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packrulz
06-28-2009, 05:59 AM
It looks like M3 might go with Clifton at LT, then Colledge, Spitz, Sitton, and Barbre at RT on the offensive line. Packers player analysis by position

BY PETE DOUGHERTY • pdougher@greenbaypressgazette.com • June 27, 2009
When General Manager Ted Thompson traded two third-round draft picks to move up from the second round to the first to select Clay Matthews, the price alone indicated the Green Bay Packers saw the former USC outside linebacker as a viable starter as a rookie.
But don’t be shocked if second-year pro Jeremy Thompson ends up playing ahead of Matthews at right outside linebacker this season.
After a non-descript rookie season as a 4-3 defensive end, Thompson has shown this offseason he might be just as well suited to play outside linebacker in the Packers’ new 3-4 scheme. He’s big for the hybrid rush-cover position at 270 pounds, as opposed to Matthews at 245 pounds, but many NFL teams considered Thompson a 3-4 prospect coming out of Wake Forest last year, and he finished last week’s final minicamp still working with the No. 1 defense, ahead of Matthews and opposite Aaron Kampman, the 265-pound starter at left outside linebacker.

“There’s a chance both our outside linebackers could be fairly good sized and physical players,” defensive coordinator Dom Capers said last week.

With the switch to the 3-4, the Packers have had to re-tool their defensive roster to reflect the prominence of the linebacker position, thus the drafting of Matthews and seventh-round developmental prospect Brad Jones (6-3, 232) at the critical outside linebacker spot. But the rest of the larger linebacker corps will be returning players.

Their starters at inside linebacker are Nick Barnett, who is coming off knee-reconstruction surgery, and A.J. Hawk. The Packers are looking for Hawk to be much more of a factor after his play dipped last season while playing through chest and hamstring injuries all year. But if the No. 5 pick overall from 2006 isn’t more instinctive and physical than in ’08, backup Brandon Chillar is a credible alternative to take some of his snaps as the season goes on.

Kampman’s move from defensive end to outside linebacker is one of this season’s unknowns and only can be answered on the field, though the Packers are adamant that he’s a superior athlete to Greg Ellis and Mike Vrabel, who were effective 3-4 outside linebackers after making the change from 4-3 end.

Brady Poppinga is backing up Kampman on the left side because Thompson and Matthews are ahead of him on the right side, and Jones looks like a special-teams core player because of his overall athleticism. Third-year pro Desmond Bishop goes into camp ahead of Danny Lansanah as the No. 4 inside linebacker.

Following is a thumbnail look at the rest of the Packers’ roster, position by position, now that all the formal offseason work is finished, and training camp about five weeks away:
Defensive line:

With first-round pick B.J. Raji moving to defensive end this summer to play alongside nose tackle Ryan Pickett in the base defense, the biggest questions are how well Cullen Jenkins fits in the new scheme and whether former first-round pick Justin Harrell will be a factor after two seasons lost to triceps, ankle and back injuries.

Jenkins missed the final 12 games last season because of surgery to repair a torn pectoral muscle, and he hasn’t practiced all offseason after having surgery on a lingering ankle injury from 2006. He’s the likely starter at right defensive end, but the Packers won’t know until the pads come on whether he’s undersized (6-2, 305) for the base defense. At the least, he and Raji will be the main inside rushers on passing downs.

Harrell’s back finally got healthy enough to practice this spring, so he had his first run through the offseason program even though he’s entering his third year in the league. He’s the physical prototype (6-4, 320) for a 3-4 end, but is he a player? and can he stay healthy?

The Packers’ drafted Jarius Wynn in the sixth round as a 3-4 end, and he appears to play with greater strength than his size (6-3, 277) would suggest, and also has the frame to carry more weight as he matures.

The outcome of end Johnny Jolly’s trial in mid-July for possession of more than 200 grams of codeine will determine whether the NFL suspends him for the first four games of the season, which could dramatically affect his impact this year. Fifth-year pro Michael Montgomery (6-5, 273) faces an uphill battle to fit as an end in the 3-4 scheme. Undrafted rookie Ronald Talley (6-3, 282) of Delaware has been a surprise at end this summer and could challenge for a roster spot.
Secondary:

Al Harris has made his living as a pure bump-and-run cornerback, so his ability at age 34 to function at that same level in Capers’ more multiple man-zone coverages will warrant a close look.

Nickel cornerback Tramon Williams keeps getting better each offseason and looks like a future starter. Pat Lee, a second-round pick last year, was a non-entity as a rookie but at least has improved enough to possibly pass Will Blackmon for the No. 4 cornerback job.

The Packers don’t seem worried that safety Nick Collins will have any trouble learning the new defense even though he skipped almost all voluntary work because of dissatisfaction with his contract. He’s kept open the door for a holdout, but considering the cost – the Packers could recover some of his rookie signing bonus if he doesn’t report on time – the best guess is he’ll show up and play out the final year if they don’t extend his deal.

One place the Packers think they’ll be better than last year is at the other safety, where Atari Bigby in ’08 was a shell of the player who closed the 2007 season as a physical force. Bigby was in and out of the lineup last year because of an injured ankle that left him visibly limping most of the time. Though he’s missed all offseason practices recovering from surgery, he should be healthy and especially motivated heading into his free-agent year.

Free agent Anthony Smith, who played in Pittsburgh’s 3-4 the past three seasons, looked better than third-year pro Aaron Rouse in offseason practices. Sixth-round pick Brandon Underwood is a wire thin (6-1, 198) cornerback but has promising cover skills.
Quarterbacks:

Aaron Rodgers was, in a word, sharp this offseason.

Matt Flynn, a seventh-round pick last year, remains well ahead of his more renowned classmate, former second-round pick Brian Brohm, for the backup job. Flynn has an average arm at best but is a leader and has enough mobility to make some plays when things break down. Brohm is better than last year but still had too many head-scratching moments as well as a surprising number of ducks this summer.
Offensive line:

Second-year pro Breno Giacomini’s ankle surgery all but killed his chances of starting at right tackle, because while he rehabilitated all offseason, Allen Barbre played well enough to become the clear front-runner. However, if Barbre regresses when the pads go on, don’t count out fourth-round pick T.J. Lang, who is surprisingly athletic.

Scott Wells will have an extremely difficult time regaining the starting center job from Jason Spitz after missing all offseason recovering from major shoulder surgery. That could leave Wells’ roster spot in jeopardy also, depending on how many linemen the Packers keep, because free-agent Duke Preston is a backup not only at center but also guard, and Tony Moll can backup four of the five offensive line spots.

Going into his fourth season, Daryn Colledge has gradually developed into a consistent presence at left guard. Second-year pro Josh Sitton might bring a nastier streak to the line as the starting right guard. Fifth-round pick Jamon Meredith (6-5, 304) has shown more than enough athletic ability to warrant making the roster as a tackle prospect.
Running back:

If DeShawn Wynn continues to show the professionalism he has this offseason, he’ll be the front-runner over Kregg Lumpkin for the No. 3 halfback job because he’s the more gifted ball carrier.

Last offseason, coach Mike McCarthy regularly lauded No. 2 back Brandon Jackson for making major strides in the Packers’ workout program. Jackson has been a smaller presence this offseason, in part because unlike last year, Ryan Grant is under contract and taking the majority of snaps with the No. 1 offense. The hamstring injury that plagued Grant all last year is healthy, so this season should reveal what kind of back he is.

Quinn Johnson, a fifth-round pick, figures to be a core special-teams player and perhaps starter at fullback. Either Korey Hall or John Kuhn will get cut in what should be a close contest for the other fullback spot. Hall worked with the starters in the offseason.
Receiver:

This looks like the Packers’ best position for quality depth.

Greg Jennings is a top-10 receiver in the league, and Donald Driver is becoming something of an ageless wonder at 34.

James Jones had bulked up to the 220-pound range last year at this time, and he looks a little quicker this year now that he’s back down to just under 210 pounds.

And second-year pro Jordy Nelson quietly was one of the standouts of the offseason. He didn’t make eye-popping plays but seemed to be open a lot and is developing a good chemistry with Rodgers.

Second-year pro Brett Swain made good use of his time on the practice squad last year and offseason in the team’s workout program, but he has to translate an encouraging summer into more physical play when the pads go on, which he failed to do last year. Fourth-year pro Ruvell Martin remains the front-runner for the No. 5 receiving job.

Undrafted rookie Kole Heckendorf of Mosinee is a big target (6-2 191) and was one of the best undrafted rookies on the Packers’ practice field, though he’s still a long-shot to make the 53-man roster.
Tight ends:

Jermichael Finley’s raw talent makes him the best candidate on the roster to add new juice to the offense after floundering as an early entry draftee as a rookie. Based on his spring and summer, he might challenge Donald Lee for the starting job.

Good luck guessing who will be the No. 3 tight end – it most likely will come from among Tory Humphrey, Evan Moore and undrafted rookie Carson Butler, or a player picked up at the end of training camp. Humphrey can run but has a bad injury history and had only 11 catches despite playing in every game last year. Moore looked OK last summer until a season-ending knee injury in the exhibition season. Butler (6-4, 255) has more physical talent than the usual undrafted free agent but missed most of the offseason practices with a leg injury.
Specialists:

Jeremy Kapinos appears to have an edge over Durant Brooks for the punting job heading into training camp, though exhibition games will weigh heavily there. Will Blackmon is a more dangerous punt returner than kickoff returner but is the primary man for both jobs. Second-year pro Brett Goode looks like a keeper at long-snapper.

pbmax
06-28-2009, 09:01 AM
I am not sure Vrabel spent much of his pro career on the D line. He started with the Steelers and was eventually told he was not in line for a starting LB gig, which is when he opted to sign with New England. He may have played End in college.

I am also not sure that Breno is in such a hole for the starting RT position. There was no mention of his being behind the recovery timeline, so the coaches still think he has a chance and Barbre, while his OTAs are encouraging, hasn't hit anyone yet.

Other than that nit, a nice summation of where things stand prior to camp.

packrulz
06-28-2009, 03:43 PM
It's early, too early to tell who will start, but I'd rather read about the Packers than thread after thread about the Favre drama. He should start his own network, FARV, all Farve, all the time.

Rastak
06-28-2009, 03:46 PM
It's early, too early to tell who will start, but I'd rather read about the Packers than thread after thread about the Favre drama. He should start his own network, FARV, all Favre, all the time.


http://www.kfavre.com/pages/kfavre2.html

cpk1994
06-28-2009, 06:33 PM
It's early, too early to tell who will start, but I'd rather read about the Packers than thread after thread about the Favre drama. He should start his own network, FARV, all Favre, all the time.Well, he laready has a network of his own: ESPN.

Partial
06-28-2009, 07:16 PM
Really disappointed hearing this about Brohmski. I was a big fan of his and thought he would be able to put it all together and be challenging A-Rod by next year. Doesn't look like that is going to happen :(

SkinBasket
06-28-2009, 07:51 PM
Really disappointed hearing this about Brohmski. I was a big fan of his and thought he would be able to put it all together and be challenging A-Rod by next year. Doesn't look like that is going to happen :(

It is my opinion that this position is poorly researched and is not backed by any reasonable evidence. My opinion does not mean any disrespect toward the integrity of said stated position, and does not wish said position any ill will. My opinion simply thinks that said position is not supportable given the empirical evidence and evident truths that each player has posited in their time as Green Bay Packer players.

Lurker64
06-28-2009, 07:59 PM
I was really unhappy when we drafted Brohm in the second last year (I've never liked him as a player, even in college), and so far he's done nothing to dispell my general disdain for him. He's a player with a pedigree and a lot of hype, but no leadership whatsoever.

Hopefully we can trade him for something in a few years, but all the talk of "ready to start in the NFL" before the draft was complete hogwash.

Brando19
06-28-2009, 08:48 PM
I'm a huge Brohm fan. He lit it up at Louisville. I don't know why he can't seem to adjust in the NFL. I hope he sticks around with Green Bay and "gets it" so he can emerge as the number 2. I'm not sold on Matt Damon....I mean Matt Flynn.

pbmax
06-28-2009, 09:27 PM
Really disappointed hearing this about Brohmski. I was a big fan of his and thought he would be able to put it all together and be challenging A-Rod by next year. Doesn't look like that is going to happen :(

It is my opinion that this position is poorly researched and is not backed by any reasonable evidence. My opinion does not mean any disrespect toward the integrity of said stated position, and does not wish said position any ill will. My opinion simply thinks that said position is not supportable given the empirical evidence and evident truths that each player has posited in their time as Green Bay Packer players.
The re-education has gone well with this one. :lol:

Joemailman
06-28-2009, 10:21 PM
Brohm had great numbers his senior year at Louisville, but there was talk he didn't respond well to the adversity of being on a team having a disappointing year. Makes me wonder if his problem is a loss of confidence.

Flynn looks to me like a guy who will manage to have a long career in the NFL as a backup despite some physical limitations. He may be similar to Ty Detmer, although at times he reminds me a little bit of Jeff Garcia.

rbaloha1
06-28-2009, 10:24 PM
I was really unhappy when we drafted Brohm in the second last year (I've never liked him as a player, even in college), and so far he's done nothing to dispell my general disdain for him. He's a player with a pedigree and a lot of hype, but no leadership whatsoever.

Hopefully we can trade him for something in a few years, but all the talk of "ready to start in the NFL" before the draft was complete hogwash.

Unfortunately I agree. Liked Brohm in college and was thrilled with the pick.

Louisville ran a pro style offense. Brohm was poised and threw for a bunch of yards. Much of Brohm's college success was probably due to his brother's hard coaching. NFL people thought once Brohm escaped his brother greater success would occur.

So far Brohm is a bust. Recall how poorly AR looked his first 2 years and appeared to be a bust.

Joemailman
06-28-2009, 10:44 PM
Actually, Arod showed some progress his second year. He had a 101 QB rating in the pre-season despite having to learn his 2nd offensive system in as many years. Brohm has the advantage of being in the same system for 2 years in a row. He needs to show some improvement.

Lurker64
06-28-2009, 11:17 PM
Brohm has the advantage of being in the same system for 2 years in a row. He needs to show some improvement.

Not only that, but Brohm has had the advantage of working under McCarthy (who is by all accounts, a guru when it comes to "teaching young QBs to play in the NFL") for his entire tenure, while Rodgers had his first year under the Sherman regime, which, despite many strengths, was generally unsuccessful at nurturing and controlling quarterbacks.

Personally, I'm just not sure if Brohm has the mental toughness to be an NFL QB. There's a lot of guys with talent who just flamed out due to lack of mental toughness (Ryan Leaf anybody?). Brohm never reacted well to adversity in college, though he was very talented. Will he somehow learn to do so in Green Bay? Who knows.

As of right now, he has bust written all over him, but it's early in the game yet. But that he hasn't even made up ground on Flynn (a player picked five rounds later, with significantly less natural talent, and only a minor advantage in NFL experience) is worrisome. By all accounts, actually, Flynn has widened the gap.

vince
06-29-2009, 07:56 AM
While it's been done numerous times here in repeated attempts to diminish Rodgers' potential and/or build up others such as Vince Young, Matt Ryan, and here Brohm to a lesser extent, comparing any quarterback's start to Rodgers' as a means of projecting future performance or potential is typically an exercise in futility.

Rodgers was a known "project" in that, coming in as a product of the Tedford quarterback system, his mechanics were all wrong for the NFL. Jeff Tedford ingrains in his quarterbacks very different footwork, ball positioning and ball handling than that which is taught by West Coast coaches.

Not only did Rodgers need to learn a completely new, faster paced and highly complex offense, but he had to reorient his muscle memory to even be able to play the position. It's little surprise looking back at Rodgers' NFL start that he initially struggled with a completely new quick-hit offense, trying to read coverages and make decisions about where the ball should go, all while simultaneously trying to force his body to do different things it was unaccustomed to doing.

While all quarterbacks have to overcome some combination of the above, (which is why most of them struggle and/or are used ultraconservatively like Flacco and Roesthlisburger in their first years of playing) few if any have to do it to the extent those coming from the Tedford system, which emphasizes and drills in a specific system of mechanics probably more than any other teaching approach. Even fewer have the combination of all-around physical skill, mental capacity and work ethic to adapt as successfully as Rodgers has.

I think Brohm's struggles have been with learning the west coast offense compared to the more slowly developing and vertical attack he was successful with in college, but his biggest problem may be his slow feet in this quick-timing passing attack. He may never be able to overcome that. My hope for him would be that he can show enough potential to fetch a reasonable trade to a team that doesn't run the West Coast offense.

Fritz
06-29-2009, 08:41 AM
I actually enjoyed that JSO article - one of the better pieces from them, even if you don't agree with all of their analysis.

I do hope Brohm picks it up in training camp and then next training camp is even better - if it's true he doesn't fit with a west coast offense, then making him look like a real NFL QB next summer will be job #1 - so the Pack can trade him and maybe get more than a second for him - maybe a couple of seconds, like someone paid for that Matt Schaub guy a couple years ago.

pbmax
06-29-2009, 09:02 AM
Vince, Rodgers "deprogramming" was probably no more complex than other system quarterbacks coming out of college, whether they played for Spurrier, Leach, Hal Mumme or Joe Tiller. And most drafted QBs fail to become starters in the NFL.

McCarthy discussed the position Rodgers held the ball, said he wanted it to come down lower, and described his plan as "to do nothing and let it come down naturally."

All QBs need to learn new footwork if they are changing systems and the systems require new timing/different routes.

But Tedford's system is quite complex, its not a single read system as I have seen it described. I think the likelihood is that Tedford has made some marginal 1st day NFL talents at QB look amazing in college, which pumps up their draft position.

This is not to minimize the adjustment Rodgers had to make, but by his second year of preseason as someone pointed out, he had made a good adjustment. I think the thing that goes missing in discussing Rodgers, is total number of starts in Div I. If you have a QB with that talent, but is coming out early or did not start until late, one way to overcome a relative lack of starting experience is to park them on the bench, like Rodgers did for three years. Not all teams have Favre ahead of Mr. Draftee, but he clearly benefited from the time to learn and the lack of pressure.

vince
06-29-2009, 09:40 AM
Perhaps you're right pb, although it definitely takes time to adjust mechanics. One need only to look at other Tedford quarterbacks to see the challenges inherent in converting to the NFL from this system. I agree that the other Tedford qb's may not have had all the talent, but Boller had a rocket arm, as did Akili Smith.

His deprogramming from that system goes a long way toward explaining his learning curve when he first entered the league. Your point about number of starts at the Div. 1 level is also valid. Both of those challenges have often been overlooked when comparing Rodgers' start and progression to other (non-Tedford) QB's in the league.

Scott Campbell
06-29-2009, 09:54 AM
How bout Alex Smith having to unlearn Urban Meyer's spread option?

vince
06-29-2009, 11:00 AM
I'm not sure what you're getting at Scott.

Many "system" quarterbacks have failed. Relearning new mechanics, particularly with ball positioning, is a challenge that takes time to overcome. It changes the throwing motion and the ability to throw on the move, both of which affect accuracy. When combined with the other challenges new quarterbacks face at the same time, as well as expectations of immediate results and the ultimate level of competition against which it all needs to be overcome. Historically, it has made it too difficult for most of them.

rbaloha1
06-29-2009, 12:07 PM
I'm not sure what you're getting at Scott.

Many "system" quarterbacks have failed. Relearning new mechanics, particularly with ball positioning, is a challenge that takes time to overcome. When combined with the other challenges new quarterbacks face at the same time, as well as expectations of immediate results and the ultimate level of competition against which it all needs to be overcome. Historically, it has made it too difficult for most of them.

All college qb play in a system. The question is how it translates to the NFL.

Tedford's system is one read down field. If covered then check down. This system allowed qbs with impressive physical attributes (Dilfer, Smith and Boller) appear to be NFL qbs. However the requires qbs to go through progressions which Tedford qbs failed. Of course AR is the exception.

In college ran an NFL offense. Brohm's transition should have been smoother. IMO Brohm's problems is holding the ball too long and surprisingly poor mechanics.

Stafford reminds of Tedford bust qbs -- big, strong arm and the inability to go thru progressions. Recall at Georgia defenses had to honor Moreno's running first. Stafford locked into one big athletically gifted receiver and could never lead a Georgia team to victory in the last 2 minutes.

Scott Campbell
06-29-2009, 12:11 PM
I'm not sure what you're getting at Scott.

Many "system" quarterbacks have failed. Relearning new mechanics, particularly with ball positioning, is a challenge that takes time to overcome. It changes the throwing motion and the ability to throw on the move, both of which affect accuracy. When combined with the other challenges new quarterbacks face at the same time, as well as expectations of immediate results and the ultimate level of competition against which it all needs to be overcome. Historically, it has made it too difficult for most of them.


I guess I'm saying that I can't fault a system QB for doing what his coach asks him to do as long as he's successful.

vince
06-29-2009, 12:47 PM
All college qb play in a system. The question is how it translates to the NFL.

Tedford's system is one read down field. If covered then check down. This system allowed qbs with impressive physical attributes (Dilfer, Smith and Boller) appear to be NFL qbs. However the requires qbs to go through progressions which Tedford qbs failed. Of course AR is the exception.

In college ran an NFL offense. Brohm's transition should have been smoother. IMO Brohm's problems is holding the ball too long and surprisingly poor mechanics.

Stafford reminds of Tedford bust qbs -- big, strong arm and the inability to go thru progressions. Recall at Georgia defenses had to honor Moreno's running first. Stafford locked into one big athletically gifted receiver and could never lead a Georgia team to victory in the last 2 minutes.
I'm obviously not a QB coach, but I attribute Brohm's "holding on to the ball too long" to being a bit slower with his footwork and not being ready to release the ball quick enough to fit the rhythm of the short-passing game offense. Then he's behind a beat with his progressions from there and never gets "caught up." If that's right, it suggests he's fundamentally not well suited for the West Coast system.

Here's a video of Brohm highlights from college, and almost all of his most successful plays (exept one screen and one 5-10 yard crossing route, were slow-developing, downfield throws. The Packers obviously throw the ball downfield, but they use the short passing game to set up the homerun shots rather than the other way around, which Brohm seems more suited to. He steps up in the pocket a couple times for successful plays downfield and he ran up the middle once, and he had one semi-rollout, but he's basically a shotgun, 7-step drop, vertical passing guy IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxC2WrG8cuQ

That gets back to my point about comparisons to Rodgers. While it took time for him to adjust his game, he has the fundamental skills (footspeed and arm), intelligence and work ethic to adjust and improve more than others. Sure they all have "adjustments" to make, but Rodgers had at least as much as anyone, which explains his poor performance in his first year. Yet Rodgers' poor first year is used to compare with other QB's for a variety of reasons that sometimes make for poor comparisons IMO.

wist43
06-29-2009, 03:53 PM
Everyone seems to think Jeremey Thompson can play OLB... two, 270 lbs former DE OLB's??? Offensive Coord's will be matching those guys up in coverage all day. Add to that two pedestrian, non-playmaking ILB's???

I wanted the switcfh to the 3-4, and I expect it to be a mess for a while... but man, that LB'ing corp is some kind of ugly. Hopefully Capers can work some magic with the scheme.

Gunakor
06-29-2009, 03:58 PM
Everyone seems to think Jeremey Thompson can play OLB... two, 270 lbs former DE OLB's??? Offensive Coord's will be matching those guys up in coverage all day. Add to that two pedestrian, non-playmaking ILB's???

I wanted the switcfh to the 3-4, and I expect it to be a mess for a while... but man, that LB'ing corp is some kind of ugly. Hopefully Capers can work some magic with the scheme.

When Thompson was drafted, the complaint against him was that he was too light to play DE in the NFL. Now he's too heavy to play OLB in the NFL. Exactly what is this guy then, if not a DE OR an OLB?

wist43
06-29-2009, 05:54 PM
Everyone seems to think Jeremey Thompson can play OLB... two, 270 lbs former DE OLB's??? Offensive Coord's will be matching those guys up in coverage all day. Add to that two pedestrian, non-playmaking ILB's???

I wanted the switcfh to the 3-4, and I expect it to be a mess for a while... but man, that LB'ing corp is some kind of ugly. Hopefully Capers can work some magic with the scheme.

When Thompson was drafted, the complaint against him was that he was too light to play DE in the NFL. Now he's too heavy to play OLB in the NFL. Exactly what is this guy then, if not a DE OR an OLB?

I've always seen him as a 4-3 DE... in fact, I see a lot of Kampman in him. Thought he had upside as a 4-3 End.

Kampman doesn't fit a 3-4 either... as I've said, hence my contention we'll be seeing a lot more 4-3 than advertised.

Lurker64
06-29-2009, 06:05 PM
I've always seen him as a 4-3 DE... in fact, I see a lot of Kampman in him. Thought he had upside as a 4-3 End.

I'm wondering why you say this, since Jeremy Thompson's role at Wake Forest was essentially the same as Clay Matthews role at USC. They were guys who, with a hand up or down, rushed the passer and/or dropped into coverage.

Jeremy Thompson's role in college was a lot closer to 3-4 OLB than it was 4-3 DE. Physically he might look more like Aaron Kampman than Clay Matthews, but his football training is much more OLB than DE.

Joemailman
06-29-2009, 07:11 PM
http://www.packerupdate.com/

Glad to see these guys are reporting again. Some interesting comments on Chad Clifton, Brian Brohm, Brett Swain and Jamon Meredith.

Lurker64
06-29-2009, 07:26 PM
http://www.packerupdate.com/

Glad to see these guys are reporting again. Some interesting comments on Chad Clifton, Brian Brohm, Brett Swain and Jamon Meredith.

It's also interesting to learn that Colledge is their #2 priority in the offseason, not that it's a bad move on their part.

Joemailman
06-29-2009, 07:56 PM
I would have expected that. He's now their best offensive lineman, and may be their LT of the future if Meredith doesn't work out. I imagine TT will take more of a wait and see approach with the defensive guys.

pbmax
06-29-2009, 07:59 PM
NFL.com has his reputation from college as a better run stuffer than pass rusher. And some teams were thinking of him as a LB. They also list his combine weight as 264.

If he can play the run, then that may be the answer to why he is practicing with the ones. The coverage question is more pertinent on passing down and distance. If teams want to take advantage of that by passing on run friendly downs, then that may be a bet Capers is willing to make. If they miss once, then its a passing down and the offense becomes one dimensional.

pbmax
06-29-2009, 08:06 PM
Hasn't Clifton stated he wants to play 10 years, something he considers a good solid career? Would he be interested in yearly knee surgeries past that point?