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pbmax
07-12-2009, 10:19 AM
Via PFT/Florio from the Chicago Sun-Times about KC Joyner chat: (http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/07/21_days_to_camp_cutlers_risk_t.html)

"You know what really bothers me about Cutler? The idea that fans can't comment on him in a non-emotional manner. Every Bears fan thinks he is the next coming of Jim McMahon. When I point out that he has performance issues and that Grossman had those same issues, they just go overboard instead of saying, `Hey, that's a good point, can he improve in that area?'

"I'm basing my Cutler comments on three seasons of Denver tape breakdowns. He's a huge risk-taker and that equates to about 1 in 20 of his passes being an [interception] or near [interception] because of a mistake on his part. He'll win games in the Windy City and when he does, I'll hear it from Bears fans. I just want to hear from those same fans when his risk-taking costs the team a big game and I'll all but guarantee that will happen.''
Sounds like they are describing someone else. Joyner's chat transcript is here (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/27363).

And if the Gunslinger's shoe being on the other foot is not unsettling enough for you, here is a quote pulled by the Sun-Times from Joyner's chat discussing Matt Forte:

"Forte will be this generation's Brian Westbrook,'' Joyner said. "He'll have a great year no matter who is behind center for Chicago."

packrulz
07-12-2009, 10:38 AM
I hate the Bears and I think Cutler is overrated but I think Forte is very good, not as good as Westbrook, but he is good.

Bossman641
07-12-2009, 11:28 AM
Bear fans go overboard on all their players. It lasts for about a season or until the entire fanbase turns against them.

pbmax
07-12-2009, 11:33 AM
Defense was the Packers forte (pun unintended, but enjoyed) through the early Favre years, until the second Super Bowl run. But Cutler may be ahead of Favre at this point in his career. This is not to say Cutler has the same ceiling nor the same coaching. Indeed, if there was a better offensive coach in the league than Holmgren over the past decade plus, it was Shanahan. I am not sure the Bear's have anything close to that on staff.

Cutler
___Year___G____GS___Cmp___Att____Cmp%___Yds____TD_ __TD%___Int___Int%___Y/A___AY/A___Y/C____Y/G_____Rate___Sk___Yds
___2007___16___16___297___467____63.6___3497___20_ __4.3___14____3.0____7.5____6.6___11.8___218.6___8 8.1___27___153
___2008___16___16___384___616____62.3___4526___25_ __4.1___18____2.9____7.3____6.4___11.8___282.9___8 6.0___11___69
___Tot2___32___32___681___1083___62.9___8023___45_ __4.2___32____3.0____7.4____6.5___11.8___250.7___8 6.9___38___222

Favre
___1992___15___13___302___471____64.1___3227___18_ __3.8___13____2.8____6.9____6.0___10.7___215.1___8 5.3___34___208
___1993___16___16___318___522____60.9___3303___19_ __3.6___24____4.6____6.3____4.6___10.4___206.4___7 2.2___30___199
___Tot2___31___29___620___993____62.4___6530___37_ __3.7___37____3.7____6.5____5.3___10.5___210.6___7 8.4___64___407