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[RashanGary]

[b]#5. SES syndrome (Seven-Eleven Syndrome).

This team could not close, be it offensively, defensively or on special teams. Despite what the statistics say, this team was horrible in the second half of games. Until this changes they will stay near 6-10.

Oh yeah. Win games instead of losing them. Thanks for nailing that down ;) Thanks for the thought and research there, parsh.

[Administrator]

[b]#5. SES syndrome (Seven-Eleven Syndrome).

This team could not close, be it offensively, defensively or on special teams. Despite what the statistics say, this team was horrible in the second half of games. Until this changes they will stay near 6-10.

Oh yeah. Win games instead of losing them. Thanks for nailing that down ;) Thanks for the thought and research there, parsh.

I suppose you'll tell me that you meant this "in good humor". I don't think it's funny... or helpful.

[RashanGary]

Yeah. I thought it was a good post. There was no research. He didn't nail anything down. Can you show me otherwise?

[Administrator]

Yeah. I thought it was a good post. There was no research. He didn't nail anything down. Can you show me otherwise?

He posted an opinion. Your sarcasm is worse than your post. Why do you think your knowledge is superior? Because you took a few minutes to read something or you went to an OTA?

You don't like it, ignore it. But stop with the petty insults.

[SkinBasket]

This gets a huge WTF? He was making a comment about his post, not his mother.


You don't like it, ignore it.

You did understand what a forum is before you signed on for this, right?

[Deputy Nutz]

This stuff goes on all the time here, and just about every forum. It seems only when Partial is on the end of a little pot shot does anything happen in terms of administration stepping in. I have seen him poke his head into some other disputes, but alot of it seems to be in Partial's defense.

Tell me if I am wrong.


Whatever you post does not reflect the views or opinions of PackerRats.com. It reflects yours. Your poster reputation is determined by what you post so you control your own destiny.

[RashanGary]

First, I'm sorry that admin ruined your good thread, PB but here we are and I'm not going to take his garbage.



Well, admin, this thread was started so people could improve the article by providing research and reasoning. My opinion was that Partial added nothing to the conversation, almost to the point where it insulted the thread. That's the kind of thing he does that annoys the hell out of us. You disagree. You think he has a relevant, valid opinion that added to the thread. You got your word in. I still think it added nothing and I think more people would agree with me than you (doesn't make me right, but it makes me feel better about it). I like that you disagree, but I'm not going to stop posting my opinion.

As far as I'm concerned, I thought my post was fine. It's what I do here. I will not temper it any further than I already have. I will not change unless I believe in the change and I don't right now. It's who I am. If I think a post is BS, I'm going to say it. Over time, If I'm calling things BS and I turn out to be wrong, I'll get my share of flack for it. That's how it works. That's why things come back and bite people in the ass. I can promise you that as long as I'm allowed here, I will continue to post exactly like I just did. If I'm wrong, I'll take my flack and learn my lessons but I will never learn a lesson from you telling me what I can and cannot post. Ban me today and ban me for good because it will never change.

On GBPG article blogs, I'm CurseOfHarrell. At packerchatters I'm GregJennings. Going forward, I'm going to change all of my names to CurseOfHarrell. If anyone wants to say hey at another forum and I get banned here, that's who I'll be. I'll take any amount of disagreement on my posts. I'll take any criticism but I will not stop posting my opinions. If you want that, you'll have to ban me and make it for good because it will never change.

[Administrator]

First, I'm sorry that admin ruined your good thread, PB but here we are and I'm not going to take his garbage.



Well, admin, this thread was started so people could improve the article by providing research and reasoning. My opinion was that Partial added nothing to the conversation, almost to the point where it insulted the thread. That's the kind of thing he does that annoys the hell out of us. You disagree. You think he has a relevant, valid opinion that added to the thread. You got your word in. I still think it added nothing and I think more people would agree with me than you (doesn't make me right, but it makes me feel better about it). I like that you disagree, but I'm not going to stop posting my opinion.

As far as I'm concerned, I thought my post was fine. It's what I do here. I will not temper it any further than I already have. I will not change unless I believe in the change and I don't right now. It's who I am. If I think a post is BS, I'm going to say it. Over time, If I'm calling things BS and I turn out to be wrong, I'll get my share of flack for it. That's how it works. That's why things come back and bite people in the ass. I can promise you that as long as I'm allowed here, I will continue to post exactly like I just did. If I'm wrong, I'll take my flack and learn my lessons but I will never learn a lesson from you telling me what I can and cannot post. Ban me today and ban me for good because it will never change.

On GBPG article blogs, I'm CurseOfHarrell. At packerchatters I'm GregJennings. Going forward, I'm going to change all of my names to CurseOfHarrell. If anyone wants to say hey at another forum and I get banned here, that's who I'll be. I'll take any amount of disagreement on my posts. I'll take any criticism but I will not stop posting my opinions. If you want that, you'll have to ban me and make it for good because it will never change.

If you phrase your disagreement in terms of the opinion and not the poster, I wouldn't have a problem with that. But you don't. Your potshot was clearly directed at a personal nature instead of an opinion response. That's got to stop, regardless of who it is.

Read Waldo's post. He somehow managed to get his point across without insulting the poster. You didn't even attemp that.

If you want to leave, go, if you want to stay, stop insulting people. It is really very simple.

Give them the same courtesy that you expect back. When you don't get it, let me know, we'll discuss it and I'll handle it.

[Administrator]

This stuff goes on all the time here, and just about every forum. It seems only when Partial is on the end of a little pot shot does anything happen in terms of administration stepping in. I have seen him poke his head into some other disputes, but alot of it seems to be in Partial's defense.

Tell me if I am wrong.


Whatever you post does not reflect the views or opinions of PackerRats.com. It reflects yours. Your poster reputation is determined by what you post so you control your own destiny.

Well Deputy, you can make the accusation if you want to, but quite honestly it doesn't hold water.

I have no relationship with Partial at all, have never even spoken to him in any manner. I posted in another thread regarding woodbuck too, don't know him either.

Here is what I do know. I've received several PM's over the last few weeks with long time posters "taking a break" because of the personal nature of posts around here. That's real, and not a mirage.

I'd rather have those people here, than the people that want to insult others and demean their opinion.

You can accept that or just continue to look for the conspiracy theory. I haven't posted much because I've been reading and getting to know people, and what they are trying to do. There are a handful that I'm not really thrilled with.

As to your quote of the forum rules, it'd be great if those things were observed. But they aren't being observed, and they are driving good contributors off. That has to end. If you've got a better idea, I'd love to hear it.

[Waldo]

I have no relationship with Partial at all, have never even spoken to him in any manner. I posted in another thread regarding woodbuck too, don't know him either.

Here is what I do know. I've received several PM's over the last few weeks with long time posters "taking a break" because of the personal nature of posts around here. That's real, and not a mirage.

I'd rather have those people here, than the people that want to insult others and demean their opinion.

This is common to all message boards, and really afflicts one type of poster. Every place that I have been a part of, people will lash out and attack negative posters that tend to not come from an informed position and cannot be swayed by reason. They are extremely difficult to debate points with.

About the best that comes of it, they force you to study the validity of arguments in depth, and come from an informed position with support. The best you can hope to accomplish is to sway all other observers to your side of the argument with the case you've laid out, as the person being debated cannot be beaten and will never lose their resolve, no matter how one sided the discussion.

This is often terribly frustrating for people attempting to debate this type of poster, 90%+ of all people banned all over (at least the ones banned for the task at hand, and not things like inappropriate/off task posts (the porn posters and advertisers)) are banned while debating 5% of the posters. It is not easy to learn self control while posting when frustrated, especially when the frustration is not from being beaten in an argument, instead frustrated from blowing away your competition and having no effect on the course of the debate.

I don't know if you guys have noticed, I have not once entered into any sort of Favre debate. It is a battle I've been fighting for more than 5 years, and I used to come from a very unpopular position, that has risen in popularity in the last year.

[RashanGary]

First of all, admin, this is what I said, "Oh yeah. Win games instead of losing them. Thanks for nailing that down ;) Thanks for the thought and research there, parsh."

Earlier in the thread I gave another post that had nothing to do with the topic. I said, [b] "nice thread" [\b] or something to that effect to PB

If you thought PB said something stupid, you'd think my post to him was sarcastic. If you thought Partial said something stupid, you'd think my post was sarcastic.


You, admin, are scolding me for your own opinion of what Partial said. I didn't have to insult Partial. Like usual, he insulted himself by opening his mouth.


2nd, I told you about a month ago that these control freaks loved it here because they could ban differing opinions, especially ones that make them look stupid. They do not know any other way to deal with it than to ban a poster. They cannot ignore. They cannot agree to disagree. It's either you think their opinion is valid or ban. Now, with the new leadership, these people are squirming. They're threatening to leave (like I told you they would) You know what, admin? I'll bet you 75% of the posts from the posters who are gone were made in the romper room. The other 25%, in the Packer room, were probably fighting about Brett Favre. This place will be better if these posters grow spines or never come back. Trying to punish a whole great forum for 3 or 4 control freaks is absolutely idiotic, but they are clever manipulators, they've accomplished it before. It looks like SC and Ty are gone, which I think is BS.

I'm here because I've built relationships here and I like to talk Packer football. The first comes before the 2nd or I'd be anywhere else. I'm strong enough to listen to any opinion (like mine or otherwise). I won't stop posting my opinions because a couple people can't handle them. If it gets to the point where it's ban me or lose them, that's a choice you're going to have to make because i guarantee you'll see more posts like the one you scolded me about. I think you'll make the wrong decision and side with a couple of non Packer fans that don't add anything but high post counts on off-topics. They make you feel good by asking you to solve a problem. I make you feel useless becuase I don't need you for anything except to get out of the way. Like with most people it's all about you. In the process of being a typical (need to feel good) human, enjoy ruining your own forum by giving a helping hand to the useless while eliminating the interesting. I'm sure it will make you feel great while making your forum suck.

[bobblehead]

First of all, admin, this is what I said, "Oh yeah. Win games instead of losing them. Thanks for nailing that down ;) Thanks for the thought and research there, parsh."

Earlier in the thread I gave another post that had nothing to do with the topic. I said, [b] "nice thread" [\b] or something to that effect to PB

If you thought PB said something stupid, you'd think my post to him was sarcastic. If you thought Partial said something stupid, you'd think my post was sarcastic.


You, admin, are scolding me for your own opinion of what Partial said. I didn't have to insult Partial. Like usual, he insulted himself by opening his mouth.


2nd, I told you about a month ago that these control freaks loved it here because they could ban differing opinions, especially ones that make them look stupid. They do not know any other way to deal with it than to ban a poster. They cannot ignore. They cannot agree to disagree. It's either you think their opinion is valid or ban. Now, with the new leadership, these people are squirming. They're threatening to leave (like I told you they would) You know what, admin? I'll bet you 75% of the posts from the posters who are gone were made in the romper room. The other 25%, in the Packer room, were probably fighting about Brett Favre. This place will be better if these posters grow spines or never come back. Trying to punish a whole great forum for 3 or 4 control freaks is absolutely idiotic, but they are clever manipulators, they've accomplished it before. It looks like SC and Ty are gone, which I think is BS.

I'm here because I've built relationships here and I like to talk Packer football. The first comes before the 2nd or I'd be anywhere else. I'm strong enough to listen to any opinion (like mine or otherwise). I won't stop posting my opinions because a couple people can't handle them. If it gets to the point where it's ban me or lose them, that's a choice you're going to have to make because i guarantee you'll see more posts like the one you scolded me about. I think you'll make the wrong decision and side with a couple of non Packer fans that don't add anything but high post counts on off-topics. They make you feel good by asking you to solve a problem. I make you feel useless becuase I don't need you for anything except to get out of the way. Like with most people it's all about you. In the process of being a typical (need to feel good) human, enjoy ruining your own forum by giving a helping hand to the useless while eliminating the interesting. I'm sure it will make you feel great while making your forum suck.

Strangely those few you speak of were the liberals who couldn't defend a viewpoint so the solution was to ship politics our of the RR. Perhaps we could solve the problem with a new room for those who now despise Favre.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

It looks like SC and Ty are gone, which I think is BS.


Ty is not gone. Ty agrees with you. Ty has watched the admin admonish certain posters and NEVER admonish others...based on his own criteria.

If or when Ty gets banned...look for Ty or otownbadger/phxbadger on other forums.

Even though large parts of Forum and many old and famous threads have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Admin and all the odious apparatus of his rule, we shall not flag or fail. Ty shall go on to the end, Ty shall fight in Green Bay forum, Ty shall fight on the Romper Room and Badger forum, Ty shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, Ty shall defend our Forum, whatever the cost may be, Ty shall fight on the Favre threads, Ty shall fight on the TT threads, Ty shall fight in the Ruvell threads and in the Garbage Can, ty shall fight in the bucks forum; Ty shall never surrender, and if, which Ty does not for a moment believe, this Forum or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Posters beyond the Internet, armed and guarded by the other forums, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the new packer forums, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the Old.

[SkinBasket]

If you phrase your disagreement in terms of the opinion and not the poster, I wouldn't have a problem with that. But you don't. Your potshot was clearly directed at a personal nature instead of an opinion response. That's got to stop, regardless of who it is.

So while you're defending Partial from this comment:


Oh yeah. Win games instead of losing them. Thanks for nailing that down ;) Thanks for the thought and research there, parsh.

Here's what's been going on this weekend:


I think your list of players is by and large BS.


Harv, don't be a little bitch.


get real jag...


Having everyone laugh at you as you're crushed by a fat man will be glorious.


I want him to shut the fuck up


So many people here talk a big game without any ability whatsoever to back it up. :lol:


Don't be a DFC.

That's Dumb Fucking Cunt for the more refined amongst us.


yet are unwilling to be a fucking man and walk the walk...


dumb fucking cunt. What do I care? Your actions are a direct reflection of this lately.


This is from one thread! ONE THREAD! And what did you have to say?




Yet you choose to chastise JH for having the "gall" to question the validity of one of Partial's posts - without cursing and without referencing anything other than his post. Give me fucking break. Either you're being highly selective in what you read, or this forum is far worse off than I thought. Take your pick.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

That raises the question of why does anything happen? How can anyone quantify anything like that.

There are reasons that you believe the things you do. You claim that the Packers went 6-10 because they weren't mentally tough and displayed poor second half play calling, so you apparently believe that. Now potentially your reason for believing this is "they went 6-10 and they're talented, so it's got to be something..." in which case this is circular reasoning; the Packers did not go 6-10 because they went 6-10.

But if there's something else to it, if you have specific reasons that you believe what you claim to believe, and specific examples that reinforce your beliefs, we would love to hear it. At the very least, it would dispell all doubts that your reasoning is circular.

After all, if the Packers truly lacked mental toughness, someone else who watched the same games you did should be able to spot this if you informed them what "lack of mental toughness" looks like.

Those unable to see what partial sees lack "mental toughness."

[Tyrone Bigguns]

If you phrase your disagreement in terms of the opinion and not the poster, I wouldn't have a problem with that. But you don't. Your potshot was clearly directed at a personal nature instead of an opinion response. That's got to stop, regardless of who it is.

So while you're defending Partial from this comment:


Oh yeah. Win games instead of losing them. Thanks for nailing that down ;) Thanks for the thought and research there, parsh.

Here's what's been going on this weekend:


I think your list of players is by and large BS.


Harv, don't be a little bitch.


get real jag...


Having everyone laugh at you as you're crushed by a fat man will be glorious.


I want him to shut the fuck up


So many people here talk a big game without any ability whatsoever to back it up. :lol:


Don't be a DFC.

That's Dumb Fucking Cunt for the more refined amongst us.


yet are unwilling to be a fucking man and walk the walk...


dumb fucking cunt. What do I care? Your actions are a direct reflection of this lately.


This is from one thread! ONE THREAD! And what did you have to say?




Yet you choose to chastise JH for having the "gall" to question the validity of one of Partial's posts - without cursing and without referencing anything other than his post. Give me fucking break. Either you're being highly selective in what you read, or this forum is far worse off than I thought. Take your pick.

I think the admin falls prey to the second infraction theory, like in football.

Instead of wondering why there appears to be a random gang that is picking on partial he ignores it.

Surely all those people are just asshat. :roll:

[Deputy Nutz]

I thought I had another post floating around this thread. What must have happened to it?

[RashanGary]

Thank you for rescuing me, skinbasket. I love you.

[SkinBasket]

Thank you for rescuing me, skinbasket. I love you.

Well, no offense, but I didn't do it for you JH. It's exactly like I said before. I have no problem if Admin wants to run a tighter ship. I don't agree with it and I think trying to maintain any level of civility above a bar around 1am is going to be damn near impossible, but if that's what he wants to do, then that tighter ship rule has to apply to everyone equally. As Waldo pointed out, it's difficult to post on a board where someone makes wild claims, then ignores all reason against them. It's frustrating. It's doubly frustrating when that kind of poster is allowed to berate others so crudely while being shielded from rather benign comments, in my opinion.

[Administrator]

Either you're being highly selective in what you read, or this forum is far worse off than I thought. Take your pick.

Ok, well I've read the offending thread. I'll detail my thoughts on that below.

Regarding this point, I reiterate what I said earlier, I don't read every thread. I don't know who Pete Shrager is and couldn't give a damn what he thinks.

So, I didn't read it. Had someone pointed me to it, I'd have probably deleted the later responses, and talked with several people via PM. This might have been the first thread that I actually locked, as the last 2 1/2 pages didn't have a damn thing to do about football.

Was Partial out of line? Yes. Was he the only one? NO. It's kind of sad Skinbasket that you are slanting everything towards one perspective.

You are maintaining that there is somehow "favoritism" directed at a few people here. Coming from you, that's complete and utter bullshit. I have stopped all of the references directed at you from Partial and a few other folks. Have you forgotten? Partial has the distinction as being one of two people that I told to "knock of the crap" in the Garbage Can.

I have no 'favorites' here. It is a completely non-starter of an argument. Your situation is proof of that. In this thread, I told Justin Harrell that I disagreed with the manner that he posted and I still do. It was wrong. Waldo showed that there are effective ways to make your point without attacking the poster. Justin Harrell did not do that, and someone else acting inappropriately doesn't change that.

I'll detail out the post now, but first I'm moving this behind closed doors to the Romper Room, as well as the Pete Schrager thread. The guests do not need to see this dirty laundry.

[sharpe1027]

Thank you for rescuing me, skinbasket. I love you.

Well, no offense, but I didn't do it for you JH. It's exactly like I said before. I have no problem if Admin wants to run a tighter ship. I don't agree with it and I think trying to maintain any level of civility above a bar around 1am is going to be damn near impossible, but if that's what he wants to do, then that tighter ship rule has to apply to everyone equally. As Waldo pointed out, it's difficult to post on a board where someone makes wild claims, then ignores all reason against them. It's frustrating. It's doubly frustrating when that kind of poster is allowed to berate others so crudely while being shielded from rather benign comments, in my opinion.

Maybe that is a blessing in disguise. A certain poster relishes taking controversial positions and seeing how many responses can be goaded out of people. It also seems that most of us are not able to resist responding. If, however, no one is allowed to take the bait for fear of being censored, maybe, just maybe, those types of posts will lessen and not dominate four pages of every other thread.

Of course it would be much easier just to respond to those posts with: "I like cheese." Same effect and entirely true.

[Zool]

Maybe Skin is way off, but I agree with him. Not about the playing favorites part, but maybe because quite a few people take it upon themselves to call Partial a retard maybe Admin feels like he needs to ease up off him. I disagree with that. He posts many insulting things and then says "well they did it first". Its a chicken/egg scenario thats gone on far too long. It seems like we're fixing the effects of the problem not the cause of the problem.

[Administrator]

Thanks for re-posting your comment Zool. I wasn't sure how to fix that, but I was going to try.

To everyone - While I was typing the above post, I was thinking how the OP's topic was a really good football topic and the discussion was overshadowed by the typical BS.

So, I decided to split the topic, and put the football discussion back into the Packers room and leave the rest of the crap here.

I'll now compose the earlier response I said I was working on...

[Administrator]

Skinbasket, your best line of defense in that thread is Partials 1st comment. (Let's set aside the DFC stuff until later, and I'll deal with that at the end).

When I'm looking at things, I'm always sensitive to the first thing said in a thread, that is out of bounds. It was a minor shot but still a shot.

It could have stopped there, but it didn't. It started between Harvey and Partial but didn't stay there. Interestingly, there were 14 "slams" directed at Partial from 9 different posters. Does that excuse the latter behavior? Umm No. Does it explain it? I think so.

My 'mode of operation' in the last two months has been to look at who started the original comment. Partial clearly did here. Then he and Harvey escalated it, and neither would back down. Then a bunch of other people that had nothing to do with the situation had to weigh in with insults of their own.

So, (again excluding the DFC comments) if the battle had not expanded from harvey and Partial, the latter comments would probably not have been made. Skinbasket - your "best criticism" comes from those latter posts, and hence, you miss the bigger point and take the whole mess out of context. I'm trying to stop the battle between Harvey and Partial from escalating.

That was my goal with the comments to Justin Harrell earlier. There was no reason to start that. Partial was following the "rules" set down by the op and he posted his comment. Justin Harrell mocked the comment. He should have ignored it. Then he mocked me, for criticizing the comment. Then, he told me that's just the "way he is". And it took off from there.

Back to Partial. He has been criticized multiple times for his arm or lack thereof. I would guess that would get old and tiring after a while. It was out of bounds for Harvey to bring that up. I'm sure that was a response to Partial's calling his point "bs". Again, neither would back down.

Then, the real problem started. (From the open Packer forum perspective). As I stated earlier 9 different people weighed in with their "slams" directed at partial. Some mocked him, some criticized him, some referred to earlier points (probably out of context) and you all kept it going, as you could clearly see he got angrier.

Then Ziggy weighed in about the "original slam" of his arm strength and he went off.

None of this is "cool". Taken collectively, it is exactly what I want to stop. Especially in the Packer room. Someone who doesn't have the history, doesn't understand that there are just a few folks who get "ganged up on". They rightly think, I'm not signing up, my comments will just get bashed like that. And they go elsewhere.

The 9 posters who slammed Partial are just a guilty as he is. My focus is going after the 1st comment. In this case, that's partial. In this thread, that was Justin Harrell. It isn't about "playing favorites", that's simply a BS diversion.

I'm asking all of you - just knock this crap off. If it doesn't have anything to do with you, don't weigh in. The comments weren't funny. It was 9 vs. 1 for a majority of the last 3 pages of the thread.

Finally, the DFC comments. There is zero excuse for that. I'm not even going to try to defend it. Partial was clearly and utterly out of control at that point. Had I seen it, I would have deleted it. Without question. I'll say this, if that happens again, Partial will be gone. Permanently. So will any other member of this forum. There is no justification and no place for that.

I am also very, very tired of the "one liner" slam. There are 3 or 4 posters here that really enjoy engaging in those. One poster has been told he's on his final chance regarding those. One other poster hasn't yet been contacted. Those one-liners are a big part of starting these silly arguments like the Pete Schrager thread. I've got to end those things. They are causing good people to leave, regardless of their football perspective.

[Deputy Nutz]

Either you're being highly selective in what you read, or this forum is far worse off than I thought. Take your pick.

Ok, well I've read the offending thread. I'll detail my thoughts on that below.

Regarding this point, I reiterate what I said earlier, I don't read every thread. I don't know who Pete Shrager is and couldn't give a damn what he thinks.

So, I didn't read it. Had someone pointed me to it, I'd have probably deleted the later responses, and talked with several people via PM. This might have been the first thread that I actually locked, as the last 2 1/2 pages didn't have a damn thing to do about football.

Was Partial out of line? Yes. Was he the only one? NO. It's kind of sad Skinbasket that you are slanting everything towards one perspective.

You are maintaining that there is somehow "favoritism" directed at a few people here. Coming from you, that's complete and utter bullshit. I have stopped all of the references directed at you from Partial and a few other folks. Have you forgotten? Partial has the distinction as being one of two people that I told to "knock of the crap" in the Garbage Can.

I have no 'favorites' here. It is a completely non-starter of an argument. Your situation is proof of that. In this thread, I told Justin Harrell that I disagreed with the manner that he posted and I still do. It was wrong. Waldo showed that there are effective ways to make your point without attacking the poster. Justin Harrell did not do that, and someone else acting inappropriately doesn't change that.

I'll detail out the post now, but first I'm moving this behind closed doors to the Romper Room, as well as the Pete Schrager thread. The guests do not need to see this dirty laundry.

I'll try to keep this as concise as possible. First, I would argue that if you can't read all the threads, which is understandable, that maybe it's time to find a moderator. Otherwise, it puts you in a poor position to chastise people in one thread while a flame rages out of control in another. That's not meant as some kind of jab against you, simply a way to avoid this kind of problem in the future.

Second, I believe, though I could be wrong, that I've only said that it gives the appearance that some people are being treated differently, and that's why some people feel that way, not that you necessarily are doing it intentionally. I stated that some people here obviously felt that some posters were being treated differently than others when it comes to what is and isn't acceptable to post before they're chastised by the Administrator. You denied that, so I posted the examples as a demonstration of why that could be.

Of course the examples I gave were "skewed." I was making the point that the poster you defended in one thread was simultaneously degrading people in a much, much worse fashion in another without consequence. You've explained that it's because you hadn't read that thread, which is fine, but I would still maintain that someone claiming a guy can't throw a football doesn't rise to a response of calling people little bitches and cunts. That's the gig though. Flame out, then claim victimization afterward.

I don't get your point about this coming from me being "bullshit." Yeah, you stopped Partial's personal attacks against me. That was nice and I appreciated it. but does that mean I can't say anything when he then attacks someone else or when I see what appears to be a discrepancy in how posters are being treated? I guess if you're going to equate what JH posted with everything Partial did, I can't stop you. But for someone who wants to be "fair" I find that a tough argument to carry.


EDIT: Before anyone attacks nutz, this is SkinBasket. Nutz is over painting my house today and left himself logged in. My apologies for the confusion to follow.

[SkinBasket]

Ah, I feel much cleaner now.

[hoosier]

I was gonna say, that sounded way too articulate to be Nutz. No offense or nothin.

[SkinBasket]

I was gonna say, that sounded way too articulate to be Nutz. No offense or nothin.

Don't worry, he's outside getting heatstroke now.

[Scott Campbell]

Finally, the DFC comments. There is zero excuse for that. I'm not even going to try to defend it.


Yet this is ok?



What a pathetic life do you have to have, to "show" everyone how smart you are in an online football forum?




I personally rank the comments on equal terms. Except that one of them came from the guy that is supposed to be setting the right example.

There's no place for either of those in the Packers forum. Just one guys opinion.

[Patler]

Skinbasket, your best line of defense in that thread is Partials 1st comment. (Let's set aside the DFC stuff until later, and I'll deal with that at the end).

When I'm looking at things, I'm always sensitive to the first thing said in a thread, that is out of bounds. It was a minor shot but still a shot.

(Redacted for brevity)

My 'mode of operation' in the last two months has been to look at who started the original comment.

(Redacted for brevity)

That was my goal with the comments to Justin Harrell earlier. There was no reason to start that.

(Redacted for brevity)

Then, the real problem started. (From the open Packer forum perspective). As I stated earlier 9 different people weighed in with their "slams" directed at partial. Some mocked him, some criticized him, some referred to earlier points (probably out of context) and you all kept it going, as you could clearly see he got angrier.

Then Ziggy weighed in about the "original slam" of his arm strength and he went off.

None of this is "cool". Taken collectively, it is exactly what I want to stop. Especially in the Packer room. Someone who doesn't have the history, doesn't understand that there are just a few folks who get "ganged up on". They rightly think, I'm not signing up, my comments will just get bashed like that. And they go elsewhere.

The 9 posters who slammed Partial are just a guilty as he is. My focus is going after the 1st comment. In this case, that's partial. In this thread, that was Justin Harrell. It isn't about "playing favorites", that's simply a BS diversion.

I'm asking all of you - just knock this crap off. If it doesn't have anything to do with you, don't weigh in. The comments weren't funny. It was 9 vs. 1 for a majority of the last 3 pages of the thread.

(Redacted for brevity)

I am also very, very tired of the "one liner" slam. There are 3 or 4 posters here that really enjoy engaging in those. One poster has been told he's on his final chance regarding those. One other poster hasn't yet been contacted. Those one-liners are a big part of starting these silly arguments like the Pete Schrager thread. I've got to end those things. They are causing good people to leave, regardless of their football perspective.

I have to say, (and I usually stay out of forum management stuff because it is the owners prerogative to do as they wish), I am more than a little confused by how you intend to operate, or how you expect us to participate. If any slam, no matter how slight, puts you on alert, we as posters are being asked to offer our opinions but never respond or debate.

"One liners" are out? These are sometimes the most effective way to accentuate the absurdity of an argument. If its a personal slam, I understand maybe (but see the next paragraph); but what about a comment directed clearly against the argument? Again, you are stifling debate.

I have no idea how far back your history with this site goes, but there are some unique personalities, pseudo-personalities and feigned relationships. Some of the one-line slams are good-natured jabs recognizing that history.

As for "ganging up" on a poster, yes maybe it does happen from time to time. However, many times it is evidence of a board in full self-regulating mode. When a bunch of regulars gang up on a regular there is usually a reason for it. Self-regulation is not a bad thing.

Expecting anonymous posters to simply ignore the outrageous posts of others is a laudable goal, but completely unrealistic. Many can't do it in face to face situations, how can you expect them to when veiled by the anonymity of a Packerrat name and personality?

I know you mean well. I appreciate your goals. I appreciate this board. One of the things that made it its very best in the past was the aggressive, but well-reasoned debate that occurred on here. You run the real risk of killing that if I understand your lengthy explanation

I thought of sending this by PM to you, but decided to post it as a long time regular, because I think it is worthy of discussion. Perhaps I am wrong in my understanding of your explanation; but, if I am, I suspect others are too, so discussion is in order. If I am off base, I expect other Packerrats will "explain" the errors of my ways to me! :lol:

[Scott Campbell]

+ 1


You'd be a terrific moderator.

:lol: Now you'll hate me.

[SkinBasket]

Admin,

I would agree with most of what you posted, and I really hope you understand I was more trying to illustrate why some of us might be under the impression of some posters being treated differently than accusing you of outright doing so. You explained why and how that was. Fair enough.

The only thing I think we're going to continue to disagree on is that when someone makes comments that elicit a lot of "slam" responses, like Partial's post, it's almost entirely the result of the reputation that he's built over the years, and a lot of that comes from numerous episodes just like this one. I'm sure Harvey was still not happy about Partial's comments toward him a couple weeks ago in one of those Vince Young threads where he was called a prick and a troll for not agreeing with him. The same one where Partial called Chevelle a nobody and told him to shut up in response to a well reasoned and researched post.

I don't think anyone who's remained civil and been respectful of others has ever been randomly "ganged up on."

I do applaud the effort of splitting the thread and continuing the debate in the romper room.

[Scott Campbell]

I do applaud the effort of splitting the thread and continuing the debate in the romper room.


+ 1

[Partial]

Some of you guys are just :lol: Admin, I applaud you for actually looking at things objectively and intelligently. As a scientist, I approach things in a similar manner.

DFC? I again, reiterate, how is the worse than being called retarded? I think being called retarded is FAR more offensive. Someone please explain this to me and why its okay to attack me, yet when I respond in similar fashion, I'm the one completely out of line?

I accept responsibility for my actions, do you?

[Scott Campbell]

I accept responsibility for my actions, do you?


Why should I accept responsibility for your actions?


What the heck. I will, even if it makes no sense.


Ziggy,

Please accept my sincere apology for Partial calling you a DFC. I will try not to let him do it again.

Your retarded pal,

Scott

[GBRulz]

and TNT advertises that they know drama....

[Patler]

Some of you guys are just :lol: Admin, I applaud you for actually looking at things objectively and intelligently. As a scientist, I approach things in a similar manner.

DFC? I again, reiterate, how is the worse than being called retarded? I think being called retarded is FAR more offensive. Someone please explain this to me and why its okay to attack me, yet when I respond in similar fashion, I'm the one completely out of line?

I accept responsibility for my actions, do you?

If you truly used a scientific approach to this you would understand that there is no correlation between the rightness or wrongness of what you wrote and the rightness or wrongness of what you perceive has been written to or about you. Neither makes the other right or wrong. Each are independent acts.

[falco]

I never call a woman a cunt until I have proved both the theorem and its corollary. (and backed it with empirical evidence).

But that's just the way I was brought up.

[Little Whiskey]

The culture of packerrats was formed around the assumption that nothing would be censored unless it had to do with a violation of someone's personal information. (Which goes back to the reason this whole place was formed. Otherwise we would all be posting at sportsbubbler instead.) this forum was to self moderate. if your going to change that its going to take some time, and you're going to lose some valued contributors as well.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'll try to keep this as concise as possible. First, I would argue that if you can't read all the threads, which is understandable, that maybe it's time to find a moderator. Otherwise, it puts you in a poor position to chastise people in one thread while a flame rages out of control in another. That's not meant as some kind of jab against you, simply a way to avoid this kind of problem in the future.

Second, I believe, though I could be wrong, that I've only said that it gives the appearance that some people are being treated differently, and that's why some people feel that way, not that you necessarily are doing it intentionally. I stated that some people here obviously felt that some posters were being treated differently than others when it comes to what is and isn't acceptable to post before they're chastised by the Administrator. You denied that, so I posted the examples as a demonstration of why that could be.

Of course the examples I gave were "skewed." I was making the point that the poster you defended in one thread was simultaneously degrading people in a much, much worse fashion in another without consequence. You've explained that it's because you hadn't read that thread, which is fine, but I would still maintain that someone claiming a guy can't throw a football doesn't rise to a response of calling people little bitches and cunts. That's the gig though. Flame out, then claim victimization afterward.

I don't get your point about this coming from me being "bullshit." Yeah, you stopped Partial's personal attacks against me. That was nice and I appreciated it. but does that mean I can't say anything when he then attacks someone else or when I see what appears to be a discrepancy in how posters are being treated? I guess if you're going to equate what JH posted with everything Partial did, I can't stop you. But for someone who wants to be "fair" I find that a tough argument to carry.

Nutz, this is the dumbest shit I've heard from you in five years. IT sounds like you took ecstacy and typed this on your laptop while watching pro wrestling on TV.

Get a grip, man.

[Scott Campbell]

http://www.markfineart.com/Pig%20Race%20Series/Bronze%20Medal.jpg

[Harlan Huckleby]

The culture of packerrats was formed around the assumption that nothing would be censored unless it had to do with a violation of someone's personal information. (Which goes back to the reason this whole place was formed. Otherwise we would all be posting at sportsbubbler instead.) this forum was to self moderate. if your going to change that its going to take some time, and you're going to lose some valued contributors as well.

QFT

I do think Administrator is being very fair, though. He doesn't have any axes to grind. He's trying to institute his own vision of what "civility" means. I guess about half the membership agree 100% with him, for what its worth.

I think Administrator has set himself up for a difficult task. I'm particularly puzzled why Admin thinks people would only criticize him or others "in private." Or people will ever refrain from responding to discussions just because they don't involve them.

Good luck with that! :lol:

[GrnBay007]

One owner/operator was already driven off. Lets try not to do the same with the new one.

[SkinBasket]

Some of you guys are just :lol: Admin, I applaud you for actually looking at things objectively and intelligently. As a scientist, I approach things in a similar manner.

DFC? I again, reiterate, how is the worse than being called retarded? I think being called retarded is FAR more offensive. Someone please explain this to me and why its okay to attack me, yet when I respond in similar fashion, I'm the one completely out of line?

I accept responsibility for my actions, do you?

Is this your version of an apology?

[HarveyWallbangers]

My 'mode of operation' in the last two months has been to look at who started the original comment. Partial clearly did here. Then he and Harvey escalated it, and neither would back down. Then a bunch of other people that had nothing to do with the situation had to weigh in with insults of their own.

So, I get called out for finally slamming Partial after he got personal several times (while I held my tongue).




Young has a winning record, went to the playoffs, and has come from behind victories pulling it out for his team. What has Rodgers done besides throw for a lot of yards that ultimately had very little effect on winning games?

Young had a defense that could stop his opponent more than once in six tries after he led his offense to the game tying or leading score in the final six minutes of a game. BTW, the Packers defense gave up 381 points last year. They ranked 31st in 4th quarter scoring defense. The Titans defense gave up 297 points in 2007. It's laughable comparing Vince Young to Aaron Rodgers right now, but I wouldn't expect more out of you.

... Don't be a prick Harv.



Wow, I put together a well thought out post with actual numbers and Harv da troll as of late completely ignores it to post more north korea style propaganda. I lost a lot of respect for you bangers.

Way to make it personally.

BTW, I've never said it was entirely the defense. I'd say it's 10% teams, 20% offense, and 70% defense. If the defense had even been average stopping teams late, the Packers have a winning record.

I think it's unreasonable to expect the offense to have to make two game winning comebacks in the last 6 minutes of games so often. That I blame on the defense. Rodgers did a fantastic job of bringing the Packers back in the second half of the 4th quarter in a lot of games. He just didn't do it much in the last two minutes. Then again, when he did do it, either the defense still gave up a late score (once or twice) or the kicker missed a FG (twice). Many people (probably not Partial still) would look at Rodgers late game heroics differently if the defense had made more stops or Crosby had made one or both of those kicks.

Defenses have an advantage late in those situations. More times than not, the defense will hold late. Just look at Brett Favre's record in a games the Packers trailed by less than a TD in the 4th quarter. Well under .500. Hell, a good offense will score 3 TDs and 1 FG on average in a game, and a team usually has at least 12 possessions. Thus, the rate at which a team scores on a drive is probably somewhere around 25%. For the defense to give up the winning score in 6 of 7 games in the last 6 minutes of a close game is just horrible.


Bush is not a top 99 player. That would put him, on average, as the 3rd best player on each team. I can think of at least 3 or 4 Packers (Rodgers, Jennings, Kampman, Woodson) I would take over him, a handful of Bears (Forte, Cutler, Harris, Briggs, Urlacher, Tillman) and Vikings (Peterson, Hutchinson, Kevin Williams, Allen, Winfield) over him. Detroit might be the only team that he would be one of the three best players on. We haven't even gotten to the likes of New England (Brady, Moss, Mankins, Seymour, Wilfork) and Pittsburgh (Big Ben, Parker, Smith, Harrison, Farrior, Polamalu). I don't think he's even close to the top 99. Sure, he's good in his role, but he's just not big enough to carry a big load (see the injuries and ineffective running inside), and that's a huge downgrade.


I love how you state everything as a definitive fact. Says who he's not a top 99 player? You? Who are you? This site, in their opinion, thinks he is, and they're more credible than you, so... Perhaps you should try saying something like this.

"I think ___ (is/is not) ____, because ____ does _____ imo.

I think your list of players is by and large BS.

After awhile, you get tired of the bull.

[Harlan Huckleby]

One owner/operator was already driven off. Lets try not to do the same with the new one.

He was not driven off, HE RETIRED. The organization had to move on.

Hero worship is a terrible thing. He brought his problems on himself, no injustice was done to that prima donna.

[Joemailman]

One owner/operator was already driven off. Lets try not to do the same with the new one.

He was not driven off, HE RETIRED. The organization had to move on.

Hero worship is a terrible thing. He brought his problems on himself, no injustice was done to that prima donna.

Have you no respect for what he contributed over the years? His impact can't be measured by posts or any other stat. It was the pure joy he brought that I will remember. Sure he may have had some personal problems, but who doesn't? Will you still be a hater when he is inducted into the Packerrat Hall Of Fame?

[GrnBay007]

:lol:

Pretty witty there boys.

I miss our Mad Mexican Amigo. Is he keeping in contact with anyone? Don't see him around here.

[Scott Campbell]

:lol:

Pretty witty there boys.

I miss our Mad Mexican Amigo. Is he keeping in contact with anyone? Don't see him around here.


He's welcome at my house anytime.

As long as he brings his leaf blower.

[Harlan Huckleby]

So, I get called out for finally slamming Partial after he got personal several times (while I held my tongue).

I get so tired of whining from HarveyWallbanger.

We're finally seeing some action taken against longtime trouble makers like Wallbanger and Falco, and I for one applaud the delousing of the forum.

[Deputy Nutz]

:lol:

Pretty witty there boys.

I miss our Mad Mexican Amigo. Is he keeping in contact with anyone? Don't see him around here.

Well he can go fuck himself with a Burrito the size of his head.

[Scott Campbell]

So, I get called out for finally slamming Partial after he got personal several times (while I held my tongue).

I get so tired of whining from HarveyWallbanger.

We're finally seeing some action taken against longtime trouble makers like Wallbanger and Falco, and I for one applaud the delousing of the forum.


I wish those smart ass guys could be more like the Viking fans. You know, straight up sports talk with a little humor sprinkled in.

That's ok though - they're on the "list". I'd give your left nut to peek at that list.

[GrnBay007]

Nutz, that was mean.

[Scott Campbell]

Nutz, that was mean.


What would you have used?

[Partial]

Some of you guys are just :lol: Admin, I applaud you for actually looking at things objectively and intelligently. As a scientist, I approach things in a similar manner.

DFC? I again, reiterate, how is the worse than being called retarded? I think being called retarded is FAR more offensive. Someone please explain this to me and why its okay to attack me, yet when I respond in similar fashion, I'm the one completely out of line?

I accept responsibility for my actions, do you?

Is this your version of an apology?

What am I apologizing for, exactly?

[Partial]

My 'mode of operation' in the last two months has been to look at who started the original comment. Partial clearly did here. Then he and Harvey escalated it, and neither would back down. Then a bunch of other people that had nothing to do with the situation had to weigh in with insults of their own.

So, I get called out for finally slamming Partial after he got personal several times (while I held my tongue).




Young has a winning record, went to the playoffs, and has come from behind victories pulling it out for his team. What has Rodgers done besides throw for a lot of yards that ultimately had very little effect on winning games?

Young had a defense that could stop his opponent more than once in six tries after he led his offense to the game tying or leading score in the final six minutes of a game. BTW, the Packers defense gave up 381 points last year. They ranked 31st in 4th quarter scoring defense. The Titans defense gave up 297 points in 2007. It's laughable comparing Vince Young to Aaron Rodgers right now, but I wouldn't expect more out of you.

... Don't be a prick Harv.



Wow, I put together a well thought out post with actual numbers and Harv da troll as of late completely ignores it to post more north korea style propaganda. I lost a lot of respect for you bangers.

Way to make it personally.

BTW, I've never said it was entirely the defense. I'd say it's 10% teams, 20% offense, and 70% defense. If the defense had even been average stopping teams late, the Packers have a winning record.

I think it's unreasonable to expect the offense to have to make two game winning comebacks in the last 6 minutes of games so often. That I blame on the defense. Rodgers did a fantastic job of bringing the Packers back in the second half of the 4th quarter in a lot of games. He just didn't do it much in the last two minutes. Then again, when he did do it, either the defense still gave up a late score (once or twice) or the kicker missed a FG (twice). Many people (probably not Partial still) would look at Rodgers late game heroics differently if the defense had made more stops or Crosby had made one or both of those kicks.

Defenses have an advantage late in those situations. More times than not, the defense will hold late. Just look at Brett Favre's record in a games the Packers trailed by less than a TD in the 4th quarter. Well under .500. Hell, a good offense will score 3 TDs and 1 FG on average in a game, and a team usually has at least 12 possessions. Thus, the rate at which a team scores on a drive is probably somewhere around 25%. For the defense to give up the winning score in 6 of 7 games in the last 6 minutes of a close game is just horrible.


Bush is not a top 99 player. That would put him, on average, as the 3rd best player on each team. I can think of at least 3 or 4 Packers (Rodgers, Jennings, Kampman, Woodson) I would take over him, a handful of Bears (Forte, Cutler, Harris, Briggs, Urlacher, Tillman) and Vikings (Peterson, Hutchinson, Kevin Williams, Allen, Winfield) over him. Detroit might be the only team that he would be one of the three best players on. We haven't even gotten to the likes of New England (Brady, Moss, Mankins, Seymour, Wilfork) and Pittsburgh (Big Ben, Parker, Smith, Harrison, Farrior, Polamalu). I don't think he's even close to the top 99. Sure, he's good in his role, but he's just not big enough to carry a big load (see the injuries and ineffective running inside), and that's a huge downgrade.


I love how you state everything as a definitive fact. Says who he's not a top 99 player? You? Who are you? This site, in their opinion, thinks he is, and they're more credible than you, so... Perhaps you should try saying something like this.

"I think ___ (is/is not) ____, because ____ does _____ imo.

I think your list of players is by and large BS.

After awhile, you get tired of the bull.

Talk about slanting an argument. Propaganda right here.

[Freak Out]

Priceless shit in here. :lol: Road show type treasures.

[Scott Campbell]

Some of you guys are just :lol: Admin, I applaud you for actually looking at things objectively and intelligently. As a scientist, I approach things in a similar manner.

DFC? I again, reiterate, how is the worse than being called retarded? I think being called retarded is FAR more offensive. Someone please explain this to me and why its okay to attack me, yet when I respond in similar fashion, I'm the one completely out of line?

I accept responsibility for my actions, do you?

Is this your version of an apology?

What am I apologizing for, exactly?


Don't sweat it. I took care of it already.

[Zool]

Nutz, that was mean.


What would you have used?

Churro?

[SkinBasket]

Some of you guys are just :lol: Admin, I applaud you for actually looking at things objectively and intelligently. As a scientist, I approach things in a similar manner.

DFC? I again, reiterate, how is the worse than being called retarded? I think being called retarded is FAR more offensive. Someone please explain this to me and why its okay to attack me, yet when I respond in similar fashion, I'm the one completely out of line?

I accept responsibility for my actions, do you?

Is this your version of an apology?

What am I apologizing for, exactly?

Nothing. You're pure as driven snow.

[Freak Out]

Nutz, that was mean.


What would you have used?

Churro?

Chalupa? Tamale? Donkey?

[SkinBasket]

I'll try to keep this as concise as possible. First, I would argue that if you can't read all the threads, which is understandable, that maybe it's time to find a moderator. Otherwise, it puts you in a poor position to chastise people in one thread while a flame rages out of control in another. That's not meant as some kind of jab against you, simply a way to avoid this kind of problem in the future.

Second, I believe, though I could be wrong, that I've only said that it gives the appearance that some people are being treated differently, and that's why some people feel that way, not that you necessarily are doing it intentionally. I stated that some people here obviously felt that some posters were being treated differently than others when it comes to what is and isn't acceptable to post before they're chastised by the Administrator. You denied that, so I posted the examples as a demonstration of why that could be.

Of course the examples I gave were "skewed." I was making the point that the poster you defended in one thread was simultaneously degrading people in a much, much worse fashion in another without consequence. You've explained that it's because you hadn't read that thread, which is fine, but I would still maintain that someone claiming a guy can't throw a football doesn't rise to a response of calling people little bitches and cunts. That's the gig though. Flame out, then claim victimization afterward.

I don't get your point about this coming from me being "bullshit." Yeah, you stopped Partial's personal attacks against me. That was nice and I appreciated it. but does that mean I can't say anything when he then attacks someone else or when I see what appears to be a discrepancy in how posters are being treated? I guess if you're going to equate what JH posted with everything Partial did, I can't stop you. But for someone who wants to be "fair" I find that a tough argument to carry.

Nutz, this is the dumbest shit I've heard from you in five years. IT sounds like you took ecstacy and typed this on your laptop while watching pro wrestling on TV.

Get a grip, man.

Homo.

[Patler]

Some of you guys are just :lol: Admin, I applaud you for actually looking at things objectively and intelligently. As a scientist, I approach things in a similar manner.

DFC? I again, reiterate, how is the worse than being called retarded? I think being called retarded is FAR more offensive. Someone please explain this to me and why its okay to attack me, yet when I respond in similar fashion, I'm the one completely out of line?

I accept responsibility for my actions, do you?

Is this your version of an apology?

What am I apologizing for, exactly?

Just a suggestion here - you might try actually reading the Admin's last post in the locked thread. There is just a wee bit of a hint in it as to something you might consider apologizing for.

[Harlan Huckleby]

http://www.labambaburritos.com/images/aboutUs.jpg

BTW, Deputy Nutz didn't make-up that "Burrito as big as your head" thing. He stole it from La Bamba, a chain of mexican restaraunts in Madison. How typical, the white man rips off the brown man.

The original LaBamba off of State Street had a giant wall mural of hockey players with burrito heads, and one is puking what appears to be mexican food. Sureal, and definitely nutz's sort of place.

[SkinBasket]

flappy

[Deputy Nutz]

Nutz, that was mean.

Sure it was, but at least I didn't call him a "DFC".

[Administrator]

I have to say, (and I usually stay out of forum management stuff because it is the owners prerogative to do as they wish), I am more than a little confused by how you intend to operate, or how you expect us to participate. If any slam, no matter how slight, puts you on alert, we as posters are being asked to offer our opinions but never respond or debate.

"One liners" are out? These are sometimes the most effective way to accentuate the absurdity of an argument. If its a personal slam, I understand maybe (but see the next paragraph); but what about a comment directed clearly against the argument? Again, you are stifling debate.

I have no idea how far back your history with this site goes, but there are some unique personalities, pseudo-personalities and feigned relationships. Some of the one-line slams are good-natured jabs recognizing that history.

As for "ganging up" on a poster, yes maybe it does happen from time to time. However, many times it is evidence of a board in full self-regulating mode. When a bunch of regulars gang up on a regular there is usually a reason for it. Self-regulation is not a bad thing.

Expecting anonymous posters to simply ignore the outrageous posts of others is a laudable goal, but completely unrealistic. Many can't do it in face to face situations, how can you expect them to when veiled by the anonymity of a Packerrat name and personality?

I know you mean well. I appreciate your goals. I appreciate this board. One of the things that made it its very best in the past was the aggressive, but well-reasoned debate that occurred on here. You run the real risk of killing that if I understand your lengthy explanation

I thought of sending this by PM to you, but decided to post it as a long time regular, because I think it is worthy of discussion. Perhaps I am wrong in my understanding of your explanation; but, if I am, I suspect others are too, so discussion is in order. If I am off base, I expect other Packerrats will "explain" the errors of my ways to me! :lol:

Patler,

thanks for the comments.

I'm not trying to stifle debate at all, quite the opposite actually. I've received multiple PM's from long time members who are "taking a break". All said the same thing. They're tired of the same crowd slamming their opinions with smart cracks and personal attacks.

I have zero issues with one liner comments to individuals about past events or personal relationships, provided, that they are meant and taken, in good humor. That has ceased for many folks around here as the Favre drama made things personal.

I'd love to return to the "police yourself" philsophy. To do that, folks have to be willing to police themselves. Some are not willing to do that. The same 8 or 9 names keep coming up from almost everyone who has PM'ed me. Even those PM's in support of people have mentioned the same 8 or 9 names. It is a very small segment of folks that are causing the problems. It is kind of funny, even those voicing support for those 8 or 9 acknowledge that they cause problems. They just think they are funny and witty. I think they'd be complaining if the comments were directed at them, but they are funny when they aren't.

Patler, you've got enough wisdom and common sense to start distributing it to the less fortunate around here, myself included. I really appreciate you weighing in when you could have ignored it.

If I could come up with any way to change the tone, without restrictions, I'd do it. Sometimes you have to cut back further than you want to get the desired results. I don't want to police personal comments. But if the poster won't, I have to. I don't want anybody to leave. But the back door is open, and I can choose to leave it open, or, I can shove a few people through it involuntarily and then hopefully get it closed for a while.

I understand all the drama, and the sarcastic comments in this thread and others, but that isn't helping anyones cause. Multiple folks have told me that trying to meaningfully discuss anything with these folks won't work, and I'm inclined to agree. But, we have to try that before we bid them farewell.

[SkinBasket]

All I'll say is that I always thought the number was closer to 3 or 4. I guess one more if you include me and one less if you don't include Harlan.

Honestly, as much as I don't like some of the stuff that's been posted, I wouldn't want anyone banned, because for better or worse, that means losing interesting people and lively conversation. But on the flip side, I'm sure if we didn't have these huge flame outs from these few people there would be more room for the smaller smart ass comments and debate that actually has vim as well as vigor. The stuff that keeps the board unique and fun that I think a lot of us are worried about having taken away and that most of us can handle without losing our heads and going berserko loco.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

One owner/operator was already driven off. Lets try not to do the same with the new one.

will the nefarious TT never stop.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Sometimes you have to cut back further than you want to get the desired results.

Ty agrees. Sometimes you have to destroy the village to save it.

[Scott Campbell]

I've received multiple PM's from long time members who are "taking a break". All said the same thing. They're tired of the same crowd slamming their opinions with smart cracks and personal attacks.


I'm not sure what to make of this really. You can't be all things to all people. Some people are just natural complainers. How many members haven't complained? Are you disregarding their wishes by only listening to the complainers? Some people have thin skins. In your shoes, I'm not sure I'd turn my forum over to them. It's a football forum, not a sewing circle. Guys argue, and boys will be boys. And I think the girls mostly laugh at us.

And I wonder if you are unwittingly creating a culture of ratting each other out. I'm not sure it's productive to keep mentioning the "naughty list" unless you're going to publish it. Let them/us know who they/we are so they/we can go make other arrangements.

[Scott Campbell]

So, I get called out for finally slamming Partial after he got personal several times (while I held my tongue).

I get so tired of whining from HarveyWallbanger.

We're finally seeing some action taken against longtime trouble makers like Wallbanger and Falco, and I for one applaud the delousing of the forum.


I know this is tongue and cheek Harlan, but I'm going to comment further anyway.


Branding Harv as a troublemaker is like giving Ghandi a ticket for jaywalking. He's been nothing but a gentleman here for years, and years and years. He's one of the handful of guys that consistently go well out of their way to avoid any trouble.

I don't recall Falco stirring up much of anything either.

[Partial]

Harvey you were holding your tongue even less than I was buddy boy.

[SkinBasket]

My main concern is that the stated concerns of Administrator not only play right into these cyclical flame outs but in a sense enable them and that while some people who've been smart asses but have some pride are "shown the door" those who played the victim adequately will remain and nothing will change except we'll be down several unique posters.

[SkinBasket]

Harvey you were holding your tongue even less than I was buddy boy.

Really? After you guys started arguing you outposted him 10-5. I won't get into the language used, as that's already been covered, and I find it difficult to believe that you would argue that you were more the gentleman in that regard.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Ty would like to blame Bush for partail, but even Ty won't go that low.

[Scott Campbell]

All I'll say is that I always thought the number was closer to 3 or 4. I guess one more if you include me and one less if you don't include Harlan.


This is typically where Harlan starts a poll about who is on the "Naughty List".

[Harlan Huckleby]

People get the government they deserve.

[falco]

We're finally seeing some action taken against longtime trouble makers like Wallbanger and Falco, and I for one applaud the delousing of the forum.

I know you hated me from the minute you called me an idiot back on JSO. Even though you claimed LawyerJoe had created an account that spoofed your name, I knew you really meant it.

[falco]

I don't recall Falco stirring up much of anything either.

Certainly not for lack of effort. I'm just not that good at it I guess.

Most of the time I feel like my sarcastic yet witty comment go unnoticed.

I even started using punctuation and capitization, to no avail.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I don't recall Falco stirring up much of anything either.

Certainly not for lack of effort. I'm just not that good at it I guess.

Most of the time I feel like my sarcastic yet witty comment go unnoticed.

I even started using punctuation and capitization, to no avail.

This is your best effort? :wink:

[falco]

On a serious note (for once), I'd like to give my take on things here.

This place has been a community now for over 3 years...and the people here have been a community for probably a few years past that (I started posting on JSO in 2004).

This community left JSO because they needed protection from LJ (also Mike the admin was starting to delete threads). They went to CE, but quickly left when the administrator there tried to censor them a bit (so that they didn't offend the religious members of the board).

Harlan and MTP did a good job here by being relatively hands off. Yes, there were mods, and yes people occasionally got banned for short periods of time. MTP would occasionally pipe in to yell at someone, but it was never really back with any teeth. Any even when it was, he and the mods were longstanding members of the community and everyone was allowed to voice their opinion.

Admin - I respect what you are trying to do and honestly believe that you want to make this board a great place to be. But I honestly think it is heading down a dangerous path for you. This crowd is already bristling as you, an anonymous lurker who all of a sudden appeared and took over the forum, who launches threats and alienates long standing members of the forum. I've been singled out several times, although my behavior never warranted a comment into the years prior to your reign.

I think you've crossed the tipping point and it is only a matter of time before you've alienated enough of the board members that this place will become a ghost town and they will have gone somewhere else - to a place where they again feel like they have some ownership.

I hope you can get a good pulse on how this community functions and what role an administrator here really needs to play. It certainly belongs to you now, but a forum is a community and without its members it is nothing.

And as a final note, I'm not sure if you included me in your list of 8 to 9 troublemakers, and you've never contacted me personally to tell me I am, but if so, I think you are way off base.

[falco]

I don't recall Falco stirring up much of anything either.

Certainly not for lack of effort. I'm just not that good at it I guess.

Most of the time I feel like my sarcastic yet witty comment go unnoticed.

I even started using punctuation and capitization, to no avail.

This is your best effort? :wink:

You'll notice I didn't mention correct spelling or syntax.

[hoosier]

So, I get called out for finally slamming Partial after he got personal several times (while I held my tongue).

I get so tired of whining from HarveyWallbanger.

We're finally seeing some action taken against longtime trouble makers like Wallbanger and Falco, and I for one applaud the delousing of the forum.


I know this is tongue and cheek Harlan, but I'm going to comment further anyway.


Branding Harv as a troublemaker is like giving Ghandi a ticket for jaywalking. He's been nothing but a gentleman here for years, and years and years. He's one of the handful of guys that consistently go well out of their way to avoid any trouble.

I don't recall Falco stirring up much of anything either.

What was that you said about thin skins again? :lol:

[Scott Campbell]

What was that you said about thin skins again? :lol:


Well, everybody has their moments I guess. :oops:



(edit)

At first I thought you were talking about me, but now notice that you may be poking fun at falco. I never got that impression about him.

[Partial]

Harvey you were holding your tongue even less than I was buddy boy.

Really? After you guys started arguing you outposted him 10-5. I won't get into the language used, as that's already been covered, and I find it difficult to believe that you would argue that you were more the gentleman in that regard.

See the Admin's post. Gotta respond to everyone who thinks its okay to gang rape a poster.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I thought what happened at the posters game was supposed to stay at the posters game.

[Scott Campbell]

I thought what happened at the posters game was supposed to stay at the posters game.

:lol:

I'm going to miss you when you get banned. Or when I get banned. Or when we both get banned.

[falco]

What was that you said about thin skins again? :lol:


Well, everybody has their moments I guess. :oops:



(edit)

At first I thought you were talking about me, but now notice that you may be poking fun at falco. I never got that impression about him.

Unfortunately I think I'm missing something here...
:?: :?:

[falco]

I thought what happened at the posters game was supposed to stay at the posters game.

:lol:

I'm going to miss you when you get banned. Or when I get banned. Or when we both get banned.

Harlan only leaves on his own freewill, with long, dramatic farewell posts, only to return a few weeks later when he gets bored. :P

[falco]

Unfortunately I think I'm missing something here...
:?: :?:

Perhaps you're referencing my post to Harlan earlier - it was all tongue in cheek. Back in the day LJ impersonated people by adding a space or underscore or something after their name to create a spoof account. My feelings were genuine hurt one day when Harlan called me some names... I later found it wasn't really him, but LJ. I give him a hard time about it to this day.

[Scott Campbell]

I thought what happened at the posters game was supposed to stay at the posters game.

:lol:

I'm going to miss you when you get banned. Or when I get banned. Or when we both get banned.

Harlan only leaves on his own freewill, with long, dramatic farewell posts, only to return a few weeks later when he gets bored. :P


Source?

[falco]

I thought what happened at the posters game was supposed to stay at the posters game.

:lol:

I'm going to miss you when you get banned. Or when I get banned. Or when we both get banned.

Harlan only leaves on his own freewill, with long, dramatic farewell posts, only to return a few weeks later when he gets bored. :P


Source?

Not sure, but you could try googling "Harlan farewell speech."

There was also a good parody of it in a thread somewhere...but I'm either too lazy or technically incompetent to pull it up.

[falco]

I was searching for Harlan's farewell speech and found this:

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=8271&highlight=goodbye

Hard to believe tophat has been gone almost two years. Wonder what he is up to nowadays.

EDIT: changed link - sorry

[falco]

boy, you look at some of these old threads and see some names of posters long bygone and just wonder where they are at.

[retailguy]

boy, you look at some of these old threads and see some names of posters long bygone and just wonder where they are at.

I kind of think that might be the admin's point. Too many folks are gone for it to be a coincidence.

After reading this thread, I'm damn grateful I'm out of this.... Back into hiding. See you later.... :)

[falco]

I actually meant long gone, like JSR, tophat, 4and12to12and4, etc. But your point is well taken also.

[SkinBasket]

Harvey you were holding your tongue even less than I was buddy boy.

Really? After you guys started arguing you outposted him 10-5. I won't get into the language used, as that's already been covered, and I find it difficult to believe that you would argue that you were more the gentleman in that regard.

See the Admin's post. Gotta respond to everyone who thinks its okay to gang rape a poster.

Maybe if you weren't calling two of the most long standing and respected posters little bitches, jags, and cunts, this wouldn't be a problem. Just a thought.

One other thing I want to clarify for Administrator. Claiming Partial cannot throw a football is not an insult. It is a simple fact that anyone and everyone that has witnessed seems in agreement on. I'm not going to say that's a bad thing or something to be embarrassed about. I have short fingers. I can't throw a football over 20 yards worth a damn. But I'm not going to tell everyone I'm tossing 40 yard rockets when I'm scuffing the street 15 yards out - 10 yards short of my target and there's a dozen people watching. Not judging, but watching.

I'm not here telling everyone I have flowing locks of Fabio hair. And if I did, I would expect some people to wonder what the fuck I'm talking about, not berating them as liars, cunts, and bitches.

[Partial]

Harvey you were holding your tongue even less than I was buddy boy.

Really? After you guys started arguing you outposted him 10-5. I won't get into the language used, as that's already been covered, and I find it difficult to believe that you would argue that you were more the gentleman in that regard.

See the Admin's post. Gotta respond to everyone who thinks its okay to gang rape a poster.

Maybe if you weren't calling two of the most long standing and respected posters little bitches, jags, and cunts, this wouldn't be a problem. Just a thought.

Perhaps they shouldn't have acted as such in their attacking response to a long standing and respected poster.


One other thing I want to clarify for Administrator. Claiming Partial cannot throw a football is not an insult.

Absolutely is given the context of the forum.


It is a simple fact that anyone and everyone that has witnessed seems in agreement on.

And the lies continue.


I'm not going to say that's a bad thing or something to be embarrassed about. I have short fingers. I can't throw a football over 20 yards worth a damn.

Sucks for you. Oh, and small hands.... well, you know the rest


But I'm not going to tell everyone I'm tossing 40 yard rockets when I'm scuffing the street 15 yards out - 10 yards short of my target and there's a dozen people watching. Not judging, but watching.

Yet another lie. I don't understand how you can be up on your high horse preaching when you're nothing but a dirty liar. If you are going to make a claim like this, then man up and prove it. Assuming you cannot, I would advise you to STFU.


I'm not here telling everyone I have flowing locks of Fabio hair. And if I did, I would expect some people to wonder what the fuck I'm talking about, not berating them as liars, cunts, and bitches.

I didn't tell anyone about my ability to throw a football. Harvey brought up a personal statement that goes against the "What happesn in GB stays in GB" slogan, making him a backstabbing traitor. Besides that, it's not even true, and it didn't do anything beyond result in people ganging up on me and perpetuating the poor behavior here.

The situation is pose is not at all similar, as:
A) you brought up said piece of information
B) Assuming you're not lying, it would be a truthful statement, unlike Harvs
C) It isn't violated a discussed pact
D) It's about yourself, not someone else
E) Posting about a hair on a football forum is irrelevant, where as discussing football skills has to do with the topic at hand, thus having an effect on credibility.

I'm a peaceful creature and will only attack when backed into a corner. I'm sick of the crap. Somewhere along the line everyone thought it was cool to attack me. Ridiculous, because I consider myself a top 15 knowledgeable football poster here. Ziggy loves to tell me that I'm wrong and this and this and that, and ignore facts, etc for the simple joy of her flaming me. Pretty sad, imo.

People are outragged over ONE comment that I've made, but have failed to acknowledge being told my opinion is BS by CPK frequently, being called an idiot, retard, dumb ass -- which are much worse imo and most peoples opinion than some body part that over 50% of the population has --, been passive-aggressively attacked multiple times without having any reason within the context of said post, etc. It's ridiculous. I've had people post personal images of me which violate the very foundation of which this forum was founded upon. Get off my nuts, guy.

[Deputy Nutz]

boy, you look at some of these old threads and see some names of posters long bygone and just wonder where they are at.

I kind of think that might be the admin's point. Too many folks are gone for it to be a coincidence.

After reading this thread, I'm damn grateful I'm out of this.... Back into hiding. See you later.... :)

See this is almost as useless as the rest of the banter that has been going on here. Nothing positive or thought provoking.

I would like to thank people like Patler, and Skinbasket for at least coming up with some ideas to keep this forum running correctly. Over the past two summers the forum has gotten compeletly out of wack with the Favre situation. During the 2008 season everything seemed to flow alright. Even this off-season things were ok, but "Summer of Favre II" has flopped this place on it's head. It will get back to normal, nothing drastic needs to be done, unless you actually want to set forth a base set of rules and consequences.

For those that have gone to the admin with complaints, grow up. If you want to leave, why make a stink over it? Better yet, pm the person you are having issues with and tell them that you don't find their responses to your posts all that helpful with in the contexts of the thread.

Bretsky, I really hope you are not one of these people.

[Scott Campbell]

Ridiculous, because I consider myself a top 15 knowledgeable football poster here.


That's nice that you think so highly of yourself, but what other people think of you is a lot more important. Did you ever stop to think about why you've become the forum whipping boy? It's not like people gathered together and picked your name out of a hat. You've alienated most everybody that used to be supportive, and yet you keep going after people harder, and harder, and harder.

How's that working out for you? At some point you need to think about changing yourself, because you're not going to change everybody else.

[Partial]

Ridiculous, because I consider myself a top 15 knowledgeable football poster here.


That's nice that you think so highly of yourself, but what other people think of you is a lot more important. Did you ever stop to think about why you've become the forum whipping boy? It's not like people gathered together and picked your name out of a hat.

Because I'm not a homer and I have differing opinions. Some people can not look past that and its very sad. My name calling only started when others preceded. I'm not justifying it through two wrongs make a right, I'm saying that I'm snapping because quite frankly I'm fed up and disgusted with this forum and as a result have been coming around less and less.

It's terrible that a few people with differing opinions like RG and I are constantly bashed. Two people, might I add, who helped establish this forum and provide all of the attackers the ability to do so.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Perhaps they shouldn't have acted as such in their attacking response to a long standing and respected poster.

Respected? Really? :lol:

[Scott Campbell]

Ridiculous, because I consider myself a top 15 knowledgeable football poster here.


That's nice that you think so highly of yourself, but what other people think of you is a lot more important. Did you ever stop to think about why you've become the forum whipping boy? It's not like people gathered together and picked your name out of a hat.

Because I'm not a homer and I have differing opinions. Some people can not look past that and its very sad. My name calling only started when others preceded. I'm not justifying it through two wrongs make a right, I'm saying that I'm snapping because quite frankly I'm fed up and disgusted with this forum and as a result have been coming around less and less.

It's terrible that a few people with differing opinions like RG and I are constantly bashed. Two people, might I add, who helped establish this forum and provide all of the attackers the ability to do so.


As somebody who has liked you for years, I am here to tell you it ain't your views. It's your delivery.

[Scott Campbell]

You haven't killed any babies P. You're not a bad guy. You can fix this.

[Deputy Nutz]

I didn't tell anyone about my ability to throw a football. Harvey brought up a personal statement that goes against the "What happesn in GB stays in GB" slogan, making him a backstabbing traitor. Besides that, it's not even true, and it didn't do anything beyond result in people ganging up on me and perpetuating the poor behavior here.

The situation is pose is not at all similar, as:
A) you brought up said piece of information
B) Assuming you're not lying, it would be a truthful statement, unlike Harvs
C) It isn't violated a discussed pact
D) It's about yourself, not someone else
E) Posting about a hair on a football forum is irrelevant, where as discussing football skills has to do with the topic at hand, thus having an effect on credibility.

I'm a peaceful creature and will only attack when backed into a corner. I'm sick of the crap. Somewhere along the line everyone thought it was cool to attack me. Ridiculous, because I consider myself a top 15 knowledgeable football poster here. Ziggy loves to tell me that I'm wrong and this and this and that, and ignore facts, etc for the simple joy of her flaming me. Pretty sad, imo.

I had a catch of football with you a couple of years ago. It didn't seem at the time you had the arm strength or the physical capabilities to throw the ball as far as you have claimed in past threads. If your arm has improved that much over the last couple of years, congrats. It was time well wasted as I can see that skill getting you almost no where in the future, unless you are putting a team together for a recreation flag football team.

Regardless it doesn't really fucking matter how far you can throw a football. If you want say you throw a ball 60 yards, great! It is a forum, why not lie?

Anyways Partial, I personally have never measured myself or ranked myself amongst other posters here. How does it make you feel? Should I try it?

Things have gone goofy the past couple of years for you on this forum, I found it a bit funny, your first post in this thread, going after Harvey was so hypocritical. Everytime you post something on here, you make yourself sound like Moses.

Sorry, I am not trying to judge you, I think you might be an all right guy, and I do feel you have been the "beaten red headed step child" of this board for some time. It is easy for people to pick on you because they see some of the others do it, then it sort of turns into a mob attacking everything you say, and in some instances they join sides against you just so they feel popular on these forum.

At the same time, why? It is like the kid in school that probably had some disorder, OCD, or some social disorder where they have to have everything a certain way, and they had to insist and debate constantly, they always had to be right. It was funny when they would argue with the teacher. I think if you quite possibly look in the mirror and decide whether you think you could possibly make life easier for yourself around year by making a couple of slight forum personality changes then maybe things would calm down in the sense of "Partial verse the Forum" situation that seems to arise every time you happen to post. You can't change others, but you can make some changes for yourself.

[Scott Campbell]

It's terrible that a few people with differing opinions like RG and I are constantly bashed.


RG gets plenty of respect here, despite a lot of ball busting. I see him as someone who adapted his approach.

Nobody tows the contrarian line around here more than Wist, and he's well respected, and treated nearly universally with respect.

[Harlan Huckleby]

It appears to me that most of this squabbling could be settled with a punt, pass and kick competition.

[Scott Campbell]

It appears to me that most of this squabbling could be settled with a punt, pass and kick competition.


Better leave out the passing - it's a sore subject.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

It's terrible that a few people with differing opinions like RG and I are constantly bashed.


RG gets plenty of respect here, despite a lot of ball busting. I see him as someone who adapted his approach.

Nobody tows the contrarian line around here more than Wist, and he's well respected, and treated nearly universally with respect.

RG gets most of his busting due to his delivery as well (sanctimonious, etc). But, unlike Partial, RG will occasionally man up and admit he is wrong.

[Partial]

It's terrible that a few people with differing opinions like RG and I are constantly bashed.


RG gets plenty of respect here, despite a lot of ball busting. I see him as someone who adapted his approach.

Nobody tows the contrarian line around here more than Wist, and he's well respected, and treated nearly universally with respect.

RG gets most of his busting due to his delivery as well (sanctimonious, etc). But, unlike Partial, RG will occasionally man up and admit he is wrong.

Nonsense. I'm more than willing to admit when I'm wrong. Funny, that you're the one making this statement :lol:

[Tyrone Bigguns]

It's terrible that a few people with differing opinions like RG and I are constantly bashed.


RG gets plenty of respect here, despite a lot of ball busting. I see him as someone who adapted his approach.

Nobody tows the contrarian line around here more than Wist, and he's well respected, and treated nearly universally with respect.

RG gets most of his busting due to his delivery as well (sanctimonious, etc). But, unlike Partial, RG will occasionally man up and admit he is wrong.

Nonsense. I'm more than willing to admit when I'm wrong. Funny, that you're the one making this statement :lol:

The admin, etc. are calling for you to apologize, you won't.

I regularly man up....check out the iowa thread...said i was wrong for calling someone a jerk.

I'll leave you with the lyrics of wilco, describes you to a tee:


It's become so obvious
You are so oblivious to yourself

[Scott Campbell]

Tyrone, how bout giving him a little room here?

[HarveyWallbangers]

I didn't tell anyone about my ability to throw a football. Harvey brought up a personal statement that goes against the "What happesn in GB stays in GB" slogan, making him a backstabbing traitor.

After you called me a prick, a troll (and likened me to giving out North Korea like propoganda), and belittling my opinion by asking "who are you?" because I dared disagree with you on Reggie Bush. At least, you didn't call me a DFC. Don't make it personal, and things won't get out of hand. If you don't respond to my posts, I won't respond to your posts. Deal?

[Scott Campbell]

Don't make it personal, and things won't get out of hand.


And don't take it personal. If somebody gets bent out of shape over their throwing motion or whatever, this pack of piranhas will smell blood in the water and eat you alive. That's kind of how ball busting works. He with the thickest skin wins.

Would anyone really think more of Partial if he could throw a football like Harold Carmichael?

[falco]

The sad thing is, Partial reminds me a lot (okay, maybe just a little) of myself when I was younger. Funny how the older you get, the less you know. The world looks awfully simple at 20.

[Scott Campbell]

The sad thing is, Partial reminds me a lot (okay, maybe just a little) of myself when I was younger.


Same here. And I'm sure that can be no comfort to him.

[Partial]

I didn't tell anyone about my ability to throw a football. Harvey brought up a personal statement that goes against the "What happesn in GB stays in GB" slogan, making him a backstabbing traitor.

After you called me a prick, a troll (and likened me to giving out North Korea like propoganda), and belittling my opinion by asking "who are you?" because I dared disagree with you on Reggie Bush. At least, you didn't call me a DFC. Don't make it personal, and things won't get out of hand. If you don't respond to my posts, I won't respond to your posts. Deal?

Actually you started this months ago. Don't put it on me when you got personal first. This is the kind of behavior that is completely ridiculous.

I don't care if you disagree about Reggie Bush. Don't try to make me a bad guy. I enjoy debating with you so no deal as you're a top 3 poster here when you're not taking pot shots.

[Deputy Nutz]

I didn't tell anyone about my ability to throw a football. Harvey brought up a personal statement that goes against the "What happesn in GB stays in GB" slogan, making him a backstabbing traitor.

After you called me a prick, a troll (and likened me to giving out North Korea like propoganda), and belittling my opinion by asking "who are you?" because I dared disagree with you on Reggie Bush. At least, you didn't call me a DFC. Don't make it personal, and things won't get out of hand. If you don't respond to my posts, I won't respond to your posts. Deal?



Partial is preparing for zombie day at work tomorrow. He loves his job!!

Partial is very happy with the trade of cubicle for a giant team room.

Partial is a huge fan of the afternoon football breaks his coworkers and him enjoy.

Partial is pretty happy that he can throw a football 40 yards on a line by his rough estimation.

Partial you did bring up your ability to throw a football go look on your Facebook page in the Garbage Can.

[SkinBasket]

Partial you did bring up your ability to throw a football go look on your Facebook page in the Garbage Can.

And that wasn't the only time. Partial, no one is defending your claims. Do you think that's because they don't like you and want to gang up on you to make you feel less smart, powerful, or important or because they don't believe them to be true?

You could ask this same question every time you feel "attacked" - if you cared to.

Your response to my post typifies how this gets out of hand for you on a regular basis. You make a claim or post that several posters believe is complete nonsense designed to elicit a response or simply not true. When they reply, you insult them, claiming you're justified in insulting others because they're disrespecting you or your opinion and you're just calling a spade a spade. You take any little thing you can out of a post and reply with insults, in this case small hand jokes, calling me a dirty liar, telling me to STFU. Then you wrap up enforcing the idea you're the victim, that everyone else are just dumb sheep for not understanding the truth behind your posts, and a dash of trying to justify your attacks through strange rationalization, like the notion that since slightly over 50% of the worlds' people have vaginas that makes it okay to call someone that you've met personally a cunt for not blindly supporting everything you post.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. It is simply impossible for me to believe that you don't know exactly what you're doing. You've done it so many times now with so little variation to the formula that it's really difficult to think it's not a conscious decision for you. People, both your friends and foes here, have tried rationalizing with you, insulting you, defending you, pleading with you, threatening you, excusing you, and explaining this to you - all to no effect apparently.

It never helps your "forum image" that you claim to be concerned about, and it never helps the forum, which you just claimed you're "done with" anyway. If you have that much rage in your life that you feel the need to exhaust it here on people who do nothing more than disagree with you, then I sincerely hope things get better for you. If you're still angry Madtown left the forum, then please don't try to make it a worse place out of spite or some misplaced sense of loyalty. A few hundred other people still enjoy coming here.

So I guess you can insult me if you want, but that's the last I'll address you on the matter, since I'm sure you don't want to hear it anyway.

[hoosier]

What was that you said about thin skins again? :lol:


Well, everybody has their moments I guess. :oops:



(edit)

At first I thought you were talking about me, but now notice that you may be poking fun at falco. I never got that impression about him.

Yeah, it was you I was teasing. I saw a moment of weakness and I pounced. :P

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Tyrone, how bout giving him a little more rope?

Fixed.

[Partial]

Skin I'm not insulting you, I'm calling for you to back up your claims or stop making them. Calling you a liar when you're clearly lying is not insulting you, it's making a statement of fact.

[Scott Campbell]

:huh:


I tried.

[SkinBasket]

:huh:


I tried.

That's how this ends every time.

[falco]

I can't look at skinbasket's avatar now without tearing up ...

I mean I never could, but now its for a different reason. :P

[Administrator]

Skin I'm not insulting you, I'm calling for you to back up your claims or stop making them. Calling you a liar when you're clearly lying is not insulting you, it's making a statement of fact.

I really have to say that this is not helping your cause. I can agree with you when you say you've been beat up on, that's true, however, when you engage folks like this you're participating in it, and encouraging it to continue.

My advice to you is to apologize to MJ Ziggy for momentarily losing your mind, and let this whole discussion go for another day.

This isn't accomplishing anything.

[Partial]

:huh:


I tried.

That's how this ends every time.

I re-iterate, where did I call you out? I asked you for a credible source on the fact. If you can't provide that, then stop writing libel.

[Partial]

Skin I'm not insulting you, I'm calling for you to back up your claims or stop making them. Calling you a liar when you're clearly lying is not insulting you, it's making a statement of fact.

I really have to say that this is not helping your cause. I can agree with you when you say you've been beat up on, that's true, however, when you engage folks like this you're participating in it, and encouraging it to continue.

My advice to you is to apologize to MJ Ziggy for momentarily losing your mind, and let this whole discussion go for another day.

This isn't accomplishing anything.

Why should he be allowed to spread rumors that are completely false about me in a forrum on that subject matter? I aboslutely cannot believe that he has your support in slandering someones name.

[falco]

:?:

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Skin I'm not insulting you, I'm calling for you to back up your claims or stop making them. Calling you a liar when you're clearly lying is not insulting you, it's making a statement of fact.

I really have to say that this is not helping your cause. I can agree with you when you say you've been beat up on, that's true, however, when you engage folks like this you're participating in it, and encouraging it to continue.

My advice to you is to apologize to MJ Ziggy for momentarily losing your mind, and let this whole discussion go for another day.

This isn't accomplishing anything.


Why should he be allowed to spread rumors that are completely false about me in a forrum on that subject matter? I aboslutely cannot believe that he has your support in slandering someones name.

C'mon P, is it libel or is it slander? :lol:

[Deputy Nutz]

Skin I'm not insulting you, I'm calling for you to back up your claims or stop making them. Calling you a liar when you're clearly lying is not insulting you, it's making a statement of fact.

I really have to say that this is not helping your cause. I can agree with you when you say you've been beat up on, that's true, however, when you engage folks like this you're participating in it, and encouraging it to continue.

My advice to you is to apologize to MJ Ziggy for momentarily losing your mind, and let this whole discussion go for another day.

This isn't accomplishing anything.

Why should he be allowed to spread rumors that are completely false about me in a forrum on that subject matter? I aboslutely cannot believe that he has your support in slandering someones name.

This is about you throwing a stupid football, not cheating on a girlfriend, or stealing money from a the company that you work for.

I am a first hand source. I played catch with you, my eyes told me you couldn't throw the ball 40 yards on a line. That was two years ago, you could have easily improved, and boy that would be great.

Simply grow up

[sheepshead]

I for one think a Partial cull would be a fine addition by subtraction. All I ever see from the guy is antagonistic drivel.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I for one think a Partial cull would be a fine addition by subtraction. All I ever see from the guy is antagonistic drivel.

Irony alert. Irony alert!!!!

[Partial]

Skin I'm not insulting you, I'm calling for you to back up your claims or stop making them. Calling you a liar when you're clearly lying is not insulting you, it's making a statement of fact.

I really have to say that this is not helping your cause. I can agree with you when you say you've been beat up on, that's true, however, when you engage folks like this you're participating in it, and encouraging it to continue.

My advice to you is to apologize to MJ Ziggy for momentarily losing your mind, and let this whole discussion go for another day.

This isn't accomplishing anything.

Why should he be allowed to spread rumors that are completely false about me in a forrum on that subject matter? I aboslutely cannot believe that he has your support in slandering someones name.

This is about you throwing a stupid football, not cheating on a girlfriend, or stealing money from a the company that you work for.

I am a first hand source. I played catch with you, my eyes told me you couldn't throw the ball 40 yards on a line. That was two years ago, you could have easily improved, and boy that would be great.

Simply grow up

Now let me get this straight... *I* should grow up for being offended about someone knocking my football ability (ipso facto my credibility on a football board), but the *person bringing up* my football ability shouldn't??? :shock:

[Deputy Nutz]

If you are looking for cred, you past it about ten miles back.

Your cred has nothing to do with throwing a fucking football. You demanded a source of your ability from Skinbasket, and here I am. You couldn't throw a football worth a shit two years ago. Is that a big deal? No, I have played football, been around the sport as a coach and of course as a spectator for over twenty years and some of the best players I have ever seen can't throw a football. Does that mean they have zero cred when it comes to the game? No. What it means is that they can't throw a goddamn football.

There are so many different prospectives about the game of football. 90% of it on here is the fans prospective. I post from the fan prospective as well, but I also see the game as a coach and as a former college player, like ND, KFC, and some others.

Again nobody gives one squirt of piss about your ability to throw a football, you are putting a target on your back, whether it is because you love the negative attention, or you are just so damn thick skulled to let it go and move on and stop giving them their giggles.

[SkinBasket]

If you are looking for cred, you past it about ten miles back.

Your cred has nothing to do with throwing a fucking football. You demanded a source of your ability from Skinbasket, and here I am. You couldn't throw a football worth a shit two years ago. Is that a big deal? No, I have played football, been around the sport as a coach and of course as a spectator for over twenty years and some of the best players I have ever seen can't throw a football. Does that mean they have zero cred when it comes to the game? No. What it means is that they can't throw a goddamn football.

There are so many different prospectives about the game of football. 90% of it on here is the fans prospective. I post from the fan prospective as well, but I also see the game as a coach and as a former college player, like ND, KFC, and some others.

Again nobody gives one squirt of piss about your ability to throw a football, you are putting a target on your back, whether it is because you love the negative attention, or you are just so damn thick skulled to let it go and move on and stop giving them their giggles.

This A-Hole makes some very valid and topical points that could probably be extrapolated to similar situations to save us all some time and insults.

[ThunderDan]

If you are looking for cred, you past it about ten miles back.

Your cred has nothing to do with throwing a fucking football. You demanded a source of your ability from Skinbasket, and here I am. You couldn't throw a football worth a shit two years ago. Is that a big deal? No, I have played football, been around the sport as a coach and of course as a spectator for over twenty years and some of the best players I have ever seen can't throw a football. Does that mean they have zero cred when it comes to the game? No. What it means is that they can't throw a goddamn football.

There are so many different prospectives about the game of football. 90% of it on here is the fans prospective. I post from the fan prospective as well, but I also see the game as a coach and as a former college player, like ND, KFC, and some others.

Again nobody gives one squirt of piss about your ability to throw a football, you are putting a target on your back, whether it is because you love the negative attention, or you are just so damn thick skulled to let it go and move on and stop giving them their giggles.

I think we should have a football throwing contest and determine everyones social status on this site by distance thrown. We would have to create a modifier for the women to even it up. :lol:

Then if you are above someone on the scale you have the avsolute right to insult and degrade them no matter what. Let's turn this into the Lord of the Flies.

[GrnBay007]

I think we should have a football throwing contest and determine everyones social status on this site by distance thrown. We would have to create a modifier for the women to even it up. :lol:


I don't know about that! :P I'm always out throwing the football around with my son. Where I may lack in distance I make up for in throwing a nice tight spiral. lol

[Scott Campbell]

We would have to create a modifier for the women to even it up. :lol:


Just the women?

[Gunakor]

Skin I'm not insulting you, I'm calling for you to back up your claims or stop making them. Calling you a liar when you're clearly lying is not insulting you, it's making a statement of fact.

I really have to say that this is not helping your cause. I can agree with you when you say you've been beat up on, that's true, however, when you engage folks like this you're participating in it, and encouraging it to continue.

My advice to you is to apologize to MJ Ziggy for momentarily losing your mind, and let this whole discussion go for another day.

This isn't accomplishing anything.

Why should he be allowed to spread rumors that are completely false about me in a forrum on that subject matter? I aboslutely cannot believe that he has your support in slandering someones name.

This is about you throwing a stupid football, not cheating on a girlfriend, or stealing money from a the company that you work for.

I am a first hand source. I played catch with you, my eyes told me you couldn't throw the ball 40 yards on a line. That was two years ago, you could have easily improved, and boy that would be great.

Simply grow up

Now let me get this straight... *I* should grow up for being offended about someone knocking my football ability (ipso facto my credibility on a football board), but the *person bringing up* my football ability shouldn't??? :shock:

Wait a minute... How does a poster's ability to throw a football relate to credibility on a professional football forum? I'll freely admit I can't throw a football 40 yards on a rope, but I never imagined that had anything to do with how well I understand the game or how accurate my opinions on certain topics are. They are unrelated. Whether you can or can't throw a football has no bearing whatsoever on your credibility on this forum. None at all. You don't have to be a good football player to be a great football fan.

I think you are making a very big deal over something that's really only important to you. I doubt many of us care - we certainly aren't going to think any less of you just because you can't throw a football 40 yards, nor are we going to think more of you just because you can. It really doesn't matter as far as your credibility on this forum is concerned.

[ThunderDan]

I think we should have a football throwing contest and determine everyones social status on this site by distance thrown. We would have to create a modifier for the women to even it up. :lol:


I don't know about that! :P I'm always out throwing the football around with my son. Where I may lack in distance I make up for in throwing a nice tight spiral. lol

Maybe we need a double graded system. On axis X is distance and on axis Y is beauty of throw.

[ThunderDan]

We would have to create a modifier for the women to even it up. :lol:


Just the women?

Well, if we adjusted it for everyone wouldn't everybody tie if the modifier was correct?

At some point my Norweign/Scot genetic make up has to get me ahead.

[SkinBasket]

I think we should have a football throwing contest and determine everyones social status on this site by distance thrown. We would have to create a modifier for the women to even it up. :lol:


I don't know about that! :P I'm always out throwing the football around with my son. Where I may lack in distance I make up for in throwing a nice tight spiral. lol

Maybe we need a double graded system. On axis X is distance and on axis Y is beauty of throw.

Triple. Z axis is accuracy.

[hoosier]

We would have to create a modifier for the women to even it up. :lol:


Just the women?

Well, if we adjusted it for everyone wouldn't everybody tie if the modifier was correct?

At some point my Norweign/Scot genetic make up has to get me ahead.

Sorry, wrong sport. Try golf. :lol:

[ThunderDan]

We would have to create a modifier for the women to even it up. :lol:


Just the women?

Well, if we adjusted it for everyone wouldn't everybody tie if the modifier was correct?

At some point my Norweign/Scot genetic make up has to get me ahead.

Sorry, wrong sport. Try golf. :lol:

Tried that for 5 years out of college. I tell all my friends I was just good enough to become a CPA.

[GrnBay007]

I think we should have a football throwing contest and determine everyones social status on this site by distance thrown. We would have to create a modifier for the women to even it up. :lol:


I don't know about that! :P I'm always out throwing the football around with my son. Where I may lack in distance I make up for in throwing a nice tight spiral. lol

Maybe we need a double graded system. On axis X is distance and on axis Y is beauty of throw.

:D

[Iron Mike]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v739/mike_zankle/katie.jpg

All I want to know is how did Katie manage to get her vajayjay buried??