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[MJZiggy]

I wanted to wait to get a laptop until Vista went away, but it doesn't look like I'll be able to wait that long. I need one with graphic capabilities that can handle Creative Suite and Fios. I also don't want an Apple (nor do I want the debate about it).

Anyone have favorite brands/features you really like?

[MJZiggy]

Oh, and if anyone knows how to configure it so I can use it as a dual screen with my desktop monitor, I'd love to know how.

[Brando19]

I have an HP. It's a good laptop....kind of expensive...but it's good.

[Partial]

It depends what you're looking for. Hardware quality comes with price, which is why Apple and Sony are leaps and bounds ahead of the competition. Acer makes a good cheap product as does Dell.

Anything that is out today will be able to run Adobe CS very fast. It's all 2d graphics and even crappy intel integrated graphics will fare just fine.

If I were you, I would look long and hard at the 13" MacBook Pro with the educator discount and either sell the free iPod touch that comes with it, or keep it. You can even run windows on it natively or through virtualization. Best computer on the market today in terms of build quality because it is A) one of the few metal machines and B) the only CNC machined computer.

[GrnBay007]

Zig, I don't know shitsky about computers....you know that. :D

But just want to say :tup:
You've come a long way ...you know what I mean. :D

[Brando19]

It depends what you're looking for. Hardware quality comes with price, which is why Apple and Sony are leaps and bounds ahead of the competition. Acer makes a good cheap product as does Dell.

Anything that is out today will be able to run Adobe CS very fast. It's all 2d graphics and even crappy intel integrated graphics will fare just fine.

If I were you, I would look long and hard at the 13" MacBook Pro with the educator discount and either sell the free iPod touch that comes with it, or keep it. You can even run windows on it natively or through virtualization. Best computer on the market today in terms of build quality because it is A) one of the few metal machines and B) the only CNC machined computer.

My dad has an Acer. Partial's right...it's a good cheap computer. He bought it at walmart for like $400 and it has worked just fine for over a year.

[MJZiggy]

At work, our graphics principal uses a Mac and has horrible compatibility issues and while this isn't going to be a work computer, there are times when I will work on files at home and e-mail them to myself at work and it has to work the first time, every time because I live an hour away from work.

It MUST be Windows.

[Jimx29]

I wanted to wait to get a laptop until Vista went away, but it doesn't look like I'll be able to wait that long. I need one with graphic capabilities that can handle Creative Suite and Fios. I also don't want an Apple (nor do I want the debate about it).

Anyone have favorite brands/features you really like?If you buy a computer right now with vista home premium or better installed, you'll get a free upgrade to Windows 7 when it's released in October. I've been running windows 7 RC for a couple months and it's wonderful. It's what vista should of been when it came out.

http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/hot-deals/934258?highlight_key=y

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/buy/offers/upgrade.aspx
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/buy/featured-pcs.aspx
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/buy/offers/pre-order.aspx

Here's pretty good setup at Dell. Vista home premium 64 bit, 4g ram, etc..... http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=483488&t=1429209&highlight=laptop

I'm bouncing between that rig and a gateway that's pretty comparable at BB for almost the same price shipped:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9370441&type=product&id=1218093004316

[retailguy]

At work, our graphics principal uses a Mac and has horrible compatibility issues and while this isn't going to be a work computer, there are times when I will work on files at home and e-mail them to myself at work and it has to work the first time, every time because I live an hour away from work.

It MUST be Windows.

I won't use anything but a thinkpad. I haven't used a new Lenovo one yet, but I've used the "T" series for years. They do anything I've ever needed to do, I've dropped them on several occasions, and nary a scratch. Well worth it, if you ask me.

My wife has a Vaio. It is a piece of crap. We'll never buy another sony.

As far as dual screens, right click on the desktop, select properties, then select setting. You should have connected the other monitor, prior to this obviously. Select the second monitor, then check the box that says "extend my windows desktop onto this monitor". You can click on the advanced button to make other changes.

PM me if you need further help, happy to walk you though it.

[GBRulz]

I bought a new MBPro laptop a couple of months ago. I was worried about some compatibility issues with some programs and files, too. Not a problem though since you can install windows on them now.

I will never go back to a PC again.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I wanted to wait to get a laptop until Vista went away, but it doesn't look like I'll be able to wait that long. I need one with graphic capabilities that can handle Creative Suite and Fios. I also don't want an Apple (nor do I want the debate about it).

Anyone have favorite brands/features you really like?

Do you have to buy now? Even though Ty is sure there are some good deals, traditionally the best prices come in sept thru early november...dead sales time.

What size screen/weight you looking at?

Ty would recommend Alienware. Sony makes a good one..depends on the model series, Lenovo has good stuff as well.

There are also brands you dont' see around much that make good products...Asus, Fujitsu, Panasonic, etc.

[Partial]

I bought a new MBPro laptop a couple of months ago. I was worried about some compatibility issues with some programs and files, too. Not a problem though since you can install windows on them now.

I will never go back to a PC again.

2nded. Even using Windows 7 is a painful experience once you're used to a Mac. It's the little things that are wonderful like expose and spotlight.

Zig, anything you can run on a Windows, especially with CS, you can run on a Mac. The one thing that people typically have problems with is Office, but I will personally mail you a copy of Microsoft Office for Mac.

Take the plunge... you'll thank me. I'm sure GBR can attest that the unibody MacBook Pros are basically the nicest, most well-built sturdiest computers ever. With the student discount plus the free iPod during the summer they're also one of the best deals out there.

With any Mac, all you have to do is plug in the monitor and it will automatically discover, configure, and set the proper resolution and enable desktop spanning for you. It's pretty wonderful.

My office is transitioning to a Mac shop from a Thinkpad shop. At first there were some gripes, now everyone seems thrilled after a month or two.

[MJZiggy]

I understand what you guys are saying, I used a mac in class and am familiar with them--the issue is that there are already compatibility issues with the graphic person and the network at my work. Sometimes we have to e-mail back and forth to get a file that will open. If I'm e-mailing homework or a work file to myself, it can NEVER have a compatibility issue with PC Windows Office and that's just not the case on our network right now. I simply can't e-mail back and forth with myself on a class day. Therefore, while I'm in school and until I have these new departments running smoothly at work, it MUST be a PC notebook so that work I do at home can absolutely reliably make it to the office.

[Partial]

I understand what you guys are saying, I used a mac in class and am familiar with them--the issue is that there are already compatibility issues with the graphic person and the network at my work. Sometimes we have to e-mail back and forth to get a file that will open. If I'm e-mailing homework or a work file to myself, it can NEVER have a compatibility issue with PC Windows Office and that's just not the case on our network right now. I simply can't e-mail back and forth with myself on a class day. Therefore, while I'm in school and until I have these new departments running smoothly at work, it MUST be a PC notebook so that work I do at home can absolutely reliably make it to the office.

You can run windows on a Mac.

Here is a little piece on bootcamp, which lets you run restart and boot to windows, and it will run as fast if not faster than equivalent hardware for a typical PC.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/what-is-macosx/compatibility.html


Here's a virtualization option which we use at work. It's okay, but not as good as I would like. I hear the version 4.0 is a huge improvement over 3.0 that we use, though.

http://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/

[SkinBasket]

I buy exclusively from the Dell outlet now.

http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/topics/global.aspx/arb/online/en/InventorySearch?c=us&cs=22&l=en&s=dfh

Refirbs, scratch and dent, and new units from canceled orders - all with normal warranties. Keep your eyes open on the interweb for 20% off codes that pop up every now and again, and you can get a real nice setup real cheap. My scratch and dent had a pen mark on it. Saved 50% off retail because of a pen mark.

Sony Vaio do suck ass.

[Partial]

I agree on the Dell Outlet but unless you're spending Mac-like dollars you're getting a cheap plastic POS. If you're going to spend the big bucks on a latitude why not get a metal machine with luxury features?

Sony Vaio's are much better computers than any dell inspiron. The build quality is infinitely better, thus the price tag. I'm sure there are some cheap Sony's but for the most part they're built almost as well as Apple imo.

[retailguy]

Well Partial, we bought a top of the line small footprint Vaio for my wife during law school. Bought it a year before she went to law school. The case broke (cracked), the wireless card died, the processor fan failed, the memory stick crapped out, the 12.1 in screen has multiple bad pixels, the touchpad failed and the keyboard warped from the heat of the fan failing.

If I couldn't replace these things with used ebay parts, we'd have spent a damn fortune repairing the stupid thing. Oh yeah, nothing failed during the warranty except for the wireless card.

Piece of crap. No doubt about it. Never again.

[retailguy]

meanwhile, my T42, bought used off a 6mo. lease (one of the 1st centrino processors), has got a new hard drive. That's it. My IBM is clearly a better machine in all aspects. It isn't even close. The VAIO has a catchy purplish cover and a cool logo. But, there isn't anything else to back the bling up with.

[Partial]

meanwhile, my T42, bought used off a 6mo. lease (one of the 1st centrino processors), has got a new hard drive. That's it. My IBM is clearly a better machine in all aspects. It isn't even close. The VAIO has a catchy purplish cover and a cool logo. But, there isn't anything else to back the bling up with.

There are lemons in every manufacturing process. Sounds like you happened to get one. All of those things outside of the case cracking and the pixels seem to be the result of the fan failing and the scorching hot processor wreaking havoc.

Don't know how common it is, but they use nicer quality hardware (nicer keyboards, trackpads, displays, thinner, etc) like Apple and IBM used to. My work T61P laptop is also a tank but it weighs a million pounds and is gigantic!

[MJZiggy]

meanwhile, my T42, bought used off a 6mo. lease (one of the 1st centrino processors), has got a new hard drive. That's it. My IBM is clearly a better machine in all aspects. It isn't even close. The VAIO has a catchy purplish cover and a cool logo. But, there isn't anything else to back the bling up with.

But the Thinkpad isn't made by IBM anymore. I don't even know what I'm looking for in graphics cards.

Skin, are the new ones backward compatible with CS2?

[Partial]

meanwhile, my T42, bought used off a 6mo. lease (one of the 1st centrino processors), has got a new hard drive. That's it. My IBM is clearly a better machine in all aspects. It isn't even close. The VAIO has a catchy purplish cover and a cool logo. But, there isn't anything else to back the bling up with.

But the Thinkpad isn't made by IBM anymore. I don't even know what I'm looking for in graphics cards.

Skin, are the new ones backward compatible with CS2?

The new what? Any graphics will be sufficient. You're not doing 3D rendering so I'm sure integrated graphics will be more than adequate.

[MJZiggy]

The Dells he recommended. I'm wondering if they're backward compatible.

[Partial]

The Dells he recommended. I'm wondering if they're backward compatible.

Backwards compatible with what? CS2? Sure, they definitely are. Any computer is. I would really look into the Mac, though. I would not lead a person astray.

[SkinBasket]

Well, retail and I both have 1st hand experience with Sony products and both agree that Vaio suck ass. That's about as concrete an anti-endorsement as you're going to get.

These days, I go disposable over fancy on any computer, cuz they all be the same - just metal and plastic. And what Pizzy said about backward compatibility - no worry.

[retailguy]

CS4 requirements are here:

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/photoshop/systemreqs/?promoid=DRHXB

here's the graphics requirement:

1,024x768 display (1,280x800 recommended) with 16-bit video card


pretty basic requirements, if you stay away from the really low end laptops, you'll be ok, I'd think. The low end ones would probably still run it, but you wouldn't be too thrilled with the performance, most likely.

P, she said she didn't want a mac. Give it up. There are plenty of PC's that are really nice, let's just help her get one, ok?

[Scott Campbell]

I'm thinking about this one for my wife.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152116

[SkinBasket]

Ziggy, don't forget that you have until the 11th of July to preorder the Windows 7 upgrade for $50 (for Premium) or $100 (Professional). Just make sure that whatever you order has Windows Premium or Professional (not Ultimate) and that you preorder the matching upgrade. Price goes up to $120/$200 after the 11th.

Premium: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002DHLUWK

Professional: http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-7-Professional-Upgrade/dp/B002DHGM50

[Patler]

I have this one, and I am very pleased with it:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Boulier1.JPG/180px-Boulier1.JPG

[Partial]

Ziggy gets an education discount so it will be 5 dollars at most to upgrade to Windows 7. I personally still think Windows 7 is garbage and is a painful experience to work in, though. It almost has an Apple dock, though, so it keeps a lot of your stuff out of the way, which is a step in the right direction towards being bearable.

[Patler]

Ziggy, don't forget that you have until the 11th of July to preorder the Windows 7 upgrade for $50 (for Premium) or $100 (Professional). Just make sure that whatever you order has Windows Premium or Professional (not Ultimate) and that you preorder the matching upgrade. Price goes up to $120/$200 after the 11th.

Premium: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002DHLUWK

Professional: http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-7-Professional-Upgrade/dp/B002DHGM50

What are the general differences between the different versions of Windows 7?

[falco]

What is better about Windows 7 over XP? I have been using XP since it came out and it works just fine for me.

That being said, I think my next purchase will be a Dell laptop with Ubuntu.

[falco]

Also, my wife has Macbook and it sucks. I don't know how anyone could use one.

[SkinBasket]

Ziggy, don't forget that you have until the 11th of July to preorder the Windows 7 upgrade for $50 (for Premium) or $100 (Professional). Just make sure that whatever you order has Windows Premium or Professional (not Ultimate) and that you preorder the matching upgrade. Price goes up to $120/$200 after the 11th.

Premium: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002DHLUWK

Professional: http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-7-Professional-Upgrade/dp/B002DHGM50

What are the general differences between the different versions of Windows 7?

I don't know. I just get what's on the computer and use it. I haven't found any problems using Vista Ultimate for all the doomsday talk about the OS. It never crashes and it puts icons of my programs on the desktop. I click them and the program starts. That's all I need. The weather and XM sidebar widgets are nice though.

[hoosier]

Vista Enterprise seems to have resolved all of the problems that earlier versions of vista had, and IMO is far more efficient than XP. Once you get used to the silly little changes Micosoft has made with Vista, it's a delight to use.

[Partial]

Ha! Delight? If you guys think using Vista/7 is a pleasure, you should try a Mac. Wow!

[retailguy]

I'm thinking about this one for my wife.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152116

I bought a hard drive from New Egg about 3 months ago. I don't use that debit card very much, and hadn't used it in about 3 months. Within a week, I had $500 in unauthorized charges.

I made the purchase while at work, behind the office firewall, and on my work machine which gets virus/spyware/malware scanned daily. I have yet to find any kind of intruder on that machine.

I don't buy from New Egg anymore.

[Patler]

Microsoft's comparisons of the different versions of Windows 7:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/compare-editions

[Partial]

I'm thinking about this one for my wife.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152116

I bought a hard drive from New Egg about 3 months ago. I don't use that debit card very much, and hadn't used it in about 3 months. Within a week, I had $500 in unauthorized charges.

I made the purchase while at work, behind the office firewall, and on my work machine which gets virus/spyware/malware scanned daily. I have yet to find any kind of intruder on that machine.

I don't buy from New Egg anymore.

I've bought over 100 products from NewEgg and never had a single problem. That is very bizzare. They're by far the de facto online computer store. I <3 them!

[retailguy]

I'm thinking about this one for my wife.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152116

I bought a hard drive from New Egg about 3 months ago. I don't use that debit card very much, and hadn't used it in about 3 months. Within a week, I had $500 in unauthorized charges.

I made the purchase while at work, behind the office firewall, and on my work machine which gets virus/spyware/malware scanned daily. I have yet to find any kind of intruder on that machine.

I don't buy from New Egg anymore.

I've bought over 100 products from NewEgg and never had a single problem. That is very bizzare. They're by far the de facto online computer store. I <3 them!

It is very surprising. I don't quite know what to make of it.

I've had a debit card cloned twice. The other time was 5 years ago. Thinking back, I was purchasing a lot of network hardware at the time (I think) and I bought all that from New Egg too.

I don't know. Seems bizarre, but I've been through the bank statement 5 times with the bank on the phone. My wife and I both have debit cards, she uses hers all the time, but the fraud came from my card, and the previous transaction was over 90 days prior, and hadn't been used since.

I had our IT folks come up and manually scan the PC, nothing was found. I checked the scan logs, and nothing had been deleted by the machine either.

I can't explain it.

[MJZiggy]

I think I'm more confused than when I started...but thanks everyone for the suggestions whether offered here or privately. I'm leaning toward the Dell outlet...I just have to figure out which what I should get and how much (if any) I'm saving on it.

[Partial]

Screw the dell outlet. It's a good deal when there are coupons. Look at the homepage of Slickdeals.net and when you see something in your price range pounce on it.

http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?t=1438351 is a good deal

[MJZiggy]

Slickdeals only helps me if I know what I'm looking for. I don't know what I'm looking for, I just know I don't have it now.

[Partial]

Slickdeals only helps me if I know what I'm looking for. I don't know what I'm looking for, I just know I don't have it now.

That's fair. Go with something 400-600 dollars. Trust me it will be plenty of computer for even the most demanding users who aren't doing intense 3d rendering (which is NOT adobe CS -- adobe CS is very CPU and memory intensive, not 3d graphics intensive at all). I would recommend soemthing with a smaller screen so it's portable. 15" is pretty big and 17" is gigantic.

Anything that isn't a "netbook" and on the homepage will be plenty of computer and a very good deal. You really cannot go wrong with that advice at all.

[Scott Campbell]

I think I'm more confused than when I started...


I'm not surprised. The suggestions are all over the board. I like Skin's advice the best - treat it as a disposable purchase. Don't over buy on specs.

[Scott Campbell]

I'm thinking about this one for my wife.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152116

I bought a hard drive from New Egg about 3 months ago. I don't use that debit card very much, and hadn't used it in about 3 months. Within a week, I had $500 in unauthorized charges.

I made the purchase while at work, behind the office firewall, and on my work machine which gets virus/spyware/malware scanned daily. I have yet to find any kind of intruder on that machine.

I don't buy from New Egg anymore.


Man that is weird. I'm like Partial, and have probably bought over 100 times without a hitch. I use credit cards instead of debit specifically for the fraud protection.

[Scott Campbell]

Ziggy, don't forget that you have until the 11th of July to preorder the Windows 7 upgrade for $50 (for Premium) or $100 (Professional). Just make sure that whatever you order has Windows Premium or Professional (not Ultimate) and that you preorder the matching upgrade. Price goes up to $120/$200 after the 11th.

Premium: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002DHLUWK

Professional: http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-7-Professional-Upgrade/dp/B002DHGM50

What are the general differences between the different versions of Windows 7?


I'm getting Pro just for the remote desktop. That way I can do wife and kid support stuff when I'm on the road.

[SkinBasket]

I think I'm more confused than when I started...


I'm not surprised. The suggestions are all over the board. I like Skin's advice the best - treat it as a disposable purchase. Don't over buy on specs.

That's the thing. I don't give a donkey fuck about what's inside the computer anymore. When they started coming up with all their clever nicknames for the motherfucking processors and made it impossible to compare across brand much less across nicknames, I said fuck it. I'll just spend what I consider fair for 3 years or so of usage and make the numbers as big as I can without worrying about all the minute details that won't end up meaning shit to me anyway. So applying a filter in Photoshop's going to take 4.6 seconds or 3.4 seconds. What the fuck do I care when I'm farting in the fan on a daily basis?

[Rastak]

I think I'm more confused than when I started...


I'm not surprised. The suggestions are all over the board. I like Skin's advice the best - treat it as a disposable purchase. Don't over buy on specs.

That's the thing. I don't give a donkey fuck about what's inside the computer anymore. When they started coming up with all their clever nicknames for the motherfucking processors and made it impossible to compare across brand much less across nicknames, I said fuck it. I'll just spend what I consider fair for 3 years or so of usage and make the numbers as big as I can without worrying about all the minute details that won't end up meaning shit to me anyway. So applying a filter in Photoshop's going to take 4.6 seconds or 3.4 seconds. What the fuck do I care when I'm farting in the fan on a daily basis?



That's because you don't compare the things on names. Frequency, front side bus, cache, cores. They all compare perfectly fine.



What were you comparing, sparc to PA Risk to itanium to intel based processors? THEN it get's confusing....but intel based stuff compares just fine.

[MJZiggy]

Fine, so tell me what I should buy before this damn thing dies.

[Freak Out]

I wanted to wait to get a laptop until Vista went away, but it doesn't look like I'll be able to wait that long. I need one with graphic capabilities that can handle Creative Suite and Fios. I also don't want an Apple (nor do I want the debate about it).

Anyone have favorite brands/features you really like?

Did you mention anywhere in the thread how "mobile" you need it to be? You want small and light or is it going to be sitting on the desk most of the time?

Make sure you get the 64 bit version of Vista to go with whatever laptop you do buy and load it with as much ram as possible after you buy it unless the manufacturer is giving it away at the time. Get dedicated graphics for Pete's sake.

I will say I'm intrigued by the 14 inch Macbook pro at the price they are now offering it at but you can still do pretty good for less $$$ if you go with a Vista based system.

[MJZiggy]

I'm not going to need to travel with the thing. It needs to be able to get to the coffee shop and such, but I won't be traveling with it or taking it to work. We use Dells at work and the IT person told me not to get one for home use as I would like to get more than 3 years out of it and they seem to have something that decides to break after 3 years every time.

[pasquale]

I'm not going to need to travel with the thing. It needs to be able to get to the coffee shop and such, but I won't be traveling with it or taking it to work. We use Dells at work and the IT person told me not to get one for home use as I would like to get more than 3 years out of it and they seem to have something that decides to break after 3 years every time.

I think if you want to get 3+ years out of it, you'll need some quality hardware. You _might_ get that out of a dell xps laptop, I've heard a few success stores on that and I've had one myself for 1.5 years. I also got a great deal on it.

As for sure bets, I would go with a lenovo or apple. My dad's business uses idea/thinkpads and they last a long time (3-4 years easily). They only reason they've been getting new ones is because a good deal comes along.

Apple and Lenovo are sure best to last a damn long time. Dell is kinda hit or miss, but xps lapops are usually better quality.

[retailguy]

I'm not going to need to travel with the thing. It needs to be able to get to the coffee shop and such, but I won't be traveling with it or taking it to work. We use Dells at work and the IT person told me not to get one for home use as I would like to get more than 3 years out of it and they seem to have something that decides to break after 3 years every time.

You've got to tell us what you can afford to spend. I can tell you all day long to buy a Thinkpad T series, but if it's out of your budget, what's the point?

[MJZiggy]

Sorry. 5-700 max.

[Freak Out]

Sorry. 5-700 max.

Is there a Costco near you? They have a sick coupon deal coming up in a few days.

[SkinBasket]

Dell outlet has a code on refirb studio 17" notebooks for the next two days, here's the post with the code and an example:


20% off Refurbished Dell Studio 17 Laptops Dell Outlet
Dell Outlet has new Coupons - 20% off Refurbished Dell Studio 17 - 1737 Laptops $599+ - use Coupon Code 19NQJBP9?W4C3S at check-out (ends 7/13 or after 1500 uses)

Studio 17 - 1737
Intel Core 2 Duo T6400 (2.00GHz/800Mhz FSB/2MB cache)
Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium
4 GB DDR2 SDRAM 800MHz (2 DIMMs)
320 GB SATA Hard Drive (5400 RPM)
Mobile Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD
8X Slot Load CD / DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-R Drive)
Certified Refurbished
Integrated 2.0 Mega Pixel Web Camera
64BIT Operating System DVD
Microsoft Works 9.0
9 Cell Primary Battery
90W AC Adapter
Ruby Red
17 inch Wide Screen WXGA+ Laptop Screen with TrueLife
Dell Wireless 1510 802.11a/g/n Draft Mini Card

Studio 17 - 1737 Qty 1
Studio 17 (1737) Laptop: Intel Core 2 Duo T6400 (2.00GHz/800Mhz FSB/2MB cache) Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium Unit Price $619.00

Get 20% off any refurbished Studio 17 - 1737 price at $599 or above!
Limited time offer!
- $123.80
Additional Discounts and Coupons
Windows 7 Upgrade Program Details for Eligible System Purchases - $0.00
Expires Thursday, December 31, 2009


Free 3-5 Day Ground shipping on select refurbished systems!
Expires Friday, July 31, 2009

Total Price
Sub-total $495.20

[pbmax]

I know you have received too much info in this thread, but Skin's rec makes sense. Its in you price range and the hardware is not bad.

I manage 4 Dell laptops at work and two of them are Inspiron 1150's. I have had to replace AC adapters, a power connector and a couple of other items. They have been in use since 2004/05, cost just under a $800 I believe and between the 2 of them had $800 in service. Both are at the end of their useful life and will not be repaired again, but each at $1200 total cost/5 years of service, they were worth the investment. And they were used by sales folks who toted them everywhere.

I have also, personally used two Sony VAIO laptops and have never needed a repair. Both were heavier than I would prefer, but each has lasted 4+ years and the one is no longer in use only because of performance. I did have an issue with the CD tray not opening on its own without encouragement, but that was a result of a wee person dropping the notebook while the CD tray was open.

With the brands mentioned, it would be hard to go wrong, but for Skin's Dells, I would recommend the following:

Get a better video card. If you are using CS3 or perhaps CS4, you need decent and fast video. On board video accelerators use your system memory (the 4GB mentioned in the specs) and processor and their performance is poor. If you were using Word or Powerpoint, you would never know it. Photoshop will know it. For $100 or less, you can wait less. The Dell Outlet will have refurbs with very similar hardware and better video cards. Or you can likely pick the item Skin has listed and request the upgrade in the checkout process.

Have Dell partition the hard drive for you. The OS will come preloaded on a single drive otherwise. While I no longer work with Adobe products daily, Photoshop uses large temp files while running and in the incarnations I used, it ran much better when those temp files were on a drive other than the one the OS was on. Off the top of my head, I don't know what Windows or Dell recommends for Vista partitions, but my guess is that a C: drive of 40 GB and a D: drive of 280 GB will work. Install CS 3 on either drive and set the scratch disk for Photoshop and Illustrator (the place where the temp files are written) for the D: drive. This will also make it easier to reload OS software in case of emergency.

Good luck.

[Waldo]

It depends what you're looking for. Hardware quality comes with price, which is why Apple and Sony are leaps and bounds ahead of the competition. Acer makes a good cheap product as does Dell.

Anything that is out today will be able to run Adobe CS very fast. It's all 2d graphics and even crappy intel integrated graphics will fare just fine.

If I were you, I would look long and hard at the 13" MacBook Pro with the educator discount and either sell the free iPod touch that comes with it, or keep it. You can even run windows on it natively or through virtualization. Best computer on the market today in terms of build quality because it is A) one of the few metal machines and B) the only CNC machined computer.

Untrue.

My desktop (self built hotrod about a year old, optimized for photoshop and photos) with 4 GB Ram and a quad core processor, plus 2x AGP GFX cards (I forget the name of the link for them), gets hung up at times in PS after working too many too big of files, it can take a long time to run some of the filters, a big pano stitch can take hours, an HDR rendering can take 10+ minutes.

PS can eat every processor cycle you can offer.

It has very minimal requirements, but can run extremely slow unless on a blazing fast machine.

It's one of those things, PS has a very nice workflow when operating at peak efficiency, bog it down and slow it, and it starts to seem like surfing while on dialup, and is downright annoying, especially if you are used to it being faster.

[Partial]

I'm posting this from a new MacBook Pro. It was a treat to myself for landing a really kick ass job.

Since I have my own side business and still qualify for a student discount (Actually, Apple doesn't even verify if you're a student, they take your DL# to make sure you only buy one edu discount desktop and/or laptop per year), I got a ridiculously good deal on this business laptop. The laptop will be used exclusively for work, and then I'm selling the current gen iPod touch that I got for free, and will be purchasing the new version that comes out in about 2 weeks (which will be cheaper, so I will break even on this exchange, and actually be ahead since the original iPod was free). The iPod Touch 3rd revision is supposed to have a camera and microphone so I will use this to record conversations with clients, also a business usage.

With that said, I also got a printer for free after rebate.

For about 750 bucks, I now have a work laptop, a work iPod, and a work printer/scanner, faxer. Bam!

In any case, this is by far the nicest laptop I've ever used from a useability perspective. It could be more powerful and have a higher resolution matte display, but those are minor gripes.

Zig, you should have bought this. The ambient light sensor and backlit keyboard are sooooo nice!

[MJZiggy]

Yes. I should have. I would have been very handy transferring files to a work and former desktop that it isn't always compatible with. That would have been fun to have files that won't open when I have to be able to work on them on my lunch hour.

Also, I use the numberic keypad. A lot. Does your Macbook happen to have one?

Ah hell, while I'm at it, I want to switch anti-virus software. Anyone got brands they especially like?

[SkinBasket]

Ah hell, while I'm at it, I want to switch anti-virus software. Anyone got brands they especially like?

What are you using now? AVG is free and good.

[Scott Campbell]

Yes. I should have.



:lol:



Now that is a deadpan.


+1 for AVG. They try to hide the free version, but it's still there.

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Yes. I should have. I would have been very handy transferring files to a work and former desktop that it isn't always compatible with. That would have been fun to have files that won't open when I have to be able to work on them on my lunch hour.

How many times to I have to tell you? It will be 100% compatible?


Also, I use the numberic keypad. A lot. Does your Macbook happen to have one?

You can plug in a 5 dollar USB keyboard


Ah hell, while I'm at it, I want to switch anti-virus software. Anyone got brands they especially like?

With a Mac you wouldn't have to, but you should probably use AVG free version. Must suck to have to worry about corrupting data from having millions of hackers and viruses trying to get you, hey? I wouldn't know as my Mac is nice and secure :D

[BallHawk]

It's like a zombie that won't die.

[MJZiggy]

It's like a zombie that won't die.

:lol:

No the zombie just won't listen. If he had been listening he'd already know that my graphics person has a mac that is only semi-compatible with my work computer. Every third file has to be resent. Sometimes more than once. And I'm not carrying around a peripheral when I can get the feature built in.

Thanks for the advice guys.

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It's like a zombie that won't die.

:lol:

No the zombie just won't listen. If he had been listening he'd already know that my graphics person has a mac that is only semi-compatible with my work computer. Every third file has to be resent. Sometimes more than once. And I'm not carrying around a peripheral when I can get the feature built in.

Thanks for the advice guys.

That's called user error ziggy. Clearly the guy is incompetent. Files aren't just suddenly incompatible! Especially when using commercial software like Adobe CS. That's a crock of BS, and if you choose to believe the bs rather than understand the truth, well, thats not good.

[MJZiggy]

Yes, P. The graphic artist with 20 years experience who puts out a magazine that wins awards every year and who does all of our ads and sell sheets is incompetent. Also explain to me why IT departments in two different offices (and other companies' IT people as well) say it's just something that happens cross platform and you just need to resend the file. But of course they're all incompetent as well.

[Iron Mike]

Yes, P. The graphic artist with 20 years experience who puts out a magazine that wins awards every year and who does all of our ads and sell sheets is incompetent. Also explain to me why IT departments in two different offices (and other companies' IT people as well) say it's just something that happens cross platform and you just need to resend the file. But of course they're all incompetent as well.

Patlerized. :P

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Yes, P. The graphic artist with 20 years experience who puts out a magazine that wins awards every year and who does all of our ads and sell sheets is incompetent. Also explain to me why IT departments in two different offices (and other companies' IT people as well) say it's just something that happens cross platform and you just need to resend the file. But of course they're all incompetent as well.

And you're 100% positive that they're right? And they've given an explanation that mathematically makes sense instead of "sometimes a file gets corrupt and you have to resend it"? So, it's inconsistent? Since when are computers inconsistent? Laziness is a strong force.

The fact that they came out with Adobe Bridge in the original CS which is a file management tool to go not only between machines, but between platforms, leads me to believe that those people are full of shinanigans, in addition to the fact that I work with about 50% macs and 50% pcs and we all make websites together and use some assets generated in windows and some generated on a mac using Adobe software.

Take 10 minutes and google this and find out what a load of bs it is.

Human error.

[Scott Campbell]

What do you think of Hackintosh's P?

[MJZiggy]

Yes, P. The graphic artist with 20 years experience who puts out a magazine that wins awards every year and who does all of our ads and sell sheets is incompetent. Also explain to me why IT departments in two different offices (and other companies' IT people as well) say it's just something that happens cross platform and you just need to resend the file. But of course they're all incompetent as well.

And you're 100% positive that they're right? And they've given an explanation that mathematically makes sense instead of "sometimes a file gets corrupt and you have to resend it"? So, it's inconsistent? Since when are computers inconsistent? Laziness is a strong force.

The fact that they came out with Adobe Bridge in the original CS which is a file management tool to go not only between machines, but between platforms, leads me to believe that those people are full of shinanigans, in addition to the fact that I work with about 50% macs and 50% pcs and we all make websites together and use some assets generated in windows and some generated on a mac using Adobe software.

Take 10 minutes and google this and find out what a load of bs it is.

Human error.

You're basing your opinion on a file management tool? Yes, every IT person I've ever worked with (before and after taking time off) is a lazy SOB and you're entirely right. You've obviously figured out and cured EVERY cross platform issue. When you have your cure in open software and I can plug it in so that I DON'T NEED THE IT DEPT. TO NOT BE LAZY AND FIX THE PROBLEM SO THAT I NEVER HAVE A FILE THAT NEEDS RESENDING THEN COME AND TALK TO ME.

[Partial]

What do you think of Hackintosh's P?

Love them. I have one, its solid as a rack, fast, glorious. I'm extremely satisfied with mine. iAtkos 5i distro takes any pain out of the process.

[Partial]

Yes, P. The graphic artist with 20 years experience who puts out a magazine that wins awards every year and who does all of our ads and sell sheets is incompetent. Also explain to me why IT departments in two different offices (and other companies' IT people as well) say it's just something that happens cross platform and you just need to resend the file. But of course they're all incompetent as well.

And you're 100% positive that they're right? And they've given an explanation that mathematically makes sense instead of "sometimes a file gets corrupt and you have to resend it"? So, it's inconsistent? Since when are computers inconsistent? Laziness is a strong force.

The fact that they came out with Adobe Bridge in the original CS which is a file management tool to go not only between machines, but between platforms, leads me to believe that those people are full of shinanigans, in addition to the fact that I work with about 50% macs and 50% pcs and we all make websites together and use some assets generated in windows and some generated on a mac using Adobe software.

Take 10 minutes and google this and find out what a load of bs it is.

Human error.

You're basing your opinion on a file management tool? Yes, every IT person I've ever worked with (before and after taking time off) is a lazy SOB and you're entirely right. You've obviously figured out and cured EVERY cross platform issue. When you have your cure in open software and I can plug it in so that I DON'T NEED THE IT DEPT. TO NOT BE LAZY AND FIX THE PROBLEM SO THAT I NEVER HAVE A FILE THAT NEEDS RESENDING THEN COME AND TALK TO ME.

Okay. Rather than googling it and pointing me to an article and maybe learning something yourself, you'd rather take someone elses word for it. Smart. There isn't an incompatibility.

[MJZiggy]

When it takes IT to fix the problem, it is called a solution I'm not willing to deal with on my home computer. If there weren't an incompatibility, then we wouldn't be calling the IT departments of several companies lazy. I don't have an IT department at home. It needs to work. Oh look. My PC works. The first time. Every time. Problem solved.

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When it takes IT to fix the problem, it is called a solution I'm not willing to deal with on my home computer. If there weren't an incompatibility, then we wouldn't be calling the IT departments of several companies lazy. I don't have an IT department at home. It needs to work. Oh look. My PC works. The first time. Every time. Problem solved.

Whatever you say Ziggy. Again, you're being ignorant. Rather than googling and providing a source or doing any research yourself, you're refusing. Typical.

[Scott Campbell]

What do you think of Hackintosh's P?

Love them. I have one, its solid as a rack, fast, glorious. I'm extremely satisfied with mine. iAtkos 5i distro takes any pain out of the process.


Desktop, or lappy?

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What do you think of Hackintosh's P?

Love them. I have one, its solid as a rack, fast, glorious. I'm extremely satisfied with mine. iAtkos 5i distro takes any pain out of the process.


Desktop, or lappy?

Desktop. I bought a cheap core 2 and overclocked it from 2.2 to 3.6, then threw 4gb of ram, 500gb hdd and a 8600 gt at it. Runs unbelieveably quickly, rarely do I notice a difference from the 8 core 8 gb Mac Pro I use at work.

[MJZiggy]

When it takes IT to fix the problem, it is called a solution I'm not willing to deal with on my home computer. If there weren't an incompatibility, then we wouldn't be calling the IT departments of several companies lazy. I don't have an IT department at home. It needs to work. Oh look. My PC works. The first time. Every time. Problem solved.

Whatever you say Ziggy. Again, you're being ignorant. Rather than googling and providing a source or doing any research yourself, you're refusing. Typical.

Maybe since you're the one trying to prove a point, you should go ahead and prove it.

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When it takes IT to fix the problem, it is called a solution I'm not willing to deal with on my home computer. If there weren't an incompatibility, then we wouldn't be calling the IT departments of several companies lazy. I don't have an IT department at home. It needs to work. Oh look. My PC works. The first time. Every time. Problem solved.

Whatever you say Ziggy. Again, you're being ignorant. Rather than googling and providing a source or doing any research yourself, you're refusing. Typical.

Maybe since you're the one trying to prove a point, you should go ahead and prove it.

You can't prove that there isn't an incompatibility. I can't find a single reference to one. You could easily provide a contradiction, though. Proof by contradiction is typically the easiest decisive argument one could make.

[MJZiggy]

:roll:

The proof that I need is that it doesn't work on my computer. Prove me wrong.

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:roll:

The proof that I need is that it doesn't work on my computer. Prove me wrong.

You don't know that it doesn't. You haven't tried it. That's why you're being ignorant. Every shred of evidence I have seen points to you being incorrect. I've done my fair share of googling for you.

I <3 my MacBook Pro. Soooo sexy, useable and wonderful. It's seriously a joy to use as the trackpad provides the best user experience I've encountered yet on a notebook.

[MJZiggy]

The fact that I keep having to have files resent to my computer isn't proof for me? Guess what? I say that I have a problem with Mac computers on my work computer because I've tried to receive them and I have a problem with Mac files on my computer. That's called proof. Prove to me that those files I'm getting that have to be resent don't have to be resent. Never mind. I don't even care.

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The fact that I keep having to have files resent to my computer isn't proof for me? Guess what? I say that I have a problem with Mac computers on my work computer because I've tried to receive them and I have a problem with Mac files on my computer. That's called proof. Prove to me that those files I'm getting that have to be resent don't have to be resent. Never mind. I don't even care.

Wait, so you have to have files resent to you on a Windows machine? Perhaps that problem isn't exclusive to a Mac, then :lol: Selfpwn.

What files extensions from what application leads to trouble?

So someone else uses a Mac and it's causing you an inconvience on your Windows machine? Wouldn't the obvious solution have been to get a Mac, then :wink: ? Ahhh, logic!

[MJZiggy]

It isn't a problem at all. I don't have a Mac.

Yes. I'll get a Mac when 1999 of the 2000 other users in the system use PCs. That sounds like a solution. Sounds to me like the better solution is for the Mac user to switch, no?

The problem files are usually .jpg, .eps, .pdf, .indd or .zip and I'm not the only one who has trouble receiving them.

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It isn't a problem at all. I don't have a Mac.

Yes. I'll get a Mac when 1999 of the 2000 other users in the system use PCs. That sounds like a solution. Sounds to me like the better solution is for the Mac user to switch, no?

The problem files are usually .jpg, .eps, .pdf, .indd or .zip and I'm not the only one who has trouble receiving them.

LOL! Jpg... No chance there is possibly an incompatbility.

.eps (I'm assuming this is illustrator).... no chance there is a possible incompatibility

.pdf.... no chance there is a possible incompatibility

.indd (indesign?)... no chance there is a possible incompatibility

.zip I've seen some goofy behavior on windows with files zipped up using the default Mac zip utility. There is a freeware download that creates windows zip files, and this alleviates these problems.

Ziggy, based on the above, the only problem will be with zip. Based on the file type, there is absolutely 0% chance, regardless of what BS you are preaching or your IT people are preaching. I'd believe the .zip, but the remedy is simple.

[MJZiggy]

Hey, guess what??? The files don't open. Zipped or not. But I don't have a problem from my home computer, because, guess what? I don't have a mac. The files open. All of them. Every time. How is it you don't get this?

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Hey, guess what??? The files don't open. Zipped or not. But I don't have a problem from my home computer, because, guess what? I don't have a mac. The files open. All of them. Every time. How is it you don't get this?

Yet you're insisting some situation exists that you've never tried.... Silly. Look at the file formats, what they consist of, what apps open them, etc. No way.

[MJZiggy]

I'm not spending mac money on an experiment. I have tried. PC to PC files work. Mac files usually work on my work computer. End of story. And end of discussion.

[SkinBasket]

I'm too lazy to find the thread where he doomed me, but go fuck yourself Zool. I blew a HDD yesterday.

[retailguy]

http://rlv.zcache.com/i_cant_wanna_listen_tshirt-p235869589920108887t5tr_400.jpg

[retailguy]

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8260/macvspcho8.jpg

[retailguy]

http://rlv.zcache.com/i_am_so_not_a_mac_tshirt-p235659201236714069ybwv_400.jpg

[retailguy]

http://www.aboutlife.com/files/mac_pc_peep_.jpg

[retailguy]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3212/2867441466_0f17d1805f_o.jpg

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I really think that is quite stupid for a slew of reasons.

1. How many quality Windows laptop can you do anymore customizations than an Apple laptop?

2. As for Desktops, you can update a Mac desktop just as easily as a PC. I do agree that it sucks the big one that they don't have a mid level headless Mac. It really is ridiculous, but I can understand why they do it from a business perspective. I just don't like it.

[Scott Campbell]

I really think that is quite stupid for a slew of reasons.

1. How many quality Windows laptop can you do anymore customizations than an Apple laptop?

2. As for Desktops, you can update a Mac desktop just as easily as a PC. I do agree that it sucks the big one that they don't have a mid level headless Mac. It really is ridiculous, but I can understand why they do it from a business perspective. I just don't like it.


Can you update a graphics card on a Mac now? A CPU?

[Scott Campbell]

I'm too lazy to find the thread where he doomed me, but go fuck yourself Zool. I blew a HDD yesterday.


Spooky - I did too. Maybe it was a sympathy failure.

[SkinBasket]

I'm too lazy to find the thread where he doomed me, but go fuck yourself Zool. I blew a HDD yesterday.


Spooky - I did too. Maybe it was a sympathy failure.

Do you back your stuff up? I don't.

[Scott Campbell]

I'm too lazy to find the thread where he doomed me, but go fuck yourself Zool. I blew a HDD yesterday.


Spooky - I did too. Maybe it was a sympathy failure.

Do you back your stuff up? I don't.


Yeah. I got a little Windows Home Server. It does it every night. Best Microsoft product I've ever bought. I'll be back up and running in 20 minutes as soon as I find a hard drive to slap in there.

[Zool]

Too lazy to back stuff up too huh Skin?

Welcome to Costco I love you

[Partial]

I really think that is quite stupid for a slew of reasons.

1. How many quality Windows laptop can you do anymore customizations than an Apple laptop?

2. As for Desktops, you can update a Mac desktop just as easily as a PC. I do agree that it sucks the big one that they don't have a mid level headless Mac. It really is ridiculous, but I can understand why they do it from a business perspective. I just don't like it.


Can you update a graphics card on a Mac now? A CPU?

Yeah, you always could. Since it wasn't an x86 architecture it was just more expensive.

Now, you can use basically any card and flash it is my understanding instead of getting the EFI mac based card.

Cannot wait until PC ditch legacy bios and get up to date with the current rockstar Mac.

[Freak Out]

I really think that is quite stupid for a slew of reasons.

1. How many quality Windows laptop can you do anymore customizations than an Apple laptop?

2. As for Desktops, you can update a Mac desktop just as easily as a PC. I do agree that it sucks the big one that they don't have a mid level headless Mac. It really is ridiculous, but I can understand why they do it from a business perspective. I just don't like it.


Can you update a graphics card on a Mac now? A CPU?

Yeah, you always could. Since it wasn't an x86 architecture it was just more expensive.

Now, you can use basically any card and flash it is my understanding instead of getting the EFI mac based card.

Cannot wait until PC ditch legacy bios and get up to date with the current rockstar Mac.

I don't think that's the case bro.

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I really think that is quite stupid for a slew of reasons.

1. How many quality Windows laptop can you do anymore customizations than an Apple laptop?

2. As for Desktops, you can update a Mac desktop just as easily as a PC. I do agree that it sucks the big one that they don't have a mid level headless Mac. It really is ridiculous, but I can understand why they do it from a business perspective. I just don't like it.


Can you update a graphics card on a Mac now? A CPU?

Yeah, you always could. Since it wasn't an x86 architecture it was just more expensive.

Now, you can use basically any card and flash it is my understanding instead of getting the EFI mac based card.

Cannot wait until PC ditch legacy bios and get up to date with the current rockstar Mac.

I don't think that's the case bro.

In what regard?

[Freak Out]

I really think that is quite stupid for a slew of reasons.

1. How many quality Windows laptop can you do anymore customizations than an Apple laptop?

2. As for Desktops, you can update a Mac desktop just as easily as a PC. I do agree that it sucks the big one that they don't have a mid level headless Mac. It really is ridiculous, but I can understand why they do it from a business perspective. I just don't like it.


Can you update a graphics card on a Mac now? A CPU?

Yeah, you always could. Since it wasn't an x86 architecture it was just more expensive.

Now, you can use basically any card and flash it is my understanding instead of getting the EFI mac based card.

Cannot wait until PC ditch legacy bios and get up to date with the current rockstar Mac.

I don't think that's the case bro.

In what regard?

I thought the manufacturers were the only ones who could (reliably) flash and design a graphics card to work on a mac? I still see new mac specific cards being put out and if anyone could flash a card why would that be the case?

[Freak Out]

Just an observation because I build pc rigs all the time and not macs. :) Oh that's right....It's a pain to build a custom mac rig. :)

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I really think that is quite stupid for a slew of reasons.

1. How many quality Windows laptop can you do anymore customizations than an Apple laptop?

2. As for Desktops, you can update a Mac desktop just as easily as a PC. I do agree that it sucks the big one that they don't have a mid level headless Mac. It really is ridiculous, but I can understand why they do it from a business perspective. I just don't like it.


Can you update a graphics card on a Mac now? A CPU?

Yeah, you always could. Since it wasn't an x86 architecture it was just more expensive.

Now, you can use basically any card and flash it is my understanding instead of getting the EFI mac based card.

Cannot wait until PC ditch legacy bios and get up to date with the current rockstar Mac.

I don't think that's the case bro.

In what regard?

I thought the manufacturers were the only ones who could (reliably) flash and design a graphics card to work on a mac? I still see new mac specific cards being put out and if anyone could flash a card why would that be the case?

The only difference between a PC and Mac now is having a next-gen bios instead of an old legacy bios and then quality software and hardware.

That said, any card that will function with an x86 card can be flashed to work with EFI instead of a bios.

That said, there are a lot of people who are either A) dumb or B) lazy so they still market Mac specific cards as most graphic cards won't work OOTB.

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Just an observation because I build pc rigs all the time and not macs. :) Oh that's right....It's a pain to build a custom mac rig. :)

Fallacy. It is actually pretty damn easy to do a hackintosh nowadays. Mine runs like a champ. Benefits of linux without the pain in the ass that is linux :D

Benefits of slickdeals.net purchased hardware and stolen software = really cheap, nice Mac set-up that in most cases performances as well as my 5000 dollar set-up at work (8 core, 8gb ram Mac Pro with top of the line graphics (why I have no idea) and then two Dell ultra sharp 24" monitors). I purchased mine for about 600 total with two 22" monitors, decent graphics (8600 gt 256) 4gb ram, 500 gb 32mb cache drive, E5200 I believe overclocked to 3.6 ghz, Tuniq tower cooler

[Freak Out]

Where can I download the latest rev of OSX for free?

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Where can I download the latest rev of OSX for free?

The usual places. Do some homework on iAtkos 5i it works like a champion.

[superfan]

As I type this I'm already regretting posting in this train wreck of a discussion, but what the hell.

Somebody posted earlier about no chance of cross platform incompatibilities with certain types of files. Not true. While both Mac and Windows OS natively support the file types mentioned when the appropriate software is installed, other factors certainly come into play.

Ziggy's file transfer issues she referenced multiple times are almost certainly due to an incompatibility with e-mail servers and/or clients. Different e-mail clients on different OS's manage attachment handling differently, and it is not unusual to see e-mail attachments get damaged/corrupted/stripped when sent cross platform. No need to blame and/or defend a particular OS, but to blindly expect all systems to seamlessly interact with any other system will lead to disappointment, this simply isn't reality.

There are many more cross platform incompatibilities. Off the top of my head -

.jpg - Many Mac designers create CMYK jpgs (popular for printing), but Internet Explorer and Powerpoint in Windows can't open a CMYK jpg, only RGB.

.pdf - Preview on Mac struggles with forms created in Adobe Acrobat for Windows, fonts are messed up and form data can't be completed.

.ppt, .indd - Formatting in these programs is not consistent cross platform, even using a common font such as Arial.

I could go on and on, but will spare whoever is unfortunate enough to be reading this. I'm not saying these are insurmountable issues, but they are potential headaches for someone who simply wants to power on their system and do their work without fighting avoidable problems.

Apple, Dell, HP, IBM, Microsoft, Google etc. all make good and bad products. Best advice for any individual is to find a product you like, you are comfortable with, and will fit your need.


I'm not spending mac money on an experiment. I have tried. PC to PC files work. Mac files usually work on my work computer. End of story. And end of discussion.

The quote above sums it up. For someone else a Mac might make sense. For Ziggy's situation, it makes perfect sense to stick with Windows.

Zig, I recently purchased a Dell Latitude E6500 laptop for a coworker and spent some time with the system. I was impressed with its build quality and bang for the buck. It isn't the sexiest laptop on the market, but should be a solid choice, and the models sold on the Dell outlet site are within your budget. Worth a look.

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Suprfan, you pointed out some really random, rare cases.

While that may be so that an email client may strip out some stuff. I've never heard of this before outside of a few super old, horrible clients like Lotus Notes that no one should use, or unless the file format is considered dangerous. Simple solution is to archive it.

you don't need to use preview on a Mac. PDF is an open format and can be handled by any number of apps. Preview isn't a PDF viewer, it's an image viewer that happens to be able to interact with pdf. Surely anyone doing any serious work with PDF would have a dedicated application. If you really want to get picky, there is not a single application that I'm aware of outside of acrobat that handles the entire spec of PDF. Did you know you can in theory embed a swf in a PDF? How many viewers support this? As far as I've found from googling only Acrobat.

You're right on the jpgs, but I cannot imagine that would be an issue. I've been using Macs for years, with many, many graphical applications and desginers and have never encountered this. This is an unrealistic situation, especially given Ziggy's situation.

Source on the .ppt and .indd problems? Again, I work with a lot of designers on a day to day basis and have made my fair share of power points on my Mac using Arial (second favorite font) and have never had an issue when doing a weekly presentation on a PC for over a year straight.

Perhaps your experience has been different than mine, but none of these seem like realistic issues.

[MJZiggy]

P, you've glossed over the issue. Think about who I'm trying to interface with. A GRAPHIC DESIGNER who puts out a PRINT magazine. This is why you drive people nuts. You're just not willing to hear an opinion that doesn't match whatever you can dig up on google.

Thank you, Superfan, that was incredibly helpful.
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I have an old, beat up Dell that I use to get work e-mail at home. Solid, though it's traveled the world far more than I have and is a little (ok a lot) beat up. But I saved it from the trash heap and it gets e-mail and runs basic office just fine.

In the end, I wound up with a Toshiba with a numeric keypad and it does exactly what I'd like it to do easily. I haven't done a lot of photo editing yet, but that is coming.

[SkinBasket]

Perhaps your experience has been different than mine, but none of these seem like realistic issues.

Realistic issues? :lol:

Have you checked the score Partial? We have two people citing specific examples of issues related to specific file types cross platform versus your hypothetical denial of these issues. No offense, but I'm leaning toward the real world experience over the "that shouldn't be a problem on a Mac" argument.

[Scott Campbell]

Here's how this conversation boils down for me. We have Ziggy, who got some decent advice and made a decision, and seems very happy with her decision. And then we have Partial, who is trying his best to make her unhappy with her decision.

P, I've learned some valuable stuff from you, but it's no longer about being right or wrong. We want a happy Ziggy.

[Zool]

humerous that he does love to bring up every time he proves someone wrong

[Partial]

Perhaps your experience has been different than mine, but none of these seem like realistic issues.

Realistic issues? :lol:

Have you checked the score Partial? We have two people citing specific examples of issues related to specific file types cross platform versus your hypothetical denial of these issues. No offense, but I'm leaning toward the real world experience over the "that shouldn't be a problem on a Mac" argument.

We don't have any examples. Name one please. We have an example of Suprfan saying you can't edit a PDF in an image viewer. Surprise. You can't do that in photoshop either! You've got to use the correct app for the job and their won't be any issues.

I've never seen those issues, and outside of the jpeg issue, I can't see where there'd be any issues. Given that Ziggy says there is one Mac guy and 1000's of PC guys, what are the odds of having an issue with the jpeg? 1 in 1000, or .1% of the time. Probably less because said guy would know better.

Real world experience? Ziggy doesn't have real world experience, instead she cites really dumb theoretical examples. I work on a Mac every day for work, and on one at home. I use these computers to collaborate with colleagues on PCs every single day. I've never seen an issue beyond the Mac-format of zipping files. Suprfan does have the real world experience, but I can't say that my extensive experience has matched his at all. One would think giant Vendors like Microsoft and Adobe would get their software to be compatible (which from my extensive experience it is).

[Freak Out]

What Apple needs to do is release an OS for public distribution that will run on the "newer" Intel and AMD platforms for the enthusiast crowd to make use of...keep building macs and macbooks but allow guys like to build the rig I want, with the components I want without having to fucking steal the OS.

They need to nut up and put this thing out there.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=16060

[SkinBasket]

I've never seen those issues, and outside of the jpeg issue, I can't see where there'd be any issues.

So your position is that if you haven't seen it, it doesn't exist?

[Partial]

What Apple needs to do is release an OS for public distribution that will run on the "newer" Intel and AMD platforms for the enthusiast crowd to make use of...keep building macs and macbooks but allow guys like to build the rig I want, with the components I want without having to fucking steal the OS.

They need to nut up and put this thing out there.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=16060

From an enthusiast perspective, I agree. From a business perspective, why would they? People are just going to steal it anyway. Nobody legitimately buys windows unless they A) buy a machine factory built or B) are a business. Licenses OS X might yield more sales of a few HP and Dell machines, but few in business, etc.

Apple makes more money on hardware. They're a smart company and have more money in their bank then any other SV company. They used to be Apple Computer Inc before changing to Apple Inc, recall. They're first and foremost a hardware company.

[Partial]

I've never seen those issues, and outside of the jpeg issue, I can't see where there'd be any issues.

So your position is that if you haven't seen it, it doesn't exist?

No, not at all. Ziggy hasn't seen this, I haven't seen this, Suprfan claims they exist but I'm not sure if he's actually seen it. Google doesn't have documnetation supporting this, and I find it hard to believe huge vendors would have such poorly written software that files are cross-compatbile.

[MJZiggy]

If Ziggy hadn't seen this, she'd have considered a mac. I gave you a list of ACTUAL files that I've ACTUALLY had problems with on MY ACTUAL computer. How is it possible you don't get that?

On a side note, I had a blind date with a guy that was like a cross between Partial and Ty. All he wanted to talk about was his iPhone and Voice of America. He couldn't figure out why I didn't want to go back to his place to meet his Mac and his cats (in that order, I think).

[CaptainKickass]

On a side note, I had a blind date

Damn Zig -

I've never seen you, but you sure seem like the kind of gal that really needs to date someone with eyesight.


:wink: :D :wink:

[Partial]

If Ziggy hadn't seen this, she'd have considered a mac. I gave you a list of ACTUAL files that I've ACTUALLY had problems with on MY ACTUAL computer. How is it possible you don't get that?

On a side note, I had a blind date with a guy that was like a cross between Partial and Ty. All he wanted to talk about was his iPhone and Voice of America. He couldn't figure out why I didn't want to go back to his place to meet his Mac and his cats (in that order, I think).

Zig, if the problems you're having are on your PC, then that is the problem. The solution would be to get a Mac and start living life without barriers.

[Freak Out]

If Ziggy hadn't seen this, she'd have considered a mac. I gave you a list of ACTUAL files that I've ACTUALLY had problems with on MY ACTUAL computer. How is it possible you don't get that?

On a side note, I had a blind date with a guy that was like a cross between Partial and Ty. All he wanted to talk about was his iPhone and Voice of America. He couldn't figure out why I didn't want to go back to his place to meet his Mac and his cats (in that order, I think).

Zig, if the problems you're having are on your PC, then that is the problem. The solution would be to get a Mac and start living life without barriers.

:lol:

[MJZiggy]

If Ziggy hadn't seen this, she'd have considered a mac. I gave you a list of ACTUAL files that I've ACTUALLY had problems with on MY ACTUAL computer. How is it possible you don't get that?

On a side note, I had a blind date with a guy that was like a cross between Partial and Ty. All he wanted to talk about was his iPhone and Voice of America. He couldn't figure out why I didn't want to go back to his place to meet his Mac and his cats (in that order, I think).

Zig, if the problems you're having are on your PC, then that is the problem. The solution would be to get a Mac and start living life without barriers.

Oh for the love of CHRIST. Can someone with reading comprehension explain this to the boy? In other words ANY of the rest of you?

[Scott Campbell]

On a side note, I had a blind date with a guy that was like a cross between Partial and Ty.


I didn't get my wedding invitation yet. :cry:

[Fritz]

You're crazy. All
of you.

Go read some Dostoyevsky or something.

[Partial]

If Ziggy hadn't seen this, she'd have considered a mac. I gave you a list of ACTUAL files that I've ACTUALLY had problems with on MY ACTUAL computer. How is it possible you don't get that?

On a side note, I had a blind date with a guy that was like a cross between Partial and Ty. All he wanted to talk about was his iPhone and Voice of America. He couldn't figure out why I didn't want to go back to his place to meet his Mac and his cats (in that order, I think).

Zig, if the problems you're having are on your PC, then that is the problem. The solution would be to get a Mac and start living life without barriers.

Oh for the love of CHRIST. Can someone with reading comprehension explain this to the boy? In other words ANY of the rest of you?

You've had problems on your computer. Not the mac. Is that Mac guy going to stop making files? Doubtful. Solution is to get a Mac and live life without barriers.

You think you'd be more grateful to someone trying to make your life at minimum 4 to 5 times better than you've ever experienced. How many hours a day are you on a computer? Let's say 10. Each hour is equivalent to .5 happiness levels better than you've experienced ever before. That's a solid 5x happiness ratio.

[Scott Campbell]

You think you'd be more grateful to someone 4 to 5 times more annoying than anyone you've ever experienced.



Fixed.

[BallHawk]

Anybody get any teeth pulled lately?

[Partial]

Microsoft Exchange Support:

- Built into to OS X Snow Leopard

- You have to buy Office (what is this, 500 bucks these days for a full license) to have exchange support.

hardy har.




For those people who are too stubborn/ignorant to switch to a Mac, why not get a Mac and virtualize your windows OS? This is what I do when I have to test windows browsers.

While I'm on my soapbox, fuck anyone in the face who uses IE6 or IE7.

[HowardRoark]

You're crazy. All
of you.

Go read some Dostoyevsky or something.

I was going to read The Idiot, but decided to stay here.

[SkinBasket]

Anybody get any teeth pulled lately?

No but I threw up a couple days ago. Then to save water, I pooped in the vomit before flushing.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

If Ziggy hadn't seen this, she'd have considered a mac. I gave you a list of ACTUAL files that I've ACTUALLY had problems with on MY ACTUAL computer. How is it possible you don't get that?

On a side note, I had a blind date with a guy that was like a cross between Partial and Ty. All he wanted to talk about was his iPhone and Voice of America. He couldn't figure out why I didn't want to go back to his place to meet his Mac and his cats (in that order, I think).

Listen up sweetie, Ty doesn't talk about computers, politics, or the pack when out on dates.

Ty is more apt to discuss: Food, wine, novels (How to Sell by Clancy Martin), movies, music and most importantly...will jennifer aniston ever find love again.

[MJZiggy]

Anybody get any teeth pulled lately?

ROFL :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Should I do it? Oh what the hell. Partial, So I somehow get my boss to pay for switching my computer to a Mac, but now I can't exchange files with the :lol: OTHER thousand people I work with. Thanks for fixing that for me. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[HowardRoark]

If Ziggy hadn't seen this, she'd have considered a mac. I gave you a list of ACTUAL files that I've ACTUALLY had problems with on MY ACTUAL computer. How is it possible you don't get that?

On a side note, I had a blind date with a guy that was like a cross between Partial and Ty. All he wanted to talk about was his iPhone and Voice of America. He couldn't figure out why I didn't want to go back to his place to meet his Mac and his cats (in that order, I think).

Listen up sweetie, Ty doesn't talk about computers, politics, or the pack when out on dates.

Ty is more apt to discuss: Food, wine, novels (How to Sell by Clancy Martin), movies, music and most importantly...will jennifer aniston ever find love again.

Well a person can work up a mean mean thirst
After a hard day of nothin much at all
Summers passed, its too late to cut the grass
There aint much to rake anyway in the fall

And sometimes I just aint in the mood
To take my place in back with the loudmouths
Youre like a picture on the fridge thats never stocked with food
I used to live at home, now I stay at the house

And everybody wants to be special here
They call your name out loud and clear
Here comes a regular
Call out your name
Here comes a regular
Am I the only one here today?

Well a drinkin buddy thats bound to another town
Once the police made you go away
And even if youre in the arms of someones baby now
Ill take a great big whiskey to ya anyway

Everybody wants to be someones here
Someones gonna show up, never fear
cause here comes a regular
Call out your name
Here comes a regular
Am I the only one who feels ashamed?

Kneeling alongside old sad eyes
He says opportunity knocks once then the door slams shut
All I know is Im sick of everything that my money can buy
The fool who wastes his life, God rest his guts

First the lights, then the collar goes up, and the wind begins to blow
Turn your back on a pay-you-back, last call
First the glass, then the leaves that pass, then comes the snow
Aint much to rake anyway in the fall

[Partial]

Man, this keyboard is like heaven. With it's backlit-y goodness and perfect feedback. Oh baby, just like that.

[Freak Out]

Man, this keyboard is like heaven. With it's backlit-y goodness and perfect feedback. Oh baby, just like that.

What keyboard?

[SkinBasket]

Man, this keyboard is like heaven. With it's backlit-y goodness and perfect feedback. Oh baby, just like that.

What keyboard?

The one with the backlit-y gooeyness all over it.

[Freak Out]

Man, this keyboard is like heaven. With it's backlit-y goodness and perfect feedback. Oh baby, just like that.

What keyboard?

The one with the backlit-y gooeyness all over it.

Phosphorescent spunk.

[SkinBasket]

Man, this keyboard is like heaven. With it's backlit-y goodness and perfect feedback. Oh baby, just like that.

What keyboard?

The one with the backlit-y gooeyness all over it.

Phosphorescent spunk.

Balls deep in the I/O Slot. Someone's been rocking out with his dangles out.

[retailguy]

best use I've found yet for a mac....

http://www.slipperybrick.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/macg4.jpg

[retailguy]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/cafclan1/696.gif

[retailguy]

http://www.maximumpc.com/files/u69/MacLoser.png

[retailguy]

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/6/6/8/668aaf47f794f94417cfb92dab3006ce.jpg

[Partial]

Man, this keyboard is like heaven. With it's backlit-y goodness and perfect feedback. Oh baby, just like that.

What keyboard?

The one with the backlit-y gooeyness all over it.

Phosphorescent spunk.

Balls deep in the I/O Slot. Someone's been rocking out with his dangles out.

With a comp this glorious its tough not to.

[retailguy]

need a mailbox? :lol:

http://www.geekologie.com/2007/09/27/apple-mailbox.jpg

[retailguy]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3001/2867437480_f936be72b9_o.png

[retailguy]

http://geniushackers.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/apple-vs-pc-comic.jpg

[Scott Campbell]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3001/2867437480_f936be72b9_o.png


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[SkinBasket]

Man, this keyboard is like heaven. With it's backlit-y goodness and perfect feedback. Oh baby, just like that.

What keyboard?

The one with the backlit-y gooeyness all over it.

Phosphorescent spunk.

Balls deep in the I/O Slot. Someone's been rocking out with his dangles out.

With a comp this glorious its tough not to.

Why fight it? Slap yo' little sausage all over that lot little piece of individuality. Let her know who's the bitch!

[Partial]

I see the humor in people thinking people use Macs to be "individuals" or to stand out. LOL. People use Macs because they're wonderful and create a life without barriers.

[superfan]

People use Macs because they're wonderful and create a life without barriers.

I'll remember this quote the next time my Mac gives me one of these bad boys. At least I have a life without barriers going for me. Which is nice.

http://www.wirelust.com/img/blog/20071031/osx_kernel_panic.jpg

More non-barriers:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3113/2737062183_cb0070d8b0.jpg

http://images.maketecheasier.com/2008/10/oo-mac-error.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3003/2946029196_a0cb5613c4.jpg

http://blog.erikphansen.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/error.png

I happen to have a new MacBook Pro and like it, but let's not make them out to be more than they are. Apple makes computers, and the computers they make are as good and/or flawed as any other system available on the market today.

[Partial]

Except the UI is far more condusive to productive work. And you don't need to worry about someone hacking in. And you don't need to worry about viruses. And you don't need to worry about spyware. And you don't need to buy expensive software for exchange support. And you have unmatched build quality, does anyone else have a CNC machined adonized aluminum machine?

If you're seeing those issues, you're doing it wrong. Last time I chatted with you, you seemed to really enjoy your MBP.

[MadtownPacker]

Man, this keyboard is like heaven. With it's backlit-y goodness and perfect feedback. Oh baby, just like that.

What keyboard?

The one with the backlit-y gooeyness all over it.Now thats the MFer I use to love reading. :lol:

[Partial]

http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/26/entelligence-will-snow-leopards-exchange-support-earn-apple-a/#continued


I've been using Snow Leopard for a few weeks now with our corporate Exchange server and I'm pleased to report: it just works. Simply (far easier to configure Snow Leopard to work with our Exchange server than to set up a new copy of Outlook). Within moments of entering my email address and password, all my calendar items, contacts, email, and to-do lists were integrated into the appropriate Snow Leopard apps. I haven't had a single problem with the configuration. As many reviews have pointed out, Snow Leopard has a lot of nice features but Exchange support may prove to be a killer app for Apple in helping to drive business sales -- as well as help blunt a lot of the marketing hype around Windows 7. I can't overstate how important Exchange support is. For me -- as user who's used both platforms for years -- I've been constrained to using Windows mostly because Exchange worked so much better than Entourage did. With the introduction of the latest version of iLife and Snow Leopard, I find I'm not just doing my creative stuff on the Mac, but am able to fully migrate my business use as well (I'll talk about my lessons as a swticher sometime in the future).


It amazes me day in and day out how Windows users settle for that shit. Not only is Exchange free for Mac users now, but the Mac version of office is a year newer and much better (according to Engadget and several other major media outlets) on a Mac.

[Freak Out]

http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/26/entelligence-will-snow-leopards-exchange-support-earn-apple-a/#continued


I've been using Snow Leopard for a few weeks now with our corporate Exchange server and I'm pleased to report: it just works. Simply (far easier to configure Snow Leopard to work with our Exchange server than to set up a new copy of Outlook). Within moments of entering my email address and password, all my calendar items, contacts, email, and to-do lists were integrated into the appropriate Snow Leopard apps. I haven't had a single problem with the configuration. As many reviews have pointed out, Snow Leopard has a lot of nice features but Exchange support may prove to be a killer app for Apple in helping to drive business sales -- as well as help blunt a lot of the marketing hype around Windows 7. I can't overstate how important Exchange support is. For me -- as user who's used both platforms for years -- I've been constrained to using Windows mostly because Exchange worked so much better than Entourage did. With the introduction of the latest version of iLife and Snow Leopard, I find I'm not just doing my creative stuff on the Mac, but am able to fully migrate my business use as well (I'll talk about my lessons as a swticher sometime in the future).


It amazes me day in and day out how Windows users settle for that shit. Not only is Exchange free for Mac users now, but the Mac version of office is a year newer and much better (according to Engadget and several other major media outlets) on a Mac.

Dude...please stop being such a mac pole smoker...it's a nice piece of hardware with a good OS. I bought my wife a macbook a couple of years ago and if I could justify the expense I would buy a new MPB 13 just to fuck around with....maybe blo some good goo on it sometimes...but fuck...stop with the mac snobbery.....it is not becoming.

Life without barriers is not needing any computer.

[BallHawk]

Life without barriers is not needing any computer.

+1.

[Partial]

Life without barriers is not needing any computer.

+1.

I'll +2 that, that is true.

[Partial]

I cannot emphasize enough how nice of a laptop this 13" MacBook Pro is. It's worth every penny as the hardware quality is just so much better than any other Laptop I've used, including the Dell Latitude 5400 I use at work.

[SkinBasket]

I cannot stress enough how nice my penis is and how happy I've been with it thus far. Just wanted to share since we're sharing unsolicited happy thoughts.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Ty's penis has been great as well, but a special shout out to my endocrine system.

You know what you do and why Ty loves you. Much love pineal gland.

[Partial]

I'm very angry with Apple. They're trying to screw me out of a 230 dollar rebate. Every company has rebate flaws, but I've never had it happen to me and I'm effin mad.

[SkinBasket]

I'm very angry with Apple. They're trying to screw me out of a 230 dollar rebate. Every company has rebate flaws, but I've never had it happen to me and I'm effin mad.

You going to slap your hackintosh with your cock or what?

[Partial]

I'm very angry with Apple. They're trying to screw me out of a 230 dollar rebate. Every company has rebate flaws, but I've never had it happen to me and I'm effin mad.

You going to slap your hackintosh with your cock or what?

No, but I'm going to raise hell until they give me my rebate amoun + 100 for having to dilly dally.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I'm very angry with Apple. They're trying to screw me out of a 230 dollar rebate. Every company has rebate flaws, but I've never had it happen to me and I'm effin mad.

You don't even have an apple.

[Partial]

I'm very angry with Apple. They're trying to screw me out of a 230 dollar rebate. Every company has rebate flaws, but I've never had it happen to me and I'm effin mad.

You don't even have an apple.

Disagree.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3498/4030150329_391cbff4af.jpg

[pasquale]

I'm very angry with Apple. They're trying to screw me out of a 230 dollar rebate. Every company has rebate flaws, but I've never had it happen to me and I'm effin mad.

You don't even have an apple.

Disagree.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3498/4030150329_391cbff4af.jpg

that wall of bamboo looks like a natural barrier.

[retailguy]

I'm very angry with Apple. They're trying to screw me out of a 230 dollar rebate. Every company has rebate flaws, but I've never had it happen to me and I'm effin mad.

this is what happens when you deal with that company. I bought ONE item. I will NEVER buy another.

You will never get an additional $100 either. They don't care about you, or your business.

[Partial]

I'm very angry with Apple. They're trying to screw me out of a 230 dollar rebate. Every company has rebate flaws, but I've never had it happen to me and I'm effin mad.

this is what happens when you deal with that company. I bought ONE item. I will NEVER buy another.

You will never get an additional $100 either. They don't care about you, or your business.

I'm sure I'll get both. This is my 4th Mac and I've never had a single bad experience. They're great and by far the leader in customer service in the PC industry.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I'm very angry with Apple. They're trying to screw me out of a 230 dollar rebate. Every company has rebate flaws, but I've never had it happen to me and I'm effin mad.

You don't even have an apple.

Disagree.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3498/4030150329_391cbff4af.jpg

that wall of bamboo looks like a natural barrier.

Dude, do you know how easy that is to fake?

[Partial]

Yes.

[retailguy]

I'm very angry with Apple. They're trying to screw me out of a 230 dollar rebate. Every company has rebate flaws, but I've never had it happen to me and I'm effin mad.

this is what happens when you deal with that company. I bought ONE item. I will NEVER buy another.

You will never get an additional $100 either. They don't care about you, or your business.

I'm sure I'll get both. This is my 4th Mac and I've never had a single bad experience. They're great and by far the leader in customer service in the PC industry.

you just had a "single bad experience", and that's why you're 'effin mad, huh?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Yes.

You faked it.

[Partial]

Yes.

You faked it.


You caught me.






I'm very angry with Apple. They're trying to screw me out of a 230 dollar rebate. Every company has rebate flaws, but I've never had it happen to me and I'm effin mad.

this is what happens when you deal with that company. I bought ONE item. I will NEVER buy another.

You will never get an additional $100 either. They don't care about you, or your business.

I'm sure I'll get both. This is my 4th Mac and I've never had a single bad experience. They're great and by far the leader in customer service in the PC industry.

you just had a "single bad experience", and that's why you're 'effin mad, huh?

230 outta my pocket. I'm sure I will get it. It's just a pita.

[Zool]

Type "hi Ty" into spotlight and screenshot it.

Make sure you rename your dir of surveillance photos you have of him first.

[MJZiggy]

Good thing I bought that PC so I don't have to go through crap like this.

[Partial]

Good thing I bought that PC so I don't have to go through crap like this.

You mean like getting a free iPod? I know, it's horrible.

[MJZiggy]

I already have and I'm not out $250. How much is that compared to the cost of an iPod again?

[Partial]

I already have and I'm not out $250. How much is that compared to the cost of an iPod again?

*Sigh*. Dealing with you is just painful. You don't use your head.

I will get my rebate, it is just a matter of getting on the horn with the right people. Are you honestly telling me you've never had any issues with rebates or haven't heard of this happening to anyone ever? If so, I envy you.

That said, iPod will be free after rebate. I already had an iPod so I sold it for cash on CL.

If you are content working on some thick, heavy, slow PC loaded with bloat ware, spyware and viruses, go ahead. Do yourself a favor and at least install Windows 7 or Ubuntu linux.

[pasquale]

I already have and I'm not out $250. How much is that compared to the cost of an iPod again?

*Sigh*. Dealing with you is just painful. You don't use your head.

I will get my rebate, it is just a matter of getting on the horn with the right people. Are you honestly telling me you've never had any issues with rebates or haven't heard of this happening to anyone ever? If so, I envy you.

That said, iPod will be free after rebate. I already had an iPod so I sold it for cash on CL.

If you are content working on some thick, heavy, slow PC loaded with bloat ware, spyware and viruses, go ahead. Do yourself a favor and at least install Windows 7 or Ubuntu linux.

How is it that none of my PCs have any viruses, spyware, or whatever the hell bloatware is? It's not that hard to avoid clicking on the "punch the monkey" ads or "click here for a free ipod."

It amazes me how people think macs are just the most incredible, life changing purchase that can be made. It's a computer. I think a yo-yo would change my life more, since I'd learn a new trick.

Please give me an example of how it removes barriers from my life. Seriously. Sounds like something you'd hear from visiting a Scientology church.

They make nice products, but I think people have to be real idiots to think that PCs are just so much slower and bloated. If that makes you feel like a better person, kudos. But don't spill your koolaide on everyone else.

And if you are convinced that rebates are not always pain free, why are you so effin' mad?

[MJZiggy]

I already have and I'm not out $250. How much is that compared to the cost of an iPod again?

*Sigh*. Dealing with you is just painful. You don't use your head.

I will get my rebate, it is just a matter of getting on the horn with the right people. Are you honestly telling me you've never had any issues with rebates or haven't heard of this happening to anyone ever? If so, I envy you.

That said, iPod will be free after rebate. I already had an iPod so I sold it for cash on CL.

If you are content working on some thick, heavy, slow PC loaded with bloat ware, spyware and viruses, go ahead. Do yourself a favor and at least install Windows 7 or Ubuntu linux.

Big surprise. The Windows 7 upgrade came free with the computer. My computer is neither slow nor heavy and, oh look! came with the numeric keypad I never thought I'd find on a laptop. Actually, no, I've never had an issue with a rebate. You send the form, they send the check. It's pretty simple, really. Most good companies honor their rebate offers.

[Partial]

I already have and I'm not out $250. How much is that compared to the cost of an iPod again?

*Sigh*. Dealing with you is just painful. You don't use your head.

I will get my rebate, it is just a matter of getting on the horn with the right people. Are you honestly telling me you've never had any issues with rebates or haven't heard of this happening to anyone ever? If so, I envy you.

That said, iPod will be free after rebate. I already had an iPod so I sold it for cash on CL.

If you are content working on some thick, heavy, slow PC loaded with bloat ware, spyware and viruses, go ahead. Do yourself a favor and at least install Windows 7 or Ubuntu linux.

How is it that none of my PCs have any viruses, spyware, or whatever the hell bloatware is? It's not that hard to avoid clicking on the "punch the monkey" ads or "click here for a free ipod."

It amazes me how people think macs are just the most incredible, life changing purchase that can be made. It's a computer. I think a yo-yo would change my life more, since I'd learn a new trick.

Please give me an example of how it removes barriers from my life. Seriously. Sounds like something you'd hear from visiting a Scientology church.

They make nice products, but I think people have to be real idiots to think that PCs are just so much slower and bloated. If that makes you feel like a better person, kudos. But don't spill your koolaide on everyone else.

And if you are convinced that rebates are not always pain free, why are you so effin' mad?

Do you ever have to dilly dally with drivers of any sort on a PC? I have never on a Mac. I plug in my component and it works. I've seen you reformat a computer many times. How many hours of your life have you spent tinkering? Probably 50-100. Assuming you time is worth 100 dollars an hour, that is 5000 to 10000 dollars out of your pocket that simply owning a Mac you would never have to do.

I do agree that for a technophile such as you or I the experience of fine tuning a PC can be somewhat enjoyable, so it's not as black and white. I imagine it is hell for your typical user, though.

Some gripes on my end: Without installing cygwin (which is a pain in the ass from behind a proxy, btw, it took me awhile to figure it out), I can't even freaking grep. I use ps -ef | grep 'whatever I'm searching for' like 5 times a day. Why does Windows not have a similar utility built in by default? Good grief, it's not the 1980s anymore.

PCs are typically slower. Not from a hardware standpoint, but definitely from a software standpoint. From an OS standpoint, I think you and I can both agree that posix systems have a far superior level of memory management. Much more efficient at caching and using the resources available.

Go buy a new HP from Best Buy and look at all the crap pre-installed, set-up to run on boot. Look at all the shitty software they're paid to install to keep the price of the machine low. All the freaking shitty media players, disc writers, etc.

If you want to start with a fresh install from Dell for example, instead of a machine loaded with a bunch of shit, you have to pay an extra 50 dollars I'm pretty sure.

I fixed a gals Acer this summer because it took a Vista laptop over 3 minutes to boot into a useable state. My Mac? About 30 seconds. Imagine this happening every time you close the freaking the laptop. Wow. Not only that, just from a useability of the hardware standpoint, it was like comparing a chevy cavalier to an iron man audi. And that's completely disregarding speed. The keyboard sucked, the trackpad sucked (and the little scrolly thing didn't even work), it was a gigantic 15" screen with a 1280x800 res (aka extremely low DPI). You get what you pay for with that Acer shit and it was horrible. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

I'm mad because things like this don't happen to me. I'm a straight shooter who lives a very good life. I play by the rules and do not like to have to fuck around. Some DFI kid at the Apple store rang me up wrong and as a result I've had to dilly dally with a bunch of shit to get the rebate. I've done it two other times in the past with the same promotion and it was always pain free.

Macs are clearly a superior experience in my opinion and clearly in the general publics eye. That is why their market share is exploding and they're putting up record sales quarter after quarter. Can you honestly not tell me that you don't love how fine tuned your iPhone is? They're INCREDIBLE phones that nothing comes close to touching in terms of quality of the package. The refinement is what they're all about.

The only complaint about them that I've ever heard from anyone is AT&T related, never anything from the Apple end. The problem with them going with a carrier like Verizon is that Verizon is a control freak and wouldn't give Apple complete control over their package (ie. Having to buy music from the Verizon store instead of the iTunes music store, no visual voicemail, etc).

I love my MacBook Pro because it's an incredible machine. It is machined from a single piece of aluminum so it is built like a tank. Way nicer to carry, touch and has an overall way more solid feel than your typical notebook, even the higher end ones.

The keyboard is light years better than your typical PC. I don't think I've ever used a better mobile keyboard. At first I wasn't a fan of the chicklet keys but they have the perfect feel.

The Trackpad gets rid of those pesky small ass buttons that always management to click themselves when you're laying in bed working on the computer. Not only that, but I don't have to find some tiny line to scroll up and down. I can just drag two fingers wherever I want.

I HATE HATE HATE the new expose in Snow Leopard and believe it gets away from the core value of providing a productivity driven interface. It resizes all of your windows into a grid, versus keeping everything the same size and showing them all. Without having a reference to the size of the window it loses most of its value and it pisses me off. This is something that I literally use hundreds of times a day.

The typical person uses a computer for 8-10 hours a day. When you're spending that much time on it, anything you can do to improve the experience makes it a much more pleasant experience.

[Partial]

I already have and I'm not out $250. How much is that compared to the cost of an iPod again?

*Sigh*. Dealing with you is just painful. You don't use your head.

I will get my rebate, it is just a matter of getting on the horn with the right people. Are you honestly telling me you've never had any issues with rebates or haven't heard of this happening to anyone ever? If so, I envy you.

That said, iPod will be free after rebate. I already had an iPod so I sold it for cash on CL.

If you are content working on some thick, heavy, slow PC loaded with bloat ware, spyware and viruses, go ahead. Do yourself a favor and at least install Windows 7 or Ubuntu linux.

Big surprise. The Windows 7 upgrade came free with the computer. My computer is neither slow nor heavy and, oh look! came with the numeric keypad I never thought I'd find on a laptop. Actually, no, I've never had an issue with a rebate. You send the form, they send the check. It's pretty simple, really. Most good companies honor their rebate offers.

Good, I would install Windows 7 right away as it is light years better.

The problem? You need to completely reformat your computer and lose all your data to do it. How fucking dumb was that on their part? With an Apple, you haven't had to lose your data in 9 years.

You bought a 17" laptop with a keypad? Wow, perhaps that fits your needs better than mine but I cannot think of a single use case where I would enjoy that. It is just way too big. If you use it exclusively as a desktop replacement, than maybe, I guess, but the point of a notebook is to be mobile, not tied to a desk.

I'm personally hoping Apple comes out with an 11" MacBook Pro. The 13" is even a bit big from a mobility standpoint.

[Scott Campbell]

I read that Windows 7 could reliably be upgraded from Vista without a fresh install. And most PC makers are partitioning hard drives so that you don't lose all your data on a fresh install.

[Scott Campbell]

Do you ever have to dilly dally with drivers of any sort on a PC? I have never on a Mac. I plug in my component and it works. I've seen you reformat a computer many times. How many hours of your life have you spent tinkering? Probably 50-100. Assuming you time is worth 100 dollars an hour, that is 5000 to 10000 dollars out of your pocket that simply owning a Mac you would never have to do.


Have you ever had to dilly dally with a rebate on your Mac? :lol:

[pasquale]

I already have and I'm not out $250. How much is that compared to the cost of an iPod again?

*Sigh*. Dealing with you is just painful. You don't use your head.

I will get my rebate, it is just a matter of getting on the horn with the right people. Are you honestly telling me you've never had any issues with rebates or haven't heard of this happening to anyone ever? If so, I envy you.

That said, iPod will be free after rebate. I already had an iPod so I sold it for cash on CL.

If you are content working on some thick, heavy, slow PC loaded with bloat ware, spyware and viruses, go ahead. Do yourself a favor and at least install Windows 7 or Ubuntu linux.

How is it that none of my PCs have any viruses, spyware, or whatever the hell bloatware is? It's not that hard to avoid clicking on the "punch the monkey" ads or "click here for a free ipod."

It amazes me how people think macs are just the most incredible, life changing purchase that can be made. It's a computer. I think a yo-yo would change my life more, since I'd learn a new trick.

Please give me an example of how it removes barriers from my life. Seriously. Sounds like something you'd hear from visiting a Scientology church.

They make nice products, but I think people have to be real idiots to think that PCs are just so much slower and bloated. If that makes you feel like a better person, kudos. But don't spill your koolaide on everyone else.

And if you are convinced that rebates are not always pain free, why are you so effin' mad?

Do you ever have to dilly dally with drivers of any sort on a PC? I have never on a Mac. I plug in my component and it works. I've seen you reformat a computer many times. How many hours of your life have you spent tinkering? Probably 50-100. Assuming you time is worth 100 dollars an hour, that is 5000 to 10000 dollars out of your pocket that simply owning a Mac you would never have to do.

I do agree that for a technophile such as you or I the experience of fine tuning a PC can be somewhat enjoyable, so it's not as black and white. I imagine it is hell for your typical user, though.

Some gripes on my end: Without installing cygwin (which is a pain in the ass from behind a proxy, btw, it took me awhile to figure it out), I can't even freaking grep. I use ps -ef | grep 'whatever I'm searching for' like 5 times a day. Why does Windows not have a similar utility built in by default? Good grief, it's not the 1980s anymore.

PCs are typically slower. Not from a hardware standpoint, but definitely from a software standpoint. From an OS standpoint, I think you and I can both agree that posix systems have a far superior level of memory management. Much more efficient at caching and using the resources available.

Go buy a new HP from Best Buy and look at all the crap pre-installed, set-up to run on boot. Look at all the shitty software they're paid to install to keep the price of the machine low. All the freaking shitty media players, disc writers, etc.

If you want to start with a fresh install from Dell for example, instead of a machine loaded with a bunch of shit, you have to pay an extra 50 dollars I'm pretty sure.

I fixed a gals Acer this summer because it took a Vista laptop over 3 minutes to boot into a useable state. My Mac? About 30 seconds. Imagine this happening every time you close the freaking the laptop. Wow. Not only that, just from a useability of the hardware standpoint, it was like comparing a chevy cavalier to an iron man audi. And that's completely disregarding speed. The keyboard sucked, the trackpad sucked (and the little scrolly thing didn't even work), it was a gigantic 15" screen with a 1280x800 res (aka extremely low DPI). You get what you pay for with that Acer shit and it was horrible. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

I'm mad because things like this don't happen to me. I'm a straight shooter who lives a very good life. I play by the rules and do not like to have to fuck around. Some DFI kid at the Apple store rang me up wrong and as a result I've had to dilly dally with a bunch of shit to get the rebate. I've done it two other times in the past with the same promotion and it was always pain free.

Macs are clearly a superior experience in my opinion and clearly in the general publics eye. That is why their market share is exploding and they're putting up record sales quarter after quarter. Can you honestly not tell me that you don't love how fine tuned your iPhone is? They're INCREDIBLE phones that nothing comes close to touching in terms of quality of the package. The refinement is what they're all about.

The only complaint about them that I've ever heard from anyone is AT&T related, never anything from the Apple end. The problem with them going with a carrier like Verizon is that Verizon is a control freak and wouldn't give Apple complete control over their package (ie. Having to buy music from the Verizon store instead of the iTunes music store, no visual voicemail, etc).

I love my MacBook Pro because it's an incredible machine. It is machined from a single piece of aluminum so it is built like a tank. Way nicer to carry, touch and has an overall way more solid feel than your typical notebook, even the higher end ones.

The keyboard is light years better than your typical PC. I don't think I've ever used a better mobile keyboard. At first I wasn't a fan of the chicklet keys but they have the perfect feel.

The Trackpad gets rid of those pesky small ass buttons that always management to click themselves when you're laying in bed working on the computer. Not only that, but I don't have to find some tiny line to scroll up and down. I can just drag two fingers wherever I want.

I HATE HATE HATE the new expose in Snow Leopard and believe it gets away from the core value of providing a productivity driven interface. It resizes all of your windows into a grid, versus keeping everything the same size and showing them all. Without having a reference to the size of the window it loses most of its value and it pisses me off. This is something that I literally use hundreds of times a day.

The typical person uses a computer for 8-10 hours a day. When you're spending that much time on it, anything you can do to improve the experience makes it a much more pleasant experience.

My reformatting over the years is based on me messing things up in linux. Gentoo is a horribly unstable OS, but I love it.

My iPhone is not a computer. I do agree that I love it, but again, you are GENERALIZING. Not all people have the same experiences with both systems, so don't make it that way.

And you missed my point, people who don't know any better have terrible windows experiences - I agree on that. But for people like us that know wtf is going on, I have a hard time when people say I'm just wasting my time with Windows. For most people it's probably true, for me, it's ridiculous.

Grep is available on windows, and god forbid I have to spend <2mins to install it.

That being said, Vista can go fuck itself in the face, because once that word pops up, I agree that any OSx vs Vista argument is useless. OSx hands down. I really don't even like Windows, and I'm not defending it, but I do think people worship Macs and give them too much credit. It does not, change your life.

I wonder if insurance companies document buying a mac as a life changing event...

[pasquale]

And messing with drivers? meh, a bit. Most mobo companies make it really easy to get what you need, so it's been a while since I've really had to dig for stuff. Keep in mind that anyone can make hardware for windows.

But since mac is the only company to oversee their hardware to run their OS, I would sure hope that they can get their drivers straight.

[SkinBasket]

And messing with drivers? meh, a bit. Most mobo companies make it really easy to get what you need, so it's been a while since I've really had to dig for stuff. Keep in mind that anyone can make hardware for windows.

But since mac is the only company to oversee their hardware to run their OS, I would sure hope that they can get their drivers straight.

I was thinking the same thing. Been over 5 years since I had to download or even worry about drivers. Oh, the painful cost of diversity and cost intelligent components!!

[Partial]

I read that Windows 7 could reliably be upgraded from Vista without a fresh install. And most PC makers are partitioning hard drives so that you don't lose all your data on a fresh install.

I've read that you cannot. For users sake, I hope I read wrong.

[Partial]

And messing with drivers? meh, a bit. Most mobo companies make it really easy to get what you need, so it's been a while since I've really had to dig for stuff. Keep in mind that anyone can make hardware for windows.

But since mac is the only company to oversee their hardware to run their OS, I would sure hope that they can get their drivers straight.

I agree with this, but we're tech savvy people. I also agree that tech savy peeps will have a fine time on Windows. Most adults are not tech savvy. Take a situation, for example.

Sally Martenson reformats to install Win7. She needs to install laptop drivers, but doesn't even know what that is. Her trackpad and keyboard don't work by default.

She's going to think Win7 broke her computer. She isn't going to realize she needs to go to the manufacturers website and download new drivers to install.

This happened with my work laptop, an IBM thinkpad, so this is a realistic situation that people will encounter and not know how to handle.

[Zool]

I really don't even like Windows, and I'm not defending it, but I do think people worship Macs and give them too much credit. It does not, change your life.

THIS! Apple can do wrong. I've seen it happen.

I've actually flopped my hackintosh lappy over to Windows 7 to try it out. I got ahold of a RTM version. I installed it and havent messed with a single thing since. I had Vista on this same lappy for about 6.5 minutes. I used to think that Windows ME was the worst OS ever...how wrong I was.

[red]

yeah, vista is horrible

os should make your life easier, not be the main star of the show and hog all your memory

i'll be getting a new laptop soon with windows 7

if it doesn't suck horribly

[Partial]

I really don't even like Windows, and I'm not defending it, but I do think people worship Macs and give them too much credit. It does not, change your life.

THIS! Apple can do wrong. I've seen it happen.

I've actually flopped my hackintosh lappy over to Windows 7 to try it out. I got ahold of a RTM version. I installed it and havent messed with a single thing since. I had Vista on this same lappy for about 6.5 minutes. I used to think that Windows ME was the worst OS ever...how wrong I was.

How does the hackintosh laptop work? I find it to be a very tight experience with the desktop (especially with the logitech mx510 side buttons for expose) but I cannot imagine it going smoothly on a laptop because of the trackpad limitations, etc.

[Zool]

I really don't even like Windows, and I'm not defending it, but I do think people worship Macs and give them too much credit. It does not, change your life.

THIS! Apple can do wrong. I've seen it happen.

I've actually flopped my hackintosh lappy over to Windows 7 to try it out. I got ahold of a RTM version. I installed it and havent messed with a single thing since. I had Vista on this same lappy for about 6.5 minutes. I used to think that Windows ME was the worst OS ever...how wrong I was.

How does the hackintosh laptop work? I find it to be a very tight experience with the desktop (especially with the logitech mx510 side buttons for expose) but I cannot imagine it going smoothly on a laptop because of the trackpad limitations, etc.

Cant use the double finger scroll and the FSB drivers were a lot harder to get working. The desktop was a breeze but the laptop was not so much. The vid was a little flakey too so I went with 7.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Market share exploding. :lol:

[Freak Out]

Worse than ME.... :lol:

Vista is ok once you get the settings right.

I'm a fucking hardware geek so I'm upgrading and building rigs all the time it seems....dealing with drivers is just....normal. :)

I've been running the last W7 RC for months now non stop and have had ZERO problems. I update an ATI driver when released and that's it.

I have an older Macbook and may buy a pro now just for running Adobe aps....you are almost forced to go pro now after the latest neutering Apple did on the Macbook.

Nothings perfect....Snow Kitty has issues just like any other OS and the hardware Apple uses is not immune to failures and problems.

[Partial]

Worse than ME.... :lol:

Vista is ok once you get the settings right.

I'm a fucking hardware geek so I'm upgrading and building rigs all the time it seems....dealing with drivers is just....normal. :)

I've been running the last W7 RC for months now non stop and have had ZERO problems. I update an ATI driver when released and that's it.

I have an older Macbook and may buy a pro now just for running Adobe aps....you are almost forced to go pro now after the latest neutering Apple did on the Macbook.

Nothings perfect....Snow Kitty has issues just like any other OS and the hardware Apple uses is not immune to failures and problems.

What apps require discrete graphics? Adobe CS as I understand it is mostly CPU intensive not so much 3d graphics.

[Freak Out]

Worse than ME.... :lol:

Vista is ok once you get the settings right.

I'm a fucking hardware geek so I'm upgrading and building rigs all the time it seems....dealing with drivers is just....normal. :)

I've been running the last W7 RC for months now non stop and have had ZERO problems. I update an ATI driver when released and that's it.

I have an older Macbook and may buy a pro now just for running Adobe aps....you are almost forced to go pro now after the latest neutering Apple did on the Macbook.

Nothings perfect....Snow Kitty has issues just like any other OS and the hardware Apple uses is not immune to failures and problems.

What apps require discrete graphics? Adobe CS as I understand it is mostly CPU intensive not so much 3d graphics.

None require it as far as I know.....I just like how the software /feels and runs on OSX/Intel machines better.

Apple removed the firewire port and the SD card slot from the macbook on this last update. Not a biggy to some but I like a built in memory card slot.

[Partial]

Worse than ME.... :lol:

Vista is ok once you get the settings right.

I'm a fucking hardware geek so I'm upgrading and building rigs all the time it seems....dealing with drivers is just....normal. :)

I've been running the last W7 RC for months now non stop and have had ZERO problems. I update an ATI driver when released and that's it.

I have an older Macbook and may buy a pro now just for running Adobe aps....you are almost forced to go pro now after the latest neutering Apple did on the Macbook.

Nothings perfect....Snow Kitty has issues just like any other OS and the hardware Apple uses is not immune to failures and problems.

What apps require discrete graphics? Adobe CS as I understand it is mostly CPU intensive not so much 3d graphics.

None require it as far as I know.....I just like how the software /feels and runs on OSX/Intel machines better.

How did Apple neuter the MacBook, then, in a way that it affects Adobe CS?

Snow Leopard does have a lot of issues so far from what I'm hearing but I haven't seen any surface. I really, really, really, really, really hate the new expose, though.

I agree on the firewire. I don't know what they were thinking. Target disk mode is freaking awesome and the envy of PC users everywhere, and then again it F's over the casual user who wants to use an older DV camcorder. I don't so much care about the SD card slot but I can see where someone would want one.

[Freak Out]

You were faster than my edit ya fucker. :lol:

[Partial]

I addressed it, no worries.

[Freak Out]

Partial you are in inviso super mac mode or something.....I don't even see you in the forum and your posting faster than I can page scroll.......DAMN PC!

[MJZiggy]

Partial you are in inviso super mac mode or something.....I don't even see you in the forum and your posting faster than I can page scroll.......DAMN PC!

I know the P stands for Partial, what's the C stand for? :taunt:

[Partial]

Apple has stepped up and mailed me a check for 229.99 plus a 50 dollar gift card for my troubles. Boom.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Apple has stepped up and mailed me a check for 229.99 plus a 50 dollar gift card for my troubles. Boom.

You don't even have a Mac.

[Partial]

Apple has stepped up and mailed me a check for 229.99 plus a 50 dollar gift card for my troubles. Boom.

You don't even have a Mac.

I don't know what to say to this.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Apple has stepped up and mailed me a check for 229.99 plus a 50 dollar gift card for my troubles. Boom.

You don't even have a Mac.

I don't know what to say to this.

Post a pic of the check and 50 bean gift card.

[Partial]

Apple has stepped up and mailed me a check for 229.99 plus a 50 dollar gift card for my troubles. Boom.

You don't even have a Mac.

I don't know what to say to this.

Post a pic of the check and 50 bean gift card.

I don't have them yet. I just talked to them on the phone moments before posting it.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Apple has stepped up and mailed me a check for 229.99 plus a 50 dollar gift card for my troubles. Boom.

You don't even have a Mac.

I don't know what to say to this.

Post a pic of the check and 50 bean gift card.

I don't have them yet. I just talked to them on the phone moments before posting it.

Funny, how you wrote in past tense for an action that was happening today.

Just show us a pic of your phone with a timestamp of your call to Apple.

[Scott Campbell]

I believe ya P.

[retailguy]

I believe ya P.

suck up.

[Scott Campbell]

I believe ya P.

suck up.

Bite me.

[retailguy]

I believe ya P.

suck up.

Bite me.

you can't make this shit up.

http://www.bitememagazine.com/

[Mr. T]

The Dells he recommended. I'm wondering if they're backward compatible.
I've had three Dell Laptops. All were refurbs. All had screen issues after one year. I fixed them. They came back again. As I type this I'm looking at 3 vertical blue lines. Annoying.

On all three, the stock hard drive crashed after 2 years. Replaced with after-market, no issues.

IMO, a Laptop is over-priced to begin with. If you are going to buy one, make sure you can get 4 - 6 years out of it without major issues.

[Zool]

The Dells he recommended. I'm wondering if they're backward compatible.
I've had three Dell Laptops. All were refurbs. All had screen issues after one year. I fixed them. They came back again. As I type this I'm looking at 3 vertical blue lines. Annoying.

On all three, the stock hard drive crashed after 2 years. Replaced with after-market, no issues.

IMO, a Laptop is over-priced to begin with. If you are going to buy one, make sure you can get 4 - 6 years out of it without major issues.

I usually but a laptop with the intention of selling it after 2 years to recoup some of the cost.

[Partial]

The Dells he recommended. I'm wondering if they're backward compatible.
I've had three Dell Laptops. All were refurbs. All had screen issues after one year. I fixed them. They came back again. As I type this I'm looking at 3 vertical blue lines. Annoying.

On all three, the stock hard drive crashed after 2 years. Replaced with after-market, no issues.

IMO, a Laptop is over-priced to begin with. If you are going to buy one, make sure you can get 4 - 6 years out of it without major issues.

I usually but a laptop with the intention of selling it after 2 years to recoup some of the cost.

Same here, except on one year. In college with the free iPod thing from Apple it was possible to break even if not come out ahead annually. Student discount + free iPod (flipped for cash) all on CL.

For the 99% of things Apple does really well, they cannot make a mouse. The Mighty Mouse sucks and the new mouse they put out also sucks I hear. Logitech Mx510 for the victory.

[Freak Out]

I have two Dell laptops, one a 17 inspiron and the other a 14 latitude....both have functioned flawlessly for three years now. I had an HP laptop and the screen died right after warranty and the macbook my wife uses has started to crack in certain areas after a year and a half....still works though.

I also have a thinkpad that's 7-8 years old and the sucker is bombproof. Running Ubuntu on it now.