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vince
07-05-2009, 10:20 AM
So far this offseason, the backup QBs are not exactly getting ringing endorsements from the OC or the QB Coach. While the article below speaks to Brohm's problems being related to his slow release as opposed to his slow feet which I've theorized about, it would appear at this point based on the comments below that if Rodgers goes down, so go the hopes of a successful season.
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20090704/PKR01/307040086/1058

Packers backup QBs show slight improvement

By Rob Demovsky • rdemovsk@greenbaypressgazette.com • July 4, 2009

Joe Philbin thought about it for a moment, perhaps remembering the adage that if you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all.

When he finally was ready to answer the question about the progress of the Green Bay Packers’ pair of second-year backup quarterbacks, the offensive coordinator offered this:

“Well, certainly they’re better than they’ve been,” Philbin said a day before the team wrapped up its final offseason workout.

So it goes for Matt Flynn and Brian Brohm, the same duo who waged a training camp battle last summer that was more about who wasn’t as bad as the other.

Flynn, the unheralded seventh-round draft pick from LSU, won the right to backup starter Aaron Rodgers last season.

Brohm, the supposedly ready-made NFL quarterback who some felt would go higher than the second round (No. 56 overall), struggled mightily from the get-go and never really threatened to win the job.

Brohm seemingly did little to enhance his chances of winning the backup job during the offseason workouts this year, but it appears he and Flynn will get equal reps — at least at the start of training camp — until one of them emerges.

“When we made the decision (to make Flynn No. 2) last year, we said nothing was set in stone even (during) last season,” quarterbacks coach Tom Clements said. “As of this point, Matt hasn’t done anything for that to change. They’re both going to get probably equal amount of reps. The preseason games, we haven’t talked about, but I’m sure it will be roughly equal, and we’ll make a decision.”

For Flynn, this offseason was about getting the kind of detailed instruction that he never received at LSU, where he started only one season and where coaching the finer points of quarterbacking amounted to “just drop back and throw,” he said.

So, when Packers coach Mike McCarthy’s quarterback school began in March, Flynn went to work on some of the more technical aspects of the position.

“I never really got the individual work on dropbacks and stuff like that, so it’s been very beneficial to me,” Flynn said. “There’s a lot of technical stuff at this level.”

Flynn said he worked mostly on his footwork and “dropping back faster and staying on balance more.” He said the coaches didn’t change his throwing motion at all.

For Brohm, the work was more complex. He, too, had some technical work to do. The coaches made subtle changes to his delivery designed to speed up his throwing motion.

But his offseason was as much about repairing his psyche as anything else.

When his struggles became apparent in training camp — poor throws, bad decisions, holding the ball too long, to name a few — he quickly lost confidence. His first throw in an NFL game, the preseason opener against Cincinnati, was intercepted, and things never seemed to get any better.

Brohm finished the preseason with a 45.2 passer rating after completing just 19 of 42 throws for 155 yards with no touchdowns and one interception. Flynn’s rating was 100.2, on 27-of-42 passing for 209 yards with three touchdowns and no interceptions.

“In high school, I started for three years; in college I started three years, so really I was kind of ‘The Man’ all the way throughout,” Brohm said. “It was kind of a humbling experience in come in and see how well Aaron plays and then struggle a little bit in camp. It definitely humbled me and made me want to strive to keep working and push myself even more.”

He added: “I think anytime you’re at a new level and you struggle a little bit at the beginning — obviously, you want to get off to a good start, and that’s really the biggest confidence booster if somebody gets up there and completes that first pass or you go out there and do something good right away.

“Myself, I went out there and did something negative, throwing an interception, and it kind of steamrolled and was thinking a little bit more before each throw.”

Clements sounded surprised when told Brohm admitted the interception against the Bengals rattled him, because the coach said two other players made mistakes on the play that led to the interception. Still, Clements knows how damaging a lack of confidence can be to a quarterback.

“If you’re not confident, you’re going to have a hard time being successful,” Clements said.

Brohm admitted at the end of training camp last season the game never slowed down for him, and he spent far too much time thinking instead of reacting. Because McCarthy’s quarterback school is in March — and before the draft — neither he nor Flynn got that opportunity last season.

With a full offseason this time around, Brohm believes he has made strides, even if they weren’t readily apparent during the offseason practices that were open to reporters. Brohm still looked uncertain at times and again threw his share of bad balls.

“I feel a lot more comfortable, especially with the offense,” Brohm said. “I’m thinking less out there but thinking faster, and that’s really what you want. Obviously, I can still play a lot faster. That’s the goal, to be able to make those decisions, make ’em quick, get the ball out of your hand and let the receivers do what they do.”

bobblehead
07-05-2009, 11:33 AM
I think if any team loses its starting QB they are in trouble...except the teams that have a shitty starter who are in trouble before they lose him.

falco
07-05-2009, 12:09 PM
I think if any team loses its starting QB they are in trouble...except the teams that have a shitty starter who are in trouble before they lose him.

Probably the only teams that could stand it are those with strong run game/defense (think Minny), or those in the process of transitioning to a new QB (think if Favre rode the pine at GB last year).

Todd Bouman did ok when Campbell went down two (?) years ago.

vince
07-05-2009, 01:04 PM
I think if any team loses its starting QB they are in trouble...except the teams that have a shitty starter who are in trouble before they lose him.
That is the case for many teams, but not for all by any stretch. It's an avoidable situation, although I'm not suggesting that Thompson doesn't understand his options or the risks involved. Serviceable veterans like Brian Griese, Jeff Garcia,, Byron Leftwich, Chris Simms, Derek Anderson, etc. are regularly available. (I'll keep Rex, Joey and Sage off the list...;-))

I also recognize the potential cost of giving up on either of these guys too early, and I have faith in McCarthy and his assistants' ability to develop quarterbacks. Part of the reason I'm OK with keeping both of them is because you can't really afford to get rid of either of them - which one do you dump? The second round pick who may or may not develop, or the 7th rounder with the intangibles and weak arm?

It's appropriate to start asking a few questions and begin observing them with a bit more of a critical eye. They've been in the system for a year. They've been playing quarterback their whole lives. I don't expect them to be fully developed yet, but now is the time to see big improvement. "Slight improvement" for Brohm especially over last year is WAY less than I'd expect to see from him. You would have to work hard at being any worse than he was last year. And if Flynn is neck and neck with that, that doesn't bode well...

I didn't see them play in OTAs/minicamp so I am merely going by the few comments from the articl above, but one or both of them should be developing at least into "serviceability" this year, and the indications are that remains in question. It would take "major strides" for Brohm to be described as serviceable coming off his rookie year.

How much better are they likely to get? We'll see the extent to which the development is happening in training camp and preseason.

retailguy
07-05-2009, 02:51 PM
(I'll keep Rex, Joey and Sage off the list...;-))



Funny that you picked those three, since none of them are currently available.

I think Thompson understands the risks, but also realizes that most available backups aren't going to save the season anyhow. If one that could do that came available, I think Thompson would at least make an offer. Someone else would probably beat the offer but he'd try.

Brando19
07-05-2009, 02:54 PM
(I'll keep Rex, Joey and Sage off the list...;-))



Funny that you picked those three, since none of them are currently available.

I think Thompson understands the risks, but also realizes that most available backups aren't going to save the season anyhow. If one that could do that came available, I think Thompson would at least make an offer. Someone else would probably beat the offer but he'd try.

Jeff Garcia and Derek Anderson aren't available as well...but I think he was just trying to make a point.

vince
07-05-2009, 03:02 PM
Many of the guys I listed are not currently available. I said guys like them are regularly available.

If your starting QB goes down, there's a big difference between a serviceable game manager who will give you a puncher's chance at winning the winnable games until the starter returns, and someone who is easily overwhelmed with what any defense can routinely throw at him who will ultimately give winnable games away.

There's no evidence that I've seen that our guys are at the serviceable level yet, although Flynn irregularly moved the ball last preseason - and then looked totally lost in the few snaps he took in the regular season. I hope we can at least hear about some positives from training camp about them and see some ability move the team with a fair amount of consistency this preseason.

woodbuck27
07-05-2009, 04:11 PM
I don't even want to think about what will happen to our team if we lose Aaron.

PACKERS!

Fritz
07-05-2009, 06:10 PM
Many of the guys I listed are not currently available. I said guys like them are regularly available.

If your starting QB goes down, there's a big difference between a serviceable game manager who will give you a puncher's chance at winning the winnable games until the starter returns, and someone who is easily overwhelmed with what any defense can routinely throw at him who will ultimately give winnable games away.

There's no evidence that I've seen that our guys are at the serviceable level yet, although Flynn irregularly moved the ball last preseason - and then looked totally lost in the few snaps he took in the regular season. I hope we can at least hear about some positives from training camp about them and see some ability move the team with a fair amount of consistency this preseason.

I dunno...I remember a game a few years ago where Favre went out in the third quarter, I think...and Doug Pederson was the backup....and he did zero. Nothing. Couldn't hit a pass, short or long. So the opponents stacked the line and the Packers went three-and-out about two or three times in a row. It was pathetic.

And it was just one game...but it got me wondering if those Doug Pederson/guy-from-BC-whose-name-I-forget backups were just as big of schmucks as Flynn and Brohm.

As for this quote from Clements on Brohm's confidence: “If you’re not confident, you’re going to have a hard time being successful" would a dose of Cialis do the trick, maybe?

MJZiggy
07-05-2009, 06:18 PM
Nah, Fritz, you don't want to give the defense anything extra to grab onto...

oregonpackfan
07-05-2009, 07:02 PM
Nah, Fritz, you don't want to give the defense anything extra to grab onto...


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Ooooh, that was nasty, MJZiggy! :)

vince
07-05-2009, 07:10 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/05/brohm-still-third-on-depth-chart/

rbaloha1
07-05-2009, 07:33 PM
I think if any team loses its starting QB they are in trouble...except the teams that have a shitty starter who are in trouble before they lose him.

Depends. If a team is defense centric losing a starting qb is almost meaningless.

rbaloha1
07-05-2009, 07:40 PM
Still somewhat concerned about the backup qb situation. Shall wait for preseason to access if we need a veteran qb.

Maintain TT was fortunate AROD remained healthy last season as it was a HUGE gamble.

Fritz
07-05-2009, 09:41 PM
I think if any team loses its starting QB they are in trouble...except the teams that have a shitty starter who are in trouble before they lose him.

Depends. If a team is defense centric losing a starting qb is almost meaningless.

Depends?? Listen, if Cialis won't boost his confidence, I don't think Depends will work either. :rs: