Vince Young - is the magic gone?

[Partial]

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This guy just needs a fresh start. He needs to go to a team with a good QB oriented coach, and sit for a year, then be able to compete for the starters job. He has all the talent in the world, and I'm confident that he'll get it together.

[Scott Campbell]

In terms of being the second coming, he's a poor mans Joey Harrington.

[Partial]

In terms of being the second coming, he's a poor mans Joey Harrington.

That's unfair. He has way more raw talent.

[Tony Oday]

Young is a head case

[Bretsky]

I don't think the magic was ever there; perhaps the talent...

[sheepshead]

In terms of being the second coming, he's a poor mans Joey Harrington.

That's unfair. He has way more raw talent.

I never thought he was a legit NFL QB. Entertained us all in college, but lots of guys have.

[HarveyWallbangers]

His arm just isn't good enough. He has athleticism, but his shotput delivery is too slow and he just isn't accurate enough. NFL defenses quickly realized how one dimensional he is. Great college QB though.

[Carolina_Packer]

Get back to me when he can finally read a defense. Perhaps they are wasting his skill set by trying in vain to make him a starting QB. He might be better served (and the team for that matter) by making him a slash type player, running some wildcat-type formations, like Vick will run with Philly, especially if Patrick Ramsey beats him out for the backup job.

[Lurker64]

Barring a miracle, he's just not going to make it in the NFL as a QB, but very few people do. You just don't become an elite NFL player at QB through athleticism alone. Just another top 5 bust... but then again, most drafted players don't work out in the NFL regardless of position or draft position.

[Bossman641]

..is the magic gone?

Someone once told me, repeatedly, that VY is an elite quarterback that just wins games. I think it is too early to judge him. :lol:

[Bossman641]

On a side note, is anyone besides me stockpiling canned goods?

First Partial has been giving Rodgers props for the better part of a week, and now he sort of questions VY.

[Scott Campbell]

Would you trade him straight up for Brian Brohm? Matt Flynn?

[sheepshead]

On a side note, is anyone besides me stockpiling canned goods?

First Partial has been giving Rodgers props for the better part of a week, and now he sort of questions VY.




:lol: :lol:

[Tarlam!]

Would you trade him straight up for Brian Brohm? Matt Flynn?

Yes. And, No.

Brohm is nothing so far as a 3rd string, so the only way to go is up. Brohm may turn out to be great, but right now, Young would be an improvement.

Flynn has shown he can play. He can read defenses and probably he has upside in the pro game, something Young's critics are feeding off of, since they will tell us he doesn't have it. So, despite Vince being a #3 pick and Matt being a 7th rounder, if I am TT, I keep Flynn at face value.

[mraynrand]

In terms of being the second coming, he's a poor mans Joey Harrington.

"In the year after Favre..."

[Cheesehead Craig]

Nope, Young is done. He could kick ass on a Battle of the Network Stars or something like that.

[MichiganPackerFan]

Would you trade him straight up for Brian Brohm? Matt Flynn?

I still want my Gilbert Burger in exchange for Brohm. But I guess if you need to throw in VY too...

[CaptainKickass]

I'd actually be in favor of dumping Brohm and retaining Vince Young as the #3 QB.

I'd really enjoy a guy like him who can play as a /slash type player, with starting NFL experience which could actually be used in a regular season game this season.

Hanging on to Brohm means we have a guy on the roster who isn't capable of helping us win on any given Sunday. Hell - I don't think the coaches would even trust him to "pitch in" a little bit. He basically takes up a roster spot without contributing at all this season (barring the loss of 2 QB's).

Vince Young on the other hand - could be listed as the #3 QB but actually be used for some "wildcat" and various "deception" types of plays right away.

Then maybe an offseason in McCarthy's "QB School" will help the boy mature a bit and be a servicable back up or future trade bait.

It's kinda the same way I feel about Havner, if you can get a guy to do more than 1 thing - then that's a bonus and an edge.


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[Lurker64]

Hanging on to Brohm means we have a guy on the roster who isn't capable of helping us win on any given Sunday.

Though he would allow us to take advantage of the active roster exception for the 3rd QB on every given Sunday, which a player you use could not.

[ThunderDan]

I'd actually be in favor of dumping Brohm and retaining Vince Young as the #3 QB.

Vince Young on the other hand - could be listed as the #3 QB but actually be used for some "wildcat" and various "deception" types of plays right away.




If VY was listed as the 3rd QB and played a snap before the 4th quarter neither Rodgers nor Flynn could play the rest of the game.

[Patler]

I'd actually be in favor of dumping Brohm and retaining Vince Young as the #3 QB.

Vince Young on the other hand - could be listed as the #3 QB but actually be used for some "wildcat" and various "deception" types of plays right away.




If VY was listed as the 3rd QB and played a snap before the 4th quarter neither Rodgers nor Flynn could play the rest of the game.

That's the problem with the expanding use of specialists. Coaches are having a hard time meeting the 45 man game day limit. You have true specialists in punters, kickers and long snappers; teams often have return men and "special teamers" that they hope never have to play a down on offense or defense; there are pass rushing specialists; and heavy use of 4 WR formations and dime defenses requires extra players at those positions if you feel the need to use the formations even if a regular is injured during the game.

As a result, it becomes difficult to carry 3 QBs on the game day 45 so that they can be used in any manner you want.

[MichiganPackerFan]

I'd actually be in favor of dumping Brohm and retaining Vince Young as the #3 QB.

Vince Young on the other hand - could be listed as the #3 QB but actually be used for some "wildcat" and various "deception" types of plays right away.




If VY was listed as the 3rd QB and played a snap before the 4th quarter neither Rodgers nor Flynn could play the rest of the game.

That's the problem with the expanding use of specialists. Coaches are having a hard time meeting the 45 man game day limit. You have true specialists in punters, kickers and long snappers; teams often have return men and "special teamers" that they hope never have to play a down on offense or defense; there are pass rushing specialists; and heavy use of 4 WR formations and dime defenses requires extra players at those positions if you feel the need to use the formations even if a regular is injured during the game.

As a result, it becomes difficult to carry 3 QBs on the game day 45 so that they can be used in any manner you want.

I like the results of the reduced roster that you describe above. I would hate to see expanded rosters and overly-specialized-situation players consuming the roster. I wish there were still players who worked both sides of the ball.

[CaptainKickass]

I'd actually be in favor of dumping Brohm and retaining Vince Young as the #3 QB.

Vince Young on the other hand - could be listed as the #3 QB but actually be used for some "wildcat" and various "deception" types of plays right away.




If VY was listed as the 3rd QB and played a snap before the 4th quarter neither Rodgers nor Flynn could play the rest of the game.

That's the problem with the expanding use of specialists. Coaches are having a hard time meeting the 45 man game day limit. You have true specialists in punters, kickers and long snappers; teams often have return men and "special teamers" that they hope never have to play a down on offense or defense; there are pass rushing specialists; and heavy use of 4 WR formations and dime defenses requires extra players at those positions if you feel the need to use the formations even if a regular is injured during the game.

As a result, it becomes difficult to carry 3 QBs on the game day 45 so that they can be used in any manner you want.


Hell, list him as a TE or RB for all I care, or whatever position gives you the flexibility to use him in such a fashion. And give the "emergency" QB title to him instead of...who was it, Ruvell Martin(?).

It can be done.

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[Patler]

I'd actually be in favor of dumping Brohm and retaining Vince Young as the #3 QB.

Vince Young on the other hand - could be listed as the #3 QB but actually be used for some "wildcat" and various "deception" types of plays right away.




If VY was listed as the 3rd QB and played a snap before the 4th quarter neither Rodgers nor Flynn could play the rest of the game.

That's the problem with the expanding use of specialists. Coaches are having a hard time meeting the 45 man game day limit. You have true specialists in punters, kickers and long snappers; teams often have return men and "special teamers" that they hope never have to play a down on offense or defense; there are pass rushing specialists; and heavy use of 4 WR formations and dime defenses requires extra players at those positions if you feel the need to use the formations even if a regular is injured during the game.

As a result, it becomes difficult to carry 3 QBs on the game day 45 so that they can be used in any manner you want.


Hell, list him as a TE or RB for all I care, or whatever position gives you the flexibility to use him in such a fashion. And give the "emergency" QB title to him instead of...who was it, Ruvell Martin(?).

It can be done.

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It doesn't matter what you call him, its whether you want to use up one of the 45 spots on the game day roster for a guy who plays just a few snaps. You can call all 3 QBs, if you want to, it doesn't matter. It comes down to whether or not he is one of the 45, or occupies the limited role available to the designated emergency QB as a 46th spot.

The easiest would be to list your true backup QB as the emergency QB. If the starter gets hurt, you bring him in and resign yourself to not using those special plays designed for the other QB.

[sharpe1027]

It doesn't matter what you call him, its whether you want to use up one of the 45 spots on the game day roster for a guy who plays just a few snaps. You can call all 3 QBs, if you want to, it doesn't matter. It comes down to whether or not he is one of the 45, or occupies the limited role available to the designated emergency QB as a 46th spot.

The easiest would be to list your true backup QB as the emergency QB. If the starter gets hurt, you bring him in and resign yourself to not using those special plays designed for the other QB.

Why not list your 3rd-string LBer as your first QB and your 3rd-string TE as your backup QB? If you have to play your emergency backup...shucks you can't play those two.

** edit ** Nevermind, I looked up the rule. The NFL puts out a list of "bona fide" QBs that must be counted as QBs.

[Southoftheborder]

While I believe he is a head case, he does have some special skills.

My biggest issue with the trade is the amount of money we would have to pay on his contract. We don't need his salary cap drain this year when we have next year's free agents to extend before the end of the season.

[bobblehead]

What is he...like 6'4" about 250lbs.?? How do you think he would fit in on the 3-4 base package?? :shock:

[SnakeLH2006]

Topic Reply:

The magic was gone when he went pro and realized his raw talent couldn't trump his bonehead brain.

Snake never liked Vince Young since I lost $300 bucks in Vegas at MGM Grand with my buddy in 2006, during the Rose Bowl. Snake was betting on USC covering the spread (+8).

What a terrible fucking day.... My buddy put $500 on Texas winning by a TD (woulda payed huge...but alas a 3 pt. win for Texas)....

We drank ourselves into oblivion that day 3 years ago. Lots of mixers and shots at the Palms that night. My buddy was so pissed he almost killed a bookie later on....(as he went back to MGM that nite to place more losing bets).

Bottom Line: At least Karma kicked in. Vince Young and Matt Leinhart suck as NFL QB's. :evil: 8-)

[ThunderDan]

Bump.

[Bretsky]

I will say this; 6-8 game stretch

I'd rather see Vince Young than Graham Cracker Harrell

I have little hope either would succeed though

[pbmax]

Who did we lose Lurker to?

[KYPack]

I will say this; 6-8 game stretch

I'd rather see Vince Young than Graham Cracker Harrell

I have little hope either would succeed though

With you 100% B-Man.

Harrell can't even properly execute a hand-off.

VY? maybe he'll take the 3 job seriously and help us somehow.

[pbmax]

Harrell had his best camp day ever today according to Dunne. He is rising to the challenge of Uncle Rico.

[Joemailman]

Who did we lose Lurker to?

Lurker's last post was 1-8-2013, 4 days before the playoff loss to SF. Must have taken it pretty hard.

[Bretsky]

Lurker's last post was 1-8-2013, 4 days before the playoff loss to SF. Must have taken it pretty hard.

Where did that pecker go ? I was on the lookout for him during draft day ? He offered lots of good draft insight and often told me I was wrong....which was cool.