Seriously people

[SkinBasket]

Back your shit up on physical media. I was a week from doing it. Then the heads on our hard drive failed so hard they destroyed the platters. We were willing to pay $1200 to recover the data - just to make sure we weren't missing anything, but they can't. I also have 95% of the same data on the drive I had transferred it from a few months ago. In that time, that drive also failed - on a less physical level, so there is still high hopes for an almost complete recovery. But we're still one failed recovery effort away from losing 10 years of digital photos, illegal music downloads, and hundreds of hours of creative and professional work.

[Zool]

Hard drives are so ridiculously cheap now that there's no reason to not at least have a RAID 0 setup(where 2 drives are mirrored to contain the same data). Most motherboards in the last 3 years support it. In ADDITION to a raid you should also have an external USB drive running backups weekly.

DVD backups of specific things you want to make sure and save(i.e. digital photos) are always a really good idea and cheap to do.

Leaving your computer on and not having the drives spin down for power save actually extends the life of your drive.

[Freak Out]

After losing a fuck load of digital photos a couple of years ago (my wife will never let me forget it) I do what Zardoz is suggesting. I have two external hardrives I back all the digital media up on once a week and I keep electronic financial and personal files backed up to smaller drives. I do have a raid setup on a gaming rig but don't keep any other files stored on it...I just wanted better performance. That is coming to and end though and I'm going to start using SSDs on my game box.

[Scott Campbell]

Raid? No thanks.

http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/mediasmart-server/#/Why/


If you don't want to build a Windows Home Server yourself, just buy one like the one in the link above. I've seen them as low as $250. Backups are automatic and nightly. But it does far more than just backups, and it is easily the best Microsoft product that I've ever owned.

[SkinBasket]

Yeah, I've always left our computer running to reduce the stress on moving parts and the expansion/contraction of the boards.

Apparently the heads broke and skidded against the platter for half a day before I noticed the system was down.

Backing the shit up got delayed and I was lazy because I knew I had the old HDD. What a shitstorm.

Something tells me I'm going to be storing DVDs in a fireproof safe from now on.

[SkinBasket]

Raid? No thanks.

http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/mediasmart-server/#/Why/


If you don't want to build a Windows Home Server yourself, just buy one like the one in the link above. I've seen them as low as $250. Backups are automatic and nightly. But it does far more than just backups, and it is easily the best Microsoft product that I've ever owned.

Essentially this machine was our media server. Without the back-up. Which in hindsight was kind of an important omission.

[Scott Campbell]

Raid? No thanks.

http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/mediasmart-server/#/Why/


If you don't want to build a Windows Home Server yourself, just buy one like the one in the link above. I've seen them as low as $250. Backups are automatic and nightly. But it does far more than just backups, and it is easily the best Microsoft product that I've ever owned.

Essentially this machine was our media server. Without the back-up. Which in hindsight was kind of an important omission.


This thing is strictly a server - no keyboard or monitor. If you run multiple PC's, it'll handle the backups on all of them. The other thing you could do is run "Folder Synch". It's free ware that will synch the contents of designated folders across your network. But it's a little more manual.

Is your porn collection intact?

[Kiwon]

You guys are scaring me.

The fail rate for mobile HDD are high?

What's the best solution for a family scattered around the world? On-line backups?

The media server solution looks good but what can go wrong with them? Won't they eventually fail at some point themselves? You know, 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, Murphy's Law, etc.

[Scott Campbell]

You guys are scaring me.

The fail rate for mobile HDD are high?

What's the best solution for a family scattered around the world? On-line backups?

The media server solution looks good but what can go wrong with them? Won't they eventually fail at some point themselves? You know, 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, Murphy's Law, etc.


Yeah, any hard drive will fail sooner or later. But the point is that your chances of the server failing at the same time that a main rig fails is pretty much non existent - unless you have a fire or something.

In a perfect world we'd all keep daily backups off-site. The media server isn't perfect, but it beats the crap out of what most people are doing. And it's ridiculously easy and cheap to set up and automate for nightly backups. I don't have to "do" anything. I have a little green button in my system tray that lets me know that both machines are backed up daily. If it turns yellow, something went wrong. Easy, cheap and more robust are the reasons I'd recommend it.

But admittedly, I'm not an IT guy.

[mraynrand]

You guys are scaring me.

The fail rate for mobile HDD are high?

What's the best solution for a family scattered around the world? On-line backups?

The media server solution looks good but what can go wrong with them? Won't they eventually fail at some point themselves? You know, 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, Murphy's Law, etc.


Yeah, any hard drive will fail sooner or later. But the point is that your chances of the server failing at the same time that a main rig fails is pretty much non existent - unless you have a fire or something.

In a perfect world we'd all keep daily backups off-site. The media server isn't perfect, but it beats the crap out of what most people are doing. And it's ridiculously easy and cheap to set up and automate for nightly backups. I don't have to "do" anything. I have a little green button in my system tray that lets me know that both machines are backed up daily. If it turns yellow, something went wrong. Easy, cheap and more robust are the reasons I'd recommend it.

But admittedly, I'm not an IT guy.

I don't know what to do - I'm up over 2 terabytes with digitizing Packer games. And now the f'ing HD games take up 30gb each. I can't back that up, and I have to jump through hoops to make the backup ignore the places where those are stored. Annoying. I wish the NF fucking L would sell games on blu ray.

[Scott Campbell]

You guys are scaring me.

The fail rate for mobile HDD are high?

What's the best solution for a family scattered around the world? On-line backups?

The media server solution looks good but what can go wrong with them? Won't they eventually fail at some point themselves? You know, 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, Murphy's Law, etc.


Yeah, any hard drive will fail sooner or later. But the point is that your chances of the server failing at the same time that a main rig fails is pretty much non existent - unless you have a fire or something.

In a perfect world we'd all keep daily backups off-site. The media server isn't perfect, but it beats the crap out of what most people are doing. And it's ridiculously easy and cheap to set up and automate for nightly backups. I don't have to "do" anything. I have a little green button in my system tray that lets me know that both machines are backed up daily. If it turns yellow, something went wrong. Easy, cheap and more robust are the reasons I'd recommend it.

But admittedly, I'm not an IT guy.

I don't know what to do - I'm up over 2 terabytes with digitizing Packer games. And now the f'ing HD games take up 30gb each. I can't back that up, and I have to jump through hoops to make the backup ignore the places where those are stored. Annoying. I wish the NF fucking L would sell games on blu ray.



My server is at 6TB now, and it could easily be at 9TB with the new cheap 1.5's available. Windows Home Server allows you to specify which folders to backup.

[Zool]

You guys are scaring me.

The fail rate for mobile HDD are high?

What's the best solution for a family scattered around the world? On-line backups?

The media server solution looks good but what can go wrong with them? Won't they eventually fail at some point themselves? You know, 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, Murphy's Law, etc.


Yeah, any hard drive will fail sooner or later. But the point is that your chances of the server failing at the same time that a main rig fails is pretty much non existent - unless you have a fire or something.

In a perfect world we'd all keep daily backups off-site. The media server isn't perfect, but it beats the crap out of what most people are doing. And it's ridiculously easy and cheap to set up and automate for nightly backups. I don't have to "do" anything. I have a little green button in my system tray that lets me know that both machines are backed up daily. If it turns yellow, something went wrong. Easy, cheap and more robust are the reasons I'd recommend it.

But admittedly, I'm not an IT guy.

I don't know what to do - I'm up over 2 terabytes with digitizing Packer games. And now the f'ing HD games take up 30gb each. I can't back that up, and I have to jump through hoops to make the backup ignore the places where those are stored. Annoying. I wish the NF fucking L would sell games on blu ray.



My server is at 6TB now, and it could easily be at 9TB with the new cheap 1.5's available. Windows Home Server allows you to specify which folders to backup.

The built in backup software allows you to do incremental backups too. Theres really no need to backup your OS and this is where the local RAID comes in. If one drive on your workstation fails, the other picks up and goes. When you replace the bad drive in the mirror, it rebuilds the mirror.

[Scott Campbell]

The built in backup software allows you to do incremental backups too. Theres really no need to backup your OS and this is where the local RAID comes in. If one drive on your workstation fails, the other picks up and goes. When you replace the bad drive in the mirror, it rebuilds the mirror.


WHS will back up all PC's (and Mac's too I believe) on your network - including laptops. Can RAID do that?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Macs don't have hard drive failures or require backup.

Life without boundaries you pc tools.

[Partial]

Back your shit up on physical media. I was a week from doing it. Then the heads on our hard drive failed so hard they destroyed the platters. We were willing to pay $1200 to recover the data - just to make sure we weren't missing anything, but they can't. I also have 95% of the same data on the drive I had transferred it from a few months ago. In that time, that drive also failed - on a less physical level, so there is still high hopes for an almost complete recovery. But we're still one failed recovery effort away from losing 10 years of digital photos, illegal music downloads, and hundreds of hours of creative and professional work.

Cloud storage is the answer. S3 is cheap, and I'm sure there is even cheaper stuff out there.

Too bad xdrive wasn't still around. That was an awesome application.

[Partial]

Macs don't have hard drive failures or require backup.

Life without boundaries you pc tools.

Highest customer satisfaction baby. It must be sad to be as unsatisfied as you.

[Scott Campbell]

Back your shit up on physical media. I was a week from doing it. Then the heads on our hard drive failed so hard they destroyed the platters. We were willing to pay $1200 to recover the data - just to make sure we weren't missing anything, but they can't. I also have 95% of the same data on the drive I had transferred it from a few months ago. In that time, that drive also failed - on a less physical level, so there is still high hopes for an almost complete recovery. But we're still one failed recovery effort away from losing 10 years of digital photos, illegal music downloads, and hundreds of hours of creative and professional work.

Cloud storage is the answer. S3 is cheap, and I'm sure there is even cheaper stuff out there.

Too bad xdrive wasn't still around. That was an awesome application.


I just used the S3 storage cost calculator and came up with $750/mo. Maybe I did something wrong.

[mraynrand]

You guys are scaring me.

The fail rate for mobile HDD are high?

What's the best solution for a family scattered around the world? On-line backups?

The media server solution looks good but what can go wrong with them? Won't they eventually fail at some point themselves? You know, 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, Murphy's Law, etc.


Yeah, any hard drive will fail sooner or later. But the point is that your chances of the server failing at the same time that a main rig fails is pretty much non existent - unless you have a fire or something.

In a perfect world we'd all keep daily backups off-site. The media server isn't perfect, but it beats the crap out of what most people are doing. And it's ridiculously easy and cheap to set up and automate for nightly backups. I don't have to "do" anything. I have a little green button in my system tray that lets me know that both machines are backed up daily. If it turns yellow, something went wrong. Easy, cheap and more robust are the reasons I'd recommend it.

But admittedly, I'm not an IT guy.

I don't know what to do - I'm up over 2 terabytes with digitizing Packer games. And now the f'ing HD games take up 30gb each. I can't back that up, and I have to jump through hoops to make the backup ignore the places where those are stored. Annoying. I wish the NF fucking L would sell games on blu ray.



My server is at 6TB now, and it could easily be at 9TB with the new cheap 1.5's available. Windows Home Server allows you to specify which folders to backup.

it's pretty slow backing that up, but only on initial back-up. After that, it only backs up newly added stuff. It's faster than I thought. Still, annoying. (And I still hate the NFL stranglehold on games)

[Zool]

The built in backup software allows you to do incremental backups too. Theres really no need to backup your OS and this is where the local RAID comes in. If one drive on your workstation fails, the other picks up and goes. When you replace the bad drive in the mirror, it rebuilds the mirror.


WHS will back up all PC's (and Mac's too I believe) on your network - including laptops. Can RAID do that?

Yup. Anything on a RAID is constantly mirrored to another drive. You're using a RAID 5 in your Windows server.

[Scott Campbell]

The built in backup software allows you to do incremental backups too. Theres really no need to backup your OS and this is where the local RAID comes in. If one drive on your workstation fails, the other picks up and goes. When you replace the bad drive in the mirror, it rebuilds the mirror.


WHS will back up all PC's (and Mac's too I believe) on your network - including laptops. Can RAID do that?

Yup. Anything on a RAID is constantly mirrored to another drive. You're using a RAID 5 in your Windows server.


Ok, but how do you get that to work on a laptop?

[Partial]

Back your shit up on physical media. I was a week from doing it. Then the heads on our hard drive failed so hard they destroyed the platters. We were willing to pay $1200 to recover the data - just to make sure we weren't missing anything, but they can't. I also have 95% of the same data on the drive I had transferred it from a few months ago. In that time, that drive also failed - on a less physical level, so there is still high hopes for an almost complete recovery. But we're still one failed recovery effort away from losing 10 years of digital photos, illegal music downloads, and hundreds of hours of creative and professional work.

Cloud storage is the answer. S3 is cheap, and I'm sure there is even cheaper stuff out there.

Too bad xdrive wasn't still around. That was an awesome application.


I just used the S3 storage cost calculator and came up with $750/mo. Maybe I did something wrong.

Holy crap how much are you backing up?

[Scott Campbell]

Back your shit up on physical media. I was a week from doing it. Then the heads on our hard drive failed so hard they destroyed the platters. We were willing to pay $1200 to recover the data - just to make sure we weren't missing anything, but they can't. I also have 95% of the same data on the drive I had transferred it from a few months ago. In that time, that drive also failed - on a less physical level, so there is still high hopes for an almost complete recovery. But we're still one failed recovery effort away from losing 10 years of digital photos, illegal music downloads, and hundreds of hours of creative and professional work.

Cloud storage is the answer. S3 is cheap, and I'm sure there is even cheaper stuff out there.

Too bad xdrive wasn't still around. That was an awesome application.


I just used the S3 storage cost calculator and came up with $750/mo. Maybe I did something wrong.

Holy crap how much are you backing up?

~5.5TB. It's a media server.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Macs don't have hard drive failures or require backup.

Life without boundaries you pc tools.

Highest customer satisfaction baby. It must be sad to be as unsatisfied as you.

Everything goes
Well, anything goes all of the time
Everything you dream of
Is right in front of you
And everything is a lie (or) And liberty is a lie

[Partial]

Back your shit up on physical media. I was a week from doing it. Then the heads on our hard drive failed so hard they destroyed the platters. We were willing to pay $1200 to recover the data - just to make sure we weren't missing anything, but they can't. I also have 95% of the same data on the drive I had transferred it from a few months ago. In that time, that drive also failed - on a less physical level, so there is still high hopes for an almost complete recovery. But we're still one failed recovery effort away from losing 10 years of digital photos, illegal music downloads, and hundreds of hours of creative and professional work.

Cloud storage is the answer. S3 is cheap, and I'm sure there is even cheaper stuff out there.

Too bad xdrive wasn't still around. That was an awesome application.


I just used the S3 storage cost calculator and came up with $750/mo. Maybe I did something wrong.

Holy crap how much are you backing up?

~5.5TB. It's a media server.

Do you really have 5.5TB of stuff worth backing up? If so that is insane.

20GB is 11 dollars per month with a weekly backup.

Discounting porn (for those lonely nights), I have about 3gb of stuff worth keeping. If I wasn't in IT (I keep a buildable copy of every project so I can reference code at any time) I'd have about 1gb.

As for convenience stuff like movies, than I probably have 40-50gb.

[Scott Campbell]

Back your shit up on physical media. I was a week from doing it. Then the heads on our hard drive failed so hard they destroyed the platters. We were willing to pay $1200 to recover the data - just to make sure we weren't missing anything, but they can't. I also have 95% of the same data on the drive I had transferred it from a few months ago. In that time, that drive also failed - on a less physical level, so there is still high hopes for an almost complete recovery. But we're still one failed recovery effort away from losing 10 years of digital photos, illegal music downloads, and hundreds of hours of creative and professional work.

Cloud storage is the answer. S3 is cheap, and I'm sure there is even cheaper stuff out there.

Too bad xdrive wasn't still around. That was an awesome application.


I just used the S3 storage cost calculator and came up with $750/mo. Maybe I did something wrong.

Holy crap how much are you backing up?

~5.5TB. It's a media server.

Do you really have 5.5TB of stuff worth backing up? If so that is insane.

20GB is 11 dollars per month with a weekly backup.

Discounting porn (for those lonely nights), I have about 3gb of stuff worth keeping. If I wasn't in IT (I keep a buildable copy of every project so I can reference code at any time) I'd have about 1gb.

As for convenience stuff like movies, than I probably have 40-50gb.


It's not all worth backing up - mostly movies. I don't back up the movies. But I probably have close to 500 GB of home movies and pictures that I do back up, on 2 desktops and a soon to be added netbook. I don't think that amount of critical storage is particularly unusual for people with kids. And HD camcorders are only going to increase the amount of required backup space.

WHS handles both the backup and server duties. I also have a bit torrent client that runs on it so that I don't have to leave my regular PC on.

The wierdest part about it is that its unbelievably stable. I go months without restarting it. Seriously. A Microsoft product. Maybe that's because it's pretty simple and stripped down. It's not overly ambitious the way a typical OS is.

I really bought it for the server functionality. I was able to get rid of 3 HTPC's and replace them with Popcorn Hours. Much more stable, and no screwing with them once they're set up. The backup functionality was just gravy.

[Partial]

What is the HDD config on your media server? Damn, you guys must be taking a lot of big ass photos and videos. You would be amazed how much space people would save if they would save their photos at a reasonable resolution and ppi.

[Scott Campbell]

What is the HDD config on your media server? Damn, you guys must be taking a lot of big ass photos and videos. You would be amazed how much space people would save if they would save their photos at a reasonable resolution and ppi.


6 x 1TB.

I don't compress any of my photos. Though I don't shoot in RAW, so they're not that huge. Storage is dirt cheap right now, so I'm not all that inclined to save space.

[Partial]

What is the HDD config on your media server? Damn, you guys must be taking a lot of big ass photos and videos. You would be amazed how much space people would save if they would save their photos at a reasonable resolution and ppi.


6 x 1TB.

I don't compress any of my photos. Though I don't shoot in RAW, so they're not that huge. Storage is dirt cheap right now, so I'm not all that inclined to save space.

What is the redundancy on that beast if you've got 5.5gb of crap?

[Scott Campbell]

What is the HDD config on your media server? Damn, you guys must be taking a lot of big ass photos and videos. You would be amazed how much space people would save if they would save their photos at a reasonable resolution and ppi.


6 x 1TB.

I don't compress any of my photos. Though I don't shoot in RAW, so they're not that huge. Storage is dirt cheap right now, so I'm not all that inclined to save space.

What is the redundancy on that beast if you've got 5.5gb of crap?

Client = copy 1. Server = copy 2.

There's actually a 3rd copy because I folder synch between the 2 clients periodically.

[3irty1]

An old trick we used to do to squeeze a bit of extra life out of a failing hard drive is to put it in the freezer for a few hours. Afterwards plug it in and see if it works long enough to back it up. Works for about 75% of hard drive failures. Doesn't sound like this would have saved Skins porn, but in the future it might help someone else.

Btw anything but a Raid 1 config isn't reliable for back up purposes. This is what I use to back up my storage drive. I have a separate drive for my OS which I'll back up periodically with clonezilla.

[Partial]

This thread has inspired me to buy a 1TB external drive for 80 bones off Slickdeals. It's for backing up my work projects, so it's a tax deduction. Sweet action. Cannot wait to finally try out Time Machine. I'm having a hard time finding a free tool online that will allow me to upload 800mb zip file other than dropbox (which I use as a tool to transport MP3s and movies between my comps -- this is my favorite open source tool).

[Partial]

Storage server on Slickdeals.

http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?t=1555143

[retailguy]

This thread has inspired me to buy a 1TB external drive for 80 bones off Slickdeals. It's for backing up my work projects, so it's a tax deduction. Sweet action. Cannot wait to finally try out Time Machine. I'm having a hard time finding a free tool online that will allow me to upload 800mb zip file other than dropbox (which I use as a tool to transport MP3s and movies between my comps -- this is my favorite open source tool).

Huh. I paid 99. for a 1TB drive from Walmart 3 months ago. So you saved 19 plus tax but had to wait 3 months for the drive.

I think I got a pretty good buy. :)

[SkinBasket]

This isn't funny anymore. Our PS3 blew it's HDD this morning. Nothing important on it, but what a pain in the fucking ass.

[Little Whiskey]

This isn't funny anymore. Our PS3 blew it's HDD this morning. Nothing important on it, but what a pain in the fucking ass.

lucky for you they just dropped the price on them to 299!

[SkinBasket]

This isn't funny anymore. Our PS3 blew it's HDD this morning. Nothing important on it, but what a pain in the fucking ass.

lucky for you they just dropped the price on them to 299!

You're free to change/upgrade the PS3 HDD at any time with any 2.5" SATA drive. So it'll only run $45 to fix. Like I said, just a pain in the ass. That and nutz's Street Fighter progress will be lost.

[SnakeLH2006]

Back your shit up on physical media. I was a week from doing it. Then the heads on our hard drive failed so hard they destroyed the platters. We were willing to pay $1200 to recover the data - just to make sure we weren't missing anything, but they can't. I also have 95% of the same data on the drive I had transferred it from a few months ago. In that time, that drive also failed - on a less physical level, so there is still high hopes for an almost complete recovery. But we're still one failed recovery effort away from losing 10 years of digital photos, illegal music downloads, and hundreds of hours of creative and professional work.

WTF, Skin? $1200. Snake is absorbed into NET/Comp needs 110%....I'd have done it for $1195. But seriously....what? Snake is an Internet phenom. I'd have done that for a case of beer and some good bratwursts. What? Computers are easy. WTF? U Got Robbed, Skin. Damn, bro. I know comps like my own balls (yeah easy and sexy). You got raped. Call the Snake (PM me next time). Damn.

[Little Whiskey]

Back your shit up on physical media. I was a week from doing it. Then the heads on our hard drive failed so hard they destroyed the platters. We were willing to pay $1200 to recover the data - just to make sure we weren't missing anything, but they can't. I also have 95% of the same data on the drive I had transferred it from a few months ago. In that time, that drive also failed - on a less physical level, so there is still high hopes for an almost complete recovery. But we're still one failed recovery effort away from losing 10 years of digital photos, illegal music downloads, and hundreds of hours of creative and professional work.

WTF, Skin? $1200. Snake is absorbed into NET/Comp needs 110%....I'd have done it for $1195. But seriously....what? Snake is an Internet phenom. I'd have done that for a case of beer and some good bratwursts. What? Computers are easy. WTF? U Got Robbed, Skin. Damn, bro. I know comps like my own balls (yeah easy and sexy). You got raped. Call the Snake (PM me next time). Damn.

I'll go "office space" on that hard drive for 10 bucks.

[Zool]

Apparently Snake owns a clean room?

[Deputy Nutz]

Fuck, my Street Fight IV is all fucked up? That game was my bitch now I gotta prove myself all over again.

[Little Whiskey]

Fuck, my Street Fight IV is all fucked up? That game was my bitch now I gotta prove myself all over again.

just got my PS3 (right before the price drop, bastards!!) these f-ing downloads suck balls. I logged on to play Socom a few weeks back. 1/2hour PS3 update followed by a 1/2hour Socom update. didn't really notice much difference. some colors changed. I haven't played since. i know another major download is comming, wonder how long that one will take

[SkinBasket]

Fuck, my Street Fight IV is all fucked up? That game was my bitch now I gotta prove myself all over again.

just got my PS3 (right before the price drop, bastards!!) these f-ing downloads suck balls. I logged on to play Socom a few weeks back. 1/2hour PS3 update followed by a 1/2hour Socom update. didn't really notice much difference. some colors changed. I haven't played since. i know another major download is comming, wonder how long that one will take

You on dial-up or something? I've never waited longer than 10-15 minutes for a download/install... and that was back in the early days.

the system updates usually only come along every few months and most are small - take a couple minutes. The game updates are going to be a fact of life any time you put a game in for the first time or if it's been a while.

Just popped the new drive in and the system does everything for you. Kind of nice. Now I just have to download whatever shit I had on here before.

[Little Whiskey]

no dialup, I have DSL thru ATT.

the original Socom Update was 45 minutes. That was a few months ago. this new one was supposed to fix a bunch of glitch spots and added a online tourneys. the next one is supposed to add maps and a few other features.

[SnakeLH2006]

Wow...this turned into a PS3/Xbox 360 den. But that's ok. I got Mazzin as a friend on 360, but Snake's got a Wii/360/PS3....and EVERY fucking GAME. Hit me up on PM or on this thread for my screennames. I'd love to play any of ya! I'll add ya. I'm a shooter beast (ala Call of Duty, SOCOM), like fighters (Fight Night, UFC 2009, Soul Caliber 4, SFIV) and sports games too (Madden 10, NBA 2k9 basketball).

..Got all 3 systems, but mainly a 360 guy. So send your screennames or post 'em up on here. No promises I'll be on much till it gets colder though, as I haven't played much this summer at all.