Favre: the man, the legend. Are we having fun yet?

[Harlan Huckleby]

I say no news is bad news. I'm thrilled that Favre is coming back. The only thing better would be to watch him tear up the Arena League. Football is circus, it's not war or buying a house or unemployment or even jock itch. I consider myself a Favre fan, I'm not hoping to see him screw up. I do understand how his big-time fans would prefer that he ride safely and gracefully off into the sunset. I don't care much if he falls off his horse.

[Pacopete4]

I like it Harlan. Ya, if he fails.. He fails. But I get to watch him play some more and I'm truely estatic about that. If he goesand does do well I will be very happy for him as well as in my eyes he deserves to. This place may explode during the season if he does well but oh well I guess. He can't play forever... Or can he? Hehe :P

[Brando19]

I think it's shitty that he wants to stick it to the organization that made him. He doesn't give a damn about the fans. I've been the biggest Favre fan ever...but until he grows up...fuck him.

[Jimx29]

I think it's shitty that he wants to stick it to the organization that made him. He doesn't give a damn about the fans. I've been the biggest Favre fan ever...but until he grows up...fuck him.Don't fool yourself. He's "sticking it" to TT and no one else.

I hope he gets that one more super bowl ring that he had little to no chance of getting it here as long as TT had anything to say about it.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Don't fool yourself. He's "sticking it" to TT and no one else. .

I agree, the fans have zero to do with this, and Favre doesn't owe it to the fans to stay away from football.

As to his sticking it to TT ... maybe. But he's a 40 year-old player, he has just a good a chance of being a flop as he does at sticking it to anybody.

[gex]

I think it's shitty that he wants to stick it to the organization that made him. He doesn't give a damn about the fans. I've been the biggest Favre fan ever...but until he grows up...fuck him.Don't fool yourself. He's "sticking it" to TT and no one else.

I hope he gets that one more super bowl ring that he had little to no chance of getting it here as long as TT had anything to say about it.

qft

[gex]

BTW, its THE MAN, THE MYTH, THE LIVING LEGEND
lol :lol:

[Bossman641]

I think it's shitty that he wants to stick it to the organization that made him. He doesn't give a damn about the fans. I've been the biggest Favre fan ever...but until he grows up...fuck him.Don't fool yourself. He's "sticking it" to TT and no one else.

I hope he gets that one more super bowl ring that he had little to no chance of getting it here as long as TT had anything to say about it.

Yea, it was a real shame Favre never made it to OT of the NFC championship game with TT at the helm :roll:

[MOBB DEEP]

I say no news is bad news. I'm thrilled that Favre is coming back. The only thing better would be to watch him tear up the Arena League. Football is circus, it's not war or buying a house or unemployment or even jock itch. I consider myself a Favre fan, I'm not hoping to see him screw up. I do understand how his big-time fans would prefer that he ride safely and gracefully off into the sunset. I don't care much if he falls off his horse.

well and SIMPLY put

hard to understand why folk dont get that this is the stance that gushers take

but like benedict arnold and his wife penny penny, favre and deanna are misunderstood

[MOBB DEEP]

I like it Harlan. Ya, if he fails.. He fails. But I get to watch him play some more and I'm truely estatic about that. If he goesand does do well I will be very happy for him as well as in my eyes he deserves to. This place may explode during the season if he does well but oh well I guess. He can't play forever... Or can he? Hehe :P

QFT

[Freak Out]

It's ok.....but I voted fun because people get so fucking crazy and it's FUN to watch.

[Zool]

I think it's shitty that he wants to stick it to the organization that made him. He doesn't give a damn about the fans. I've been the biggest Favre fan ever...but until he grows up...fuck him.Don't fool yourself. He's "sticking it" to TT and no one else.

I hope he gets that one more super bowl ring that he had little to no chance of getting it here as long as TT had anything to say about it.

Wow. You actually want the Vikings to win a SB? I don't give a fuck if Bart Starr came out of retirement to play for the Vikings. I want them to lose as many games as possible every year.

I will admit I took some pleasure in the 15-1 season having them lose so close to the SB, but fuck all if I would ever want them to win one. They could have an entire roster of former Packers in their prime and I would want them to lose.

BTW, while Thompson is GM of the Packers, he's trying to stick it to the Packers.

[Jimx29]

I think it's shitty that he wants to stick it to the organization that made him. He doesn't give a damn about the fans. I've been the biggest Favre fan ever...but until he grows up...fuck him.Don't fool yourself. He's "sticking it" to TT and no one else.

I hope he gets that one more super bowl ring that he had little to no chance of getting it here as long as TT had anything to say about it.

Yea, it was a real shame Favre never made it to OT of the NFC championship game with TT at the helm :roll:I wonder.....what would of been had TT picked up Moss.......

[TheCheese]

Wow. You actually want the Vikings to win a SB? I don't give a fuck if Bart Starr came out of retirement to play for the Vikings. I want them to lose as many games as possible every year.

I will admit I took some pleasure in the 15-1 season having them lose so close to the SB, but fuck all if I would ever want them to win one. They could have an entire roster of former Packers in their prime and I would want them to lose.

BTW, while Thompson is GM of the Packers, he's trying to stick it to the Packers.

Now this is a Packers fan. Well said.

[MJZiggy]

I think it's shitty that he wants to stick it to the organization that made him. He doesn't give a damn about the fans. I've been the biggest Favre fan ever...but until he grows up...fuck him.Don't fool yourself. He's "sticking it" to TT and no one else.

I hope he gets that one more super bowl ring that he had little to no chance of getting it here as long as TT had anything to say about it.

Yea, it was a real shame Favre never made it to OT of the NFC championship game with TT at the helm :roll:I wonder.....what would of been had TT picked up Moss....... Yes, imagine the players we have now that we'd have missed out on had he done that...

I voted fun, because of the distinct possibility that he could completely screw up the Minnesota Vikings for years to come. Delicious.

[ThunderDan]

I think it's shitty that he wants to stick it to the organization that made him. He doesn't give a damn about the fans. I've been the biggest Favre fan ever...but until he grows up...fuck him.Don't fool yourself. He's "sticking it" to TT and no one else.

I hope he gets that one more super bowl ring that he had little to no chance of getting it here as long as TT had anything to say about it.

Yea, it was a real shame Favre never made it to OT of the NFC championship game with TT at the helm :roll:I wonder.....what would of been had TT picked up Moss.......

Let's see... Jennings wouldn't have developed as quickly, we would have still been 13-3 in the regular season and I didn't see one ball thrown by BF in the championship game that Moss would have caught that our receivers dropped.

So in summary, Moss would have hurt the Packers in the long run and done nothing to improve the team in 2007.

[Deputy Nutz]

I think it's shitty that he wants to stick it to the organization that made him. He doesn't give a damn about the fans. I've been the biggest Favre fan ever...but until he grows up...fuck him.Don't fool yourself. He's "sticking it" to TT and no one else.

I hope he gets that one more super bowl ring that he had little to no chance of getting it here as long as TT had anything to say about it.

Yea, it was a real shame Favre never made it to OT of the NFC championship game with TT at the helm :roll:

Funny, how many winning seasons has TT had at the helm? Whats his record as GM?

[Deputy Nutz]

I think it's shitty that he wants to stick it to the organization that made him. He doesn't give a damn about the fans. I've been the biggest Favre fan ever...but until he grows up...fuck him.

I don't think he thinks that this is the same organization that he developed in, won a super bowl with, he simply did not like Ted Thompson, never really wanted to know Mark Murphy, and was less than warm with McCarthy.

How come there is no blame for Ted Thompson, why does Thompson care so much for the fan? Tell me why Thompson loves the fans so much?

[Zool]

I think it's shitty that he wants to stick it to the organization that made him. He doesn't give a damn about the fans. I've been the biggest Favre fan ever...but until he grows up...fuck him.

I don't think he thinks that this is the same organization that he developed in, won a super bowl with, he simply did not like Ted Thompson, never really wanted to know Mark Murphy, and was less than warm with McCarthy.

How come there is no blame for Ted Thompson, why does Thompson care so much for the fan? Tell me why Thompson loves the fans so much?

Tell me how its OK for a Packer fan to want the Packers to lose because a former Packer is on the opposing team.

[PlantPage55]

How come there is no blame for Ted Thompson

Because Ted Thompson didn't do anything wrong in this Brett Favre situation. Not a single thing.

[Deputy Nutz]

I think it's shitty that he wants to stick it to the organization that made him. He doesn't give a damn about the fans. I've been the biggest Favre fan ever...but until he grows up...fuck him.

I don't think he thinks that this is the same organization that he developed in, won a super bowl with, he simply did not like Ted Thompson, never really wanted to know Mark Murphy, and was less than warm with McCarthy.

How come there is no blame for Ted Thompson, why does Thompson care so much for the fan? Tell me why Thompson loves the fans so much?

Tell me how its OK for a Packer fan to want the Packers to lose because a former Packer is on the opposing team.

Because it brings juice baby, lots of juice.

[Deputy Nutz]

How come there is no blame for Ted Thompson

Because Ted Thompson didn't do anything wrong in this Brett Favre situation. Not a single thing.

Really, from whose prospective? Your post had very little in terms of thought and care, do better next time.

[PlantPage55]

How come there is no blame for Ted Thompson

Because Ted Thompson didn't do anything wrong in this Brett Favre situation. Not a single thing.

Really, from whose prospective? Your post had very little in terms of thought and care, do better next time.

From my perspective (and the perspectives of others). I think that's pretty obvious seeing as though it's, you know, MY post. :roll:

[Bossman641]

I think it's shitty that he wants to stick it to the organization that made him. He doesn't give a damn about the fans. I've been the biggest Favre fan ever...but until he grows up...fuck him.Don't fool yourself. He's "sticking it" to TT and no one else.

I hope he gets that one more super bowl ring that he had little to no chance of getting it here as long as TT had anything to say about it.

Yea, it was a real shame Favre never made it to OT of the NFC championship game with TT at the helm :roll:

Funny, how many winning seasons has TT had at the helm? Whats his record as GM?

Why don't you re-read what Numb was complaining about? Seems like Favre had quite the chance of getting another super bow ring, but he (along with others) blew the chance.

[Deputy Nutz]

How come there is no blame for Ted Thompson

Because Ted Thompson didn't do anything wrong in this Brett Favre situation. Not a single thing.

Really, from whose prospective? Your post had very little in terms of thought and care, do better next time.

From my perspective (and the perspectives of others). I think that's pretty obvious seeing as though it's, you know, MY post. :roll:

Well good for you, no good for you. How do you know he didn't do anything wrong? have you been sitting next to him this whole time? WOW!

[Deputy Nutz]

I think it's shitty that he wants to stick it to the organization that made him. He doesn't give a damn about the fans. I've been the biggest Favre fan ever...but until he grows up...fuck him.Don't fool yourself. He's "sticking it" to TT and no one else.

I hope he gets that one more super bowl ring that he had little to no chance of getting it here as long as TT had anything to say about it.

Yea, it was a real shame Favre never made it to OT of the NFC championship game with TT at the helm :roll:

Funny, how many winning seasons has TT had at the helm? Whats his record as GM?

Why don't you re-read what Numb was complaining about? Seems like Favre had quite the chance of getting another super bow ring, but he (along with others) blew the chance.

See the Favre bashers like to play this coin two ways, first they like to say that 2007 was lucky, lots of good breaks went the way of the Packers, and for Favre, then they flip and say well in 2008 the team could have made another run. Well which one is it, were they contenders with Favre in 2008 or because they had no Favre they were 6-10, well no because the defense was bad in 2008, Favre couldn't have won more than 6 games because the defense let them down so bad, I mean just look at Aaron Rodgers stats, how could you lose 10 games with stats like those!

So which way is it, would Favre and the Packers have made a run at the Super in 2008, or were they simply just a lucky team in 2007? If you and other were so sure that a Favre led Packers in 2008 would have found themselve playing for the possibility to make and win the Super Bowl why all the blame on Favre? Shouldn't he have been allowed to come back simply on the potential for a trip to a Super Bowl?

[RashanGary]

I agree with plantpage. There is zero good evidence that Thompson has done anything wrong. By all accounts he's a great man and a hard worker who's job puts him in the line of fire, sadly.

[Deputy Nutz]

I agree with plantpage. There is zero good evidence that Thompson has done anything wrong. By all accounts he's a great man and a hard worker who's job puts him in the line of fire, sadly.

Brilliant! Thompson needs his nuts polished, get to work.

[RashanGary]

I agree with plantpage. There is zero good evidence that Thompson has done anything wrong. By all accounts he's a great man and a hard worker who's job puts him in the line of fire, sadly.

Brilliant! Thompson needs his nuts polished, get to work.

Sorry you feel that way. I respect and admire honest people with good work ethic. It would be interesting why you support the people you support.

[Zool]

I agree with plantpage. There is zero good evidence that Thompson has done anything wrong. By all accounts he's a great man and a hard worker who's job puts him in the line of fire, sadly.

Brilliant! Thompson needs his nuts polished, get to work.

You don't look Polish

[Bossman641]

I think it's shitty that he wants to stick it to the organization that made him. He doesn't give a damn about the fans. I've been the biggest Favre fan ever...but until he grows up...fuck him.Don't fool yourself. He's "sticking it" to TT and no one else.

I hope he gets that one more super bowl ring that he had little to no chance of getting it here as long as TT had anything to say about it.

Yea, it was a real shame Favre never made it to OT of the NFC championship game with TT at the helm :roll:

Funny, how many winning seasons has TT had at the helm? Whats his record as GM?

Why don't you re-read what Numb was complaining about? Seems like Favre had quite the chance of getting another super bow ring, but he (along with others) blew the chance.

See the Favre bashers like to play this coin two ways, first they like to say that 2007 was lucky, lots of good breaks went the way of the Packers, and for Favre, then they flip and say well in 2008 the team could have made another run. Well which one is it, were they contenders with Favre in 2008 or because they had no Favre they were 6-10, well no because the defense was bad in 2008, Favre couldn't have won more than 6 games because the defense let them down so bad, I mean just look at Aaron Rodgers stats, how could you lose 10 games with stats like those!

So which way is it, would Favre and the Packers have made a run at the Super in 2008, or were they simply just a lucky team in 2007? If you and other were so sure that a Favre led Packers in 2008 would have found themselve playing for the possibility to make and win the Super Bowl why all the blame on Favre? Shouldn't he have been allowed to come back simply on the potential for a trip to a Super Bowl?

Going into 2008, the Packers would have been a contender. There was no possible way to know beforehand all the things that would go wrong in 2008 that had absolutely nothing to do with the offense. It wouldn't have mattered if they had Favre, Rodgers, or Jesus at QB. They still wouldn't have been able to do anything with the defense bleeding points.

As for whether Favre should have been allowed back based on the fact there was potential for a SB trip. That depends on whether you feel one player is bigger than the team (which I don't) and how much of a dropoff you believed the change from Favre to Rodgers would be (slim to none).

[PlantPage55]

I agree with plantpage. There is zero good evidence that Thompson has done anything wrong. By all accounts he's a great man and a hard worker who's job puts him in the line of fire, sadly.

Brilliant! Thompson needs his nuts polished, get to work.

This post had very little in terms of thought and care, do better next time.

No, but seriously. Brett retired and Thompson AND McCarthy set in motion a plan to move on from there. Brett coming back was throwing a wrench into that plan and they did nothing wrong THAT WE KNOW OF (there, are you happy?) in the process of keeping their own plans going forward.

[Fritz]

I'm with Zig. The thought of Brett Favre having so many memorable years in Green Bay has been wonderful for me, and the thought of Brett Favre now possibly messing up the Vikings is simply delicious.

My opinion is that he's already causing some consternation for the Vikings - and he hasn't even signed with them yet!

[Deputy Nutz]

I agree with plantpage. There is zero good evidence that Thompson has done anything wrong. By all accounts he's a great man and a hard worker who's job puts him in the line of fire, sadly.

Brilliant! Thompson needs his nuts polished, get to work.

This post had very little in terms of thought and care, do better next time.

No, but seriously. Brett retired and Thompson AND McCarthy set in motion a plan to move on from there. Brett coming back was throwing a wrench into that plan and they did nothing wrong THAT WE KNOW OF (there, are you happy?) in the process of keeping their own plans going forward.

I think I even spelled a word wrong as well.

they did make mistakes, I think they blew the whole thing of Favre wanting to come back and play in April out of proportion, telling the media they had scheduled a flight from Atlanta from the owners meeting in Atlanta to meet with Favre to bring him back in the fold. I think this was total propaganda on their part, and Favre as well. He was embarrassed by this and this made him look wishy washy to everyone. When Favre made the decision in late June to play football he didn't make a statement or do anything until he met with the Packers, they are the ones that started the back and forth through the media when they released the time line of the Brett Favre retirement saga.

Going back further than that Thompson didn't handle Favre well. He never had to work with a player of Favre's magnitude, never in Seattle when he was Vice President of Player Personel, or any of his other jobs as a scout. Favre apparently was used to having his opinion validated by his other coaches or GMs. Thompson certainly isn't one to listen to opinions of his players, which is totally fine, but Favre gave his opinions and instead of Thompson nipping it in the bud, he acted liked he took what Favre had to say seriously, and then as soon as Favre left or hung up the phone he shut the book on it. Favre asked if Thompson was going to interview Mooch for the head coaching position, Thomspon said he was and will give it some more thought and it was a possibility, Favre worked for getting Randy Moss into Green Bay, he was willing to restuctrure his own contract, work through his agent to get Moss wililing to come to Green Bay. Thompson did look at trading for Moss, but in the end they thought they needed to lecture him, and ask him if he was going to be a "good boy". Favre took that as a slap in the face, why because Thompson should have just told Favre "hey, I respect you as a player Brett, but I gotta do my job, and it is my believe that it is just easier to do if I don't take opinions from players, I will do my best to surround you and the rest of the guys with as much talent as I can deliever, thats my job." It is my prospective that Thompson didn't do that.

Step foward now, Thompson and McCarthy told Favre, we can't use you in Green Bay, but we can't invision you playing anywhere else. That was the biggest bunch of BS I have ever heard, Favre has the right to play football and not to be sat on by the front office of the Packers. I have no problems with the Packers moving on from Favre, but then they should have stepped up right away and said Brett we can't use you anymore, we moved on, but we will do our best to trade you as soon as possible, if that is what you want." They did just about everything they could not to have to move Favre they waited until the third week of training camp to make the trade, and Favre had to fly up to Green Bay at the end of the second week to make the trade go through. It was a touchy situation I understand that, but they decided to draw it out for the entire summer. It would have been easier on everyone if they would have gone ahead and just traded him in July, given him a list of teams and told him these are the teams we will be willing to trade you to, and these are the teams that have shown interest. They didn't they tried to play this thing out for as long as possible by sticking their head in the sand hoping Favre would just reconsider and go away. Hell they even offered him 20 million to stay put in Mississippi.

[Gunakor]

How come there is no blame for Ted Thompson

Because Ted Thompson didn't do anything wrong in this Brett Favre situation. Not a single thing.

Really, from whose prospective? Your post had very little in terms of thought and care, do better next time.

From your perspective, what did Thompson do wrong? Did Thompson and the Packers owe it to Favre to let him change his mind about coming back even after months of preparations with Rodgers under center? Did the Packers owe it to Favre to let him come back even after the lashing they recieved through the media?

How about we look at it from the other perspective once. Did RODGERS owe it to Favre to hold a clipboard for him for another year, even after being named the starter and having prepared for months to be the starter for this offense? Did RODGERS owe it to the Packers to stick around and sign a contract extension with us even if he were Favre's backup for the duration of his rookie contract? Did we have a backup plan in case he decided his best opportunity was playing for someone else?

Would making it a top priority to appease Favre have been in the best long term interests of the franchise?

In your perspective, are any of these things even considered?

[Pacopete4]

How come there is no blame for Ted Thompson

Because Ted Thompson didn't do anything wrong in this Brett Favre situation. Not a single thing.

Really, from whose prospective? Your post had very little in terms of thought and care, do better next time.

From your perspective, what did Thompson do wrong? Did Thompson and the Packers owe it to Favre to let him change his mind about coming back even after months of preparations with Rodgers under center? Did the Packers owe it to Favre to let him come back even after the lashing they recieved through the media?

How about we look at it from the other perspective once. Did RODGERS owe it to Favre to hold a clipboard for him for another year, even after being named the starter and having prepared for months to be the starter for this offense? Did RODGERS owe it to the Packers to stick around and sign a contract extension with us even if he were Favre's backup for the duration of his rookie contract? Did we have a backup plan in case he decided his best opportunity was playing for someone else?

Would making it a top priority to appease Favre have been in the best long term interests of the franchise?

In your perspective, are any of these things even considered?



He answered you.. and might I say, its a great post Nutz!



I think I even spelled a word wrong as well.

they did make mistakes, I think they blew the whole thing of Favre wanting to come back and play in April out of proportion, telling the media they had scheduled a flight from Atlanta from the owners meeting in Atlanta to meet with Favre to bring him back in the fold. I think this was total propaganda on their part, and Favre as well. He was embarrassed by this and this made him look wishy washy to everyone. When Favre made the decision in late June to play football he didn't make a statement or do anything until he met with the Packers, they are the ones that started the back and forth through the media when they released the time line of the Brett Favre retirement saga.

Going back further than that Thompson didn't handle Favre well. He never had to work with a player of Favre's magnitude, never in Seattle when he was Vice President of Player Personel, or any of his other jobs as a scout. Favre apparently was used to having his opinion validated by his other coaches or GMs. Thompson certainly isn't one to listen to opinions of his players, which is totally fine, but Favre gave his opinions and instead of Thompson nipping it in the bud, he acted liked he took what Favre had to say seriously, and then as soon as Favre left or hung up the phone he shut the book on it. Favre asked if Thompson was going to interview Mooch for the head coaching position, Thomspon said he was and will give it some more thought and it was a possibility, Favre worked for getting Randy Moss into Green Bay, he was willing to restuctrure his own contract, work through his agent to get Moss wililing to come to Green Bay. Thompson did look at trading for Moss, but in the end they thought they needed to lecture him, and ask him if he was going to be a "good boy". Favre took that as a slap in the face, why because Thompson should have just told Favre "hey, I respect you as a player Brett, but I gotta do my job, and it is my believe that it is just easier to do if I don't take opinions from players, I will do my best to surround you and the rest of the guys with as much talent as I can deliever, thats my job." It is my prospective that Thompson didn't do that.

Step foward now, Thompson and McCarthy told Favre, we can't use you in Green Bay, but we can't invision you playing anywhere else. That was the biggest bunch of BS I have ever heard, Favre has the right to play football and not to be sat on by the front office of the Packers. I have no problems with the Packers moving on from Favre, but then they should have stepped up right away and said Brett we can't use you anymore, we moved on, but we will do our best to trade you as soon as possible, if that is what you want." They did just about everything they could not to have to move Favre they waited until the third week of training camp to make the trade, and Favre had to fly up to Green Bay at the end of the second week to make the trade go through. It was a touchy situation I understand that, but they decided to draw it out for the entire summer. It would have been easier on everyone if they would have gone ahead and just traded him in July, given him a list of teams and told him these are the teams we will be willing to trade you to, and these are the teams that have shown interest. They didn't they tried to play this thing out for as long as possible by sticking their head in the sand hoping Favre would just reconsider and go away. Hell they even offered him 20 million to stay put in Mississippi.

[Gunakor]

My perspective has a lot to do with how Rodgers would have been handled if Favre were allowed to come back. Nowhere in Nutz' post do I see anything that has anything to do with that.

So I ask again, did Rodgers' - the hopeful future franchise QB and long term starter - ever enter into your perspective in dealing with the Favre saga?

[Deputy Nutz]

How come there is no blame for Ted Thompson

Because Ted Thompson didn't do anything wrong in this Brett Favre situation. Not a single thing.

Really, from whose prospective? Your post had very little in terms of thought and care, do better next time.

From your perspective, what did Thompson do wrong? Did Thompson and the Packers owe it to Favre to let him change his mind about coming back even after months of preparations with Rodgers under center? Did the Packers owe it to Favre to let him come back even after the lashing they recieved through the media?

How about we look at it from the other perspective once. Did RODGERS owe it to Favre to hold a clipboard for him for another year, even after being named the starter and having prepared for months to be the starter for this offense? Did RODGERS owe it to the Packers to stick around and sign a contract extension with us even if he were Favre's backup for the duration of his rookie contract? Did we have a backup plan in case he decided his best opportunity was playing for someone else?

Would making it a top priority to appease Favre have been in the best long term interests of the franchise?

In your perspective, are any of these things even considered?

Next time read through the thread before just quoting and responding, maybe you comment will have been answered already without your 2 cent response.

but I will look past that and respond to your Rodger questions. I really respected Rodgers through all of this. He was the one that stepped up and said he would compete for the starting job with Brett Favre. I respect his stats from this past season, better than what I thought. I have always liked Rodgers, but he realized when he was drafted it was to play behind Favre most likely for the duration of the time that Favre was in Green Bay. If it lasted his entire contract well then I am sure that he would have wanted to test the market.

[Gunakor]

How come there is no blame for Ted Thompson

Because Ted Thompson didn't do anything wrong in this Brett Favre situation. Not a single thing.

Really, from whose prospective? Your post had very little in terms of thought and care, do better next time.

From your perspective, what did Thompson do wrong? Did Thompson and the Packers owe it to Favre to let him change his mind about coming back even after months of preparations with Rodgers under center? Did the Packers owe it to Favre to let him come back even after the lashing they recieved through the media?

How about we look at it from the other perspective once. Did RODGERS owe it to Favre to hold a clipboard for him for another year, even after being named the starter and having prepared for months to be the starter for this offense? Did RODGERS owe it to the Packers to stick around and sign a contract extension with us even if he were Favre's backup for the duration of his rookie contract? Did we have a backup plan in case he decided his best opportunity was playing for someone else?

Would making it a top priority to appease Favre have been in the best long term interests of the franchise?

In your perspective, are any of these things even considered?

Next time read through the thread before just quoting and responding, maybe you comment will have been answered already without your 2 cent response.

but I will look past that and respond to your Rodger questions. I really respected Rodgers through all of this. He was the one that stepped up and said he would compete for the starting job with Brett Favre. I respect his stats from this past season, better than what I thought. I have always liked Rodgers, but he realized when he was drafted it was to play behind Favre most likely for the duration of the time that Favre was in Green Bay. If it lasted his entire contract well then I am sure that he would have wanted to test the market.

I remember him saying something to the effect that if Favre were the starter again last season for Green Bay he'd have wanted to look elsewhere for employment following this season. So we'd still be looking for Favre's replacement. Brohm? Flynn? Sanchez? Don't know, but it wouldn't have been Rodgers - and we'd be a couple years behind in development, regardless who it would be.

The point I guess I'm trying to make is that the Favre deal was as much about keeping Rodgers happy, seeing as how he's the future at the position. It just makes better sense in the long term.

From your earlier post, you suggest that Thompson owed it to Favre to bring in Moss, Mooch, etc. You are more than entitled to that opinion I suppose, but from my perspective Favre shouldn't be concerned with roster decisions or coaching decisions. He's a quarterback. Whoever is on the team, that's who he plays with. Whoever is the coach, that's who he answers to. Favre doesn't get to call those shots.

Now, Favre didn't like the choices made, and he was more than entitled to retire - which he did, if you recall. But he can't force a release or a trade to a team of his choosing - he's still property of the Green Bay Packers. Thompson tried to work with him to find a team to trade him to - but why would he trade Favre to a division rival, making it tougher to win in our own division? It had to be best for the Packers too, or Thompson wouldn't be doing his job very well. What's in the Packers best interest trumps what's in Favre's best interest (or any other individual player's best interest) every single time - I'd demand as much from our GM.


Step foward now, Thompson and McCarthy told Favre, we can't use you in Green Bay, but we can't invision you playing anywhere else. That was the biggest bunch of BS I have ever heard, Favre has the right to play football and not to be sat on by the front office of the Packers. I have no problems with the Packers moving on from Favre, but then they should have stepped up right away and said Brett we can't use you anymore, we moved on, but we will do our best to trade you as soon as possible, if that is what you want." They did just about everything they could not to have to move Favre they waited until the third week of training camp to make the trade, and Favre had to fly up to Green Bay at the end of the second week to make the trade go through.

You commented on the delay in getting the trade done. I find that amusing, to be quite honest. If you remember, Favre filed his reinstatement papers 3 whole days before he was traded. Why would Thompson trade the rights to Favre while Favre was still on the inactive/retired list? If you ask me, Thompson acted extremely fast there. He wasn't the one who dragged this one out, Favre was by not filing for reinstatement. Again, as soon as he filed, he was traded days later. Don't know how you can pin that one on Thompson.

[hoosier]

they did make mistakes, I think they blew the whole thing of Favre wanting to come back and play in April out of proportion, telling the media they had scheduled a flight from Atlanta from the owners meeting in Atlanta to meet with Favre to bring him back in the fold. I think this was total propaganda on their part, and Favre as well. He was embarrassed by this and this made him look wishy washy to everyone. When Favre made the decision in late June to play football he didn't make a statement or do anything until he met with the Packers, they are the ones that started the back and forth through the media when they released the time line of the Brett Favre retirement saga.

I don't think Brett needs much help from others in this department. :lol:

[Harlan Huckleby]

This post had very little in terms of thought and care, do better next time.

No, but seriously. Brett retired and Thompson AND McCarthy set in motion a plan to move on from there. Brett coming back was throwing a wrench into that plan and they did nothing wrong THAT WE KNOW OF (there, are you happy?) in the process of keeping their own plans going forward.

I think I even spelled a word wrong as well.

they did make mistakes, I think they blew the whole thing of Favre wanting to come back and play in April out of proportion, telling the media they had scheduled a flight from Atlanta from the owners meeting in Atlanta to meet with Favre to bring him back in the fold. I think this was total propaganda on their part, and Favre as well. He was embarrassed by this and this made him look wishy washy to everyone. When Favre made the decision in late June to play football he didn't make a statement or do anything until he met with the Packers, they are the ones that started the back and forth through the media when they released the time line of the Brett Favre retirement saga.

Going back further than that Thompson didn't handle Favre well. He never had to work with a player of Favre's magnitude, never in Seattle when he was Vice President of Player Personel, or any of his other jobs as a scout. Favre apparently was used to having his opinion validated by his other coaches or GMs. Thompson certainly isn't one to listen to opinions of his players, which is totally fine, but Favre gave his opinions and instead of Thompson nipping it in the bud, he acted liked he took what Favre had to say seriously, and then as soon as Favre left or hung up the phone he shut the book on it. Favre asked if Thompson was going to interview Mooch for the head coaching position, Thomspon said he was and will give it some more thought and it was a possibility, Favre worked for getting Randy Moss into Green Bay, he was willing to restuctrure his own contract, work through his agent to get Moss wililing to come to Green Bay. Thompson did look at trading for Moss, but in the end they thought they needed to lecture him, and ask him if he was going to be a "good boy". Favre took that as a slap in the face, why because Thompson should have just told Favre "hey, I respect you as a player Brett, but I gotta do my job, and it is my believe that it is just easier to do if I don't take opinions from players, I will do my best to surround you and the rest of the guys with as much talent as I can deliever, thats my job." It is my prospective that Thompson didn't do that.

Step foward now, Thompson and McCarthy told Favre, we can't use you in Green Bay, but we can't invision you playing anywhere else. That was the biggest bunch of BS I have ever heard, Favre has the right to play football and not to be sat on by the front office of the Packers. I have no problems with the Packers moving on from Favre, but then they should have stepped up right away and said Brett we can't use you anymore, we moved on, but we will do our best to trade you as soon as possible, if that is what you want." They did just about everything they could not to have to move Favre they waited until the third week of training camp to make the trade, and Favre had to fly up to Green Bay at the end of the second week to make the trade go through. It was a touchy situation I understand that, but they decided to draw it out for the entire summer. It would have been easier on everyone if they would have gone ahead and just traded him in July, given him a list of teams and told him these are the teams we will be willing to trade you to, and these are the teams that have shown interest. They didn't they tried to play this thing out for as long as possible by sticking their head in the sand hoping Favre would just reconsider and go away. Hell they even offered him 20 million to stay put in Mississippi.

I had a hard time following nutz's post until I fit it all on one screen and stared at it for ten minutes without blinking.

[Scott Campbell]

I find it funny that Favre continues to find franchises to hold hostage now that Green Bay has been freed from his flip flopping.

[swede]

How many more teams would He need to retire from to set a new NFL record?

It wouldn't hurt to hold another record, you know.

[cpk1994]

I agree with plantpage. There is zero good evidence that Thompson has done anything wrong. By all accounts he's a great man and a hard worker who's job puts him in the line of fire, sadly.

Brilliant! Thompson needs his nuts polished, get to work.

This post had very little in terms of thought and care, do better next time.

No, but seriously. Brett retired and Thompson AND McCarthy set in motion a plan to move on from there. Brett coming back was throwing a wrench into that plan and they did nothing wrong THAT WE KNOW OF (there, are you happy?) in the process of keeping their own plans going forward.

I think I even spelled a word wrong as well.

they did make mistakes, I think they blew the whole thing of Favre wanting to come back and play in April out of proportion, telling the media they had scheduled a flight from Atlanta from the owners meeting in Atlanta to meet with Favre to bring him back in the fold. I think this was total propaganda on their part, and Favre as well. He was embarrassed by this and this made him look wishy washy to everyone. When Favre made the decision in late June to play football he didn't make a statement or do anything until he met with the Packers, they are the ones that started the back and forth through the media when they released the time line of the Brett Favre retirement saga.

Going back further than that Thompson didn't handle Favre well. He never had to work with a player of Favre's magnitude, never in Seattle when he was Vice President of Player Personel, or any of his other jobs as a scout. Favre apparently was used to having his opinion validated by his other coaches or GMs. Thompson certainly isn't one to listen to opinions of his players, which is totally fine, but Favre gave his opinions and instead of Thompson nipping it in the bud, he acted liked he took what Favre had to say seriously, and then as soon as Favre left or hung up the phone he shut the book on it. Favre asked if Thompson was going to interview Mooch for the head coaching position, Thomspon said he was and will give it some more thought and it was a possibility, Favre worked for getting Randy Moss into Green Bay, he was willing to restuctrure his own contract, work through his agent to get Moss wililing to come to Green Bay. Thompson did look at trading for Moss, but in the end they thought they needed to lecture him, and ask him if he was going to be a "good boy". Favre took that as a slap in the face, why because Thompson should have just told Favre "hey, I respect you as a player Brett, but I gotta do my job, and it is my believe that it is just easier to do if I don't take opinions from players, I will do my best to surround you and the rest of the guys with as much talent as I can deliever, thats my job." It is my prospective that Thompson didn't do that.

Step foward now, Thompson and McCarthy told Favre, we can't use you in Green Bay, but we can't invision you playing anywhere else. That was the biggest bunch of BS I have ever heard, Favre has the right to play football and not to be sat on by the front office of the Packers. I have no problems with the Packers moving on from Favre, but then they should have stepped up right away and said Brett we can't use you anymore, we moved on, but we will do our best to trade you as soon as possible, if that is what you want." They did just about everything they could not to have to move Favre they waited until the third week of training camp to make the trade, and Favre had to fly up to Green Bay at the end of the second week to make the trade go through. It was a touchy situation I understand that, but they decided to draw it out for the entire summer. It would have been easier on everyone if they would have gone ahead and just traded him in July, given him a list of teams and told him these are the teams we will be willing to trade you to, and these are the teams that have shown interest. They didn't they tried to play this thing out for as long as possible by sticking their head in the sand hoping Favre would just reconsider and go away. Hell they even offered him 20 million to stay put in Mississippi.There is one gigantic hole in your synopsis. Favre didn't ask for reinstatement util almost August. IF Brett had signed his reinstatement papers in June when he supposedly first wanted to comeback, the PAckers would have been forced to do something then. You forget the Packers did n't have to do anything becuase Brett didn't sign the reinstatement papers make him STILL RETIRED. The Packers had no move to make until Brett actually came out of retirement. The Packers didn't drag it out. Brett did.

[cpk1994]

I find it funny that Favre continues to find franchises to hold hostage now that Green Bay has been freed from his flip flopping.What do you expect from a drama queen and an attention whore?

[DonHutson]

This is loads of fun. It's happening to the Vikings.

And if he actually gets around to playing for the Vikings, those games are going to be tons of fun.

[Joemailman]

How many more teams would He need to retire from to set a new NFL record?

It wouldn't hurt to hold another record, you know.

Favre trying to break Vinny Testaverde's records? The tory gets curiouser and curiouser.

[DonHutson]

Favre trying to break Vinny Testaverde's records? The tory gets curiouser and curiouser.

Has Vinny ever retired? I thought he was just chronically unemployed.

[Deputy Nutz]

I agree with plantpage. There is zero good evidence that Thompson has done anything wrong. By all accounts he's a great man and a hard worker who's job puts him in the line of fire, sadly.

Brilliant! Thompson needs his nuts polished, get to work.

This post had very little in terms of thought and care, do better next time.

No, but seriously. Brett retired and Thompson AND McCarthy set in motion a plan to move on from there. Brett coming back was throwing a wrench into that plan and they did nothing wrong THAT WE KNOW OF (there, are you happy?) in the process of keeping their own plans going forward.

I think I even spelled a word wrong as well.

they did make mistakes, I think they blew the whole thing of Favre wanting to come back and play in April out of proportion, telling the media they had scheduled a flight from Atlanta from the owners meeting in Atlanta to meet with Favre to bring him back in the fold. I think this was total propaganda on their part, and Favre as well. He was embarrassed by this and this made him look wishy washy to everyone. When Favre made the decision in late June to play football he didn't make a statement or do anything until he met with the Packers, they are the ones that started the back and forth through the media when they released the time line of the Brett Favre retirement saga.

Going back further than that Thompson didn't handle Favre well. He never had to work with a player of Favre's magnitude, never in Seattle when he was Vice President of Player Personel, or any of his other jobs as a scout. Favre apparently was used to having his opinion validated by his other coaches or GMs. Thompson certainly isn't one to listen to opinions of his players, which is totally fine, but Favre gave his opinions and instead of Thompson nipping it in the bud, he acted liked he took what Favre had to say seriously, and then as soon as Favre left or hung up the phone he shut the book on it. Favre asked if Thompson was going to interview Mooch for the head coaching position, Thomspon said he was and will give it some more thought and it was a possibility, Favre worked for getting Randy Moss into Green Bay, he was willing to restuctrure his own contract, work through his agent to get Moss wililing to come to Green Bay. Thompson did look at trading for Moss, but in the end they thought they needed to lecture him, and ask him if he was going to be a "good boy". Favre took that as a slap in the face, why because Thompson should have just told Favre "hey, I respect you as a player Brett, but I gotta do my job, and it is my believe that it is just easier to do if I don't take opinions from players, I will do my best to surround you and the rest of the guys with as much talent as I can deliever, thats my job." It is my prospective that Thompson didn't do that.

Step foward now, Thompson and McCarthy told Favre, we can't use you in Green Bay, but we can't invision you playing anywhere else. That was the biggest bunch of BS I have ever heard, Favre has the right to play football and not to be sat on by the front office of the Packers. I have no problems with the Packers moving on from Favre, but then they should have stepped up right away and said Brett we can't use you anymore, we moved on, but we will do our best to trade you as soon as possible, if that is what you want." They did just about everything they could not to have to move Favre they waited until the third week of training camp to make the trade, and Favre had to fly up to Green Bay at the end of the second week to make the trade go through. It was a touchy situation I understand that, but they decided to draw it out for the entire summer. It would have been easier on everyone if they would have gone ahead and just traded him in July, given him a list of teams and told him these are the teams we will be willing to trade you to, and these are the teams that have shown interest. They didn't they tried to play this thing out for as long as possible by sticking their head in the sand hoping Favre would just reconsider and go away. Hell they even offered him 20 million to stay put in Mississippi.There is one gigantic hole in your synopsis. Favre didn't ask for reinstatement util almost August. IF Brett had signed his reinstatement papers in June when he supposedly first wanted to comeback, the PAckers would have been forced to do something then. You forget the Packers did n't have to do anything becuase Brett didn't sign the reinstatement papers make him STILL RETIRED. The Packers had no move to make until Brett actually came out of retirement. The Packers didn't drag it out. Brett did.

he never filed any retirement papers. He was put on the PUP/retired list by the Packers. So unless I am missing something the only thing that I can say was he was using it as leverage to still come and play for Green Bay, or to make sure the Packers didn't go ahead and trade him to Oakland, or even worse to Tampa where he had to play under Gruden. I think it is fair to say that he had all the intentions to come back and play in the NFL at the end of June.

[Gunakor]

he never filed any retirement papers. He was put on the PUP/retired list by the Packers. So unless I am missing something the only thing that I can say was he was using it as leverage to still come and play for Green Bay, or to make sure the Packers didn't go ahead and trade him to Oakland, or even worse to Tampa where he had to play under Gruden. I think it is fair to say that he had all the intentions to come back and play in the NFL at the end of June.

Then what was the big hoopla about last summer concerning his filing his reinstatement papers? Ted traded him just DAYS after those papers were filed. After he was put on the inactive/retired list, the only way for him to get reinstated was to file his reinstatement papers, and there was absolutely no good reason to trade him before those papers were filed - had Teddy done so, Favre could have just chosen to stay retired and the trade would be voided, meaning the Packers would get nothing out of the deal in return. Once he was officially reinstated by the league office, he was traded almost immediately. It stands to reason that if Favre had filed for reinstatement in June, he'd have been traded in June.

Who's fault was it again that Favre wasn't traded until the second week of preseason?

[Deputy Nutz]

he never filed any retirement papers. He was put on the PUP/retired list by the Packers. So unless I am missing something the only thing that I can say was he was using it as leverage to still come and play for Green Bay, or to make sure the Packers didn't go ahead and trade him to Oakland, or even worse to Tampa where he had to play under Gruden. I think it is fair to say that he had all the intentions to come back and play in the NFL at the end of June.

Then what was the big hoopla about last summer concerning his filing his reinstatement papers? Ted traded him just DAYS after those papers were filed. After he was put on the inactive/retired list, the only way for him to get reinstated was to file his reinstatement papers, and there was absolutely no good reason to trade him before those papers were filed - had Teddy done so, Favre could have just chosen to stay retired and the trade would be voided, meaning the Packers would get nothing out of the deal in return. Once he was officially reinstated by the league office, he was traded almost immediately. It stands to reason that if Favre had filed for reinstatement in June, he'd have been traded in June.

Who's fault was it again that Favre wasn't traded until the second week of preseason?

I guess we are saying the same thing then. Unless you just read the first sentence I wrote and decided at that moment you just had to post without reading further. I think Favre had to hold on to his reinstatement papers then so he wouldn't get traded to a team he didn't want to play for. I think you could understand that, right? Or are you just to filled with piss and vinegar? He also wanted to play for the Packers, when they said no he admitted he wanted to play for two teams in the division out of spite. Thompson according to Favre said, "we can't use you here, but we can't invision you playing anywhere else."

Who was holding it all up? Mark Murphy went to Mississippi to buy him off for christsake. Now your only argument is a piece of paper that Favre had to sign.

I could argue that Favre wanted to give the Packers time to get this mess settled, but I don't think you would buy it, and I really don't either. I do believe that after Thompson and McCarthy told him they didn't want him anymore he wasn't trying to play for Green Bay anymore. He was just to valuable to lose though to Minnesota, not good enough for the Packers but too good for the Vikings.

If they really wanted it to go away they could have just released him. I wasn't a fan of that, because I really didn't want him to go to Minnesota, but now look where we are.

We don't even own the guys rights anymore and still the Packer Nation can't get over him. he is still bigger new than the actual Packers. I want him to keep playing ball as long as there is a team out there that wants him, I will be watching regardless how big of train wreck it is.

[Scott Campbell]

So unless I am missing something the only thing that I can say was he was using it as leverage to still come and play for Green Bay, or to make sure the Packers didn't go ahead and trade him to Oakland, or even worse to Tampa where he had to play under Gruden. I think it is fair to say that he had all the intentions to come back and play in the NFL at the end of June.


I think it goes back earlier than June. I suspect he had been plotting to gain his unconditional release for some time. I don't think he ever had any intention of coming back to play for the Packers.

[Scott Campbell]

If they really wanted it to go away they could have just released him. I wasn't a fan of that, because I really didn't want him to go to Minnesota, but now look where we are.


Ted's plan worked. We got a 3rd round pick out of the deal, and Brett's a year older and coming off surgery and a very poor stretch run.

[Deputy Nutz]

So unless I am missing something the only thing that I can say was he was using it as leverage to still come and play for Green Bay, or to make sure the Packers didn't go ahead and trade him to Oakland, or even worse to Tampa where he had to play under Gruden. I think it is fair to say that he had all the intentions to come back and play in the NFL at the end of June.


I think it goes back earlier than June. I suspect he had been plotting to gain his unconditional release for some time. I don't think he ever had any intention of coming back to play for the Packers.

That is your opinion, I don't think that was the case up until the end of June, or right before the Greta "fine peice of ass" interview.

Like I said your opinion and I value that like Little Whiskey values roadkill.

[Deputy Nutz]

If they really wanted it to go away they could have just released him. I wasn't a fan of that, because I really didn't want him to go to Minnesota, but now look where we are.


Ted's plan worked. We got a 3rd round pick out of the deal, and Brett's a year older and coming off surgery and a very poor stretch run.

I agree, Ted did a nice job with the trade, he got good value for a player he wasn't going to use.

[Gunakor]

I guess we are saying the same thing then. Unless you just read the first sentence I wrote and decided at that moment you just had to post without reading further. I think Favre had to hold on to his reinstatement papers then so he wouldn't get traded to a team he didn't want to play for. I think you could understand that, right? Or are you just to filled with piss and vinegar? He also wanted to play for the Packers, when they said no he admitted he wanted to play for two teams in the division out of spite. Thompson according to Favre said, "we can't use you here, but we can't invision you playing anywhere else."

Who was holding it all up? Mark Murphy went to Mississippi to buy him off for christsake. Now your only argument is a piece of paper that Favre had to sign.

I could argue that Favre wanted to give the Packers time to get this mess settled, but I don't think you would buy it, and I really don't either. I do believe that after Thompson and McCarthy told him they didn't want him anymore he wasn't trying to play for Green Bay anymore. He was just to valuable to lose though to Minnesota, not good enough for the Packers but too good for the Vikings.

If they really wanted it to go away they could have just released him. I wasn't a fan of that, because I really didn't want him to go to Minnesota, but now look where we are.

We don't even own the guys rights anymore and still the Packer Nation can't get over him. he is still bigger new than the actual Packers. I want him to keep playing ball as long as there is a team out there that wants him, I will be watching regardless how big of train wreck it is.

Nutz, one of your complaints against TT was that he waited until the second week of preseason to do the trade with the Jets. You said so in an earlier post.


They did just about everything they could not to have to move Favre they waited until the third week of training camp to make the trade, and Favre had to fly up to Green Bay at the end of the second week to make the trade go through. It was a touchy situation I understand that, but they decided to draw it out for the entire summer.

WHO decided to draw it out for the entire summer? Again, it was DAYS after Favre filed his papers that he was traded. Just days. Had FAVRE not waited until camp to file his papers, he'd have been traded before camp even started. This one is on Favre. Just Favre. Only Favre. Nobody else except Brett Favre. Brett L. Favre is the one who dragged this one out for the entire summer. That's my point.


Who was holding it all up? Mark Murphy went to Mississippi to buy him off for christsake. Now your only argument is a piece of paper that Favre had to sign.

Mark Murphy went to Hattiesburg to make an offer to Favre for post retirement. Had Murphy stipulated that the offer was only good if he refused to play for anyone else I might agree that it was a buy off. But the offer is still good after he played for the Jets, and it's still good if he plays for the Vikings. This offer wasn't about wins and losses or saving face or any of that nonsense. It was and is about dollars and cents. Maybe the Packers organization realizes that, regardless of where Brett ends up this year or next year or the year after that, there's TONS of money to be made in Favre merchandise in the future. Yet you still think that offer was all about Brett staying retired? This wasn't about holding up Favre's decision or dragging out the circus even further, it was and remains to be about making money. Think about it from a business sense and you'd do the same thing if millions of dollars were on the table.

We don't even own the guys rights anymore and still the Packer Nation can't get over him.

Agreed. You know what's funny though, is that we don't own the guy's rights anymore, and HE can't get over the Packers either. Nothing would please me more than if he'd either a) stay retired, or b) go play for the Redskins or something - because then Packer Nation wouldn't care half as much, and it would show that Favre doesn't care half as much either. I guess my question is why Packer Nation should just bite our tounges and not speak on it while Favre continues his persistent quest for revenge? Favre hasn't exactly gotten over the Packers any more than Packer Nation has gotten over Favre. Why is it that Favre can say or do whatever he wants but we Packer fans are not allowed to have a vocal opinion? Why is he automatically right or justified in his words and actions, but we Packer fans are out of line in ours? What makes Lord Favre better than Joe Packer Fan? And why does Packer Nation have to get over Favre before Favre gets over the Packers?

[cpk1994]

he never filed any retirement papers. He was put on the PUP/retired list by the Packers. So unless I am missing something the only thing that I can say was he was using it as leverage to still come and play for Green Bay, or to make sure the Packers didn't go ahead and trade him to Oakland, or even worse to Tampa where he had to play under Gruden. I think it is fair to say that he had all the intentions to come back and play in the NFL at the end of June.The retirement papers are irrelevant becuase they only give you your post career benfits. He retired. He had to apply for reinstatement with Goodell. As long as Brett wasn't doing that, the Packers didn't have to do a damn thing but leave him on the retired list. As far as the Packers were concerned Brett weas still retired. Brett had to ask for reinstatement for the Packers be forced to do something, which is why Bus Cook is an idiot. He should have been on Brett to ask for reinstatment in June to utlimately force the Packers to do something right away. Then if the PAckers waited until late in the preseason, the Packers would look bad. By waiting the way he did insured he wouldn't be moved until late in the preseason.

[Chevelle2]

So unless I am missing something the only thing that I can say was he was using it as leverage to still come and play for Green Bay, or to make sure the Packers didn't go ahead and trade him to Oakland, or even worse to Tampa where he had to play under Gruden. I think it is fair to say that he had all the intentions to come back and play in the NFL at the end of June.


I think it goes back earlier than June. I suspect he had been plotting to gain his unconditional release for some time. I don't think he ever had any intention of coming back to play for the Packers.

What do you mean by this? So you think his tearful retirement was fake?

[gex]

I guess we are saying the same thing then. Unless you just read the first sentence I wrote and decided at that moment you just had to post without reading further. I think Favre had to hold on to his reinstatement papers then so he wouldn't get traded to a team he didn't want to play for. I think you could understand that, right? Or are you just to filled with piss and vinegar? He also wanted to play for the Packers, when they said no he admitted he wanted to play for two teams in the division out of spite. Thompson according to Favre said, "we can't use you here, but we can't invision you playing anywhere else."

Who was holding it all up? Mark Murphy went to Mississippi to buy him off for christsake. Now your only argument is a piece of paper that Favre had to sign.

I could argue that Favre wanted to give the Packers time to get this mess settled, but I don't think you would buy it, and I really don't either. I do believe that after Thompson and McCarthy told him they didn't want him anymore he wasn't trying to play for Green Bay anymore. He was just to valuable to lose though to Minnesota, not good enough for the Packers but too good for the Vikings.

If they really wanted it to go away they could have just released him. I wasn't a fan of that, because I really didn't want him to go to Minnesota, but now look where we are.

We don't even own the guys rights anymore and still the Packer Nation can't get over him. he is still bigger new than the actual Packers. I want him to keep playing ball as long as there is a team out there that wants him, I will be watching regardless how big of train wreck it is.

Nutz, one of your complaints against TT was that he waited until the second week of preseason to do the trade with the Jets. You said so in an earlier post.


They did just about everything they could not to have to move Favre they waited until the third week of training camp to make the trade, and Favre had to fly up to Green Bay at the end of the second week to make the trade go through. It was a touchy situation I understand that, but they decided to draw it out for the entire summer.

WHO decided to draw it out for the entire summer? Again, it was DAYS after Favre filed his papers that he was traded. Just days. Had FAVRE not waited until camp to file his papers, he'd have been traded before camp even started. This one is on Favre. Just Favre. Only Favre. Nobody else except Brett Favre. Brett L. Favre is the one who dragged this one out for the entire summer. That's my point.


Who was holding it all up? Mark Murphy went to Mississippi to buy him off for christsake. Now your only argument is a piece of paper that Favre had to sign.

Mark Murphy went to Hattiesburg to make an offer to Favre for post retirement. Had Murphy stipulated that the offer was only good if he refused to play for anyone else I might agree that it was a buy off. But the offer is still good after he played for the Jets, and it's still good if he plays for the Vikings. This offer wasn't about wins and losses or saving face or any of that nonsense. It was and is about dollars and cents. Maybe the Packers organization realizes that, regardless of where Brett ends up this year or next year or the year after that, there's TONS of money to be made in Favre merchandise in the future. Yet you still think that offer was all about Brett staying retired? This wasn't about holding up Favre's decision or dragging out the circus even further, it was and remains to be about making money. Think about it from a business sense and you'd do the same thing if millions of dollars were on the table.

We don't even own the guys rights anymore and still the Packer Nation can't get over him.

Agreed. You know what's funny though, is that we don't own the guy's rights anymore, and HE can't get over the Packers either. Nothing would please me more than if he'd either a) stay retired, or b) go play for the Redskins or something - because then Packer Nation wouldn't care half as much, and it would show that Favre doesn't care half as much either. I guess my question is why Packer Nation should just bite our tounges and not speak on it while Favre continues his persistent quest for revenge? Favre hasn't exactly gotten over the Packers any more than Packer Nation has gotten over Favre. Why is it that Favre can say or do whatever he wants but we Packer fans are not allowed to have a vocal opinion? Why is he automatically right or justified in his words and actions, but we Packer fans are out of line in ours? What makes Lord Favre better than Joe Packer Fan? And why does Packer Nation have to get over Favre before Favre gets over the Packers?

Thats your opinion Gun, I and many others agree with Nutz.

[pbmax]

Can't you guys just go back and read the 204 threads that covered this in real time?

[RashanGary]

Thats your opinion Gun, I and many others agree with Nutz.

If many is about 10 on this site, then yeah, many agree. The rest are much closer to Gunakor's opinion. I don't think Nutz convinced one person, just padded the asses of the few Favre groupies.

[Fritz]

JH, are you on some weird butt kick lately?

[Scott Campbell]

So unless I am missing something the only thing that I can say was he was using it as leverage to still come and play for Green Bay, or to make sure the Packers didn't go ahead and trade him to Oakland, or even worse to Tampa where he had to play under Gruden. I think it is fair to say that he had all the intentions to come back and play in the NFL at the end of June.


I think it goes back earlier than June. I suspect he had been plotting to gain his unconditional release for some time. I don't think he ever had any intention of coming back to play for the Packers.

What do you mean by this? So you think his tearful retirement was fake?


I think the tears were real enough, though perhaps they were of the crocodile variety. But then most of what he said in that presser got thrown right out the window. With Brett these days you are better off disregarding what he says, and just watching what he does.

Do I think he tanked the final 5 games of the year for the Jets just to get his unconditional release? No, I don't. But it wouldn't shock me anymore.

I wonder how many people still think he called Matt Millen during game week just to talk about "hunting".

It's funny how everything just happened to fall in place perfectly so that he could do exactly what he wanted to do all along. Coincidence? Perhaps. The whole thing smells fishy to me.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think the tears were real enough, though perhaps they were of the crocodile variety.

:lol:

God, you're mean, Mr. Campbell. Awful mean.

[Scott Campbell]

I think the tears were real enough, though perhaps they were of the crocodile variety.

:lol:

God, you're mean, Mr. Campbell. Awful mean.


I don't say it to be nice, mean or anything else. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

[Deputy Nutz]

Thats your opinion Gun, I and many others agree with Nutz.

If many is about 10 on this site, then yeah, many agree. The rest are much closer to Gunakor's opinion. I don't think Nutz convinced one person, just padded the asses of the few Favre groupies.

Thats the problem with you, you see things from a very narrow prospective, you can't see both sides of the street. You flame everything only to try and strengthen your convictions.

[Scott Campbell]

I think both sides of the argument are plainly obvious to everyone. It's just a matter of who you believe - or don't believe.

[Gunakor]

Thats your opinion Gun, I and many others agree with Nutz.

Might I ask what part of my post you consider an opinion? The part about Favre dragging on the circus all summer and not giving Thompson any good reason to trade him until after his reinstatement in August? Or the part about Murphy flying down to Mississippi to offer the marketing deal to Favre that would net the Packers well over the 20 million dollars paid to Favre over the next 10 years?

Facts can prove or disprove either of my statements. So they aren't opinions at all. They are facts, and either they are true or they aren't. I admit I don't know all the facts, but here's what I do know to be 100% true.

1) I know that for the duration of the circus in Green Bay last season, Favre was retired as far as the league office is concerned. So a trade was out of the question. You don't trade an inactive player, because he could just choose to stay retired and void the trade. Packers get nothing in that scenario. No trade was going to happen until Favre was reinstated. And as soon as he was reinstated, he was traded almost immediately.

Thompson could have just released him outright, just as the Jets did this spring, but not many people would agree that doing so would have been in the best interests of the Packers. So the only argument one could make to just release Favre outright is that doing so was in the best interests of Favre himself, regardless of what the end result would be for the Packers. That argument puts Favre above the team, something most of us aren't willing to do and IMO shouldn't do. It's something Thompson correctly refused to do.

2) The Green Bay Packers Football Club, Inc. is a business. Businesses exist ultimately to make money, and the Packers are no different. So when the team President flies down to Mississippi to offer a marketing deal worth 20 million dollars to Favre so that the team can use his name and likeness post retirement for marketing purposes, it's because the return on that investment is going to be worth at least 5 times that amount. It adds a tremendous amount of income for the franchise, something any President of any company should be trying to do. Look at it from a purely business perspective and it makes perfect sense. Wouldn't you do the same thing if you were in charge of a business? I know I would.

Besides, again, it's not as if that marketing deal came off the table when he left the franchise. It's still offered to him. After he plays for the Vikings this year, it'll still be on the table for him next year. So it doesn't seem like an offer made to keep him retired, since he's unretired twice now and the offer still stands. That's what it looks like, doesn't it?

[woodbuck27]

I think it's shitty that he wants to stick it to the organization that made him. He doesn't give a damn about the fans. I've been the biggest Favre fan ever...but until he grows up...fuck him.Don't fool yourself. He's "sticking it" to TT and no one else.

I hope he gets that one more super bowl ring that he had little to no chance of getting it here as long as TT had anything to say about it.

Yea, it was a real shame Favre never made it to OT of the NFC championship game with TT at the helm :roll:I wonder.....what would of been had TT picked up Moss....... Yes, imagine the players we have now that we'd have missed out on had he done that...

I voted fun, because of the distinct possibility that he could completely screw up the Minnesota Vikings for years to come. Delicious.

A Favre 'biggest hater' chimes in. MJZiggy? How can anyone be as cold as you? The negative emotion and hatred on this forum amazes me. All inspired by a man that just wants to play football. Amazingly shocking stuff.

[Gunakor]

I think it's shitty that he wants to stick it to the organization that made him. He doesn't give a damn about the fans. I've been the biggest Favre fan ever...but until he grows up...fuck him.Don't fool yourself. He's "sticking it" to TT and no one else.

I hope he gets that one more super bowl ring that he had little to no chance of getting it here as long as TT had anything to say about it.

Yea, it was a real shame Favre never made it to OT of the NFC championship game with TT at the helm :roll:I wonder.....what would of been had TT picked up Moss....... Yes, imagine the players we have now that we'd have missed out on had he done that...

I voted fun, because of the distinct possibility that he could completely screw up the Minnesota Vikings for years to come. Delicious.

A Favre 'biggest hater' chimes in. MJZiggy? How can anyone be as cold as you? The negative emotion and hatred on this forum amazes me. All inspired by a man that just wants to play football. Amazingly shocking stuff.

What was cold about her post? That she hopes Favre serves as a mighty distraction in Vikingland, leading to the failure of an archrival? I'd think most of us want the Vikings to fail. The greater the failure in Minnesota, the greater the chances of success within the division for the Packers. That's one less team standing between us and the playoffs. What else matters?

Besides, everyone knows who the biggest Favre hater is, and it definitely isn't Ziggy.

[woodbuck27]

I think it's shitty that he wants to stick it to the organization that made him. He doesn't give a damn about the fans. I've been the biggest Favre fan ever...but until he grows up...fuck him.Don't fool yourself. He's "sticking it" to TT and no one else.

I hope he gets that one more super bowl ring that he had little to no chance of getting it here as long as TT had anything to say about it.

Yea, it was a real shame Favre never made it to OT of the NFC championship game with TT at the helm :roll:I wonder.....what would of been had TT picked up Moss....... Yes, imagine the players we have now that we'd have missed out on had he done that...

I voted fun, because of the distinct possibility that he could completely screw up the Minnesota Vikings for years to come. Delicious.

A Favre 'biggest hater' chimes in. MJZiggy? How can anyone be as cold as you? The negative emotion and hatred on this forum amazes me. All inspired by a man that just wants to play football. Amazingly shocking stuff.

What was cold about her post? That she hopes Favre serves as a mighty distraction in Vikingland, leading to the failure of an archrival? I'd think most of us want the Vikings to fail. The greater the failure in Minnesota, the greater the chances of success within the division for the Packers. That's one less team standing between us and the playoffs. What else matters?

Besides, everyone knows who the biggest Favre hater is, and it definitely isn't Ziggy.

Do you actually believe that Favre in Minnesota makes that team weaker and could possibly screw the franchise up for as MJ puts it

'' years to come '' ?

Favre will become a Viking because and only if it makes sense to the Vikings and Favre to ink a contract.

It's the foolishness of the emotion that surprizes me man. Were dealing with a sport called football here. Favre isn't threatening our family and homes. He's about to become a Viking because clearly Ted Thompson didn't want him in ' the green and gold '. We're about to see the credibility of that decision play out short term and the impact of that decision play out long term as far as Green Bay Packer history is concerned :D

Why the Packer 'O' offered Favre $20 Million to stay retired. The drama is indeed high. As a sports fan its all good or certainly intriguing.

[Lurker64]

Why the Packer 'O' offered Favre $20 Million to stay retired.

Probably because they wanted to continue to sell Favre jerseys while he still had a lot of good will in Wisconsin?

[woodbuck27]

Why the Packer 'O' offered Favre $20 Million to stay retired.

Probably because they wanted to continue to sell Favre jerseys while he still had a lot of good will in Wisconsin?

Somehow Favre and #4 in Purple and Wisconsin and Goodwill won't comprise to make the pickle of the year this autumn. . . I'm thinking :D .

[Gunakor]

Why the Packer 'O' offered Favre $20 Million to stay retired. The drama is indeed high. As a sports fan its all good or certainly intriguing.

They didn't offer Brett 20 million to stay retired. They offered Brett 20 million so they could make 100 million off his name. Why the hell do you think the offer is still on the table even though Brett isn't retired yet?

[woodbuck27]

Why the Packer 'O' offered Favre $20 Million to stay retired. The drama is indeed high. As a sports fan its all good or certainly intriguing.

They didn't offer Brett 20 million to stay retired. They offered Brett 20 million so they could make 100 million off his name. Why the hell do you think the offer is still on the table even though Brett isn't retired yet?

What is your source to back up this claim Gunakor?

[Gunakor]

Why the Packer 'O' offered Favre $20 Million to stay retired. The drama is indeed high. As a sports fan its all good or certainly intriguing.

They didn't offer Brett 20 million to stay retired. They offered Brett 20 million so they could make 100 million off his name. Why the hell do you think the offer is still on the table even though Brett isn't retired yet?

What is your source to back up this claim Gunakor?

Don't need one. That's the way business works. Businesses exist to make money. The Packers are no different.

Think about it from a business perspective once. If you can keep selling Favre merchandise after Favre retires and collect money for that merchandise you sell, wouldn't you offer Favre himself a few million dollars so your business could rake in many millions using his name? It's turning 20 million dollars into 100 million dollars or more. That's good business, man.

Besides that, as I said, the offer is still on the table. Obviously, because no matter what Favre does with his career, it would be downright foolish for Murphy to take that offer off the table. That's a helluva lot of money. So why do you think this was a bribe to keep him retired, seeing that he's unretired already - about to be twice - and the offer is still there for him? Obviously it wasn't a bribe to keep him retired, or the offer would have been taken off the table the day he was traded to the Jets...

Might I ask for your source that says that offer was made as a bribe?

[Lurker64]

Why the Packer 'O' offered Favre $20 Million to stay retired.

Probably because they wanted to continue to sell Favre jerseys while he still had a lot of good will in Wisconsin?

Somehow Favre and #4 in Purple and Wisconsin and Goodwill won't comprise to make the pickle of the year this autumn. . . I'm thinking :D .

Well, I'm thinking that if #4 ends up wearing purple this year, you'll be able to find a number of green Favre jerseys at Wisconsin area Goodwill (http://www.goodwill.org/) stores.

[GrnBay007]

Well, I'm thinking that if #4 ends up wearing purple this year, you'll be able to find a number of green Favre jerseys at Wisconsin area Goodwill stores.

I think a lot fewer then you would like to believe.

Brett Favre playing his 19th year in the NFL would be history in the making. Football fans love this kind of stuff....even if they were never Packer fans. Brett Favre is fun to watch.....and still "has it" as witnessed in the beginning of last season before his injury.

[Scott Campbell]

A Favre 'biggest hater' chimes in. MJZiggy? How can anyone be as cold as you? The negative emotion and hatred on this forum amazes me.



An unprovoked personal attack. Unacceptable.

[cpk1994]

Well, I'm thinking that if #4 ends up wearing purple this year, you'll be able to find a number of green Favre jerseys at Wisconsin area Goodwill stores.

I think a lot fewer then you would like to believe.

Brett Favre playing his 19th year in the NFL would be history in the making. Football fans love this kind of stuff....even if they were never Packer fans. Brett Favre is fun to watch.....and still "has it" as witnessed in the beginning of last season before his injury.It's going to be more than you are willing to admit. Favre's popularity has plummeted to the point where Packer fans supporting TT on this issue almost overwhelmingly. Doesn't matter if he is fun to watch, or if he "has it". Many people have been turned off by his immature and unprofessional behavior and going to the Vikings is the lsat straw. You want to play for the enemy, fine. Just realize that he will now be the enemy as well. That is the way the majority will see him as regardless of any BS that ESPN spews while they unapologetically fellate Favre.

[MOBB DEEP]

Can't you guys just go back and read the 204 threads that covered this in real time?

LMBO....

i know right?!

[Scott Campbell]

Brett Favre is fun to watch.....and still "has it" as witnessed in the beginning of last season before his injury.


Whatever "it" is, I sure wish he would have brought it to the Giants game in the NFC championship game.

[Pacopete4]

Brett Favre is fun to watch.....and still "has it" as witnessed in the beginning of last season before his injury.


Whatever "it" is, I sure wish he would have brought it to the Giants game in the NFC championship game.


I'm glad that "it" factor got us to that game.. Thanks for playing!

[The Shadow]

Brett Favre is fun to watch.....and still "has it" as witnessed in the beginning of last season before his injury.


Whatever "it" is, I sure wish he would have brought it to the Giants game in the NFC championship game.

:bclap:

[Bretsky]

Brett Favre is fun to watch.....and still "has it" as witnessed in the beginning of last season before his injury.


Whatever "it" is, I sure wish he would have brought it to the Giants game in the NFC championship game.


I'm glad that "it" factor got us to that game.. Thanks for playing!

:bclap:

As long as we're playing the nice job pat each other one the ass I'll play to

[cpk1994]

I hope he gets that one more super bowl ring that he had little to no chance of getting it here as long as TT had anything to say about it.This is the single most retarded thing I have ever heard. Actually, its absolute BS. TT job is to build the team to win football games and get it in the Super Bowl. To think that TT doesn't want his team in the SB is stupid.

[MOBB DEEP]

Why the Packer 'O' offered Favre $20 Million to stay retired.

Probably because they wanted to continue to sell Favre jerseys while he still had a lot of good will in Wisconsin?

the timing of the "offer" was awfully shady pal......pack org HAD to know how it would be perceived and one's perception = their reality!

[cpk1994]

Why the Packer 'O' offered Favre $20 Million to stay retired.

Probably because they wanted to continue to sell Favre jerseys while he still had a lot of good will in Wisconsin?

the timing of the "offer" was awfully shady pal......pack org HAD to know how it would be perceived and one's perception = their reality!Favre was given the offer the day he "retired". How is that shady? Murphy went down to Mississippi to remind Favre of the offer. I know you have your lips chapped on Favre's ass, but you still need to get your facts straight.

[Scott Campbell]

Brett Favre is fun to watch.....and still "has it" as witnessed in the beginning of last season before his injury.


Whatever "it" is, I sure wish he would have brought it to the Giants game in the NFC championship game.


I'm glad that "it" factor got us to that game.. Thanks for playing!

:bclap:

As long as we're playing the nice job pat each other one the ass I'll play to


But no ass pat for Ted unless he wins a Superbowl - right B?

Double standard.

[MOBB DEEP]

Why the Packer 'O' offered Favre $20 Million to stay retired.

Probably because they wanted to continue to sell Favre jerseys while he still had a lot of good will in Wisconsin?

the timing of the "offer" was awfully shady pal......pack org HAD to know how it would be perceived and one's perception = their reality!Favre was given the offer the day he "retired". How is that shady? Murphy went down to Mississippi to remind Favre of the offer. I know you have your lips chapped on Favre's ass, but you still need to get your facts straight.

dont u remember all the mess that was STILL going on when murph went down there? led to reports that packers were tryn to pay favre to stay retired! DUH!

[MOBB DEEP]

ok, "duh" was so middle school girl-like

he he...

[Gunakor]

Why the Packer 'O' offered Favre $20 Million to stay retired.

Probably because they wanted to continue to sell Favre jerseys while he still had a lot of good will in Wisconsin?

the timing of the "offer" was awfully shady pal......pack org HAD to know how it would be perceived and one's perception = their reality!Favre was given the offer the day he "retired". How is that shady? Murphy went down to Mississippi to remind Favre of the offer. I know you have your lips chapped on Favre's ass, but you still need to get your facts straight.

dont u remember all the mess that was STILL going on when murph went down there? led to reports that packers were tryn to pay favre to stay retired! DUH!

Those weren't reports. They were reported rumors. I would like the source that definitively says the offer was made as a bribe. Please post it here. I think the business logic behind the move makes a ton more sense than just paying someone 20 million dollars just to stop playing football. Come on now...

[MOBB DEEP]

Why the Packer 'O' offered Favre $20 Million to stay retired.

Probably because they wanted to continue to sell Favre jerseys while he still had a lot of good will in Wisconsin?

the timing of the "offer" was awfully shady pal......pack org HAD to know how it would be perceived and one's perception = their reality!Favre was given the offer the day he "retired". How is that shady? Murphy went down to Mississippi to remind Favre of the offer. I know you have your lips chapped on Favre's ass, but you still need to get your facts straight.

dont u remember all the mess that was STILL going on when murph went down there? led to reports that packers were tryn to pay favre to stay retired! DUH!

Those weren't reports. They were reported rumors. I would like the source that definitively says the offer was made as a bribe. Please post it here. I think the business logic behind the move makes a ton more sense than just paying someone 20 million dollars just to stop playing football. Come on now...

i can dig that; but the timing was awkward no?

[Scott Campbell]

Why the Packer 'O' offered Favre $20 Million to stay retired.

Probably because they wanted to continue to sell Favre jerseys while he still had a lot of good will in Wisconsin?

the timing of the "offer" was awfully shady pal......pack org HAD to know how it would be perceived and one's perception = their reality!Favre was given the offer the day he "retired". How is that shady? Murphy went down to Mississippi to remind Favre of the offer. I know you have your lips chapped on Favre's ass, but you still need to get your facts straight.

dont u remember all the mess that was STILL going on when murph went down there? led to reports that packers were tryn to pay favre to stay retired! DUH!

Those weren't reports. They were reported rumors. I would like the source that definitively says the offer was made as a bribe. Please post it here. I think the business logic behind the move makes a ton more sense than just paying someone 20 million dollars just to stop playing football. Come on now...

i can dig that; but the timing was awkward no?


The best example of awkward timing is when Brett called Matt Millen during game week to discuss.............hunting. :lol:

[Gunakor]

Why the Packer 'O' offered Favre $20 Million to stay retired.

Probably because they wanted to continue to sell Favre jerseys while he still had a lot of good will in Wisconsin?

the timing of the "offer" was awfully shady pal......pack org HAD to know how it would be perceived and one's perception = their reality!Favre was given the offer the day he "retired". How is that shady? Murphy went down to Mississippi to remind Favre of the offer. I know you have your lips chapped on Favre's ass, but you still need to get your facts straight.

dont u remember all the mess that was STILL going on when murph went down there? led to reports that packers were tryn to pay favre to stay retired! DUH!

Those weren't reports. They were reported rumors. I would like the source that definitively says the offer was made as a bribe. Please post it here. I think the business logic behind the move makes a ton more sense than just paying someone 20 million dollars just to stop playing football. Come on now...

i can dig that; but the timing was awkward no?

What would have been a better time? Was there a better time?

[MOBB DEEP]

maybe mid-season after everything blew over

of course in retrospect we can see that even more mess happened after the offer

but i dont know y they didnt wait a few months; wat was the hurry?

what was the motivation to do it RIGHT THEN?

[Scott Campbell]

maybe mid-season after everything blew over

of course in retrospect we can see that even more mess happened after the offer

but i dont know y they didnt wait a few months; wat was the hurry?

what was the motivation to do it RIGHT THEN?




It was one of a number of things the Packers did wrong prior to asking Ari Fleischer how to handle it.

[Gunakor]

maybe mid-season after everything blew over

of course in retrospect we can see that even more mess happened after the offer

but i dont know y they didnt wait a few months; wat was the hurry?

Yeah, Murphy's gonna fly over to New York to visit with Favre after football practice with the Jets to offer him a marketing deal with the Packers.

Doesn't hold water.

They could have just waited until after he retired for good, whenever that is. I think making the offer while he was still technically property of the Packers was in an attempt to save the relationship. Had they waited, just not said or did anything for a couple years, Favre could have viewed that as the Packers just not being interested in it at all. At least this way the offer is out there, and hopefully when this circus ends he'll come back and take the offer. That's what is best for everyone IMO, as Brett gets to retire a Packer (not to mention an extra 20 million dollars richer) and the Packers make a good profit on Favre merchandise after his retirement.

[Scott Campbell]

maybe mid-season after everything blew over

of course in retrospect we can see that even more mess happened after the offer

but i dont know y they didnt wait a few months; wat was the hurry?

Yeah, Murphy's gonna fly over to New York to visit with Favre after football practice with the Jets to offer him a marketing deal with the Packers.

Doesn't hold water.

They could have just waited until after he retired for good, whenever that is. I think making the offer while he was still technically property of the Packers was in an attempt to save the relationship. Had they waited, just not said or did anything for a couple years, Favre could have viewed that as the Packers just not being interested in it at all. At least this way the offer is out there, and hopefully when this circus ends he'll come back and take the offer. That's what is best for everyone IMO, as Brett gets to retire a Packer (not to mention an extra 20 million dollars richer) and the Packers make a good profit on Favre merchandise after his retirement.


The offer was a complete cluster. Everybody made fun of it - especially Favre.

[Gunakor]

maybe mid-season after everything blew over

of course in retrospect we can see that even more mess happened after the offer

but i dont know y they didnt wait a few months; wat was the hurry?

Yeah, Murphy's gonna fly over to New York to visit with Favre after football practice with the Jets to offer him a marketing deal with the Packers.

Doesn't hold water.

They could have just waited until after he retired for good, whenever that is. I think making the offer while he was still technically property of the Packers was in an attempt to save the relationship. Had they waited, just not said or did anything for a couple years, Favre could have viewed that as the Packers just not being interested in it at all. At least this way the offer is out there, and hopefully when this circus ends he'll come back and take the offer. That's what is best for everyone IMO, as Brett gets to retire a Packer (not to mention an extra 20 million dollars richer) and the Packers make a good profit on Favre merchandise after his retirement.


The offer was a complete cluster. Everybody made fun of it - especially Favre.

Favre viewed it as a buy off. Of course he would make fun of it. That's his problem.

Murphy viewed it as an opportunity to make a shitload of money. That's rather hard to make fun of. If you knew of a way to turn 20 million dollars into 100 millon dollars, even if you knew it would create controversy, would you do it? (And yes, it's legal, just controversial)

[Scott Campbell]

Favre viewed it as a buy off.



I disagree completely.


Favre viewed it as an opportunity to make the Packer look bad, and he exploited the gesture mercilessly.

[Scott Campbell]

Murphy viewed it as an opportunity to make a shitload of money.


I also disagree completely. I think Murphy viewed it as an opportunity to help protect Favre's Packer legacy from the guy who seemed unsure of whether he was going to play again. The financial return on investment is speculative at best - potentially a major blunder in this economy.

[Gunakor]

Murphy viewed it as an opportunity to make a shitload of money.


I also disagree completely. I think Murphy viewed it as an opportunity to help protect Favre's Packer legacy from the guy who seemed unsure of whether he was going to play again. The financial return on investment is speculative at best - potentially a major blunder in this economy.

This economy isn't last summer's economy. I'm not sure if the same offer would be made if the separation played out this summer vs. last. I'm sure that was part of it, but let's be honest. There would have been substantial profit had Favre taken that offer last summer. There may be less profit the longer he waits but it's still going to be a substantial amount. You can't tell me that Murphy wasn't seeing dollar signs out of at least one eye.

[Scott Campbell]

There would have been substantial profit had Favre taken that offer last summer.


Lets be honest - unless you've seen the financial models, you're making a speculative assumption.

[Gunakor]

There would have been substantial profit had Favre taken that offer last summer.


Lets be honest - unless you've seen the financial models, you're making a speculative assumption.

Yes, but it is a pretty sound one. You underestimate the level of support Favre still has around here, and moreso last summer before this whole thing blew up. Nothing is guaranteed, obviously, but it would've been a pretty sound investment - as sound as any other the franchise has made.

[MOBB DEEP]

maybe mid-season after everything blew over

of course in retrospect we can see that even more mess happened after the offer

but i dont know y they didnt wait a few months; wat was the hurry?

what was the motivation to do it RIGHT THEN?




It was one of a number of things the Packers did wrong prior to asking Ari Fleischer how to handle it.


ahhh, good point....i forgot about Ari

SC, ur an elephant

[Scott Campbell]

There would have been substantial profit had Favre taken that offer last summer.


Lets be honest - unless you've seen the financial models, you're making a speculative assumption.

Yes, but it is a pretty sound one.


I'm going to disagree with your assumption.

[Gunakor]

There would have been substantial profit had Favre taken that offer last summer.


Lets be honest - unless you've seen the financial models, you're making a speculative assumption.

Yes, but it is a pretty sound one.


I'm going to disagree with your assumption.

And you are entitled to.

[MOBB DEEP]

maybe mid-season after everything blew over

of course in retrospect we can see that even more mess happened after the offer

but i dont know y they didnt wait a few months; wat was the hurry?

Yeah, Murphy's gonna fly over to New York to visit with Favre after football practice with the Jets to offer him a marketing deal with the Packers.

Doesn't hold water.

They could have just waited until after he retired for good, whenever that is. I think making the offer while he was still technically property of the Packers was in an attempt to save the relationship. Had they waited, just not said or did anything for a couple years, Favre could have viewed that as the Packers just not being interested in it at all. At least this way the offer is out there, and hopefully when this circus ends he'll come back and take the offer. That's what is best for everyone IMO, as Brett gets to retire a Packer (not to mention an extra 20 million dollars richer) and the Packers make a good profit on Favre merchandise after his retirement.

LIKE I SAID, in retrospect we know alot of mes still transpired

but when murph went down there no one knew favre would become a jet

WHAT WAS THE HURRY

[Gunakor]

Just a thought, Scott, do you think that Murphy is stupid enough to offer a guy 20 million dollars to simply stop playing professional football, and would that be any less a blunder in today's economy?

[Scott Campbell]

ahhh, good point....i forgot about Ari

SC, ur an elephant


You can't forget about Ari. The entire front office immediately got on message, and there was no negative Packer press from that point forward as far as I can remember. That's when the tide of public sentiment started to further tilt against Brett - IMO. And it continues to tilt further from the polls I've seen.

[Scott Campbell]

Just a thought, Scott, do you think that Murphy is stupid enough to offer a guy 20 million dollars to simply stop playing professional football, and would that be any less a blunder in today's economy?


Was San Antonio dumb enough to build the Alamo dome?


I won't believer that was a sound financial decision until I see the math for myself. You have to sell way too many damned jerseys to make back $20M in profit.

[MOBB DEEP]

ahhh, good point....i forgot about Ari

SC, ur an elephant


You can't forget about Ari. The entire front office immediately got on message, and there was no negative Packer press from that point forward as far as I can remember. That's when the tide of public sentiment started to further tilt against Brett - IMO. And it continues to tilt further from the polls I've seen.

im disappointed u're not in the favre love VW wagon but thats spot on SC

[Gunakor]

maybe mid-season after everything blew over

of course in retrospect we can see that even more mess happened after the offer

but i dont know y they didnt wait a few months; wat was the hurry?

Yeah, Murphy's gonna fly over to New York to visit with Favre after football practice with the Jets to offer him a marketing deal with the Packers.

Doesn't hold water.

They could have just waited until after he retired for good, whenever that is. I think making the offer while he was still technically property of the Packers was in an attempt to save the relationship. Had they waited, just not said or did anything for a couple years, Favre could have viewed that as the Packers just not being interested in it at all. At least this way the offer is out there, and hopefully when this circus ends he'll come back and take the offer. That's what is best for everyone IMO, as Brett gets to retire a Packer (not to mention an extra 20 million dollars richer) and the Packers make a good profit on Favre merchandise after his retirement.

LIKE I SAID, in retrospect we know alot of mes still transpired

but when murph went down there no one knew favre would become a jet

WHAT WAS THE HURRY

We knew he wasn't going to be a Packer. So he was going to become something, and it wasn't a Packer. When rumors started swirling that he was seeking a trade or release so he could play football again, the deal had to be made. Otherwise he'd be gone and there would be no deal offered. That's the hurry.

[MOBB DEEP]

maybe mid-season after everything blew over

of course in retrospect we can see that even more mess happened after the offer

but i dont know y they didnt wait a few months; wat was the hurry?

Yeah, Murphy's gonna fly over to New York to visit with Favre after football practice with the Jets to offer him a marketing deal with the Packers.

Doesn't hold water.

They could have just waited until after he retired for good, whenever that is. I think making the offer while he was still technically property of the Packers was in an attempt to save the relationship. Had they waited, just not said or did anything for a couple years, Favre could have viewed that as the Packers just not being interested in it at all. At least this way the offer is out there, and hopefully when this circus ends he'll come back and take the offer. That's what is best for everyone IMO, as Brett gets to retire a Packer (not to mention an extra 20 million dollars richer) and the Packers make a good profit on Favre merchandise after his retirement.

LIKE I SAID, in retrospect we know alot of mes still transpired

but when murph went down there no one knew favre would become a jet

WHAT WAS THE HURRY

We knew he wasn't going to be a Packer. So he was going to become something, and it wasn't a Packer. When rumors started swirling that he was seeking a trade or release so he could play football again, the deal had to be made. Otherwise he'd be gone and there would be no deal offered. That's the hurry.

honestly, i cant recall timeline but if thats true then alright

[Gunakor]

Just a thought, Scott, do you think that Murphy is stupid enough to offer a guy 20 million dollars to simply stop playing professional football, and would that be any less a blunder in today's economy?


Was San Antonio dumb enough to build the Alamo dome?


I won't believer that was a sound financial decision until I see the math for myself. You have to sell way too many damned jerseys to make back $20M in profit.

Jerseys, t-shirts, bobbleheads, artwork, you name it. Anything with Favre's name or likeness on it. They can create ways to use it. It all makes money over time. They're selling Brett Favre, and Brett Favre sells. He always has.

[Scott Campbell]

I still say the move was a blunder - very easy in retrospect, but not all that difficult real time. I remember cringing when I first got wind of it.

[Scott Campbell]

Jerseys, t-shirts, bobbleheads, artwork, you name it. Anything with Favre's name or likeness on it. They can create ways to use it. It all makes money over time. They're selling Brett Favre, and Brett Favre sells. He always has.


LOL

No he hasn't. He didn't sell a damned thing prior to his arrival in 92. And I'm not sure he's going to sell much when he's done either. I guarantee that Mr. Coffee didn't pay Joe DiMaggio an inflation adjusted $20M.

[MJZiggy]

Blunder or not, I'm still getting e-mails from Favre's website. Still sells Packer stuff too. Apparently he doesn't hate them enough to stop making money off of them.

[Gunakor]

Jerseys, t-shirts, bobbleheads, artwork, you name it. Anything with Favre's name or likeness on it. They can create ways to use it. It all makes money over time. They're selling Brett Favre, and Brett Favre sells. He always has.


LOL

No he hasn't. He didn't sell a damned thing prior to his arrival in 92. And I'm not sure he's going to sell much when he's done either. I guarantee that Mr. Coffee didn't pay Joe DiMaggio an inflation adjusted $20M.

Well no shit he didn't sell anything prior to 1992. Nobody knew who he was until 1994.

People still buy Bart Starr and Ray Nitschke stuff, so I'm fairly certain Favre will sell post retirement too.

[MOBB DEEP]

Blunder or not, I'm still getting e-mails from Favre's website. Still sells Packer stuff too. Apparently he doesn't hate them enough to stop making money off of them.

wow....u go boy....

[MJZiggy]

If he joins the Vikings, you know where he can put his e-mails right?

[MOBB DEEP]

on your twitter account i KNOW!

[MJZiggy]

Is that what they're calling it these days?

[MOBB DEEP]

i believe so; i havnt evoled tho

i still rock the sky pager

[Scott Campbell]

i believe so; i havnt evoled tho

i still rock the sky pager



http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2006/08/old-cell-phones-get-cingular-fee.jpg

[Chevelle2]

Buckle. Up.

http://blogs.twincities.com/Vikings/2009/06/bus-cook-favres-arm-will-be-fi.html


Brett Favre's agent said today he believes the quarterback's surgically-repaired arm will be fine

[Bretsky]

Brett Favre is fun to watch.....and still "has it" as witnessed in the beginning of last season before his injury.


Whatever "it" is, I sure wish he would have brought it to the Giants game in the NFC championship game.


I'm glad that "it" factor got us to that game.. Thanks for playing!

:bclap:

As long as we're playing the nice job pat each other one the ass I'll play to


But no ass pat for Ted unless he wins a Superbowl - right B?

Double standard.


Maybe I'm not smart or just confused after playing softball and having a couple but I don't understand what you are implying or mean.

Shadow patted you on the ass cause he liked your point so I did the same to paco because I liked his point just as well.

[Deputy Nutz]

Murphy viewed it as an opportunity to make a shitload of money.


I also disagree completely. I think Murphy viewed it as an opportunity to help protect Favre's Packer legacy from the guy who seemed unsure of whether he was going to play again. The financial return on investment is speculative at best - potentially a major blunder in this economy.

So the Packers are like Favre's own Secret Service?

[cpk1994]

Why the Packer 'O' offered Favre $20 Million to stay retired.

Probably because they wanted to continue to sell Favre jerseys while he still had a lot of good will in Wisconsin?

the timing of the "offer" was awfully shady pal......pack org HAD to know how it would be perceived and one's perception = their reality!Favre was given the offer the day he "retired". How is that shady? Murphy went down to Mississippi to remind Favre of the offer. I know you have your lips chapped on Favre's ass, but you still need to get your facts straight.

dont u remember all the mess that was STILL going on when murph went down there? led to reports that packers were tryn to pay favre to stay retired! DUH!Yeah, that was ESPN being dishonest. You know, the network which was clearly in the tank for Favre and bashed TT at every point. Murphy went down there and reiterated the deal he offered Favre at the time of his "retirement". ESPN is good at being misleading and distorting the truth. You are being very gullible or ignorant, not sure which.

[SnakeLH2006]

C'mon this Favre-O-Drama is fun. It wasn't last year, but it makes flipping on ESPN in the morning at work very enjoyable at work (mixed group of hardcore Pack fans like Snake, Vike fans, and Bear fans) as there's something new everyday to talk about. The real point is that he's not a Packer anymore, so much luck to all the Vike brass in dealing with the circus as it just gets crazier every year with Brett.

Ya, I'd like to see him play, so long as we whoop his ass head to head and in the division. Bottom line, he's still easily one of the most exciting sports players to watch in all of sports...still!! Just glad we don't have to deal with it as we have ARod now. :D

[MOBB DEEP]

i believe so; i havnt evoled tho

i still rock the sky pager



http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2006/08/old-cell-phones-get-cingular-fee.jpg

WOW!

[GBRulz]

No, we aren't having fun yet. At least I'm not. The whole idea of Favre being a Viking sickens me.

The team that I despise most in the NFL is the Vikings. My favorite player of all-time is Favre. I've been bashed by many on here last season, because ya know, you cannot be a Packer fan and still support Favre at the same time.... :roll: Well, I did support him with the Jets, but if he goes to MN, it's an entire different story for me. I never wanted to believe that he would play just to stick it to TT. And don't tell me he just wants to play football because if he just wanted to play, then why isn't he talking with other teams??

I have stayed pretty mum throughout this latest ordeal because again, I don't want to believe that Favre would come back and disrespect the organization and the fans that supported him for so many years. I know some of you don't feel that way, but I certainly do. He played for TT for three seasons. He played for the Packers and the Packer fans for 16. How is that not sticking it to us? Again, 95% of this is media talk and nothing really from Brett himself, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt. But, should be put that ugly purple uni on, it's all off.

I forget who mentioned the fact about Favre's jersey being at Goodwill. That person actually makes a valid point because mine will probably be one of them, should be sign with MN.

[Fritz]

Ruh-Roh. If Brett Favre pisses of Ms. GBRulz, who has been both a good Packer fan and a Favre fan, then he's really, really messed up.

Don't do it, Brett!

[MOBB DEEP]

Why the Packer 'O' offered Favre $20 Million to stay retired.

Probably because they wanted to continue to sell Favre jerseys while he still had a lot of good will in Wisconsin?

the timing of the "offer" was awfully shady pal......pack org HAD to know how it would be perceived and one's perception = their reality!Favre was given the offer the day he "retired". How is that shady? Murphy went down to Mississippi to remind Favre of the offer. I know you have your lips chapped on Favre's ass, but you still need to get your facts straight.

dont u remember all the mess that was STILL going on when murph went down there? led to reports that packers were tryn to pay favre to stay retired! DUH!Yeah, that was ESPN being dishonest. You know, the network which was clearly in the tank for Favre and bashed TT at every point. Murphy went down there and reiterated the deal he offered Favre at the time of his "retirement". ESPN is good at being misleading and distorting the truth. You are being very gullible or ignorant, not sure which.

ok, so you're sayn that murph went down there at the most optimal time?

i cant recall EVERYTHING but i do remember that the timing was weird; thats ALL im postulating my man

yes, i watch espn but thats irrelevant; i KNOW favre said he felt insulted and im assuming its b/c of WHEN it happend...who would feel insulted with THAT kina offer unles it seemed SHADY???? if it was when he had been retired for AT LEAST six - eight months he would prob feel flattered

btw, i have NO PROB with being corrected when im truly wrong; thats how we grow as individuals

but to counter with conjecture (an activity alot of posters engage in) = flame baiting

[MOBB DEEP]

No, we aren't having fun yet. At least I'm not. The whole idea of Favre being a Viking sickens me.

The team that I despise most in the NFL is the Vikings. My favorite player of all-time is Favre. I've been bashed by many on here last season, because ya know, you cannot be a Packer fan and still support Favre at the same time.... :roll: Well, I did support him with the Jets, but if he goes to MN, it's an entire different story for me. I never wanted to believe that he would play just to stick it to TT. And don't tell me he just wants to play football because if he just wanted to play, then why isn't he talking with other teams??

I have stayed pretty mum throughout this latest ordeal because again, I don't want to believe that Favre would come back and disrespect the organization and the fans that supported him for so many years. I know some of you don't feel that way, but I certainly do. He played for TT for three seasons. He played for the Packers and the Packer fans for 16. How is that not sticking it to us? Again, 95% of this is media talk and nothing really from Brett himself, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt. But, should be put that ugly purple uni on, it's all off.

I forget who mentioned the fact about Favre's jersey being at Goodwill. That person actually makes a valid point because mine will probably be one of them, should be sign with MN.



nooooo; dont give to goodwill, send to me

i want ALL of his nfl jerzies (pack, jets, vikes) b/c i dig players more than orgs (not like a fav ncaa player of ours actually controls who drafts them or an nfl player controls where he's traded - cant imagine moss longing for raiders or lord favre prefering nyj)

i have a favre packers sweatshirt (MAD expensive) but not a jersey

hook me up!

long live the PLAYERS, who are the ones that ENTERTAIN us!!!!

[Packerarcher]

No, we aren't having fun yet. At least I'm not. The whole idea of Favre being a Viking sickens me.

The team that I despise most in the NFL is the Vikings. My favorite player of all-time is Favre. I've been bashed by many on here last season, because ya know, you cannot be a Packer fan and still support Favre at the same time.... :roll: Well, I did support him with the Jets, but if he goes to MN, it's an entire different story for me. I never wanted to believe that he would play just to stick it to TT. And don't tell me he just wants to play football because if he just wanted to play, then why isn't he talking with other teams??

I have stayed pretty mum throughout this latest ordeal because again, I don't want to believe that Favre would come back and disrespect the organization and the fans that supported him for so many years. I know some of you don't feel that way, but I certainly do. He played for TT for three seasons. He played for the Packers and the Packer fans for 16. How is that not sticking it to us? Again, 95% of this is media talk and nothing really from Brett himself, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt. But, should be put that ugly purple uni on, it's all off.

I forget who mentioned the fact about Favre's jersey being at Goodwill. That person actually makes a valid point because mine will probably be one of them, should be sign with MN.

As I have said MANY times before Brett owes Green Bay nothing. The GB org is the one that took a shit on him. So if you are going to talk loyalty it should go BOTH ways. Why shouldn't he go to the Vikes,they offer him the best chance at another SB.

[pbmax]

I never wanted to believe that he would play just to stick it to TT. And don't tell me he just wants to play football because if he just wanted to play, then why isn't he talking with other teams??
This point (a good one) is exactly why a player at Favre's career stage is such a difficult asset.

Favre would have loved to stay with the Packers and continue to play. But really wanted for the team to be built for now, not for the future, and that meant a difficult match with the GM. And he would prefer not to have to be at mini-camps or OTAs, and that made McCarthy a tougher match than Sherman. He would also like the team to beg him back, to provide some cover if his ability suddenly went South one year. The young Packers might, however, give him a shot of playing long enough to make it impossible for Manning to get his records. However, with Rodgers there, they have an option to do this without him.

He would have liked to stay with Tannenbaum in NY as he was building for now, but they had a new coach and they would not be running his offense. They also needed an answer soon so they could rework their cap prior to FA and the draft. He also might have had to be around for OTAs and minicamps since its a new head coach. And that meant one additional minicamp. Its also unclear how good the Jets will be, as the Patriots and Dolphins will be better and who knows what Buffalo will be like with TO. So they might already be struggling for a wild card.

He would like to play for Childress and Bevell, as they run his offense and have a running game to support him. The division might not be as tough as the AFC East, and even the wild card race might be better. Chilly might not demand his appearance at minicamps and OTAs, especially if surgery is delayed until 6 weeks before training camp. And he already knows the offense so missing them doesn't put him in a hole game wise or PR wise. He risks ticking off the Packer fan base. He might get the chance to put his records out of reach, or at least play until Manning breaks something else, but the Vikings will probably not make a long term investment. On the plus side, Sagvarious Jacksonfels doesn't scare even a 40 year old.

As an old player, the list of things he is willing to do, not willing to do, and things he would prefer is long indeed. So the answer to GBRulz's question is that there are precious few teams that meet all the requirements. And this doesn't even consider the bonus of sticking it to Thompson twice a year. This is also why a young team is easier to manage than a celebrity QB, everyone is desperate to succeed and usually pulling in the same direction.

What kills me is that hyper-competitive guy Favre does not see the need for year round training. I think it speaks to him being mentally burned out on the game and exposes the blind spot he has for his own vulnerabilities late in the season. And this, as well as his age and increasing likelihood of injury, makes him a big risk.

[MOBB DEEP]

I never wanted to believe that he would play just to stick it to TT. And don't tell me he just wants to play football because if he just wanted to play, then why isn't he talking with other teams??
This point (a good one) is exactly why a player at Favre's career stage is such a difficult asset.

Favre would have loved to stay with the Packers and continue to play. But really wanted for the team to be built for now, not for the future, and that meant a difficult match with the GM. And he would prefer not to have to be at mini-camps or OTAs, and that made McCarthy a tougher match than Sherman. He would also like the team to beg him back, to provide some cover if his ability suddenly went South one year. The young Packers might, however, give him a shot of playing long enough to make it impossible for Manning to get his records. However, with Rodgers there, they have an option to do this without him.

He would have liked to stay with Tannenbaum in NY as he was building for now, but they had a new coach and they would not be running his offense. They also needed an answer soon so they could rework their cap prior to FA and the draft. He also might have had to be around for OTAs and minicamps since its a new head coach. And that meant one additional minicamp. Its also unclear how good the Jets will be, as the Patriots and Dolphins will be better and who knows what Buffalo will be like with TO. So they might already be struggling for a wild card.

He would like to play for Childress and Bevell, as they run his offense and have a running game to support him. The division might not be as tough as the AFC East, and even the wild card race might be better. Chilly might not demand his appearance at minicamps and OTAs, especially if surgery is delayed until 6 weeks before training camp. And he already knows the offense so missing them doesn't put him in a hole game wise or PR wise. He risks ticking off the Packer fan base. He might get the chance to put his records out of reach, or at least play until Manning breaks something else, but the Vikings will probably not make a long term investment. On the plus side, Sagvarious Jacksonfels doesn't scare even a 40 year old.

As an old player, the list of things he is willing to do, not willing to do, and things he would prefer is long indeed. So the answer to GBRulz's question is that there are precious few teams that meet all the requirements. And this doesn't even consider the bonus of sticking it to Thompson twice a year. This is also why a young team is easier to manage than a celebrity QB, everyone is desperate to succeed and usually pulling in the same direction.

What kills me is that hyper-competitive guy Favre does not see the need for year round training. I think it speaks to him being mentally burned out on the game and exposes the blind spot he has for his own vulnerabilities late in the season. And this, as well as his age and increasing likelihood of injury, makes him a big risk.

OMG, people listen to this man...

i've been jocking you ALOT lately (ebonics for championing your thoughts, comments, and quirks) and now im beginning to think you're my illegitimate white brother; thank thomas jefferson

this is thought out and well-put and cant possible illicit banter

pbmax = the thinking man sans misplaced emotions....

[cpk1994]

Why the Packer 'O' offered Favre $20 Million to stay retired.

Probably because they wanted to continue to sell Favre jerseys while he still had a lot of good will in Wisconsin?

the timing of the "offer" was awfully shady pal......pack org HAD to know how it would be perceived and one's perception = their reality!Favre was given the offer the day he "retired". How is that shady? Murphy went down to Mississippi to remind Favre of the offer. I know you have your lips chapped on Favre's ass, but you still need to get your facts straight.

dont u remember all the mess that was STILL going on when murph went down there? led to reports that packers were tryn to pay favre to stay retired! DUH!Yeah, that was ESPN being dishonest. You know, the network which was clearly in the tank for Favre and bashed TT at every point. Murphy went down there and reiterated the deal he offered Favre at the time of his "retirement". ESPN is good at being misleading and distorting the truth. You are being very gullible or ignorant, not sure which.

ok, so you're sayn that murph went down there at the most optimal time?

i cant recall EVERYTHING but i do remember that the timing was weird; thats ALL im postulating my man

yes, i watch espn but thats irrelevant; i KNOW favre said he felt insulted and im assuming its b/c of WHEN it happend...who would feel insulted with THAT kina offer unles it seemed SHADY???? if it was when he had been retired for AT LEAST six - eight months he would prob feel flattered

btw, i have NO PROB with being corrected when im truly wrong; thats how we grow as individuals

but to counter with conjecture (an activity alot of posters engage in) = flame baitingBecuase Favre was the picture of honesty. :roll: There is no conjecture. Favre was offered the $20 million deal well before Murphy went down to Mississippi. That is indisputable fact. ESPN knew when the offer took place(they even mention it in the article) but distorted the truth to spin a story in their golden boy's favor. And yes ESPN is relevant becuase you continue to buy their garbage.

[cpk1994]

No, we aren't having fun yet. At least I'm not. The whole idea of Favre being a Viking sickens me.

The team that I despise most in the NFL is the Vikings. My favorite player of all-time is Favre. I've been bashed by many on here last season, because ya know, you cannot be a Packer fan and still support Favre at the same time.... :roll: Well, I did support him with the Jets, but if he goes to MN, it's an entire different story for me. I never wanted to believe that he would play just to stick it to TT. And don't tell me he just wants to play football because if he just wanted to play, then why isn't he talking with other teams??

I have stayed pretty mum throughout this latest ordeal because again, I don't want to believe that Favre would come back and disrespect the organization and the fans that supported him for so many years. I know some of you don't feel that way, but I certainly do. He played for TT for three seasons. He played for the Packers and the Packer fans for 16. How is that not sticking it to us? Again, 95% of this is media talk and nothing really from Brett himself, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt. But, should be put that ugly purple uni on, it's all off.

I forget who mentioned the fact about Favre's jersey being at Goodwill. That person actually makes a valid point because mine will probably be one of them, should be sign with MN.

As I have said MANY times before Brett owes Green Bay nothing. The GB org is the one that took a shit on him. So if you are going to talk loyalty it should go BOTH ways. Why shouldn't he go to the Vikes,they offer him the best chance at another SB.So going on national TV and throwing coaches under the bus is not shittting on the team? God, you are delusional.

[Harlan Huckleby]

God, you are delusional.

Are we having fun yet? You bet we are!


I too find the creator to be totally insane. Why all the children born into poverty? And why create a universe and expect people living in it to worship you? You talk about your divas......

[Gunakor]

As I have said MANY times before Brett owes Green Bay nothing. The GB org is the one that took a shit on him. So if you are going to talk loyalty it should go BOTH ways. Why shouldn't he go to the Vikes,they offer him the best chance at another SB.

I absolutely agree with the sentiment that loyalty should go both ways. I also believe that it did. Favre played here for 16 seasons. No player will play in one spot for a decade and a half if the team he plays for shows no loyalty. Brett owes Green Bay nothing, I agree. Also, Green Bay owes Brett nothing. They left on even terms. Brett gave the Packers 16 outstanding seasons, and the Packers provided great teammates, a great work environment, a myriad of postseason opportunities, enough money for he and his entire family to be set for life, etc. It's a wash as far as who owes who.

You imply that the Packers took a shit on Favre because they didn't just give him his job back after he had given it up. If it were anybody else besides Brett Favre, would you feel the same way? Say Chad Clifton announced his retirement today, and then in a month said he changed his mind. Yet when he came back, he was told that Daryn Colledge was the starting LT, and we didn't have any room for him anymore. Would you consider that to be the Packers taking a shit on Chad Clifton? Or would you consider that the normal business procedure following a player's retirement?

[MOBB DEEP]

Why the Packer 'O' offered Favre $20 Million to stay retired.

Probably because they wanted to continue to sell Favre jerseys while he still had a lot of good will in Wisconsin?

the timing of the "offer" was awfully shady pal......pack org HAD to know how it would be perceived and one's perception = their reality!Favre was given the offer the day he "retired". How is that shady? Murphy went down to Mississippi to remind Favre of the offer. I know you have your lips chapped on Favre's ass, but you still need to get your facts straight.

dont u remember all the mess that was STILL going on when murph went down there? led to reports that packers were tryn to pay favre to stay retired! DUH!Yeah, that was ESPN being dishonest. You know, the network which was clearly in the tank for Favre and bashed TT at every point. Murphy went down there and reiterated the deal he offered Favre at the time of his "retirement". ESPN is good at being misleading and distorting the truth. You are being very gullible or ignorant, not sure which.

ok, so you're sayn that murph went down there at the most optimal time?

i cant recall EVERYTHING but i do remember that the timing was weird; thats ALL im postulating my man

yes, i watch espn but thats irrelevant; i KNOW favre said he felt insulted and im assuming its b/c of WHEN it happend...who would feel insulted with THAT kina offer unles it seemed SHADY???? if it was when he had been retired for AT LEAST six - eight months he would prob feel flattered

btw, i have NO PROB with being corrected when im truly wrong; thats how we grow as individuals

but to counter with conjecture (an activity alot of posters engage in) = flame baitingBecuase Favre was the picture of honesty. :roll: There is no conjecture. Favre was offered the $20 million deal well before Murphy went down to Mississippi. That is indisputable fact. ESPN knew when the offer took place(they even mention it in the article) but distorted the truth to spin a story in their golden boy's favor. And yes ESPN is relevant becuase you continue to buy their garbage.

ok, i stand corrected; i didnt know that when murph went down to miss favre had already been offered the deal weeks before

i thought it was only when he "threatened" to cause a stir did pack org decide to "quiet" him

i was bamboozled i guess

like a sheep

DAYUM!!

[MOBB DEEP]

God, you are delusional.

Are we having fun yet? You bet we are!


I too find the creator to be totally insane. Why all the children born into poverty? And why create a universe and expect people living in it to worship you? You talk about your divas......

lol; ur stupid HH

[MOBB DEEP]

As I have said MANY times before Brett owes Green Bay nothing. The GB org is the one that took a shit on him. So if you are going to talk loyalty it should go BOTH ways. Why shouldn't he go to the Vikes,they offer him the best chance at another SB.

I absolutely agree with the sentiment that loyalty should go both ways. I also believe that it did. Favre played here for 16 seasons. No player will play in one spot for a decade and a half if the team he plays for shows no loyalty. Brett owes Green Bay nothing, I agree. Also, Green Bay owes Brett nothing. They left on even terms. Brett gave the Packers 16 outstanding seasons, and the Packers provided great teammates, a great work environment, a myriad of postseason opportunities, enough money for he and his entire family to be set for life, etc. It's a wash as far as who owes who.

You imply that the Packers took a shit on Favre because they didn't just give him his job back after he had given it up. If it were anybody else besides Brett Favre, would you feel the same way? Say Chad Clifton announced his retirement today, and then in a month said he changed his mind. Yet when he came back, he was told that Daryn Colledge was the starting LT, and we didn't have any room for him anymore. Would you consider that to be the Packers taking a shit on Chad Clifton? Or would you consider that the normal business procedure following a player's retirement?

clifton to favre = apples to frickn oranges

yes favre DID deserve special treatment like MANY superstars before and after..they EARN it by frickn PRODUCING...there's a thousand cliftons to every 10 lord favres like there's a thousand TTs to every 1 "my brett" LOL

not rocket science....

[cpk1994]

As I have said MANY times before Brett owes Green Bay nothing. The GB org is the one that took a shit on him. So if you are going to talk loyalty it should go BOTH ways. Why shouldn't he go to the Vikes,they offer him the best chance at another SB.

I absolutely agree with the sentiment that loyalty should go both ways. I also believe that it did. Favre played here for 16 seasons. No player will play in one spot for a decade and a half if the team he plays for shows no loyalty. Brett owes Green Bay nothing, I agree. Also, Green Bay owes Brett nothing. They left on even terms. Brett gave the Packers 16 outstanding seasons, and the Packers provided great teammates, a great work environment, a myriad of postseason opportunities, enough money for he and his entire family to be set for life, etc. It's a wash as far as who owes who.

You imply that the Packers took a shit on Favre because they didn't just give him his job back after he had given it up. If it were anybody else besides Brett Favre, would you feel the same way? Say Chad Clifton announced his retirement today, and then in a month said he changed his mind. Yet when he came back, he was told that Daryn Colledge was the starting LT, and we didn't have any room for him anymore. Would you consider that to be the Packers taking a shit on Chad Clifton? Or would you consider that the normal business procedure following a player's retirement?

clifton to favre = apples to frickn oranges

yes favre DID deserve special treatment like MANY superstars before and after..they EARN it by frickn PRODUCING...there's a thousand cliftons to every 10 lord favres like there's a thousand TTs to every 1 "my brett" LOL

not rocket science....Favre did not deserve special treatment. He is no greater than anyone else. He RETIRED. It amazes me you don't get that through your peabrain. You retire from your job and demand it back 3 months later and see what happens. My guess you will be escoreted out of the building.

[MOBB DEEP]

As I have said MANY times before Brett owes Green Bay nothing. The GB org is the one that took a shit on him. So if you are going to talk loyalty it should go BOTH ways. Why shouldn't he go to the Vikes,they offer him the best chance at another SB.

I absolutely agree with the sentiment that loyalty should go both ways. I also believe that it did. Favre played here for 16 seasons. No player will play in one spot for a decade and a half if the team he plays for shows no loyalty. Brett owes Green Bay nothing, I agree. Also, Green Bay owes Brett nothing. They left on even terms. Brett gave the Packers 16 outstanding seasons, and the Packers provided great teammates, a great work environment, a myriad of postseason opportunities, enough money for he and his entire family to be set for life, etc. It's a wash as far as who owes who.

You imply that the Packers took a shit on Favre because they didn't just give him his job back after he had given it up. If it were anybody else besides Brett Favre, would you feel the same way? Say Chad Clifton announced his retirement today, and then in a month said he changed his mind. Yet when he came back, he was told that Daryn Colledge was the starting LT, and we didn't have any room for him anymore. Would you consider that to be the Packers taking a shit on Chad Clifton? Or would you consider that the normal business procedure following a player's retirement?

clifton to favre = apples to frickn oranges

yes favre DID deserve special treatment like MANY superstars before and after..they EARN it by frickn PRODUCING...there's a thousand cliftons to every 10 lord favres like there's a thousand TTs to every 1 "my brett" LOL

not rocket science....Favre did not deserve special treatment. He is no greater than anyone else. He RETIRED. It amazes me you don't get that through your peabrain. You retire from your job and demand it back 3 months later and see what happens. My guess you will be escoreted out of the building.

lol, by security....lol at image

yeah, thats in the layman's world

pro sports is different....i think...millionaires playn childs game!

[MJZiggy]

lol, by security....lol at image

yeah, thats in the layman's world

pro sports is different....i think...millionaires playn childs game!

Apparently not.

[The Shadow]

According special treatment to any player of a TEAM is the sort of mistake that ensures ultimate failure in a TEAM game.
And that, we witnessed for too long.

[Cornholio]

Ted Thompson did nothing wrong? Come on now, don't fool yourself. Thompson wanted his man that he drafted to be the starting QB and the minute that Favre said he was "retired" there wasn't a snowballs chance in hell of Thompson letting him comeback. What Thompson and the organization as a whole did wrong in this situation is trying to tell Favre that while they didn't want him playing in Green Bay anymore, they didn't want him playing anywhere else either. That's just a ridiculously absurd thing to try to do. Saying Favre is sticking it to the organization that made him is just ridiculous as well. Let's look at where the Packers were before Favre came. Favre not only revived this organization, it's because of his star power and broad appeal that the Packers have routinely been in the top 5 revenue producing teams in the NFL. It's also the reason why they got to be on Monday Night Football 3 times a year. Without Favre, Reggie White would have never come to Green Bay. Favre's tenure brought the best winning % in the NFL over his 16 season here, for fans to turn on the man just because he wants to continue playing is just plain stupid.

[Cornholio]

If people actually believe that pro athletes play for the fans then they need their head checked out. If Favre wants to continue to play, whether it be for the ViQueens or for anybody else nobody has the right to tell the man that he can't do so. So what if in the eyes of many fans that he's ruining his legacy? It's his legacy to tarnish if he so chooses to do so. Green Bay has their man at QB and many of the fans who continue to drink Ted Thompson's Kool-Aid believe that this years team is going to be better than last years. If Packer fans truly believe that Rodgers is better suited to lead the Packers than Favre then why so much fuss over him playing for another team?

[cpk1994]

If people actually believe that pro athletes play for the fans then they need their head checked out. If Favre wants to continue to play, whether it be for the ViQueens or for anybody else nobody has the right to tell the man that he can't do so. So what if in the eyes of many fans that he's ruining his legacy? It's his legacy to tarnish if he so chooses to do so. Green Bay has their man at QB and many of the fans who continue to drink Ted Thompson's Kool-Aid believe that this years team is going to be better than last years. If Packer fans truly believe that Rodgers is better suited to lead the Packers than Favre then why so much fuss over him playing for another team?This has nothing to do with Rodgers. No GM in their right mind would trade a player to improve a team within his own division. That is career suicide. You never EVER make a bigger obstacle for yourself in trying to get to the SB. Ted Thompson did his job properly and traded Favre to the AFC.

And your other post about TT wanting Rodgers to be his man and push Favre out has no evidence. Rodgers was drafted becuase Favre was starting to waver about p,aying. Favre's indecision coupled with Rodgers falling into their lap made the pick happen. Inother words, your theory is complete bullshit.

[Pacopete4]

And your other post about TT wanting Rodgers to be his man and push Favre out has no evidence. Rodgers was drafted becuase Favre was starting to waver about p,aying. Favre's indecision coupled with Rodgers falling into their lap made the pick happen. Inother words, your theory is complete bullshit.


Thats your opinion and I'll respect it but I truely don't think we'll ever hear the whole story with everything. I really think there is more to it and unless Favre someday writes a book, or feels slighted even more by the Packers, we won't ever know what truely happened since TT was named GM of the Packers... just my two cents

(oh and don't say I don't have any evidence.. I realize that, I just have my feelings on the matter.)

[gex]

TT wanting Rodgers to be his man and push Favre out has no evidence.

And yet that is pretty much what happened 8-)





. In other words, your theory is complete bullshit.
Grow up or leave.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Cornholio]

Thompson is a terrible GM, if you want to defend a man who has presided over the worst span of Packer football in 20 years while running the man who took Green Bay back to national prominence out of town then by all means do so, you will look quite foolish doing so, to me anyway. What about Thompson's Kool-Aid is so tasty that fans like you can't resist it? Is it his remarkable 31-33 record since taking over as GM? Was it his bumbling of the situation with Favre that made you a believer? Was it last years 7 game backslide? I need to know what it is that makes people blindly defend the man, it's quite interesting to me. Ted Thompson has one more year left in Green Bay, then hopefully after this years 7-9 campaign the Board of Directors will come to their senses and fire this horrible GM who has tainted the good name of this organization.

[cpk1994]

Thompson is a terrible GM, if you want to defend a man who has presided over the worst span of Packer football in 20 years while running the man who took Green Bay back to national prominence out of town then by all means do so, you will look quite foolish doing so, to me anyway. What about Thompson's Kool-Aid is so tasty that fans like you can't resist it? Is it his remarkable 31-33 record since taking over as GM? Was it his bumbling of the situation with Favre that made you a believer? Was it last years 7 game backslide? I need to know what it is that makes people blindly defend the man, it's quite interesting to me. Ted Thompson has one more year left in Green Bay, then hopefully after this years 7-9 campaign the Board of Directors will come to their senses and fire this horrible GM who has tainted the good name of this organization.Are you Packerarcher? Becuase your posts sound almost identical. ANd again you have no evidence he ran Brett out of town. Brett RETIRED, remember? He quit. The Packers moved on. But you keep living in your assinine world of denial.

[cpk1994]

Grow up or leave.
:roll: :roll: :roll:Hi kettle? This is Pot calling. :roll:

[gex]

Thompson is a terrible GM, if you want to defend a man who has presided over the worst span of Packer football in 20 years while running the man who took Green Bay back to national prominence out of town then by all means do so, you will look quite foolish doing so, to me anyway. What about Thompson's Kool-Aid is so tasty that fans like you can't resist it? Is it his remarkable 31-33 record since taking over as GM? Was it his bumbling of the situation with Favre that made you a believer? Was it last years 7 game backslide? I need to know what it is that makes people blindly defend the man, it's quite interesting to me. Ted Thompson has one more year left in Green Bay, then hopefully after this years 7-9 campaign the Board of Directors will come to their senses and fire this horrible GM who has tainted the good name of this organization.

Ted is an asshat and a weasel and untill he is gone Packer Nation will be divided.
Plain truth, the healing will start as soon as he is gone, because so many Packer faithfull do not trust him

[cpk1994]

And your other post about TT wanting Rodgers to be his man and push Favre out has no evidence. Rodgers was drafted becuase Favre was starting to waver about p,aying. Favre's indecision coupled with Rodgers falling into their lap made the pick happen. Inother words, your theory is complete bullshit.


Thats your opinion and I'll respect it but I truely don't think we'll ever hear the whole story with everything. I really think there is more to it and unless Favre someday writes a book, or feels slighted even more by the Packers, we won't ever know what truely happened since TT was named GM of the Packers... just my two cents

(oh and don't say I don't have any evidence.. I realize that, I just have my feelings on the matter.)ANd since Favre has already proven to be a liar, any book he writes will hardly be credible.

[Cornholio]

Thompson is a terrible GM, if you want to defend a man who has presided over the worst span of Packer football in 20 years while running the man who took Green Bay back to national prominence out of town then by all means do so, you will look quite foolish doing so, to me anyway. What about Thompson's Kool-Aid is so tasty that fans like you can't resist it? Is it his remarkable 31-33 record since taking over as GM? Was it his bumbling of the situation with Favre that made you a believer? Was it last years 7 game backslide? I need to know what it is that makes people blindly defend the man, it's quite interesting to me. Ted Thompson has one more year left in Green Bay, then hopefully after this years 7-9 campaign the Board of Directors will come to their senses and fire this horrible GM who has tainted the good name of this organization.Are you Packerarcher? Becuase your posts sound almost identical. ANd again you have no evidence he ran Brett out of town. Brett RETIRED, remember? He quit. The Packers moved on. But you keep living in your assinine world of denial.

Hahaha, you make no points whatsoever in your posts. If you want to keep drinking your Ted Thompson approved Kool-Aid and believe that he didn't run Favre out of town by all means keep drinking my friend. Keep living in your world of believing that this years team will do better than last years and keep believing that Rodgers will take the Packers to the level that Favre had them at. Wow, that Kool-Aid must take great.

[cpk1994]

Thompson is a terrible GM, if you want to defend a man who has presided over the worst span of Packer football in 20 years while running the man who took Green Bay back to national prominence out of town then by all means do so, you will look quite foolish doing so, to me anyway. What about Thompson's Kool-Aid is so tasty that fans like you can't resist it? Is it his remarkable 31-33 record since taking over as GM? Was it his bumbling of the situation with Favre that made you a believer? Was it last years 7 game backslide? I need to know what it is that makes people blindly defend the man, it's quite interesting to me. Ted Thompson has one more year left in Green Bay, then hopefully after this years 7-9 campaign the Board of Directors will come to their senses and fire this horrible GM who has tainted the good name of this organization.Are you Packerarcher? Becuase your posts sound almost identical. ANd again you have no evidence he ran Brett out of town. Brett RETIRED, remember? He quit. The Packers moved on. But you keep living in your assinine world of denial.

Hahaha, you make no points whatsoever in your posts. If you want to keep drinking your Ted Thompson approved Kool-Aid and believe that he didn't run Favre out of town by all means keep drinking my friend. Keep living in your world of believing that this years team will do better than last years and keep believing that Rodgers will take the Packers to the level that Favre had them at. Wow, that Kool-Aid must take great.ITs very obivous you refuse to see reality. You remind me of a poster over at Sportsbubbler. IT is the exact same bullshit drivel that person spews.

[Cornholio]

Thompson is a terrible GM, if you want to defend a man who has presided over the worst span of Packer football in 20 years while running the man who took Green Bay back to national prominence out of town then by all means do so, you will look quite foolish doing so, to me anyway. What about Thompson's Kool-Aid is so tasty that fans like you can't resist it? Is it his remarkable 31-33 record since taking over as GM? Was it his bumbling of the situation with Favre that made you a believer? Was it last years 7 game backslide? I need to know what it is that makes people blindly defend the man, it's quite interesting to me. Ted Thompson has one more year left in Green Bay, then hopefully after this years 7-9 campaign the Board of Directors will come to their senses and fire this horrible GM who has tainted the good name of this organization.Are you Packerarcher? Becuase your posts sound almost identical. ANd again you have no evidence he ran Brett out of town. Brett RETIRED, remember? He quit. The Packers moved on. But you keep living in your assinine world of denial.

Hahaha, you make no points whatsoever in your posts. If you want to keep drinking your Ted Thompson approved Kool-Aid and believe that he didn't run Favre out of town by all means keep drinking my friend. Keep living in your world of believing that this years team will do better than last years and keep believing that Rodgers will take the Packers to the level that Favre had them at. Wow, that Kool-Aid must take great.ITs very obivous you refuse to see reality. You remind me of a poster over at Sportsbubbler. IT is the exact same bullshit drivel that person spews.


You seem like a very angry man, maybe that Thompson approved Koo-Aid you keep drinking has some alcohol in it. You seem very,very angry that Favre wants to keep on playing, despite the fact that he was traded from Green Bay. Should he only play for teams that are approved of by both Ted Thompson and Packer fans?

[cpk1994]

Thompson is a terrible GM, if you want to defend a man who has presided over the worst span of Packer football in 20 years while running the man who took Green Bay back to national prominence out of town then by all means do so, you will look quite foolish doing so, to me anyway. What about Thompson's Kool-Aid is so tasty that fans like you can't resist it? Is it his remarkable 31-33 record since taking over as GM? Was it his bumbling of the situation with Favre that made you a believer? Was it last years 7 game backslide? I need to know what it is that makes people blindly defend the man, it's quite interesting to me. Ted Thompson has one more year left in Green Bay, then hopefully after this years 7-9 campaign the Board of Directors will come to their senses and fire this horrible GM who has tainted the good name of this organization.Are you Packerarcher? Becuase your posts sound almost identical. ANd again you have no evidence he ran Brett out of town. Brett RETIRED, remember? He quit. The Packers moved on. But you keep living in your assinine world of denial.

Hahaha, you make no points whatsoever in your posts. If you want to keep drinking your Ted Thompson approved Kool-Aid and believe that he didn't run Favre out of town by all means keep drinking my friend. Keep living in your world of believing that this years team will do better than last years and keep believing that Rodgers will take the Packers to the level that Favre had them at. Wow, that Kool-Aid must take great.ITs very obivous you refuse to see reality. You remind me of a poster over at Sportsbubbler. IT is the exact same bullshit drivel that person spews.


You seem like a very angry man, maybe that Thompson approved Koo-Aid you keep drinking has some alcohol in it. You seem very,very angry that Favre wants to keep on playing, despite the fact that he was traded from Green Bay. Should he only play for teams that are approved of by both Ted Thompson and Packer fans?I have no problem with Favre playing. What I have is people like you making accusations about about Packers Management without a shred of evidence. All you havae been spewing is bullshit wwith no facts.

[Cornholio]

Keep drinking that Kool-Aid my friend. If you can't see that Thompson has taken this team back to what they were in the 80's then you can't be helped. Green Bay makes the playoffs 12 times in the 16 years prior to Thompson's arrival, including 4 straight. Since he arrived they have missed the playoffs 3 times in 4 years and are well on their way to making it 4 times in 5 years. How can you possibly keep defending this hack of a GM?

[Scott Campbell]

Thompson is a terrible GM, if you want to defend a man who has presided over the worst span of Packer football in 20 years while running the man who took Green Bay back to national prominence out of town then by all means do so, you will look quite foolish doing so, to me anyway. What about Thompson's Kool-Aid is so tasty that fans like you can't resist it? Is it his remarkable 31-33 record since taking over as GM? Was it his bumbling of the situation with Favre that made you a believer? Was it last years 7 game backslide? I need to know what it is that makes people blindly defend the man, it's quite interesting to me. Ted Thompson has one more year left in Green Bay, then hopefully after this years 7-9 campaign the Board of Directors will come to their senses and fire this horrible GM who has tainted the good name of this organization.

Ted is an asshat and a weasel and untill he is gone Packer Nation will be divided.
Plain truth, the healing will start as soon as he is gone, because so many Packer faithfull do not trust him


I think you're right about some people not trusting Ted. But I also think just as many don't trust Brett Favre/Bus Cook. And just as many think Brett/Bus is an asshat and a weasel. The difference is, Ted never enjoyed Brett's astronomical approval rating.

[Cornholio]

He never will enjoy Favre's approval rating, this is the man's last year. Unless a miracle happens and the Packers somehow become the exact opposite of what they were last year(which is highly unlikely) he is going to be thrown out of town at season's end.

[Scott Campbell]

He never will enjoy Favre's approval rating, this is the man's last year. Unless a miracle happens and the Packers somehow become the exact opposite of what they were last year(which is highly unlikely) he is going to be thrown out of town at season's end.


Just remember this. When you wake up tomorrow, Ted will still be the GM of this team. And Brett will be anywhere but part of the Green Bay Packers.

Suck on that.

[ThunderDan]

TT wanting Rodgers to be his man and push Favre out has no evidence.

And yet that is pretty much what happened 8-)





. In other words, your theory is complete bullshit.
Grow up or leave.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Why wait until year 4 of Rodgers career? After his first year the Pack went 4-12. If ever there was a reason to change QBs that would have been it. Instead they wait 2 more full years and then Brett retires. And only at that point does AR get promised the gig.

If TT really wanted Favre out it would have been after 2005.

[The Shadow]

tank again?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

lol, by security....lol at image

yeah, thats in the layman's world

pro sports is different....i think...millionaires playn childs game!

Listen up you ignorant house n*gger, it is children playing a billionaires game.

[cpk1994]

tank again?I say no becuase there is no homosexuality in any of the posts.

[cpk1994]

TT wanting Rodgers to be his man and push Favre out has no evidence.

And yet that is pretty much what happened 8-)





. In other words, your theory is complete bullshit.
Grow up or leave.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Why wait until year 4 of Rodgers career? After his first year the Pack went 4-12. If ever there was a reason to change QBs that would have been it. Instead they wait 2 more full years and then Brett retires. And only at that point does AR get promised the gig.

If TT really wanted Favre out it would have been after 2005.Well put!

[LL2]

Brett Favre is the NFL's #1 diva! Wow! Higher than Ocho Cinco and TO!

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/pgStory?contentId=9667026#sport=NFL&photo=9668818

[ThunderDan]

Thompson is a terrible GM, if you want to defend a man who has presided over the worst span of Packer football in 20 years while running the man who took Green Bay back to national prominence out of town then by all means do so, you will look quite foolish doing so, to me anyway. What about Thompson's Kool-Aid is so tasty that fans like you can't resist it? Is it his remarkable 31-33 record since taking over as GM? Was it his bumbling of the situation with Favre that made you a believer? Was it last years 7 game backslide? I need to know what it is that makes people blindly defend the man, it's quite interesting to me. Ted Thompson has one more year left in Green Bay, then hopefully after this years 7-9 campaign the Board of Directors will come to their senses and fire this horrible GM who has tainted the good name of this organization.

Why don't you make up more statistics to support your point?!?

GB Packers 88-91 under Infante were 24-40. But don't let facts stop your rant.

[Fritz]

He's #1! He's #1!

I am on record as hoping that Favre will play again this year, then retire, then un-retire. Some TV producer needs to get wise to all this and sign Favre up for a reality TV show.

It's got possibilities. You could set up some cameras in the Favre household, and then cut to the headquarters of whichever team he's thinking of coming back to play for. You could interview different doctors who've treated Favre in the past. You could really get into that small-town southern culture.

We get to accompany Brett on his visit to the doctor, listen in as he drives his SUV and talks with Deanna about whether he wants to play, or whether he wants to be home to watch the kids grow up.

We could see interviews with the oldest daughter, watch her get taunted by classmates (I think she's almost in college? Or is now?) because her Dad can't make up his mind. We see her break down, crying, and watch Brett's brother Scott blaming TT for the girl's suffering.

This could be bigger than the Osbournes.

[MJZiggy]

Thompson is a terrible GM, if you want to defend a man who has presided over the worst span of Packer football in 20 years while running the man who took Green Bay back to national prominence out of town then by all means do so, you will look quite foolish doing so, to me anyway. What about Thompson's Kool-Aid is so tasty that fans like you can't resist it? Is it his remarkable 31-33 record since taking over as GM? Was it his bumbling of the situation with Favre that made you a believer? Was it last years 7 game backslide? I need to know what it is that makes people blindly defend the man, it's quite interesting to me. Ted Thompson has one more year left in Green Bay, then hopefully after this years 7-9 campaign the Board of Directors will come to their senses and fire this horrible GM who has tainted the good name of this organization.

Why don't you make up more statistics to support your point?!?

GB Packers 88-91 under Infante were 24-40. But don't let facts stop your rant.

Look at it this way, TD, As a GM, you don't look at what happened 10 years ago (Favre singlehandedly bringing the franchise back without any help from his line, receivers, kickass special teams--who was the SB MVP again?--or amazing defense), you look to what is going to make your team stronger for the NEXT 10 years. And I would ask, if the GM is responsible for the 10 game backslide, he's also responsible for the record you backslid FROM. Ted Thompson got his team to one interception from the SuperBowl. He was named Exec of the Year and is most certainly not on the hot seat now. I suggest you get used to his presence because even if you whine yourself blue in the face (which may have already happened for all I know), he will still be there.

[Fritz]

I still think Ted gets two more seasons. If they play well, he might get an extension if he wants one. If they totally blow, well, he might be out the door after season two.

Unless he can pull a Matt Millen and buy a few more years by firing the coach.

I think Thompson is excellent at his job and I believe he will succeed in getting this team deep into the playoffs in his next two years.

[ThunderDan]

Thompson is a terrible GM, if you want to defend a man who has presided over the worst span of Packer football in 20 years while running the man who took Green Bay back to national prominence out of town then by all means do so, you will look quite foolish doing so, to me anyway. What about Thompson's Kool-Aid is so tasty that fans like you can't resist it? Is it his remarkable 31-33 record since taking over as GM? Was it his bumbling of the situation with Favre that made you a believer? Was it last years 7 game backslide? I need to know what it is that makes people blindly defend the man, it's quite interesting to me. Ted Thompson has one more year left in Green Bay, then hopefully after this years 7-9 campaign the Board of Directors will come to their senses and fire this horrible GM who has tainted the good name of this organization.

Why don't you make up more statistics to support your point?!?

GB Packers 88-91 under Infante were 24-40. But don't let facts stop your rant.

Look at it this way, TD, As a GM, you don't look at what happened 10 years ago (Favre singlehandedly bringing the franchise back without any help from his line, receivers, kickass special teams--who was the SB MVP again?--or amazing defense), you look to what is going to make your team stronger for the NEXT 10 years. And I would ask, if the GM is responsible for the 10 game backslide, he's also responsible for the record you backslid FROM. Ted Thompson got his team to one interception from the SuperBowl. He was named Exec of the Year and is most certainly not on the hot seat now. I suggest you get used to his presence because even if you whine yourself blue in the face (which may have already happened for all I know), he will still be there.

Huh...what did I do to you???

Cornbaby said TT was the worst GM in the last 20 years. Yet from 88-91 we had a worse record so TT isn't the worst GM recordwise.

I would also add that if you look at the level of the talent at the bottom of our roster today it is much better than four years ago. Other NFL teams are raiding our practice squad and signing GB cuts after training camp.

[Chevelle2]

Not sure how reliable this is...

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/48006597.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiU9PmP:QiUiD3aPc:_Yyc: aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr


Yes, this is it: If Favre is willing to sign a contract with an option that will determine his pay based on how he performs and how much he plays, the Wilf family will go all out to add Favre to the team.

[MJZiggy]

Thompson is a terrible GM, if you want to defend a man who has presided over the worst span of Packer football in 20 years while running the man who took Green Bay back to national prominence out of town then by all means do so, you will look quite foolish doing so, to me anyway. What about Thompson's Kool-Aid is so tasty that fans like you can't resist it? Is it his remarkable 31-33 record since taking over as GM? Was it his bumbling of the situation with Favre that made you a believer? Was it last years 7 game backslide? I need to know what it is that makes people blindly defend the man, it's quite interesting to me. Ted Thompson has one more year left in Green Bay, then hopefully after this years 7-9 campaign the Board of Directors will come to their senses and fire this horrible GM who has tainted the good name of this organization.

Why don't you make up more statistics to support your point?!?

GB Packers 88-91 under Infante were 24-40. But don't let facts stop your rant.

Look at it this way, TD, As a GM, you don't look at what happened 10 years ago (Favre singlehandedly bringing the franchise back without any help from his line, receivers, kickass special teams--who was the SB MVP again?--or amazing defense), you look to what is going to make your team stronger for the NEXT 10 years. And I would ask, if the GM is responsible for the 10 game backslide, he's also responsible for the record you backslid FROM. Ted Thompson got his team to one interception from the SuperBowl. He was named Exec of the Year and is most certainly not on the hot seat now. I suggest you get used to his presence because even if you whine yourself blue in the face (which may have already happened for all I know), he will still be there.

Huh...what did I do to you???

Cornbaby said TT was the worst GM in the last 20 years. Yet from 88-91 we had a worse record so TT isn't the worst GM recordwise.

I would also add that if you look at the level of the talent at the bottom of our roster today it is much better than four years ago. Other NFL teams are raiding our practice squad and signing GB cuts after training camp.

Sorry TD, I was trying to further your argument, not argue against it. Probably should have cut your post out and responded directly to the nuttiness that preceded it.

[pbmax]

Not sure how reliable this is...

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/48006597.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiU9PmP:QiUiD3aPc:_Yyc: aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr


Yes, this is it: If Favre is willing to sign a contract with an option that will determine his pay based on how he performs and how much he plays, the Wilf family will go all out to add Favre to the team.
Florio at PFT makes a good point that the market for Favre might have been set by Matt Cassell $14 million and change for one year and McNabb, two years left $12 million and change.

Incentives, weekly roster bonuses or not, its going to be expensive.

[Gunakor]

As I have said MANY times before Brett owes Green Bay nothing. The GB org is the one that took a shit on him. So if you are going to talk loyalty it should go BOTH ways. Why shouldn't he go to the Vikes,they offer him the best chance at another SB.

I absolutely agree with the sentiment that loyalty should go both ways. I also believe that it did. Favre played here for 16 seasons. No player will play in one spot for a decade and a half if the team he plays for shows no loyalty. Brett owes Green Bay nothing, I agree. Also, Green Bay owes Brett nothing. They left on even terms. Brett gave the Packers 16 outstanding seasons, and the Packers provided great teammates, a great work environment, a myriad of postseason opportunities, enough money for he and his entire family to be set for life, etc. It's a wash as far as who owes who.

You imply that the Packers took a shit on Favre because they didn't just give him his job back after he had given it up. If it were anybody else besides Brett Favre, would you feel the same way? Say Chad Clifton announced his retirement today, and then in a month said he changed his mind. Yet when he came back, he was told that Daryn Colledge was the starting LT, and we didn't have any room for him anymore. Would you consider that to be the Packers taking a shit on Chad Clifton? Or would you consider that the normal business procedure following a player's retirement?

clifton to favre = apples to frickn oranges

yes favre DID deserve special treatment like MANY superstars before and after..they EARN it by frickn PRODUCING...there's a thousand cliftons to every 10 lord favres like there's a thousand TTs to every 1 "my brett" LOL

not rocket science....

So Favre earned his right to be placed above the team?

Fuck him. Nobody deserves any more special treatement than the guy who occupies the locker next to his. In football, NOBODY can do their job effectively unless their teammates are doing the same. Part of the reason Favre's career looks so fucking phenomenal is because his teammates were very good at what they did as well. Or do you honestly believe that Favre did everything himself for 16 years?

Thank you for answering my question honestly though.

[Gunakor]

Ted Thompson did nothing wrong? Come on now, don't fool yourself. Thompson wanted his man that he drafted to be the starting QB and the minute that Favre said he was "retired" there wasn't a snowballs chance in hell of Thompson letting him comeback. What Thompson and the organization as a whole did wrong in this situation is trying to tell Favre that while they didn't want him playing in Green Bay anymore, they didn't want him playing anywhere else either. That's just a ridiculously absurd thing to try to do. Saying Favre is sticking it to the organization that made him is just ridiculous as well. Let's look at where the Packers were before Favre came. Favre not only revived this organization, it's because of his star power and broad appeal that the Packers have routinely been in the top 5 revenue producing teams in the NFL. It's also the reason why they got to be on Monday Night Football 3 times a year. Without Favre, Reggie White would have never come to Green Bay. Favre's tenure brought the best winning % in the NFL over his 16 season here, for fans to turn on the man just because he wants to continue playing is just plain stupid.

They didn't tell him they didn't want him playing anywhere. Please provide a source that says they told him that. I'd love to read it. What they said was that they didn't want him playing in Minnesota.

Favre didn't restore the Packers. The Packers restoration to greatness started in 1989 with Don Majkowski and Sterling Sharpe. Do a little research. Then, RON WOLF came and completed the puzzle. He brought in guys like Sean Jones, Reggie White, Keith Jackson, and yes, Brett Favre. Favre wasn't the one who put that puzzle together. The restoration of the franchise to greatness does not get credited to Favre alone. Not by a long shot. He had his role, and performed well in it, but he was not the architect that built a contender. Christ, you as well make it sound like Brett did everything by himself for 16 years.

Fans did not turn on him just because he wants to keep playing. Fans turned on him after Greta. Fans turned on him after Peter King. Fans continue to turn on him because he wants to play for the Vikings. You obviously have little idea why people are upset if you think it's simply that he wants to keep playing. I and many others have been very clear about that over the last couple of weeks and months. There's a good place to start to better your understanding of WHY we feel the way we do.

[falco]

I hate Michael Irvin, but he makes a lot of sense on this one:


“I love Favre and I think he’s been a phenomenal talent for a long time,” Irvin said. “But when I think about it now, I say, ‘Stop it already.’ I don’t mind that you still want to play football, but do you want to play so much, and you want to get back at [Green Bay General Manager] Ted Thompson so much, that you’re willing to go back into Lambeau and hurt those fans that supported you for so long?”

Sums up exactly how I feel. I couldn't care less if Favre wanted to play somewhere else, I would even cheer for him to win a superbowl. But the way he handled his business last summer and the fact now that he is out to get revenge on the Packers, he can get bent.

And for those who want to say that Favre isn't motivated by revenge, you're delirious, he's said as much himself already.

[Pacopete4]

Ted Thompson did nothing wrong? Come on now, don't fool yourself. Thompson wanted his man that he drafted to be the starting QB and the minute that Favre said he was "retired" there wasn't a snowballs chance in hell of Thompson letting him comeback. What Thompson and the organization as a whole did wrong in this situation is trying to tell Favre that while they didn't want him playing in Green Bay anymore, they didn't want him playing anywhere else either. That's just a ridiculously absurd thing to try to do. Saying Favre is sticking it to the organization that made him is just ridiculous as well. Let's look at where the Packers were before Favre came. Favre not only revived this organization, it's because of his star power and broad appeal that the Packers have routinely been in the top 5 revenue producing teams in the NFL. It's also the reason why they got to be on Monday Night Football 3 times a year. Without Favre, Reggie White would have never come to Green Bay. Favre's tenure brought the best winning % in the NFL over his 16 season here, for fans to turn on the man just because he wants to continue playing is just plain stupid.

They didn't tell him they didn't want him playing anywhere. Please provide a source that says they told him that. I'd love to read it. What they said was that they didn't want him playing in Minnesota.

Favre didn't restore the Packers. The Packers restoration to greatness started in 1989 with Don Majkowski and Sterling Sharpe. Do a little research. Then, RON WOLF came and completed the puzzle. He brought in guys like Sean Jones, Reggie White, Keith Jackson, and yes, Brett Favre. Favre wasn't the one who put that puzzle together. The restoration of the franchise to greatness does not get credited to Favre alone. Not by a long shot. He had his role, and performed well in it, but he was not the architect that built a contender. Christ, you as well make it sound like Brett did everything by himself for 16 years.

Fans did not turn on him just because he wants to keep playing. Fans turned on him after Greta. Fans turned on him after Peter King. Fans continue to turn on him because he wants to play for the Vikings. You obviously have little idea why people are upset if you think it's simply that he wants to keep playing. I and many others have been very clear about that over the last couple of weeks and months. There's a good place to start to better your understanding of WHY we feel the way we do.


my god you're a homo... its a football GAME, he is just going to be another player on a different team... all you do here is talk about how Brett Favre is hurting your feelings.. such a fuckin women

[Scott Campbell]

my god you're a homo... its a football GAME, he is just going to be another player on a different team... all you do here is talk about how Brett Favre is hurting your feelings.. such a fuckin women


Women? As in plural? And a homo? So are you saying he's lesbians?

[MJZiggy]

Settle down Bretsky.

And Paco, how can you not realize that the Vikings are not just another team. While it's a football GAME, it's also a billion dollar a year BUSINESS and, in Green Bay, a large part of that town's IDENTITY. No other place in the league has fans like that and with the amount of energy that town puts into the team, they have cause to be offended. What other team in the league sells out a scrimmage game. What other team has anyone even ATTEND a scrimmage game. I'm tired of your line of BS. Maybe your view is how things are in New York or San Francisco, but NOT how they are in Green Bay, Wisconsin.

[Pacopete4]

Settle down Bretsky.

And Paco, how can you not realize that the Vikings are not just another team. While it's a football GAME, it's also a billion dollar a year BUSINESS and, in Green Bay, a large part of that town's IDENTITY. No other place in the league has fans like that and with the amount of energy that town puts into the team, they have cause to be offended. What other team in the league sells out a scrimmage game. What other team has anyone even ATTEND a scrimmage game. I'm tired of your line of BS. Maybe your view is how things are in New York or San Francisco, but NOT how they are in Green Bay, Wisconsin.



:violin:

[Partial]

I bet a lot of teams sell out scrimmage games. I also think the crowds at the games are kinda lame in GB to be honest. Too quiet. They are definitely a huge part of the local economy and culture of Wisconsin, though.

[MJZiggy]

P, they TELEVISE our scrimmage games nationally. Do you turn the sound off or something? The announcers spend the whole game astounded at the turnout for a SCRIMMAGE game, "it's just like a practice and here the fans are!" "Right, but the fans show up at all the practices that are open.

I live within spitting distance of TWO NFL franchises (one with a rather rabid fan base) and I can tell you that this kind of fan participation is not seen here. There are just too many other options for people what with all the baseball teams, basketball, soccer, etc., etc., ad nauseum.

[Partial]

P, they TELEVISE our scrimmage games nationally. Do you turn the sound off or something? The announcers spend the whole game astounded at the turnout for a SCRIMMAGE game, "it's just like a practice and here the fans are!" "Right, but the fans show up at all the practices that are open.

I live within spitting distance of TWO NFL franchises (one with a rather rabid fan base) and I can tell you that this kind of fan participation is not seen here. There are just too many other options for people what with all the baseball teams, basketball, soccer, etc., etc., ad nauseum.

They don't televise them nationally. The televise family night locally. It's an entire family fest weekend. It's a lot more than just a scrimmage.

I personally prefer the atmosphere and dedication of fans to the college game. I enjoy Badger games more than a Packer game, for example.

[Chevelle2]

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watchdog/blog/2009/06/brett_favre_to_guest_on_joe_bu.html


HBO announced Brett Favre has joined the roster of guests for the debut episode of "Joe Buck Live" Monday night.

[Pacopete4]

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watchdog/blog/2009/06/brett_favre_to_guest_on_joe_bu.html


HBO announced Brett Favre has joined the roster of guests for the debut episode of "Joe Buck Live" Monday night.


this may be interesting... haha

[falco]

It seems to me that there are a number of posters here who just attempt to be contradictory, rather than ever express a legitimate opinion.

[falco]

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watchdog/blog/2009/06/brett_favre_to_guest_on_joe_bu.html


HBO announced Brett Favre has joined the roster of guests for the debut episode of "Joe Buck Live" Monday night.


this may be interesting... haha

It may, but also seems like Favre has gotten a kick at times out of showing up and saying nothing. Remember the press conference for his golf outing where he simply said "I have nothing to say" and claimed he didn't know where the story came from?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

It seems to me that there are a number of posters here who just attempt to be contradictory, rather than ever express a legitimate opinion.

Wrong!

[falco]

It seems to me that there are a number of posters here who just attempt to be contradictory, rather than ever express a legitimate opinion.

Wrong!

Drat! Bested again.

[MJZiggy]

P, they TELEVISE our scrimmage games nationally. Do you turn the sound off or something? The announcers spend the whole game astounded at the turnout for a SCRIMMAGE game, "it's just like a practice and here the fans are!" "Right, but the fans show up at all the practices that are open.

I live within spitting distance of TWO NFL franchises (one with a rather rabid fan base) and I can tell you that this kind of fan participation is not seen here. There are just too many other options for people what with all the baseball teams, basketball, soccer, etc., etc., ad nauseum.

They don't televise them nationally. The televise family night locally. It's an entire family fest weekend. It's a lot more than just a scrimmage.

I personally prefer the atmosphere and dedication of fans to the college game. I enjoy Badger games more than a Packer game, for example.

Bullshit, I watch it every year. I don't live in Green Bay, dear. It sells out and the announcers positively rave over the crowd and the fans--for good reason. Do NOT try to downplay that with me as it will never work. I see this team from a different perspective than you do. Go to practice in Chicago once and try to weave your way through the crowd and bring me back the photos. This team is Green Bay's team and the relationship between the fans and that team is unique in the league.

[pbmax]

P, they TELEVISE our scrimmage games nationally.

They don't televise them nationally. The televise family night locally. It's an entire family fest weekend. It's a lot more than just a scrimmage.

Bullshit, I watch it every year. I don't live in Green Bay, dear.
In lieu of Patlerized, can you Ziggized?

I think the NFL Network carried it last year.

Also remember, the Redskins phantom season ticket waiting list (at times listed at 200,000) is phony. For this year's tickets, they have been mailing people NOT on the list to buy partial season packages. Whatever number the Packers give seems real to me, every year I move up about 12 places. :lol:

[pbmax]

Favre is going on TV Monday night with Joe Buck. I don't think I can watch. And it won't be Favre that presents the problem. Its Buck's new show on HBO.

Greta Loses Out to a Baseball Guy (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/06/14/favre-will-talk-to-joe-buck/)

[Scott Campbell]

Look at the way the light just glistens off his helmet.

[cpk1994]

P, they TELEVISE our scrimmage games nationally. Do you turn the sound off or something? The announcers spend the whole game astounded at the turnout for a SCRIMMAGE game, "it's just like a practice and here the fans are!" "Right, but the fans show up at all the practices that are open.

I live within spitting distance of TWO NFL franchises (one with a rather rabid fan base) and I can tell you that this kind of fan participation is not seen here. There are just too many other options for people what with all the baseball teams, basketball, soccer, etc., etc., ad nauseum.

They don't televise them nationally. The televise family night locally. It's an entire family fest weekend. It's a lot more than just a scrimmage.

I personally prefer the atmosphere and dedication of fans to the college game. I enjoy Badger games more than a Packer game, for example.It WAS televised nationally in the past. Don't be an ass.

[Deputy Nutz]

Thompson is a terrible GM, if you want to defend a man who has presided over the worst span of Packer football in 20 years while running the man who took Green Bay back to national prominence out of town then by all means do so, you will look quite foolish doing so, to me anyway. What about Thompson's Kool-Aid is so tasty that fans like you can't resist it? Is it his remarkable 31-33 record since taking over as GM? Was it his bumbling of the situation with Favre that made you a believer? Was it last years 7 game backslide? I need to know what it is that makes people blindly defend the man, it's quite interesting to me. Ted Thompson has one more year left in Green Bay, then hopefully after this years 7-9 campaign the Board of Directors will come to their senses and fire this horrible GM who has tainted the good name of this organization.

Why don't you make up more statistics to support your point?!?

GB Packers 88-91 under Infante were 24-40. But don't let facts stop your rant.

Look at it this way, TD, As a GM, you don't look at what happened 10 years ago (Favre singlehandedly bringing the franchise back without any help from his line, receivers, kickass special teams--who was the SB MVP again?--or amazing defense), you look to what is going to make your team stronger for the NEXT 10 years. And I would ask, if the GM is responsible for the 10 game backslide, he's also responsible for the record you backslid FROM. Ted Thompson got his team to one interception from the SuperBowl. He was named Exec of the Year and is most certainly not on the hot seat now. I suggest you get used to his presence because even if you whine yourself blue in the face (which may have already happened for all I know), he will still be there.

Ron Wolf Mike Holmgren, Brett Favre, and Reggie White. Ron Wolf hired Mike Holmgren, trade a number one draft pick for Favre.

Favre plays game against a Philly with Reggie White in 1992. Favre seperates his left shoulder after taking a crushing hit from Reggie White. White thinks Favre is done. Next series Favre comes running back on the field to lead the Packers back to win the game in the second half. Reggie is astounded by the heart and leadership of a young Favre.

White is free agent in 2003, he can chose to go any where he wants for any amount of money. Wolf offers White 17 million dollars. He chooses Green Bay, because of God, and the money, but also he realized he had a QB on his team that could take this team further than he had ever been in the playoffs.

White starts slowly recruiting defensive players to come to Green Bay, Sean Jones, Santana Dotson, and Keith Jackson on offense.

The best player on offense that Favre ever played with was Sterling Sharpe. He was lost in 1995 before the Packers ever made the Super Bowl, was never on a team that went to an NFC Championship game. Favre had a pretty ordinary offensive line in the 1990s the only Pro Bowl linemen was Frank Winters, and I think he was an alternate. Ziggy, without looking it up(which you will) name the starting left tackle in the 1996 Super Bowl for the Packers.

How many pro bowls did any running back, tight end, wide receiver make after playing with Favre?

Ron Wolf was a fantastic GM, but he had his misses in the draft especially in early rounds, but he made up for it in later rounds and he did a fantastic job of acquiring veterans to blend with younger players. Wolf wasn't afraid once his roster was solidified to go after those one or two players that put the team over the top. Keith Jackson, Dotson, Eugene Robinson, Sean Jones, and Ahman Green.

Mike Homgren, biggest accomplishement was taking Favre and turning him into a three time MVP. Next was being one of the best head coaches of his time, excellent with his hiring of coaches, especially on defense. West Coast genius. Cost the Packers in 1997 another Super Bowl, with is underhanding pleading for a Job as a GM and Head coach for a team on the West Coast. Lost focus on winning the second Super Bowl. Lost focus on his 1998 team.

I will never say that Favre did it all himself. I don't think the Packers win a Super Bowl play for another one, and make four NFC Championship games without Brett Favre.

[HarveyWallbangers]

It WAS televised nationally in the past. Don't be an ass.

Agreed. NFL Network is national, and they've covered it the last few years. I've been able to watch.

[Deputy Nutz]

It WAS televised nationally in the past. Don't be an ass.

Agreed. NFL Network is national, and they've covered it the last few years. I've been able to watch.

Was it live? Because if it wasn't live it doesn't count.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Was it live? Because if it wasn't live it doesn't count.

Yes. Well, at least one or two years. Last year, it might not have been. Actually, I think it was--because I remember watching Favre getting off the plane and all that.

[Chevelle2]

I hope this Buck interview is the funniest thing smokin.

[Deputy Nutz]

Was it live? Because if it wasn't live it doesn't count.

Yes. Well, at least one or two years. Last year, it might not have been. Actually, I think it was--because I remember watching Favre getting off the plane and all that.

So only because of Favre was it shown live. See, it all still revolves around Favre.

I was being sarcastic in the first place, but I think Green Bay fans have come to expect a lot over the past 15 years or so, and they don't get all that excited about 40 yard touchdown pass, or a 15 yard touchdown run. It usually takes a game winning drive with seconds left in the 4th quarter.

[th87]

For many of us, football in Wisconsin is the closest thing to religion, other than religion. So when someone who you thought would uphold your almost-religion goes to the almost-religion's worst enemy, it is understandable that there would be hard feelings.

And on the other hand, there are others who either see it as just entertainment, or is just a fan of a certain player. These people don't see why there would be hostility over an entertainment figure.

We need to try harder to see it from each other's perspectives.

[HarveyWallbangers]

So only because of Favre was it shown live.

Hard to say--since Favre was on the team through 2007 and he showed up during the game last year. I doubt it had to do with Favre because NFL Network had no way of knowing Favre would show up during the game when they scheduled it last year. I guess we'll know the answer soon enough--since Favre likely get off the plane while the scrimmage is going on this year.

[MJZiggy]

Ron Wolf Mike Holmgren, Brett Favre, and Reggie White. Ron Wolf hired Mike Holmgren, trade a number one draft pick for Favre.

Favre plays game against a Philly with Reggie White in 1992. Favre seperates his left shoulder after taking a crushing hit from Reggie White. White thinks Favre is done. Next series Favre comes running back on the field to lead the Packers back to win the game in the second half. Reggie is astounded by the heart and leadership of a young Favre.

White is free agent in 2003, he can chose to go any where he wants for any amount of money. Wolf offers White 17 million dollars. He chooses Green Bay, because of God, and the money, but also he realized he had a QB on his team that could take this team further than he had ever been in the playoffs.

White starts slowly recruiting defensive players to come to Green Bay, Sean Jones, Santana Dotson, and Keith Jackson on offense.

The best player on offense that Favre ever played with was Sterling Sharpe. He was lost in 1995 before the Packers ever made the Super Bowl, was never on a team that went to an NFC Championship game. Favre had a pretty ordinary offensive line in the 1990s the only Pro Bowl linemen was Frank Winters, and I think he was an alternate. Ziggy, without looking it up(which you will) name the starting left tackle in the 1996 Super Bowl for the Packers.

How many pro bowls did any running back, tight end, wide receiver make after playing with Favre?

Ron Wolf was a fantastic GM, but he had his misses in the draft especially in early rounds, but he made up for it in later rounds and he did a fantastic job of acquiring veterans to blend with younger players. Wolf wasn't afraid once his roster was solidified to go after those one or two players that put the team over the top. Keith Jackson, Dotson, Eugene Robinson, Sean Jones, and Ahman Green.

Mike Homgren, biggest accomplishement was taking Favre and turning him into a three time MVP. Next was being one of the best head coaches of his time, excellent with his hiring of coaches, especially on defense. West Coast genius. Cost the Packers in 1997 another Super Bowl, with is underhanding pleading for a Job as a GM and Head coach for a team on the West Coast. Lost focus on winning the second Super Bowl. Lost focus on his 1998 team.

I will never say that Favre did it all himself. I don't think the Packers win a Super Bowl play for another one, and make four NFC Championship games without Brett Favre.


[/quote]

You don't look at what happened 10 (geez, almost 15 years ago), you look at what will make your team better for the NEXT ten years. I bet they were saying the same thing when Starr and Lombardi left. We are already much better off than we were at that point, no? How do you know Raji isn't the next White? McCarthy/Capers the Holmgren combination (he didn't do it alone either and nearly got fired in Seattle, remember?)

Oh and the name of the left tackle doesn't matter. If he didn't do his job, Favre would have spent the game on his back and we'd have lost. Without question. Hell, without Desmond Howard, we'd likely have lost. Favre was not MVP of that game for a reason (that many so EASILY forget)

[Fritz]

I think Partial got "Ziggied" on the last page...

I have my own view of the Favre saga, and that colors what I'm about to say, but it does seem to me that the over-the-top Favre supporters are so rabid their "arguments" are easily deflated, and their responses then become either changing the subject or calling other people homos.

As for tonight, I don't get HBO, but I'm hoping to somehow, someway see the interview. It should be fun. My guess is that Favre will not talk about much except how his arm feels and how excited he is about maybe - and I'm guessing he'll be coy - maybe playing for the Vikings. He'll gush about that team, methinks. Keep it pretty bland.

[pbmax]

Ron Wolf Mike Holmgren, Brett Favre, and Reggie White. Ron Wolf hired Mike Holmgren, trade a number one draft pick for Favre...

Favre plays game against a Philly with Reggie White in 1992. Favre seperates his left shoulder after taking a crushing hit from Reggie White. White thinks Favre is done. Next series Favre comes running back on the field to lead the Packers back to win the game in the second half. Reggie is astounded by the heart and leadership of a young Favre...

I will never say that Favre did it all himself. I don't think the Packers win a Super Bowl play for another one, and make four NFC Championship games without Brett Favre.
I agree with much of Nutz's post, but I have three points.

1. Reggie really signed for the money. The story about leaving it in God's hands and Brett's leadership make for great copy, but they likely did not carry the argument. I think Reggie was genuinely impressed with Favre (mostly after but also before he signed). It was pointed out in Philly at the time of the signing that he would make similar comments about Randall Cunningham, trying to raise him to the level of a franchise leader. That it worked with Favre is a credit to Favre. Reggie gets enormous credit just for caring. He also gets credit for my favorite Holmgren story; when Reggie asked Mike if Andre Rison could address the team prior to a playoff game in 96. Even telling the story years later you can tell Holmgren was convinced Reggie had hit his head on something.

2. There are no more Reggies and Deions in FA. Look at the cap numbers for teams. 2/3 are under the cap enough that they need to do nothing to sign the remaining street guys and draft picks. 1/3 of the teams are so far under the cap they are using the money to sign NEXT year's contracts (Packers). And that is after FA is over. Players like Reggie and Deion don't make it there.

3. Earl Dotson and Aaron Taylor (before and after knee surgery) were better lineman than Frankie Bag o Doughnuts. Pro Bowl or not. So was Timmerman, though that is not exactly the timeline you are discussing exactly.

4. Ok I lied, its 4 things. The greatest strength of those Super Bowl teams was the defense. When the defense got old, it was over championship wise. And when the Defense struggled (versus Dallas, Minnesota at home and early 90s Lions home games) Favre tended to have forgettable games.

[Scott Campbell]

2. There are no more Reggies and Deions in FA. Look at the cap numbers for teams. 2/3 are under the cap enough that they need to do nothing to sign the remaining street guys and draft picks. 1/3 of the teams are so far under the cap they are using the money to sign NEXT year's contracts (Packers). And that is after FA is over. Players like Reggie and Deion don't make it there.


Some people will use Haynesworth as example of FA offerings, but guys with that kind of talent in todays market always have some kind of baggage that contributed to them being available. That's not to say that some of them won't work out. There just aren't the no brainer signings that Reggie was.

[GBRulz]

I hate Michael Irvin, but he makes a lot of sense on this one:


“I love Favre and I think he’s been a phenomenal talent for a long time,” Irvin said. “But when I think about it now, I say, ‘Stop it already.’ I don’t mind that you still want to play football, but do you want to play so much, and you want to get back at [Green Bay General Manager] Ted Thompson so much, that you’re willing to go back into Lambeau and hurt those fans that supported you for so long?”

Sums up exactly how I feel. I couldn't care less if Favre wanted to play somewhere else, I would even cheer for him to win a superbowl. But the way he handled his business last summer and the fact now that he is out to get revenge on the Packers, he can get bent.

And for those who want to say that Favre isn't motivated by revenge, you're delirious, he's said as much himself already.

I was really irritated when I read that statement about Irvin. The fact that I agree with that idiot on something just totally ruined my day!!

[pbmax]

2. There are no more Reggies and Deions in FA. Look at the cap numbers for teams. 2/3 are under the cap enough that they need to do nothing to sign the remaining street guys and draft picks. 1/3 of the teams are so far under the cap they are using the money to sign NEXT year's contracts (Packers). And that is after FA is over. Players like Reggie and Deion don't make it there.


Some people will use Haynesworth as example of FA offerings, but guys with that kind of talent in todays market always have some kind of baggage that contributed to them being available. That's not to say that some of them won't work out. There just aren't the no brainer signings that Reggie was.
Exactly. Albert is a huge question mark, just look at the track record of the team that signed him. Sensible organizations wanted no part of committing that kind of guaranteed money to him. The gamble might pay off, but there is a tremendous risk.

[GBRulz]

Was it live? Because if it wasn't live it doesn't count.

Yes. Well, at least one or two years. Last year, it might not have been. Actually, I think it was--because I remember watching Favre getting off the plane and all that.

Yup, it's been live since the NFLN started airing it in '05 when the Bills came to town. So, basically the first 10 years of this scrimmage were not televised nationally, only the previous four have been. Heck, the first 5 weren't televised period but then it grew more and more popular.

[Bossman641]

Here's the newest lie to be exposed from the Favre camp. Why people continue to think Favre is telling the truth on anything, or somehow got screwed over, is beyond me.

If you remember, TT and MM said that a few weeks after Brett retired he told them he wanted to come back. I think this is when they were set to fly back down there and talk to him about unretiring before he changed his mind days before they were set to meet.

After TT and MM said that, Favre went on Greta and said that the Packers were lying. He said that he had never called them about coming back.

Well, Bus Cook admitted over the weekend that Brett was set to unretire in late March but he conveniently leaves out the part about Brett backing out of it.


"Last summer ... we still don't know why, and nobody's every given us a reason why, the guy wanted to go back and play one more year and for some reason, they didn't want Brett back," Cook said of the Packers. "Within a few weeks of announcing his retirement, he told them 'I want to come back.' That just didn't happen, obviously.

Here's the timeline again if you want to catch up on everything.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080805/PKR01/80805191

[Pacopete4]

Here's the timeline again if you want to catch up on everything.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080805/PKR01/80805191


A timeline that does have the chance to be wrong... I mean hell, the Packers hired Ari Fleischer to deal with this crap.. maybe they in fact were lying? But then again.. maybe they are not. But to base your opinion on only what the Packers have said is not right either..

[Bossman641]

Here's the timeline again if you want to catch up on everything.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080805/PKR01/80805191


A timeline that does have the chance to be wrong... I mean hell, the Packers hired Ari Fleischer to deal with this crap.. maybe they in fact were lying? But then again.. maybe they are not. But to base your opinion on only what the Packers have said is not right either..

I would agree with your take if there were any instances where the Packers were proven to be wrong. The closest thing I'm aware of was the cell phone story, which the Packers let linger for a day or two before denying it.

There are multiple instances where Favre has been proven to be lying. Until the organization gives me any reason to not believe them, I will choose to believe that side of the story.

[cpk1994]

He also gets credit for my favorite Holmgren story; when Reggie asked Mike if Andre Rison could address the team prior to a playoff game in 96. Even telling the story years later you can tell Holmgren was convinced Reggie had hit his head on something.
I heard that story a little differently/. According to SI in their Jan 20, 1997 issue it was LeRoy Butler who asked Holmgren if Andre could speak to the team before the NFC Championship game:


Claimed off waivers by the Packers in the wake of their loss in Dallas, Rison had become more and more comfortable with his new teammates, whoi embraced him like a wayward stepbrother. Still, Mike Holmgren's jaw dropped when Butler came to him before the game against the Panthers and said, "Coach, let Andre talk. He's got the fire. Our young guys need to feel that"

Now, I'm not saying you are wrong, but this is the only account of Rison being asked to speak to the team I have seen.

[Fritz]

Here's the newest lie to be exposed from the Favre camp. Why people continue to think Favre is telling the truth on anything, or somehow got screwed over, is beyond me.

If you remember, TT and MM said that a few weeks after Brett retired he told them he wanted to come back. I think this is when they were set to fly back down there and talk to him about unretiring before he changed his mind days before they were set to meet.

After TT and MM said that, Favre went on Greta and said that the Packers were lying. He said that he had never called them about coming back.

Well, Bus Cook admitted over the weekend that Brett was set to unretire in late March but he conveniently leaves out the part about Brett backing out of it.


"Last summer ... we still don't know why, and nobody's every given us a reason why, the guy wanted to go back and play one more year and for some reason, they didn't want Brett back," Cook said of the Packers. "Within a few weeks of announcing his retirement, he told them 'I want to come back.' That just didn't happen, obviously.

Here's the timeline again if you want to catch up on everything.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080805/PKR01/80805191


Ouchie!!!

[RIPackerFan]

I would say the Late March item is gray - I am not sure who is telling the full truth on that one......

The meeting never took place, so we really don't know whether the Pack was going to go to him with open arms or not. However, I know that TT wanted his guy in. Why?

I am not sure how many of you deal with top level executives, but when they get a new position, they want to get their guys in. Favre was an untouchable until he retired - which gave TT the perfect reason to put his guy in (AR).

A top level executive always wants to be the reason for the success. As an example, let's say that in the next three years, the Pack never goes above .500 - TT will be gone, and most people will believe that the 13 - 3 season was because of Favre (while this may not be true - that is what people will think).

However, if we go to the playoffs in the next 3 years, everyone will think TT is a great GM - and Favre won't be in the picture, since it will be done with TT's guys.

To get the due respect - TT needed Favre gone and to get it done without him. With TT having his replacement, it was in his best interest (and since he felt Arod was a great replacement) the team's best interest to replace Favre.

I don't begrudge TT for this, he was doing what he needed to do, but I just don't believe management is telling the whole truth (that being said, I don't think management did anything wrong - even if the above was the case).

[Scott Campbell]

A top level executive always wants to be the reason for the success.


Marginal top level executives perhaps. The best I've been around just want the business model to thrive, and aren't so paranoid about who gets credit for what.

[Bossman641]

A top level executive always wants to be the reason for the success.


Marginal top level executives perhaps. The best I've been around just want the business model to thrive, and aren't so paranoid about who gets credit for what.

Bingo

TT doesn't seem like the type to stand in the spotlight. Maybe he went home at night and basked in the team's success, but I don't recall him taking any credit during the run to the NFC Champ. game. Also, let's not forget that at the GM meeting where he was to receive his Executive of the Year award he left early so he could go scout some kid from Middle of Nowhere A&M.

[pbmax]

Yes, the oddest rumor-fueled speculation to percolate through the intertubes is that Thompson is some egomanical monster that wants all the credit and could not share any of it with his star QB or veterans. Have the supporters of this explanation ever seen this guy talk in public? This guy craves public adulation and credit?

There is scant evidence of this and seems made up entirely of after the fact speculation about preferring younger players to veterans, even when it came to Favre. I am not a knee jerk organization supporter, so I don't think we know or have explanations for everything that went down, but this vein of thinking is just ludicrous and untestable. Perfect fodder for conspiracy theorists.

The only thing Thompson has done that does not seem easily explained by his draft and youth philosophy is the switch from Brandt to Ball.

[RIPackerFan]

Sorry - I disagree with you. Maybe I mis-wrote, but I don't think TT wants to be the only reason for success. However, he believes and wants others to believe that under his tuteledge, the Pack has been successful. This may not be driven by an outward need to be on every talk show or every news network, but it is a driver with every executive.

Why? Because it is a driver of their authority (more respect, more leeway to do what they want). It is a driver for what they get paid. It is the driver of whether he is employed or not.

To say that TT doesn't care if he is seen as successful is wrong. While I don't think that he does it for "showy" accolades, every executive does it to increase power, prestige and pay.

[Bossman641]

To say that TT doesn't care if he is seen as successful is wrong. While I don't think that he does it for "showy" accolades, every executive does it to increase power, prestige and pay.

This is an entirely different argument. Of course he wants to be successful. I don't think he would threaten that success by getting rid of players he thinks could help him be successful just so he could say he did it with his guys though.

[RIPackerFan]

Just so we are clear - I think TT thinks Arod is a more than acceptible replacement for Favre.

I also think that as long as Favre was here - there was little ability for him to bench or replace Favre. (Heck - Favre is no longer on the team and many people think he is still better than Arod - imagine if he was still on the team). TT needed a catalyst to drive his agenda - which was to get Arod into the starting position.

The retirement gave him that authority and leverage.

[Scott Campbell]

TT needed a catalyst to drive his agenda - which was to get Arod into the starting position.


I disagree with all this "agenda" garbage too. The goal is to win - not to put his favorites into the lineup.

I think you've been exposed to too many crappy low level executives that are paranoid about getting fired.

[pbmax]

Just so we are clear - I think TT thinks Arod is a more than acceptible replacement for Favre.

I also think that as long as Favre was here - there was little ability for him to bench or replace Favre. (Heck - Favre is no longer on the team and many people think he is still better than Arod - imagine if he was still on the team). TT needed a catalyst to drive his agenda - which was to get Arod into the starting position.

The retirement gave him that authority and leverage.
But what do you think his agenda is? Is it simply to put his players into position to maximize his leverage? Or do you think he, McCarthy and the football operation people felt like Favre was on a significant downslope?

I can't speak for the man, but he would be nuts to do it for any reason other than what McGinn proposed last August: that Favre could no longer be counted on for success in a deep playoff run or in the cold.

[Scott Campbell]

A top level executive always wants to be the reason for the success.





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[Scott Campbell]

......

[RIPackerFan]

His agenda was the Packers success - which will ultimately lead to his success.

I stated that TT thought that Arod was a more than acceptible (i.e. better) QB than Favre.

He could not change out Favre while Favre was there.

Therefore, he needed leverage which the retirement bought him. Remember, this all goes back to the "fact" that when Favre wanted to come back in March - the Packers were going to open up their arms for him. I stated I did not believe that was the case - I personally believe they were going to go down there to convince him to stay retired.

[cpk1994]

His agenda was the Packers success - which will ultimately lead to his success.

I stated that TT thought that Arod was a more than acceptible (i.e. better) QB than Favre.

He could not change out Favre while Favre was there.

Therefore, he needed leverage which the retirement bought him. Remember, this all goes back to the "fact" that when Favre wanted to come back in March - the Packers were going to open up their arms for him. I stated I did not believe that was the case - I personally believe they were going to go down there to convince him to stay retired.

That's your opinion and you are entitled to it, but I totally disagree. This is footbal, a much different world than regular Corporate America. I When you win a SB, no one remebers who spacifically are your guys. Winning a SB with ARod doesn't give him any more success than if he had won one with Favre. Winning a SB means a ring on your finger and a job well done for the year.

I aslo disagree heartily with your opinion that they were going down to convinve him to stay retired simply for the fact that if they had they would have looke worse than they appeared when they went down there at the end of July. That meeting surely would have been leaked by the Favre camp if the Packers took that route. By the time they were accused of doing so, Brett was already throwing his childish temper tantrums, ESPN, MJS and others were trashing the Packers left and right, and they already took a big PR hit. Going sown to Mississippi to remind of the marketing offer they made doesn't make them look any worse. But if they had tried to convince him to stay retired only one month after his "retirement" announcement?
Yeah. It would be moronic to say the least if they tried that.

GM's are always preparing for the long term future. That is why ARod was drafted when the opportunity arose. THey got tired of Favre's waffling so when he finally said enough, they took him at his word. It didn't matter who they had to replace him, they got tired of Favre's childish and selfish diva act.

[Chevelle2]

Can someone with HBO give a play-by-play account of what is happening, once this gets underway?

[woodbuck27]

Thompson is a terrible GM, if you want to defend a man who has presided over the worst span of Packer football in 20 years while running the man who took Green Bay back to national prominence out of town then by all means do so, you will look quite foolish doing so, to me anyway. What about Thompson's Kool-Aid is so tasty that fans like you can't resist it? Is it his remarkable 31-33 record since taking over as GM? Was it his bumbling of the situation with Favre that made you a believer? Was it last years 7 game backslide? I need to know what it is that makes people blindly defend the man, it's quite interesting to me. Ted Thompson has one more year left in Green Bay, then hopefully after this years 7-9 campaign the Board of Directors will come to their senses and fire this horrible GM who has tainted the good name of this organization.

Why don't you make up more statistics to support your point?!?

GB Packers 88-91 under Infante were 24-40. But don't let facts stop your rant.

Look at it this way, TD, As a GM, you don't look at what happened 10 years ago (Favre singlehandedly bringing the franchise back without any help from his line, receivers, kickass special teams--who was the SB MVP again?--or amazing defense), you look to what is going to make your team stronger for the NEXT 10 years. And I would ask, if the GM is responsible for the 10 game backslide, he's also responsible for the record you backslid FROM. Ted Thompson got his team to one interception from the SuperBowl. He was named Exec of the Year and is most certainly not on the hot seat now. I suggest you get used to his presence because even if you whine yourself blue in the face (which may have already happened for all I know), he will still be there.

Ron Wolf Mike Holmgren, Brett Favre, and Reggie White. Ron Wolf hired Mike Holmgren, trade a number one draft pick for Favre.

Favre plays game against a Philly with Reggie White in 1992. Favre seperates his left shoulder after taking a crushing hit from Reggie White. White thinks Favre is done. Next series Favre comes running back on the field to lead the Packers back to win the game in the second half. Reggie is astounded by the heart and leadership of a young Favre.

White is free agent in 2003, he can chose to go any where he wants for any amount of money. Wolf offers White 17 million dollars. He chooses Green Bay, because of God, and the money, but also he realized he had a QB on his team that could take this team further than he had ever been in the playoffs.

White starts slowly recruiting defensive players to come to Green Bay, Sean Jones, Santana Dotson, and Keith Jackson on offense.

The best player on offense that Favre ever played with was Sterling Sharpe. He was lost in 1995 before the Packers ever made the Super Bowl, was never on a team that went to an NFC Championship game. Favre had a pretty ordinary offensive line in the 1990s the only Pro Bowl linemen was Frank Winters, and I think he was an alternate. Ziggy, without looking it up(which you will) name the starting left tackle in the 1996 Super Bowl for the Packers.

How many pro bowls did any running back, tight end, wide receiver make after playing with Favre?

Ron Wolf was a fantastic GM, but he had his misses in the draft especially in early rounds, but he made up for it in later rounds and he did a fantastic job of acquiring veterans to blend with younger players. Wolf wasn't afraid once his roster was solidified to go after those one or two players that put the team over the top. Keith Jackson, Dotson, Eugene Robinson, Sean Jones, and Ahman Green.

Mike Homgren, biggest accomplishement was taking Favre and turning him into a three time MVP. Next was being one of the best head coaches of his time, excellent with his hiring of coaches, especially on defense. West Coast genius. Cost the Packers in 1997 another Super Bowl, with is underhanding pleading for a Job as a GM and Head coach for a team on the West Coast. Lost focus on winning the second Super Bowl. Lost focus on his 1998 team.

I will never say that Favre did it all himself. I don't think the Packers win a Super Bowl play for another one, and make four NFC Championship games without Brett Favre.

OK way to set it down Nutz. Noone's messin' with you on this post.

[woodbuck27]

Ron Wolf Mike Holmgren, Brett Favre, and Reggie White. Ron Wolf hired Mike Holmgren, trade a number one draft pick for Favre.

Favre plays game against a Philly with Reggie White in 1992. Favre seperates his left shoulder after taking a crushing hit from Reggie White. White thinks Favre is done. Next series Favre comes running back on the field to lead the Packers back to win the game in the second half. Reggie is astounded by the heart and leadership of a young Favre.

White is free agent in 2003, he can chose to go any where he wants for any amount of money. Wolf offers White 17 million dollars. He chooses Green Bay, because of God, and the money, but also he realized he had a QB on his team that could take this team further than he had ever been in the playoffs.

White starts slowly recruiting defensive players to come to Green Bay, Sean Jones, Santana Dotson, and Keith Jackson on offense.

The best player on offense that Favre ever played with was Sterling Sharpe. He was lost in 1995 before the Packers ever made the Super Bowl, was never on a team that went to an NFC Championship game. Favre had a pretty ordinary offensive line in the 1990s the only Pro Bowl linemen was Frank Winters, and I think he was an alternate. Ziggy, without looking it up(which you will) name the starting left tackle in the 1996 Super Bowl for the Packers.

How many pro bowls did any running back, tight end, wide receiver make after playing with Favre?

Ron Wolf was a fantastic GM, but he had his misses in the draft especially in early rounds, but he made up for it in later rounds and he did a fantastic job of acquiring veterans to blend with younger players. Wolf wasn't afraid once his roster was solidified to go after those one or two players that put the team over the top. Keith Jackson, Dotson, Eugene Robinson, Sean Jones, and Ahman Green.

Mike Homgren, biggest accomplishement was taking Favre and turning him into a three time MVP. Next was being one of the best head coaches of his time, excellent with his hiring of coaches, especially on defense. West Coast genius. Cost the Packers in 1997 another Super Bowl, with is underhanding pleading for a Job as a GM and Head coach for a team on the West Coast. Lost focus on winning the second Super Bowl. Lost focus on his 1998 team.

I will never say that Favre did it all himself. I don't think the Packers win a Super Bowl play for another one, and make four NFC Championship games without Brett Favre.




You don't look at what happened 10 (geez, almost 15 years ago), you look at what will make your team better for the NEXT ten years. I bet they were saying the same thing when Starr and Lombardi left. We are already much better off than we were at that point, no? How do you know Raji isn't the next White? McCarthy/Capers the Holmgren combination (he didn't do it alone either and nearly got fired in Seattle, remember?)

Oh and the name of the left tackle doesn't matter. If he didn't do his job, Favre would have spent the game on his back and we'd have lost. Without question. Hell, without Desmond Howard, we'd likely have lost. Favre was not MVP of that game for a reason (that many so EASILY forget)[/quote]

************************************************** **********

Yes Desmond Howard played a key role in that Super Bowl win and was awarded the MVP but Brett Favre played very well for us in that win.

If you had to say which player Howard or Favre played a stronger role in Packer history who would you vote for MJ? That Super Bowl win was just one game. How many times did we see Favre as a game MVP Vs Desmond Howard or any other individual Packer over the course of the years Favre wore our colors?

Therein lies a response that certainly supports Nutz's post MJ. :D

GO PACK GO!

[The Shadow]

Bruce Wilkerson?

[gex]

Thompson is a terrible GM, if you want to defend a man who has presided over the worst span of Packer football in 20 years while running the man who took Green Bay back to national prominence out of town then by all means do so, you will look quite foolish doing so, to me anyway. What about Thompson's Kool-Aid is so tasty that fans like you can't resist it? Is it his remarkable 31-33 record since taking over as GM? Was it his bumbling of the situation with Favre that made you a believer? Was it last years 7 game backslide? I need to know what it is that makes people blindly defend the man, it's quite interesting to me. Ted Thompson has one more year left in Green Bay, then hopefully after this years 7-9 campaign the Board of Directors will come to their senses and fire this horrible GM who has tainted the good name of this organization.

Why don't you make up more statistics to support your point?!?

GB Packers 88-91 under Infante were 24-40. But don't let facts stop your rant.

Look at it this way, TD, As a GM, you don't look at what happened 10 years ago (Favre singlehandedly bringing the franchise back without any help from his line, receivers, kickass special teams--who was the SB MVP again?--or amazing defense), you look to what is going to make your team stronger for the NEXT 10 years. And I would ask, if the GM is responsible for the 10 game backslide, he's also responsible for the record you backslid FROM. Ted Thompson got his team to one interception from the SuperBowl. He was named Exec of the Year and is most certainly not on the hot seat now. I suggest you get used to his presence because even if you whine yourself blue in the face (which may have already happened for all I know), he will still be there.

Ron Wolf Mike Holmgren, Brett Favre, and Reggie White. Ron Wolf hired Mike Holmgren, trade a number one draft pick for Favre.

Favre plays game against a Philly with Reggie White in 1992. Favre seperates his left shoulder after taking a crushing hit from Reggie White. White thinks Favre is done. Next series Favre comes running back on the field to lead the Packers back to win the game in the second half. Reggie is astounded by the heart and leadership of a young Favre.

White is free agent in 2003, he can chose to go any where he wants for any amount of money. Wolf offers White 17 million dollars. He chooses Green Bay, because of God, and the money, but also he realized he had a QB on his team that could take this team further than he had ever been in the playoffs.

White starts slowly recruiting defensive players to come to Green Bay, Sean Jones, Santana Dotson, and Keith Jackson on offense.

The best player on offense that Favre ever played with was Sterling Sharpe. He was lost in 1995 before the Packers ever made the Super Bowl, was never on a team that went to an NFC Championship game. Favre had a pretty ordinary offensive line in the 1990s the only Pro Bowl linemen was Frank Winters, and I think he was an alternate. Ziggy, without looking it up(which you will) name the starting left tackle in the 1996 Super Bowl for the Packers.

How many pro bowls did any running back, tight end, wide receiver make after playing with Favre?

Ron Wolf was a fantastic GM, but he had his misses in the draft especially in early rounds, but he made up for it in later rounds and he did a fantastic job of acquiring veterans to blend with younger players. Wolf wasn't afraid once his roster was solidified to go after those one or two players that put the team over the top. Keith Jackson, Dotson, Eugene Robinson, Sean Jones, and Ahman Green.

Mike Homgren, biggest accomplishement was taking Favre and turning him into a three time MVP. Next was being one of the best head coaches of his time, excellent with his hiring of coaches, especially on defense. West Coast genius. Cost the Packers in 1997 another Super Bowl, with is underhanding pleading for a Job as a GM and Head coach for a team on the West Coast. Lost focus on winning the second Super Bowl. Lost focus on his 1998 team.

I will never say that Favre did it all himself. I don't think the Packers win a Super Bowl play for another one, and make four NFC Championship games without Brett Favre.

OK way to set it down Nutz. Noone's messin' with you on this post.
I'll 2nd that Woody, very spot on Nutz. 8-)

[pbmax]

Bruce Wilkerson?
Yes, a name never mention in contract negotiations by agents of Left Tackles. :lol:

[pbmax]

Chris Werdenson reports that the Vikes have sent a trainer to Minnesota to check on Favre. He is also headed to New York today for Buck's interview.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/06/15/report-vikings-trainer-visits-favre/

[cpk1994]

Chris Werdenson reports that the Vikes have sent a trainer to Minnesota to check on Favre. He is also headed to New York today for Buck's interview.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/06/15/report-vikings-trainer-visits-favre/Do they know if Favre took a shit before or after he his flight? How about what he is having for dinner?

[Chevelle2]

Why do I have a feeling that nothing of substance is going to be said tonight?

[Scott Campbell]

If you had to say which player Howard or Favre played a stronger role in Packer history who would you vote for MJ?



After thoughtful consideration, I'm voting for Brett Favre. I hope that's not too controversial of a position to take.

[Pacopete4]

Why do I have a feeling that nothing of substance is going to be said tonight?

Who cares?

[Scott Campbell]

Why do I have a feeling that nothing of substance is going to be said tonight?



What's the difference?

If he said something of substance, would you believe him anyway?

[MJZiggy]

If you had to say which player Howard or Favre played a stronger role in Packer history who would you vote for MJ?



My precise point was that what happened in history has no bearing on the team's future going forward. That's the part you don't get. What happened in that Super Bowl is completly irrelevant to the queation of whether TT should have gone with A-Rod. It's about maximizing your potential for the best outcome and a Super Bowl from a decade past means nothing to that objective.

[cpk1994]

Why do I have a feeling that nothing of substance is going to be said tonight?

The Force is strong with this one.