what happened to my thread

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I don't really care, but are we now (admin) deleting threads?

If so, don't you think it would be nice to inform us? I thought the RR or Garbage can was suitable...so, what happened.

[Administrator]

I deleted it. Someone posted a pic that I deemed inappropriate for the Romper Room. I thought briefly about moving it to the garbage can, but then decided against it.

I moved it here last night after the talk stopped being about anything resembling football.

I don't really believe in deleting threads and I certainly don't intend to start a trend. But, you guys are supposed to have a "self policing" policy. It didn't work in this case.

BTW - if you didn't care why did you ask?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I deleted it. Someone posted a pic that I deemed inappropriate for the Romper Room. I thought briefly about moving it to the garbage can, but then decided against it.

I moved it here last night after the talk stopped being about anything resembling football.

I don't really believe in deleting threads and I certainly don't intend to start a trend. But, you guys are supposed to have a "self policing" policy. It didn't work in this case.

BTW - if you didn't care why did you ask?

Ok. No problem. Though, i wish you woulda moved it to the Garbage can....i can't imagine the pic was worse than some of the stuff posted in there. Sometimes half the fun is seeing how a thead mutates and devolves. This one for me falls into that case. A simple humor thread...and look where it went.

Care: Asking a question cause i'm curious. Do you equate being curious as really caring? There is a reason for the word "really."

[Joemailman]

Does the deletion of the thread affect my post count?

[Harlan Huckleby]

I deleted it. Someone posted a pic that I deemed inappropriate for the Romper Room. I thought briefly about moving it to the garbage can, but then decided against it.

what was the picture?


I don't really believe in deleting threads and I certainly don't intend to start a trend. But, you guys are supposed to have a "self policing" policy. It didn't work in this case.


How are people supposed to "self-police" when you are unwilling to state clearly what the policies are?

Your tendency towards secrecy is disturbing. You said that this site "everybody's, not just yours". OK, I believe you are sincere. But you have to act in ways that foster that spirit. That means communication.

I don't think you are a good or bad guy, except to the extent you are good guy for operating this place, I do appreciate that.

[Bretsky]

You might as well refer to Harlan as the questioner if you haven't yet; you will soon figure that out if you have not already.

That thread was crap and no good was coming out of it; I'm glad it's gone.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You might as well refer to Harlan as the questioner if you haven't yet; you will soon figure that out if you have not already.

That thread was crap and no good was coming out of it; I'm glad it's gone.

The thread was humorous and no big deal. It was made crappy by ONE poster.

There are plenty of crap threads that don't get deleted. And, we have put them in RR or the GC.

Why should this thread be any different?

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think the censor/owner should treat his customers respectfully.

That means informing them of policies. Send somebody a PM if they are doing something over the line.

Secrecy = authoritarianism.

Bretsky, you want a Great White Father, who rules like a dad in a family. I think you are very moderate by temperment, I really don't take much issue with your specific judgements, but you really defined yourself as a Forum Dad when you yourself wore a badge.

So we forever will have a philosophical difference, I just don't go for the Top-down, secretive management style.

I think we should wear flowers in our hair and love each other! I'll start with Ziggy.

[Scott Campbell]

Did you ever wonder if Madtown warned him about much of this stuff?

[Joemailman]

I think we should wear flowers in our hair and love each other! I'll start with Ziggy.

Damn 49ers fan.

[Administrator]

You might as well refer to Harlan as the questioner if you haven't yet; you will soon figure that out if you have not already.

That thread was crap and no good was coming out of it; I'm glad it's gone.

There are some of those everywhere. easiest thing in the world to sit back and gripe. No problem. It is what it is.

You summed up why I deleted the thread very well. If there was some meaningful discussion going on, I would have either, deleted the picture, or moved the thread to the GC. But there was no discussion, so there was no harm either way.

Thanks for your support.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I think we should wear flowers in our hair and love each other! I'll start with Ziggy.

Damn 49ers fan.

If you're going to San Francisco
Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair
If you're going to San Francisco
You're gonna meet some gentle people there

For those who come to San Francisco
Summertime will be a love-in there
In the streets of San Francisco
Gentle people with flowers in their hair

[HowardRoark]

You summed up why I deleted the thread very well. If there was some meaningful discussion going on, I would have either, deleted the picture, or moved the thread to the GC. But there was no discussion, so there was no harm either way.

Myself agrees.

[Administrator]

Did you ever wonder if Madtown warned him about much of this stuff?

We discussed things at a high level. He was actually quite complementary of most here.

I decided that I was going to give "blanket amnesty" and I have. That being said, I have a nephew who is 13. He doesn't participate here because my brother won't let him, yet, but that is kind of the "model" I'm shooting for.

While I recognize that 13 year olds see a bunch of stuff they shouldn't, this forum, which exists primarily to talk about football doesn't have to "add" to that experience. Let him find it elsewhere.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You might as well refer to Harlan as the questioner if you haven't yet; you will soon figure that out if you have not already.

That thread was crap and no good was coming out of it; I'm glad it's gone.

There are some of those everywhere. easiest thing in the world to sit back and gripe. No problem. It is what it is.

You summed up why I deleted the thread very well. If there was some meaningful discussion going on, I would have either, deleted the picture, or moved the thread to the GC. But there was no discussion, so there was no harm either way.

Thanks for your support.

so, there is meaningful discussion in the garbage can threads? Oh, lord.

I sure hope you post what constitutes meaningful soon.

[Partial]

I think it begs the question of would said thread have been deleted or moved to the can? I'm all for keeping things clean and tidy. Everything should get moved to the can when they take a turn for the worse imo.

[Administrator]

I deleted it. Someone posted a pic that I deemed inappropriate for the Romper Room. I thought briefly about moving it to the garbage can, but then decided against it.

what was the picture?


I don't really believe in deleting threads and I certainly don't intend to start a trend. But, you guys are supposed to have a "self policing" policy. It didn't work in this case.


How are people supposed to "self-police" when you are unwilling to state clearly what the policies are?

Your tendency towards secrecy is disturbing. You said that this site "everybody's, not just yours". OK, I believe you are sincere. But you have to act in ways that foster that spirit. That means communication.

I don't think you are a good or bad guy, except to the extent you are good guy for operating this place, I do appreciate that.

The picture simply doesn't matter. It was unnecessary to the forum.

Harlan, you're an adult. I don't have to give you "rules" that you can then figure out how to "break" without really breaking.

You really want rules? Fine. Write them. PM them to me and I'll consider them. I personally don't think that I have to tell adults how to behave. If I do, I'll just politely move them along to be someone elses problem. I'm not a babysitter.

As for PM's behind the scenes, how do you know that isn't going on?

I've been here a grand total of 10 days? What pattern of "secrecy" could we possibly have going on? I haven't even been here long enough to figure out how everything works, much less to establish patterns. ]

Good grief, my 1st conspiracy fear after 10 days. :wink:

[HowardRoark]

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/071219/bestmovies/lives_l.jpg

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I deleted it. Someone posted a pic that I deemed inappropriate for the Romper Room. I thought briefly about moving it to the garbage can, but then decided against it.

what was the picture?


I don't really believe in deleting threads and I certainly don't intend to start a trend. But, you guys are supposed to have a "self policing" policy. It didn't work in this case.


How are people supposed to "self-police" when you are unwilling to state clearly what the policies are?

Your tendency towards secrecy is disturbing. You said that this site "everybody's, not just yours". OK, I believe you are sincere. But you have to act in ways that foster that spirit. That means communication.

I don't think you are a good or bad guy, except to the extent you are good guy for operating this place, I do appreciate that.

The picture simply doesn't matter. It was unnecessary to the forum.

Harlan, you're an adult. I don't have to give you "rules" that you can then figure out how to "break" without really breaking.

You really want rules? Fine. Write them. PM them to me and I'll consider them. I personally don't think that I have to tell adults how to behave. If I do, I'll just politely move them along to be someone elses problem. I'm not a babysitter.

As for PM's behind the scenes, how do you know that isn't going on?

I've been here a grand total of 10 days? What pattern of "secrecy" could we possibly have going on? I haven't even been here long enough to figure out how everything works, much less to establish patterns. ]

Good grief, my 1st conspiracy fear after 10 days. :wink:

Admin,

Of course the pic mattered...it got the thread deleted. So, as humans we are curious about a) what gets things deleted b) how bad/titilating (spelling?) c) etc.

It has long been the policy of Mad (not to say you have to follow it) to just move things to the GC....where they die a quick death...or are only followed and seen by those who wish to view the carnage.

If you can't see how your actions regarding that thread have ramifications or cause people to wonder then...well...i don't know what to tell you.

[Administrator]

so, there is meaningful discussion in the garbage can threads? Oh, lord.

I sure hope you post what constitutes meaningful soon.

Tyrone - this is your mode, and what you do. I don't play, though I've read a lot of this type of stuff from you over the last couple of weeks. The above wasn't my point and you know it wasn't my point.

I had a decision to make, and I made it. I did what I thought was best. You and Harlan can disagree and that's fine.

[Partial]

I appreciate the efforts to clean up the RR. As someone who surfs from work, this is invaluable and much appreciated. However, I do think the moved threads should get moved to the GC.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

so, there is meaningful discussion in the garbage can threads? Oh, lord.

I sure hope you post what constitutes meaningful soon.

Tyrone - this is your mode, and what you do. I don't play, though I've read a lot of this type of stuff from you over the last couple of weeks. The above wasn't my point and you know it wasn't my point.

I had a decision to make, and I made it. I did what I thought was best. You and Harlan can disagree and that's fine.

My mode? Say what.

You have stated that the thread wasn't meaningful...therefore what exists is meaningful.

The simple fact is until now, bad threads were put in the GC. If you are going to change that...that is your right. I have no issue with that at all. And, as i stated i have no issue with you deleting it.

But, you have no established a new criteria..which you have yet to fully explain or detail. And, you expect us not to wonder. If you've seen the crap that is in the GC...only a moron wouldn't wonder what was so puerile, nasty, offensive that got that thread deleted.

What i have an issue with/or question...is your justification. If you want to say as admin i do what i please...i have no problem. but, your argument, to me, falls way flat.

[MJZiggy]

Ahh, leave him alone. The part you guys keep forgetting is that it's his forum, he pays the bills around here and it's his prerogative to do what he feels is best. Mad used to dump the bitching in the GC, but Joe is not Mad. He can do what he wants.

[mraynrand]

I agree with Harlan and Bigguns. Deleting a thread vs. moving it because of 'meaningless' content seems completely arbitrary. There is no need to explain or define rules at this point. The rules are very clear: 'Administrator' will delete as he/she/other sees fit. There is no way of knowing exactly what those criteria were, are or will be, but that is the way it is. Now I know how sailors of Greek mythology felt when they believed their fate was in the hands of Poseidon.

[mraynrand]

The part you guys keep forgetting is that it's his forum, he pays the bills around here and it's his prerogative to do what he feels is best.

We haven't forgotten this at all. What we have come to realize is that this is indeed the way things will run - according to his/her/other's prerogative - whatever that may be.

[Deputy Nutz]

I guess I would rather just see individual posts deleted at this point. The only reason that I am bringing this up is as a suggestion to the new admin. He can do what he wants, as Ziggy points out it is his forum, run by him and he can chose his way of handling matters, he will also have to choose with dealing with the backlash, see this thread for proof.

So, you as the admin can go ahead do what you so choose, but don't complain about threads like these when you make decisions. Make a set of rules, it is that simple, you don't want graphic pictures in the Romper room, obvious right? Well then what is the response from you that we can expect? A thread move, a thread deletion, a post deletion? what will be the ramifications to that said poster that chose to go above the basic rules of the forum? A suspension, a ban, a block from the romper room? What????

Again I don't think Madtown cared to make these decisions because he didn't want to be held accountable for his consistency. Just my take on the whole thing. I hope this will not be the case with the new admin.

[MJZiggy]

The part you guys keep forgetting is that it's his forum, he pays the bills around here and it's his prerogative to do what he feels is best.

We haven't forgotten this at all. What we have come to realize is that this is indeed the way things will run - according to his/her/other's prerogative - whatever that may be.
As it should be. If we act like grownups and there isn't a problem, is there? Also, Joe (was I the only one who was reading when you said to call you Joe?), note that if you do delete threads when an objectionable photo is posted, boys will use that as a tool. Partial may never be heard from again... :huh:

And let's all remember that a 13-year-old viewing level is what we were after when the Romper Room was started. This is why we have a Garbage Can. Though you seem to have forgotten how to use it.

[mraynrand]

The part you guys keep forgetting is that it's his forum, he pays the bills around here and it's his prerogative to do what he feels is best.

We haven't forgotten this at all. What we have come to realize is that this is indeed the way things will run - according to his/her/other's prerogative - whatever that may be.
As it should be. If we act like grownups and there isn't a problem, is there? Also, Joe (was I the only one who was reading when you said to call you Joe?), note that if you do delete threads when an objectionable photo is posted, boys will use that as a tool. Partial may never be heard from again... :huh:

And let's all remember that a 13-year-old viewing level is what we were after when the Romper Room was started. This is why we have a Garbage Can. Though you seem to have forgotten how to use it.

Me? I've never gone to the GC. I thought that was for the porn crap and other weird stuff that Skin and Nutz want to post. With the rare exception of some language, I believe the vast majority of what I post has been PG13.

[MJZiggy]

Sorry, dear. That part wasn't directed at you.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Harlan, you're an adult. I don't have to give you "rules" that you can then figure out how to "break" without really breaking.

You and Bretsky are convinced that I have an agenda to subvert your authority, or at least there are devious pranksters lying in the weeds, ready to outfox and annoy you. I don't think that is the case.


You really want rules? Fine. Write them. PM them to me and I'll consider them.

Uhh, no-way, Joe-ay. My preference would be for several volunteers to work on this, not including me because I am so opinionated and often reviled. Bretsky is the ideal rule writer, because he doesn't want the job.

I will offer a plan-B: if you are committed to the notion of having rules, I will serve as your secretary and sounding board.


I personally don't think that I have to tell adults how to behave.

Except that you do have to, obviously. Its inevitable that people will have somewhat different ideas of what is acceptable.

If I were in your shoes, I would delegate all authority and responsibility for conduct to a small committee. Frankly, they are going to come-up with about exactly te same rules you would come-up with, and then you don't have to serve as the Enforcer and designated asshole. And it helps build a spirit of community, makes the place seem like "our forum", as you stated before.

But this is not the only way.

If you want to be part of the rule-making, that's cool. I will help. But I'm not going to do all the work, it is a slightly painful job, and you have the final say anyway.

[Administrator]

I guess I would rather just see individual posts deleted at this point. The only reason that I am bringing this up is as a suggestion to the new admin. He can do what he wants, as Ziggy points out it is his forum, run by him and he can chose his way of handling matters, he will also have to choose with dealing with the backlash, see this thread for proof.

So, you as the admin can go ahead do what you so choose, but don't complain about threads like these when you make decisions. Make a set of rules, it is that simple, you don't want graphic pictures in the Romper room, obvious right? Well then what is the response from you that we can expect? A thread move, a thread deletion, a post deletion? what will be the ramifications to that said poster that chose to go above the basic rules of the forum? A suspension, a ban, a block from the romper room? What????

Again I don't think Madtown cared to make these decisions because he didn't want to be held accountable for his consistency. Just my take on the whole thing. I hope this will not be the case with the new admin.

You bring up some good points, and I appreciate your input.

This thread doesn't bother me. I expected it. There is a downside to everything. The "self policing" policy existing here has a downside. Sometimes people just won't self police. Whether that's posting pictures trying to be funny, or arguing after you've been told to knock it off, doesn't make a difference. At that point the system breaks down.

Rules have a downside. Creative people figure out just how far they can "push" to break the rule without breaking it. Also, rules just set the 'lowest standard' of behavior which isn't optimal in any situation. Rules should be a last resort, I'd think. I almost believe that permanently getting rid of the few who can't self police is preferable to a bunch of rules.

Again, I said this to Harlan. If you want rules, write them. Pick the ones you think are needed and fair and send them to me. Maybe you could team up with a few here and work in tandem to get something you think is fair.

I have no problem at all accepting responsibility for my decisions. Dumping to the GC is not something that I'm likely to do often. Truth be told, I'm not a fan of the GC. I understand why it is there, and I also gave my word to Madtownpacker that I wouldn't make dramatic, drastic changes. But truthfully, do we really need the GC on a football forum?

So, I don't plan to dump threads there.

Ziggy, if people start dumping pictures to eliminate points of view, then individual posts will get deleted. We're not going to 'censor' opposing points of view. But again, at the risk of sounding naive, we're all mostly adults around here, whether we're pretending or we really are, so expecting a certain standard of behavior isn't asking for that much. I won't get it out of everyone, but, that's to be expected.

And yes, you can call me Joe. You can call me admin. Mazzin is going to call me Ed. I am sure a few will call me other things tonight because I crapped on their fun. Whatever, doesn't matter to me. I'll get some decisions right, and I'll get some wrong, but I'm just going to try, with all of your help, to build the best Packer site on the net. One day soon, we'll make that "other" packer site envious at how well we do around here.

One day at a time... :D

[Deputy Nutz]

[quote="MJZiggy"]
As it should be. If we act like grownups and there isn't a problem, is there? Also, Joe (was I the only one who was reading when you said to call you Joe?), note that if you do delete threads when an objectionable photo is posted, boys will use that as a tool. Partial may never be heard from again... :huh: [\quote]


Thats a great idea, screw the ignore button.

[Scott Campbell]

Did you ever wonder if Madtown warned him about much of this stuff?

We discussed things at a high level. He was actually quite complementary of most here.

I decided that I was going to give "blanket amnesty" and I have. That being said, I have a nephew who is 13. He doesn't participate here because my brother won't let him, yet, but that is kind of the "model" I'm shooting for.

While I recognize that 13 year olds see a bunch of stuff they shouldn't, this forum, which exists primarily to talk about football doesn't have to "add" to that experience. Let him find it elsewhere.


I'm going to have to start watching my language.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Again, I said this to Harlan. If you want rules, write them. Pick the ones you think are needed and fair and send them to me. Maybe you could team up with a few here and work in tandem to get something you think is fair.

OK, let me offer a practical suggestion to implement this:
1) Form a committee of about 3 volunteers plus yourself

2) create a thread somewhere that only these people have permission to post to, but others can read.

3) Create the rules by a dialog there

[Scott Campbell]

Again, I said this to Harlan. If you want rules, write them. Pick the ones you think are needed and fair and send them to me. Maybe you could team up with a few here and work in tandem to get something you think is fair.

OK, let me offer a practical suggestion to implement this:
1) Form a committee of about 3 volunteers plus yourself

2) create a thread somewhere that only these people have permission to post to, but others can read.

3) Create the rules by a dialog there


Perhaps we could start a "Suggestion Box" sub forum for Harlan.

Why does this feel like deja-vu?

[mraynrand]

Again, I said this to Harlan. If you want rules, write them. Pick the ones you think are needed and fair and send them to me. Maybe you could team up with a few here and work in tandem to get something you think is fair.

OK, let me offer a practical suggestion to implement this:
1) Form a committee of about 3 volunteers plus yourself

2) create a thread somewhere that only these people have permission to post to, but others can read.

3) Create the rules by a dialog there


Perhaps we could start a "Suggestion Box" sub forum for Harlan.

Why does this feel like deja-vu?

I think we need a rules thread to outline the rules for writing the rules.

http://imagecache.allposters.com/images/pic/SIGN/10042%7EBar-Rules-Posters.jpg

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Ahh, leave him alone. The part you guys keep forgetting is that it's his forum, he pays the bills around here and it's his prerogative to do what he feels is best. Mad used to dump the bitching in the GC, but Joe is not Mad. He can do what he wants.

The you guys shouldn't include me...i've already said he can do as he pleases....but, that wasn't how he defined what he/she did.

Infact he won't post rules because we should police ourselves and because of potential problems. Fine.

However, i've really never seen that much bad in any forum other than GC. So, imho we have policed ourselves quite well. Nothing that i posted in that thread was offensive...i didn't swear, post a pic, etc.

So, of course i and others are quite curious as to what could have been posted that he/she determined to delete it. Especially since the new admin said he/she had been here for a while. Obviously that person would have seen the type of stuff that goes on.

We are acting like normal adults...we want to know what it was. Adults aren't children. Why are we treated as such...especially when i asked..and i didn't commit the foul.

Or, are you the type of woman that accepts reason's like "because i said so." I highly doubt it. You know that you would among friends/colleagues wonder about the decision.

[Zool]

Joe, I think the GC has a very appropriate place in this whole madness. This site isnt just about football. Its an intermingling of people in a community that has been together for the better part of 5+ years. The main focus of the board is football but there's so much more to it. Sometimes I want to come here and read some really stupid stuff or see bizarre pics of asian teens with stuffed animals. Sometimes I want to read only football. I like having a choice. Thats what makes this place great.

If this board turns into a stale sports only site, it will fall back into the pack of 8million other sites that already exist. The reason people keep coming here is the diversity.

IMO, deleting a thread should pretty much only occur when it labels someones personal info or somehow endangers a persons identity. Otherwise, just put the rest in the garbage....can.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Zool, who wrote that post for you?

[Harlan Huckleby]

MAdtown in the house

[Zool]

Zool, who wrote that post for you?

yuhmudda

[Bretsky]

Again, I said this to Harlan. If you want rules, write them. Pick the ones you think are needed and fair and send them to me. Maybe you could team up with a few here and work in tandem to get something you think is fair.

OK, let me offer a practical suggestion to implement this:
1) Form a committee of about 3 volunteers plus yourself

2) create a thread somewhere that only these people have permission to post to, but others can read.

3) Create the rules by a dialog there


Perhaps we could start a "Suggestion Box" sub forum for Harlan.

Why does this feel like deja-vu?


We could just call it the Harlem Box

Of course I'd never post there because I don't believe in the Rule Box

HH is right; I'm so opposed to them I might be good at it. OK, I'm on it

Here's my only rule

Treat others with respect or you may get any individual or individual thread deleted at the discretion of the Admin

There ya go Harlan; There is your rule, and that is the only one :wink:

To be honest when disrespect and fighting breaks out I have no problem putting a thread in the dark room.......whatever that is.

Gosh it's great not to have to be as politically correct as I use to try to be :!:

[Harlan Huckleby]

Here's my only rule

Treat others with respect or you may get any individual or individual thread deleted at the discretion of the Admin

There ya go Harlan; There is your rule, and that is the only one :wink:

cool, I accept your judgement.


Beaver Shots Everywhere!

The downside is its going to take some time to get used to treating MrAynRand with respect. You win some, you lose some.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

This is never going to work, respecting each other.

Conservatives like Tex would rather leave this forum than do that.

ALL HAIL THE NEW POLICY.

If only we had known that was the key to getting rid of him.

[SkinBasket]

Joe, I think the GC has a very appropriate place in this whole madness. This site isnt just about football. Its an intermingling of people in a community that has been together for the better part of 5+ years. The main focus of the board is football but there's so much more to it. Sometimes I want to come here and read some really stupid stuff or see bizarre pics of asian teens with stuffed animals. Sometimes I want to read only football. I like having a choice. Thats what makes this place great.

If this board turns into a stale sports only site, it will fall back into the pack of 8million other sites that already exist. The reason people keep coming here is the diversity.

IMO, deleting a thread should pretty much only occur when it labels someones personal info or somehow endangers a persons identity. Otherwise, just put the rest in the garbage....can.

Truer words were never spoken. Deleting the Garbage Can and turning the RR into essentially a pre-teen hangout for general OT threads would turn this place into any other site out there. Treating this place as a football forum that "doesn't need" the components that, while trivial or small or disgusting, built this place into what it is, seems like a great way to make sure no one logs in in the off season, then forget they ever came here anyway.

I disagree that Borat's man-kini should be enough to get a thread deleted in the Romper Room, but obviously I lost that fight when lesbians holding hands and cartoon sailors that insinuated they might possibly be gay were banned from the RR.

Not trying to stir trouble. It just makes me a little sad to think about how much this place has changed for the blander since it was conceived and would hate to see it make those final steps that would strip it entirely of it's identity. I don't want to make more out of this than it is, but it looks like that baseline for what is and isn't acceptable has moved again - toward the bland.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I disagree that Borat's man-kini should be enough to get a thread deleted in the Romper Room, but obviously I lost that fight when lesbians holding hands and cartoon sailors that insinuated they might possibly be gay were banned from the RR.


You have got to be kidding me.

Was that Borat picture the reason the thread was censored?


I can't believe that people sheepishly submit to this sort of censorship, being treated like children.

[MJZiggy]

I disagree that Borat's man-kini should be enough to get a thread deleted in the Romper Room, but obviously I lost that fight when lesbians holding hands and cartoon sailors that insinuated they might possibly be gay were banned from the RR.


You have got to be kidding me.

Was that Borat picture the reason the thread was censored?


I can't believe that people sheepishly submit to this sort of censorship, being treated like children.

Wait...a thread was deleted for Borat? The same Borat that JH used to use as an avatar???

[SkinBasket]

Before Borat becomes a battle-cry and his mankini the banner in the battle for what constitutes adult humor (we are being asked to act like adults after all) and what is inappropriate, I should state that I am assuming that's the picture being referred to in this thread. Obviously, I didn't delete it so I can't say that's what did it.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Actually, it doesn't really matter why the thread was deleted.

Joe the Administrator is simply enforcing his standards of what is acceptable. He owns the forum, and his judgement is the standard.

Joe doesn't want that gross garbage can on his site. THIS IS NOT AN UNREASONABLE POSITION. Many people would share this view, and most people who paid money for a site would undoubtably get rid of it.

Joe is not the problem, and should not be personally criticized.

The problem is the ridiculous proposition that a community of conversationalists such as this should be "owned" by an individual, and that a single person should set all the policies.

[SkinBasket]

Remember this?



The effect of not having a policy is to promote a social conformity.

And the effect of having such a policy is to promote forced conformity in a social setting.

Ah. The more things change, the more they stay the same. And like most of the philosophical, moral, and ethical battles that have been waged, discussed, mended and re-fought on this site, it can be found in the Garbage Can. There's a lot that can be learned from reading the threads that have ended up in it's depths - about the site, about us as posters and as people, about the line that Joe is trying to walk. All you got to do is look past it's gruff cock shaped exterior to find a treasure trove of some of the most important and thought-provoking threads these last few years have had to offer. It's quite literally the historical annals of our time here together.

It's easy to say parts of this site are disgusting, embarrassing, troubling, loathsome, and offensive. It's more difficult to say you weren't a part of that and that's not a part of what we are.

[Scott Campbell]

That's what I meant by deja-vu.

Remember Harlan's Forum Utopia?

[Scott Campbell]

I disagree that Borat's man-kini should be enough to get a thread deleted in the Romper Room, but obviously I lost that fight when lesbians holding hands and cartoon sailors that insinuated they might possibly be gay were banned from the RR.


You have got to be kidding me.

Was that Borat picture the reason the thread was censored?


I can't believe that people sheepishly submit to this sort of censorship, being treated like children.

Wait...a thread was deleted for Borat?


He does have a lot of body hair.

[Scott Campbell]

.....

[retailguy]

Remember this?



The effect of not having a policy is to promote a social conformity.

And the effect of having such a policy is to promote forced conformity in a social setting.

Ah. The more things change, the more they stay the same. And like most of the philosophical, moral, and ethical battles that have been waged, discussed, mended and re-fought on this site, it can be found in the Garbage Can. There's a lot that can be learned from reading the threads that have ended up in it's depths - about the site, about us as posters and as people, about the line that Joe is trying to walk. All you got to do is look past it's gruff cock shaped exterior to find a treasure trove of some of the most important and thought-provoking threads these last few years have had to offer. It's quite literally the historical annals of our time here together.

It's easy to say parts of this site are disgusting, embarrassing, troubling, loathsome, and offensive. It's more difficult to say you weren't a part of that and that's not a part of what we are.


Holy crap. Never thought I'd agree with SkinBasket. But I do. :shock:

The world is ending.