Lumpkin or Wynn

[HarveyWallbangers]

Assuming Jackson makes the team, who gets the nod as the 3rd RB? My vote for Lumpkin will trump Harlan's vote for Wynn.

Backup RBs All Have Their Strengths

http://www.packers.com/news/stories/2009/06/08/1/

[BZnDallas]

Lumpkin is my vote...

i think he has more upside but that doesn't mean i'm as down on wynn as i've read others are... just like lumpkin as the 3rd back... just one mans opinion...

[pbmax]

I am hoping its Wynn, but the odds of him pulling together his head and his health are long. He has all the tools. I also wonder if the 3rd down back like Sutton would be a better addition, should he be more than serviceable.

[bobblehead]

I bashed wynn last preseason, but the time on the practice squad seems to have given him a taste of life without being handed things.

His upside is WAY higher than Lumpkin so I'm hoping he is over his PMS and ready to play like a man.

[Lurker64]

Assuming Wynn finally gets it together, learns to play through a little pain, and capitalizes on his natural gifts, he's the pick.

Barring an uncharacteristic move by Wynn though...

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/5768/677948-fuzzylumpkins_large.jpg

[Patler]

I will take my response in a little different direction. I think both should make the roster, with only one of the more pure fullback types.

Under Holmgren, Edger Bennett was the fullback in ’93 and ’94. When he moved to RB in ’95, Dorsey Levens was at FB. Both had a lot of carries as well as receptions. In Henderson’s early years, he would get a couple carries a game, as well as a few passes thrown his way. The fullback disappeared from the running game under Sherman. MM has said on several occasions that he wants to restore the FB as an option in the running game as well as the passing game. He could do that with combinations of Grant, Jackson, Wynn and Lumpkin in at the same time.

Hall hasn’t been able to avoid injuries, and can’t be counted on for special teams because of it. Besides, there will be more linebacker types for ST play anyway. Kuhn is the proverbial “just a guy”. MM has trained the tight ends to line up as fullbacks. Let Hall, Kuhn and Johnson fight it out for one spot as the blocking specialist, which from the sounds of things should go to Johnson. Keep him and four others with more running potential. I can see more value in a fourth RB than a second FB. Chances are that one of Hall or Kuhn would be available to sign if Johnson were to be lost for an extended period of time anyway.

[Fritz]

Patler, I'm totally with you on this one. One of the other coots (PB? KY?) and I (a middle-aged coot myself) have long agreed that it'd be nice to see the "other" running back get some carries or receptions in this offense. A few carries per game and a couple passes would, if nothing else, make the fake to the fullback slightly more effective.

So I say let Kuhn, Hall, and Johnson duke it out.

[sheepshead]

Is Wynn a better receiver? I havent seen enough of either guy to know for sure.

[KYPack]

Patler, I'm totally with you on this one. One of the other coots (PB? KY?) and I (a middle-aged coot myself) have long agreed that it'd be nice to see the "other" running back get some carries or receptions in this offense. A few carries per game and a couple passes would, if nothing else, make the fake to the fullback slightly more effective.

So I say let Kuhn, Hall, and Johnson duke it out.

I'm with Patler also, for some additional reasons.

I've been down on our fullback tandem for some time. Hall can't block consistently and gets hurt quite a bit. Kuhn is a fair blocker, but that's all he can do. Neither one of 'em had a good year on ST. One of these two guys is all we need.

Don Hutson was the other coot who urged a return to the "two back tandem" days. I'm now joining that chorus. The days of the monster FB constantly lead blocking has lost it's effectiveness. Every defense in the league has steeled itself against the one dimensional FB.

Having a 2 RB tandem would help the passing game to an extent. A quick back who could run an effective route in the seam would help against the modern zone. That backside seam can be exploited and most teams do that quite well vs the cover 2. MM is an offensive thinker that runs a lot of seam and shallow cross routes. 2 backs would give him another tool.

These two players at FB are both marginal guys. Keep the best 5 backs and let the chips fall where they may.

[Harlan Huckleby]

blocking is kind of a specialty. There really aren't many running backs who can do it, particularly in the running game.

Maybe they just need bigger shoulder pads and peanut-shaped helmets.

I don't know who that "other" running back his but he seems to lack public confidence.

[KYPack]

oops

[DonHutson]

I've never been a fan of DeShawn "Mommy it Hurts" Wynn, but if he can change his ways, I can change my tune.

Until then I'll take reliability over upside at the #3 spot. That would suggest Lumpkin, or maybe even one of the undrafted FA's. Nobody should be ruled out in June.

[retailguy]

I bashed wynn last preseason, but the time on the practice squad seems to have given him a taste of life without being handed things.

His upside is WAY higher than Lumpkin so I'm hoping he is over his PMS and ready to play like a man.

It is pretty tough for guys with a poor work ethic to change. Doesn't happen very often.

Pretty sure that when the rubber meets the road, Wynn will prove he hasn't changed.

Agree about the upside, but I'd rather have a hard worker with limited upside, than a lazy guy with all the talent in the world.

My vote goes to Lumpkin, could change based on what we see and hear in the preseason.

[oregonpackfan]

I bashed wynn last preseason, but the time on the practice squad seems to have given him a taste of life without being handed things.

His upside is WAY higher than Lumpkin so I'm hoping he is over his PMS and ready to play like a man.

It is pretty tough for guys with a poor work ethic to change. Doesn't happen very often.

Pretty sure that when the rubber meets the road, Wynn will prove he hasn't changed.

Agree about the upside, but I'd rather have a hard worker with limited upside, than a lazy guy with all the talent in the world.

My vote goes to Lumpkin, could change based on what we see and hear in the preseason.

What he said...

I also agree with the senior posters who advocate for a more pass-catching and ball-carrying role for the fullback.

[packers11]

Way to early to tell... When Lumpkin played, it looked like he had potential, same with Wynn... This poll would be perfect right before final cuts... (we'd get to view their preseason action)

I'll stay undecided for now ...

[BallHawk]

If Quinn Johnson performed really well in training camp would people be swayed towards Lumpkin?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Agree about the upside, but I'd rather have a hard worker with limited upside, than a lazy guy with all the talent in the world .

Just because you call somebody lazy doesn't make it true. Edgar Bennett often praised Wynn's progress and efforts last training camp.

[Packgator]

Is Wynn a better receiver? I havent seen enough of either guy to know for sure.

I'd say Lumkin is the better receiver.

Wynn = Gator
Lumpkin = Bulldog

Hard for me to do this.......I'm going with Lumpkin. He runs very hard and has more upside. Better on special teams as well?

[bobblehead]

I bashed wynn last preseason, but the time on the practice squad seems to have given him a taste of life without being handed things.

His upside is WAY higher than Lumpkin so I'm hoping he is over his PMS and ready to play like a man.

It is pretty tough for guys with a poor work ethic to change. Doesn't happen very often.

Pretty sure that when the rubber meets the road, Wynn will prove he hasn't changed.

Agree about the upside, but I'd rather have a hard worker with limited upside, than a lazy guy with all the talent in the world.

My vote goes to Lumpkin, could change based on what we see and hear in the preseason.
I tend to agree with you, but young guys who don't work out can and do change. Is Wynn that guy?? Not sure, only time will tell, but its not the same as a lazy shelf stocker changing his work ethic.

What we are talking about here is a guy who got cut and no one signed last year. The actual realization that for the first time in his life his talent alone won't cut it and his options are 400k + a year or stocking said shelfs he may make the change...not saying he will, but I would have to know him in depth to make that guess.

[rbaloha1]

Tough call. Wynn's attitude has really improved along with his body. Ability to pickup the blitz slightly moves Wynn ahead of Lumpkin.

[Pacopete4]

Tough call. Wynn's attitude has really improved along with his body. Ability to pickup the blitz slightly moves Wynn ahead of Lumpkin.


I'm not trying to be a dick here but how in the world could u possible know that?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Tough call. Wynn's attitude has really improved along with his body. Ability to pickup the blitz slightly moves Wynn ahead of Lumpkin.

I'm not trying to be a dick here but how in the world could u possible know that?

The article referenced in the first post of this thread read:


DeShawn Wynn: Perhaps the best of the bunch at blitz pickup and pass protection, Wynn showed just how valuable he can be in that department last season.

[retailguy]

Agree about the upside, but I'd rather have a hard worker with limited upside, than a lazy guy with all the talent in the world .

Just because you call somebody lazy doesn't make it true. Edgar Bennett often praised Wynn's progress and efforts last training camp.

:P I recognize that I bashed your boy Harlan, but c'mon, how many of these guys change their work ethic? Really?

Maybe Edgar was just trying to motivate the guy? Hell, I'm not there and I don't know, but that wouldn't be the first time words were used to "try" and motivate someone.

[pbmax]

Patler, I'm totally with you on this one. One of the other coots (PB? KY?) and I (a middle-aged coot myself) have long agreed that it'd be nice to see the "other" running back...

Et tu Fritz?

First time I have ever been called an old coot. At least it was by someone who hasn't seen me.

Hey you posters! GET OFF MY LAWN!! :smack:

[pbmax]

Having a 2 RB tandem would help the passing game to an extent. A quick back who could run an effective route in the seam would help against the modern zone. That backside seam can be exploited and most teams do that quite well vs the cover 2. MM is an offensive thinker that runs a lot of seam and shallow cross routes. 2 backs would give him another tool.
Some consider this development, the threat of both running backs catching passes, to be one of the key developments in the Walsh Offense. Walsh loved that this threat would open up running lanes later in the game.

Walsh Offense: A Contrarian View (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/extra-points/2007/west-coast-offense-contrarian-view)

[Fritz]

Patler, I'm totally with you on this one. One of the other coots (PB? KY?) and I (a middle-aged coot myself) have long agreed that it'd be nice to see the "other" running back...

Et tu Fritz?

First time I have ever been called an old coot. At least it was by someone who hasn't seen me.

Hey you posters! GET OFF MY LAWN!! :smack:

I judge people by their avatars, PB. You look like Fritz Shurmur, a true old coot, in yours. Patler is a smart, professorial-looking cartoon beagle. KY looks like Harlan Sanders in a jogging suit and coaching whistle. Waldo is a bifocal-wearing simian, and GB007 is a cartoon hottie, as is the silhouetted MJ Ziggy.


Makes my life easy. Makes me unsure I ever really want to meet any of you for real. I'm sure you're all fine people, but I'm not sure what I'd do if Deputy Nutz didn't look like a cheesy porn star in real life.

As for the fullback thing, we're in agreement. But if Wynn and Lumpkin both make it, can we call them "Wynnkin"?/ Or would that be "Lumpwynn"?

[Joemailman]

Tough call here. Both were among the highest rated RB's in the nation coming out of high school. Lumpkin was 2nd only to Reggie Bush. Wynn has had his injury problems with the Packers, perhaps due in part to lack of conditioning his first year. Lumpkin had numerous injury problems at Georgia, and got hurt last year with the Packers. The battle could come down to which one can make it through training camp healthy. I give the edge to Wynn because he seemed to turn a corner last year in terms of his conditioning, and he had a 100 yard game to close the season.

[RashanGary]

This one is too tough to call. Like joe said, both guys were high potential prospects that had tough times in college. Both are big, fast backs that can make guys miss.

I voted Wynn because he looks to be in great shape this year and I've always thought he was a good runner. It could go a number of ways. Regardless of how it turns out, I think the Packers have good depth at RB. I'm definitely open to keeping one FB and 4 RB's too. Lumpkin looks like the best bet to play backup FB.

[pbmax]

Is anyone going to OTAs today?

[Fritz]

This one is too tough to call. Like joe said, both guys were high potential prospects that had tough times in college. Both are big, fast backs that can make guys miss.

I voted Wynn because he looks to be in great shape this year and I've always thought he was a good runner. It could go a number of ways. Regardless of how it turns out, I think the Packers have good depth at RB. I'm definitely open to keeping one FB and 4 RB's too. Lumpkin looks like the best bet to play backup FB.

I know, I know. But I'm leaning toward "Lumpwynn" myself.

[BobDobbs]

We haven't seen alot of them, but so far Lumpkin seems like he has a stronger short distance burst. He's my favorite back to watch run, because there's no fucking around.

But, Wynn does surprise me with sneaky elusiveness and he did break off that big run last year. That's takes some speed. We'll see he's always looked pudgy to me.

The thing I don't like about keeping one FB is that I haven't seen any of our RBs run block and until I do I have to assume they won't do it as well. This is a problem in the event of injury, but also predicability. If we've got say Wynn and Jackson in a split backfield the defense is thinking pass right? I remember a quote form a defensive opponent early last year that basically said if Grant lines up watch for the run if its Jackson watch for the pass. That is no good.

If we keep 4 RBs one of those guys better be able to lead block effectively so that we can set up the defense to guess pass when it's actually a run down their throat.

[Joemailman]

I don't think there's any way they keep just 1 FB given that Quinn Johnson, a rookie is likely to make the team. They'll keep a veteran to pair with him. The Packers did keep 4 RB's in 2007 (Grant, Jackson, Wynn, Morency), so it's not inconceivable they could do that again, especially if they get hit by injuries at the position.

[SnakeLH2006]

No offense HW, but this poll is kinda like asking if you like to jerk off (Wynn) or get a nice BJ (Lumpkin). Off course we'd like a BJ, as long as it isn't followed by Sanders. :shock: :D 8-)

[Harlan Huckleby]

But, Wynn does surprise me with sneaky elusiveness and he did break off that big run last year. That's takes some speed. We'll see he's always looked pudgy to me.

No, no, he's not pudgy, he's stocky.

(This is an inside joke. I used to tell my dad that Mickey Mantle was fat, and my dad would say very indignantly, "He's not fat, he's husky." Shadow has some similar stories involving The Babe.)

[KYPack]

But, Wynn does surprise me with sneaky elusiveness and he did break off that big run last year. That's takes some speed. We'll see he's always looked pudgy to me.

No, no, he's not pudgy, he's stocky.

(This is an inside joke. I used to tell my dad that Mickey Mantle was fat, and my dad would say very indignantly, "He's not fat, he's husky." Shadow has some similar stories involving The Babe.)

The Mick wasn't fat, even at the end. Hell, if you drank that many Crown and Cokes, you'd have a little belly on ya, too.

I think you and your dad were looking at Harmon Killebrew.

[oregonpackfan]

Patler, I'm totally with you on this one. One of the other coots (PB? KY?) and I (a middle-aged coot myself) have long agreed that it'd be nice to see the "other" running back...

Et tu Fritz?

First time I have ever been called an old coot. At least it was by someone who hasn't seen me.

Hey you posters! GET OFF MY LAWN!! :smack:

I judge people by their avatars, PB. You look like Fritz Shurmur, a true old coot, in yours. Patler is a smart, professorial-looking cartoon beagle. KY looks like Harlan Sanders in a jogging suit and coaching whistle. Waldo is a bifocal-wearing simian, and GB007 is a cartoon hottie, as is the silhouetted MJ Ziggy.


Makes my life easy. Makes me unsure I ever really want to meet any of you for real. I'm sure you're all fine people, but I'm not sure what I'd do if Deputy Nutz didn't look like a cheesy porn star in real life.

As for the fullback thing, we're in agreement. But if Wynn and Lumpkin both make it, can we call them "Wynnkin"?/ Or would that be "Lumpwynn"?

Fritz,

If you have ever shown up at one of the PR gatherings, you will quickly realize the posters are hardly what your physically imagined them to be in real life. We come in all shapes, sizes, and colors! :)

[MJZiggy]

OP, my dear, you were exactly as I had imagined! Skinbasket not so much.

[Fritz]

Patler, I'm totally with you on this one. One of the other coots (PB? KY?) and I (a middle-aged coot myself) have long agreed that it'd be nice to see the "other" running back...

Et tu Fritz?

First time I have ever been called an old coot. At least it was by someone who hasn't seen me.

Hey you posters! GET OFF MY LAWN!! :smack:

I judge people by their avatars, PB. You look like Fritz Shurmur, a true old coot, in yours. Patler is a smart, professorial-looking cartoon beagle. KY looks like Harlan Sanders in a jogging suit and coaching whistle. Waldo is a bifocal-wearing simian, and GB007 is a cartoon hottie, as is the silhouetted MJ Ziggy.


Makes my life easy. Makes me unsure I ever really want to meet any of you for real. I'm sure you're all fine people, but I'm not sure what I'd do if Deputy Nutz didn't look like a cheesy porn star in real life.

As for the fullback thing, we're in agreement. But if Wynn and Lumpkin both make it, can we call them "Wynnkin"?/ Or would that be "Lumpwynn"?

Fritz,

If you have ever shown up at one of the PR gatherings, you will quickly realize the posters are hardly what your physically imagined them to be in real life. We come in all shapes, sizes, and colors! :)

That's my point, OP. That's my point. I like my Patlers to be bi-focal-wearing beagles and my KYPacks to be the Colonel himself.

Oh - and I think the fullback thing, in toto, would be DeKregg Lumpwynn.

[MJZiggy]

You really should go to a posters game. Puts things in a far different perspective. (but in kind of a "he's really not that much of an idiot in person" kinda way).

Is anybody actually GOING to this thing this year?

BTW, Lumpkin.

[Fritz]

Yes, I would imagine that to be the case. But what if I'm better in words than in person?

Hmmm. I'll have to think about this whole posters game.