Official Non-Packer Games Thread

[Brando19]

Holly crap the Vikings suck. Why couldn't we have played them late in the year?

[denverYooper]

Holly crap the Vikings suck. Why couldn't we have played them late in the year?

Yeah, at Lambeau, to boot... :lol:

[denverYooper]

It's wierd watchng Cutler and thinking "get rid of it, the pressures coming". Normally I'm hoping he gets crushed. Just strange rooting for them.

agreed. first time that i ever remember cheering for the bears.

I'm about ready to start singing Bear Down.

[gbgary]

Holly crap the Vikings suck. Why couldn't we have played them late in the year?

the Pack was still figuring things out when we played them early on. it might be a different game today. hopefully it would be if the coaches learned anything.

[gbgary]

chilly looks like an ice fisherman.

[RashanGary]

In Favre's defense, it's been a tough game and he's not making the big mistake. When the Viking offense is off, it looks like the Packer offense when they're off.


Rice, Peterson, Shiancoe, Barrian and Harvin are a good group. They're going to have to open it up. I picture Lovie dialing up some pressure at some point. Favre might find himself in trouble here tonight.

[RashanGary]

This is a huge game for the Vikings. They're going to pull out all stops. Favre better pray for pass protection because the Bears, at some point, are going to be coming hard.

[RashanGary]

Guden gives one sexy blow job. My gosh, tease a little Jon.

[Bretsky]

This is a huge game for the Vikings. They're going to pull out all stops. Favre better pray for pass protection because the Bears, at some point, are going to be coming hard.


earlier in the year when you blitzed Favre he made you pay; tonight he's missed some great opportunities with poor passes. Cost them some huge plays. He looks like he's starting to get in a bit of a groove now

[Bretsky]

Sydney Rice is becoming a great WR

[RashanGary]

After the Seahawk game another reporter said, "boy, with Tausher back, you've sure gotten our offensive woe's fixed".

Rodgers responded by saying something like, "well, our offensive philosophy has really helped keep defenses vanilla. With Finley we've been going more 4 wide and defenses can either pressure or play coverage, it's a little simpler".



Watching the Vikings here in the 2nd half, they're spreading it out. The Bears are being forced to show their hand, just like Rodgers is saying he likes here.


Favre looks hot. He has the eye of the tiger right now. Bears offense can punch back, but at some point their defense is going to have to make a play too.

[RashanGary]

Sydney Rice is becoming a great WR


He is a great player. He had a decent rookie year. I drafted him last year in my only fantasy draft ever, but he got injured and wasn't really right.

Now he's got a good QB, he's healthy and he's got a little experience in the offense. He's a talented player, for sure. Great hands.

[MJZiggy]

Ref's kinda hot.

[RashanGary]

Cutler is an idiot. To Favre's credit, nothing was gonig right, but he held onto the ball and now his team has a chance.

[RashanGary]

Ref's kinda hot.


Thanks for bringing that interesting and relevant commentary :) :)

[gbgary]

the real jay cutler has arrived. dang it.

[RashanGary]

the real jay cutler is poking his head out. dang it.


In a way you have to be happy that this idiot is in our division, is getting paid like a star and the Bears gave up way too many draft picks for him.


On the other hand, Favre has stuck it to us enough this season. Don't give this one away you idiot.

[MJZiggy]

Ref's kinda hot.


Thanks for bringing that interesting and relevant commentary :) :)

The refs are an important part of the game!!

[RashanGary]

Vikings have really had the Bears off balance. The Bears keep rushing with lane integrity to stop the run and that is leaving Favre with a ton of time.


Finally they rush up field and get a sack.

[RashanGary]

This is just not going good at all. Now their only credible corner is out. Cutler is on the sideline laughing like a retard :lol:


The Bears definitely deserve their record. Cutler is an idiot.

[Rastak]

This doesn't look good.

[RashanGary]

This doesn't look good.

I'm guessing broken rib/collapsed lung or something like that.

[Rastak]

What a dumb fucking call.

[Rastak]

This doesn't look good.

I'm guessing broken rib/collapsed lung or something like that.


Yep.

[denverYooper]

Come on Cutler, you dog. Pull this one out.

[RashanGary]

Come on Cutler, you dog. Pull this one out.


I know what he's trying to do, he's trying not to let the bad move get to him so he's laughing but it jsut shows immaturity too.

That was just a dumb ass throw. It's not funny, not at all. WE have a young QB too and our guy never makes that throw, not once all season.

[Bretsky]

What a dumb fucking call.

3rd and a long too; if Chilly is trying to show us he's a running team it's not working too well

[Bretsky]

that was a good time for BF to audible as well

The Vikes should bring the house after Cutler now

[Bretsky]

that was a good time for BF to audible as well

The Vikes should bring the house after Cutler now


OR they can rush 4 vs 6 blockers and give Cutler a chance

[Rastak]

that was a good time for BF to audible as well

The Vikes should bring the house after Cutler now


Agree to a point. I guess since it's the Bears it might work.

[Fred's Slacks]

the real jay cutler is poking his head out. dang it.


In a way you have to be happy that this idiot is in our division, is getting paid like a star and the Bears gave up way too many draft picks for him.


On the other hand, Favre has stuck it to us enough this season. Don't give this one away you idiot.

Cutler with the Bears makes me nervous. He's a dumbass hence the INT totals this year, but he makes some throws that nobody else can make. If they get a coach who can reign him in he could be a pain for us for many years. Thank god they don't have any high picks this year to help fill holes.

[gbgary]

that was a good time for BF to audible as well

The Vikes should bring the house after Cutler now


OR they can rush 4 vs 6 blockers and give Cutler a chance


i think they should just rush three. we all know how well that works.

[Bretsky]

that was a good time for BF to audible as well

The Vikes should bring the house after Cutler now


Agree to a point. I guess since it's the Bears it might work.


same scenario; they rushed five this time and dropped Allen and it confused da Bears for a sack

[Bretsky]

On 3rd and a long two Favre had Sydney Rice man on man versus a weak CB with no safety help

All this talk of Chilly not liking Favre to audible; MN stacks the line against a run yet they run and it fails.

That CB was back pedaling on Rice like he was going to give him 5-10 yards

I wonder if the muck from last week makes Favre less likely to audible, or I wonder if Chilly has told him to stop

[RashanGary]

Cutler with the Bears makes me nervous. He's a dumbass hence the INT totals this year, but he makes some throws that nobody else can make. If they get a coach who can reign him in he could be a pain for us for many years. Thank god they don't have any high picks this year to help fill holes.


That's true. Some of the throws he's made tonight, he's had moments of spectacular.

He's also in a brand new offense. I know he could come back next season and tear it up. He does have talent. Rocket arm with good accuracy.

[Rastak]

On 3rd and a long two Favre had Sydney Rice man on man versus a weak CB with no safety help

All this talk of Chilly not liking Favre to audible; MN stacks the line against a run yet they run and it fails.

That CB was back pedaling on Rice like he was going to give him 5-10 yards

I wonder if the muck from last week makes Favre less likely to audible, or I wonder if Chilly has told him to stop

Agree.

[Rastak]

Favre is kicking their ass.

[Bretsky]

Is Sydney Rice better than Greg Jennings ??

[Rastak]

Is Sydney Rice better than Greg Jennings ??


Not sure but he has size and hands and now seems to have route running down so he's getting damn close to Jennings level.

[Bretsky]

Terrible Terrible Special Teams

[gbgary]

lovie and cutler better not fuck this up.

[Rastak]

Nice toss.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[MJZiggy]

There's something terribly wrong in the Universe when the Bears score a touchdown and I yell, "YES!"

[gbgary]

now their dead tired d has to hold up with one minutes rest.

[RashanGary]

haha. What a game


When the Vikings spread out the Bears, Favre is just picking them apart though. Rodgers said this week that is what has helped him. Favre seems to thrive under it too.

When you spread defenses out, there is only so much they can do. It becomes predictable for a smart QB. Favre and Rodgers both seem to thrive in the 4 wide. Childress keeps trying to reign him into the heavy packages, but Favre thrives when it's spread out.

[gbgary]

There's something terribly wrong in the Universe when the Bears score a touchdown and I yell, "YES!"

lol...know what you mean. lol

[Cheesehead Craig]

now their dead tired d has to hold up with one minutes rest.
It's the Pittsburgh philosophy. MN will score quick and the Vikes D can't stop the Bears so the Bears will score the last pts of the game for the win.

It's a tried and true philosophy.

[gbgary]

they need to try to strip the ball on every play.

[ThunderDan]

Theses announcers are horrible. Whenever a player makes a play you would have thought they made the most amazing play ever in the history of the NFL.

[Rastak]

now their dead tired d has to hold up with one minutes rest.
It's the Pittsburgh philosophy. MN will score quick and the Vikes D can't stop the Bears so the Bears will score the last pts of the game for the win.

It's a tried and true philosophy.


This assumes a 40 yard kick return.

[RashanGary]

Bears keep that run integrity rush. The Vikings might as well just pass the rest of the way. Bears can't stop the pass.

[Fred's Slacks]

Is Sydney Rice better than Greg Jennings ??


Not sure but he has size and hands and now seems to have route running down so he's getting damn close to Jennings level.

I hate to say it but it is a tough call. I love Jennings but I've been slightly disapointed with him this year. Rice has him in a lot of categories, most obvious is size. Rice makes great use of that along with leaping ability and body control to make some plays Jennings cannot. Jennings is more accomplished. I hate to say Rice is better... so I won't. :lol:

[RashanGary]

This assumes a 40 yard kick return.


Well :)

[gbgary]

bears are playing way too soft in the secondary.

[MJZiggy]

now their dead tired d has to hold up with one minutes rest.
It's the Pittsburgh philosophy. MN will score quick and the Vikes D can't stop the Bears so the Bears will score the last pts of the game for the win.

It's a tried and true philosophy.


This assumes a 40 yard kick return.

What in this game leads you to believe that's not a possibility?

Dammit, why can't they stop this drive? No wonder I hate this team.

[Fred's Slacks]

Why are the bear's playing d like they have a 2 score lead?

[Rastak]

This assumes a 40 yard kick return.


Well :)


:lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:

[gbgary]

did everyone see gruden's obscene drawing? lol

[RashanGary]

Ahhh!!! :) :)

Shit!!

[gbgary]

daaaaaaaaamm it!!

[ThunderDan]

You dumb ass!!! Catch the frigging ball for the INT!!

[Bretsky]

and that would have been the game; I get the feeling a pic is coming

[TennesseePackerBacker]

It's so tough to have to cheer for the bears. It's even worse when they drop game-sealing INT's.

[Rastak]

Turned into a great game.

[RashanGary]

Just let them score and then it's a field goal for the win.

[Bretsky]

Wait, I'm confused

I know yall hate Brett Favre

But if MN wins the game means nothing for the Cards

So for the Packers sake isn't it better if the Vikes win ???

[ThunderDan]

That's 2 INT the Bears have had in thier hands and just dropped!

[Rastak]

Just let them score and then it's a field goal for the win.


Dude, it's Cutler.....

[gbgary]

Wait, I'm confused

I know yall hate Brett Favre

But if MN wins the game means nothing for the Cards

So for the Packers sake isn't it better if the Vikes win ???

hell no!! and i don't hate what's his name.

[RashanGary]

If I were the Bears, I'd play to stop everything short (give away the deep ball).


I'd get a little gutsy with my line calls so I could get pressure. If they throw one over the top and score, oh well. Then Cutler and the ST's get a chance for a field goal.

[Rastak]

I hate these close games.........

[RashanGary]

I hate these close games.........

I think your guys have this one. Bears have no answer for the passing game.

[Fred's Slacks]

Wait, I'm confused

I know yall hate Brett Favre

But if MN wins the game means nothing for the Cards

So for the Packers sake isn't it better if the Vikes win ???

We're a wild card regardless. Everyone wants to see MN lose their bye.

[Rastak]

I hate these close games.........

I think your guys have this one. Bears have no answer for the passing game.


Not so sure.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Wait, I'm confused

I know yall hate Brett Favre

But if MN wins the game means nothing for the Cards

So for the Packers sake isn't it better if the Vikes win ???

What's it matter? We really can't improve our position. I'd love to get a shot at Minny Wild-card weekend. The difference between the 5th and 6th seed really isnt that important IMO.

[RashanGary]

If I were Bears, I'd be calling time outs :)

[Bretsky]

IDIOTS

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Ty counts 2 TERRIBLE passes by Favre. Bears failed to capitalize.

[Bretsky]

true I guess

But we could have a home WC game
But then we face the Saints

[Rastak]

God I hate games like this......

[gbgary]

that lewis guy isn't on the team anymore?

[RashanGary]

haha. This is not going to end well for Bears :)

[Fred's Slacks]

true I guess

But we could have a home WC game
But then we face the Saints

How could we have a home WC game?

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Lovie not using TO's. Wow, too much confidence in his D.

[Bretsky]

that lewis guy isn't on the team anymore?


yes he is; he caught a pass tonight

[Rastak]

that lewis guy isn't on the team anymore?


He is.

[Bretsky]

Not having Shiancoe really hurts here

[gbgary]

that lewis guy isn't on the team anymore?


He is.

why did they say he was only around for a week?

[Fred's Slacks]

This is it!

[RashanGary]

Ouch. Big shot..

[Rastak]

that lewis guy isn't on the team anymore?


He is.

why did they say he was only around for a week?


At that point in time.

[gbgary]

got to put pressure on him!!!!!!

[ThunderDan]

that lewis guy isn't on the team anymore?


He is.

why did they say he was only around for a week?

When he made the TD in the SF game.

[RashanGary]

Here it is. Honestly, I think Vikes win.

[gbgary]

that lewis guy isn't on the team anymore?


He is.

why did they say he was only around for a week?


At that point in time.

oh...gotcha.

[ThunderDan]

Here it is. Honestly, I think Vikes win.

Are they going for 2 and the win? If they don't win the toss in OT I don't think they win if they do score here.

[gbgary]

blitz with the middle line backer.

[RashanGary]

I like the rushing 3. If you can get a little presure with 3, 8 guys in coverage is hard to beat in the redzone.

[Rastak]

Great game in the end.

[Rastak]

Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[MOBB DEEP]

LORD

[RashanGary]

Squib

[Rastak]

That Rice is ass kicking......fantastic throw too.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Who would I rather have with the ball in their hands at the end of the game Jaws?

Peyton Manning.
Tom Brady.

[ThunderDan]

That ball rolled when it hit the ground, no TD!!!

[MJZiggy]

Jon Gruden is really irritating.

[Bretsky]

Rastak...regardless of the ending, this had to be a fun season for you to watch

[Fred's Slacks]

That's an example of a play Jennings can't make, as good as he is.

[gbgary]

go deep here and hope for a pi call.

thought there was still time on the clock...nevermind.

[RashanGary]

Cutler is probably the best QB to have with 9 seconds here.

[Bretsky]

Jon Gruden is really irritating.


That's because you know you'd be his submissive

[Rastak]

Rastak...regardless of the ending, this had to be a fun season for you to watch


It really was. I saw how much fun you guys had with Favre as QB. I hated that SOB but when he's on your side it's fun to watch.

[gbgary]

Jon Gruden is really irritating.

very!!

[MJZiggy]

Jon Gruden is really irritating.


That's because you know you'd be his submissive

Not a chance in hell, cupcake.

[Bretsky]

Jon Gruden is really irritating.


That's because you know you'd be his submissive

Not a chance in hell, cupcake.


That is because you are Ty's cupcake :lol:

[RashanGary]

Yeah, she probably would.

If Gruden could pleasure a woman the way he does men, I think it might be worth her while :lol:

[pbmax]

Why not take a shot? They are at home, so conventional wisdom says play for the tie, but lose that toss and you face an offense that has you figured out.

[RashanGary]

I thought the Bears should have been taking time outs in the redzone too. Why let the clock run out like that. Time was not working against Minny at all down there. Leaving time on the clock did nothing but help the Bears.

[Bretsky]

Rastak...regardless of the ending, this had to be a fun season for you to watch


It really was. I saw how much fun you guys had with Favre as QB. I hated that SOB but when he's on your side it's fun to watch.


You gotta be hoping he returns next year; barring a championship, I think he willl...but it's always a painful wait

[Fred's Slacks]

Why was manning not returning that kick?

[gbgary]

come on cubs.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Why was manning not returning that kick?
He's been playing so much D that 2nd half chasing around the pass-happy MN offense he's probably gassed.

[pbmax]

Who to root for? Vikes win and Cardinals might close up shop and show nothing. I almost want to root for the Bears to win and make the Cardinals play for real. But since its a late Sunday start, they could change their mind again if Seeds 1-3 are locked up from the early games.

[Rastak]

come on cubs.


Was a nice play.......

[RashanGary]

Cutler's a brave kid. Dumb, cocky, annoying, but brave and gifted at the same time.

Nice play but Cutler, just to stand in there, under pressure and make a good throw.

[Bretsky]

Omg WHAT BAD COVERAGE

[gbgary]

they need to get another 1st down or two.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Gould is money.


edit: Wow...if that were the Packers it'd be money.

[RashanGary]

Gould is a great kicker. I think this is game.

[Rastak]

This is it.

[pbmax]

48 yarder coming up.

[Rastak]

LOL......

[gbgary]

shit head!

[RashanGary]

Haha. Ouch :)


Vikings are so blessed :)

[Zool]

Im not sure if im happy or pissed. Stupid Bears and Vikings.

[ThunderDan]

They should look for a new kicker, same with NO.

[Bretsky]

WOW; THAT GUY NEVER MISSES

[gbgary]

turn over.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Guess those 40 plus yarders aren't quite as easy as some posters suggest. :oops:

[RashanGary]

That's the concussion hit Patler and I were talking about the other day. Whiplash into turf.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

What's wrong with this Viking's line Ras? Looks like the Packer's mid-season.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

fucking gator chomp!!!!!!

[gbgary]

COME ON BEAR D!!



LOL

[RashanGary]

Guess those 40 plus yarders aren't quite as easy as some posters suggest. :oops:


What, do you think you deserve a medal or a blowjob from Gruden for that?

[pbmax]

Throw the ball at the guy who hit you? C'mon Brett. Act like you've been here before.

[ThunderDan]

How is that not 15 more on Favre for Unsportsmanlike Conduct?

[Rastak]

What's wrong with this Viking's line Ras? Looks like the Packer's mid-season.


They are playing terrible football. I have no idea why.

[Bretsky]

GREAT PLAY ON SPECIALS

[RashanGary]

Wow, what a game!

[pbmax]

Green Bay favorite son Kevin Harlan doing the radio.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Guess those 40 plus yarders aren't quite as easy as some posters suggest. :oops:


What, do you think you deserve a medal or a blowjob from Gruden for that?

Does Ty know Gruden is blowing me?

[Bretsky]

Throw the ball at the guy who hit you? C'mon Brett. Act like you've been here before.

maybe I need to see it again but I thought he spiked it into the ground in disgusty

[ThunderDan]

Throw the ball at the guy who hit you? C'mon Brett. Act like you've been here before.

maybe I need to see it again but I thought he spiked it into the ground in disgusty

Yeah 15 fucking yards if it isn't Favre, Manning or Brees!

[RashanGary]

No where to throw there.


Bears have great ST's.

[pbmax]

Throw the ball at the guy who hit you? C'mon Brett. Act like you've been here before.

maybe I need to see it again but I thought he spiked it into the ground in disgusty
You could be right. I am visualizing via radio. :lol:

Boomer thought it was at Anderson.

[Fred's Slacks]

Throw the ball at the guy who hit you? C'mon Brett. Act like you've been here before.

maybe I need to see it again but I thought he spiked it into the ground in disgusty

Which is supposed to be a penalty (for the average player).

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Throw the ball at the guy who hit you? C'mon Brett. Act like you've been here before.

maybe I need to see it again but I thought he spiked it into the ground in disgusty

You totally missed it. check the replay..you'll notice bert chortling gleefully as he did it.

[pbmax]

Danieal Manning out with calf injury.

[Fred's Slacks]

These team seem interested in establishing the ground game in OT?

[RashanGary]

Favre looks really tired right now. Just exhausted look in his eye.

[pbmax]

Wow. :shock:

[Rastak]

Throw the ball at the guy who hit you? C'mon Brett. Act like you've been here before.

maybe I need to see it again but I thought he spiked it into the ground in disgusty

Which is supposed to be a penalty (for the average player).

It seems like it's never a penalty.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

woooooooo

[RashanGary]

Oh fuck yeah!!!

[pbmax]

Ex Packer Hillenmeyer on the hit to dislodge the ball.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Finally a sherman move that pays off. Thanx Mike for cutting HH....so that this moment could occur!!

[Rastak]

Clearly a fumble.

[gbgary]

another chance for lovie and jay. can't believe it. is the third time the charm?

[RashanGary]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jG7uIJAXCcM/RsBpO6gOp1I/AAAAAAAAAjQ/8-bDeWi-ecE/s400/mike_sherman_sleeping.jpg



Why'd we cut that guy?

[Fred's Slacks]

Throw the ball at the guy who hit you? C'mon Brett. Act like you've been here before.

maybe I need to see it again but I thought he spiked it into the ground in disgusty

Which is supposed to be a penalty (for the average player).

It seems like it's never a penalty.

I've seen it called most of the time but I have also seen it overlooked here and there (or possibly missed). I'm just being a dick.

[ThunderDan]

More activity in this thread than the Packer/Seahag game!

[pbmax]

What is Gould's range? Is he good from 45 in or 40? Or am I going to have to look this up myself? :lol:

[superfan]

Im not sure if im happy or pissed. Stupid Bears and Vikings.

Same here. I can't figure out who I should be rooting for.

This game is like bad porn - not really enjoying it, but can't stop watching.

[gbgary]

More activity in this thread than the Packer/Seahag game!

hate brings out the numbers.

[gbgary]

woo hoo!!

[RashanGary]

Jay "Fuckin" Cutler!!

[pbmax]

Never mind Gould's numbers now.

Sorry Ras.

[Rastak]

Great game!

[red]

WOW

hell of a game

go bears

[superfan]

Another nice pass by Cutler. Arubawhatever might be their best WR.

[Fred's Slacks]

Had we not choked against Tampa, we'd be playing for the division next week. Sorry, had to throw that out there.

[MJZiggy]

Kiss yer bye goodbye!

[Tyrone Bigguns]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend!

[digitaldean]

Well, the Saints can send a late present to the Bears....

Peterson has ANOTHER fumble.

He's a great back. But he's WAY too fumble prone.

Nice win for the Bears, even though they had nothing to play for.

[Bretsky]

Winfield looks closer to Jarrett Bush than a solid starting CB tonight

[denverYooper]

another chance for lovie and jay. can't believe it. is the third time the charm?

YES!

HAHAHAHAH!

[ThunderDan]

Had we not choked against Tampa, we'd be playing for the division next week. Sorry, had to throw that out there.

That and Rothfglkjberger's throw!

[pbmax]

Had we not choked against Tampa, we'd be playing for the division next week. Sorry, had to throw that out there.
Now how am I supposed to sleep! :!:

[RashanGary]

Ugh. . .


I feel really dirty. .

[gbgary]

Had we not choked against Tampa, we'd be playing for the division next week. Sorry, had to throw that out there.


yup

[pbmax]

Winfield looks closer to Jarrett Bush than a solid starting CB tonight
He got abused by Carolina as well, didn't he?

[superfan]

Does this win save Lovie's job?

[imscott72]

What a game!! ADP just fumbled away the 2 seed!! I love it!!

[RashanGary]

You know what's the best part of all this?


Adrian Peterson is a bit of a goat now in Minnesota and Favre is a hero :) :)

[Bretsky]

Winfield looks closer to Jarrett Bush than a solid starting CB tonight
He got abused by Carolina as well, didn't he?


yup; he's looked lost to me and be4 the injury I think he was their best CB

[Rastak]

Kiss yer bye goodbye!


You might want to recheck things Zig. I'm sure you are all over the odds and scenarios.....or maybe not........ :wink:

[pbmax]

Bear Trolls ASSEMBLE!!!

[ThunderDan]

Bear Trolls ASSEMBLE!!!

On the Viqueens boards!

[pbmax]

Kiss yer bye goodbye!


You might want to recheck things Zig. I'm sure you are all over the odds and scenarios.....or maybe not........ :wink:
Oddly enough, I think you are rooting for the Cowboys and Packers. Might want to stock up on Pepto Bismol. :lol:

[Bretsky]

Bear Trolls ASSEMBLE!!!


Hopefully them assemble in the Vikings forum

[gbgary]

ya know...other than the Packer games this is the only other minn game i watched.

philly needs to take care of business now.

[pbmax]

Odds of Pack v. Vike playoff game just went up a touch.

[ThunderDan]

Huge missed extra point by MINN. Chicago won the ST and carried into winning the game!

[Bretsky]

ONE BLOCKED EXTRA POINT

NUTS

[pasquale]

ya know...other than the Packer games this is the only other minn game i watched.

philly needs to take care of business now.

same here, and I live in St. Paul. I avoid them like the plague.

[RashanGary]

Minnesota is making it really, really tough on themselves. They're aging a little at some important positions and now they're going to fight to the very end with no break and maybe no bye.


Next week against the Giants, on a short week, they're going to have to come out against a very bitter, angry team that has something to prove, even if it's just pride. I wouldn't want to be in a pride match against NY.

Then if things go the way they look, they'll be playing Dallas at home with no bye week, then Philly on the road, then the Saints on the road. When the Vikings don't have the noise advantage of that crazy dome, they just don't play nearly as well.


Early in the season everything was going the Vikings way. Now, I don't know if they have any better of a shot than we do.

[pasquale]

So if Philly wins next week, the Vikes lose the two spot, correct?

[sheepshead]

The hottest team in the NFC right now???!!!???

[Lurker64]

Kiss yer bye goodbye!


You might want to recheck things Zig. I'm sure you are all over the odds and scenarios.....or maybe not........ :wink:

Well, I think the scenarios are as follows:

Philly gets the bye if:
Philly wins -OR- Vikings lose

Vikings get the bye if:
Vikings win -AND- Philly loses.

Cardinals get the bye if:
Cardinals win -AND- Philly loses -AND- Vikings lose.

[RashanGary]

So if Philly wins next week, the Vikes lose the two spot, correct?

Yes. Minnesota with no bye and two road games against really good teams if they want to make it to the dance.

[gbgary]

So if Philly wins next week, the Vikes lose the two spot, correct?

i think minn has to lose too.

[pbmax]

ONE BLOCKED EXTRA POINT

NUTS
Wonder who was at fault? I bet Longwell has a Twitter account for just such occasions. :D

[RashanGary]

So if Philly wins next week, the Vikes lose the two spot, correct?

i think minn has to lose too.

If philly wins, it doesn't matter what Minny does.

[gbgary]

So if Philly wins next week, the Vikes lose the two spot, correct?

i think minn has to lose too.

If philly wins, it doesn't matter what Minny does.

good!!

[RashanGary]

65% Philly gets bye
30% Minny gets bye
5% Arizona gets bye

[Packman_26]

Cowboys can still get a bye yet as well.

[RashanGary]

This was really a huge loss for the Vikings. With home field and the bye, they had a great chance to make it to the NFC Champ game and from there, a couple ST's bounces, a little luck and bam, champion.


The Vikings have lost 4 road games now and none of the teams they lost to are as good as the Eagles or Saints (teams they'll have to go on the road against in the playoffs).


Vikings are similar to the Packers. Good team, very good team. Not quite a champion though.

[sheepshead]

Cowboys can still get a bye yet as well.


:-/

[dtown]

what happens if Philly loses, Vikings lose, and Packers win??

[Lurker64]

So if Philly wins next week, the Vikes lose the two spot, correct?

i think minn has to lose too.

If philly wins, it doesn't matter what Minny does.

Yes, since the Eagles currently have a conference record of 9-2 with one conference game to play, while the Vikings have a conference record of 8-3 with one conference game to play. If the Eagles win, it doesn't matter what the Vikings do, since Minnesota can't get to 10 conference wins. If Philly loses, however, the Cowboys would win the NFC East which would give the Vikings the bye with a win over the Giants. If Philly loses, Arizona loses, and Minnesota loses the Cowboys would get a bye with a 9-3 conference record.

If the Cowboys win, Minnesota loses, and Arizona wins then Arizona and Dallas would be tied at 11-5 with 9-3 conference records, and the next tiebreaker is common games winning percentage, which I'm not sure about.

[RashanGary]

what happens if Philly loses, Vikings lose, and Packers win??

Philly gets bye.


Only way Vikes get it is if they win and the Eagles lose. Pack has no chance.

However, if the Vikes and Eagles lose and Cardinals win, the Cardinals can get it.

[Packman_26]

Cowboys can still get a bye yet as well.


:-/
I'm not sure what that means but the Cowboys can clinch the division with a win over the Eagles. That coupled with losses by the Cardinals and the Vikings will get them a bye.

[Packman_26]

what happens if Philly loses, Vikings lose, and Packers win??

Philly gets bye.


Only way Vikes get it is if they win and the Eagles lose. Pack has no chance.

However, if the Vikes and Eagles lose and Cardinals win, the Cardinals can get it.
That's incorrect. The Eagles need to win next week in order to win the division.

[HowardRoark]

what happens if Philly loses, Vikings lose, and Packers win??

Philly gets bye.


Only way Vikes get it is if they win and the Eagles lose. Pack has no chance.

However, if the Vikes and Eagles lose and Cardinals win, the Cardinals can get it.

If Philly loses, I thought they drop to #6. That's what we want, a hot team at 6....a wildcard NFC Championship back in Green Bay.

[RashanGary]

Oh, you're right.

[MOBB DEEP]

GREAT game, vikes suck now! Frickn Iggles will get #2 seed...

[MOBB DEEP]

what happens if Philly loses, Vikings lose, and Packers win??

Philly gets bye.


Only way Vikes get it is if they win and the Eagles lose. Pack has no chance.

However, if the Vikes and Eagles lose and Cardinals win, the Cardinals can get it.

Where is the giants vikes game?

[HowardRoark]

what happens if Philly loses, Vikings lose, and Packers win??

Philly gets bye.


Only way Vikes get it is if they win and the Eagles lose. Pack has no chance.

However, if the Vikes and Eagles lose and Cardinals win, the Cardinals can get it.

Where is the giants vikes game?

Mall of America Dome

[pbmax]

Cowboys can get the #2 seed if GB wins and Vikes lose.

Eagles with loss drop to 6 if Pack wins.

I suggest: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/playoffscenario?algorithm=currentStandings

Its already been updated with the Vike/Bear result.

[RashanGary]

GREAT game, vikes suck now! Frickn Iggles will get #2 seed...


Haha.

Good team. I've said all year long to people I work with and my brothers, I know they had us early, but I've seen quite a bit of Viking football and I think they're about even with us.


Still a very good team, just like I think the Packers are a very good team. I don't think the Vikings are a champion though. Favre is good enough, but their team has some weak links on the OL and a few issues in the back seven of their defense as well as spotty coverage units.

Just a few too many weak spots, just like us. Indy, NE and the Eagles seem more complete to me.

[mission]

GREAT game, vikes suck now! Frickn Iggles will get #2 seed...


Haha.

Good team. I've said all year long to people I work with and my brothers, I know they had us early, but I've seen quite a bit of Viking football and I think they're about even with us.


Still a very good team, just like I think the Packers are a very good team. I don't think the Vikings are a champion though. Favre is good enough, but their team has some weak links on the OL and a few issues in the back seven of their defense as well as spotty coverage units.

Just a few too many weak spots, just like us.

Just like everyone else... :idea:

[Bretsky]

It sure seemed to me that MN was trying to establish the run and use the run to set up the pass in the first half

In the second half it seemed like they used many more spread formations and used the pass to set up the run.

Half two and the second strategy worked a lot better

[RashanGary]

In the second half it seemed like they used many more spread formations and used the pass to set up the run.




You know Rodgers said something yesterday that I think really applied to this. The Vikings offense, when it's struggling, looks a lot like the Packers offense struggling with pressure causing problems.

Rodgers said by spreading it out, it makes the defense more "vanilla". I think a smart QB who's in tune wiht his offense knows there is only so much a defense can do when there are 4 or 5 wide receivers. Both Favre and Rodgers are smart QB's. When the offense is in a more traditional set, defenses can really disguise coverages and that killed Rodgers early in the season. It was killing Favre early in this game.

When they spread it out with good weapons and a really smart QB, I think it becomes very hard for a defense to stop. And I agree, the Vikings are better off spread 4 wide (maybe Shiancoe as the 4th) and Peterson in the backfied. Favre was picking them apart when he had it spread out.

[Lurker64]

GREAT game, vikes suck now! Frickn Iggles will get #2 seed...


Haha.

Good team. I've said all year long to people I work with and my brothers, I know they had us early, but I've seen quite a bit of Viking football and I think they're about even with us.


Still a very good team, just like I think the Packers are a very good team. I don't think the Vikings are a champion though. Favre is good enough, but their team has some weak links on the OL and a few issues in the back seven of their defense as well as spotty coverage units.

Just a few too many weak spots, just like us.

Just like everyone else... :idea:

Well, it's a well known fact that it's much more important in the playoffs to be "getting hot at the right time" than to "be the best team". Hot teams beat better teams in the playoffs all the time. One thing that's weird about the NFC this year is the relative paucity of hot teams at this time of year. Certainly, neither the Saints nor the Vikings are hot at this point.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Your definition of hot is a bit stringent. Iggles are hot. Packers are hot. Dallas if they win are hot. Pats are hot. Colts are hot.

The idea is to get hot at the playoffs...not to be hot b4. Cards are a perfect example. They weren't hot b4.

[MOBB DEEP]

Eagles with loss drop to 6 if Pack wins.



wow..

[RashanGary]

In the NFC, the Eagles are really hot right now.

After them, we lost a tough game to a good Pitt team on the road, but they had 10 days rest. Anyway, after the Eagles, we're probably the other hot team.

[RashanGary]

After the Eagles, it's a real cluster. New Orleans is good and they get that bye/home field in the dome. That advantage alone gives them a huge edge.


Eagles/Saints at the top


and a huge cluster below. Really, I think the Packers and Vikings are the best of the next group, but anyone can beat anyone on the bottom here. Really, it's a bunch of coin tosses.

[MOBB DEEP]

Favre is good enough, but their team has some weak links on the OL and a few issues in the back seven of their defense as well as spotty coverage units.


best corner winfield gets burned on exact same play TWICE in 20 mins real time

[gbgary]

that's a pretty cool grid on that link.

[pbmax]

In the second half it seemed like they used many more spread formations and used the pass to set up the run.




You know Rodgers said something yesterday that I think really applied to this. The Vikings offense, when it's struggling, looks a lot like the Packers offense struggling with pressure causing problems.

Rodgers said by spreading it out, it makes the defense more "vanilla". I think a smart QB who's in tune wiht his offense knows there is only so much a defense can do when there are 4 or 5 wide receivers. Both Favre and Rodgers are smart QB's. When the offense is in a more traditional set, defenses can really disguise coverages and that killed Rodgers early in the season. It was killing Favre early in this game.

When they spread it out with good weapons and a really smart QB, I think it becomes very hard for a defense to stop. And I agree, the Vikings are better off spread 4 wide (maybe Shiancoe as the 4th) and Peterson in the backfied. Favre was picking them apart when he had it spread out.
Its not just the spread. He mentioned Finley specifically.

[Bretsky]

In the second half it seemed like they used many more spread formations and used the pass to set up the run.




You know Rodgers said something yesterday that I think really applied to this. The Vikings offense, when it's struggling, looks a lot like the Packers offense struggling with pressure causing problems.

Rodgers said by spreading it out, it makes the defense more "vanilla". I think a smart QB who's in tune wiht his offense knows there is only so much a defense can do when there are 4 or 5 wide receivers. Both Favre and Rodgers are smart QB's. When the offense is in a more traditional set, defenses can really disguise coverages and that killed Rodgers early in the season. It was killing Favre early in this game.

When they spread it out with good weapons and a really smart QB, I think it becomes very hard for a defense to stop. And I agree, the Vikings are better off spread 4 wide (maybe Shiancoe as the 4th) and Peterson in the backfied. Favre was picking them apart when he had it spread out.
Its not just the spread. He mentioned Finley specifically.


Neither team has a dominant OL anymore; GB's is probably weaker. I think both teams create matchup problems when they spread things out. Without Al Harris it becomes harder for GB to defend that set. But I still think the Vikings coaching staff thinks it should be using the run to set up the pass. I'm not sure the OL is dominant enough to go with that mojo.

[BallHawk]

So Under what scenario(s) could the Packers end up playing the Vikes?

[steve823]

So Under what scenario(s) could the Packers end up playing the Vikes?

If the Eagles beat the Cowboys, Giants beat the Vikings, and Cards beat us then we play the Vikings. Not sure about other scenarios ,but I know that one.

[channtheman]

So Under what scenario(s) could the Packers end up playing the Vikes?

If the Eagles beat the Cowboys, Giants beat the Vikings, and Cards beat us then we play the Vikings. Not sure about other scenarios ,but I know that one.

I think that's the only way we play the Vikings. Right now, it's very likely we play the Cardinals.

If we win, we play the Cardinals guaranteed.

[vince]

The Vikes play at noon, while the Cards/Pack and Eagles/Cowboys play simultaneous late games.

If the Vikings win at noon, the Packers/Cards rematch is assured, so that would make the Packers/Cards late game totally meaningless.

If the Giants beat the Vikes at noon, then the Cards have something very meaningful to play for. They then will have a shot at the 2 seed and a bye with a win (and a Dallas win, who plays at the same time). The Pack would play the Cowboys in the first round in that scenario. If the Eagles beat the Cowboys (and the Giants win at noon), then the Pack would face the Vikes in round 1 (assuming a Packer loss in their late game).

There's no scenario in which the Pack faces the Eagles (or the Saints obviously) in the first round whatsoever.

In a nutshell, if the Giants beat the Vikes at noon, then a Packers/Vikes first round game becomes a pretty reasonable scenario, as both the Cardinals and Eagles will be simultaneously playing for a possible bye in the late games (as would the Cowboys, but they'd need both a win and a Packer win).

The Packers are the only team (other than the Giants of course) with little to nothing on the line in terms of seeding going into the week. The Vikings game will determine if the Cards/Packers game means anything - to the Cards.

[sheepshead]

Cowboys can still get a bye yet as well.


:-/
I'm not sure what that means but the Cowboys can clinch the division with a win over the Eagles. That coupled with losses by the Cardinals and the Vikings will get them a bye.

That was one heck of a sentence still, yet , as well...

[RashanGary]

The Giants are not happy with how their season has gone. They have some pride. They've taken a whole week of NY media pounding.

The Vikings have a short week. They played a physical overtime game against the Bears.

The Giants are going to come in and try to punch Minny in the mouth. It's games like this, when teams are fatigued, that injuries become even more of a concern.

The Vikings are going to have a grudge match for themselves next Sunday at Noon. Best case, they preserve their bye. Most likely they don't get the bye but worst case, they get their asses kicked, get warn down even more and have to go on the road where they've already lost to 3 non playoff teams.

[vince]

Yup. Good point about the Vikes and fatigue. They sure look sapped of energy at this point, and what they had, they may well have spent in the second half last night. They will have their first playoff game at home regardless of what happens this week though.