Jennings and Packers reach deal on contract

[packers04]

YAY!

[gbpackfan]

Thank God! Now I can wear my Jennings' jersey to games for a couple more years. :D

[Scott Campbell]

Ted is spending money like a drunken sailor.

[boiga]

That's great news.

Although, I was kind of enjoying seeing Greg be assaulted by reporters about why he isn't complaining more.

[pbmax]

Wow, give it up for the TV guys. Wasn't Bedard or the Press Gazette, Mortender, Schefter, Glazer or Florio. Just a run of the mill talking hairdo got the scoop.

Good for Jennings and the Packers.

[vince]

http://twitter.com/fox6sports


Source: Jennings' new deal will make him the 2nd highest paid receiver in the NFL to Larry in AZ. Fitz makes 10.
2 minutes ago from web

[Pacopete4]

http://twitter.com/fox6sports


Source: Jennings' new deal will make him the 2nd highest paid receiver in the NFL to Larry in AZ. Fitz makes 10.
2 minutes ago from web


Good for Jennings. He isn't the second best WR in the NFL but he sure is up there.

[Scott Campbell]

It would appear that he didn't leave any meat on the bone for Driver. If that's the case, I'm ok with that.

[vince]

That would make it a 9.5 - 10 mil/yr. deal.

Tightwad Teddy lets the mothballs fly out of the ol' wallet. For his own guy - on the upswing of his career - with a great team attitude.

Great signing and sends a strong signal to the team about how to get rewarded.

Can't wait to see the details.

[boiga]

Although, I have to wonder how much of that is guaranteed and how much incentive based.

Details on this one should be fascinating.

[HarveyWallbangers]

That would make it a 9.5 - 10 mil/yr. deal.

Tightwad Teddy lets the mothballs fly out of the ol' wallet. For his own guy - on the upswing of his career - with a great team attitude.

Great signing and sends a strong signal to the team about how to get rewarded.

Which would be similar to the deal Evans got - 4y/$37.5M

[packers11]

Nevertheless, I have to hope that Jennings gets rewarded for being a class act about his new contract. What do you experts expect he'll be paid?

Larry just got 4 years 40 million but hes the best WR in the league...

Roy Williams of Dallas got 6 years 54 Million = 9 mill a year...

T.J. Housh got 8 mill a year...


I could see Jennings getting anywhere between 7.5-9.5 mill a year... (Expect the contract to be front loaded) Packers are 27 mill under the cap... Ala when they signed Charles Woodson type of deal...

Ex:

4/26/2006: Signed a seven-year, $52 million contract. The deal included a $4 million signing bonus and $10.5 million in first-year guarantees. 2009: $5.5 million, 2010: $5 million, 2011: $5.5 million, 2012: $6.5 million, 2013: Free Agent. Cap charge: $7.407 million (2009).


^ As I posted in the other topic... It has to be front loaded, hes probably making 14 mill this year...

[mission]

Great news.

I remember someone saying we should try to trade him before losing him in free agency... made me laugh then, makes me laugh now.

Way to go (all those involved)!

[Packnut]

This one was a no brainer. You have to keep your only blue chip player.

[RashanGary]

Exciting!! Jennings is a great player!!

[RashanGary]

After AP, he's the 2nd best weapon in the NFCN.

[packers11]

After AP, he's the 2nd best weapon in the NFCN.

3rd in my opinion...

You forgot about Calvin...

[HarveyWallbangers]

After AP, he's the 2nd best weapon in the NFCN.

3rd in my opinion...

You forgot about Calvin...

I wouldn't argue against Calvin, but it's fair to put Greg in his class. He doesn't have the speed/height combination, but his route running, ball skills, and ability after the catch are elite.

[vince]

Al Harris has testified that his ability to beat press coverage at the LOS is also second to none. That's an ability many long-legged lopers like Johnson struggle with.

[cpk1994]

For all those who wanted TT to sign big FA's(Haynesworth, Canty etc.) this year, this is exhibit A on why TT's approach isn't all bad.

[jpompo]

Good news, looks like I'll be buying another jersey ... right now.

[rbaloha1]

For all those who wanted TT to sign big FA's(Haynesworth, Canty etc.) this year, this is exhibit A on why TT's approach isn't all bad.

Agreed. Keep the young superstars. Maybe Collins is next?

[RashanGary]

Al Harris has testified that his ability to beat press coverage at the LOS is also second to none. That's an ability many long-legged lopers like Johnson struggle with.

Yep. I like Jennings better for a number of reasons, mostly listed between you two.

Jennings gets off the line better
Jennings plays the ball in the air better
Jennings is better after the catch

Calvin is bigger
Calvin is faster


Jennings is more skilled IMHO.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Al Harris has testified that his ability to beat press coverage at the LOS is also second to none. That's an ability many long-legged lopers like Johnson struggle with.

Yep. I like Jennings better for a number of reasons, mostly listed between you two.

Jennings gets off the line better
Jennings plays the ball in the air better
Jennings is better after the catch

Calvin is bigger
Calvin is faster

Jennings is more skilled IMHO.

Greg is good, but Calvin is probably as good. I'd lean towards Calvin, but only because I think he has the potential to be even better than he was last year. Greg probably won't get significantly better. Two different types of receivers. A combination of Calvin and Greg would be epic. How can we get Calvin?
:D

[RashanGary]

CJ has a lot to prove IMO. They throw the ball to him a lot, but they don't have a lot of other weapons. I've seen a lot more of Jennings. I think he's elite. I've never gotten that impression from CJ when I've watched him. I don't put as much stock in height and speed as you do though. I'm all about guys making big plays and being consistent. I think Jennings is better at football.

[RashanGary]

This is coming from a guy who's never bought into the CJ hype and is a huge Jennings/Packers fan. I believe it though. I believe our guy is better.

[HarveyWallbangers]

CJ has a lot to prove IMO. They throw the ball to him a lot, but they don't have a lot of other weapons. I've seen a lot more of Jennings. I think he's elite. I've never gotten that impression from CJ when I've watched him. I don't put as much stock in height and speed as you do though. I'm all about guys making big plays.

Ummm... Calvin makes big plays. Dude had over 1300 yards and 12 TDs last year. I know he was the only guy on that team, but he also had some ragged QBs throwing him the ball. I'd say the tiebreaker would be hands. Before last year, I would have said Greg beats him easily there, but I vaguely remember thinking Calvin cut down his drops last year and Greg actually dropped more balls than he should have last year, so they are probably pretty close there also.

I don't necessarily put stock in speed/height, but it's nice. I think you are talking Jones vs. Nelson, right? I think they are close, but I think they are pretty close athletically and I'll give the edge to the bigger receiver.

[RashanGary]

I give the edge to Nelson too. You might be right on CJ. I only watch him twice per season.

[vince]

After looking at his production, you can't take away the season Johnson had last year. They're close. Both elite. Jennings definitely fits what the Packers are trying to do.

[Partial]

I think Jennings is the superior player to Johnson today but I suspect that will soon change.

Great signing. Now go get Collins done. Love that it's a 3 year deal. Much less long term risk.

[vince]

If this is true, I'm surprised it wasn't a bit longer of a deal...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4282320&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines


Source: Jennings nears 3-year deal

The Green Bay Packers and wide receiver Greg Jennings are in the process of finalizing a three-year contract that will keep him with the team through 2012.

ESPN.com's Kevin Seifert writes about all things NFC North in his division blog.

According to a source, Jennings could make $27 million in new money with the deal, but if he performs at a Pro Bowl level, his new contract could be worth as much as $30 million. Jennings was in the last year of his rookie contract and was scheduled to make $535,000.

Though both sides have come to an agreement on the numbers, a couple things have to be worked out as far as the language of the contract. First, it must be approved by the NFL Management Council. Second, it has to be signed by both parties. The plan is to try to get the final draft ready in the next couple of days.

Jennings is coming of an 80-catch, 1,292-yard season in which he caught nine touchdown passes and was a Pro Bowl alternate. He was a second-round choice of the Packers in 2006 and has developed into one of the top young receivers in the game.

John Clayton is a senior writer for ESPN.com.

[hoosier]

CJ has a lot to prove IMO. They throw the ball to him a lot, but they don't have a lot of other weapons. I've seen a lot more of Jennings. I think he's elite. I've never gotten that impression from CJ when I've watched him. I don't put as much stock in height and speed as you do though. I'm all about guys making big plays and being consistent. I think Jennings is better at football.

I don't watch him on a regular basis, so can't vouch for consistency. But CJ did strike me as a pretty good receiver last year against GB in Det. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80ad1767/NFL-GameDay-Packers-vs-Lions-highlights

[HarveyWallbangers]

Calvin is pretty dynamic, in his own right.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80ad4977/Calvin-Johnson-Highlight-WK-02-vs-Packers-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80ad47cb/Calvin-Johnson-Highlight-WK-02-vs-Packers-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80bc960d/Calvin-Johnson-Highlight-WK-07-vs-Texans-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80bcab3b/Calvin-Johnson-Highlight-WK-07-vs-Texans-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80bfc8e0/Calvin-Johnson-Highlight-WK-08-vs-Redskins-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80c2eb45/Calvin-Johnson-Highlight-WK-09-vs-Bears-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80c5e5da/Calvin-Johnson-Highlight-WK-10-vs-Jaguars-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80cc1de2/Calvin-Johnson-Highlight-WK-12-vs-Buccaneers-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80cc1cc4/Calvin-Johnson-Highlight-WK-12-vs-Buccaneers-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80d23114/Calvin-Johnson-Highlight-WK-14-vs-Vikings-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80d5449c/Calvin-Johnson-Highlight-WK-15-vs-Colts-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80d8b95b/Calvin-Johnson-Highlight-WK-16-vs-Saints-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80daf78a/WK-17-Calvin-Johnson-highlights

I love watching the dude play. Too bad he plays for the Lions.

[Rastak]

Agree with Harvey, he's as good as advertised.

[packers11]

www.rotoworld.com

ESPN reports that Greg Jennings' three-year extension will pay him $27 million in "new money," and includes $16M guaranteed.

It isn't signed yet, but clearly FOX 6 Milwaukee was right that Jennings' extension was coming. They were just wrong to call him the NFL's second highest paid receiver. Jennings can earn $3M more if he performs at a "Pro Bowl level" through 2012, but even then he'd max out at $7.63 million annually. T.J. Houshmandzadeh averages $8M a year. GM Ted Thompson continues to reprove himself as one of the best deal makers going. Jun. 23 -

8:57 pm et

Source: ESPN.com

[vince]

They were just wrong to call him the NFL's second highest paid receiver. Jennings can earn $3M more if he performs at a "Pro Bowl level" through 2012, but even then he'd max out at $7.63 million annually. There are a couple ways to look at it, which is the source of the seemingly different information coming out, but I think your way is the correct way to break it down.

If you look at the new years and the new money, which the Jennings camp is inclined to do, he's getting a possible 10 mil/year for 3 years added to his already signed contract. If you add his $535,000 he's already signed for this year into the new deal, the average comes down significantly. Since he's probably getting a good chunk of the $16 mil when the deal is inked this year, I'd say it's appropriate to consider it a new 4 year deal at a relative bargain.

I think the threat of Jennings having an added year to his restricted status after this year if there's no CBA played into the equation for him.

[Tarlam!]

I am really thrilled about this signing. Jennings is all class on and off the gridiron.

[RashanGary]

I'd say he added 3 years at 10 mil per year. They did not have to tear that one year up. The money added on was at the 2nd highest per/year rate in the NFL. We drafted him so adding in that extra year makes it seem friendlier. It just is friendlier to sign your own. For the next four years he'll be in the same ball park as Barrian. That's more than fair.

[vince]

potato, potahto... Can't we all just get along man?

[]{ilr]3]

Cool,

I only have gotten one autograph my entire life. It was Greg Jennings his rookie year and I was with my daughter at Family Night. He signed a hat that I had just picked up in the pro shop. 8-)

[packrat]

Since he gets more money NOW, this becomes a four year deal. It is not as if he only gets the $535,000 if he has a career ending injury this year. The way to look at it is that his rookie contract was for one year less, not that this is a contract that kicks in only in 2010.

[Waldo]

Packers got a steal. Since it is added to the final year of his last contract, which had a cap # about 900K, he's making 27.9M over the next 4 years, or just a shade under 7M/yr. Compared to other big name "number ones", that is a bargain.

We got him cheep.

[Bossman641]

Good work TT.

I freakin love GJ, couldn't ask for a better guy.

[woodbuck27]

This one was a no brainer. You have to keep your only blue chip player.

Only one!? Ouchhh!

[Scott Campbell]

I thought Jennings play slipped a bit down the stretch after starting the year as man possessed. Driver's play seemed to get better as the year wore on. I'm not sure if they saw different coverages or what, but I wonder if Jennings would have cashed in even more had he stayed white hot all year.

[woodbuck27]

Al Harris has testified that his ability to beat press coverage at the LOS is also second to none. That's an ability many long-legged lopers like Johnson struggle with.

Yep. I like Jennings better for a number of reasons, mostly listed between you two.

Jennings gets off the line better
Jennings plays the ball in the air better
Jennings is better after the catch

Calvin is bigger
Calvin is faster

Jennings is more skilled IMHO.

Greg is good, but Calvin is probably as good. I'd lean towards Calvin, but only because I think he has the potential to be even better than he was last year. Greg probably won't get significantly better. Two different types of receivers. A combination of Calvin and Greg would be epic. How can we get Calvin?
:D

We had a better shot two years ago. His name was. . .ohhh let me see.

Moss. Yea. Randy Moss.

[Scott Campbell]

I suspect that Ted's ego may have gotten in the way of that one.


GO PACK GO!!!!! :glug:

[woodbuck27]

Calvin is pretty dynamic, in his own right.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80ad4977/Calvin-Johnson-Highlight-WK-02-vs-Packers-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80ad47cb/Calvin-Johnson-Highlight-WK-02-vs-Packers-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80bc960d/Calvin-Johnson-Highlight-WK-07-vs-Texans-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80bcab3b/Calvin-Johnson-Highlight-WK-07-vs-Texans-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80bfc8e0/Calvin-Johnson-Highlight-WK-08-vs-Redskins-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80c2eb45/Calvin-Johnson-Highlight-WK-09-vs-Bears-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80c5e5da/Calvin-Johnson-Highlight-WK-10-vs-Jaguars-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80cc1de2/Calvin-Johnson-Highlight-WK-12-vs-Buccaneers-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80cc1cc4/Calvin-Johnson-Highlight-WK-12-vs-Buccaneers-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80d23114/Calvin-Johnson-Highlight-WK-14-vs-Vikings-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80d5449c/Calvin-Johnson-Highlight-WK-15-vs-Colts-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80d8b95b/Calvin-Johnson-Highlight-WK-16-vs-Saints-2008

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80daf78a/WK-17-Calvin-Johnson-highlights

I love watching the dude play. Too bad he plays for the Lions.

A GIANT among men. Domination. He looks huge and plays huge.

[Scott Campbell]

IMO Calvin's a great player that may or may not reach his real potential. He's on the Loins, and he's had back issues. I'm not sure if they're chronic or not.

Calvin was taken with the 2nd pick in 2007. Greg was taken with the 52nd pick in 2006. Which guy is better? It's a great argument to be having.

[woodbuck27]

I suspect that Ted's ego may have gotten in the way of that one.


GO PACK GO!!!!! :glug:

I'm sure that Randy Moss ended up loving Tom Brady tossing him TD pass's but he would certainly have settled for Favre in that role too.

Ahhh then I forget. The Green Bay Packers work out indoors to prepare for a sub zero cold - cold winters game for possibly all the marbles. Just about as illogical as it can get. Now there is an example of 'blowing an opportunity' Scott. It's like preparing to swim across Lake Ontario or better the English channel and never come out of the heated pool till showtime.

The GM has hands off on all coaching decisions.

Then I read that Favre cannot play very well in the cold anymore. Shaking my head. That stuff burns my ass. Better to :lol:

GO PACKERS!

[woodbuck27]

IMO Calvin's a great player that may or may not reach his real potential. He's on the Loins, and he's had back issues. I'm not sure if they're chronic or not.

Calvin was taken with the 2nd pick in 2007. Greg was taken with the 52nd pick in 2006. Which guy is better? It's a great argument to be having.

Greg Jennings should have a long career and he's the new Donald Driver. I hate to see Driver in Minnesota. :D

LORDY.

[vince]

IMO Calvin's a great player that may or may not reach his real potential. He's on the Loins, and he's had back issues. I'm not sure if they're chronic or not.

Calvin was taken with the 2nd pick in 2007. Greg was taken with the 52nd pick in 2006. Which guy is better? It's a great argument to be having.
Right on. Johnson's subsequent 6 yr./64 mil contract with 27.2 mil guaranteed (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp07/news/story?id=2959620)also puts things in perspective regarding Jennings' new deal.

[woodbuck27]

Packers got a steal. Since it is added to the final year of his last contract, which had a cap # about 900K, he's making 27.9M over the next 4 years, or just a shade under 7M/yr. Compared to other big name "number ones", that is a bargain.

We got him cheep.

What about the incentives? :D

GO PACKERS!

[Scott Campbell]

Then I read that Favre cannot play very well in the cold anymore. Shaking my head. That stuff burns my ass.



Yeah, I read that. And it really burns my ass too.


http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2008-01/34843942.jpg

[HarveyWallbangers]

6 yr./64 mil contract with 27.2 mil guaranteed

$10.67M annually. Man, those reports that Jennings would be the second highest paid receiver annually are off. Johnson, Fitzgerald, and Evans all make more than Greg's $9M/yr (or $7.5M/year, depending on how you look at it) deal.

[Pacopete4]

Then I read that Favre cannot play very well in the cold anymore. Shaking my head. That stuff burns my ass.



Yeah, I read that. And it really burns my ass too.


http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2008-01/34843942.jpg


Scott, you really are unbelievable. WE HAD TO LEAN ON BRETT in a below zero game because of the fact that good ole Teddy boy cant get a sufficient Oline and RB for those types of games. Do you realize how bad that is? We had to have Brett play spectacular in BELOW ZERO. Not only is it tough to throw the ball if it was a 24 year old in those conditions, but throw in the fact that he was 38. I mean, are you really that blind to see? Brett made the bad pass, he'll tell you himself. But it shoulda NEVER, EVER, NEVER! been on his shoulders the ENTIRE GAME. We had zero running game. Repeat... ZERO running game. We'll see how he does in cold weather this season when AP's jamming it down teams throat when its those conditions. ..... oooooh and the fact that he played amazing just a week earlier IN COLD WEATHER!

[ThunderDan]

Then I read that Favre cannot play very well in the cold anymore. Shaking my head. That stuff burns my ass.



Yeah, I read that. And it really burns my ass too.


http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2008-01/34843942.jpg


Scott, you really are unbelievable. WE HAD TO LEAN ON BRETT in a below zero game because of the fact that good ole Teddy boy cant get a sufficient Oline and RB for those types of games. Do you realize how bad that is? We had to have Brett play spectacular in BELOW ZERO. Not only is it tough to throw the ball if it was a 24 year old in those conditions, but throw in the fact that he was 38. I mean, are you really that blind to see? Brett made the bad pass, he'll tell you himself. But it shoulda NEVER, EVER, NEVER! been on his shoulders the ENTIRE GAME. We had zero running game. Repeat... ZERO running game. We'll see how he does in cold weather this season when AP's jamming it down teams throat when its those conditions. ..... oooooh and the fact that he played amazing just a week earlier IN COLD WEATHER!

I agree about the first part of the post. Favre didn't lose the game for the Pack. The weather argument is dumb.

It's a hell of lot easier to play in 25 degree weather than 5 degree weather at night with a 15 below wind chill. It's night and day. I use to sweat like a mo fo until it gets to about 15 than its damn cold and no fun to play.

[Scott Campbell]

Scott, you really are unbelievable. WE HAD TO LEAN ON BRETT in a below zero game because of the fact that good ole Teddy boy cant get a sufficient Oline and RB for those types of games. Do you realize how bad that is? We had to have Brett play spectacular in BELOW ZERO. Not only is it tough to throw the ball if it was a 24 year old in those conditions, but throw in the fact that he was 38. I mean, are you really that blind to see? Brett made the bad pass, he'll tell you himself. But it shoulda NEVER, EVER, NEVER! been on his shoulders the ENTIRE GAME. We had zero running game. Repeat... ZERO running game. We'll see how he does in cold weather this season when AP's jamming it down teams throat when its those conditions. ..... oooooh and the fact that he played amazing just a week earlier IN COLD WEATHER!


So if were in an overtime game in the playoffs, and if he's a few years younger, and if it's not so cold outside, he doesn't throw that pick?

Wait a minute - didn't he do the same thing against Philly? Who's fault was that one?

[Bossman641]

Scott, you really are unbelievable. WE HAD TO LEAN ON BRETT in a below zero game because of the fact that good ole Teddy boy cant get a sufficient Oline and RB for those types of games. Do you realize how bad that is? We had to have Brett play spectacular in BELOW ZERO. Not only is it tough to throw the ball if it was a 24 year old in those conditions, but throw in the fact that he was 38. I mean, are you really that blind to see? Brett made the bad pass, he'll tell you himself. But it shoulda NEVER, EVER, NEVER! been on his shoulders the ENTIRE GAME. We had zero running game. Repeat... ZERO running game. We'll see how he does in cold weather this season when AP's jamming it down teams throat when its those conditions. ..... oooooh and the fact that he played amazing just a week earlier IN COLD WEATHER!


So if were in an overtime game in the playoffs, and if he's a few years younger, and if it's not so cold outside, he doesn't throw that pick?

Wait a minute - didn't he do the same thing against Philly? Who's fault was that one?

Walker ran the wrong route

And then one of the stadium lights was shining in a way so that it was absolutely blinding Favre when he looked downfield.

Really just a freak play all the way around.

[Patler]

Scott, you really are unbelievable. WE HAD TO LEAN ON BRETT in a below zero game because of the fact that good ole Teddy boy cant get a sufficient Oline and RB for those types of games. Do you realize how bad that is? We had to have Brett play spectacular in BELOW ZERO. Not only is it tough to throw the ball if it was a 24 year old in those conditions, but throw in the fact that he was 38. I mean, are you really that blind to see? Brett made the bad pass, he'll tell you himself. But it shoulda NEVER, EVER, NEVER! been on his shoulders the ENTIRE GAME. We had zero running game. Repeat... ZERO running game. We'll see how he does in cold weather this season when AP's jamming it down teams throat when its those conditions. ..... oooooh and the fact that he played amazing just a week earlier IN COLD WEATHER!

Just a couple comments:

1. You realize I hope that in the part I put in bold you have just explained why it was absolutely necessary to move to Rodgers from Favre. The Packers play in GB. Playoffs are in January. Ideally they will have home playoff games. Decisive regular season games are played in Dec. in GB. A decisive game or a playoff game could be played in Chicago as well in Dec. or Jan. You have to have a QB who takes those conditions in stride. Just look at how much less the elements seemed to bother a younger, albeit lesser talented Manning. Overall Favre's game against the Giants wasn't bad, but....

2. There have been a lot of outstanding passing games in horrible conditions, when runners can't get their footing, but receivers can be less aggressive in cuts, yet still get away from reacting DBs.

3. You argue that the Packers don't have a back or line that can perform in those conditions, yet they had a record setting performance the week before against Seattle, and you said Favre "played amazing just a week earlier IN COLD WEATHER". well then, I guess the O-line and back played amazing just a week earlier in cold weather, too.

[woodbuck27]

Scott, you really are unbelievable. WE HAD TO LEAN ON BRETT in a below zero game because of the fact that good ole Teddy boy cant get a sufficient Oline and RB for those types of games. Do you realize how bad that is? We had to have Brett play spectacular in BELOW ZERO. Not only is it tough to throw the ball if it was a 24 year old in those conditions, but throw in the fact that he was 38. I mean, are you really that blind to see? Brett made the bad pass, he'll tell you himself. But it shoulda NEVER, EVER, NEVER! been on his shoulders the ENTIRE GAME. We had zero running game. Repeat... ZERO running game. We'll see how he does in cold weather this season when AP's jamming it down teams throat when its those conditions. ..... oooooh and the fact that he played amazing just a week earlier IN COLD WEATHER!


So if were in an overtime game in the playoffs, and if he's a few years younger, and if it's not so cold outside, he doesn't throw that pick?

Wait a minute - didn't he do the same thing against Philly? Who's fault was that one?

Darn it Scott your slipping. You forgot the one against Dallas.

Why do any of us sometimes screw up? Given the fact we do. Should we never be allowed to forget it?

I'm going to it right now. If you ever see Favre in a Vikings jersey then some advice. I really might consider suspecting that our Green Bay Packers are in for some serious trouble. Don't underestimate Favre as a QB. Rather respect him. I'll bet TT and MM will.

GO PACK GO!

[Scott Campbell]

Scott, you really are unbelievable. WE HAD TO LEAN ON BRETT in a below zero game because of the fact that good ole Teddy boy cant get a sufficient Oline and RB for those types of games. Do you realize how bad that is? We had to have Brett play spectacular in BELOW ZERO. Not only is it tough to throw the ball if it was a 24 year old in those conditions, but throw in the fact that he was 38. I mean, are you really that blind to see? Brett made the bad pass, he'll tell you himself. But it shoulda NEVER, EVER, NEVER! been on his shoulders the ENTIRE GAME. We had zero running game. Repeat... ZERO running game. We'll see how he does in cold weather this season when AP's jamming it down teams throat when its those conditions. ..... oooooh and the fact that he played amazing just a week earlier IN COLD WEATHER!


So if were in an overtime game in the playoffs, and if he's a few years younger, and if it's not so cold outside, he doesn't throw that pick?

Wait a minute - didn't he do the same thing against Philly? Who's fault was that one?

Darn it Scott your slipping. You forgot the one against Dallas.


The Packers have had 4 overtime playoff games in their history - none of them against Dallas.

[GBRulz]

I apologize for getting this thread back on topic :roll: but I'm really glad to see this deal done before the season.

IMO, I wouldn't say that we got GJ cheap, but it's a fair deal. He's an awesome receiver and I certainly don't mean to take anything away from him, but how successful would he be if he wasn't across the field from DD, who most of the time is drawing the double coverage and attention away from GJ? Don't get me wrong, I love all the talent we have at WR, but I'm not convinced GJ is a game changer on his own.....yet. So he doesn't deserve elite WR money.....yet!

[woodbuck27]

Scott, you really are unbelievable. WE HAD TO LEAN ON BRETT in a below zero game because of the fact that good ole Teddy boy cant get a sufficient Oline and RB for those types of games. Do you realize how bad that is? We had to have Brett play spectacular in BELOW ZERO. Not only is it tough to throw the ball if it was a 24 year old in those conditions, but throw in the fact that he was 38. I mean, are you really that blind to see? Brett made the bad pass, he'll tell you himself. But it shoulda NEVER, EVER, NEVER! been on his shoulders the ENTIRE GAME. We had zero running game. Repeat... ZERO running game. We'll see how he does in cold weather this season when AP's jamming it down teams throat when its those conditions. ..... oooooh and the fact that he played amazing just a week earlier IN COLD WEATHER!


So if were in an overtime game in the playoffs, and if he's a few years younger, and if it's not so cold outside, he doesn't throw that pick?

Wait a minute - didn't he do the same thing against Philly? Who's fault was that one?

Darn it Scott your slipping. You forgot the one against Dallas.


The Packers have had 4 overtime playoff games in their history - none of them against Dallas.

Whatever Scott. I simply mean I re-call an important game Vs Dallas in the playoffs when Favre ran right to the sideline and passed down that line and it was picked off. I believe it was in 1996 and a huge opportunity for us.

I can still see that play Scott but I forgave him for it.

PACKERS!

[Scott Campbell]

I apologize for getting this thread back on topic :roll: but I'm really glad to see this deal done before the season.

IMO, I wouldn't say that we got GJ cheap, but it's a fair deal. He's an awesome receiver and I certainly don't mean to take anything away from him, but how successful would he be if he wasn't across the field from DD, who most of the time is drawing the double coverage and attention away from GJ? Don't get me wrong, I love all the talent we have at WR, but I'm not convinced GJ is a game changer on his own.....yet. So he doesn't deserve elite WR money.....yet!



Hard to believe that that kind of dough isn't considered elite money. I agree.

[woodbuck27]

I apologize for getting this thread back on topic :roll: but I'm really glad to see this deal done before the season.

IMO, I wouldn't say that we got GJ cheap, but it's a fair deal. He's an awesome receiver and I certainly don't mean to take anything away from him, but how successful would he be if he wasn't across the field from DD, who most of the time is drawing the double coverage and attention away from GJ? Don't get me wrong, I love all the talent we have at WR, but I'm not convinced GJ is a game changer on his own.....yet. So he doesn't deserve elite WR money.....yet!

SOLID. We may not have DD much longer?

I see this as at least a stir:


Driver calls contract talk 'no big deal,' says he's happy with Packers
NFL.com Wire Reports


Veteran wide receiver Donald Driver took part in his first offseason practice Wednesday, and while he acknowledged that he wants the Green Bay Packers to restructure the remaining two years of his contract, he insisted he isn't unhappy with his situation.


"What's wrong with asking? They (the Packers) can say no," Driver said. "I'm asking for it. If I get it, I get it. If I don't, I don't. It's no big deal."

Driver, 34, is scheduled to make $3.9 million in base salary this season and $4 million in base salary in 2010 under his current deal. He has a $2 million roster bonus for this year -- $1 million of which has reportedly already been paid -- and a roster bonus of $2.8 million in 2010.

Portions of those non-guaranteed roster bonuses are tied to Driver being on the Packers' 45-man game-day roster each week.

"You can't complain about that type of money," said Driver, who's entering his 11th NFL season, all with Green Bay.

Amid reports that Driver skipped last week's practice because of a contract dispute, the wide receiver said he stayed home in Dallas because of a death in his wife's family and because his son graduated from kindergarten.

"I can say this: It's not about adding years on," Driver said.

Asked if he wants roster-bonus money that's not currently guaranteed to be converted into guaranteed money, Driver replied, "Yeah, you could write it that way. I want my contract reworked, but that's all. I have a job, and I'm happy about that."

Driver said he plans on participating in the rest of the Packers' organized team activities and the mandatory minicamp, which kicks off June 22.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

GO PACKERS!

[RashanGary]

I apologize for getting this thread back on topic :roll: but I'm really glad to see this deal done before the season.

IMO, I wouldn't say that we got GJ cheap, but it's a fair deal. He's an awesome receiver and I certainly don't mean to take anything away from him, but how successful would he be if he wasn't across the field from DD, who most of the time is drawing the double coverage and attention away from GJ? Don't get me wrong, I love all the talent we have at WR, but I'm not convinced GJ is a game changer on his own.....yet. So he doesn't deserve elite WR money.....yet!

Early in the season, I think Driver/Jennings got equal attention and that allowed Jennings to excel. Late in the season, I think most of the attention was on Jennings and that allowed Driver to excel. At this point, jennings is the scary weapon and Driver is the one that beats you when you don't cover him, not the other way around but that is just my opinion.

I'm a big Driver fan, but I think Jennings is better. I don't think he's Randy Moss or Jerry Rice (best WR's I've ever seen) but he's a Steve Smith/Hines Ward probowl caliber player. Different than both, but in that league.

[Scott Campbell]

So if were in an overtime game in the playoffs, and if he's a few years younger, and if it's not so cold outside, he doesn't throw that pick?

Wait a minute - didn't he do the same thing against Philly? Who's fault was that one?

Darn it Scott your slipping. You forgot the one against Dallas.


The Packers have had 4 overtime playoff games in their history - none of them against Dallas.

Whatever Scott.


:idea: So who is slipping? :lol:


It's a simple mistake that anyone of any age could make. No biggie.


I think it's wonderful that you forgave Favre for his pick against Dallas. What the heck - I shall forgive him for that interception too. Do I call him, or just send him a note?

[HarveyWallbangers]

I apologize for getting this thread back on topic :roll: but I'm really glad to see this deal done before the season.

IMO, I wouldn't say that we got GJ cheap, but it's a fair deal. He's an awesome receiver and I certainly don't mean to take anything away from him, but how successful would he be if he wasn't across the field from DD, who most of the time is drawing the double coverage and attention away from GJ? Don't get me wrong, I love all the talent we have at WR, but I'm not convinced GJ is a game changer on his own.....yet. So he doesn't deserve elite WR money.....yet!

I don't think it's Driver drawing coverage away from Jennings anymore. I think that changed late in 2007. I think teams mix up coverage against us, but I would be surprised if Driver still drew more double coverage. Jennings is the guy that can beat teams deep consistently. I would guess that teams are more afraid of Jennings now.

[Badgerinmaine]

Hallelujah for the signing! Best news I've heard all week.

[MOBB DEEP]

happy for such a classy cat

[MJZiggy]

Don't underestimate Favre as a QB. Rather respect him. I'll bet TT and MM will.

GO PACK GO!

Respect, yes, of course. Fear not as much.

[Pacopete4]

Don't underestimate Favre as a QB. Rather respect him. I'll bet TT and MM will.

GO PACK GO!

Respect, yes, of course. Fear not as much.



ooooh I don't know about that one. They may fear him a ton since they'll be trying to stop the run so much, they know he could go off at any moment. Giving him a top RB, maybe of all time, and who knows what this cat can do.. even at 40.

[Joemailman]

I apologize for getting this thread back on topic :roll: but I'm really glad to see this deal done before the season.

IMO, I wouldn't say that we got GJ cheap, but it's a fair deal. He's an awesome receiver and I certainly don't mean to take anything away from him, but how successful would he be if he wasn't across the field from DD, who most of the time is drawing the double coverage and attention away from GJ? Don't get me wrong, I love all the talent we have at WR, but I'm not convinced GJ is a game changer on his own.....yet. So he doesn't deserve elite WR money.....yet!

How dare you! :wink: Actually, I think it's very much a complementary situation right now. Both are good enough to make defenses pay if the defense pays too much attention to the other guy. Teams probably fear Jennings more, but Driver can still be dangerous.

[MJZiggy]

How dare you! :wink: Actually, I think it's very much a complementary situation right now. Both are good enough to make defenses pay if the defense pays too much attention to the other guy. Teams probably fear Jennings more, but Driver can still be dangerous.

And his mom is an absolute sweetheart!

[cpk1994]

Don't underestimate Favre as a QB. Rather respect him. I'll bet TT and MM will.

GO PACK GO!

Respect, yes, of course. Fear not as much.



ooooh I don't know about that one. They may fear him a ton since they'll be trying to stop the run so much, they know he could go off at any moment. Giving him a top RB, maybe of all time, and who knows what this cat can do.. even at 40.Yeaeh, McCarthy and Capers fear Favre. :roll:

McCarthy and Capers fear no player. Asinine to think otherwise.

[pbmax]

If Jennings' contract figures on PFT are accurate, they got a good deal. He is a step below the elite contracts and players right now, and based solely on production, that is about right. At $8 million per, like the Kampman deal before him, he will look like a steal next August. If PFT's numbers are right.

edited to correct link (previously went to wrong Jennings story)
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/06/23/more-details-on-jennings-contract/

[pbmax]

Asinine to think otherwise.

CPK, for the love of Dick "Bam Bam" Ambrose, stop ending every post with an expletive or insult. Please? They are unnecessary.

P.S. Forgive the Cleveland Browns reference with Mr. Ambrose there, but having Clay Matthews III and Clay Matthews Jr. in the paper for the last three days has made me nostalgic. :lol:

[ThunderDan]

ooooh I don't know about that one. They may fear him a ton since they'll be trying to stop the run so much, they know he could go off at any moment. Giving him a top RB, maybe of all time, and who knows what this cat can do.. even at 40.

After two years in the league that is silly. He has 3,100 yards. If he can stand up to the pounding for 2-4 more years you might actual be able to make that arguement.

[Pacopete4]

ooooh I don't know about that one. They may fear him a ton since they'll be trying to stop the run so much, they know he could go off at any moment. Giving him a top RB, maybe of all time, and who knows what this cat can do.. even at 40.

After two years in the league that is silly. He has 3,100 yards. If he can stand up to the pounding for 2-4 more years you might actual be able to make that arguement.

probably why it says the word maybe, eh fuck stick? AP is a better offensive weapon than anyone he's ever played with, plain and simple.

[Scott Campbell]

If AP is better than Sterling Sharp, it ain't by much.

[Fritz]

Don't underestimate Favre as a QB. Rather respect him. I'll bet TT and MM will.

GO PACK GO!

Respect, yes, of course. Fear not as much.



ooooh I don't know about that one. They may fear him a ton since they'll be trying to stop the run so much, they know he could go off at any moment. Giving him a top RB, maybe of all time, and who knows what this cat can do.. even at 40.

My sense though is that Favre plays the wrong kind of game to be able to take the Vikes where they want to go. He'll still "go off at any moment" from time to time - the crazy shovel pass that ends up in a big first down, the touchdown strike between three defenders. On the flip side, he'll also audible into a pass on third and one if he thinks he sees something - and then throw an interception.

He's a high risk/reward guy. And given the strength of Minny's run game, I'm not sure that's what they need. In addition, he's not the Favre of five or ten years ago. On top of that, he's once more basically taken a whole offseason off. No minicamps, no personal trainer, no nothing. He's relying on his memory of the offense, and though it may be very similar to what GB ran, I can't imagine it's exactly the same - the terminology must be a little different, I would think. Can he really waltz into training camp and be lights out for a whole season? Or even that steady hand all season?

My guess is no. Again, I do think he'll make some spectacular plays, but I also think he'll make more than his share of spectacular mistakes.

[Gunakor]

ooooh I don't know about that one. They may fear him a ton since they'll be trying to stop the run so much, they know he could go off at any moment. Giving him a top RB, maybe of all time, and who knows what this cat can do.. even at 40.

After two years in the league that is silly. He has 3,100 yards. If he can stand up to the pounding for 2-4 more years you might actual be able to make that arguement.

probably why it says the word maybe, eh fuck stick? AP is a better offensive weapon than anyone he's ever played with, plain and simple.

Ahman Green had a nearly 1900 yard season behind Brett, complimented by another 300 recieving. That doesn't mean Green is as talented as Peterson, but if you judge a football player on production, Peterson wouldn't even be the most productive RB to have ever played with Favre based on his 2 years in the NFL. That could change, of course. But 2200 yards from scrimmage in a single season is a tough one to top. I believe AP is every bit capable enough, but until he does it...

[cpk1994]

Asinine to think otherwise.

CPK, for the love of Dick "Bam Bam" Ambrose, stop ending every post with an expletive or insult. Please? They are unnecessary.

P.S. Forgive the Cleveland Browns reference with Mr. Ambrose there, but having Clay Matthews III and Clay Matthews Jr. in the paper for the last three days has made me nostalgic. :lol:

1)Asinine is niether an insult or an expletive.

2)I said that it is assinine to think that McCarthy and Capers fear Favre. Do you think Capers and McCarthy fear Favre?

You need to quit being so sensitive.

[Pacopete4]

2)I said that it is asinine to think that McCarthy and Capers fear Favre. Do you think Capers and McCarthy fear Favre?


the only real thing we have to go off on is the fact that they wouldn't let him go wherever he wanted to play football. That tells me they must fear him to a point, doesn't it?

[SMACKTALKIE]

ooooh I don't know about that one. They may fear him a ton since they'll be trying to stop the run so much, they know he could go off at any moment. Giving him a top RB, maybe of all time, and who knows what this cat can do.. even at 40.

After two years in the league that is silly. He has 3,100 yards. If he can stand up to the pounding for 2-4 more years you might actual be able to make that arguement.

probably why it says the word maybe, eh fuck stick? AP is a better offensive weapon than anyone he's ever played with, plain and simple.

Ahman Green had a nearly 1900 yard season behind Brett, complimented by another 300 recieving. That doesn't mean Green is as talented as Peterson, but if you judge a football player on production, Peterson wouldn't even be the most productive RB to have ever played with Favre based on his 2 years in the NFL. That could change, of course. But 2200 yards from scrimmage in a single season is a tough one to top. I believe AP is every bit capable enough, but until he does it...


Good point Gunakor. Brett did play with Green and Grant while they put up lots of yards. However I think the sucess of those RBs came in part from the threat of Favre. Any D facing Favre has to respect the pass, and the play action and this keeps them on their heels. RB's playing with Favre have a huge advantage because opposing D's are starting on their heels and never committing an 8th to the box.

Favre has never played with a back the likes of Peterson. Peterson has never played with a QB the likes of Favre. I think Peterson is giong to put up huge numbers this year.

[RashanGary]

If he doesn't get injured again.

[SMACKTALKIE]

If he doesn't get injured again.

The caveat for any running back, player, or team. But excellent (and helpful) observation. :roll:

[Pacopete4]

If he doesn't get injured again.

The caveat for any running back, player, or team. But excellent (and helpful) observation. :roll:


Don't worry Smack... people around here will take any cheap shot at the Vikes or Brett... mostly outta jealousy of what they are about to have this season.

[Zool]

Vikingrats.com

Go start it

[SMACKTALKIE]

Vikingrats.com

Go start it

Only if you're gonna be there! :D

[SMACKTALKIE]

If he doesn't get injured again.

The caveat for any running back, player, or team. But excellent (and helpful) observation. :roll:


Don't worry Smack... people around here will take any cheap shot at the Vikes or Brett... mostly outta jealousy of what they are about to have this season.

Not worried, just like a good football conversation. Getting injured is a concern for all football players so "if he does'nt get injured" is a statement that can be applied to any football conversation.

For instance:

Jennings signs a new deal. He will be paid well for may years to come......

Romo is poised to have a good year without TO.......

Matt Ryan has had a great offseason, and that is going to help to open even more of the Falcons playbook.....

It's just not a helpful statement, but JH seems to like those sort of things from what I've seen. I'm sure he will continue to make more in the future, if he does'nt get injured.

[RashanGary]

I'm giving you shit, smackie. You're a Viking fan at a packer board. There are a whole bunch of new Viking fans at our Packer board so I'll give all of them shit :)

[RashanGary]

And don't talk about Jennings getting injured or I'll punch you in the nose.

[Fritz]

Asinine to think otherwise.

CPK, for the love of Dick "Bam Bam" Ambrose, stop ending every post with an expletive or insult. Please? They are unnecessary.

P.S. Forgive the Cleveland Browns reference with Mr. Ambrose there, but having Clay Matthews III and Clay Matthews Jr. in the paper for the last three days has made me nostalgic. :lol:

1)Asinine is niether an insult or an expletive.

2)I said that it is assinine to think that McCarthy and Capers fear Favre. Do you think Capers and McCarthy fear Favre?

You need to quit being so sensitive.

So if I tell you your post is asinine, I'm not insulting you?

Cool. Your response to PB is asinine, then.

[ThunderDan]

ooooh I don't know about that one. They may fear him a ton since they'll be trying to stop the run so much, they know he could go off at any moment. Giving him a top RB, maybe of all time, and who knows what this cat can do.. even at 40.

After two years in the league that is silly. He has 3,100 yards. If he can stand up to the pounding for 2-4 more years you might actual be able to make that arguement.

probably why it says the word maybe, eh fuck stick? AP is a better offensive weapon than anyone he's ever played with, plain and simple.

You're a real class act.

[Pacopete4]

ooooh I don't know about that one. They may fear him a ton since they'll be trying to stop the run so much, they know he could go off at any moment. Giving him a top RB, maybe of all time, and who knows what this cat can do.. even at 40.

After two years in the league that is silly. He has 3,100 yards. If he can stand up to the pounding for 2-4 more years you might actual be able to make that arguement.

probably why it says the word maybe, eh fuck stick? AP is a better offensive weapon than anyone he's ever played with, plain and simple.

You're a real class act.


I don't respect you at all... you're right. If that makes me un-classy on a message baord, then so be it but you've done your attacking on me... and now I'm not dealing with it anymore.

[Lurker64]

Can we please update the bulletin board software to one with an "ignore user" feature?

[ThunderDan]

If he doesn't get injured again.

The caveat for any running back, player, or team. But excellent (and helpful) observation. :roll:


Don't worry Smack... people around here will take any cheap shot at the Vikes or Brett... mostly outta jealousy of what they are about to have this season.

Yeah in the 50 plus years the Packers have been playing the Vikings no one ever took a cheap shot at the Vikings. It's now only that Favre will play there that the cheap shots begin. :oops:

[ThunderDan]

Oops, I guess its only been 48 years.

[ThunderDan]

ooooh I don't know about that one. They may fear him a ton since they'll be trying to stop the run so much, they know he could go off at any moment. Giving him a top RB, maybe of all time, and who knows what this cat can do.. even at 40.

After two years in the league that is silly. He has 3,100 yards. If he can stand up to the pounding for 2-4 more years you might actual be able to make that arguement.

probably why it says the word maybe, eh fuck stick? AP is a better offensive weapon than anyone he's ever played with, plain and simple.

You're a real class act.


I don't respect you at all... you're right. If that makes me un-classy on a message baord, then so be it but you've done your attacking on me... and now I'm not dealing with it anymore.

Yes, I may point out statistics and facts regarding your posts that contradict what you are saying but I certainly would never stoop to calling anyone here a fuck stick.

[Pacopete4]

ooooh I don't know about that one. They may fear him a ton since they'll be trying to stop the run so much, they know he could go off at any moment. Giving him a top RB, maybe of all time, and who knows what this cat can do.. even at 40.

After two years in the league that is silly. He has 3,100 yards. If he can stand up to the pounding for 2-4 more years you might actual be able to make that arguement.

probably why it says the word maybe, eh fuck stick? AP is a better offensive weapon than anyone he's ever played with, plain and simple.

You're a real class act.


I don't respect you at all... you're right. If that makes me un-classy on a message baord, then so be it but you've done your attacking on me... and now I'm not dealing with it anymore.

Yes, I may point out statistics and facts regarding your posts that contradict what you are saying but I certainly would never stoop to calling anyone here a fuck stick.


sorry that fuck stick hurt your feelings... but I havent seen one stat you've ever posted on these boards...

kinda like when I saw "maybe" the best of all time and you tell me its too early to judge... well no shit sherlock... thats why the word maybe was in there to begin with...

[Fritz]

So how 'bout that Jennings signing, huh? Good news, eh?

[Pacopete4]

So how 'bout that Jennings signing, huh? Good news, eh?


only if he doesn't get hurt :oops:

[hoosier]

According to ESPN, $16M of Jennings's new $27M contract is guaranteed. As he'll only be 29 when this deal expires, he should also be well positioned to get another big deal after this one expires. When you compare numbers it may look like the Packers got a bargain here, but I think Jennings (and his agent) came out pretty well too. Not saying that their successes are mutually exclusive....

[hoosier]

Can we please update the bulletin board software to one with an "ignore user" feature?

Seconded.

[Fritz]

Well, true, but true about all players, right? I wonder sometimes if GM's take that into account more than fans. We generally want the GM's to toss money around like it's monopoly money, but what if you do that and your guy - say Albert Haynesworth - gets hurt? Ouchie.

So you'd shoot for more incentive money, but a player's agent wants the guaranteed cash, for just such a reason. One injury and it's over.

It's a tough business.

[SMACKTALKIE]

And don't talk about Jennings getting injured or I'll punch you in the nose.

I hear ya. I suppose alot of Vikings fans have been joining Packer forums lately. If I were you I'd give them shit too.

Please know I'm not here because of recent events. I've been here for a while and just like a good football conversation.

[SMACKTALKIE]

Oh, and good signing for the Pack. Jennings is legit and deserves the paycheck.

Here is some of what Kevin Siefert wrote today about Jenning's new contract.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcnorth/0-12-105/Jennings-maintains-flexibility-in-new-deal.html


Many of you have asked why the Packers didn't insist on a longer-term contract for a player who is currently 25. Mostly, it's a huge victory for Jennings. Now he will have a chance at free agency before he turns 30. The only explanation I can offer is the Packers would have had to pay more guaranteed money in order to extend the deal for the more typical five or six years. As it is, $16 million of the $27 million is guaranteed.

[ThunderDan]

ooooh I don't know about that one. They may fear him a ton since they'll be trying to stop the run so much, they know he could go off at any moment. Giving him a top RB, maybe of all time, and who knows what this cat can do.. even at 40.

After two years in the league that is silly. He has 3,100 yards. If he can stand up to the pounding for 2-4 more years you might actual be able to make that arguement.

probably why it says the word maybe, eh fuck stick? AP is a better offensive weapon than anyone he's ever played with, plain and simple.

You're a real class act.


I don't respect you at all... you're right. If that makes me un-classy on a message baord, then so be it but you've done your attacking on me... and now I'm not dealing with it anymore.

Yes, I may point out statistics and facts regarding your posts that contradict what you are saying but I certainly would never stoop to calling anyone here a fuck stick.


sorry that fuck stick hurt your feelings... but I havent seen one stat you've ever posted on these boards...
kinda like when I saw "maybe" the best of all time and you tell me its too early to judge... well no shit sherlock... thats why the word maybe was in there to begin with...

What is 3,100 yards??? Oh, I'm sorry I didn't put 3,101 yards which is the exact total he has rushed for

[Gunakor]

ooooh I don't know about that one. They may fear him a ton since they'll be trying to stop the run so much, they know he could go off at any moment. Giving him a top RB, maybe of all time, and who knows what this cat can do.. even at 40.

After two years in the league that is silly. He has 3,100 yards. If he can stand up to the pounding for 2-4 more years you might actual be able to make that arguement.

probably why it says the word maybe, eh fuck stick? AP is a better offensive weapon than anyone he's ever played with, plain and simple.

Ahman Green had a nearly 1900 yard season behind Brett, complimented by another 300 recieving. That doesn't mean Green is as talented as Peterson, but if you judge a football player on production, Peterson wouldn't even be the most productive RB to have ever played with Favre based on his 2 years in the NFL. That could change, of course. But 2200 yards from scrimmage in a single season is a tough one to top. I believe AP is every bit capable enough, but until he does it...


Good point Gunakor. Brett did play with Green and Grant while they put up lots of yards. However I think the sucess of those RBs came in part from the threat of Favre. Any D facing Favre has to respect the pass, and the play action and this keeps them on their heels. RB's playing with Favre have a huge advantage because opposing D's are starting on their heels and never committing an 8th to the box.

Favre has never played with a back the likes of Peterson. Peterson has never played with a QB the likes of Favre. I think Peterson is giong to put up huge numbers this year.

Completely agreed. I'm not trying to downplay AP's talent and ability at all, I was just merely pointing out that Favre has played with some pretty lethal weapons over the course of his career. To say that AP is the most lethal of them all at this point might be a bit of a stretch, all things and all players considered.

That season I mentioned was the pinnacle of Green's career, but that was one of four consecutive seasons where he was around 2000 yards from scrimmage. There may be only a handful of backs in the history of the game that could make that claim. I fully expect Peterson to join that exclusive club, I just didn't appreciate the unintended slight against Ahman Green (also IMO one of the better backs in history, at least for that 4 year stretch).

[SMACKTALKIE]

ooooh I don't know about that one. They may fear him a ton since they'll be trying to stop the run so much, they know he could go off at any moment. Giving him a top RB, maybe of all time, and who knows what this cat can do.. even at 40.

After two years in the league that is silly. He has 3,100 yards. If he can stand up to the pounding for 2-4 more years you might actual be able to make that arguement.

probably why it says the word maybe, eh fuck stick? AP is a better offensive weapon than anyone he's ever played with, plain and simple.

Ahman Green had a nearly 1900 yard season behind Brett, complimented by another 300 recieving. That doesn't mean Green is as talented as Peterson, but if you judge a football player on production, Peterson wouldn't even be the most productive RB to have ever played with Favre based on his 2 years in the NFL. That could change, of course. But 2200 yards from scrimmage in a single season is a tough one to top. I believe AP is every bit capable enough, but until he does it...


Good point Gunakor. Brett did play with Green and Grant while they put up lots of yards. However I think the sucess of those RBs came in part from the threat of Favre. Any D facing Favre has to respect the pass, and the play action and this keeps them on their heels. RB's playing with Favre have a huge advantage because opposing D's are starting on their heels and never committing an 8th to the box.

Favre has never played with a back the likes of Peterson. Peterson has never played with a QB the likes of Favre. I think Peterson is giong to put up huge numbers this year.

Completely agreed. I'm not trying to downplay AP's talent and ability at all, I was just merely pointing out that Favre has played with some pretty lethal weapons over the course of his career. To say that AP is the most lethal of them all at this point might be a bit of a stretch, all things and all players considered.

That season I mentioned was the pinnacle of Green's career, but that was one of four consecutive seasons where he was around 2000 yards from scrimmage. There may be only a handful of backs in the history of the game that could make that claim. I fully expect Peterson to join that exclusive club, I just didn't appreciate the unintended slight against Ahman Green (also IMO one of the better backs in history, at least for that 4 year stretch).

Ahman was pretty sick there for a while. That O line was great too. I used to hate that U71 formation, it always seemed good for at least 5 yards.

[Bossman641]

2)I said that it is asinine to think that McCarthy and Capers fear Favre. Do you think Capers and McCarthy fear Favre?


the only real thing we have to go off on is the fact that they wouldn't let him go wherever he wanted to play football. That tells me they must fear him to a point, doesn't it?

Yea, it could be that

Or it could be that, like any other competent GM in the league, TT had an asset that he knew he could receive value for. But I'm sure Brett, and his fan's, feelings should have been much more important. :roll:

[HarveyWallbangers]

Can we please update the bulletin board software to one with an "ignore user" feature?

Seconded.

[Administrator]

Paco Pete, That's quite enough. No call for this stuff. Debate the issues, or don't post. It is really quite simple.

[mission]

Paco Pete, That's quite enough. No call for this stuff. Debate the issues, or don't post. It is really quite simple.

Ignore feature. Please install it.

You can't reason with these guys, Admin.

[Bossman641]

Can we please update the bulletin board software to one with an "ignore user" feature?

PLEASE. I can't stand to read Patler's drivel any longer.

:lol:

[Administrator]

Paco Pete, That's quite enough. No call for this stuff. Debate the issues, or don't post. It is really quite simple.

Ignore feature. Please install it.

You can't reason with these guys, Admin.

that requires an upgrade to the phbb software. I'm going to do that eventually, but it's very time consuming and I'm a bit short on time.

It'll happen. Just be a bit patient with me. And yes, I agree you can't reason with folks. Paco Pete probably just got his last warning.

[Administrator]

Can we please update the bulletin board software to one with an "ignore user" feature?

PLEASE. I can't stand to read Patler's drivel any longer.

:lol:

Now that's funny right there... :wink:

[Pacopete4]

Paco Pete, That's quite enough. No call for this stuff. Debate the issues, or don't post. It is really quite simple.


probably why it says the word maybe, eh fuck stick? AP is a better offensive weapon than anyone he's ever played with, plain and simple.


that's debating what issue we were talking about...

[Pacopete4]

Paco Pete probably just got his last warning.


:cry: ........

[hoosier]

probably why it says the word maybe, eh fuck stick? AP is a better offensive weapon than anyone he's ever played with, plain and simple.


that's debating what issue we were talking about...

If you remove the words in red, you might be able to argue that you're debating. As it is, your post singlehandedly turned a debate into something ugly. Why do you find it necessary to add words that--I'm only guessing here--you would never dream of using if you were talking to him face to face?

[Pacopete4]

probably why it says the word maybe, eh fuck stick? AP is a better offensive weapon than anyone he's ever played with, plain and simple.


that's debating what issue we were talking about...

If you remove the words in red, you might be able to argue that you're debating. As it is, your post singlehandedly turned a debate into something ugly. Why do you find it necessary to add words that--I'm only guessing here--you would never dream of using if you were talking to him face to face?

eh, its quite possible I still call him a fuck stick in person. Either way, I was debating. Even though I'm not sure why because he himself put the maybe in bold so obviously I wasn't stating that AP was the greatest of all time yet... which is the reason for the fuck stick comment.. like it or not, I used it. my bad.... :oops:

[Lurker64]

This thread could use way less "fuck stick." I don't see any reason that football talk shouldn't remain 100% "fuck stick" free.

[Administrator]

Just a hint PacoPete - STOP REPEATING IT. :roll: Move on.

[Pacopete4]

This thread could use way less "fuck stick." I don't see any reason that football talk shouldn't remain 100% "fuck stick" free.


I hereby claim that I will never use the words fuck and stick, when using them as back to back words, at packerrats ever... ever again :roll:

[Pacopete4]

Just a hint PacoPete - STOP REPEATING IT. :roll: Move on.


Comment edited - Admin

[]{ilr]3]

This thread could use way less "fuck stick." I don't see any reason that football talk shouldn't remain 100% "fuck stick" free.

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[Pacopete4]

{ilr]3]
This thread could use way less "fuck stick." I don't see any reason that football talk shouldn't remain 100% "fuck stick" free.

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love it! :lol:

[pbmax]

1)Asinine is niether an insult or an expletive....
You are not just disagreeing with an opinion, you are insulting the person who holds it. If you think that word is not pejorative, I suggest you go into work and characterize your superior's next suggestion as that and see what happens. So don't waste the time failing to split an imaginary hair.

You also fail to make your own case that the opinion is wrong. You characterize it as stupid (which is the definition of the word you don't believe to be an insult), but present no evidence nor any logic that might lead someone to conclude the same as you. You hope that heaping condescension on the poster and the opinion will win you the day, without having to take the time to convince other observers or participants of your own case. You are essentially name calling, and failing to contribute.

I wouldn't usually bother posting about this, but the contributions you made around the draft convince me that we would be better off having you here. But the insults have to stop. Not because we are too faint-hearted to survive them, but because of the six return insults that immediately result.

Just. Stop. It.

[Rastak]

I think the new sheriff is in town and some of the old non-football insults are going to be a thing of the past. I was out of line a few weeks back and regretted it immediately.

Discussing people's positions on things is fine, the insults and other BS (including stuff that's completely tasteless in the real world, in which the internet resides) being taken out of here is a good thing.

[Lurker64]

I think the new sheriff is in town and some of the old non-football insults are going to be a thing of the past. I was out of line a few weeks back and regretted it immediately.

Discussing people's positions on things is fine, the insults and other BS (including stuff that's completely tasteless in the real world, in which the internet resides) being taken out of here is a good thing.

I definitely agree. Good natured smack-talking is one thing (and is totally appropriate and reasonable on a sports forum), but actually deliberately insulting someone out of anger or other antipathy is something that we need to be rid of here.

[cpk1994]

1)Asinine is niether an insult or an expletive....
You are not just disagreeing with an opinion, you are insulting the person who holds it. If you think that word is not pejorative, I suggest you go into work and characterize your superior's next suggestion as that and see what happens. So don't waste the time failing to split an imaginary hair.

You also fail to make your own case that the opinion is wrong. You characterize it as stupid (which is the definition of the word you don't believe to be an insult), but present no evidence nor any logic that might lead someone to conclude the same as you. You hope that heaping condescension on the poster and the opinion will win you the day, without having to take the time to convince other observers or participants of your own case. You are essentially name calling, and failing to contribute.

I wouldn't usually bother posting about this, but the contributions you made around the draft convince me that we would be better off having you here. But the insults have to stop. Not because we are too faint-hearted to survive them, but because of the six return insults that immediately result.

Just. Stop. It.I characterize the theory that McCarthy and Capers "fear" Favre stupid or assinine. Nothing more. Nothing less.

McCarthy standing up to Favre last offesason and refusing to back down is proof enough. He didn't fear Favre when public sentiemt was severly against him during the fiasco. Coaching against him in two games will be a cakewalk compared to dealing with Favre's childish antics last year.

Capers is one of the best defesnive minds in the business and fearing a 40 year old player you will only see twice would be a waste of his time, especially considering that building his defense is a more important matter. He has gone agsint Favre, Manning Brady etc. After all the years he has been in the game nothing should faze him or cause him to "fear".

Coaches who fear certain "players" should get out of the profession entirely.

[cpk1994]

2)I said that it is asinine to think that McCarthy and Capers fear Favre. Do you think Capers and McCarthy fear Favre?


the only real thing we have to go off on is the fact that they wouldn't let him go wherever he wanted to play football. That tells me they must fear him to a point, doesn't it?

Yea, it could be that

Or it could be that, like any other competent GM in the league, TT had an asset that he knew he could receive value for. But I'm sure Brett, and his fan's, feelings should have been much more important. :roll:I agree. To put this into perspective. you will note that the Patriots traded Matt Cassel outside of their division. Were they wrong becuase they didn't let Cassel go to the Bills or Dolphins?

[SnakeLH2006]

Speaking of fucksticks is one thing (it is uncalled for and juvenile), but if Paco is gone, shouldn't his alter-ego/nemesis CPK be gone too? No? Both of differing opinions that piss off most veteran PackerRats, but alas, just the same, except CPK is even MORE negative about EVERYTHING then Paco. Gonna clean house with Paco?...then let's clean it up. Just saying... :smack:

Back on topic...Good deal. We'll get Jennings done again in 4 years. Don't piss off the franchise player.

[Fritz]

The "proof" someone tried to use about MM and TT "fearing" Favre - that they obviously fear him since they went out of their way to trade Favre to the other conference - is no proof at all. That's a pretty standard tactic - if you trade a guy, trade him to the other conference if you can, to a team outside your division if you can't, and rarely to a team in your division. A while back there was a thread on this - there have been intra-division trades but they're not common.

So I suppose you could argue that anyone who gets traded outside their former team's division "strikes fear." But I dunno. Maybe Kansas City feared R-Kal Truluck when they sent him to Mike Sherman and the NFC for a couple of picks!

As for the whole "fuck stick" debate, well, it actually could be used in a friendly way, but you'd have to be clear about the context. For example, suppose I stopped posting for awhile, and when I returned someone wrote "Hey, Fritz, you crazy fuck-stick, where ya been?"

But tone is hard to get across for some writers, so maybe it's a phrase best avoided, though I do kinda like it myself. It's up there with 'assclown" and "asshat" in my book, though "meanie" and "poopy-head" always work too.

[pbmax]

McCarthy and Capers fear no player. Asinine to think otherwise.

Its been a long time since I diagrammed a sentence, but your second sentence is a fragment and its missing it subject and verb.

A complete sentence would read: It is asinine to think otherwise.

You claim that your subject would have been the theory you are critiquing: "Your theory is asinine to think otherwise". Not going to work, unless you are also claiming theories think on their own.

My version of what you intended: "You are asinine to think otherwise".

Given your history of insults, I don't think this was a typo. First you claim asinine is not an insult. That excuse has fallen by the wayside, you are claiming that it was directed at the opinion. Just stop.

[pbmax]

Jennings contract numbers per PFT:

Even if he hits all the incentives and optional money, the deal is under $9 million per year. One oddity, he has a big signing bonus. Not sure why, after this contract feature had become less popular. Only $8 million of his contract money hits the cap this year. But the base salaries are relatively low in the next years, so its still not a cap albatross even after adding the signing bonus pro-ration each year.

Breaking Down Greg Jennings’ Payday
Posted by Aaron Wilson on June 26, 2009, 5:49 p.m.

Green Bay Packers wide receiver Greg Jennings’ three-year contract extension included $26.35 million in new money for an average annual worth of nearly $9 million, according to Tom Silverstein of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel.

Per the report, Jennings was given an $11.25 million signing bonus and his $5 million base salary for this season has been guaranteed.

Under his old contract, Jennings was due just $535,000 in 2009.

He received a total of $16.25 million in guaranted money with base salaries of $1.85 million in 2010, $2.7 million in 2011 and $3.885 million in 2012.

According to Silverstein, Jennings can earn as much as an additional $400,000 between 2010 and 2012 in per-game roster bonuses and $300,000 workout bonuses are included for each offseason in 2010, 2011 and 2012.

Jennings also can make a total of $2.95 million more through escalator clauses.

And Jennings’ new salary-cap figure is $8.154 million, which leaves the Packers $21.5 million under the NFL’s salary cap.

No matter how you slice it, it’s a nice chunk of change for a promising young receiver.

Plus, Jennings is scheduled to be a free agent in 2013 during what should be the prime of his career.

[falco]

Speaking of fucksticks is one thing (it is uncalled for and juvenile), but if Paco is gone, shouldn't his alter-ego/nemesis CPK be gone too? No? Both of differing opinions that piss off most veteran PackerRats, but alas, just the same, except CPK is even MORE negative about EVERYTHING then Paco. Gonna clean house with Paco?...then let's clean it up. Just saying... :smack:


It's funny, I thought the same exact thing...it's like a teeter totter and one person just jumped off. :P

[Scott Campbell]

A 4 year deal means that if he's playing well, they're back at the negotiating table in 3 summers when he's only 28.

[falco]

A 4 year deal means that if he's playing well, they're back at the negotiating table in 3 summers when he's only 28.

Not sure who won on this one, but my guess is GJ.

[bobblehead]

A 4 year deal means that if he's playing well, they're back at the negotiating table in 3 summers when he's only 28.

Not sure who won on this one, but my guess is GJ.

yes and no. TT could have signed him for more, but then with the way the game is today he would hold out in 4 years and want more, so this way we don't go thru the grief.

[falco]

A 4 year deal means that if he's playing well, they're back at the negotiating table in 3 summers when he's only 28.

Not sure who won on this one, but my guess is GJ.

yes and no. TT could have signed him for more, but then with the way the game is today he would hold out in 4 years and want more, so this way we don't go thru the grief.

Good point.

[SnakeLH2006]

A 4 year deal means that if he's playing well, they're back at the negotiating table in 3 summers when he's only 28.

Not sure who won on this one, but my guess is GJ.

yes and no. TT could have signed him for more, but then with the way the game is today he would hold out in 4 years and want more, so this way we don't go thru the grief.

That's very true. There's also the possibility that TT wanted to just get a deal done, to make time to work on other contracts too. GJ surely didn't break the bank, yet got a good chunk of cash for the short term.

[Scott Campbell]

A 4 year deal means that if he's playing well, they're back at the negotiating table in 3 summers when he's only 28.

Not sure who won on this one, but my guess is GJ.


I'm sure who won. Both sides.

[pbmax]

I just read the contract breakdown on packerupdate and compared it to Silverstein's article for JSO. I think, and I could be wrong, that Silverstein swallowed a line from the agent about the average of the "new" money and reported it, failing to note that the new money only averaged almost $9 million is you ignored this year.

Of course, Jennings is receiving a good chunk of change this year and it extends his current deal so he has four remaining years. Consider this a four year deal, and his average is between $7 and $7.5 million per year. It looks like an even better bargain if those numbers are more accurate.

[SMACKTALKIE]

A 4 year deal means that if he's playing well, they're back at the negotiating table in 3 summers when he's only 28.

Not sure who won on this one, but my guess is GJ.


I'm sure who won. Both sides.


This looks like a victory for GJ. If he continues to progress as he has so far, he will be at the top of his game when he's 28. That may be a monster contract. And it may be from another team. It seems as though GJ is going to be available to the likes of Dan Snyder in a possibly uncapped year.

[Lurker64]

It seems as though GJ is going to be available to the likes of Dan Snyder in a possibly uncapped year.

Not going to happen. If the NFL doesn't get a CBA in place before the 2010 season resulting in an uncapped year, and they don't get one in place before the 2011 season, there will be a lockout until a new CBA (with salary cap) can be approved.

[Rastak]

It seems as though GJ is going to be available to the likes of Dan Snyder in a possibly uncapped year.

Not going to happen. If the NFL doesn't get a CBA in place before the 2010 season resulting in an uncapped year, and they don't get one in place before the 2011 season, there will be a lockout until a new CBA (with salary cap) can be approved.


Completely agree.....

2010 could be an upcapped year but there is no way 2011 gets played without a CBA being agreed to.

[ThunderDan]

A 4 year deal means that if he's playing well, they're back at the negotiating table in 3 summers when he's only 28.

Not sure who won on this one, but my guess is GJ.


I'm sure who won. Both sides.


This looks like a victory for GJ. If he continues to progress as he has so far, he will be at the top of his game when he's 28. That may be a monster contract. And it may be from another team. It seems as though GJ is going to be available to the likes of Dan Snyder in a possibly uncapped year.

And Snyder could grab AP too since his contract is up the same year as Jennings. :oops:

[SMACKTALKIE]

A 4 year deal means that if he's playing well, they're back at the negotiating table in 3 summers when he's only 28.

Not sure who won on this one, but my guess is GJ.


I'm sure who won. Both sides.


This looks like a victory for GJ. If he continues to progress as he has so far, he will be at the top of his game when he's 28. That may be a monster contract. And it may be from another team. It seems as though GJ is going to be available to the likes of Dan Snyder in a possibly uncapped year.

And Snyder could grab AP too since his contract is up the same year as Jennings. :oops:

Way to keep the thread on track.

Of course the Vikings could extend AD's contract, long term, before it ends........ like they do with most of their stars.

I find it odd that the pack agreed on such a short contract.

[SMACKTALKIE]

It seems as though GJ is going to be available to the likes of Dan Snyder in a possibly uncapped year.

Not going to happen. If the NFL doesn't get a CBA in place before the 2010 season resulting in an uncapped year, and they don't get one in place before the 2011 season, there will be a lockout until a new CBA (with salary cap) can be approved.

I hope it does'nt come to that.

[ThunderDan]

A 4 year deal means that if he's playing well, they're back at the negotiating table in 3 summers when he's only 28.

Not sure who won on this one, but my guess is GJ.


I'm sure who won. Both sides.


This looks like a victory for GJ. If he continues to progress as he has so far, he will be at the top of his game when he's 28. That may be a monster contract. And it may be from another team. It seems as though GJ is going to be available to the likes of Dan Snyder in a possibly uncapped year.

And Snyder could grab AP too since his contract is up the same year as Jennings. :oops:

Way to keep the thread on track.

Of course the Vikings could extend AD's contract, long term, before it ends........ like they do with most of their stars.
I find it odd that the pack agreed on such a short contract.

Kind of like what TT has been doing in Green Bay? He rewards players that are producing. In 3 years the Packers will rework the contract, if GJ becomes a superstar the Packers sure as hell won't be paying him 7 million in 2012.

[ThunderDan]

A 4 year deal means that if he's playing well, they're back at the negotiating table in 3 summers when he's only 28.

Not sure who won on this one, but my guess is GJ.


I'm sure who won. Both sides.


This looks like a victory for GJ. If he continues to progress as he has so far, he will be at the top of his game when he's 28. That may be a monster contract. And it may be from another team. It seems as though GJ is going to be available to the likes of Dan Snyder in a possibly uncapped year.

And Snyder could grab AP too since his contract is up the same year as Jennings. :oops:

Way to keep the thread on track.
Of course the Vikings could extend AD's contract, long term, before it ends........ like they do with most of their stars.

I find it odd that the pack agreed on such a short contract.

Way to take the thread off track first. TT would never let a Packer superstar in his prime walk away. At worst he would tag GJ.

So you really brought up a highly unlikely event, so I brought up that AP's contact expires the same year.

[SMACKTALKIE]

A 4 year deal means that if he's playing well, they're back at the negotiating table in 3 summers when he's only 28.

Not sure who won on this one, but my guess is GJ.


I'm sure who won. Both sides.


This looks like a victory for GJ. If he continues to progress as he has so far, he will be at the top of his game when he's 28. That may be a monster contract. And it may be from another team. It seems as though GJ is going to be available to the likes of Dan Snyder in a possibly uncapped year.

And Snyder could grab AP too since his contract is up the same year as Jennings. :oops:

Way to keep the thread on track.

Of course the Vikings could extend AD's contract, long term, before it ends........ like they do with most of their stars.
I find it odd that the pack agreed on such a short contract.

Kind of like what TT has been doing in Green Bay? He rewards players that are producing. In 3 years the Packers will rework the contract, if GJ becomes a superstar the Packers sure as hell won't be paying him 7 million in 2012.


So... again.... This looks like a victory for GJ.

[ThunderDan]

A 4 year deal means that if he's playing well, they're back at the negotiating table in 3 summers when he's only 28.

Not sure who won on this one, but my guess is GJ.


I'm sure who won. Both sides.


This looks like a victory for GJ. If he continues to progress as he has so far, he will be at the top of his game when he's 28. That may be a monster contract. And it may be from another team. It seems as though GJ is going to be available to the likes of Dan Snyder in a possibly uncapped year.

And Snyder could grab AP too since his contract is up the same year as Jennings. :oops:

Way to keep the thread on track.

Of course the Vikings could extend AD's contract, long term, before it ends........ like they do with most of their stars.
I find it odd that the pack agreed on such a short contract.

Kind of like what TT has been doing in Green Bay? He rewards players that are producing. In 3 years the Packers will rework the contract, if GJ becomes a superstar the Packers sure as hell won't be paying him 7 million in 2012.


So... again.... This looks like a victory for GJ.

I think both sides made out just fine. The Packers get an up and coming "superstar" (well damn good so far but who knows in the NFL for sure) for 3 years and GJ makes a boatload of money and will get paid again later in his career. Why wouldn't a team pay for a top 3 guy at thier postion?

If AP lives up to his hype, I can only imagine what kind of numbers he will get and after how many years of his original contract.

[sharpe1027]

Wasn't it a four year deal, the original deal plus three new years?

SMACKTALKIE,

Long-term contracts generally don't make sense, IMHO. They are just too risky. If the player doesn't play up to the contract, gets injured or demands a trade, the team is in trouble. If the signed player exceeds his contract and/or other players start getting bigger contracts, the signed player often demands more money before the contract expires anyway. It seems to make more sense for both sides to sign for medium length of time and then re-evaluate the situation before the contract expires.

Good deal for both sides.

[SMACKTALKIE]

Wasn't it a four year deal, the original deal plus three new years?

SMACKTALKIE,

Long-term contracts generally don't make sense, IMHO. They are just too risky. If the player doesn't play up to the contract, gets injured or demands a trade, the team is in trouble. If the signed player exceeds his contract and/or other players start getting bigger contracts, the signed player often demands more money before the contract expires anyway. It seems to make more sense for both sides to sign for medium length of time and then re-evaluate the situation before the contract expires.

Good deal for both sides.

Thats a good point. I guess one look at the fact that Winfield is not attending OTA's ia a good example of this.

However, an NFL contract is only a "contract" in a loose sense. If GJ suddenly decides to go on the Gilbert Brown diet, or attends the Troy Williamson school of pass recieving, he can always be cut. I guess in that case a shorter term contract makes sense to avoid dead money via a signing bonus.

This does seems to fall in line with TT's conservative approach.

GJ get rich(er) and Green Bay covers their ass. I guess it is a win-win.

[Lurker64]

It seems as though GJ is going to be available to the likes of Dan Snyder in a possibly uncapped year.

Not going to happen. If the NFL doesn't get a CBA in place before the 2010 season resulting in an uncapped year, and they don't get one in place before the 2011 season, there will be a lockout until a new CBA (with salary cap) can be approved.

I hope it does'nt come to that.

Me too, but it's fairly clear that 2010 is going to be the only uncapped year. The best case scenario, IMO, is that they just get a CBA this done this summer and avoid the 2010 debacle.

But there's no way the owners are going to agree to any CBA that doesn't include revenue sharing and a salary cap. They're not stupid enough to kill the goose that lays golden eggs, and they hold all the cards if everybody decides to play hardball.

[cpk1994]

.

But there's no way the owners are going to agree to any CBA that doesn't include revenue sharing and a salary cap. They're not stupid enough to kill the goose that lays golden eggs, and they hold all the cards if everybody decides to play hardball.They aren't except for Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder.

[pbmax]

Actually, it would be interesting if they went completely CBA free in 2011. That might be the only thing that would introduce the guaranteed contract to the NFL. It would only take one owner lusting after one player, and the dam would be broken.

But I agree, 2011 will not happen without new terms. The owners have some built-in advantages in 2010 (6 years for FA qualifying, low minimum salary, no salary floor) but those restrictions will look less intimidating when everyone is a free agent. From an egghead perspective, it would be a fascinating prospect. Charley Finley would have finally have his chance to be proven right.

Start of Baseball Free Agency (http://tinyurl.com/mm8ca4)

[Rastak]

Actually, it would be interesting if they went completely CBA free in 2011. That might be the only thing that would introduce the guaranteed contract to the NFL. It would only take one owner lusting after one player, and the dam would be broken.

But I agree, 2011 will not happen without new terms. The owners have some built-in advantages in 2010 (6 years for FA qualifying, low minimum salary, no salary floor) but those restrictions will look less intimidating when everyone is a free agent. From an egghead perspective, it would be a fascinating prospect. Charley Finley would have finally have his chance to be proven right.

Start of Baseball Free Agency (http://tinyurl.com/mm8ca4)

PB, no CBA == no college draft.....not a good thing IMHO.

[Lurker64]

Actually, it would be interesting if they went completely CBA free in 2011. That might be the only thing that would introduce the guaranteed contract to the NFL. It would only take one owner lusting after one player, and the dam would be broken.

But I agree, 2011 will not happen without new terms. The owners have some built-in advantages in 2010 (6 years for FA qualifying, low minimum salary, no salary floor) but those restrictions will look less intimidating when everyone is a free agent. From an egghead perspective, it would be a fascinating prospect. Charley Finley would have finally have his chance to be proven right.

Start of Baseball Free Agency (http://tinyurl.com/mm8ca4)

PB, no CBA == no college draft.....not a good thing IMHO.

That's potentially the most serious problem. An owner willing to outbid everybody else could sign every single notable college prospect. There's no way that the NFL is going to let the 2011 season happen without a CBA.

[SnakeLH2006]

Actually, it would be interesting if they went completely CBA free in 2011. That might be the only thing that would introduce the guaranteed contract to the NFL. It would only take one owner lusting after one player, and the dam would be broken.

But I agree, 2011 will not happen without new terms. The owners have some built-in advantages in 2010 (6 years for FA qualifying, low minimum salary, no salary floor) but those restrictions will look less intimidating when everyone is a free agent. From an egghead perspective, it would be a fascinating prospect. Charley Finley would have finally have his chance to be proven right.

Start of Baseball Free Agency (http://tinyurl.com/mm8ca4)

PB, no CBA == no college draft.....not a good thing IMHO.

That's potentially the most serious problem. An owner willing to outbid everybody else could sign every single notable college prospect. There's no way that the NFL is going to let the 2011 season happen without a CBA.

No way the NFL goes the way of baseball..If it happens, this is the end of American sports. NBA is fucked up salary wise, but still has a deece cap. The NFL rules by the cap (else the Pack would be a shittier version of the Brewers cap wise)...and baseball is joke too. No way this gets so bad the cap goes away. If so, fuck the NFL. WE WON'T BE RELEVANT.