Official Packers/Browns Thread (Preseason Ver)

[pbmax]

Brady Quinn is starting. Let the complaining about the Harrell draft pick commence!

[MJZiggy]

What time does the crap end and the game start? I'm watching the Browns feed here....

[red]

should start in 3 minutes

is harrell playing tonight, or is he out with an injured hair root?

[Farley Face]

should start in 3 minutes

is harrell playing tonight, or is he out with an injured hair root?

The following Packers players will not play in tonight's game:

21 CB Charles Woodson
22 CB Pat Lee
31 CB Al Harris
52 LB Clay Matthews
56 LB Nick Barnett
59 LB Brad Jones
90 NT B.J. Raji
91 DE Justin Harrell
99 LB Jeremy Thompson

Starting Lineup Changes:
On defense, Will Blackmon (#27) will start at LCB for Charles Woodson (21). Tramon Williams (38) will start at RCB for Al Harris (31). Michael Montgomery (96) will start at LDE for Johnny Jolly (97).

[pbmax]

Inactives:

Charles Woodson
Pat Lee
Al Harris
Clay Matthews
Nick Barnett
Brad Jones
B.J. Raji
Justin Harrell
Jeremy Thompson

[pbmax]

I could have included the Uniform numbers if it was that important to me. :(

[red]

whats wrong with mathews and thompson? i was looking forward to seeing those 2

[pbmax]

Matthews hammy is acting up again. Thompson has stingers.

[red]

omg, bernie kosar looks like he's in rough shape

[pbmax]

omg, bernie kosar looks like he's in rough shape
Where was he?

[pbmax]

Someone with a missed block right off the bat.

Spitz at Guard, Wells at center

[red]

omg, bernie kosar looks like he's in rough shape
Where was he?

i'm watching the browns feed on justin tv, no packer feed

he looks fat drunk and stupid

[pbmax]

Nice run blocking for 14 yards.

[pbmax]

Two less than stellar throws. One was off a bad snap.

[MJZiggy]

DAMN I MISSED FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pbmax]

Sweet movement in pocket by ARod, bought just enough time and great pass blocking

[red]

DAMN I MISSED FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you got that right ziggy

[rdanomly]

It sounds like a good drive. Can't wait to see how the new D starts out.

[pbmax]

Rodgers just throws a nice deep ball.

[red]

nice!!!!!!!!!!!

[pbmax]

Capers and Defense are up next.

[red]

well, here we go

it all comes down to this

LETS SEE THAT NEW D

[rbaloha1]

BEAUTIFUL. It was nice to see Rodgers step up in the pocket and keep eyes downfield.

[packerbacker1234]

Nice throw, Good move by Driver. He still has it, gotta love Double D.

[pbmax]

ROLB lost contain.

[red]

well theres some nice fight out of the special teams

[pbmax]

Sorry Red, I think your feed is running behind my TV. Please ignore my spoilers.

[pbmax]

That blitz looked familiar. :(

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ROLB and RDE missing again. Safety bit too.

[red]

thats fine, the feed is about 5 minutes behind

spoilers welcome

[pbmax]

AK with pressure.

[Gunakor]

-1 for Collins, that's ultimately his responsibility. He should know better by now.

[pbmax]

Then AK whiffs a tackle on Lewis.

[red]

thats what i'm scared of, kampman covering fast WR's

that can't happen

[pbmax]

Pickett is getting a lot of movement in the front. Hope he is not jumping gaps.

[pbmax]

thats what i'm scared of, kampman covering fast WR's

that can't happen
That was a run. He had him.

[red]

and thats what i want to see, kampman unblocked killing the qb

[pbmax]

Browns must go back to Orange pants. The Brown is not slimming enough to make up for the fact that it looks terrible.

Nice of them to take 3 points off the board with a holding call.

[rdanomly]

ROLB and RDE missing again. Safety bit too.

Any idea of who's been playing on the right side mostly?

[Gunakor]

ROLB and RDE missing again. Safety bit too.

Any idea of who's been playing on the right side mostly?

Pop and Collins, haven't noticed who's playing RDE though. Harrell and Jolly are out, Raji isn't being used today. Jenkins is on the left, not sure who's on the right.

[pbmax]

ROLB and RDE missing again. Safety bit too.

Any idea of who's been playing on the right side mostly?

Poppinga and Jolly I think. Maybe Montgomery at end.

[Gunakor]

ROLB and RDE missing again. Safety bit too.

Any idea of who's been playing on the right side mostly?

Poppinga and Jolly I think. Maybe Montgomery at end.

I think they said Jolly is out of today's game, at least that's what I was hearing this morning

[pbmax]

Sitton SPitz in on second series

[Pugger]

Say, is Cory Williams playing tonight?

[pbmax]

If Monty is in for Jolly (and I have seen Monty out there) then RDE is a mystery.

[pbmax]

TD on a run wide left. Cliffy held his block well. Finley had a nice block as well.

[rbaloha1]

Wonderful execution. Barbre is good in the running game but sofar lackluster in pass protection. Maybe a better guard.

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http://www.justin.tv/mikeplace5

^^^ good feed

Lee looks lean, fast and athletic ... A-Rod looks like A-Rod ...

[MJZiggy]

Now I want Subway. Oh. Dinner. That's why.

[woodbuck27]

WOW! Another very long off season is finally and officially over.

Looks like the first Aaron Rodgers completion of note was to our veteren Donald Driver. GREAT! I began pulling for him as soon as he was drafted in the 7th round what?. . . about a decade ago.

GO PACKERS!

[MJZiggy]

WOOOO HOOOOOO!!!!

[red]

so far so good for the offense

[pbmax]

Jenkins is at Right Defensive End.

[pbmax]

I think Rodger might eventually make a good QB in this league.

[pittstang5]

http://www.justin.tv/mikeplace5

^^^ good feed

Lee looks lean, fast and athletic ... A-Rod looks like A-Rod ...

Good as in works? THat's what I'm watching and this feed sucks! but it's better than nothing.

[pbmax]

Jolly just strung out a sweep, very nice play.

[woodbuck27]

I hope you fellas see the Packers 'D' really pursueing the ball and tackling with some mustard. See some run stopping ability as well.

Last night of the International Fireworks display here in Montreal. I'm outta here and back later to review this thread.

Have fun.

GO PACK GO!

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http://www.justin.tv/mikeplace5

^^^ good feed

Lee looks lean, fast and athletic ... A-Rod looks like A-Rod ...

Good as in works? THat's what I'm watching and this feed sucks! but it's better than nothing.

Yes, as in works. Last year all the streams would buffer every 2 seconds. It's about 93% continuous. lol

That third down stop was great. 2 down line man.. AK standing up ... defensive contain. Go D!

[rbaloha1]

http://www.p2p4u.net/watch-live-sports.php?id=4090&link=1

bigger picture

[pbmax]

Moll is at Left Tackle, Lang at Right Tackle

[MTPackerfan]

http://www.justin.tv/mikeplace5

^^^ good feed

Lee looks lean, fast and athletic ... A-Rod looks like A-Rod ...

thanks for the link! :D

[pbmax]

Other than an unnecessary timeout, Packers have been pretty clean.

[pbmax]

Flynn channels Favre, catches batted pass, gains five yards.

[pbmax]

BJackson pulls the disappearing RB trick, runs into a pile, can see nothing, explodes out to the right.

[pbmax]

TV guys are full of it. Lang is at Left Guard. Sitton at RG. Barbre at RT. Moll at LT.

[pittstang5]

http://www.p2p4u.net/watch-live-sports.php?id=4090&link=1

bigger picture

A little better...guess I'm so used to HD on my big screen (lol)

THanks again

[pbmax]

Moll just got worked in pass pro.

Wells at center.

[pbmax]

DeShawn Wynn in for 3rd and long, max protect with TE, Flynn holds it too long and gets sacked.

60 yd FG att

[pbmax]

If Ryan Longwell had been the kicker for McCarthy for four seasons, Longwell would be plotting a homicide. He just throws the kicker out there for some ridiculous attempts.

[OkayKyle]

Man... How comfortable does Rodgers look. He has always had a strong arm coming out of college, but he has looked much better than anticipated - especially being a Tedford product. How much of that do you think is attributed to him sitting for 3 years with no pressure?

[rbaloha1]

flynn=hasselbeck -- a future #1

[pbmax]

Lasagna and Bishop are ILBs.

[pittstang5]

Man... How comfortable does Rodgers look. He has always had a strong arm coming out of college, but he has looked much better than anticipated - especially being a Tedford product. How much of that do you think is attributed to him sitting for 3 years with no pressure?

How much of that do you think is from McCarthy? I think alot.

[pbmax]

Blitzer got home and D intercepts ball. TWill with INT. Bishop got the heat.

[pittstang5]

flynn=hasselbeck -- a future #1

WOW...BOLD!

I wouldn't say that yet.

[pbmax]

Man... How comfortable does Rodgers look. He has always had a strong arm coming out of college, but he has looked much better than anticipated - especially being a Tedford product. How much of that do you think is attributed to him sitting for 3 years with no pressure?

How much of that do you think is from McCarthy? I think alot.
He looks much more comfortable in the pocket than last year. Nice to see.

[pbmax]

Wynn and Q Johnson in the backfield.

[pbmax]

Preston at center. Martin in at WR. Swain in as well.

[pittstang5]

Blitzer got home and D intercepts ball. TWill with INT. Bishop got the heat.


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Bishop playing Inside?

[pbmax]

Corey Williams got no pressure against the 2s.

how long has it been since the Packer backup O Lineman have won the battle of 2s in a preseason game?

[pbmax]

Blitzer got home and D intercepts ball. TWill with INT. Bishop got the heat.


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Bishop playing Inside?

Yep. he and Lasagna.

[pbmax]

Wynn missed a blitz pickup and Flynn still got the completion.

[MJZiggy]

Flynn had enough time to write to his mama on that last play. I like it.

[packerbacker1234]

I gotta say, Flynn is impressing me.

[pittstang5]

Flynn had enough time to write to his mama on that last play. I like it.

Yep. too bad the 2nd string o-line doesn't seem to be run blocking very well.

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not much to complain about in the first half

[bigcoz75]

Crosby 0-2 all be it from 60 and 55

[pbmax]

Flynn had enough time to write to his mama on that last play. I like it.

Yep. too bad the 2nd string o-line doesn't seem to be run blocking very well.
They had a couple of runs, but did whiff some assignments. Not entirely clean.

[pbmax]

That was a blitz that did not get home. And Anthony Smith confirms his reputation of a 5 cent head.

[bigcoz75]

Jolly's looking good.

[bigcoz75]

That was a blitz that did not get home. And Anthony Smith confirms his reputation of a 5 cent head.

Nice INT in the end zone though!

[pbmax]

Nice pressure and INT Anthony Smith. Nice job of confusing the blocking of teh Browns. 6 guys milling around and sent four.

[pittstang5]

That was a blitz that did not get home. And Anthony Smith confirms his reputation of a 5 cent head.

Nice INT in the end zone though!

WHAT!?!?!

[pittstang5]

That was a blitz that did not get home. And Anthony Smith confirms his reputation of a 5 cent head.

Nice INT in the end zone though!

WHAT!?!?!


Damn this delay......I must be at least 2 minutes behind.

[pbmax]

Nice run by Jackson.

[pbmax]

I approve of the Dom Capers era so far.

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well, that was our 3rd string secondary stopping the browns first team

thats pretty good

[MJZiggy]

well, that was our 3rd string secondary stopping the browns first team

thats pretty good

Solid...

[rbaloha1]

Quinn Johnson is a crushing blocker -- a young Wil Henderson.

[pbmax]

If Lang can backup both Guards, I wonder if that helps Wells stay even if he loses the battle for the starting center job.

[pittstang5]

Just saw some stats....7 penalties already.

I know it's preseason, but this was a problem last year. IT CANNOT CONTINUE!

[rbaloha1]

Bishop blitzes very well -- okay Hawk Apologists it was against the second team.

Overall defense is running to the ball nicely and making plays.

[rbaloha1]

Just saw some stats....7 penalties already.

I know it's preseason, but this was a problem last year. IT CANNOT CONTINUE!

correctable.

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Just saw some stats....7 penalties already.

I know it's preseason, but this was a problem last year. IT CANNOT CONTINUE!

correctable.

they couldn't correct that problem last year

[pbmax]

House munchkins came out of the woodwork during McCarthy's interview. Can anybody summarize it for me?

[pbmax]

Just saw some stats....7 penalties already.

I know it's preseason, but this was a problem last year. IT CANNOT CONTINUE!

correctable.

they couldn't correct that problem last year
They were VERY Clean with the starters in. Most of those penalties were with number two O line in and Havner at TE.

[pbmax]

Nice kickoff almost out of the endzone.

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Just saw some stats....7 penalties already.

I know it's preseason, but this was a problem last year. IT CANNOT CONTINUE!

correctable.

they couldn't correct that problem last year
They were VERY Clean with the starters in. Most of those penalties were with number two O line in and Havner at TE.

very true

i think the capers era will be a little bit more enjoyable to watch then the sanders era was

[OkayKyle]

Wooo hooooo! How about that D?

I don't care that it's preseason - I've been waiting for this for 7 months

[OkayKyle]

Brian Brohm with another interception to start off the season - not his fault, but not a good start for him for the 2nd year in a row

[pbmax]

I hope Jamon Meredith develops fast because someone just killed Moll on wide rush.

[MJZiggy]

Lumpkin missed a cutback there...

[rbaloha1]

The guy who can not cover intercepts a pass -- I know its against the backups.

[MJZiggy]

Nice coverage by "Bradley" Jackson...

[pbmax]

We have had some poorly times DB blitzes that leave the QB WAY too much time to throw against single coverage.

[pbmax]

The guy who can not cover intercepts a pass -- I know its against the backups.
Just remember he was beat and the ball was thrown into his lap after he finally turned around. Not complaining, but it was a gift.

[pbmax]

Rouse hurt his elbow.

[bigcoz75]

Noah Herron sighting

[pittstang5]

Hey MJ

You're watching this on the internet, right? Aren't these annoucers annoying?

[MJZiggy]

Hey MJ

You're watching this on the internet, right? Aren't these annoucers annoying?

Intensely. If I weren't multitasking, I'd mute. I must add, the new 'puter is handling this so nicely compared to the old one...

[pittstang5]

Hey MJ

You're watching this on the internet, right? Aren't these annoucers annoying?

Intensely. If I weren't multitasking, I'd mute.

Yeah, I here ya!

[rbaloha1]

Hey MJ

You're watching this on the internet, right? Aren't these annoucers annoying?

Intensely. If I weren't multitasking, I'd mute.

The play by play dude has an annoying type voice. On the other hand, Kosar provides nice insights.

[bigcoz75]

Few nice runs by Sutton

[Pugger]

Gee, Brohm seems to be moving the team pretty well right now...

[OkayKyle]

I didn't notice, has Meredith been playing? Is he hurt?

[pbmax]

Sutton with a NICE inside run.

Diedrich-Smith at center,

[pbmax]

I didn't notice, has Meredith been playing? Is he hurt?
Haven't seen him yet. Not hurt that I am aware of.

[Pugger]

If I were a Browns fan I'd be mighty disheartened by their performance tonight.

[pbmax]

Lumpkin had room but danced for some reason.

[pbmax]

Preston at Center, Diedrich Smith at Guard. Giacomini at Right tackle.

Anouncers had Hartline in at RG when Diedrich Smith was at center.

[Pugger]

Oh oh, I spoke too soon. Not a good play there with O holding... :(

[OkayKyle]

When I watched one of Brohm's games when he was at Louisville, I noticed that most of his passes seemed to have a lot of arch.

Looks like nothing has changed. He has no velocity on his passes - the arch on that last interception was ridiculous. It allows the corners to react too quickly. This will be the last year Brohm is with the Packers.

[pbmax]

When I watched one of Brohm's games when he was at Louisville, I noticed that most of his passes seemed to have a lot of arch.

Looks like nothing has changed. He has no velocity on his passes - the arch on that last interception was ridiculous. It allows the corners to react too quickly. This will be the last year Brohm is with the Packers.
If the WR had held the ball, its not a concern.

[Pugger]

Another pick... oh well

[rbaloha1]

Few nice runs by Sutton

Sutton could beat-out Wynn. Wynn could be traded for a low draft pick.

[falco]

Few nice runs by Sutton

Sutton could beat-out Wynn. Wynn could be traded for a low draft pick.

I don't think Wynn has any trade value.

[pittstang5]

So Brohm has had two picks?

(I missed some of the game...damn computer!)

[pbmax]

O Line:

Meredith-Hartline-DiedrichSmith-Preston-Giacomini

[pittstang5]

Nice bounce by Lumpkin!


Real Nice!

[OkayKyle]

When I watched one of Brohm's games when he was at Louisville, I noticed that most of his passes seemed to have a lot of arch.

Looks like nothing has changed. He has no velocity on his passes - the arch on that last interception was ridiculous. It allows the corners to react too quickly. This will be the last year Brohm is with the Packers.
If the WR had held the ball, its not a concern.

True, the interception wasn't completely Brohm's fault, but what I'm saying is that he has zero velocity on his passes. QB's can't make it in the NFL by lobbing it to receivers

[pbmax]

So Brohm has had two picks?

(I missed some of the game...damn computer!)
Moll allowed a pressure to Bernard (I think) and he hit Brohm's elbow before a throw.

The second was bobbled by the WR.

[pittstang5]

So Brohm has had two picks?

(I missed some of the game...damn computer!)
Moll allowed a pressure to Bernard (I think) and he hit Brohm's elbow before a throw.

The second was bobbled by the WR.

Gotch ya...thanks.

I still don't get why Moll is playing LT...let alone still playing for the Packers. I'd honestly like to have one of the rookies there instead.

[rbaloha1]

BB is still inconsistent. Flynn is obviously way ahead. Flynn also appears ready to be a competent back up.

[pbmax]

They want a backup that isn't Colledge for LT. So that means Moll and Meredith.

[pbmax]

BB is still inconsistent. Flynn is obviously way ahead. Flynn also appears ready to be a competent back up.
Brohm seemed to start out much more decisive. He looked more confident out there, but the results didn't follow. Might not have helped playing with the threes.

[pbmax]

I would not mind seeing Sutton make the team. He runs well inside.

[pbmax]

Just remember when judging the defense's success that this Brown's offense was notably pathetic.

[pittstang5]

Just remember when judging the defense's success that this Brown's offense was notably pathetic.

True...but I think a "feel good story" is the 2's shutdown Clevelands #1s....that makes me feel all warm and tingly inside.

[jmbarnes101]

Just remember when judging the defense's success that this Brown's offense was notably pathetic.

On the other hand, we were missing what...5-6 starters?

[gbgary]

so......which linebacker has stood out? i've got the dvr set to record the game later.

[pittstang5]

so......which linebacker has stood out? i've got the dvr set to record the game later.

Bishop! No contest!

[rbaloha1]

so......which linebacker has stood out? i've got the dvr set to record the game later.

bishop and chillar

[pbmax]

Lang is in there and he had a nice run block on the move.

[rbaloha1]

BB is still inconsistent. Flynn is obviously way ahead. Flynn also appears ready to be a competent back up.
Brohm seemed to start out much more decisive. He looked more confident out there, but the results didn't follow. Might not have helped playing with the threes.

True but still misses too much.

[pbmax]

so......which linebacker has stood out? i've got the dvr set to record the game later.

bishop and chillar
Kampman had some nice pressure as well.

[gbgary]

any injuries? (knocking on wood)

[rbaloha1]

so......which linebacker has stood out? i've got the dvr set to record the game later.

bishop and chillar
Kampman had some nice pressure as well.

Yes, Kampman looked explosive.

[pbmax]

any injuries? (knocking on wood)
Rouse came out with an elbow but didn't look debilitated.

[gbgary]

so......which linebacker has stood out? i've got the dvr set to record the game later.

bishop and chillar
Kampman had some nice pressure as well.

Yes, Kampman looked explosive.

love that guy. what a find he's been.

[OkayKyle]

Man.... I can't wait til the regular season... I have high hopes for this team this year

[pbmax]

JSO had Preston out for a couple of plays but got cleared by McKenzie and went back in.

[pittstang5]

Surpirsed they didn't punch it in at the end...in my mind the final score is 24 to 0. They were running all over them at the end. I guess McCarthy felt sorry for them.

[gbgary]

so after one preseason game it seems everyone's on board with the 3-4?

[gbgary]

i heard cutler sucked tonight. lol

[pittstang5]

i heard cutler sucked tonight. lol

Two picks...maybe one...not sure.

[jmbarnes101]

Well according to my cousin, 95% of WR's in the league would prefer to have Cutler throwing to them than Rodgers. I just laughed and laughed and laughed some more. Typical Bears fan.

[pbmax]

3-4 looked good out of the gate. But the Browns offense last year was horrible. Didn't they go several games without a TD?

[pittstang5]

i heard cutler sucked tonight. lol

Two picks...maybe one...not sure.

Sorry...one pick.

[rbaloha1]

Surpirsed they didn't punch it in at the end...in my mind the final score is 24 to 0. They were running all over them at the end. I guess McCarthy felt sorry for them.

Remember there is a regular season game. Also teams legitimately practice the kneel down.

[Bossman641]

Didn't get a chance to watch the game tonight.

How did Grant, Bigby and Hawk look? Also, how comfortable did the D seem in terms of timing blitzes and being on the same page (no communication issues)?

Thanks

[Dabaddestbear]

i heard cutler sucked tonight. lol

Two picks...maybe one...not sure.
He had one pick. Nothing major. The Offense two top weapons did not even play, Forte and Olsen. Plus the Best O-lineman did not play (Orlando Pace). He looked hesitant on some throws but did ok on the very vanilla plays they called while he was in there.

No reason for concern on my end. I look at possession players and see how they are working out. I am never concerned after the first preseason game. The lions look good every preseason, but you see how they turn out. Some teams run VERY vanilla calls on both side of the ball just to see what they need to install. And some teams go into preseason with plays they will run frequently in the regular season, only then the teams have tape on it and they go nowhere..ala Detroit.

[Bossman641]

i heard cutler sucked tonight. lol

Two picks...maybe one...not sure.
He had one pick. Nothing major. The Offense two top weapons did not even play, Forte and Olsen. Plus the Best O-lineman did not play (Orlando Pace). He looked hesitant on some throws but did ok on the very vanilla plays they called while he was in there.

No reason for concern on my end. I look at possession players and see how they are working out. I am never concerned after the first preseason game. The lions look good every preseason, but you see how they turn out. Some teams run VERY vanilla calls on both side of the ball just to see what they need to install. And some teams go into preseason with plays they will run frequently in the regular season, only then the teams have tape on it and they go nowhere..ala Detroit.

I think the main problem may be that Orlando Pace is your best OL.

[Lurker64]

I missed the game, but looking at the stat line... Jesús Christo is Brohm terrible. 3/10 with 2 picks and a 1.8 YPA? How on earth was he drafted in the second?

[Dabaddestbear]

i heard cutler sucked tonight. lol

Two picks...maybe one...not sure.
He had one pick. Nothing major. The Offense two top weapons did not even play, Forte and Olsen. Plus the Best O-lineman did not play (Orlando Pace). He looked hesitant on some throws but did ok on the very vanilla plays they called while he was in there.

No reason for concern on my end. I look at possession players and see how they are working out. I am never concerned after the first preseason game. The lions look good every preseason, but you see how they turn out. Some teams run VERY vanilla calls on both side of the ball just to see what they need to install. And some teams go into preseason with plays they will run frequently in the regular season, only then the teams have tape on it and they go nowhere..ala Detroit.

I think the main problem may be that Orlando Pace is your best OL.
Umm, and that would make him still better than anyone the pack has on their O-line. Did you forget who had the worst o-line play last year? The False start kings? come on man.

But enough about the Bears in a thread about the Packers preseason game. Just make a thread that says Bears suck, and I will gladly join in there. :wink:

[The Shadow]

i heard cutler sucked tonight. lol

Two picks...maybe one...not sure.
He had one pick. Nothing major. The Offense two top weapons did not even play, Forte and Olsen. Plus the Best O-lineman did not play (Orlando Pace). He looked hesitant on some throws but did ok on the very vanilla plays they called while he was in there.

No reason for concern on my end. I look at possession players and see how they are working out. I am never concerned after the first preseason game. The lions look good every preseason, but you see how they turn out. Some teams run VERY vanilla calls on both side of the ball just to see what they need to install. And some teams go into preseason with plays they will run frequently in the regular season, only then the teams have tape on it and they go nowhere..ala Detroit.

Are you familiar with the term 'whistling past the graveyard'?
Here's a few things you SHOULD be concerned about :
1. injuries and a big-money contract have made DT Tommie Harris a shell of his former self. Not much talent inside. Adams, Harrison, and Dvorcek?
Please!
2. the secondary is a mess. Best player Tillman's injury should keep him out for a considerable while, and trying to eventually play corner effectively with a bad back - good luck! The rest of the secondary's play resembles a Chinese firedrill.
3. Still no sign of a pass rush. Defensive ends don't look good.
4. the worst receiving corp in the NFL.
5. the offensive line looks mediocre at best.

"No reason for concern on my end" sure sounds a bit like General Custer's last memo!

[Bossman641]

i heard cutler sucked tonight. lol

Two picks...maybe one...not sure.
He had one pick. Nothing major. The Offense two top weapons did not even play, Forte and Olsen. Plus the Best O-lineman did not play (Orlando Pace). He looked hesitant on some throws but did ok on the very vanilla plays they called while he was in there.

No reason for concern on my end. I look at possession players and see how they are working out. I am never concerned after the first preseason game. The lions look good every preseason, but you see how they turn out. Some teams run VERY vanilla calls on both side of the ball just to see what they need to install. And some teams go into preseason with plays they will run frequently in the regular season, only then the teams have tape on it and they go nowhere..ala Detroit.

I think the main problem may be that Orlando Pace is your best OL.
Umm, and that would make him still better than anyone the pack has on their O-line. Did you forget who had the worst o-line play last year? The False start kings? come on man.

But enough about the Bears in a thread about the Packers preseason game. Just make a thread that says Bears suck, and I will gladly join in there. :wink:

Just razzing you a little bit. I live in IL but haven't been paying much attention to the Bears this offseason. I personally think Pace is finished but we will see. I just can't help but laugh when my Bear fans point to guys like Knox and Rideau as the answer to the Bear WR problems. I don't think the Bears have enough WR talent to do much this year, but that's why they play the games.

[OkayKyle]

I missed the game, but looking at the stat line... Jesús Christo is Brohm terrible. 3/10 with 2 picks and a 1.8 YPA? How on earth was he drafted in the second?

The two interceptions weren't Brohm's fault, on one play there was too much pressure and he got hit as he threw, and the 2nd interception was in and out of the hands of the receiever. He started off decisive, but the more he played, the more he hung onto the ball. Also, as I stated before in this thread, his passes are lobbed to receivers. He has no velocity on his passes, and it is clear that Matt Flynn is miles ahead of him in terms of ability and decisiveness. Although Flynn scrambled more than he had to, he impressed me tonight. I predict Brohm will be released from the Packers after this season.

[OkayKyle]

Although I was excited for the first look at the new 3-4, the part of the team that impressed me the most was the offensive line. Last year was one of the worst o-line performances I have ever seen. Announcers frequently called Daryn Colledge "Mister Consistency" - and he was terrible at times. Clifton was completely inconsistent and Tauscher wasn't himself.

However, tonight the O-line looked good, even in run blocking. I can't remember the last time Rodgers had that much time in the pocket. Even Flynn had an incredible amount of time to throw until the 3rd and 4th string line came in. If the line continues to perform like it did tonight, expect great things from this offense this year.

[Waldo]

i heard cutler sucked tonight. lol

Two picks...maybe one...not sure.
He had one pick. Nothing major. The Offense two top weapons did not even play, Forte and Olsen. Plus the Best O-lineman did not play (Orlando Pace). He looked hesitant on some throws but did ok on the very vanilla plays they called while he was in there.

No reason for concern on my end. I look at possession players and see how they are working out. I am never concerned after the first preseason game. The lions look good every preseason, but you see how they turn out. Some teams run VERY vanilla calls on both side of the ball just to see what they need to install. And some teams go into preseason with plays they will run frequently in the regular season, only then the teams have tape on it and they go nowhere..ala Detroit.

I think the main problem may be that Orlando Pace is your best OL.
Umm, and that would make him still better than anyone the pack has on their O-line. Did you forget who had the worst o-line play last year? The False start kings? come on man.

But enough about the Bears in a thread about the Packers preseason game. Just make a thread that says Bears suck, and I will gladly join in there. :wink:

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/2_1024_Off._Hog_Index.html

Facts suck. :D

[woodbuck27]

Packers def. Browns in first pre-season game 17-0.


Green Bay Packers (0-0-0)

Total Net Yards 392
Penalties-Yards 9-52
Time of Possession 39:56
Total Turnovers 2

Complete Box Score

Player StatsPassing CP/AT YDS TD INT

A. Rodgers 5/10 102 1 0

M. Flynn 5/6 50 0 0
B. Brohm 3/10 18 0 2

Rushing ATT YDS TD LG

T. Sutton 16 91 0 17 Impressive
K. Lumpkin 8 48 0 14
B. Jackson 8 41 0 18

R. Grant 6 28 1 14
D. Wynn 6 23 0 6
M. Flynn 1 1 0 1
B. Brohm 2 -2 0 -1

Receiving REC YDS TD LG

D. Driver 1 53 1 53

J. Jones 3 43 0 24
D. Lee 1 19 0 19
J. Finley 2 18 0 12
G. Jennings 1 10 0 10
M. Flynn 1 7 0 7
D. Frischknecht 1 7 0 7
R. Martin 1 6 0 6
J. Allen 1 5 0 5
K. Hall 1 2 0 2
R. Grant 0 0 0 0
J. Harris 0 0 0 0
K. Heckendorf 0 0 0 0
B. Swain 0 0 0 0

Kicking FG LG XP PTS
M. Crosby 1/3 45 2/2 5

Defense T-A SCK INT FF

D. Bishop 4-0 1.0 1 0
A. Smith 4-0 1.0 1 0
B. Underwood 4-0 0.0 0 0
W. Blackmon 3-0 1.0 0 1
J. Bush 2-0 0.0 0 0
B. Chillar 2-1 0.0 0 0
D. Lansanah 2-2 0.0 0 0
T. Williams 2-0 0.0 1 0
J. Wynn 2-0 0.0 0 0
T. Ford 1-1 0.0 0 0
A. Hawk 1-1 0.0 0 0
C. Jenkins 1-0 0.0 0 0
J. Jolly 1-0 0.0 0 0
M. Montgomery 1-0 0.0 0 0
C. Obiozor 1-0 0.0 0 0
C. Peprah 0-0 0.0 1 0
B. Poppinga 0-3 0.0 0 0
R. Talley 0-1 0.0 0 0

Nice start!

[woodbuck27]

Story of our first pre-season game a 17-0 win over the Browns.

Packers have options at running back.

Starting RB Ryan Grant ran for 28 yards and one touchdown in the first quarter, but Green Bay's four other tailbacks performed well, too. Tyrell Sutton, Kregg Lumpkin, Brandon Jackson and DeShawn Wynn combined for 202 rushing yards and likely will make the coaches' roster decisions a little tougher.


http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=54734&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2009&week=PRE1

[Lurker64]

The roster's going to be interesting this year. Is there room for 6 RB/FBs on the roster? It's likely we only keep 2 TE with Humphrey out for the season, so maybe?

[woodbuck27]

Rodgers, Packers look sharp in shutout of Browns

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap?game_id=54734&displayPage=tab_recap

[pasquale]

i heard cutler sucked tonight. lol

Two picks...maybe one...not sure.
He had one pick. Nothing major. The Offense two top weapons did not even play, Forte and Olsen. Plus the Best O-lineman did not play (Orlando Pace). He looked hesitant on some throws but did ok on the very vanilla plays they called while he was in there.

No reason for concern on my end. I look at possession players and see how they are working out. I am never concerned after the first preseason game. The lions look good every preseason, but you see how they turn out. Some teams run VERY vanilla calls on both side of the ball just to see what they need to install. And some teams go into preseason with plays they will run frequently in the regular season, only then the teams have tape on it and they go nowhere..ala Detroit.

I think the main problem may be that Orlando Pace is your best OL.
Umm, and that would make him still better than anyone the pack has on their O-line. Did you forget who had the worst o-line play last year? The False start kings? come on man.

But enough about the Bears in a thread about the Packers preseason game. Just make a thread that says Bears suck, and I will gladly join in there. :wink:

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/2_1024_Off._Hog_Index.html

Facts suck. :D

Waldo is the best.

[Dabaddestbear]

i heard cutler sucked tonight. lol

Two picks...maybe one...not sure.
He had one pick. Nothing major. The Offense two top weapons did not even play, Forte and Olsen. Plus the Best O-lineman did not play (Orlando Pace). He looked hesitant on some throws but did ok on the very vanilla plays they called while he was in there.

No reason for concern on my end. I look at possession players and see how they are working out. I am never concerned after the first preseason game. The lions look good every preseason, but you see how they turn out. Some teams run VERY vanilla calls on both side of the ball just to see what they need to install. And some teams go into preseason with plays they will run frequently in the regular season, only then the teams have tape on it and they go nowhere..ala Detroit.

I think the main problem may be that Orlando Pace is your best OL.
Umm, and that would make him still better than anyone the pack has on their O-line. Did you forget who had the worst o-line play last year? The False start kings? come on man.

But enough about the Bears in a thread about the Packers preseason game. Just make a thread that says Bears suck, and I will gladly join in there. :wink:

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/2_1024_Off._Hog_Index.html

Facts suck. :D

Waldo is the best.
uh, those stats dont tell the entire story and anyone that watched both teams knows that. A better QB will of course make it so that the line averages more yards.
No one on here that actually watched both teams play could honestly say the Packers had a better O-line. No running lanes, plenty of false starts, and holds galore stopped many drives for the Packers last year. Bears problems were WR drops and inconsistent QB play that obviously led to less yards per play. Those are the most lame stats ever. :roll:

[woodbuck27]

Aaron Rodgers shows us some fine play in a 17-0 win over the Browns.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d811ed1ae/Pre-WK-1-Aaron-Rodgers-highlights

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d811dedcd/Aaron-Rodgers-interview

Aaron Rodgers interview

Published: Aug. 13, 2009

Packers QB Aaron Rodgers looks back at his first season as a starter and discusses his expectations for 2009.


GO PACK GO!

[Scott Campbell]

i heard cutler sucked tonight. lol

Two picks...maybe one...not sure.
He had one pick. Nothing major. The Offense two top weapons did not even play, Forte and Olsen. Plus the Best O-lineman did not play (Orlando Pace). He looked hesitant on some throws but did ok on the very vanilla plays they called while he was in there.

No reason for concern on my end. I look at possession players and see how they are working out. I am never concerned after the first preseason game. The lions look good every preseason, but you see how they turn out. Some teams run VERY vanilla calls on both side of the ball just to see what they need to install. And some teams go into preseason with plays they will run frequently in the regular season, only then the teams have tape on it and they go nowhere..ala Detroit.

I think the main problem may be that Orlando Pace is your best OL.
Umm, and that would make him still better than anyone the pack has on their O-line. Did you forget who had the worst o-line play last year? The False start kings? come on man.

But enough about the Bears in a thread about the Packers preseason game. Just make a thread that says Bears suck, and I will gladly join in there. :wink:

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/2_1024_Off._Hog_Index.html

Facts suck. :D

Waldo is the best.


:lol:

[woodbuck27]

Aaron Rodgers finds WR Donald Driver for a 53-yd TD vs. the Browns.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d811eceb6/Pre-WK-1-Can-t-Miss-Play-Rodgers-TD-bomb

[Partial]

How can they not start DBishop? Dude had what, 4, 5 hits on the QB tonight? Dude was everywhere!

I was at a bar watching the game so I wasn't wathcing as closely as I would have liked. Bishop, Lumpkin and Sutton jumped out to me. Rodgers looked very good and Jones looked very good. Grant looked fast. This O should be extremely good. Jolly played behind MM... really? MM is JAG.

Anyone see Hawk do anything but get blown up?

[Partial]

Man... How comfortable does Rodgers look. He has always had a strong arm coming out of college, but he has looked much better than anticipated - especially being a Tedford product. How much of that do you think is attributed to him sitting for 3 years with no pressure?

A lot. He looked very good tonight. Definitely less skittish than last year imo. Then again, it is the Browns so I'll continue being fair and withholding judgement.

[wist43]

Some observations... although I haven't gone thru the whole game:

I tried to watch a few guys closely to see if areas of weakness had been shored up...

Barbre - if he doesn't figure out how to move his feet, he's going to get Rodgers killed. He gets into his set okay most of the time, but then anchors as if expecting the rusher to play the dancing bear game with him. If a rusher takes his outside shoulder, feigns an inside move with a punch and stutter step, Barbre is beat every time... simple stuff, but Barbre doesn't seem to get it.

Wells - all 5'8" 240 lbs of him... if he's our starting center, the entire line will suffer. No surprise he got pushed back into Rodgers lap far too easily. He can stay in front of his guy most of the time, but he gives far too much ground in the middle. The middle of the line held up much better with Spitz at C.

Bishop - looked okay, can't say anything bad about his performance, but at the same time, you have to look at what Cleveland was, or was not doing. They did an absolutely terrible job of picking up fairly simple crosses and stunts. Against a team that is assignment sure, and has game planned, it's a different story; so, take it with a grain of salt.

Kampman - looked like a fish out of water. Wasn't on the field much, but looked like a DE trying to play LB. Didn't look comfortable. Once teams get some film on the Packer defense, they will game plan to match Kampman up in coverage. I expect he'll still get his share of sacks, but he's not playing his natural position, and that has got to have a negative effective on him. As I said, he didn't look comfortable.

Finley - looks the part. Expecting a good season from him, if not a big season. Didn't look at his blocking, only scanned the game once.

Running backs - as others have said, they all looked good. Lumpkin, Sutton, and Wynn would seem to be fighting for 1/2 spots.

Liked some of what I saw - Jolly, Jarius Wynn, Obiozor, Flynn.

[pbmax]

Barbre definitely whiffed on a couple of wide rushes that I saw. And Colledge might still be our second best LT, even though I don't think its his best spot going forward. Its too bad Meredith hasn't merited more time with the 2s. Moll had some trouble. Hope to see improvement.

Bishop looks great going forward, but on his Int in landed in his lap immediately after he turned around running back to his zone. He was behind the WR, hard to say if he was late or simply taking a normal drop. Either way, it was a gift-but kudos to him for hanging on to it.

Kampman had one pass completed into his zone that I saw, it was between defenders and they dropped the guy. Exactly what he was supposed to happen. My answer to wist's fear of AK getting singled up is that if an offense does that, they will be exposed to an overloaded blitz from the opposite side. Then its a race.

The defense all around failed to get home a number of times, but some DBs looked good in blitz, esp. Blackmon and the rookie Underwood.

And I agree with wist and the previous poster that Jolly was everywhere. Jenkins was the end on the busted contain of Cribbs end around, but I haven't seen it addressed whether he shared blame with Popp and Collins for abandoning the edge.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.packers.com/news/stories/2009/08/15/4/

Story of first pre-season game fr. Packers.com.

"I thought as a whole for our football team, it was a good solid starting point," Head Coach Mike McCarthy said. "There were a lot of positives to come out of this game. And there are some negatives and we have to make sure we learn from that. The thing that I was most impressed with was the tempo that our team played with on both sides of the ball."

Statistically, the most startling numbers were two things the Packers would like to see carry over into the regular season -

running the ball and stopping the run.

Five different running backs combined to give Green Bay 230 rushing yards while the defense held Cleveland to just 59. That led to a domination in time of possession (39 minutes, 56 seconds to 20:04) that prevented the Browns from ever getting back into the game.

"I think it was a great start for us to be able to score on both of our possessions," Rodgers said. "I thought the line did a great job controlling the line of scrimmage the entire game. We ran the ball for 230 yards, and especially the first group, I had all day to throw. To be able to have three-plus seconds to throw the ball, you're going to be successful in those situations." Aaron Rodgers

Inspite of the fact this win was over the weak Cleveland Browns there is alot to encourage Packer fans as our team demonstrated big play potential on both sides of the ball, Running for 230 yards is huge. Our 'D' limited the Browns to 59 yards on the ground. We saw good competition at both running back and linebacker. All big plus's for the Packer coaching staffs in terms of selecting the best possible 53 man roster.


Who was the MVP for the Packers vs. Cleveland?

Defense 42% Aaron Rodgers 30% Tyrell Sutton 15% Donald Driver 11%

Total Votes: 7,553

GO PACKERS!

[red]

no desmond bishop for POG voting?

[sheepshead]

I didnt see the game at all, watched a little of the bears and they look disheveled. I am very happy to see the "D" and running game have solid days. My 2 biggest concerns.

[mraynrand]

Lumpy looks OK between the tackles, but anytime he tries to turn it outside, his tremendous lack of burst speed is on glaring display. The Packers know what they have with Lumpy. May have a unique change of pace with Ty Sutton - only problem is the 4.75 40 - short frame with a lot of meat - for comparison, Darren Sproles is two inches shorter and 30 pounds lighter with a 4.49 40 coming out. Wynn looked like nothing special.

Grain of salt: Browns are bad - very bad.

[pbmax]

Lumpy looks OK between the tackles, but anytime he tries to turn it outside, his tremendous lack of burst speed is on glaring display. The Packers know what they have with Lumpy. May have a unique change of pace with Ty Sutton - only problem is the 4.75 40 - short frame with a lot of meat - for comparison, Darren Sproles is two inches shorter and 30 pounds lighter with a 4.49 40 coming out. Wynn looked like nothing special.

Grain of salt: Browns are bad - very bad.
I think the report I read had Sutton running a 4.61 for a private workout with the Packers. He's not Sproles, but he isn't waist deep in quicksand either.

I think Lumpkin mirrors what Grant does, slightly less well. I think Wynn has more shake while being big enough for the inside runs. But it seemed like everyone had a better run than him. Everything being equal, I would like Wynn to stick. But I wonder if he replaces Jackson, not Lumpkin.

[SkinBasket]

Man... How comfortable does Rodgers look. He has always had a strong arm coming out of college, but he has looked much better than anticipated - especially being a Tedford product. How much of that do you think is attributed to him sitting for 3 years with no pressure?

A lot. He looked very good tonight. Definitely less skittish than last year imo. Then again, it is the Browns so I'll continue being fair and withholding judgement.

Except for when it comes to declaring Desmond Bishop the next Ray Lewis and Hawk a bust?

I've been a Bishop supporter from the get-go, but until he can produce in the regular season, I'm not going to get terribly excited. He looked like an all star last preseason too. In games that mattered, not so much.

As far as Hawk goes, I have no idea what you're talking about "getting blown up."

[sheepshead]

http://packers.magnify.net/video/NFL-Preseason-Week-1-Cleveland

Nice wrap if you didnt see the game, like me. Rodgers to driver was sweet.

[woodbuck27]

What we've seen Donald Driver do:

Pro Summary

** A true pro who continues to perform at a high level at age 34
Three-time Pro Bowl selection enters the 2009 campaign needing just 19 catches to surpass Sterling Sharpe (595) for the team record for career receptions

** With 7,989 receiving yards, trails just Don Hutson (7,991), Sharpe (8,134) and James Lofton (9,656) in franchise annals and he sits atop the Lambeau Field record book for receptions and receiving yardage.

** Donald became all-time leader in receiving yards at Lambeau in 2008 with 24-yard grab in Week 7 vs. Indianapolis, surpassing Antonio Freeman’s record of 3,477, and currently has 3,823 and he surpassed Freeman (213) in ’07 in Week 3 for the stadium record for receptions, and currently has 273 catches at Lambeau

** Donald Driver enters season with a streak of 111 games with at least one reception (116 including postseason), the longest streak in franchise history after surpassing Sharpe’s team record of 103 in Week 9 at Tennessee last season

** Donald Driver set a team record in 2008 with his sixth 1,000-yard season, surpassing Sharpe and Lofton, and extended his franchise record with his fifth straight

** He joins Indianapolis’ Reggie Wayne as the only receivers in the league to have five consecutive 1,000-yard seasons from 2004-08

** He teamed with Greg Jennings in ’08 as each went over the 1,000-yard receiving mark, only the fourth time in team history that a receiving duo accomplished that feat; Driver and teammate Javon Walker each topped 1,000 yards in ’04.

** Donald Driver has caught 50 or more passes in a season seven times, matching Lofton and Sharpe for the team record and surpassed 70 receptions in ’08 for the fifth straight season

** Despite catching only two touchdowns in ’07, was duly recognized by NFC players and coaches as one of the conference’s top wideouts and earned his third Pro Bowl trip (2002 and 2006 were the others)

** Set personal highs in receptions and yards three straight years beginning in 2004, putting up 92 catches for 1,295 yards in 2006 to earn a second Pro Bowl appearance. Those totals ranked third and second in the NFC, respectively; both were fifth in the NFL in 2006, and his career-high 191-yard performance at Minnesota (Nov. 12) was the best single-game total by an NFC receiver on the season.

** Donald Driver wants to play until he’s 40, and he just may do that with the tremendous care he takes of his body. He sets an example for the team’s younger receivers, both on the field and off, of what it takes to be successful, and credits predecessors Freeman and Robert Brooks for helping him develop his leadership skills

** His knowledge of the West Coast offensive system, combined with his athleticism as a former college track standout and one-time Olympic hopeful, makes him a threat no matter where he lines up on the field

** His 82-yard catch-and-run at Minnesota in 2006 gave him three career TD receptions of 80 or more yards (not including playoffs), tying a Packers record held by Howton (two in 1952, one in 1953) and Carroll Dale (1966, 1967, 1970)

** He stepped forward in 2005 when injuries decimated the Packers at the skill positions and was the team’s lone reliable playmaker for the duration of the season, earning the team’s Most Valuable Player award for the second time (also 2002)

** In 2004, teamed with Javon Walker to register the Packers’ best season by a receiving duo in both combined receptions (173) and combined receiving yards (2,590); yardage total ranked second in the NFL that year behind the Rams’ Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce (2,664).

** In 2003, became the first player since Don Majkowski (10th round, 1987-92) drafted by the Packers in the seventh round or later to play five seasons in Green Bay.

** In 2002, was named to the Pro Bowl and became the lowest-drafted Packers Pro Bowler in 19 years. He broke through as the team’s No. 3 receiver for much of 2000, when he replaced an injured Corey Bradford.

** Though a low-round draft choice in 1999, initially had carved out a roster spot by regularly making phenomenal receptions in first training camp
Enjoyed decorated collegiate track career, demonstrating his athleticism with world-class skills in the high jump, reaching 7 feet, 6½ inches.


How lucky have we been to have enjoyed Donald Drivers success as a Green Bay Packer? His entire life defines inspiration and hope. His dedication to the team and the community is nothing short of outstanding. woodbuck27

Donald overcame countless obstacles growing up has inspired him to become one of the team’s most involved players in giving back to the community. In 2000, he and his wife created the Donald Driver Foundation

(www.donalddriverfoundation.com), which offers assistance to homeless mothers and underprivileged children as well as scholarships to high school students in three states. In addition, has made more than 500 appearances since 1999, from schools to youth football fields to churches, delivering motivational speeches or offering assistance.

Congratulations Donald Driver.


Go Packers!

[Partial]

Man... How comfortable does Rodgers look. He has always had a strong arm coming out of college, but he has looked much better than anticipated - especially being a Tedford product. How much of that do you think is attributed to him sitting for 3 years with no pressure?

A lot. He looked very good tonight. Definitely less skittish than last year imo. Then again, it is the Browns so I'll continue being fair and withholding judgement.

Except for when it comes to declaring Desmond Bishop the next Ray Lewis and Hawk a bust?

I've been a Bishop supporter from the get-go, but until he can produce in the regular season, I'm not going to get terribly excited. He looked like an all star last preseason too. In games that mattered, not so much.

As far as Hawk goes, I have no idea what you're talking about "getting blown up."

Show me where I declared either as the next Ray Lewis or a bust. Please do. I pointed out an observation saying Bishop had several quarterback hits, and then noted that Hawk was blown up several times. That is an observation, not an opinion.

I saw Hawk get shoved around on a huge amount of JL runs last night. Guy has a tough time in traffic and shedding blocks fo' sho'.

[pbmax]

Show me where I declared either as the next Ray Lewis or a bust. Please do. I pointed out an observation saying Bishop had several quarterback hits, and then noted that Hawk was blown up several times. That is an observation, not an opinion.

I saw Hawk get shoved around on a huge amount of JL runs last night. Guy has a tough time in traffic and shedding blocks fo' sho'.
You do know that Bishop played a different position than Hawk?

And that Jamal Lewis used that devastating blocking on Hawk to carry 7 times for 17 yards and a 2.4 ypc?

[rbaloha1]

How can they not start DBishop? Dude had what, 4, 5 hits on the QB tonight? Dude was everywhere!

I was at a bar watching the game so I wasn't wathcing as closely as I would have liked. Bishop, Lumpkin and Sutton jumped out to me. Rodgers looked very good and Jones looked very good. Grant looked fast. This O should be extremely good. Jolly played behind MM... really? MM is JAG.

Anyone see Hawk do anything but get blown up?

IMO Bishop earned a position in obvious passing downs. Unfortunately Chillar and Barnett play the same position.

Hawk is not good at the point of attack -- better in space. IMO Hawk's best position is wolb.

Lets not forget Finley who is finally displaying the potential we were waiting for.

[rbaloha1]

Lumpy looks OK between the tackles, but anytime he tries to turn it outside, his tremendous lack of burst speed is on glaring display. The Packers know what they have with Lumpy. May have a unique change of pace with Ty Sutton - only problem is the 4.75 40 - short frame with a lot of meat - for comparison, Darren Sproles is two inches shorter and 30 pounds lighter with a 4.49 40 coming out. Wynn looked like nothing special.

Grain of salt: Browns are bad - very bad.]

Forget the 40 times -- Sutton can cut back and possesses vision. Explosive enough to make the runs required for zbs scheme. Homerun hitter -- no.

[rbaloha1]

Man... How comfortable does Rodgers look. He has always had a strong arm coming out of college, but he has looked much better than anticipated - especially being a Tedford product. How much of that do you think is attributed to him sitting for 3 years with no pressure?

A lot. He looked very good tonight. Definitely less skittish than last year imo. Then again, it is the Browns so I'll continue being fair and withholding judgement.

Except for when it comes to declaring Desmond Bishop the next Ray Lewis and Hawk a bust?

I've been a Bishop supporter from the get-go, but until he can produce in the regular season, I'm not going to get terribly excited. He looked like an all star last preseason too. In games that mattered, not so much.

As far as Hawk goes, I have no idea what you're talking about "getting blown up."

Did you watch the Texans regular season game from last season? The best Hawk can do at the point of attack is a stalemate. Teams shall test Hawk throughout the season with inside runs.

[digitaldean]

From what I saw last night...
The only reason the Browns didn't score was due to Edwards & the holding penalty on their FG. Quinn's pass hit him square in the hands and he dropped it like he did so much in 2008.

Sutton was moving d-linemen back when getting hit last night. Nice performance. Rodgers looked sharp. Finley had a good game. Even Lee's catch and hurdle in the red zone looked good.

As for the backup qb's: Flynn still holds onto the ball too long. He's OK, but he's a HUGE dropoff as a 2nd QB. Brohm for all his touting in college is still showing he's struggling with the timing routes. Wouldn't be shocked that we pick up some vet castoff and let him go.

Poppinga and Collins were at fault for the lack of contain on Cribbs' run. Kampy played OK. Hoping the next 3 games help him get more confidence in his position. I agree he can be a weak link in the pass coverage. Hawk is just underwhelming at his present position.

First line D got consistent pressure that caused 2 picks and almost got a 3rd.

Great first step for the tem, but tempering my enthusiasm because the Browns really do stink...

[Harlan Huckleby]

Brohm for all his touting in college is still showing he's struggling with the timing routes. Wouldn't be shocked that we pick up some vet castoff and let him go.

I haven't seen a single aspect of Brohm's game that argues for keeping him. Maybe he'll throw a decent deep pass in preseason, I seem to remember that was his forte is college.

[rbaloha1]

Brohm for all his touting in college is still showing he's struggling with the timing routes. Wouldn't be shocked that we pick up some vet castoff and let him go.

I haven't seen a single aspect of Brohm's game that argues for keeping him. Maybe he'll throw a decent deep pass in preseason, I seem to remember that was his forte is college.

Agreed. Only around due to being a 2nd round pick. If a seventh round pick -- aloha.

[mission]

First watched the game on a few different choppy internet streams and then got to see it later on NFL Network replay.

Few ramblings:

Bishop: This guy is DISRUPTIVE! The stats don't even come close to telling the story. He just has an intense nose for the ball.. great blitzes, created turnovers... even plays where he doesn't show up on the stat sheet, he's knocking down the QB, altering a pass. So let's say he can't cover ... fine! Don't have him... he's gotta be on the field for a big chunk of the time. I went from Go Hawk to Wow Bishop. I followed him very closely the second time around and that's when I started noticing all the little things. Loved his nose for the ball.

Defense in general: A few times I forgot I was even watching the Packers. All the different fronts, fake blitzes, alignment changes... all of this in week 1 of the preaseason. Whole team is just flying to the ball, great intensity... coverages could get tighter ... 4 INTs not withstanding. I can't wait to watch this group develop through the year...

Poppinga: Same Brady. Gets sucked way inside on an end around and a step slow in coverage. Too much competition at LB for him to get much PT this year. He's just too stiff. Could be a situational rushing backer. Looks worse in this scheme.

Terrell Sutton looks tiny out there but no one can seem to find him behind the line. few times he ran into a group for what i thought was a sure loss, and he just reappeared out the back/side for an extra 8 yards. I think he's a great changeup... all the backs looked good but Sutton looked *different* good. Wynn can hit the road as far as I'm concerned. His ceiling is capped.

Can't wait to see more of the guys out there next week!

[SkinBasket]

Man... How comfortable does Rodgers look. He has always had a strong arm coming out of college, but he has looked much better than anticipated - especially being a Tedford product. How much of that do you think is attributed to him sitting for 3 years with no pressure?

A lot. He looked very good tonight. Definitely less skittish than last year imo. Then again, it is the Browns so I'll continue being fair and withholding judgement.

Except for when it comes to declaring Desmond Bishop the next Ray Lewis and Hawk a bust?

I've been a Bishop supporter from the get-go, but until he can produce in the regular season, I'm not going to get terribly excited. He looked like an all star last preseason too. In games that mattered, not so much.

As far as Hawk goes, I have no idea what you're talking about "getting blown up."

Did you watch the Texans regular season game from last season? The best Hawk can do at the point of attack is a stalemate. Teams shall test Hawk throughout the season with inside runs.

So you're using a game from last year. The year he suffered through two injuries and played out of position for the last 3rd of the season with a ramshackle line in front of him and a quintet of starting safeties behind him. That's fair.

[ThunderDan]

Wow!!! What a difference a year makes on defense.

I was at the game live and it was very hard to watch players on the defense because they were constantly in motion. The old vinilla Bob defense you knew exactly what play was being run and where every one should be on the play.

Poopinga kept crashing down the line as OLB and got burnt on the reverse. Lots of pressure from everywhere.

The only thing that concerned me was on the corner blitzes, the CBs sold the blitz early and didn't back out. Cleveland should have been able to adjust and get a WR one-on-one with a safety.

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I personally didn't think the defense was anything to write home about. Jolly and Bishop were the two guys I noticed.

[SkinBasket]

I personally didn't think the defense was anything to write home about. Jolly and Bishop were the two guys I noticed.

You're right. Giving up 0 points usually leads to defeat.

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I personally didn't think the defense was anything to write home about. Jolly and Bishop were the two guys I noticed.

You're right. Giving up 0 points usually leads to defeat.

Why the smart ass remarks in this thread? Am I not entitled to my opinion? Get off me, guy. Several things: They allowed the Browns to drive several times, including a dropped touchdown and a penalty on a field goal. Also, it's the Browns, a team that is most likely going to be horrible.

The defense wasn't super sharp imo. Quinn had a lot of time to throw the ball at the beginning of the game. I suspect they'll be a lot better once they get all their guys in there starting.

Remember... the Lions went 4-0 in preseason last year.

[ThunderDan]

I personally didn't think the defense was anything to write home about. Jolly and Bishop were the two guys I noticed.

Really?!?

Did you have any idea where the pressure would come from on every play? You should have last year.

[Waldo]

And I agree with wist and the previous poster that Jolly was everywhere. Jenkins was the end on the busted contain of Cribbs end around, but I haven't seen it addressed whether he shared blame with Popp and Collins for abandoning the edge.

Pop got washed inside and took the bait, lost outside contain.

Chillar shot the B gap and took himself out of the play. Should have read run and protected the weak edge. He has to realize that he is the last line of defense before a big play. Chillar does not have weakside instints. Either Hawk or Barnett on that side, that play is at best a 5 yard gain, even with Pops' busted outside contain.

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I personally didn't think the defense was anything to write home about. Jolly and Bishop were the two guys I noticed.

Really?!?

Did you have any idea where the pressure would come from on every play? You should have last year.

No, I didn't, and it's a definite improvement, but it wasn't a super dominant performance as the score would reflect. I think they're well on their way, though. They'll be much better off with Raji at end, and hen actually having a #1 or #2 at ROLB. Plus, they're going to keep it fairly vanilla in PS. Also, they didn't have their two star CBs playing.

[ThunderDan]

I personally didn't think the defense was anything to write home about. Jolly and Bishop were the two guys I noticed.

Really?!?

Did you have any idea where the pressure would come from on every play? You should have last year.

No, I didn't, and it's a definite improvement, but it wasn't a super dominant performance as the score would reflect. I think they're well on their way, though. They'll be much better off with Raji at end, and hen actually having a #1 or #2 at ROLB. Plus, they're going to keep it fairly vanilla in PS. Also, they didn't have their two star CBs playing.

I am not talking about the score or a "super dominant" performance by the D.

I am simply saying that you cannot predict what the GB D was going to do and where the pressure would come from. That is a huge improvement from last year alone.

[rbaloha1]

I personally didn't think the defense was anything to write home about. Jolly and Bishop were the two guys I noticed.

Really?!?

Did you have any idea where the pressure would come from on every play? You should have last year.

No, I didn't, and it's a definite improvement, but it wasn't a super dominant performance as the score would reflect. I think they're well on their way, though. They'll be much better off with Raji at end, and hen actually having a #1 or #2 at ROLB. Plus, they're going to keep it fairly vanilla in PS. Also, they didn't have their two star CBs playing.

Gee Whiz -- What would have happened if the Browns scored 5 offensive tds -- the haters and "I told you so" dudes dominate the thread.

The Browns offense is terrible. Nonetheless playing a basic scheme with typical 3-4 blitzes and backups the defense executed well.

Its going to be excited when the first team base defense and nickel and dime packages along with the exotic blitzes are implemented.

Jolly played well -- showed good lateral movement and should be a serviceable backup.

[Waldo]

I liked what Hawk did. When Lansanah came in he did the same thing. Both are Buck backers. (Chillar and Bishop played Mack). Hawk was constantly adjusting the defense pre snap. Hawk got his nose in there at the POA and made some plays, even if it was only bottling up the blocking.

Which they couldn't do to our blocking. Quinn Johnson destroyed their defense. The only back that I thought looked great was Jackson, though Grant ran with power and drove guys back. Johnson was trucking their buck and mack, clearing a clean hole to the 3rd level a good % of the time. Sutton's running had a lot to do with a tired defense getting beaten silly by our big FB.

We pushed their DL backwards all game. Ours didn't budge all game. LOL @ the sentiment that Pickett couldn't handle the nose. They couldn't budge him at all. Toribio looked real nice too. They moved him a little with two guys, but he stood stood strong (didn't pull a Cole and get destroyed), pass rushing he got a lot more push than Pickett and had a nice zone drop as well. He might have trade value if we don't keep him.

My player of the game is Jarius Wynn. Bishop's int was a pop fly caused by a hit on the QB that Wynn had, and Wynn made a nice double move to beat his guy to get it. Smith's int was off of Wynn pressure as well I believe. He got good movement into the pocket when he didn't get home. His run blocking was real nice, they didn't get much running at him. He also showed a lot of hustle chasing plays on both sides of the field, even if they went away from him, taking good angles in case his hustle was needed. I like that a lot in the DL, most of our guys lacked hustle last year. Kid showed a lot of play awareness, something that separates the men from the boys on the DL. All the physical ability in the world is useless without play awareness, and Wynn has a ton of it.

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That is excellent that Jolly will be a solid backup, because I have a hunch he's going to be playing a fair amount. Jenkins has not made it through an entire season healthy yet in his career.

[Waldo]

That is excellent that Jolly will be a solid backup, because I have a hunch he's going to be playing a fair amount. Jenkins has not made it through an entire season healthy yet in his career.

After watching last night, I'd take Wynn over Jolly at RDE, unless it was agaisnt a dominant running team that is terrible at throwing.

Jolly is a LDE in this scheme. RDE should be able to penetrate the pocket, LDE has to be more run stout.

[rbaloha1]

Wynn showed promise -- quick and hustles to the ball. #95 was also impressive. Quinn Johnson had punishing blocks similar to Wil Henderson early in his career. Sure would be nice if Quinn is a good pass catcher.

Disagree about Hawk -- assignment sure is no longer good enough. Also disagree about Sutton -- yes he had open running lanes but also showed vision to find the cutback lanes when the play was designed to the right (as per Bernie Kosar) and gaining yards after initial contact. Sutton is in position to claim the #3 position.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Sutton is in position to claim the #3 position.

I didn't notice anything special there. I thought Lumpkin looked the best, even though I am a Wynner.

Maybe Sutton can catch the ball, haven't had a good third down back in a while.

[rbaloha1]

Forgot that James Jones looks more fluid this season -- clearly #3. Nelson looked tentative.

[Lurker64]

My player of the game is Jarius Wynn. Bishop's int was a pop fly caused by a hit on the QB that Wynn had, and Wynn made a nice double move to beat his guy to get it. Smith's int was off of Wynn pressure as well I believe. He got good movement into the pocket when he didn't get home. His run blocking was real nice, they didn't get much running at him. He also showed a lot of hustle chasing plays on both sides of the field, even if they went away from him, taking good angles in case his hustle was needed. I like that a lot in the DL, most of our guys lacked hustle last year. Kid showed a lot of play awareness, something that separates the men from the boys on the DL. All the physical ability in the world is useless without play awareness, and Wynn has a ton of it.

Do you think Wynn can make the final roster? When we drafted him I thought "well, we've got to get somebody at DE who has PS eligibility", but he might actually stick? That's exciting.

[Waldo]

My player of the game is Jarius Wynn. Bishop's int was a pop fly caused by a hit on the QB that Wynn had, and Wynn made a nice double move to beat his guy to get it. Smith's int was off of Wynn pressure as well I believe. He got good movement into the pocket when he didn't get home. His run blocking was real nice, they didn't get much running at him. He also showed a lot of hustle chasing plays on both sides of the field, even if they went away from him, taking good angles in case his hustle was needed. I like that a lot in the DL, most of our guys lacked hustle last year. Kid showed a lot of play awareness, something that separates the men from the boys on the DL. All the physical ability in the world is useless without play awareness, and Wynn has a ton of it.

Do you think Wynn can make the final roster? When we drafted him I thought "well, we've got to get somebody at DE who has PS eligibility", but he might actually stick? That's exciting.

I'd take him over Monty. He definitely looked better. He's got some fairly refined pass rushing moves (I counted at least 3 well executed (bull, swim, hump)). Played 1 tech, 3 tech, and 5 tech. Held a double OK at 1 tech.

The one I question is Toribio. He looked like he belonged as well. If we cut him he almost surely won't clear waivers (Athletic NT's are in high demand in all schemes). Could be tradable. If we keep 7 DL, Toribio sticks IMO. Granted their OL wasn't as good as ours, but he played every bit as good as Ahtyba Rubin, their backup NT that started and played the first half. His best play, he blew up Alex Mack on a run (Mack went backwards). They shot the G's back to the LB's (everybodies fear with ""the" 3-4, the only time they did it all night), Toribio drove Mack back and got past him, forcing a hold (would have been a TFL without the hold). They had to hold Wynn on the same play as well (uncalled). This is the same Mack that could handle Raji in the Senior Bowl by himself, and Mack has surely improved since then.

Right now I'd keep Pickett, Jenkins, Raji, Jolly, Harrell, and Wynn, with Toribio as the #7 guy.

Tally would be my PS guy. Gotta see more out of Monty for him to stick. Not only does he lack Wynn's upside, he costs A LOT more money.

[SkinBasket]

I personally didn't think the defense was anything to write home about. Jolly and Bishop were the two guys I noticed.

You're right. Giving up 0 points usually leads to defeat.

Why the smart ass remarks in this thread? Am I not entitled to my opinion? Get off me, guy. Several things: They allowed the Browns to drive several times, including a dropped touchdown and a penalty on a field goal. Also, it's the Browns, a team that is most likely going to be horrible.

The defense wasn't super sharp imo. Quinn had a lot of time to throw the ball at the beginning of the game. I suspect they'll be a lot better once they get all their guys in there starting.

Remember... the Lions went 4-0 in preseason last year.

You're posting on an internet forum, guy. If your opinion doesn't match my opinion, am I not entitled to my opinion? We're supposed to be here to exchange and debate ideas, not just yell them at everyone and expect pats on the back. When you post things like, "Bishop should be the starter!" and "Hawk got blowed up all night!" some sane people are going to disagree.

The defense was playing without it's two starting CBs, arguably the best tandem in the league, and without its longstanding middle linebacker. Yeah, it's the preseason, and it's the Browns, but allowing 0 points is not a common occurrence. No shit the Browns had a drive or two. That's how football works outside of playing Madden on the easy setting. Our defense is not going to win every play this season. They won't win every play in a game. Sometimes, they won't win every play in a drive. Even against the worst teams in the league. The point of the game, however (and regardless of how you feel about their "performance") is to score more points than the other team. When you allow 0 points, in any game, you're going to win. Thus and therefore, I feel the defense did a fine job. A wonderful job, in fact. Furthermore, the depth chart continued to create turnovers, play clean, and create pressure across the board.

Sure, you can discount everything that doesn't fit your own personal feelings by dismissing it as a preseason performance. But I'll take that performance over one that allows points any day.

[wist43]

I've always been high on Jolly... Jolly should certainly be starting ahead of Harrell.

Haven't seen enough of Wynn to form a solid opinion yet, but I liked what I saw... have to take the competition into acct though.

Can't believe Montgomery is still on the team... roster says he's in his 5th year - wow, can't believe he's been around that long - I had him being cut as a rookie :lol:

[Waldo]

I've always been high on Jolly... Jolly should certainly be starting ahead of Harrell.

Haven't seen enough of Wynn to form a solid opinion yet, but I liked what I saw... have to take the competition into acct though.

Can't believe Montgomery is still on the team... roster says he's in his 5th year - wow, can't believe he's been around that long - I had him being cut as a rookie :lol:

I believe their starting OL played the whole first half, including both Thomas and Mack.

[SkinBasket]

Bishop's now depth charted behind Hawk, FWIW at this point. It'll be interesting to compare them if they play the same position and have the same responsibilities come this weekend.