NFN North Records 2009

[australianpackerbacker]

Early Prediction of the records for each team in our division for the upcoming 2009 season;

Green Bay 12-4
Minnesota 10-6
Chicago 9-7
Detroit 5-11

Thats how i see Minnesota playing it out, with or without Favre. Chicago's defence is nothing like it was 3 years ago. The Lions will improve under a new coach and GM. The Packers will win the division in a tightly contested battle.

[hoosier]

Green Bay 11-5
Minnesota 10-6
Chicago 6-10
Detroit 4-12

Green Bay will struggle early on defense, but their offense will be as good or better than last year. If they can avoid key injuries, my gut feeling is they more than turn last year's record around.

[oregonpackfan]

Green Bay 10-6(Packers win NFC by beating Vikings twice)

Minnesota 10-6

Chicago 9-7

Detroit 3-13

I also agree the Packers will struggle early with their switch to a 3-4 defense but improves as the season progresses.

I predict Rodgers will have an excellent season with the Packers' offense being in the top six in the NFL.

[Pacopete4]

Vikings 10-6 wo/Favre 12-4 w/Favre (Favre will add two wins to this team)
Bears 9-7 (Cutler improves the offense, aging defense falters down stretch)
Packers 8-8 (new defense, offense great numbers/not enough results)
Lions 6-10 (very much improved, may knock one of the other division guys out of playoffs late in season)

[sharpe1027]

Green Bay 10-6
Chicago 9-7
Minnesota 8-8
Detroit 3-13

Green Bay bounces back from a year ago, but not all the way. Look for an early bump out of the playoffs.

Chicago finds out that a QB doesn't do it all on their own. Good QB play comes as much from good teammates, a good system and good coaching.

Minnesota finds out just how much of a distraction 'ole number 4 can be. No QB play to speak of along with their usually terrible play calling and yet they are still able to win a few early. A key injury or two sinks the Viking ship mid-season.

Detroit has to realize that no amount of coaching can make up for years of ineptitude at the helm. Maybe next year?

Or maybe not... :lol:

[]{ilr]3]

Green Bay 11-5
Chicago 8-8
Minnesota 8-8
Detroit 3-13

I am expecting fast results from the Defense. Capers is known for being good out of the gate when he comes in. Both the Vikings and the Bears will have difficulty adjusting to the 3-4

[HarveyWallbangers]

Minnesota 10-6
Green Bay 10-6
Chicago 9-7
Detroit 4-12

[Scott Campbell]

Vikings 10-6 wo/Favre 12-4 w/Favre (Favre will add two wins to this team)


Agreed. Favre will add two wins to this team. Unfortunately they'll be in the preseason. He'll subtract 5 wins from this team in the regular season - most of the losses coming during crunch time in November and December.

[Fritz]

Chicago: 13-3 (Cutler makes the difference)
Minnesota 12-4 (Favre makes the difference)
Deetroit 8-8 (Stafford makes rookie magic)
Green Bay 5-11 (Rodgers is an average QB; defense can't adjust to 3-4)

[cpk1994]

Vikings 10-6 wo/Favre 12-4 w/Favre (Favre will add two wins to this team)


Agreed. Favre will add two wins to this team. Unfortunately they'll be in the preseason. He'll subtract 5 wins from this team in the regular season - most of the losses coming during crunch time in November and December.I agree. As for my prediction:

Green Bay 10-6(SLight defenseive improvement is all it will take)
Minnesota 9-7(QB and coaching still big problems)
Chicago 8-8(Culter isn't the savior Bear fans think he is)
Detroit 4-12(I'm being generous here because of Stafford)

[sheepshead]

pack 13-3
queens 11-5
lions 8-8
bears 7-9 Smith and Angelo Fired Shanahan hired

[cheesner]

Green Bay 12-4 Huge boost by their soon to be #3 defense
Minny 10-6 Still have HC and QB deficiencies. And if AP gets hurt this will turn into a dissaster
Chicago 7-9 Most overrated team
Detroit 6-10 played well in a lot of games last year despite winning none of them

[cpk1994]

Chicago: 13-3 (Cutler makes the difference)
Minnesota 12-4 (Favre makes the difference)
Deetroit 8-8 (Stafford makes rookie magic)
Green Bay 5-11 (Rodgers is an average QB; defense can't adjust to 3-4)I hope to god that your 5-11 is complete sarcasm.

[cheesner]

Chicago: 13-3 (Cutler makes the difference)
Minnesota 12-4 (Favre makes the difference)
Deetroit 8-8 (Stafford makes rookie magic)
Green Bay 5-11 (Rodgers is an average QB; defense can't adjust to 3-4)I hope to god that your 5-11 is complete sarcasm.
Not to mention that Rodgers is average. He was well above average in only his first year playing.

As far as defense, I just wish we had hired a DC who knew something about switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4.

[Bossman641]

Chicago: 13-3 (Cutler makes the difference)
Minnesota 12-4 (Favre makes the difference)
Deetroit 8-8 (Stafford makes rookie magic)
Green Bay 5-11 (Rodgers is an average QB; defense can't adjust to 3-4)

How did Partial log in under Fritz's name? :D

[Chevelle2]

Packers: 12-4
Bears: 9-7
Vikings: 7-9
Lions: 4-12

[PackerPro42]

Packers 12-4

Vikings 9-7

Bears 7-9

Lions 4-12

[Chevelle2]

Packers 12-4

Vikings 9-7

Bears 7-9

Lions 4-12

Copy Cat. :)

[MadScientist]

Packers 10-6
Bears 10-6
Vikings 10-6
Lions 4-12

Fun with tiebreakers.

[Chevelle2]

Because Im bored:

Week 1: Chicago - Win
Week 2: Cincinnati - Win
Week 3: @St Louis - Win
Week 4: @Minnesota - Win. (We lost to them by 1 last time, and we have improved vastly. Also, the Williams brothers may be suspended, and Favre will throw a few picks :D )
Week 5: BYE
Week 6: Detroit - Win
Week 7: @Cleveland - Win
Week 8: Minnesota - Win
Week 9: @Tampa - Loss
Week 10: Dallas - Win. (No TO, no Canty)
Week 11: San Fran - Win
Week 12: @Detroit - Win
Week 13: Baltimore - Win (Baltimore's defense is getting older, and their offense is weak)
Week 14: @Chicago - Loss
Week 15: @Pittsburgh - Loss
Week 15: Seattle - Win
Week 16: Arizona - Win

13-3, with a 4th/5th loss coming from either Baltimore/Dallas/Minnesota/Detroit/Cleveland

8-)

[Packnut]

Minnesota- 10-6 ( It's a proven fact in the NFL: Run the ball and stop the run and you will win more than you lose).

Green Bay- 9-7 ( another proven fact in the NFL: O-Linemen need continuity. Playing revolving posiitons like MM and TT do is a recipe for disaster. They both claim to have learned their lesson but we'll see.)

Chicago- 9-7 ( A QB can feast on a reliable TE and RB. The Bears have both.)

Detroit- 3-13

[mngolf19]

Using the same criteria some of you have used here:

Vikes 11-5 ( easier schedule, and the Pack aren't the only team to improve)
Bears 10-6 (schedule and Cutler enough to make Playoffs)
Pack 10-6 (Improved but early struggle with new D will keep them out of playoffs)
Lions 5-11 (Gotta improve some don't they?)

Anyone can have injuries so that changes things for all teams. No point in judging a record before the injuries have happened. 3-4 defense may help the Packers in the long run because of their personnel but it's not like no one has faced it before so it's not the cure all. Bears have gotten old on D and OL. This is their last shot.

[Joemailman]

Chicago: 13-3 (Cutler makes the difference)
Minnesota 12-4 (Favre makes the difference)
Deetroit 8-8 (Stafford makes rookie magic)
Green Bay 5-11 (Rodgers is an average QB; defense can't adjust to 3-4)

What's with the depression, Fritz? This have something to do with Drew Barrymore?

[Joemailman]

Packers 11-5 (Running game will be better and defense will make leads stand up.)

Vikings 10-6 (Lots of talent, but I'm still not sure if Chilly knows how to take full advantage of a great back like Peterson.)

Bears 9-7 (Cutler will help, but a lot of people automatically think they'll have a good defense. I'm not so sure.)

Lions 5-11 (Stafford will be good, and he has some weapons, but the defense still needs help.)

[Packers4Ever]

Chicago: 13-3 (Cutler makes the difference)
Minnesota 12-4 (Favre makes the difference)
Deetroit 8-8 (Stafford makes rookie magic)
Green Bay 5-11 (Rodgers is an average QB; defense can't adjust to 3-4)I hope to god that your 5-11 is complete sarcasm.

I heard Fritz is a long-time
Bears fan, right Fritz? :shock: :P :P

[MOBB DEEP]

Vikings 10-6 wo/Favre 12-4 w/Favre (Favre will add two wins to this team)
Bears 9-7 (Cutler improves the offense, aging defense falters down stretch)
Packers 8-8 (new defense, offense great numbers/not enough results)
Lions 6-10 (very much improved, may knock one of the other division guys out of playoffs late in season)

what he said....real talk

[Dabaddestbear]

Bears 12-4
Vikings 10-6
Packers 8-8
Lions 6-10

[pbmax]

Packers 8-8 (new defense, offense great numbers/not enough results)
So only the top five offenses in the NFL for scoring are getting enough results?

Green Bay - 11-5 (people will still say Aaron Rodgers has a long way to go)
Minnesota - 10-6 (going to miss Matt Birk)
Chicago - 10-6 (anyone's guess on the tiebreaker)
Lions - 5-11 (and there was much rejoicing)

[pbmax]

Chicago: 13-3 (Cutler makes the difference)
Minnesota 12-4 (Favre makes the difference)
Deetroit 8-8 (Stafford makes rookie magic)
Green Bay 5-11 (Rodgers is an average QB; defense can't adjust to 3-4)
Reverse jinxing doesn't work Fritz! :lol:

[Scott Campbell]

Green Bay 11-5
Detroit 6-10
Minnesota 2-14
Chicago 0-16

[Gunakor]

Green Bay 11-5
Detroit 6-10
Minnesota 2-14
Chicago 0-16

Minnesota's gonna beat the Bears twice?

[HarveyWallbangers]

I don't think Vandermause comes across as a complete homer, so it's a bit encouraging to see him optimistic.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20090611/PKR01/306110048/1058


[Comment From Cory]
I understand that it is too early to tell much, but do you see the Packers being a strong competitor in the NFC?

I happen to view the Packers from the glass being half full, rather than half empty. After last season's 6-10 record, you fall into one of two camps. You either believe the 2007 season, when the team made it to the NFC title game, was a fluke and the Packers aren't really very good. Or you believe the 2008 season was a fluke and the Packers suffered some bad breaks and an inordinate number of close losses, and their final record didn't reflect their talent. So, are they closer to 13-3 or 6-10? I think they will finish with at least a 10-6 record and make the playoffs this season. That's a very early forecast and a lot can change between now and the fall. But my gut instinct tells me this team will be pretty good this season.

He sees the OL situation like I do.


[Comment From Geoff]
Who do you think will start on the OL by Game 1?

LT - Clifton. LG - Colledge. C - Spitz. RG - Sitton. RT - Barbre or Lang.

Sorry for waffling at right tackle, but we simply haven't seen enough of Lang to know whether he can start as a rookie. I think he'll be given the opportunity, but if he looks too green, Barbre will likely get the nod because he's a little more seasoned.


[Comment From RON]
Is the O Line as big a mess as it appears? Again no free agents especially for a vital area of the team!

I don't think it's the mess you make it out to be. There are a lot of up-and-coming young players (Colledge, Spitz, Sitton, for example) who could just be coming into their own. It's put up or shut up time for those players. If they fall on their faces this season, then your stance will be proven correct. From what I've seen, I think there's a greater chance they will step up and be solid offensive linemen.

Apparently, Raji passes the eyeball test.


[Comment From Robert]
How does Raji look?

Remember, players are only practicing in shorts and shirts. But from what I have seen in the OTAs, Raji looks good. He has quickness, agility, bulk and looks like the real deal. I think he has the chance to be a force on the defensive line this season. But again, it's early, and until the pads go on, we won't know for sure.

[KYPack]

That's cool stuff Harve.

I'm glad to hear that about Raji. That pic that was posted on here made Raji look like a fat doofus. I hope he's better than he photographs.

My prediction to come, I'm trying to think of some stuff to rib Fritz!

[Joemailman]

Bears 12-4
Vikings 10-6
Packers 8-8
Lions 6-10

http://i334.photobucket.com/albums/m408/blossom61photos/Emoticons/ROFL.gif

[Freak Out]

Week 1: Chicago - Win
Week 2: Cincinnati - Win
Week 3: @St Louis - Win
Week 4: @Minnesota - Win (Old #4 gets rattled early after a Raji dry hump and never gets it going)
Week 5: BYE
Week 6: Detroit - Win
Week 7: @Cleveland - Win
Week 8: Minnesota - Win
Week 9: @Tampa - Win
Week 10: Dallas - Win
Week 11: San Fran - Win
Week 12: @Detroit - Win
Week 13: Baltimore - Win
Week 14: @Chicago - Loss
Week 15: @Pittsburgh - Loss
Week 15: Seattle - Win
Week 16: Arizona - Win

[The Shadow]

It's still early, but right now I don't see the Bears as more than an 8-8 team.
The defense is nowhere near what it once was.
Several contributing factors:
Tommie Harris, due to big money-itis and injuries, is just not the player he once was. Urlacher is beginning to slow down. And the biggest loss of all is the departure of Mike Brown, whose instincts and leadership won't be replaced.
Offense : Yes, Cutler has the potential to be a very good qb, but he also has the potential to never be much more than a strong arm. Time will tell. To listen to the Bear shills, he is on his way to Canton already, but I think the jury is still very much out.
The offensive line just does not look all that impressive. Pace will be fine for a year or two, but injuries have derailed him lately more often than not. Twelve years of pounding have taken a toll on Kreutz. The guards are journeymen, at best.
Good TE's, but the receivers are very sub-par.

Just don't see this team rising much, if at all, above the average level.

[hoosier]

Week 1: Chicago - Win
Week 2: Cincinnati - Win
Week 3: @St Louis - Win
Week 4: @Minnesota - Win (Old #4 gets rattled early after a Raji dry hump and never gets it going)
Week 5: BYE
Week 6: Detroit - Win
Week 7: @Cleveland - Win
Week 8: Minnesota - Win
Week 9: @Tampa - Win
Week 10: Dallas - Win
Week 11: San Fran - Win
Week 12: @Detroit - Win
Week 13: Baltimore - Win
Week 14: @Chicago - Loss
Week 15: @Pittsburgh - Loss
Week 15: Seattle - Win
Week 16: Arizona - Win

Oooh, a bump in the road in weeks 14 and 15. How many here are calling for MMs and TTs heads after the back to back losses down the stretch? :lol:

[Freak Out]

Week 1: Chicago - Win
Week 2: Cincinnati - Win
Week 3: @St Louis - Win
Week 4: @Minnesota - Win (Old #4 gets rattled early after a Raji dry hump and never gets it going)
Week 5: BYE
Week 6: Detroit - Win
Week 7: @Cleveland - Win
Week 8: Minnesota - Win
Week 9: @Tampa - Win
Week 10: Dallas - Win
Week 11: San Fran - Win
Week 12: @Detroit - Win
Week 13: Baltimore - Win
Week 14: @Chicago - Loss
Week 15: @Pittsburgh - Loss
Week 15: Seattle - Win
Week 16: Arizona - Win

Oooh, a bump in the road in weeks 14 and 15. How many here are calling for MMs and TTs heads after the back to back losses down the stretch? :lol:

I almost went Iron Mike and went with 16-0. :)

[RIPackerFan]

Vikings: 10-6
Packers: 9-7
Chicago: 8-8
Lions: 6-10

I think the Pack will be greatly improved - but the new D scheme, along with some of our better starters being another year older AND counting too much on D on new players makes me less optimistic about a breakout year.

I think Chicago's D is nowhere close to what is used to be - but an improved offense will not send them into a tailspin.

Vikings will be able to run - and a stout D will get them the best record.

The Lions will be playing better - but still rebuilding.

[bbbffl66]

Minny 12-4 with BF or 10-6 without
Muppets of the Midway 8-8
Packers 7-9
Detroit 4-12

Sigh. Another long year! :cry:

[Iron Mike]

I almost went Iron Mike and went with 16-0. :)

d00d, I was only three off. 8-)

[BEARMAN]

Chicago: 13-3 (Cutler makes the difference)
Minnesota 12-4 (Favre makes the difference)
Deetroit 8-8 (Stafford makes rookie magic)
Green Bay 5-11 (Rodgers is an average QB; defense can't adjust to 3-4)

My new best freind !

Sorry cheeseheads, Da BEARS are for REAL again !

Go BEARS Go !

[BEARMAN]

Green Bay 11-5
Detroit 6-10
Minnesota 2-14
Chicago 0-16

Who is the "Homer" here ? :roll:

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Chicago: 13-3 (Cutler makes the difference)
Minnesota 12-4 (Favre makes the difference)
Deetroit 8-8 (Stafford makes rookie magic)
Green Bay 5-11 (Rodgers is an average QB; defense can't adjust to 3-4)

My new best freind !

Sorry cheeseheads, Da BEARS are for REAL again !

Go BEARS Go !

No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of bear fans.

[Fritz]

Chicago: 13-3 (Cutler makes the difference)
Minnesota 12-4 (Favre makes the difference)
Deetroit 8-8 (Stafford makes rookie magic)
Green Bay 5-11 (Rodgers is an average QB; defense can't adjust to 3-4)I hope to god that your 5-11 is complete sarcasm.

I heard Fritz is a long-time
Bears fan, right Fritz? :shock: :P :P

Naw, I was just having some fun with the doom-and-gloomers on this board.

[hoosier]

Minny 10-6 with BF or 12-4 without
Muppets of the Midway 8-8
Packers 7-9
Detroit 4-12

Sigh. Another long year! :cry:

fixed.

[bbbffl66]

Minny 10-6 with BF or 12-4 without
Muppets of the Midway 8-8
Packers 7-9
Detroit 4-12

Sigh. Another long year! :cry:

fixed.

C'mon, do you really think Sage or Tjack would do better than BF?

[hoosier]

Minny 10-6 with BF or 12-4 without
Muppets of the Midway 8-8
Packers 7-9
Detroit 4-12

Sigh. Another long year! :cry:

fixed.

C'mon, do you really think Sage or Tjack would do better than BF?

I think the Vikings will do better with a "game manager" at QB than with a gun slinger who's over the hill and probably isn't willing to change his game to accomodate his physical limitations. In that light, I think Favre will hurt them more than help them, and that the Vikings would be much more dangerous as a run-first team that protects the ball. Of course my position is based on the assumption that either Jackson or Sage can play that role effectively. The fly in the ointment is that neither has proven he can do it for an entire year: Jackson because he's been wildly inconsistent and Sage because he sometimes plays out of control. If I had to bet, I would bet that Chilly could probably control Sage but not Favre.

[ThunderDan]

Packers 11-5
Minnesota 10-6
Chicago 8-8
Detroit 4-12

I don't think Favre makes a difference in the Viqueens record. They will be a run dominant team next year no matter who is the QB.

[Cornholio]

Minnesota 12-4(with Favre) 10-6 without
Chicago 10-6
Green Bay 7-9
Detroit 5-11

If you don't honestly believe that Favre won't make a big difference in Minnesota then you didn't watch any of the 1st 11 Jets games last year. With a healthy Favre he took a team that was 4-12 with the worst scoring offense in the league from the year before to an 8-3 record with the #2 scoring offense in the league. Once he hurt his arm, you saw everything went down hill from there. With Minnesota's O-line and dominant running game, you could place any QB who's decent in there and they are going to be an offensive juggernaut. The Packers haven't done a single thing to improve this off season. Switching to the 3-4 is going to take a good portion of the year for the players to finally feel good in the system and to start running it 100%. Couple that with issues on the O-line and a sub par running game I don't believe there is going to be a lot of improvement from last year to this year.

[Pacopete4]

Minnesota 12-4(with Favre) 10-6 without
Chicago 10-6
Green Bay 7-9
Detroit 5-11

If you don't honestly believe that Favre won't make a big difference in Minnesota then you didn't watch any of the 1st 11 Jets games last year. With a healthy Favre he took a team that was 4-12 with the worst scoring offense in the league from the year before to an 8-3 record with the #2 scoring offense in the league. Once he hurt his arm, you saw everything went down hill from there. With Minnesota's O-line and dominant running game, you could place any QB who's decent in there and they are going to be an offensive juggernaut. The Packers haven't done a single thing to improve this off season. Switching to the 3-4 is going to take a good portion of the year for the players to finally feel good in the system and to start running it 100%. Couple that with issues on the O-line and a sub par running game I don't believe there is going to be a lot of improvement from last year to this year.


Favre make a difference? No way! He's only going to be 40, hes a washed up girl who's only in it for the attention anymore! sigh... :oops:

[Scott Campbell]

Once he hurt his arm, you saw everything went down hill from there.


It's nice how people make excuses for his massive stretch run choke job.

[pbmax]

... With a healthy Favre ...
At least this recognizes the risk. And I am glad we can assign all the improvements to the Jets O to one man, and not any of the other changes. Nor does playing better defense help either, because field position is nothing compared to a starting QB. And of course the Jet's didn't have a healthy Pennington for most of 2007 (or several other parts on Offense), but why mention that when trying to prove a point. Stupid context, always messing up a good argument.

[Lurker64]

Personally, I say:

Green Bay 10-6
Minnesota 10-6
Chicago 10-6
Detroit 3-13

Damned if I know who's going to win the tiebreakers though...

[The Shadow]

Once he hurt his arm, you saw everything went down hill from there.


It's nice how people make excuses for his massive stretch run choke job.

The receivers must have started running the wrong routes again.

[cpk1994]

Once he hurt his arm, you saw everything went down hill from there.


It's nice how people make excuses for his massive stretch run choke job.

The receivers must have started running the wrong routes again.OR the ball just slipped out of Brett's hands. Or maybe his thumb is still injured. Mike Sherman must have relatives on this board. :lol:

[ThunderDan]

Minnesota 12-4(with Favre) 10-6 without
Chicago 10-6
Green Bay 7-9
Detroit 5-11

If you don't honestly believe that Favre won't make a big difference in Minnesota then you didn't watch any of the 1st 11 Jets games last year.

I really don't. Minnesota is going to be a run dominant team that runs clock and grinds its opponents down. If they don't Childress should be fired. That is what their team is set-up to do. All they need is a game manager not a gun slinger.

[Fritz]

Minnesota 12-4(with Favre) 10-6 without
Chicago 10-6
Green Bay 7-9
Detroit 5-11

If you don't honestly believe that Favre won't make a big difference in Minnesota then you didn't watch any of the 1st 11 Jets games last year. With a healthy Favre he took a team that was 4-12 with the worst scoring offense in the league from the year before to an 8-3 record with the #2 scoring offense in the league. Once he hurt his arm, you saw everything went down hill from there. With Minnesota's O-line and dominant running game, you could place any QB who's decent in there and they are going to be an offensive juggernaut. The Packers haven't done a single thing to improve this off season. Switching to the 3-4 is going to take a good portion of the year for the players to finally feel good in the system and to start running it 100%. Couple that with issues on the O-line and a sub par running game I don't believe there is going to be a lot of improvement from last year to this year.

I'm sorry, I can't help myself:

Cornholio, Cornholio, wherefore art thou Cornholio?