you are pointing out to me that you THINK it isn't the only factor. From my perspective, when he readily admits after the 2008 season that his intentions in coming back to play for the Jets was to stick it to TT, that tells me his goal was to stick it to TT. Nothing he's said since then has told otherwise. So why should I believe that this year is any different? Really now, Favre has admitted to what I have said is true about him. Everybody knows what he said. I won't go and look up quotes either, but I know you heard what the rest of us heard. What is it that convinces you that it won't be the same this year, should he come back to play for the Vikings?

[Scott Campbell]

I get the appeal beyond just sticking it to Ted. A steady diet of Adrian Peterson and 8 in the box defenses isn't a bad setup for an older QB. He's well past the point of being able to carry a team, and he wouldn't be asked to do so in Minny.

However, he hasn't yet demonstrated an ability to transition from gunslinger to caretaker. Is Childress that desperate that he'd roll the dice on Favre? Favre has been through 3 coaches in the last 4 seasons, and 2 of them have gotten fired. He should get along fine with Longwell and Bevell, but what about the rest of their locker room? Do they mind the freak show he'll bring with him? Will he insist on playing hurt to the detriment of his team just to keep the start streak alive?

Brett brings a lot of baggage into any situation, and I'm not sure the reigning division champs need all the drama. Though looking at their QB depth chart, they just might.

[PackerBlues]

PackerBlues, there's something you haven't quite wrapped your mind around regarding this whole situation. Football is not the sole reason why many Packer fans are disgusted with Favre right now. It's the way he's gone about his business lately. He turned many fans off last year when he left for New York, taking parting shots at the Packers on his way out.

Correct me if I am wrong here....(and I'm not), but it was Thompson that sent Favre to New York for a draft pick. I tend to believe that Favre was disgusted by Thompson from the start, and that they never got along. Thompson started the rebuilding process during what may have been Favre's last shot at a Super Bowl run with the Packers. Thompson had a job to do, and I understand that. Unlike most of you however, I can put myself in Favre's shoes, and I can see why he would be pissed at the Packers. Again, if he does come back, who are any of you to complain?


Of all of those fans who were displeased with his behavior last year, most of us had let that one go. He had again retired, the healing process was about to begin, and eventually Favre would come back to embrace the franchise that made him a HOF quarterback. Threads like this one would not be created anymore, the Favre debate would end, and things would get back to normal.

So much for that happening.

So you feel jilted by the fact that Favre might come back? Again, if he has the gas in the tank, and the desire to play.......who are you to complain?


This is the crux of the matter PB. Favre isn't coming back to the Vikings because he wants to win a Super Bowl. He's not coming back to prove to himself that he can still play. He's coming back because he wants to stick it to the Packers. He says it's only a beef with Ted Thompson, and it might be, but when your idea of getting back at Thompson is to beat the Packers twice per season, that inevitably affects the Packers as a team. That, and the fans that root for them. It's petty, and I'm sure even you could perhaps understand that. He wants to make the Packers - all of them - suffer, because of a beef he has with just one of them. That's his goal in coming back. Doesn't that sound childish and petty to you?

All speculation, and your own opinions. Thompson could not have been more clear about wanting Favre out of GB, and as far as that goes, I believe that Favre wanted out of GB because of Thompson. What is childish and petty, is how the fans have reacted to all of it. If Favre wasn't good enough to play in GB, or if Thompson could not convince Favre to stay in GB as a back-up to Rogers or whatever the case.......why should any of you care if he wants to play for a team that will have him. For that matter, why should his reasonings matter to you at all?


Listen, all of the Favre supporters have asked the Favre detractors here in Green Bay to let it go. Favre should be able to play, wherever he wants, for as long as he wants. He's earned that. That's fine, and I have tried to let it go. But it's tough when Favre won't let it go, and his supporters won't let it go. I have to assume that Favre is every bit as capable of letting bygones be bygones as we are. Same for you and your fellow Favre supporters. But it's no longer about Favre simply playing football, and that's why I and many others are so frustrated and upset now. It's about damaging the Packers chances of success, and that's it. That's all this is about.

No Packer fan in their right mind should support that, even if it's Brett Favre. Regardless of how you feel the situation was handled, you I would assume still wish the Packers success. How can you support Favre's desire to beat the Packers and still support the Packers being successful?

Well, if Favre is playing for another team, isn't it going to be his job to beat the teams he plays against? Wouldn't it make the games against the Vikes or whoever, that much more interesting if the opposing QB actually wanted to beat the Packers? Can you give me the name of a starting QB who does not want to beat the team he is playing against?
Who is actually being petty here?

[Scott Campbell]

For that matter, why should his reasonings matter to you at all?


Along those same lines, why should it matter to you that it matters to Gunakor?


Favre is free to do as he pleases. Fans are free to react as they please. Deal with it.

[PackerBlues]

For that matter, why should his reasonings matter to you at all?


Along those same lines, why should it matter to you that it matters to Gunakor?


Favre is free to do as he pleases. Fans are free to react as they please. Deal with it.

:roll: ok, why should it matter to Gunakor that it matters to me......
or, why should it matter to you.............. :roll:

[Pacopete4]

No Paco, you are pointing out to me that you THINK it isn't the only factor. From my perspective, when he readily admits after the 2008 season that his intentions in coming back to play for the Jets was to stick it to TT, that tells me his goal was to stick it to TT. Nothing he's said since then has told otherwise. So why should I believe that this year is any different? Really now, Favre has admitted to what I have said is true about him. Everybody knows what he said. I won't go and look up quotes either, but I know you heard what the rest of us heard. What is it that convinces you that it won't be the same this year, should he come back to play for the Vikings?


"Part of me coming back last year, I have to admit now, was sticking it to Ted,'' he said in a rather startling admission.


Like I was saying.. part of it has to do with TT but not all of it.

[Scott Campbell]

I'm not gonna look up quotes or anything but I know hes said he loves playing the game, wants to win a super bowl ect... I didn't say it wasnt a factor in his return, I'm just pointing out to you that its not the ONLY factor.


I think that's a fair and reasonable position.

[mraynrand]

"who are any of you to complain."

We are Packer fans.

That pretty much answers all the questions doesn't it. About 90% of all the stuff relating to Favre at this point is pure soap opera:



Packer Fan #1, hearing Favre will join the Vikings: "I can't think about that right now. If I do, I'll go crazy. I'll think about that tomorrow. "

Packer fan #2 "Fiddle-dee-dee. Favre, Favre, Favre; this Favre talk's spoiling all the fun on every thread this spring. I get so bored I could scream. Besides... there isn't going to be any Favre."

Brett: "I'm not asking you to forgive me. I'll never understand or forgive myself. And if a defensive lineman gets me, so help me, I'll laugh at myself for being an idiot. There's one thing I do know... and that is that I love the Packers. In spite of them and me and the whole silly world going to pieces around us, I love them. Because we're alike. Bad lots, both of us. Selfish and shrewd. But able to look things in the eyes as we call them by their right names."

[bobblehead]

I understand that favre is still better than TJack. But honestly, I kinda hope he does go play with the vikings. The man is 40 coming off a throwing arm injury. He disdains working out in the offseason. Sorry, but I was much more upset about Cutler to the bears than I would be over favre to the vikings. This won't hurt the packers at all.

[Gunakor]

PB, put yourself in the shoes of a Packer fan for just a moment. Your #1 desire is to see the Packers win football games. One of the greatest players that ever donned the jersey of the team you support is now on record saying that he'd like nothing more than to stick it to the team you support. For Favre to get his wish, that means the Packers will inevitably lose football games. Do you see where I'm coming from now? The Packers success as a football team is far more important to me than Favre's success as an individual. I would much rather see Green Bay beat Minnesota twice every season, regardless who their quarterback is.

Again, what I think is petty is that Favre wants so badly to stick it to the our GM that he'd try to ruin the chances of success not only for that GM, but for the entire organization and everyone associated with it. That means the GM, the board, the President, the coaching staff, the players, and the fans. All to get back at one person. It's not because he's the QB of another football team that this irks me, it's that this is the sole reason for him coming back to QB any team, Vikings or otherwise. Football aside, his intentions, his goals, his every reason for coming back is to hurt the Packers.

If you had a beef with your boss at work, would you try to undermine the success of every employee at your place of business just to get even with one guy you have a problem with there? Even if you had friends who still worked for that company, who would inevitably be hurt by your crusade against said company? No, that would be petty. Most people would not take their anger with their boss to that extreme, and if they did, they would be looked down upon as being petty and vindictive.

I'm sorry. I shouldn't be ranting on and on like this with someone who can't look at this situation from a Packers perspective. I realize we'll never come to agreement on this issue, because we are fans of different entities. I wish success for the Packers, even if it means failure for Favre. You wish success for Favre, even if it means failure for the Packers. Which means there's no coming together on this issue. What's the point?

[Pacopete4]

Well, if he signs with Minny he won't have Cole, Cotchery, Keller and Washington to throw to.


Coles was brutal, he was a poor mans Antonio Freeman with a bad attitude.
Cotchery is a good #2 on any team.
Keller is an up and coming stud as a pass catching TE.
Washington as a pass catcher? Ya, he was pretty solid but its not like having AP and Chester Taylor wouldnt be a better option.


Favre would have Berrian, Rice, Harvin, Shancoe, AP, Taylor.. plenty of weapons to use and a very nice offensive line to go with that. Favre's always been a very good play action passer which is also another reason he might fit in really well with the Vikings due to their awesome run game. I wouldn't be surprised if the Vikes still dont make a run at another WR (Boldin, Ocho Cinco, Braylon Edwards) if they got Favre.

[Scott Campbell]

I'm expecting Sidney Rice to take the next step for them this year. I thought he would last year, but I think he may have been dinged up.

[Pacopete4]

I'm expecting Sidney Rice to take the next step for them this year. I thought he would last year, but I think he may have been dinged up.

ya that kid has some serious talent. I just wonder if the offensive game plan didnt really include him, and I've heard hes been dinged up as well.

[HarveyWallbangers]

ya that kid has some serious talent. I just wonder if the offensive game plan didnt really include him, and I've heard hes been dinged up as well.

I'm not sure what to make of Rice. He could be a Robert Ferguson type tease. I liked him coming out of college, but his speed isn't as good as I thought (of course, he was dinged up a bit last year). He seems to be mostly a red-zone target. Of course, Cris Carter didn't have deep speed either, but carved out a great career. They don't make many like Carter though.

[PackerBlues]

PB, put yourself in the shoes of a Packer fan for just a moment.

Here we go again. So I'm not a Packer fan because I could care less that Favre Might come out of retirement to play for the Vikings. :roll:


Again, what I think is petty is that Favre wants so badly to stick it to the our GM that he'd try to ruin the chances of success not only for that GM, but for the entire organization and everyone associated with it. That means the GM, the board, the President, the coaching staff, the players, and the fans. All to get back at one person. It's not because he's the QB of another football team that this irks me, it's that this is the sole reason for him coming back to QB any team, Vikings or otherwise. Football aside, his intentions, his goals, his every reason for coming back is to hurt the Packers.

And again, pure speculation on your part. If Favre has the desire to come back to the NFL as a starting QB, and the Packers certainly do not want him, I can think of far more reasons for him to join the Vikings, than your simple excuse of "Favre hates Thompson and wants to get back at him." (Great Defense and a HOF RB for starters.)


I'm sorry. I shouldn't be ranting on and on like this with someone who can't look at this situation from a Packers perspective. I realize we'll never come to agreement on this issue, because we are fans of different entities. I wish success for the Packers, even if it means failure for Favre. You wish success for Favre, even if it means failure for the Packers. Which means there's no coming together on this issue. What's the point?

Again, you seem to think of yourself as a superior fan, because of our differing opinions. :roll: I guess some people just like looking for excuses to look down their noses at others. Personally, I simply feel that if Favre decides to come back, then so be it. I do not wish ill of him for his decision and am disgusted by the people who do.
The players and the coaching staff get paid to beat the competition. If they were to lose to a Favre led Vikings team, then I guess that just means that they are not doing their jobs as good as the players and the coaching staff of the Vikings. Its that damned simple. No need to make a soap opera out of it by crying about how unfair it would be to the Packers if Favre came back. :crazy:

[cpk1994]

PB, put yourself in the shoes of a Packer fan for just a moment. Your #1 desire is to see the Packers win football games. One of the greatest players that ever donned the jersey of the team you support is now on record saying that he'd like nothing more than to stick it to the team you support. For Favre to get his wish, that means the Packers will inevitably lose football games. Do you see where I'm coming from now? The Packers success as a football team is far more important to me than Favre's success as an individual. I would much rather see Green Bay beat Minnesota twice every season, regardless who their quarterback is.

Again, what I think is petty is that Favre wants so badly to stick it to the our GM that he'd try to ruin the chances of success not only for that GM, but for the entire organization and everyone associated with it. That means the GM, the board, the President, the coaching staff, the players, and the fans. All to get back at one person. It's not because he's the QB of another football team that this irks me, it's that this is the sole reason for him coming back to QB any team, Vikings or otherwise. Football aside, his intentions, his goals, his every reason for coming back is to hurt the Packers.

If you had a beef with your boss at work, would you try to undermine the success of every employee at your place of business just to get even with one guy you have a problem with there? Even if you had friends who still worked for that company, who would inevitably be hurt by your crusade against said company? No, that would be petty. Most people would not take their anger with their boss to that extreme, and if they did, they would be looked down upon as being petty and vindictive.

I'm sorry. I shouldn't be ranting on and on like this with someone who can't look at this situation from a Packers perspective. I realize we'll never come to agreement on this issue, because we are fans of different entities. I wish success for the Packers, even if it means failure for Favre. You wish success for Favre, even if it means failure for the Packers. Which means there's no coming together on this issue. What's the point?

:bclap: :bclap:

If Favre were to comeback with the Vikes and beat the Packers twice, what exactly is he "sticking" to TT? TT has never doubted the abilites of Favre the player. TT will still be confortable with his guy, who became just the second player in NFL history(Kurt Warner was the other) to throw for over 4000 yards in his first year as a starter. TT doesn't regret his decision. Never will. He probably regrets how it played out, but not the decision itself. TT felt it was in the best interest of the Green Bay Packers to move on. Every thing TT does is what he considers to be in the TEAM's best interest. That is his job. Its too bad that Favre and some of his supporters are too petty to understand that.

That said, Favre wanting to "stick" it to TT so bad could end up making the Vikigs worse WITH him than without him. Childress needs to really take that pettiness seriously as he and Zygi decide what they are going to do.

[Zool]

Its not any of that PB. Its that you would take some sort of pleasure in the Packers losing. That what irks everyone who you choose to spit in the face of.

[PackerBlues]

Its not any of that PB. Its that you would take some sort of pleasure in the Packers losing. That what irks everyone who you choose to spit in the face of.

Spit in the face of? ROFLMFAO!!!!!!! poor guy.

I want the Packers to win just as much as you do Zool. Its every other topic having to do with the Packers that we seem to disagree on. I suppose its easier for you to simplify your side of any argument by claiming to be a better fan than anyone that disagrees with you. :talk:

Every year, there is some drama involving Favre. Some bash him, others defend him. When others defend him, guys like you bash them too. :roll:

Drama Queens. :bs:

[ThunderDan]

Its not any of that PB. Its that you would take some sort of pleasure in the Packers losing. That what irks everyone who you choose to spit in the face of.

Spit in the face of? ROFLMFAO!!!!!!! poor guy.

I want the Packers to win just as much as you do Zool. Its every other topic having to do with the Packers that we seem to disagree on. I suppose its easier for you to simplify your side of any argument by claiming to be a better fan than anyone that disagrees with you. :talk:

Every year, there is some drama involving Favre. Some bash him, others defend him. When others defend him, guys like you bash them too. :roll:

Drama Queens. :bs:

And you don't bash the people who chose TT's side over Favre's.

[cpk1994]

Its not any of that PB. Its that you would take some sort of pleasure in the Packers losing. That what irks everyone who you choose to spit in the face of.

Spit in the face of? ROFLMFAO!!!!!!! poor guy.

I want the Packers to win just as much as you do Zool. Its every other topic having to do with the Packers that we seem to disagree on. I suppose its easier for you to simplify your side of any argument by claiming to be a better fan than anyone that disagrees with you. :talk:

Every year, there is some drama involving Favre. Some bash him, others defend him. When others defend him, guys like you bash them too. :roll:

Drama Queens. :bs:But you want Favre to beat the Packers even more. That is the problem people are having with you and one you can't seem to grasp.

[Gunakor]

PB, put yourself in the shoes of a Packer fan for just a moment.

Here we go again. So I'm not a Packer fan because I could care less that Favre Might come out of retirement to play for the Vikings. :roll:


Again, what I think is petty is that Favre wants so badly to stick it to the our GM that he'd try to ruin the chances of success not only for that GM, but for the entire organization and everyone associated with it. That means the GM, the board, the President, the coaching staff, the players, and the fans. All to get back at one person. It's not because he's the QB of another football team that this irks me, it's that this is the sole reason for him coming back to QB any team, Vikings or otherwise. Football aside, his intentions, his goals, his every reason for coming back is to hurt the Packers.

And again, pure speculation on your part. If Favre has the desire to come back to the NFL as a starting QB, and the Packers certainly do not want him, I can think of far more reasons for him to join the Vikings, than your simple excuse of "Favre hates Thompson and wants to get back at him." (Great Defense and a HOF RB for starters.)


I'm sorry. I shouldn't be ranting on and on like this with someone who can't look at this situation from a Packers perspective. I realize we'll never come to agreement on this issue, because we are fans of different entities. I wish success for the Packers, even if it means failure for Favre. You wish success for Favre, even if it means failure for the Packers. Which means there's no coming together on this issue. What's the point?

Again, you seem to think of yourself as a superior fan, because of our differing opinions. :roll: I guess some people just like looking for excuses to look down their noses at others. Personally, I simply feel that if Favre decides to come back, then so be it. I do not wish ill of him for his decision and am disgusted by the people who do.
The players and the coaching staff get paid to beat the competition. If they were to lose to a Favre led Vikings team, then I guess that just means that they are not doing their jobs as good as the players and the coaching staff of the Vikings. Its that damned simple. No need to make a soap opera out of it by crying about how unfair it would be to the Packers if Favre came back. :crazy:

I have tried very hard to remain civil in discussing this, because too many Favre threads went south just like you are doing to this one. This is the BIGGEST REASON why I want Favre to disappear.

First, I never claimed to be a superior fan. I said I was a fan of a different entitiy than you. Different, not better. So let's discuss this topic on it's own before I get into the rest of your post. First, it could be reasonably expected of any fan who supports the Packers that they'd wish success for that franchise. Are we in agreement so far? Good. Now, you have a player - doesn't have to be Favre, could be anybody - that wishes to beat the Packers. Wants to make a point of beating the Packers. How can any true Packer fan support a player who wants to make a point of beating the Packers? I felt the same way about Darren Sharper when he became a Viking - exactly the same. But since Sharper didn't receive nearly the publicity that Favre is getting, there weren't 100 threads dedicated to him being a Viking.

This is why I feel as though we are fans of different entities. You seem to support Favre so strongly that IF he were to play for the Vikings this year, when the Packers and Vikings play each other you would root for Favre and the Vikings to beat the Packers. It's hard to look at someone who seems to have that point of view as a Packer fan. I don't mean to imply that you are less a fan than I simply because you root for someone I don't root for. Just that you are a different fan than I, who supports things I do not support, and who doesn't seem to support those things I do support. That makes us different, no?

As far as his reasons for coming back, I can admit that of course there's more to it than just wanting to stick it to Thompson. But, the fact remains - and he has admitted as much - that is a pretty driving force in his desire to return. We can disagree all you want, but it's pure speculation on your part that my statement is false. You are no more sure of your stance than I am of mine. But facts are facts - Favre has said things that hurt his case if he's trying to convince anyone that isn't the biggest motivator. Certainly you can understand why one would interpret his statements the way I have. Are there far more - and even far greater - reasons for him to want to return? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean that those are the reasons for HIM to want to return. And he's made statements that would back my stance on the issue. To be honest, your stance on this issue is the more speculative of the two, since he's made no recent statements to contridict his prior ones. I have facts to back up my feelings, you have speculation. It doesn't mean I'm right and you're wrong, but that's why I feel the way I do. It's an explaination, not a criticism.


No need to make a soap opera out of it by crying about how unfair it would be to the Packers if Favre came back.

LOL at accusing the fans of creating the soap opera...

[Gunakor]

I want the Packers to win just as much as you do Zool. Its every other topic having to do with the Packers that we seem to disagree on. I suppose its easier for you to simplify your side of any argument by claiming to be a better fan than anyone that disagrees with you. :talk:

Just so that I understand where you are coming from PB, answer this question for me. If Favre were to be the starting quarterback for the Vikings this year, who or what would you root for when the Packers play the Vikings?

[AV David]

I have deep Wisconsin roots but have been living in suburban Minneapolis for 24 years. (One benefit is it's a lot easier to get Packer tickets here.)
I liked BF from the time of that first touch down pass to Kittrick Taylor. I began to develop a respect for him as a person. I viewed him as a talented, down to earth guy who had an interesting personality and would do anything to win. I was happy he overcome the Vicodin addiction in 1996, even before he topped off the year by winning the Super Bowl. I thought his work ethic was tremendous. I thought his desire to have fun was refreshing. I bought #4 jerseys for my daughter.

I began hearing rumors of arrogance and generally acting like a prima dona about 5 years ago. I pretty much dismissed them. I thought it odd when he treated A Rod with barely concealed contempt in 2005. I gave him a mulligan. I was a bit put off by the news he demanded his own private dressing room. (another mulligan) In 2006 and again in 2007 I didn't believe the reports BF was put out because the Packers didn't want him back "badly enough". (Translation: "No body sucked up to me enough.")

When the fiasco began last April/May, I couldn't believe he sent his wife and his mother out to shill for him and generally complain publicly. That is when I began to think I had misjudged his character. At that point, the bloom was off the rose, at least a little bit. I was further disappointed with the classless and manipulative way he acted last summer, but I nonetheless found myself watching Jet games. I was hoping he could pad his TD lead over Peyton Manning.

I strongly believe BF had, and indeed initiated, improper communication with the Vikings last summer and then lied about it. (See also: Darrel Bevel) It was eye opening when he threw his ostensible "friend" James Campen under the bus last year. I became convinced his real character was not as it appeared when he called up the Lions last year. Leaving aside his feelings for TT, what about all his Packer teammates and friends? (See: Donald Driver) I began to consider whether his retirements were really just a way to avoid working out in the off season. If so, that would be the greatest indictment of this "selfless competitor" image.

The final straw is this visceral hatred that he cannot get over. Even petulant children stop throwing the same tantrum eventually. That he is so self absorbed and without loyalty says more about his character than all the PR spin over the last 18 years.

I will give him talent and toughness. However, I wouldn't walk across the street to shake his hand.

[ThunderDan]

I admit that I didnt read completely through this thread.......I just glanced through most of the posts after the name calling started. :roll:

So let me get this straight, sounds like quite a few of you don't want Favre to play in a Vikings Uninform. It also seems like the majority of the people that dont want to see Favre in a Vikings uniform, are the same people that couldn't wait to see Rogers take over as the starting QB for the Packers.

So many of you claim that Favre is washed up. Yet the Jets went 9-7 last year after Favre had roughly a month or so to learn the Offense, while GreenBay went 6-10 with Rogers at the helm......after Rogers had years to learn the system.

Favre's stats did not look to great, due in part to his bicep injury at the end of the season (and anyone who says Favre played like shit prior to the injury is full of shit themselves) Rogers stats on the other hand looked really good for a rookie QB in his first year.......due in part to playing from behind a lot, against prevent defenses.

Personally, I dont think Favre will try to come back with the Vikings. I could really care less if he did though. If he still has gas in the tank, let him play. The people crying and whining about it the most are the same dipshits that couldnt wait for Favre to leave Greenbay in the first place. :roll:
Whats wrong ladies? Afraid Favre and the Vikes would kick Greenbays ass this season? :lol: :lol: :lol: To Funny!!!

I am not sure what games you were watching last year. The Packers were in every game but 2 last year. Rodgers saw very little prevent defense in the 4th quarter to pad his stats against.

Favre played on a run dominant team. They were 16th in total offense and 9th in running yardage. Favre played well but all the talk about MVP before his injury was crap.

Here are Favre's stats thru the his first 11 games.
245/347 2,461 yards 20td 13int 10.0 yards per completion, 7.09 ypa

Here are Rodgers's stat's thru 11 games:
228/359 2,599y 17td 9int 11.4 ypc, 7.24 ypa


How is one an MVP canidate, Pro Bowl QB and the other isn't? It's called reputation.

[cpk1994]

I have deep Wisconsin roots but have been living in suburban Minneapolis for 24 years. (One benefit is it's a lot easier to get Packer tickets here.)
I liked BF from the time of that first touch down pass to Kittrick Taylor. I began to develop a respect for him as a person. I viewed him as a talented, down to earth guy who had an interesting personality and would do anything to win. I was happy he overcome the Vicodin addiction in 1996, even before he topped off the year by winning the Super Bowl. I thought his work ethic was tremendous. I thought his desire to have fun was refreshing. I bought #4 jerseys for my daughter.

I began hearing rumors of arrogance and generally acting like a prima dona about 5 years ago. I pretty much dismissed them. I thought it odd when he treated A Rod with barely concealed contempt in 2005. I gave him a mulligan. I was a bit put off by the news he demanded his own private dressing room. (another mulligan) In 2006 and again in 2007 I didn't believe the reports BF was put out because the Packers didn't want him back "badly enough". (Translation: "No body sucked up to me enough.")

When the fiasco began last April/May, I couldn't believe he sent his wife and his mother out to shill for him and generally complain publicly. That is when I began to think I had misjudged his character. At that point, the bloom was off the rose, at least a little bit. I was further disappointed with the classless and manipulative way he acted last summer, but I nonetheless found myself watching Jet games. I was hoping he could pad his TD lead over Peyton Manning.

I strongly believe BF had, and indeed initiated, improper communication with the Vikings last summer and then lied about it. (See also: Darrel Bevel) It was eye opening when he threw his ostensible "friend" James Campen under the bus last year. I became convinced his real character was not as it appeared when he called up the Lions last year. Leaving aside his feelings for TT, what about all his Packer teammates and friends? (See: Donald Driver) I began to consider whether his retirements were really just a way to avoid working out in the off season. If so, that would be the greatest indictment of this "selfless competitor" image.

The final straw is this visceral hatred that he cannot get over. Even petulant children stop throwing the same tantrum eventually. That he is so self absorbed and without loyalty says more about his character than all the PR spin over the last 18 years.

I will give him talent and toughness. However, I wouldn't walk across the street to shake his hand.Well said. I couldn't agree more. :worship:

[PackerBlues]

Its not any of that PB. Its that you would take some sort of pleasure in the Packers losing. That what irks everyone who you choose to spit in the face of.

Spit in the face of? ROFLMFAO!!!!!!! poor guy.

I want the Packers to win just as much as you do Zool. Its every other topic having to do with the Packers that we seem to disagree on. I suppose its easier for you to simplify your side of any argument by claiming to be a better fan than anyone that disagrees with you. :talk:

Every year, there is some drama involving Favre. Some bash him, others defend him. When others defend him, guys like you bash them too. :roll:



Drama Queens. :bs:But you want Favre to beat the Packers even more. That is the problem people are having with you and one you can't seem to grasp.

Cant seem to grasp it? Perhaps its because I never said it. If I laugh at those of you who cry about Favre possibly playing for the Vikes, its because I understand that the Packers have 14 other games to worry about besides the two games against the Vikings.
If the Packers cannot put together a winning record, or if they miss the playoffs, I will be just as bummed as the rest of you, but I wont be blaming Favre for it.
I think thats where you guys have the problem. You are already coming up with hypothetical situations in wich the Packers might have a losing season, and you already have your scapegoat picked out........ A guy who might not even come out of retirement. But you all just keep eating up those rumors, lol. :trll:

On the other hand, if the Packers do have a losing season..... You can fully expect for me to "spit in your face" with my opinions on Thompson and MM.

I have said it before though, and I will say it again. I think that the Hiring of Dom Capers was brilliant, and that he will give the Packers what they lacked last year......a playoff Calibur Defense. I really dont understand why so many of you are so concerned about Favre, when the team (at least on paper) seems like it should have improved considerably over last years team.

[PackerBlues]

I want the Packers to win just as much as you do Zool. Its every other topic having to do with the Packers that we seem to disagree on. I suppose its easier for you to simplify your side of any argument by claiming to be a better fan than anyone that disagrees with you. :talk:

Just so that I understand where you are coming from PB, answer this question for me. If Favre were to be the starting quarterback for the Vikings this year, who or what would you root for when the Packers play the Vikings?

Just so that you will understand where I am coming from Gunakor, I will in fact answer your question, lol.

First, I would be rooting for a Packers win. Secondly, I would be rooting for a strong show by our Defense, because I am pumped about what I feel Capers brings to the Packers.
Now to disapoint you, because I do in fact still love Brett Favre and everything that he has done for the Packers and the community in Wisconsin. I would hope that Favre would have a good showing. I am not saying I want him and the Vikings to win, I just would want Favre to have a good game that he could be proud of. Its just that damned simple.

Is it that far fetched that a guy could be a Packer fan, yet still care about how Favre does? Honestly?? :roll:

[Gunakor]

Maybe I wasn't clear, so I'll spell it out for you. It's not that I fear Favre the football player. I don't think he'd find a whole helluva lot of success against our secondary anyway. That's not it at all. I don't even have a problem with Favre's desire to stick it to Thompson, as long as that battle is fought between just the two of them and doesn't affect the 53 players currently on our roster (who had nothing to do with the decision to move on). It is the method in which Favre wants to get back at Thompson that irks me.

Favre's desired method of getting back at Thompson is to beat the Packers - which means if I were to support Favre's crusade against Thompson, I'd have to support his desire to beat the Packers. I can't do that. Furthermore, as a Packer fan, I could not support the Vikings success even when they are not playing the Packers. I hope they get beat by everybody they play this season, wether they have Favre as their QB or not. It's not specific to the two games they play against us. If Favre becomes a Viking, it's hard not to wish ultimate failure for him because that would be in the best interest of the Packers. I wish ultimate failure for every single player that dons a Vikings uniform this season, same as last year and the year before.

If Brett stays retired, I wish him all the best in his retirement. I can't wait until August 2014, when I'll be just as excited as anyone to see him standing next to his bust in Canton. I haven't forgotten all of the things he did for this franchise over a decade and a half. I was his biggest supporter over that time - there are many posters here that can attest to that. But I can't support his desire to get even with Green Bay, and that's the point I have been trying to make. Whether he was treated unfairly by Thompson or not doesn't matter, because his getting even would affect more than just Thompson.

It's not his play that turns me off, it's his attitude. He has a golden opportunity to change that image that many people - not just me - now have of him. He can let the wounds heal. He can let bygones be bygones, just as you have asked us to do. He doesn't have to get revenge on the franchise that made him the HOF quarterback that he is. He can just walk away knowing that he's accomplished everything there is to accomplish in one's career, because that would be in the best interest of everyone involved in this saga.

In future responses, PB, might I ask that you refrain from the name calling, the insults, and the idea that anyone who doesn't agree with you is just a troll looking to start trouble. There is a basis behind our feelings too. Try to understand where we are coming from. Honestly, I do understand where you are coming from too. I do believe that people should be able to make their own choices, and that if Favre can still play he should be allowed to as long as he has someone to play for. That's the football side. It's the other side that most of us are concerned with - the side where Favre says "I want to beat the Packers." I can't support him for that reason alone.

The Packers did a lot for him during his time here. It wasn't a one way street where Favre did for us and we didn't do for him. For that reason, I'd hope that if he came back that beating the Packers wasn't on the top of his priority list. It's not the fact he wants to play again (allegedly), it's the reason why. Pure speculation, of course, but not exactly baseless speculation. There is some truth to it. Again, I understand his beef with Thompson, but getting even shouldn't include getting even with Donald Driver, Nick Barnett, Al Harris, etc. That's where my problem lies. Try to understand it from that perspective, and you might find my perspective completely reasonable.

[ThunderDan]

Favre's desired method of getting back at Thompson is to beat the Packers - which means if I were to support Favre's crusade against Thompson, I'd have to support his desire to beat the Packers. I can't do that. Furthermore, as a Packer fan, I could not support the Vikings success even when they are not playing the Packers. I hope they get beat by everybody they play this season, wether they have Favre as their QB or not. It's not specific to the two games they play against us. If Favre becomes a Viking, it's hard not to wish ultimate failure for him because that would be in the best interest of the Packers. I wish ultimate failure for every single player that dons a Vikings uniform this season, same as last year and the year before.



Let's not be totally crazy. Sometimes I hope the Vikings beat the Bears if it helps our playoff position. :D

[Gunakor]

I want the Packers to win just as much as you do Zool. Its every other topic having to do with the Packers that we seem to disagree on. I suppose its easier for you to simplify your side of any argument by claiming to be a better fan than anyone that disagrees with you. :talk:

Just so that I understand where you are coming from PB, answer this question for me. If Favre were to be the starting quarterback for the Vikings this year, who or what would you root for when the Packers play the Vikings?

Just so that you will understand where I am coming from Gunakor, I will in fact answer your question, lol.

First, I would be rooting for a Packers win. Secondly, I would be rooting for a strong show by our Defense, because I am pumped about what I feel Capers brings to the Packers.
Now to disapoint you, because I do in fact still love Brett Favre and everything that he has done for the Packers and the community in Wisconsin. I would hope that Favre would have a good showing. I am not saying I want him and the Vikings to win, I just would want Favre to have a good game that he could be proud of. Its just that damned simple.

Is it that far fetched that a guy could be a Packer fan, yet still care about how Favre does? Honestly?? :roll:

No, you can be a Packer fan and a Favre fan at the same time. I don't get on people for that. Here's where my issue lies - if you support Favre the Viking, does that also mean you support the Vikings? I mean, the 14 games that they play against teams that aren't from Green Bay - even if Favre were the Vikings QB, I'd still hope they lose all 16 of their games. Not because of Favre, but because I'm a Packer fan and they are the Vikings.

Again, I completely understand you wanting to support a guy who has done so much for this team and this community. But also understand that this team and this community have done just as much for him, and then question why Favre is so insistent on getting even. They left on even terms IMO. Favre gave 16 years of excellent service to the team and the community, and the team and community gave 16 years of excellent service back to him. It should have been that simple.

[LP]

Yes...I've been thinking that IF Favre comes back and signs with the Vikes, that after years of Vikes fans having their hearts broken by Brett Favre, it could happen all over again, except this time he might break their hearts while wearing a purple jersey...


For me, this would be absolutely fantastic. It just doesn't get much better than breaking Viking hearts. And for a former Packer great to go undercover and do it from within? That's just too delicious to consider!

[PackerBlues]

In future responses, PB, might I ask that you refrain from the name calling, the insults, and the idea that anyone who doesn't agree with you is just a troll looking to start trouble. There is a basis behind our feelings too. Try to understand where we are coming from. Honestly, I do understand where you are coming from too. I do believe that people should be able to make their own choices, and that if Favre can still play he should be allowed to as long as he has someone to play for. That's the football side. It's the other side that most of us are concerned with - the side where Favre says "I want to beat the Packers." I can't support him for that reason alone.

In future responses Gunakor, might I ask that you refrain from being such a condescending pric?


PackerBlues, there's something you haven't quite wrapped your mind around regarding this whole situation.

What are you insinuating there Gunakor? That I am to stupid to see your point of view?


PB, put yourself in the shoes of a Packer fan for just a moment.

Again with the condescending attitude. Im not a Packer fan because I dont agree with you?


I have tried very hard to remain civil in discussing this, because too many Favre threads went south just like you are doing to this one.

Way to take the high road buddy. But I have news for you, this thread "went south" the second it was started. (I mean really, “Favre Can’t Stand Green Bay”?????)
Just like any other thread that involves bashing Favre or Thompson, it was bound to get heated, and the name calling started long before I put my two cents worth in. But way to try to turn it all around on me. Im such a bad guy.


Maybe I wasn't clear, so I'll spell it out for you.

Back to being condescending. Who was being insulting to whom?

[Zool]

Thank God you got your account reactivated. I almost forgot how much think of yourself.

[Gunakor]

In future responses, PB, might I ask that you refrain from the name calling, the insults, and the idea that anyone who doesn't agree with you is just a troll looking to start trouble. There is a basis behind our feelings too. Try to understand where we are coming from. Honestly, I do understand where you are coming from too. I do believe that people should be able to make their own choices, and that if Favre can still play he should be allowed to as long as he has someone to play for. That's the football side. It's the other side that most of us are concerned with - the side where Favre says "I want to beat the Packers." I can't support him for that reason alone.

In future responses Gunakor, might I ask that you refrain from being such a condescending pric?

What is so condescending about this statement? All I asked you to do was to try and see things from my perspective before lashing out at me, and then explained that perspective so you could try to better understand it.


PackerBlues, there's something you haven't quite wrapped your mind around regarding this whole situation.

What are you insinuating there Gunakor? That I am to stupid to see your point of view?

No, not that you are incapable of seeing things from my perspective. Only that you seemingly haven't tried to. I am only trying to get you to view the opposing viewpoint. Have you even considered it?


PB, put yourself in the shoes of a Packer fan for just a moment.

Again with the condescending attitude. Im not a Packer fan because I dont agree with you?

No, just that you don't seem to be a Packer fan because you continually suggest you would offer support to a division rival based on one of it's players. It's not a condesending attitude, you are simply interpreting it that way. The attitude is that of a Packer fan who does not want to see it's rivals have any success at all, regardless of whether or not one of our own greats is at the helm. Why is it so hard for you to have a debate without resorting to insults?


I have tried very hard to remain civil in discussing this, because too many Favre threads went south just like you are doing to this one.

Way to take the high road buddy. But I have news for you, this thread "went south" the second it was started. (I mean really, “Favre Can’t Stand Green Bay”?????)
Just like any other thread that involves bashing Favre or Thompson, it was bound to get heated, and the name calling started long before I put my two cents worth in. But way to try to turn it all around on me. Im such a bad guy.

You are the one who started flinging around insults. We were just debating Favre up to this point, but now I am here trying to defend myself from personal attacks from another poster. Maybe you don't realize, but taking the high road is what I and most of the other posters here have been trying to do. Perhaps you should do the same.


Maybe I wasn't clear, so I'll spell it out for you.

Back to being condescending. Who was being insulting to whom?

Well I said the same thing three times, each a different way, and you still haven't acknowledged an understanding of where I'm coming from. Realizing that it may have been me, I explained it in the clearest way possible, and prefaced that post with a statement that I was going to explain it in the clearest way possible.

Look, it appears that you are only trying to cause trouble here. I haven't once called you any names, I've only tried - repeatedly - to try and explain why I feel the way I do about the matter. Every response from you has been filled with anger, and you've tried each time to bait me into a hate filled argument I wish no part of. That you've interpreted each post as an attack on you personally is not my problem, just know that I meant no disrespect in any of them. So again, please, stop with these attacks.

[PackerBlues]

Thank God you got your account reactivated. I almost forgot how much think of yourself.

News to me. I never knew that my account had been de-activiated. (as if I care) :roll:

And please dont take this to personally Zool, but its not that I think so highly of myself, its more along the lines that I think so little of you. :taunt:

To quote an unknown admin though: Let's stay on topic, no need to make it personal. :roll:

[Zool]

Again, i think nothing of you, so I couldnt take anything you say personally. You've made the list.

[Lurker64]

Is it too much to ask that anybody who habitually stirs up shit, actually contribute something positive to the forum now and again? I mean, there are a lot of good posters who stir up a lot of shit (JH, Partial), but they manage to contribute a lot of positive things to the forum etc.

There are more than a few people who just find themselves drawn to any Favre thread and immediately start laying on the acrimony, but are never seen contributing anything of note. What's with that?

[Scott Campbell]

But I have news for you, this thread "went south" the second it was started. (I mean really, “Favre Can’t Stand Green Bay”?????)
Just like any other thread that involves bashing Favre or Thompson, it was bound to get heated, and the name calling started long before I put my two cents worth in.


That headline was lifted word for word from PFT. It wasn't editorial comment by the OP.

I don't remember any personal insults prior to yours. And I've been pretty impressed by everyone elses efforts to keep themselves in check despite your ratcheting up the rhetoric and personal attacks. We've got a brand new Admin running this site. Why don't you cut the guy some slack? Live to fight another day.

[ThunderDan]

PB-

How about this scenario.

The Packers go 11-5 and beat the Vikings twice. The Vikings finish 12-4. Because Favre "lead" the Vikings to all of those wins against other teams he severly hurts the Packers. In this case the Packers would have to win 3 road games to make it to the Superbowl, that's a lot harder than winning 2 at home.

And before you say that is ridiculous look at the 2008 10-6 Pats.

Edited: harder

[AV David]

" I could not support the Vikings success even when they are not playing the Packers. I hope they get beat by everybody they play this season ..."


I have the same feelings for the Vikings, but I manifest them in a different way. I hope they go 8-8 every year. That is the path to self perpetuating mediocrity.

[PackerBlues]

Look, it appears that you are only trying to cause trouble here. I haven't once called you any names, I've only tried - repeatedly - to try and explain why I feel the way I do about the matter. Every response from you has been filled with anger, and you've tried each time to bait me into a hate filled argument I wish no part of. That you've interpreted each post as an attack on you personally is not my problem, just know that I meant no disrespect in any of them. So again, please, stop with these attacks.

Hmmmm. I went back through all of my posts in this thread, and other than using the word "Drama Queen" in a broad term, I cannot see that I attacked you even once prior to asking you not to be such a condescending pric. Show me where I called you any names or attacked you. While you are at it, show me where I said that I wanted a Favre led Vikings team to beat the Packers. :roll:

That you've interpreted each post as an attack on you personally is not my problem, just know that I meant no disrespect in any of them. So again, please, stop with the condescending attitude.

[Gunakor]

" I could not support the Vikings success even when they are not playing the Packers. I hope they get beat by everybody they play this season ..."


I have the same feelings for the Vikings, but I manifest them in a different way. I hope they go 8-8 every year. That is the path to self perpetuating mediocrity.

This is where my selfishness comes into play. I don't wish something so grand as mediocrity on the Vikings. I wish ultimate failure for them. If there's any team in the NFL I'd hope could break the Bucs all time losing streak...

[PackerBlues]

PB-

How about this scenario.

The Packers go 11-5 and beat the Vikings twice. The Vikings finish 12-4. Because Favre "lead" the Vikings to all of those wins against other teams he severly hurts the Packers. In this case the Packers would have to win 3 road games to make it to the Superbowl, that's a lot hard than winning 2 at home.

And before you say that is ridiculous look at the 2008 10-6 Pats.

Well, ok, lets play hypothetical situation. IF Favre were to come out of retirement, and he led the Vikings to a 12-4 record over the Packers 11-5 record, I would feel happy for Favre and disapointed in the Packers.

What is the big deal? Favre is not going to play for GB again, even if he wanted to. So who cares if he plays for another team, even the Vikings?
If Thompson, McCaurthy and Capers do their jobs, it should not be an issue. At all. May the best team win!

I think the main problem about my point of view on this, is simply that people in these forums know damned well that if this hypothetical situation happens, I am going to be one of the first people here calling for Thompson's head. At the very least, I will be calling for McCaurthy's, as I didnt think to highly of him to begin with.
I think all of this is moot anyway since I am pretty damned sure that the Packers are going to have a winning season, due in large part to Capers coaching the Defense.

[Scott Campbell]

I am going to be one of the first people here calling for Thompson's head.



So how will we distinguish this "new" behavior from all your previous comments about Ted?

[ThunderDan]

Look, it appears that you are only trying to cause trouble here. I haven't once called you any names, I've only tried - repeatedly - to try and explain why I feel the way I do about the matter. Every response from you has been filled with anger, and you've tried each time to bait me into a hate filled argument I wish no part of. That you've interpreted each post as an attack on you personally is not my problem, just know that I meant no disrespect in any of them. So again, please, stop with these attacks.

Hmmmm. I went back through all of my posts in this thread, and other than using the word "Drama Queen" in a broad term, I cannot see that I attacked you even once prior to asking you not to be such a condescending pric. Show me where I called you any names or attacked you. While you are at it, show me where I said that I wanted a Favre led Vikings team to beat the Packers. :roll:

That you've interpreted each post as an attack on you personally is not my problem, just know that I meant no disrespect in any of them. So again, please, stop with the condescending attitude.

So the Packers go 11-5, go 6-0 in the division and make the playoffs and you are screaming for TT and MM's heads.

Your answer squarely puts you in a box where you are happy for Favre to hurt the Packers. To me that's putting a player above the team. Now we all know exactly where you stand.

[ThunderDan]

PB-

How about this scenario.

The Packers go 11-5 and beat the Vikings twice. The Vikings finish 12-4. Because Favre "lead" the Vikings to all of those wins against other teams he severly hurts the Packers. In this case the Packers would have to win 3 road games to make it to the Superbowl, that's a lot hard than winning 2 at home.

And before you say that is ridiculous look at the 2008 10-6 Pats.

Well, ok, lets play hypothetical situation. IF Favre were to come out of retirement, and he led the Vikings to a 12-4 record over the Packers 11-5 record, I would feel happy for Favre and disapointed in the Packers.

What is the big deal? Favre is not going to play for GB again, even if he wanted to. So who cares if he plays for another team, even the Vikings?
If Thompson, McCaurthy and Capers do their jobs, it should not be an issue. At all. May the best team win!

I think the main problem about my point of view on this, is simply that people in these forums know damned well that if this hypothetical situation happens, I am going to be one of the first people here calling for Thompson's head. At the very least, I will be calling for McCaurthy's, as I didnt think to highly of him to begin with.
I think all of this is moot anyway since I am pretty damned sure that the Packers are going to have a winning season, due in large part to Capers coaching the Defense.

So the Packers go 11-5, go 6-0 in the division and make the playoffs and you are screaming for TT and MM's heads.

Your answer squarely puts you in a box where you are happy for Favre to hurt the Packers. To me that's putting a player above the team. Now we all know exactly where you stand.

[PackerBlues]

Look, it appears that you are only trying to cause trouble here. I haven't once called you any names, I've only tried - repeatedly - to try and explain why I feel the way I do about the matter. Every response from you has been filled with anger, and you've tried each time to bait me into a hate filled argument I wish no part of. That you've interpreted each post as an attack on you personally is not my problem, just know that I meant no disrespect in any of them. So again, please, stop with these attacks.

Hmmmm. I went back through all of my posts in this thread, and other than using the word "Drama Queen" in a broad term, I cannot see that I attacked you even once prior to asking you not to be such a condescending pric. Show me where I called you any names or attacked you. While you are at it, show me where I said that I wanted a Favre led Vikings team to beat the Packers. :roll:

That you've interpreted each post as an attack on you personally is not my problem, just know that I meant no disrespect in any of them. So again, please, stop with the condescending attitude.

So the Packers go 11-5, go 6-0 in the division and make the playoffs and you are screaming for TT and MM's heads.

Your answer squarely puts you in a box where you are happy for Favre to hurt the Packers. To me that's putting a player above the team. Now we all know exactly where you stand.
If you are going to try to read into everything I say, and voice your own interpretation of what I say........could you at least take the time to make sure you are quoting the correct post?

[Gunakor]

Look, it appears that you are only trying to cause trouble here. I haven't once called you any names, I've only tried - repeatedly - to try and explain why I feel the way I do about the matter. Every response from you has been filled with anger, and you've tried each time to bait me into a hate filled argument I wish no part of. That you've interpreted each post as an attack on you personally is not my problem, just know that I meant no disrespect in any of them. So again, please, stop with these attacks.

Hmmmm. I went back through all of my posts in this thread, and other than using the word "Drama Queen" in a broad term, I cannot see that I attacked you even once prior to asking you not to be such a condescending pric. Show me where I called you any names or attacked you. While you are at it, show me where I said that I wanted a Favre led Vikings team to beat the Packers. :roll:

That you've interpreted each post as an attack on you personally is not my problem, just know that I meant no disrespect in any of them. So again, please, stop with the condescending attitude.

This is what started it.


Again, you seem to think of yourself as a superior fan, because of our differing opinions. I guess some people just like looking for excuses to look down their noses at others.

You called me arrogant without using the word arrogant. And when I tried to explain that I didn't think of myself as a superior fan, you called me condecending.

I have tried, at every possible opportunity, to defuse this. Even if the very first insult that was flung around here was you calling me condecending, that still means you flung the first insult. Even with this post, it is you who seems to like to look down his nose at others. I haven't said anything hostile in this entire thread, and you are calling me names because I don't agree with you and don't support Brett Favre's endeavor. Look at me, I'm still trying to defuse this hostility. What you see as condecending is actually me being even keeled, trying to put an end to this tired hateful argument that I wanted no part of in the first place. Yet, every time I try to be nice, try to be civil, try to take the high road and not stoop to the level of insults and name calling, there you are calling me condecending. Why is it you can't just take what I say at face value, rather than try to decipher a hidden message that doesn't exist?

[PackerBlues]

Look, it appears that you are only trying to cause trouble here. I haven't once called you any names, I've only tried - repeatedly - to try and explain why I feel the way I do about the matter. Every response from you has been filled with anger, and you've tried each time to bait me into a hate filled argument I wish no part of. That you've interpreted each post as an attack on you personally is not my problem, just know that I meant no disrespect in any of them. So again, please, stop with these attacks.

Hmmmm. I went back through all of my posts in this thread, and other than using the word "Drama Queen" in a broad term, I cannot see that I attacked you even once prior to asking you not to be such a condescending pric. Show me where I called you any names or attacked you. While you are at it, show me where I said that I wanted a Favre led Vikings team to beat the Packers. :roll:

That you've interpreted each post as an attack on you personally is not my problem, just know that I meant no disrespect in any of them. So again, please, stop with the condescending attitude.

This is what started it.


Again, you seem to think of yourself as a superior fan, because of our differing opinions. I guess some people just like looking for excuses to look down their noses at others.

You called me arrogant without using the word arrogant. And when I tried to explain that I didn't think of myself as a superior fan, you called me condecending.

I have tried, at every possible opportunity, to defuse this. Even if the very first insult that was flung around here was you calling me condecending, that still means you flung the first insult. Even with this post, it is you who seems to like to look down his nose at others. I haven't said anything hostile in this entire thread, and you are calling me names because I don't agree with you and don't support Brett Favre's endeavor. Look at me, I'm still trying to defuse this hostility. What you see as condecending is actually me being even keeled, trying to put an end to this tired hateful argument that I wanted no part of in the first place. Yet, every time I try to be nice, try to be civil, try to take the high road and not stoop to the level of insults and name calling, there you are calling me condecending. Why is it you can't just take what I say at face value, rather than try to decipher a hidden message that doesn't exist?

Hmmmmm...... maybe I shouldn't have used the word "Drama Queen" in such a broad sense. :beat: :whist:

[ThunderDan]

Well, ok, lets play hypothetical situation. IF Favre were to come out of retirement, and he led the Vikings to a 12-4 record over the Packers 11-5 record, I would feel happy for Favre and disapointed in the Packers.

if this hypothetical situation happens, I am going to be one of the first people here calling for Thompson's head. At the very least, I will be calling for McCaurthy's, as I didnt think to highly of him to begin with.


That isn't exactly what you said?

[ThunderDan]

PB-

How about this scenario.

The Packers go 11-5 and beat the Vikings twice. The Vikings finish 12-4. Because Favre "lead" the Vikings to all of those wins against other teams he severly hurts the Packers. In this case the Packers would have to win 3 road games to make it to the Superbowl, that's a lot hard than winning 2 at home.

And before you say that is ridiculous look at the 2008 10-6 Pats.

Well, ok, lets play hypothetical situation. IF Favre were to come out of retirement, and he led the Vikings to a 12-4 record over the Packers 11-5 record, I would feel happy for Favre and disapointed in the Packers.

What is the big deal? Favre is not going to play for GB again, even if he wanted to. So who cares if he plays for another team, even the Vikings?
If Thompson, McCaurthy and Capers do their jobs, it should not be an issue. At all. May the best team win!

I think the main problem about my point of view on this, is simply that people in these forums know damned well that if this hypothetical situation happens, I am going to be one of the first people here calling for Thompson's head. At the very least, I will be calling for McCaurthy's, as I didnt think to highly of him to begin with.
I think all of this is moot anyway since I am pretty damned sure that the Packers are going to have a winning season, due in large part to Capers coaching the Defense.

So the Packers go 11-5, go 6-0 in the division and make the playoffs and you are screaming for TT and MM's heads.

Your answer squarely puts you in a box where you are happy for Favre to hurt the Packers. To me that's putting a player above the team. Now we all know exactly where you stand.

I state again given the above post.

[PackerBlues]

PB-

How about this scenario.

The Packers go 11-5 and beat the Vikings twice. The Vikings finish 12-4. Because Favre "lead" the Vikings to all of those wins against other teams he severly hurts the Packers. In this case the Packers would have to win 3 road games to make it to the Superbowl, that's a lot hard than winning 2 at home.

And before you say that is ridiculous look at the 2008 10-6 Pats.

Well, ok, lets play hypothetical situation. IF Favre were to come out of retirement, and he led the Vikings to a 12-4 record over the Packers 11-5 record, I would feel happy for Favre and disapointed in the Packers.

What is the big deal? Favre is not going to play for GB again, even if he wanted to. So who cares if he plays for another team, even the Vikings?
If Thompson, McCaurthy and Capers do their jobs, it should not be an issue. At all. May the best team win!

I think the main problem about my point of view on this, is simply that people in these forums know damned well that if this hypothetical situation happens, I am going to be one of the first people here calling for Thompson's head. At the very least, I will be calling for McCaurthy's, as I didnt think to highly of him to begin with.
I think all of this is moot anyway since I am pretty damned sure that the Packers are going to have a winning season, due in large part to Capers coaching the Defense.

So the Packers go 11-5, go 6-0 in the division and make the playoffs and you are screaming for TT and MM's heads.

Your answer squarely puts you in a box where you are happy for Favre to hurt the Packers. To me that's putting a player above the team. Now we all know exactly where you stand.

I state again given the above post.
Ok, at least you are quoting the correct post this time.

I have disliked Thompson from day one. It is not a secret in these forums, and it is certainly nothing new. ("Now we all know exactly where you stand".......yeah, u got me there. :roll: )
As far as my not giving a rats ass about Favre possibly playing for Minnesota......... I'm not sure how that puts me "squarely in a box where I'm happy for Favre to hurt the Packers". Its even more of a leap to suggest that I am somehow putting a player (Favre?) above the team.

Some really nice hypothetical situations you guys are throwing out there though. I guess if they are the only way to get your point across......

[Scott Campbell]

I have disliked Thompson from day one.


Yeah, I noticed. :lol:

Anyway, sometimes I think that may influence how you view individual moves. I think its hard to be objective when you dislike someone that strongly.

[PackerBlues]

I have disliked Thompson from day one.


Yeah, I noticed. :lol:

Anyway, sometimes I think that may influence how you view individual moves. I think its hard to be objective when you dislike someone that strongly.

Very true SC. But my dislike of Thompson has not stopped me from admitting that he has the team going in the right direction, or from stating that I think getting Capers was pure genius on his part. I'm not going to rehash all the reasons I dislike Thompson, anyone needing to be refreshed on my opinions can check out my previous posts at any time. (Most of my earliest posts were full of piss and vinegar. Since then I have tried to keep my emotions in check, and tried to be a little more sympathetic to other peoples points of view. Still working on that :lol: . I still however challenge Gun to point out where it was that I attacked him or called him names.)

The story of Favre and Thompson will always be a part of the Packers history. It is a story that none of us knows all of the facts on as of yet, and we can only speculate for now. Personally, I hope I live long enough to read the books that the two of em are bound to write someday on their versions of what went down in GB during their time there together.

Sorry if I find all of the hypothetical situations being hashed out in this thread a little funny, but Favre has not even come out of retirement, and people here are bashing him for it. Think about that for a second.... bashing a guy for something he has not even done. Nice. :roll:

[Gunakor]

Look, it appears that you are only trying to cause trouble here. I haven't once called you any names, I've only tried - repeatedly - to try and explain why I feel the way I do about the matter. Every response from you has been filled with anger, and you've tried each time to bait me into a hate filled argument I wish no part of. That you've interpreted each post as an attack on you personally is not my problem, just know that I meant no disrespect in any of them. So again, please, stop with these attacks.

Hmmmm. I went back through all of my posts in this thread, and other than using the word "Drama Queen" in a broad term, I cannot see that I attacked you even once prior to asking you not to be such a condescending pric. Show me where I called you any names or attacked you. While you are at it, show me where I said that I wanted a Favre led Vikings team to beat the Packers. :roll:

That you've interpreted each post as an attack on you personally is not my problem, just know that I meant no disrespect in any of them. So again, please, stop with the condescending attitude.

This is what started it.


Again, you seem to think of yourself as a superior fan, because of our differing opinions. I guess some people just like looking for excuses to look down their noses at others.

You called me arrogant without using the word arrogant. And when I tried to explain that I didn't think of myself as a superior fan, you called me condecending.

I have tried, at every possible opportunity, to defuse this. Even if the very first insult that was flung around here was you calling me condecending, that still means you flung the first insult. Even with this post, it is you who seems to like to look down his nose at others. I haven't said anything hostile in this entire thread, and you are calling me names because I don't agree with you and don't support Brett Favre's endeavor. Look at me, I'm still trying to defuse this hostility. What you see as condecending is actually me being even keeled, trying to put an end to this tired hateful argument that I wanted no part of in the first place. Yet, every time I try to be nice, try to be civil, try to take the high road and not stoop to the level of insults and name calling, there you are calling me condecending. Why is it you can't just take what I say at face value, rather than try to decipher a hidden message that doesn't exist?

Hmmmmm...... maybe I shouldn't have used the word "Drama Queen" in such a broad sense. :beat: :whist:

There you go again with the insults. What pleasure do you get out of this? Why continue to post if your only intention is to rile up the other posters? Whatever, it doesn't matter anyway. I'm done. I don't know what I said to you that set you off, but whatever it was, I apologize.

[Gunakor]

(I still however challenge Gun to point out where it was that I attacked him or called him names.)

I did. You called me arrogant. Then you called me condescending when I politely tried to explain myself. Your response to that, once I told you what it was, was to call me a drama queen. So that's 3 times you've attacked me now.

Where have I attacked you during this whole deal that set you off on me in the first place?

[retailguy]

I don't know what I said to you that set you off, but whatever it was, I apologize.

True character right here folks. My hat is off to you Gunakor. I'm truly impressed.

[falco]

I don't know what I said to you that set you off, but whatever it was, I apologize.

True character right here folks. My hat is off to you Gunakor. I'm truly impressed.

True character is admitting you are wrong when you are. Apologizing for no reason is just stupid.

I'm sorry I said that.

[Scott Campbell]

The story of Favre and Thompson will always be a part of the Packers history. It is a story that none of us knows all of the facts on as of yet, and we can only speculate for now.



I really don't know what else we need to know. Regardless of how you feel about Ted, Rodgers is their future at QB. At some point they needed to make the move. The way the 2 of them played last year, it looks like Ted had the timing about right. He's shown an uncanny (and unemotional) knack for knowing when to part with veterans - ie Will Henderson, Ahman Green and Brett. And one day it will be Driver and Harris.

I get that you'd get a huge chuckle out of Brett making Ted look bad. I really do. But I think its unrealistic for you to expect that concept to receive a warm reception here.

[Gunakor]

I don't know what I said to you that set you off, but whatever it was, I apologize.

True character right here folks. My hat is off to you Gunakor. I'm truly impressed.

True character is admitting you are wrong when you are. Apologizing for no reason is just stupid.

I'm sorry I said that.

Well, obviously I said something in one of my posts. Nobody goes off on a tirade like that for no reason, at least nobody I've ever met. It had to be something that irked him. My apology was sincere. I didn't mean to get him so upset, and I did. That I don't know how I did it makes no difference, I apologize anyway.

[falco]

Nobody goes off on a tirade like that for no reason, at least nobody I've ever met.

Gunakor, meet packerblues.

Someone set him off a few years ago and he hasn't stopped.

[cpk1994]

Nobody goes off on a tirade like that for no reason, at least nobody I've ever met.

Gunakor, meet packerblues.

Someone set him off a few years ago and he hasn't stopped.Yeah, it was Ted Thompson. :lol:

[PackerBlues]

I don't know what I said to you that set you off, but whatever it was, I apologize.

True character right here folks. My hat is off to you Gunakor. I'm truly impressed.

True character is admitting you are wrong when you are. Apologizing for no reason is just stupid.

I'm sorry I said that.

Well, obviously I said something in one of my posts. Nobody goes off on a tirade like that for no reason, at least nobody I've ever met. It had to be something that irked him. My apology was sincere. I didn't mean to get him so upset, and I did. That I don't know how I did it makes no difference, I apologize anyway.


page six of this thread, you accused me of calling you names and insulting you. Looking at my posts prior to your accusations, I just do not see any insults or name calling directed at you. Perhaps I missed something, or perhaps you misread or interpreted something I said the wrong way.

You were condescending though, and there is no denying it. Wich is when I called you a condescending pric. For that, I apologize, because perhaps I may have misread or misinterpreted what you were saying. You however made the first accusations, not me. My "tirade" was in response to your accusations, so your not exactly innocent here.

You also keep saying that I have said that "I want Brett Favre and the Vikings to beat the Packers". Never said it, so show me where I did. I also never called you "Arrogant". Never said it, so again, show me where I did.

but.......

Apology accepted.

[Gunakor]

page six of this thread, you accused me of calling you names and insulting you. Looking at my posts prior to your accusations, I just do not see any insults or name calling directed at you. Perhaps I missed something, or perhaps you misread or interpreted something I said the wrong way.

You were condescending though, and there is no denying it. Wich is when I called you a condescending pric. For that, I apologize, because perhaps I may have misread or misinterpreted what you were saying. You however made the first accusations, not me. My "tirade" was in response to your accusations, so your not exactly innocent here.

You also keep saying that I have said that "I want Brett Favre and the Vikings to beat the Packers". Never said it, so show me where I did. I also never called you "Arrogant". Never said it, so again, show me where I did.

but.......

Apology accepted.



Again, you seem to think of yourself as a superior fan, because of our differing opinions. :roll: I guess some people just like looking for excuses to look down their noses at others.

Again, this is where it started. On page six, as you said.

This I interpreted as you calling me arrogant. It is the very definition of arrogance. That's how I took it. When I tried to explain myself, when I tried to tell you that it wasn't about me thinking myself superior to you or any other fan, you called me condescending. I wasn't being condescending, I was being polite. I don't think you less a fan than I, just a fan of a different entity. I'd try to politely explain that to you again also, but I fear I might be though of as condescending. So I won't offer an explaination here, but if you'd like one, politely ask me and I will explain it again. If not, I'd rather we just drop it here.

Did I accuse you of something prior to this? Looking back, the only thing I can say I accused you of was supporting Favre more than you'd support the Packers. And then I said that was fine, there was no problem. It doesn't make you less a fan than I. Just different. Remember? I'm sorry if accusing you of being a different fan than I is what started all of this. I honestly didn't see the harm.

[Gunakor]

You also keep saying that I have said that "I want Brett Favre and the Vikings to beat the Packers".

You never said that specifically, and if that's what you had taken away from all of this, then there's where the misinterpretation lies. Brett Favre wants Brett Favre to beat the Packers. It sounded an awful lot like you supported Brett Favre's desire for Brett Favre to beat the Packers. Admittedly, this was also an interpretation. If I got that much wrong, then I'm admittedly that much wrong. But, as a Packer fan, I couldn't support Favre's desire to beat Green Bay any more than I could support Darren Sharpers desire to beat Green Bay or Sage Rosenfels' desire to beat Green Bay or Jay Cutler's desire to beat Green Bay. Similarly, I could never support any fan who does support those players' desire to beat the Packers. That is what your argument sounded like to me. Again, I'm very sorry if I misunderstood that.

[PackerBlues]

page six of this thread, you accused me of calling you names and insulting you. Looking at my posts prior to your accusations, I just do not see any insults or name calling directed at you. Perhaps I missed something, or perhaps you misread or interpreted something I said the wrong way.

You were condescending though, and there is no denying it. Wich is when I called you a condescending pric. For that, I apologize, because perhaps I may have misread or misinterpreted what you were saying. You however made the first accusations, not me. My "tirade" was in response to your accusations, so your not exactly innocent here.

You also keep saying that I have said that "I want Brett Favre and the Vikings to beat the Packers". Never said it, so show me where I did. I also never called you "Arrogant". Never said it, so again, show me where I did.

but.......

Apology accepted.



Again, you seem to think of yourself as a superior fan, because of our differing opinions. :roll: I guess some people just like looking for excuses to look down their noses at others.

Again, this is where it started. On page six, as you said.
This I interpreted as you calling me arrogant. It is the very definition of arrogance. That's how I took it. When I tried to explain myself, when I tried to tell you that it wasn't about me thinking myself superior to you or any other fan, you called me condescending. I wasn't being condescending, I was being polite. I don't think you less a fan than I, just a fan of a different entity. I'd try to politely explain that to you again also, but I fear I might be though of as condescending. So I won't offer an explaination here, but if you'd like one, politely ask me and I will explain it again. If not, I'd rather we just drop it here.

Did I accuse you of something prior to this? Looking back, the only thing I can say I accused you of was supporting Favre more than you'd support the Packers. And then I said that was fine, there was no problem. It doesn't make you less a fan than I. Just different. Remember?

And you dont feel that someone might take offense to that? I dont have to remember, I simply have to look back at page six.....


I'm sorry. I shouldn't be ranting on and on like this with someone who can't look at this situation from a Packers perspective. I realize we'll never come to agreement on this issue, because we are fans of different entities. I wish success for the Packers, even if it means failure for Favre. You wish success for Favre, even if it means failure for the Packers. Which means there's no coming together on this issue. What's the point?

If you dont want to admit that you were being condescending prior to my calling you a condescending pric, thats fine. Blows Retails theory on "true character" all to hell though. Especially when you add up the lies that you still have not addressed.

I'd try to politely explain that to you again also, but I fear I might be falsely accused of saying things that I didnt say. So I won't offer an explaination here, but if you'd like one, politely ask me and I will explain it again. If not, I'd rather we just drop it here.

[Gunakor]

page six of this thread, you accused me of calling you names and insulting you. Looking at my posts prior to your accusations, I just do not see any insults or name calling directed at you. Perhaps I missed something, or perhaps you misread or interpreted something I said the wrong way.

You were condescending though, and there is no denying it. Wich is when I called you a condescending pric. For that, I apologize, because perhaps I may have misread or misinterpreted what you were saying. You however made the first accusations, not me. My "tirade" was in response to your accusations, so your not exactly innocent here.

You also keep saying that I have said that "I want Brett Favre and the Vikings to beat the Packers". Never said it, so show me where I did. I also never called you "Arrogant". Never said it, so again, show me where I did.

but.......

Apology accepted.



Again, you seem to think of yourself as a superior fan, because of our differing opinions. :roll: I guess some people just like looking for excuses to look down their noses at others.

Again, this is where it started. On page six, as you said.
This I interpreted as you calling me arrogant. It is the very definition of arrogance. That's how I took it. When I tried to explain myself, when I tried to tell you that it wasn't about me thinking myself superior to you or any other fan, you called me condescending. I wasn't being condescending, I was being polite. I don't think you less a fan than I, just a fan of a different entity. I'd try to politely explain that to you again also, but I fear I might be though of as condescending. So I won't offer an explaination here, but if you'd like one, politely ask me and I will explain it again. If not, I'd rather we just drop it here.

Did I accuse you of something prior to this? Looking back, the only thing I can say I accused you of was supporting Favre more than you'd support the Packers. And then I said that was fine, there was no problem. It doesn't make you less a fan than I. Just different. Remember?

And you dont feel that someone might take offense to that? I dont have to remember, I simply have to look back at page six.....


I'm sorry. I shouldn't be ranting on and on like this with someone who can't look at this situation from a Packers perspective. I realize we'll never come to agreement on this issue, because we are fans of different entities. I wish success for the Packers, even if it means failure for Favre. You wish success for Favre, even if it means failure for the Packers. Which means there's no coming together on this issue. What's the point?

If you dont want to admit that you were being condescending prior to my calling you a condescending pric, thats fine. Blows Retails theory on "true character" all to hell though. Especially when you add up the lies that you still have not addressed.

I'd try to politely explain that to you again also, but I fear I might be falsely accused of saying things that I didnt say. So I won't offer an explaination here, but if you'd like one, politely ask me and I will explain it again. If not, I'd rather we just drop it here.

That's the third time you've ended one of your posts using the sentence(s) that I used to end my previous post. Who's being condescending?

By the way, read the post above yours. I explained why it is I felt the way I did, and apologized for misinterpreting you once again.

The other quote of mine you used: It's important in any civil discussion to understand the opposing viewpoint, or it will not remain civil for very long. Point and case, this discussion. I had tried to get you to acknowledge that there was in fact a solid basis behind the feelings shared among the Favre detractors. I did not clearly understand your perspective, either, nor did you clearly lay it out there to be understood.

Again, it sounded not only to me but to many other posters like you were in support of the Brett Favre led Minnesota Vikings beating the Aaron Rodgers led Green Bay Packers, because it would prove the point about Thompson that he made a horrible decision - something that you very clearly feel is the case, so it's reasonable to think you'd take that stance on the matter. Now, that wasn't the case, but you weren't clear about that at first. And look where it led. See where I'm coming from? This is why I tried to politely explain each of my posts that you took issue with, for which I was called out by you for taking the high road. You can't make me out to be the bad guy here PB, I was trying to defuse the anger with every single one of my posts. So we disagree. Fine. Goodbye.

[sheepshead]

Favre Tells Dilfer He Isn’t Coming Back
Posted by Mike Florio on May 4, 2009, 7:19 p.m. EDT

Less than a week after “retired” quarterback Brett Favre said in a statement that he’s still retired “at this time,” Favre offered a less equivocal response to a question from ESPN’s Trent Dilfer regarding whether the all-time leading everything at quarterback might come back in 2009.

“NO,” Favre supposedly said via text.

So why does no one believe it? Heck, even Kevin Seifert of ESPN.com is risking suspension from employment and/or eternal damnation by openly questioning the credibility of Lord Favre.

But here’s the simple reality. Favre has no credibility on this topic. Not because he’s a liar, but because he’s too emotional.

Today, he doesn’t want to play. Tomorrow, he won’t want to play. But chances are that at some point between now and late June, Favre will wake up and decide that he wants to play football in 2009.

Then again, maybe he’s a liar, too. Last year, when he and agent Bus Cook were working behind the scenes to get Favre back to the top of the Packers’ depth chart or unconditionally released, Favre brushed off the reports as “mere rumor” and said, “There’s nothing to it.”

We’re not saying that this means Favre is coming back. We’re only saying that nothing he says about the matter can be believed.

[ThunderDan]

Ok, at least you are quoting the correct post this time.

I have disliked Thompson from day one. It is not a secret in these forums, and it is certainly nothing new. ("Now we all know exactly where you stand".......yeah, u got me there. :roll: )
As far as my not giving a rats ass about Favre possibly playing for Minnesota......... I'm not sure how that puts me "squarely in a box where I'm happy for Favre to hurt the Packers". Its even more of a leap to suggest that I am somehow putting a player (Favre?) above the team.

Some really nice hypothetical situations you guys are throwing out there though. I guess if they are the only way to get your point across......

Nice, with the eye roll and the "u got me there."

I wasn't trying to get anything. I just wanted to know how you would respond to that situation.

In my book, given that answer, you are a Favre fan first and a Packer fan second. And that is perfectly fine. It just not how I treat my loyalty to the Packers.

[th87]

The conflicts are simple:

1. Favre is still better than anyone the Vikings have and would make them better. No Packer fan would want the Vikings to be better.

2. Favre was made king of Wisconsin by us. There are people who feel betrayed that he would take that for granted and hurt the team that helped make him a king just to show up his old employer.

[The Shadow]

The conflicts are simple:

1. Favre is still better than anyone the Vikings have and would make them better. No Packer fan would want the Vikings to be better.

2. Favre was made king of Wisconsin by us. There are people who feel betrayed that he would take that for granted and hurt the team that helped make him a king just to show up his old employer.

I may fit into another category.
I'm just glad he's gone & the team can grow again.
If and when he plays is of little consequence now.

[Harlan Huckleby]

If and when he plays is of little consequence now.

i agree, some people have mentioned that Favre is carrying "baggage", but I just don't see it. ITs an interesting story if he goes to MN, but I think most of the fire of Favre saga has simmered down. The players and coaches surely don't give a fig.

[Bretsky]

all of this love makes me very happy to not to a mod anymore
It's good to have paco back though; need somebody to balance cpk a bit :lol:

[Scott Campbell]

all of this love makes me very happy to not to a mod anymore .......


A sincere thank you for your service. I never heard anyone ever say a bad thing about your handling of that job. I suppose that's about as good a compliment is you can get as a moderator.

Too bad the same can't be said of your draft predictions.

[Bretsky]

all of this love makes me very happy to not to a mod anymore .......


A sincere thank you for your service. I never heard anyone ever say a bad thing about your handling of that job. I suppose that's about as good a compliment is you can get as a moderator.

Too bad the same can't be said of your draft predictions.


Thanks for the kind words; as for my draft picks

When CRABTREE becomes a Hall of Famer :!: :lol:

[Scott Campbell]

i agree, some people have mentioned that Favre is carrying "baggage".............


I think the media circus alone qualifies as baggage. Though in Minnesota, that might help them sell out a few more games without having to threaten the city with a television blackout.

God help you if you have to bench the guy. Or if you don't call plays that optimize his potential. Or let him audible. Or look at him funny in a team meeting. Then you get to hear about it for 20 minutes on the Sports Reporters. I consider those things baggage too.

[pbmax]

This thread is like reading a divorce proceeding. Only more boring and self-referential.

I have been watching football for close to two centuries (way back to the time of Paul "Father of His Country and the T Formation" Revere-Brown). And I seem to remember that football is played by a number of men. Not sure the exact number, but I know its more than one.

My concern with Ted Thompson has as much to do with numbers 2-50 something than it does with the starting QB. Even putting aside the distraction, the delay and the complaining, should he have miscalculated and chosen a quarterback of less skill over a quarterback of more skill, it is still more important that he be right about numbers 2-more like 80 this time of year.

If there is concern about Ted it is that the rest of his team is not as good as his quarterback. Not the other way around. We'll probably get some answers this year. But this is the biggest question, not which Movie Actor or Country Singer Hobknobbing QB is the better passer.

If this team wins this year at a rate greater than last, the reason is not Rodgers v. Favre. Its Capers/new coaches/new talent versus the old defense. Rodgers and his offense, someone previously pointed out, scored more points than any other team in the 4th quarter. The Packer D and its collection of pad level incompetents gave up more points than any other team in the 4th quarter.

To continue this debate is sheer lunacy, by which I mean I fully expect it to continue. But if the Packers win this year, I will toast the new D coordinator, McCarthy and then Thompson in that order. And I won't even think about which QB I would have preferred. Because they are close too close to equal to make a difference.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I have been watching football for close to two centuries

:shock:

[Zool]

I have been watching football for close to two centuries

:shock:

Holy shit! Was it played on horseback originally?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I have been watching football for close to two centuries

:shock:

Holy shit! Was it played on horseback originally?

Yes. The ball was your foe's decapitated head.

[Cleft Crusty]

i agree, some people have mentioned that Favre is carrying "baggage", but I just don't see it.

I would suggest looking around his midsection and his buttocks. The extra baggage is clearly visible.

[pbmax]

I have been watching football for close to two centuries

:shock:

Holy shit! Was it played on horseback originally?

Yes. The ball was your foe's decapitated head.
:lol:

And that is why Slingin' Sammy Baugh is the best there ever was. Ever try to get a tight spiral on a head?

[Harlan Huckleby]

I never heard anyone ever say a bad thing about your handling of that job.

me! me! I did!

I wasn't exactly critical of Bretsky's montitoring, though. I don't like the idea of monitors having broad discretion, and disagreed with a philosophy he stated. I think monitors should act according to published guidelines, that keeps people from taking things personally if a monitor takes an action.

[Fosco33]

"Green Bay fan finally sick of hearing about Favre"

Noel Juarer of Manitowoc, WI was the self-prmoted, 'biggest Favre fan alive or dead." "I'd let him sleep with my wife just to say we have sex with the same woman, " the semi-delusional partial drunk announced. "Even after he retired and was traded to NY, I'd still give up all my worldly possessions just to play a round of golf, share a 6 pack and mow his lawn.", "But now, this shit is just getting ridiculous.".

http://www.theonion.com/content/search/onion/advanced?search=favre&restrict=

[cpk1994]

I have been watching football for close to two centuries

:shock:

Holy shit! Was it played on horseback originally?Actually, you have watched footbal for two centuries as well. The 20th and 21st.

[Packerarcher]

While I don't really want to see Brett in a vikes uni,I don't blame him one bit. The packers org and dumbshit TT fucked him over BIG TIME. Brett favre made the modern day green Bay packers as popular as they are(were). For TT and the Packers to disrespect him as they have IS unforgivable!!!

[Packerarcher]

The conflicts are simple:

1. Favre is still better than anyone the Vikings have and would make them better. No Packer fan would want the Vikings to be better.

2. Favre was made king of Wisconsin by us. There are people who feel betrayed that he would take that for granted and hurt the team that helped make him a king just to show up his old employer.

I may fit into another category.
I'm just glad he's gone & the team can grow again.
If and when he plays is of little consequence now.



Yup,they sure grew last year with out him didn't they.

[Gunakor]

While I don't really want to see Brett in a vikes uni,I don't blame him one bit. The packers org and dumbshit TT fucked him over BIG TIME. Brett favre made the modern day green Bay packers as popular as they are(were). For TT and the Packers to disrespect him as they have IS unforgivable!!!

You do understand, of course, that for Brett to get even with Thompson that means the Packers will lose football games. So, putting what happened a year ago behind us, would you like to see the Packers lose football games? Would our team losing football games make you happy?

[Packerarcher]

While I don't really want to see Brett in a vikes uni,I don't blame him one bit. The packers org and dumbshit TT fucked him over BIG TIME. Brett favre made the modern day green Bay packers as popular as they are(were). For TT and the Packers to disrespect him as they have IS unforgivable!!!

You do understand, of course, that for Brett to get even with Thompson that means the Packers will lose football games. So, putting what happened a year ago behind us, would you like to see the Packers lose football games? Would our team losing football games make you happy?

I think Brett could get his revenge by just helping anoter team have a better season than the Pack. I love the Packers,but with or without Brett I really beleive the Vikes will end up with a better record again.

[Gunakor]

While I don't really want to see Brett in a vikes uni,I don't blame him one bit. The packers org and dumbshit TT fucked him over BIG TIME. Brett favre made the modern day green Bay packers as popular as they are(were). For TT and the Packers to disrespect him as they have IS unforgivable!!!

You do understand, of course, that for Brett to get even with Thompson that means the Packers will lose football games. So, putting what happened a year ago behind us, would you like to see the Packers lose football games? Would our team losing football games make you happy?

I think Brett could get his revenge by just helping anoter team have a better season than the Pack. I love the Packers,but with or without Brett I really beleive the Vikes will end up with a better record again.

I'm sorry, I don't mean any offense, but I just can't believe a Packer fan would say that. Not for any reason whatsoever.

[Scott Campbell]

I think Brett could get his revenge by just helping anoter team have a better season than the Pack.


Except they had a better year than the Packers last year even without Brett.

[Ballboy]

Per PFT...flight from Hattisburg just went to Green Bay.


Just let him play for who-ever and by all means DO NOT give him that marketing deal. TT & MM didn't want him back, which is fine....but now let him play for MN......he is not the player we need to worry about, Peterson is.


http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/05/flight-goes-from-hattiesburg-to-green-bay/

[Scott Campbell]

The packers org and dumbshit TT fucked him over BIG TIME.


I disagree. Strongly. Ted did the right thing, at the right time, and in mostly the right way - despite Brett's indecisiveness and tantrums.

[Scott Campbell]

Per PFT...flight from Hattisburg just went to Green Bay.


Just let him play for who-ever and by all means DO NOT give him that marketing deal. TT & MM didn't want him back, which is fine....but now let him play for MN......he is not the player we need to worry about, Peterson is.


http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/05/flight-goes-from-hattiesburg-to-green-bay/


I can't imagine he'd threaten to sign with the Vikings unless he got the marketing deal. Even he is above that.

I think it more likely that he's headed up there to sign a one day contract so he can retire as a Packer.

[Scott Campbell]

Yup,they sure grew last year with out him didn't they.


Rodgers sure did.

[Gunakor]

The packers org and dumbshit TT fucked him over BIG TIME.


I disagree. Strongly. Ted did the right thing, at the right time, and in mostly the right way - despite Brett's indecisiveness and tantrums.

That doesn't matter. What happened a year ago happened a year ago. I'm concerned with the Packers winning football games in 2009. Favre is concerned (allegedly) with the Packers losing football games in 2009. That's where I'm at, what's going on right now. I believe both parties were initially at fault. But only one of those parties continues to drag it along, which has led to where we are today.

[sheepshead]

The packers org and dumbshit TT fucked him over BIG TIME.


I disagree. Strongly. Ted did the right thing, at the right time, and in mostly the right way - despite Brett's indecisiveness and tantrums.

I agree. If TT went along with Favre we would had the same record. Rodgers would be gone (Vikings) and and we would still be drafting QBs.

[sheepshead]

Per PFT...flight from Hattisburg just went to Green Bay.


Just let him play for who-ever and by all means DO NOT give him that marketing deal. TT & MM didn't want him back, which is fine....but now let him play for MN......he is not the player we need to worry about, Peterson is.


http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/05/flight-goes-from-hattiesburg-to-green-bay/

I think the Pack would welcome him with open arms. Murphy would be the front man on this Brett would hardly ever see TT. Long term, its the right thing to do--even for us professional pundits.

[boiga]

Just let him play for who-ever and by all means DO NOT give him that marketing deal. TT & MM didn't want him back, which is fine....but now let him play for MN......he is not the player we need to worry about, Peterson is.

We'll pay him the marketing deal no matter when he retires. The Packers can't sell Favre jerseys again until he signs a deal so it's an inevitability.

[Gunakor]

Per PFT...flight from Hattisburg just went to Green Bay.


Just let him play for who-ever and by all means DO NOT give him that marketing deal. TT & MM didn't want him back, which is fine....but now let him play for MN......he is not the player we need to worry about, Peterson is.


http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/05/flight-goes-from-hattiesburg-to-green-bay/

I think the Pack would welcome him with open arms. Murphy would be the front man on this Brett would hardly ever see TT. Long term, its the right thing to do--even for us professional pundits.

Agreed 110%.

[Packerarcher]

While I don't really want to see Brett in a vikes uni,I don't blame him one bit. The packers org and dumbshit TT fucked him over BIG TIME. Brett favre made the modern day green Bay packers as popular as they are(were). For TT and the Packers to disrespect him as they have IS unforgivable!!!

You do understand, of course, that for Brett to get even with Thompson that means the Packers will lose football games. So, putting what happened a year ago behind us, would you like to see the Packers lose football games? Would our team losing football games make you happy?

I think Brett could get his revenge by just helping anoter team have a better season than the Pack. I love the Packers,but with or without Brett I really beleive the Vikes will end up with a better record again.

I'm sorry, I don't mean any offense, but I just can't believe a Packer fan would say that. Not for any reason whatsoever.


Gunnakor,
I am looking at nothing but the facts with that statement and not drinking the Green and Gold kool-aid. Now speaking as a homer,I truly beleive the pack will have a better season than the Vikes. But the older I get i tend to look at things more factually.

[Gunakor]

While I don't really want to see Brett in a vikes uni,I don't blame him one bit. The packers org and dumbshit TT fucked him over BIG TIME. Brett favre made the modern day green Bay packers as popular as they are(were). For TT and the Packers to disrespect him as they have IS unforgivable!!!

You do understand, of course, that for Brett to get even with Thompson that means the Packers will lose football games. So, putting what happened a year ago behind us, would you like to see the Packers lose football games? Would our team losing football games make you happy?

I think Brett could get his revenge by just helping anoter team have a better season than the Pack. I love the Packers,but with or without Brett I really beleive the Vikes will end up with a better record again.

I'm sorry, I don't mean any offense, but I just can't believe a Packer fan would say that. Not for any reason whatsoever.


Gunnakor,
I am looking at nothing but the facts with that statement and not drinking the Green and Gold kool-aid. Now speaking as a homer,I truly beleive the pack will have a better season than the Vikes. But the older I get i tend to look at things more factually.

Every team starts the season 0-0. Green Bay has just as good a chance as anyone to win the division. How about a little optimism, eh? That Green and Gold kool aid is delicious this time of year. I would highly reccomend it to any Packer fan in May. It's alot easier to be optimistic in May when the records are even than in December when you are 2 games back with 3 to go. Try it. You might find a bit of happiness in doing so. Nobody likes a pessimist.

[Pacopete4]

Every team starts the season 0-0. Green Bay has just as good a chance as anyone to win the division. How about a little optimism, eh? That Green and Gold kool aid is delicious this time of year. I would highly reccomend it to any Packer fan in May. It's alot easier to be optimistic in May when the records are even than in December when you are 2 games back with 3 to go. Try it. You might find a bit of happiness in doing so. Nobody likes a pessimist.


Gunakor... NOT EVERYONE IS LIKE YOU. Man, I've read post after post from you the last day and all of em makes you seem as though people should conform to how you think about things. Maybe someone see's more talent on the Vikings roster and believes they'll be better.. who the fuck cares my man. Stop sticking your nose up at people though, its getting rather old. Have your opinion and leave it at that but quit using the "oh I cant believe youre a Packer fan" line and think you're better than other people.. its ridiculous.

[Packerarcher]

Pete,
While I agree that it get's old from people using the "I can't beleive your a packer fan" line. I usally consider the source,these are the same types that love to rip Favre and pimp TT. Without Brett the Packers would be no where the great team they are. Also without brett TT would not look like he is even a somewhat competent exec,which imo he is far from.

[ThunderDan]

Pete,
While I agree that it get's old from people using the "I can't beleive your a packer fan" line. I usally consider the source,these are the same types that love to rip Favre and pimp TT. Without Brett the Packers would be no where the great team they are. Also without brett TT would not look like he is even a somewhat competent exec,which imo he is far from.

You better tell that to Curly, Vince and Bart and the other HOF Packers and the 10 plus league championships.

[Pacopete4]

Pete,
While I agree that it get's old from people using the "I can't beleive your a packer fan" line. I usally consider the source,these are the same types that love to rip Favre and pimp TT. Without Brett the Packers would be no where the great team they are. Also without brett TT would not look like he is even a somewhat competent exec,which imo he is far from.


Respect the opinion but my beef isnt that TT doesnt know talent. He's pretty good on the drafting aspect of football. Could he be better, well yes. He really hasn't hit on that dominating player yet but maybe thats Raji or Matthews or someone else. My problem with TT has been the aspect of not adding missing pieces in other ways. People wanna throw out excuse after excuse for him but he has a losing record. He has had plenty of time now to win and if he doesnt, he should be gone. The Favre fiasco was just my breaking point about TT because you just don't do what he did. But we'll that that subject alone.

[ThunderDan]

Pete,
While I agree that it get's old from people using the "I can't beleive your a packer fan" line. I usally consider the source,these are the same types that love to rip Favre and pimp TT. Without Brett the Packers would be no where the great team they are. Also without brett TT would not look like he is even a somewhat competent exec,which imo he is far from.

That's why GB is called Titletown, because of the last 17 years. :roll: Hell, not even the last 30 years.

[bobblehead]

Pete,
While I agree that it get's old from people using the "I can't beleive your a packer fan" line. I usally consider the source,these are the same types that love to rip Favre and pimp TT. Without Brett the Packers would be no where the great team they are. Also without brett TT would not look like he is even a somewhat competent exec,which imo he is far from.

You better tell that to Curly, Vince and Bart and the other HOF Packers and the 10 plus league championships.

Beat me to it...archer, that was spoken like a true snot nosed know it all young punk with no concept of history.

[Pacopete4]

That's why GB is called Titletown, because of the last 17 years. :roll:

He no ones dissing the Packers of the old but come on, this team wasn't even on the map anymore before Brett/Holmy/Wolf got here. Ya we had a couple exciting players but the national media coulda gave two shits less about us. Favre and Co. brought this team back to mattering to a lot of people and re-energized a city/state/nation of Packer fans. If you don't wanna realize that, then just wait til this team goes bad again sometime in the future and you'll wish we were in the 90's again.

[Gunakor]

Every team starts the season 0-0. Green Bay has just as good a chance as anyone to win the division. How about a little optimism, eh? That Green and Gold kool aid is delicious this time of year. I would highly reccomend it to any Packer fan in May. It's alot easier to be optimistic in May when the records are even than in December when you are 2 games back with 3 to go. Try it. You might find a bit of happiness in doing so. Nobody likes a pessimist.


Gunakor... NOT EVERYONE IS LIKE YOU. Man, I've read post after post from you the last day and all of em makes you seem as though people should conform to how you think about things. Maybe someone see's more talent on the Vikings roster and believes they'll be better.. who the fuck cares my man. Stop sticking your nose up at people though, its getting rather old. Have your opinion and leave it at that but quit using the "oh I cant believe youre a Packer fan" line and think you're better than other people.. its ridiculous.

I never said nor implied that I was better than anyone else. I just asked that people keep their comments positive, because I don't come here to read a bunch of crap about how the Packers aren't good enough or how Brett is gonna make us feel sorry for letting him go. But, for you, I will disappear for awhile. See everyone in August when there's something better to talk about than how much better the goddamn Vikings are than us, or how Favre is going to prove his point. Peace.

[Pacopete4]

Every team starts the season 0-0. Green Bay has just as good a chance as anyone to win the division. How about a little optimism, eh? That Green and Gold kool aid is delicious this time of year. I would highly reccomend it to any Packer fan in May. It's alot easier to be optimistic in May when the records are even than in December when you are 2 games back with 3 to go. Try it. You might find a bit of happiness in doing so. Nobody likes a pessimist.


Gunakor... NOT EVERYONE IS LIKE YOU. Man, I've read post after post from you the last day and all of em makes you seem as though people should conform to how you think about things. Maybe someone see's more talent on the Vikings roster and believes they'll be better.. who the fuck cares my man. Stop sticking your nose up at people though, its getting rather old. Have your opinion and leave it at that but quit using the "oh I cant believe youre a Packer fan" line and think you're better than other people.. its ridiculous.

I never said nor implied that I was better than anyone else. I just asked that people keep their comments positive, because I don't come here to read a bunch of crap about how the Packers aren't good enough or how Brett is gonna make us feel sorry for letting him go. But, for you, I will disappear for awhile. See everyone in August when there's something better to talk about than how much better the goddamn Vikings are than us, or how Favre is going to prove his point. Peace.

Thank you

[falco]

I never said nor implied that I was better than anyone else. I just asked that people keep their comments positive, because I don't come here to read a bunch of crap about how the Packers aren't good enough or how Brett is gonna make us feel sorry for letting him go. But, for you, I will disappear for awhile. See everyone in August when there's something better to talk about than how much better the goddamn Vikings are than us, or how Favre is going to prove his point. Peace.

Wow man, good riddance.

There was no need for you jump all over packerarcher. I disagree with most of what he says, but just because he's a packer fan doesn't mean he has to be a complete homer. If you are leaving because you don't want to read someone post that they think the vikings have a better team than us right now, that is your problem.

[Lurker64]

I think Gunakor has been more than reasonable in this thread, and the forum is lessened for his departure. I think people jumping all over him are frankly being ridiculous. How thin skinned are we?

[Zool]

I think Gunakor has been more than reasonable in this thread, and the forum is lessened for his departure. I think people jumping all over him are frankly being ridiculous. How thin skinned are we?

Some people do not take differing opinions well. Gunk was stating his opinion same as everyone else.

Don't stay gone too long G....we need ya and your good attitude around here. Its lacking.

[Pacopete4]

I think Gunakor has been more than reasonable in this thread, and the forum is lessened for his departure. I think people jumping all over him are frankly being ridiculous. How thin skinned are we?

Some people do not take differing opinions well. Gunk was stating his opinion same as everyone else.

Don't stay gone too long G....we need ya and your good attitude around here. Its lacking.


His opinion wasnt the problem in my eyes. It was that his opinion was the only way you can be a "Packer fan" that was the problem. So what if people differ on opinions, thats gonna happen. It was his stuck up attitude that I, nor did a couple take a liking to. He didn't have to leave, that was his own choice.

[Zool]

I think Gunakor has been more than reasonable in this thread, and the forum is lessened for his departure. I think people jumping all over him are frankly being ridiculous. How thin skinned are we?

Some people do not take differing opinions well. Gunk was stating his opinion same as everyone else.

Don't stay gone too long G....we need ya and your good attitude around here. Its lacking.

He didn't have to leave, that was his own choice.

Right, which is why I hope he comes back soon. I much prefer to read educated level headed posts which he has in spades.

Also have you noticed since all this BS bitching and bickering that Waldo has been rarely heard from? All this shit drives a lot of (IMO) good posters away. I've been saying this for like 2 years now.

[Gunakor]

I never said nor implied that I was better than anyone else. I just asked that people keep their comments positive, because I don't come here to read a bunch of crap about how the Packers aren't good enough or how Brett is gonna make us feel sorry for letting him go. But, for you, I will disappear for awhile. See everyone in August when there's something better to talk about than how much better the goddamn Vikings are than us, or how Favre is going to prove his point. Peace.

Wow man, good riddance.

There was no need for you jump all over packerarcher. I disagree with most of what he says, but just because he's a packer fan doesn't mean he has to be a complete homer. If you are leaving because you don't want to read someone post that they think the vikings have a better team than us right now, that is your problem.

For the record, I don't see how or where I jumped all over Packerarcher. I didn't realize that asking people to be optimistic was such a problem. I really didn't. I apologize if I've personally offended anyone by asking for that. It certainly wasn't my intention.

I just thought, if everyone could remain optimistic, that there'd be no bickering or arguing like there has been the last couple of days.

[Lurker64]

His opinion wasnt the problem in my eyes. It was that his opinion was the only way you can be a "Packer fan" that was the problem. So what if people differ on opinions, thats gonna happen. It was his stuck up attitude that I, nor did a couple take a liking to. He didn't have to leave, that was his own choice.

I think he was more trying to point out a potential inconsistency in other people's way of thinking. If Brett Favre really, intensely, wants revenge on the Green Bay Packers to the point that he's going to play for an archrival just for 2 shots at his old team, it does set up some situations where it's impossible to support both Favre and the Packers.

It's not much of a stretch to say that to be a true Packer fan, you have to want the Packers to win their games.

[Pacopete4]

His opinion wasnt the problem in my eyes. It was that his opinion was the only way you can be a "Packer fan" that was the problem. So what if people differ on opinions, thats gonna happen. It was his stuck up attitude that I, nor did a couple take a liking to. He didn't have to leave, that was his own choice.

I think he was more trying to point out a potential inconsistency in other people's way of thinking. If Brett Favre really, intensely, wants revenge on the Green Bay Packers to the point that he's going to play for an archrival just for 2 shots at his old team, it does set up some situations where it's impossible to support both Favre and the Packers.

It's not much of a stretch to say that to be a true Packer fan, you have to want the Packers to win their games.


Maybe there are those who want the packers to win their games but can also look at a roster and say oh, they are probably more talented than us. Why is that a hard concept to think outside the Green Bay Packers? Why can we not have a discussion and if someone says one bad thing about the Pack, we are fighting. That doesnt have to be the case but for oversensitive Packer fans, it is. Hell, I think the Vikings are going to have a better team this season, does that make me less of a Packer fan? Does that mean I dont want the Packers to win all 16+ games this season? Its completely stupid to think that just because some posters think everything has to have a positive spin, we can't have a discussion on the message boards.

[ThunderDan]

That's why GB is called Titletown, because of the last 17 years. :roll:

He no ones dissing the Packers of the old but come on, this team wasn't even on the map anymore before Brett/Holmy/Wolf got here. Ya we had a couple exciting players but the national media coulda gave two shits less about us. Favre and Co. brought this team back to mattering to a lot of people and re-energized a city/state/nation of Packer fans. If you don't wanna realize that, then just wait til this team goes bad again sometime in the future and you'll wish we were in the 90's again.

Since I have basically watched every Packer game from the 70s on, I know a hell of a lot more about sucky Packer teames than you do. Two losing seasons in the last four isn't anything but a bump in the road. The Packers had 4 winning seasons total in the 70s and 80s.

[Pacopete4]

That's why GB is called Titletown, because of the last 17 years. :roll:

He no ones dissing the Packers of the old but come on, this team wasn't even on the map anymore before Brett/Holmy/Wolf got here. Ya we had a couple exciting players but the national media coulda gave two shits less about us. Favre and Co. brought this team back to mattering to a lot of people and re-energized a city/state/nation of Packer fans. If you don't wanna realize that, then just wait til this team goes bad again sometime in the future and you'll wish we were in the 90's again.

Since I have basically watched every Packer game from the 70s on, I know a hell of a lot more about sucky Packer teames than you do. Two losing seasons in the last four isn't anything but a bump in the road. The Packers had 4 winning seasons total in the 70s and 80s.


What are your standards that make it more of a bump in the road? 10 losing seasons? 20?... sorry I dont stand for losing and theres no reason for it in todays NFL to lose 2 of 4

[Scott Campbell]

It was just Deanna on the flight.


http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/05/a-favre-was-in-green-bay-after-all/

[ThunderDan]

He no ones dissing the Packers of the old but come on, this team wasn't even on the map anymore before Brett/Holmy/Wolf got here. Ya we had a couple exciting players but the national media coulda gave two shits less about us. Favre and Co. brought this team back to mattering to a lot of people and re-energized a city/state/nation of Packer fans. If you don't wanna realize that, then just wait til this team goes bad again sometime in the future and you'll wish we were in the 90's again.

So you don't think Brunnel, Brooks, Hasselbeck and Detmer could have won with the 1996 defense?

Look, I loved Favre as a Packer. I would have brought him back in 2008 if the whole thing wouldn't have blown up. But Favre was only one "big" piece of the Packers puzzle.

[Pacopete4]

He no ones dissing the Packers of the old but come on, this team wasn't even on the map anymore before Brett/Holmy/Wolf got here. Ya we had a couple exciting players but the national media coulda gave two shits less about us. Favre and Co. brought this team back to mattering to a lot of people and re-energized a city/state/nation of Packer fans. If you don't wanna realize that, then just wait til this team goes bad again sometime in the future and you'll wish we were in the 90's again.

So you don't think Brunnel, Brooks, Hasselbeck and Detmer could have won with the 1996 defense?

Look, I loved Favre as a Packer. I would have brought him back in 2008 if the whole thing wouldn't have blown up. But Favre was only one "big" piece of the Packers puzzle.


Kinda the reason I said Favre and Co...... did I not?

[ThunderDan]

That's why GB is called Titletown, because of the last 17 years. :roll:

He no ones dissing the Packers of the old but come on, this team wasn't even on the map anymore before Brett/Holmy/Wolf got here. Ya we had a couple exciting players but the national media coulda gave two shits less about us. Favre and Co. brought this team back to mattering to a lot of people and re-energized a city/state/nation of Packer fans. If you don't wanna realize that, then just wait til this team goes bad again sometime in the future and you'll wish we were in the 90's again.

Since I have basically watched every Packer game from the 70s on, I know a hell of a lot more about sucky Packer teames than you do. Two losing seasons in the last four isn't anything but a bump in the road. The Packers had 4 winning seasons total in the 70s and 80s.


What are your standards that make it more of a bump in the road? 10 losing seasons? 20?... sorry I dont stand for losing and theres no reason for it in todays NFL to lose 2 of 4

Let's see in the 70s it was a season lifting accomplishment to beat the Bears. That was a successful season in the 70s, seriously. We all new at the beginning of the season there was no way the Packers would compete for the NFL crown or even the playoffs. We weren't as bad as the Lions are today but it was close.

There isn't? The team had very little talent or depth four years ago and was cap strapped. We had to let Rivera and Wahle walk because we had no cap room. 2005 was inevitable. We were going to have a bad year to clean house. Last year we had a lot of injuries to key defensive players and we had the most predictable defense in the whole league. We were still very close to a 10-6 season.

I feel TT has done a very good job of turning the team around. He now needs to produce. If we aren't successful in the next two years I'll say it's time to move on. But it took him two years to change the roster and now those guys are maturing. We will see if he was right or wrong.

[ThunderDan]

He no ones dissing the Packers of the old but come on, this team wasn't even on the map anymore before Brett/Holmy/Wolf got here. Ya we had a couple exciting players but the national media coulda gave two shits less about us. Favre and Co. brought this team back to mattering to a lot of people and re-energized a city/state/nation of Packer fans. If you don't wanna realize that, then just wait til this team goes bad again sometime in the future and you'll wish we were in the 90's again.

So you don't think Brunnel, Brooks, Hasselbeck and Detmer could have won with the 1996 defense?

Look, I loved Favre as a Packer. I would have brought him back in 2008 if the whole thing wouldn't have blown up. But Favre was only one "big" piece of the Packers puzzle.


Kinda the reason I said Favre and Co...... did I not?

I would say Wolf/Holmgreen taught up a lot of good QBs. Brett's amazing durability made them have to produce for other teams. There were calls for Brett's head at the beginning of his career with the Packers.

[mission]

Nothing like an argument with Pacopete ...





Can't say I've missed them at all... too bad for the pardons. :o

[sheepshead]

Nothing like an argument with Pacopete ...





Can't say I've missed them at all... too bad for the pardons. :o

LOL- It's like that scene in Ghostbusters when they let all the spooks out of the basement vault in NYC! They start trouble all over the city and run amuck.

[Pacopete4]

Nothing like an argument with Pacopete ...





Can't say I've missed them at all... too bad for the pardons. :o

LOL- It's like that scene in Ghostbusters when they let all the spooks out of the basement vault in NYC! They start trouble all over the city and run amuck.


Whoa, whoa, whoa.. I'm not even really arguin here. Why do you guys have to go there? We were talking about how we haven't been called Titletown in 30 years or so. I said Favre and Co (in which I named the 3 big names) brought us back in the 90's. Is that a bad thing to be saying? I mean I know you guys don't like Favre at the moment, but whats wrong with that?

[cheesner]

Nothing like an argument with Pacopete ...





Can't say I've missed them at all... too bad for the pardons. :o

LOL- It's like that scene in Ghostbusters when they let all the spooks out of the basement vault in NYC! They start trouble all over the city and run amuck.


Whoa, whoa, whoa.. I'm not even really arguin here. Why do you guys have to go there? We were talking about how we haven't been called Titletown in 30 years or so. I said Favre and Co (in which I named the 3 big names) brought us back in the 90's. Is that a bad thing to be saying? I mean I know you guys don't like Favre at the moment, but whats wrong with that?The thing is, Pacopete, the Favre years really sucked. He won 1 championship in 16 years. The Packers won 11 in the prior 80 years of their existence. Therefore with Favre we won less than half of what we could have expected to win. Now that he is gone, maybe the Packers can get back to their winning ways.

[Scott Campbell]

Can't say I've missed them at all... too bad for the pardons. :o



I consider myself more a freed political prisoner - just like Nelson Mandela.

[Pacopete4]

The thing is, Pacopete, the Favre years really sucked. He won 1 championship in 16 years. The Packers won 11 in the prior 80 years of their existence. Therefore with Favre we won less than half of what we could have expected to win. Now that he is gone, maybe the Packers can get back to their winning ways.


Serious? Those 16 years sucked? And because of him we only won one championship? Wow.. I honestly don't even know what to say to you... go back to our winning ways? Of what?.. the 60's? cuz there sure as hell was no winning in the 70's/80's... ridiculous...

[Zool]

The thing is, Pacopete, the Favre years really sucked. He won 1 championship in 16 years. The Packers won 11 in the prior 80 years of their existence. Therefore with Favre we won less than half of what we could have expected to win. Now that he is gone, maybe the Packers can get back to their winning ways.


Serious? Those 16 years sucked? And because of him we only won one championship? Wow.. I honestly don't even know what to say to you... go back to our winning ways? Of what?.. the 60's? cuz there sure as hell was no winning in the 70's/80's... ridiculous...

Pssssssst Petey...I think he was joking.

[Pacopete4]

The thing is, Pacopete, the Favre years really sucked. He won 1 championship in 16 years. The Packers won 11 in the prior 80 years of their existence. Therefore with Favre we won less than half of what we could have expected to win. Now that he is gone, maybe the Packers can get back to their winning ways.


Serious? Those 16 years sucked? And because of him we only won one championship? Wow.. I honestly don't even know what to say to you... go back to our winning ways? Of what?.. the 60's? cuz there sure as hell was no winning in the 70's/80's... ridiculous...

Pssssssst Petey...I think he was joking.


haha, i hope so.. I guess I don't read sarcasm well

[cheesner]

The thing is, Pacopete, the Favre years really sucked. He won 1 championship in 16 years. The Packers won 11 in the prior 80 years of their existence. Therefore with Favre we won less than half of what we could have expected to win. Now that he is gone, maybe the Packers can get back to their winning ways.


Serious? Those 16 years sucked? And because of him we only won one championship? Wow.. I honestly don't even know what to say to you... go back to our winning ways? Of what?.. the 60's? cuz there sure as hell was no winning in the 70's/80's... ridiculous...

Pssssssst Petey...I think he was joking.


haha, i hope so.. I guess I don't read sarcasm well
I have a #4 jersey, my 6 yo daughter has a #4 jersey, I have an autographed football (favre and Reggie), a Brett bobble head on my desk, a . . . etc. I am a fan of Brett, always will be.

But he is gone. He was a very good QB, he isn't anymore, his skills have diminished. The Packers had to move on and TT (actually MM) pulled the trigger. They did it not to screw Brett, not to screw the Packers, not to piss off the fans. They did it simply because they felt it would make the Packers a better team.

I believe, and the season pretty much bears this out, that the Packers made the best (though difficult) choice.

Although Brett was a great fooball player for the Packers, it does not mean he was a great human being. No matter what a person can accomplish on the field necessarily affects the type of person that he is off of it. It is unwise to so completely idolize someone you forgive or ignore personal issues. I would, however, completely dismiss those issues and remember his one time football prowess, but the unfortunately, his attitude and actions are hurting the Packers. Not only is he hurting the Packers, this has driven an unfortunate wedge between many Packer fans.

I was a Packer fan, long before Brett came to town, and I will continue to be long after he is in Canton.


I am still a fan of Brett the Packer, but I sure do not appreciate him or his actions since he retired. (The first time)

[falco]

Gunakor, I hope you don't really leave the forum. I owe you an apology for my harsh remarks. I haven't read this entire thread and only jumped on your most recent comments.

I completely disagree with what you said and think you were out of line. There are a lot of long standing posters here who remain rather pessimistic at times (or realistic as some might say) about the teams chances. You don't need to be a homer to be a fan.

That being said, you are a good poster here. Paco and packerarcher are both trolls, and have been rabble rousers since the Favre saga began. You are in a league above them.

[Zool]

Cheese and I have the same feeling on the situation. The only jersey i've ever owned with a name other than my own is Favre. Was my favorite football player for a decade and a half. When he was stinkin up the joint in 94 I defended him to the end. I'm just tired of the whole saga now.

[RashanGary]

Great post, Cheesner.

I have a hard time saying anything nice about him because he irks me so bad, but deep down, I feel exactly like you do. Was a huge fan. I've made a lot of the same mistakes as him. I grew up. He didn't. The way he's been, the last few years, I just don't respect at all.

[GBRulz]

I grew up. He didn't.

LOL. You make me laugh, JH !

[RashanGary]

I grew up. He didn't.

LOL. You make me laugh, JH !


:oops: hahaha



Let me rephrase, "I grew up, in terms of selfishness, he didn't"

[RashanGary]

And for the record, I don't hate the guy at all. He's just a guy, doing what he thinks is right. I just don't like what he's done to other people. People who get thier butts kissed too long lose their ground. That is what I think of him.

[sheepshead]

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/heymike0308/favre.jpg

[Gunakor]

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/heymike0308/favre.jpg

The reflection on Favre's helmet is still Lambeau Field :D

[sheepshead]

http://www.twincities.com/news/ci_12299310?source=rss

This is mildly interesting.

[ThunderDan]

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/heymike0308/favre.jpg

Hard to get grass stains on your uni playing in a dome.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Sounds like Chilly is putting on the full-court press for Favre.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4142857


Minnesota Vikings head coach Brad Childress and quarterback Brett Favre plan to meet at an undisclosed location later this week to discuss the possibility of the former Packers and Jets quarterback renouncing his retirement from the NFL to play the 2009 season with the Vikings, according to a source with direct knowledge of discussions between the two parties.

There is a mutual understanding that sometime soon thereafter Favre will decide whether to sign with the Vikings. The team would expect him to participate fully in offseason minicamps and training camps, which he missed last year with the Jets.

Favre has not been working out and declined to have surgery to repair the torn biceps tendon that plagued him the final month of last season.

[sheepshead]

http://hooters.know-where.com/hooters/cgi/site?site=266&address=&design=default&lang=en&mapid=US

[Rastak]

Sounds like Chilly is putting on the full-court press for Favre.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4142857


Minnesota Vikings head coach Brad Childress and quarterback Brett Favre plan to meet at an undisclosed location later this week to discuss the possibility of the former Packers and Jets quarterback renouncing his retirement from the NFL to play the 2009 season with the Vikings, according to a source with direct knowledge of discussions between the two parties.

There is a mutual understanding that sometime soon thereafter Favre will decide whether to sign with the Vikings. The team would expect him to participate fully in offseason minicamps and training camps, which he missed last year with the Jets.

Favre has not been working out and declined to have surgery to repair the torn biceps tendon that plagued him the final month of last season.

Not sure I'd call it the full court press...one meeting.....I HOPE the conversation centers around the following....

1) Is your arm healthy.
2) You have to win the job, but we'll give you every chance.
3) You ain't getting 10mil.
4) You gotta show up for some offseason stuff, if only for the mental preparation.


oh, and 10 bucks says some clown fires up another thread on this latest development.

[The Shadow]

Nothing like an argument with Pacopete ...





Can't say I've missed them at all... too bad for the pardons. :o

LOL- It's like that scene in Ghostbusters when they let all the spooks out of the basement vault in NYC! They start trouble all over the city and run amuck.


Whoa, whoa, whoa.. I'm not even really arguin here. Why do you guys have to go there? We were talking about how we haven't been called Titletown in 30 years or so. I said Favre and Co (in which I named the 3 big names) brought us back in the 90's. Is that a bad thing to be saying? I mean I know you guys don't like Favre at the moment, but whats wrong with that?The thing is, Pacopete, the Favre years really sucked. He won 1 championship in 16 years. The Packers won 11 in the prior 80 years of their existence. Therefore with Favre we won less than half of what we could have expected to win. Now that he is gone, maybe the Packers can get back to their winning ways.

That's the same point I have been advocating for years. However, I don't believe most of those years actually sucked; it always seemed there was a chance the team could win another championship.
We were let down, time after time however, and a lot of that lays squarely upon Favre's doorstep.
I would catagorize them more as 'tease' years.
And here is the rub (at least for me) : The Packers SHOULD have won more (that second Super Bowl appearance at least). The fact that Favre never evolved much beyond a rookie mindset (remember the infamous "I'm not ever going to change the way I play?" quote?) has always seemed a tragedy to me. Someone with that kind of talent should have been willing to put in the work needed to evolve with the passing years - instead of relying solely on a great arm and a 'hometown hero' attitude.
If only Starr's head could have been grafted onto his body.....

[BF4MVP]

Sounds like Chilly is putting on the full-court press for Favre.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4142857


Minnesota Vikings head coach Brad Childress and quarterback Brett Favre plan to meet at an undisclosed location later this week to discuss the possibility of the former Packers and Jets quarterback renouncing his retirement from the NFL to play the 2009 season with the Vikings, according to a source with direct knowledge of discussions between the two parties.

There is a mutual understanding that sometime soon thereafter Favre will decide whether to sign with the Vikings. The team would expect him to participate fully in offseason minicamps and training camps, which he missed last year with the Jets.

Favre has not been working out and declined to have surgery to repair the torn biceps tendon that plagued him the final month of last season.
As if everyone and their mother didn't see this coming :lol:

Let him sign with Minnesota and embarrass himself..He can't play anymore.

I can't believe how much has changed. Ten months ago, Not only was he my favorite athlete ever, but he was one of my favorite guys ever. The guy who played for the Packers is still my favorite athlete but if he signs with the Vikings then I have no respect at all for Favre the person anymore. Hell, I'd sell my autographed jersey but it's probably worthless. No Packer fan will want to buy a Viking player's jersey, and no viking fan will want to buy a Packers jersey..So I guess I'm stuck with it.

Lilke Jim Rome said..He doesn't even have any reason to hate the Packers. He retired, and they had a 24-year-old quarterback who was ready..They made the right move..

Not to mention, if you put all that aside and just watched them both play last year, there's no question that Rodgers is the better quarterback, by far. Favre had a good September. That's it. After that, he was mediocre, followed by an atrocious December.

[Joemailman]

I don't think Favre is bitter about the fact that the Packers decided to go with Rodgers after he announced his retirement. I think the rift between Favre and Thompson is what caused the retirement. I think Favre became convinced (rightly or wrongly) that he was not wanted in Green Bay. I suspect he retired because he didn't at the time think that playing for someone other than the Packers was a viable option. Eventually, probably prodded by Bus Cook, he changed his mind.

By the way BF4, when Favre is inducted into the HOF, that jersey will be worth a lot of money.

[falco]

I make an immediate proposal to ban Rastak from packercats.com...I mean packerrats.com

[Rastak]

I make an immediate proposal to ban Rastak from packercats.com...I mean packerrats.com


Can't you at least wait until he sighs? For both sites....... :wink:

[falco]

I make an immediate proposal to ban Rastak from packercats.com...I mean packerrats.com


Can't you at least wait until he sighs? For both sites....... :wink:

Last year I went to two packer games (one pre-season, one regular) and both games were filled with people in Favre "jets" jerseys. I wonder if there will be a similar smattering of vikings jerseys?

Anyone got any tickets to the vikings game they want to sell at face value? :lol:

[Lurker64]

I make an immediate proposal to ban Rastak from packercats.com...I mean packerrats.com


Can't you at least wait until he sighs? For both sites....... :wink:

Just a friendly warning. Don't make the same mistake as Jets fans and buy a jersey for a guy who plays for you for one year and lets you down in December and January.

[Rastak]

I make an immediate proposal to ban Rastak from packercats.com...I mean packerrats.com


Can't you at least wait until he sighs? For both sites....... :wink:

Just a friendly warning. Don't make the same mistake as Jets fans and buy a jersey for a guy who plays for you for one year and lets you down in December and January.


Nah, I'll pass but I know some folks at work who'll do it just to drive the Pack fans nuts

[falco]

I make an immediate proposal to ban Rastak from packercats.com...I mean packerrats.com


Can't you at least wait until he sighs? For both sites....... :wink:

Just a friendly warning. Don't make the same mistake as Packers fans and buy a jersey for a guy who plays for seventeen years and lets you down in December and January.

corrected above...lol

[HarveyWallbangers]

Nah, I'll pass but I know some folks at work who'll do it just to drive the Pack fans nuts

This is what I find most amusing. It's as likely that Favre will disappoint them than lead them to the top (especially since expectations will be sky high). I personally don't care. It will be fun. They'll remain the favorites to win the division, but I don't see it leading to postseason glory.

[Rastak]

Nah, I'll pass but I know some folks at work who'll do it just to drive the Pack fans nuts

This is what I find most amusing. It's as likely that Favre will disappoint them than lead them to the top (especially since expectations will be sky high). I personally don't care. It will be fun. They'll remain the favorites to win the division, but I don't see it leading to postseason glory.


I don't disagree, but I know of three or four guys at work that would cringe big time every time they saw one. Unless he completely imploded, which remains a distinct possibility.