OFFICIAL Game Day Thread: Bengals @ Packers

[imscott72]

Rodgers got belted again. He's going to get killed this year. What is going on with our offensive line.
I have no idea. I mean most Packer fans on here swore how much better the O-line would be this year because of the experience.

We really don't need you in here poking us with a stick right now ok? Your team has their own issues to worry about.

you have to admit he has a point. there have been a few of us not sold on the OL, but not many. take it like a man. we deserve it.

I know he has a point. We've been discussing it all day in here. We didn't need a reminder from a Bears fan on a Packer's forum.
Why not, do I dare show you where I am reminded of Bears players mistakes by Packer fans every time? Did I whine and cry about it? No. I discuss and debate my views and move on. :roll:

One big difference baddest, this is a Packer forum. What kind of reaction would I get if I went into a Bears forum and started with the "Cutler sucks" chant? I have no problem with you being here, but you have a tendency to kick us while we're down the way you word things. We don't need you in here playing "Captain Obvious" about our OL. We're quite aware of the issues.

[Brohm]

Another embarrassment for the Pack at home. This team (including MM and staff) is not ready for primetime.

[falco]

People are going to think what they want. Who the F is Falco that I should worry about what he thinks. I'm comfortable with myself..

That's a pretty good approach for you to take...should save you lots of sleepless nights.

[Partial]

I remember when people thought I was nuts when I said Clifton was still a stud. Colledge looks like a huge step down.

[Bretsky]

today we looked like a 6-10 team again

JETS win; great coaching by Rex Ryan so far

[Gunakor]

I remember when people thought I was nuts when I said Clifton was still a stud. Colledge looks like a huge step down.

Odom beat Clifton plenty before the injury today too.

[falco]

today we looked like a 6-10 team again

JETS win; great coaching by Rex Ryan so far

I put most of the fault today in MM's lap.

[retailguy]

I remember when people thought I was nuts when I said Clifton was still a stud. Colledge looks like a huge step down.

How about we put you out there? You've had about as many snaps at LT this season as Colledge has. I have more hope he'll bounce back next week than I did that Barbre will bounce back, and he played adequately today. Not great, but better.

[Brohm]

Embarrassment.

[Partial]

People are going to think what they want. Who the F is Falco that I should worry about what he thinks. I'm comfortable with myself..

That's a pretty good approach for you to take...should save you lots of sleepless nights.

Pretty sad when you have to take a shot at a guy you don't even know on an internet message board. I guess if it makes you feel better....

[MOBB DEEP]

cincy frickn brought it today...all men out there and parity abounds

[falco]

I remember when people thought I was nuts when I said Clifton was still a stud. Colledge looks like a huge step down.

How about we put you out there? You've had about as many snaps at LT this season as Colledge has. I have more hope he'll bounce back next week than I did that Barbre will bounce back, and he played adequately today. Not great, but better.

I heard Partial can throw a football like 80 yards. Maybe he can play QB for us next week... :lol:

[imscott72]

I don't even know where the Packers go from here. I think it's time to re-adjust our goals for this year. 8-8 maybe? Thompson and MM might be in the unemployment line after this year.

[Partial]

I remember when people thought I was nuts when I said Clifton was still a stud. Colledge looks like a huge step down.

How about we put you out there? You've had about as many snaps at LT this season as Colledge has. I have more hope he'll bounce back next week than I did that Barbre will bounce back, and he played adequately today. Not great, but better.

I heard Partial can throw a football like 80 yards. Maybe he can play QB for us next week... :lol:

Please stop derailing this thread and being an asshole.

[Fosco33]

Maybe these pansies will just run the clock out. Time for either another sack/hit on ARod or a chance for Jennings to catch a ball....

[falco]

People are going to think what they want. Who the F is Falco that I should worry about what he thinks. I'm comfortable with myself..

That's a pretty good approach for you to take...should save you lots of sleepless nights.

Pretty sad when you have to take a shot at a guy you don't even know on an internet message board. I guess if it makes you feel better....

lmao :lol:

[PackerTimer]

the O seems as inept as it was last year. we can't depend on miracle plays and turnovers. you've got to put drives together...that means getting first downs. why MM can't seem to get tightends to help out in pass protection is beyond me.

Yep. Can't get first downs. Sutpid penalties, questionable play calling, sacks, we seem to find ourselves in a lot of crappy down and distance situations. I sure hope they can figure this one out.

By the way, does anybody feel like a bit of aturning point in this game happened on that 3 and 34 screen at the end of the first half. Packers could have had the ball back going for a 14 point lead to end the half. There is really nothing to believe that they would have scored, but it's really a play that sticks out, ever since then it's been really ugly for the Packers.

[falco]

the O seems as inept as it was last year. we can't depend on miracle plays and turnovers. you've got to put drives together...that means getting first downs. why MM can't seem to get tightends to help out in pass protection is beyond me.

Yep. Can't get first downs. Sutpid penalties, questionable play calling, sacks, we seem to find ourselves in a lot of crappy down and distance situations. I sure hope they can figure this one out.

By the way, does anybody feel like a bit of aturning point in this game happened on that 3 and 34 screen at the end of the first half. Packers could have had the ball back going for a 14 point lead to end the half. There is really nothing to believe that they would have scored, but it's really a play that sticks out, ever since then it's been really ugly for the Packers.

definitely...reminded me of Dallas converting on 3rd and way long on that Thursday night game a few years ago.

[Brando19]

The Jets just beat the Pats!

[Brohm]

the O seems as inept as it was last year. we can't depend on miracle plays and turnovers. you've got to put drives together...that means getting first downs. why MM can't seem to get tightends to help out in pass protection is beyond me.

Yep. Can't get first downs. Sutpid penalties, questionable play calling, sacks, we seem to find ourselves in a lot of crappy down and distance situations. I sure hope they can figure this one out.

By the way, does anybody feel like a bit of aturning point in this game happened on that 3 and 34 screen at the end of the first half. Packers could have had the ball back going for a 14 point lead to end the half. There is really nothing to believe that they would have scored, but it's really a play that sticks out, ever since then it's been really ugly for the Packers.

Yep, looked like all the confidence was sucked out of them and they reverted to the tentative BS they were last year.

[Bretsky]

we need to get a score fast here

[retailguy]

The Jets just beat the Pats!

jets beat the pats, bengals beat the pack at home, and the earth rotates off of its axis...

[Brohm]

Ugly but in. Geez.

[swede]

We have seen the Bungles and they are us,

[red]

we're in big trouble if we lose clifton

the line was a giant weak spot last year and we did nothing to upgrade it. now its looking like it might be horrible this year

rodgers will die in that pocket if the line doesn't get its shit together soon

[Bretsky]

ok......but why not get the TD first ?

[Fosco33]

Hmmm, maybe they could've tried for a FG with like 8 minutes left - but no - they had to go for it all and punt... then wait 'til 45 seconds left to try that. LMAO

[Partial]

ok......but why not get the TD first ?

Was it even 4th down?

[retailguy]

ok......but why not get the TD first ?

you can't get what isn't there...

[Gunakor]

ok......but why not get the TD first ?

The TD isn't guaranteed that drive. Take the points when they are there, you need a TD and a FG anyway. I like the call.

[Packers4Glory]

undisciplined.



be lucky to see 7-9 playing this way. Other than force a couple turnovers this team does nothing well so far. You can't let the bengals come in to Green Bay and come out w/ a win. Not if you want to be a playoff team.

[Rastak]

ok......but why not get the TD first ?

you can't get what isn't there...


I completely agree with MM on that call. They have the game showing now in the Twin Cities....

[Brando19]

What are the odds of recovering on a day like today? 1 in a million?

[Partial]

Let's hope for some Brett Swain magic here...

[Fosco33]

Hey we got in the record books today:

Most Sacks, Game
7.0 Derrick Thomas, Kansas City vs. Seattle, Nov. 11, 1990
6.0 Fred Dean, San Francisco vs. New Orleans, Nov. 13, 1983
Derrick Thomas, Kansas City vs. Oakland, Sept. 6, 1998
Osi Umenyiora, N.Y. Giants vs. Philadelphia, Sept. 30, 2007
5.5 William Gay, Detroit vs. Tampa Bay, Sept. 4, 1983

5.0 Antwan Odom, Bengirls vs. Packers, Sept 20, 2009

[Bretsky]

ok......but why not get the TD first ?

Was it even 4th down?


I think it was 2nd down

[Partial]

Holy shit they got it!

[Gunakor]

GB GOT THE BALL!!!!!

[swede]

Yes.

[imscott72]

holy shit they got it..

[Partial]

Hey we got in the record books today:

Most Sacks, Game
7.0 Derrick Thomas, Kansas City vs. Seattle, Nov. 11, 1990
6.0 Fred Dean, San Francisco vs. New Orleans, Nov. 13, 1983
Derrick Thomas, Kansas City vs. Oakland, Sept. 6, 1998
Osi Umenyiora, N.Y. Giants vs. Philadelphia, Sept. 30, 2007
5.5 William Gay, Detroit vs. Tampa Bay, Sept. 4, 1983

5.0 Antwan Odom, Bengirls vs. Packers, Sept 20, 2009

JC... :(

[PackerTimer]

Hmmmmmm. Well can something good happen here. Why do they give me belief, I know it's just going to get sucked away again.

[Gunakor]

That was an OUTSTANDING onside kick by Crosby.

[Packers4Glory]

maybe its time to get Jennings involved????

nah

[imscott72]

ARGHHH....

[Rastak]

How many time outs do the pack have?

[wpony]

I just got home and did not get to see the game I guess no big loss is MM still calling the plays looks like it would be a good idea to hand the play calling over to someone else :(

[Partial]

Sure would be nice to have a big target here. Go to Finley deep.

[Bretsky]

clutch it up AROD

[Packgator]

maybe its time to get Jennings involved????

Who?

[MOBB DEEP]

2 weeks in row cincy blows it?

[Brando19]

How many time outs do the pack have?


0

[Partial]

Two awful passes by ARod. What are you doing? This might be his worst game as a starter.

[retailguy]

ok......but why not get the TD first ?

you can't get what isn't there...


I completely agree with MM on that call. They have the game showing now in the Twin Cities....

so do I, my point is that they aren't playing well enough to get a TD, so you should take the FG.

[imscott72]

Where's Jennings!!!!

[Bretsky]

gotta get a 1st here; even if it's over the middle

[Rastak]

What a finish!

[imscott72]

wow..

[Gunakor]

2 or 3 shots here.

[Bretsky]

Where's Jennings!!!!


invisible

[Partial]

Take a shot to Finley or work the corner on a 20 yard pass or so.

[Rastak]

That'll do it.

[MOBB DEEP]

DAYUM...

[Fosco33]

Wish we had that timeout we took with 6min left on Defense (when the playclock was down to 3 sec).

[imscott72]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Bossman641]

Someone please tell me what is going on. Mine cut to afternoon game at 3:15.

[Brohm]

keystone cops.

[Packers4Glory]

most overhyped team of preseason...they scare nobody.

[Partial]

God dmanit Aaron. What are you doing throwing it inthe middle of the field you tard.

[imscott72]

Wow...I'd rather lose by 10 or more than like this..

[wist43]

Well, gotta say that looked like a pretty bad football team today :(

[Bretsky]

we deserved to lose that game; it's that simple

[Brohm]

2 weeks of shitty O play. Where is our offensive genius.

[Fosco33]

Maybe it was a false start - but there was definitely 1 second left on the clock. Sideline?

[Fosco33]

we deserved to lose that game; it's that simple

We should've lost by 14 or 21 more...

[Gunakor]

God dmanit Aaron. What are you doing throwing it inthe middle of the field you tard.

Moving the ball.

The official didn't do a good job getting the ball spotted very quickly, but I don't think it would have mattered. There was time to get the ball snapped, but Finley wasn't set quick enough.

[Packers4Glory]

2 weeks of shitty O play. Where is our offensive genius.
pretty shitty playcalling too.

Jennings dropped a pass in first series and his day was basically over from then on. didn't see much attempt to involve him in the game plan at all.

[Partial]

God dmanit Aaron. What are you doing throwing it inthe middle of the field you tard.

Moving the ball.

The official didn't do a good job getting the ball spotted very quickly, but I don't think it would have mattered. There was time to get the ball snapped, but Finley wasn't set quick enough.

Everyone knew the game was over if they went over the middle.. Don't be that guy. What a dumb pass. Take the shot at the end zone or throw the ball away. Stupid play. Worst game as a Packer imo. He surely looked like a below average to horrible QB today.

[PackerTimer]

we deserved to lose that game; it's that simple

Pretty much. Maybe a loss will help get their shit together. Or maybe they just aren't that good. I guess we'll see.

[MOBB DEEP]

Someone please tell me what is going on. Mine cut to afternoon game at 3:15.

Aaron nutted up :evil:

[Partial]

7-31 without the D's picks... The D was awful, but at least they gave us a few scores. More than the offense can say.

[wist43]

we deserved to lose that game; it's that simple

Yes, they looked pretty bad today...

[Gunakor]

God dmanit Aaron. What are you doing throwing it inthe middle of the field you tard.

Moving the ball.

The official didn't do a good job getting the ball spotted very quickly, but I don't think it would have mattered. There was time to get the ball snapped, but Finley wasn't set quick enough.

Everyone knew the game was over if they went over the middle.. Don't be that guy. What a dumb pass. Take the shot at the end zone or throw the ball away. Stupid play. Worst game as a Packer imo. He surely looked like a below average to horrible QB today.

Then what the fuck was Driver running a pass route over the middle for in the first place?

[Bretsky]

we did what it took to lose that game today

[retailguy]

Someone please tell me what is going on. Mine cut to afternoon game at 3:15.

Aaron nutted up :evil:

recovered onside kick, moved ball to bengals 10 yard line. tried to spike ball to stop clock. finely not lined up, and rodgers didn't snap quick enough. game over...

[Partial]

God dmanit Aaron. What are you doing throwing it inthe middle of the field you tard.

Moving the ball.

The official didn't do a good job getting the ball spotted very quickly, but I don't think it would have mattered. There was time to get the ball snapped, but Finley wasn't set quick enough.

Everyone knew the game was over if they went over the middle.. Don't be that guy. What a dumb pass. Take the shot at the end zone or throw the ball away. Stupid play. Worst game as a Packer imo. He surely looked like a below average to horrible QB today.

Then what the fuck was Driver running a pass route over the middle for in the first place?

To draw a safety down to unflood the end zone zones? Who knows. The point is nobody throws that pass with that much time left. Dumb move.

[Packerarcher]

God dmanit Aaron. What are you doing throwing it inthe middle of the field you tard.

Moving the ball.

The official didn't do a good job getting the ball spotted very quickly, but I don't think it would have mattered. There was time to get the ball snapped, but Finley wasn't set quick enough.

Had boy wonder Rodgers not thrown the ball to yhe middle of the field they more than likely would have had another play. But I doubt it would have helped.

[Bretsky]

God dmanit Aaron. What are you doing throwing it inthe middle of the field you tard.

Moving the ball.

The official didn't do a good job getting the ball spotted very quickly, but I don't think it would have mattered. There was time to get the ball snapped, but Finley wasn't set quick enough.

Everyone knew the game was over if they went over the middle.. Don't be that guy. What a dumb pass. Take the shot at the end zone or throw the ball away. Stupid play. Worst game as a Packer imo. He surely looked like a below average to horrible QB today.

Then what the fuck was Driver running a pass route over the middle for in the first place?


He was open; AROD did the right thing by throwing it to him. DD could break a tackle...and honestly we should have been able to get another play off.

If you want to blame AROD for part of this game, he had plenty of faults to point out

[Rastak]

Maybe it was a false start - but there was definitely 1 second left on the clock. Sideline?


10 second runoff.....rendered it moot.

[PackerTimer]

7-31 without the D's picks... The D was awful, but at least they gave us a few scores. More than the offense can say.

If you try to blame this on the offense I might reach through the computer and punch you in the face. The offense sucked, the defense sucked, and special teams sucked. Lots of blame to go around.

[wpony]

why did he go over the middle with only a few seconds to go and no time outs

[Rastak]

God dmanit Aaron. What are you doing throwing it inthe middle of the field you tard.

Moving the ball.

The official didn't do a good job getting the ball spotted very quickly, but I don't think it would have mattered. There was time to get the ball snapped, but Finley wasn't set quick enough.

Everyone knew the game was over if they went over the middle.. Don't be that guy. What a dumb pass. Take the shot at the end zone or throw the ball away. Stupid play. Worst game as a Packer imo. He surely looked like a below average to horrible QB today.



Then what the fuck was Driver running a pass route over the middle for in the first place?
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Maybe that's what MM called?

[Gunakor]

God dmanit Aaron. What are you doing throwing it inthe middle of the field you tard.

Moving the ball.

The official didn't do a good job getting the ball spotted very quickly, but I don't think it would have mattered. There was time to get the ball snapped, but Finley wasn't set quick enough.

Had boy wonder Rodgers not thrown the ball to yhe middle of the field they more than likely would have had another play. But I doubt it would have helped.

They should have had another play anyway. That wouldn't have helped because Finley was not lined up quick enough, but that's no fault of Rodgers.

[Bretsky]

Maybe it was a false start - but there was definitely 1 second left on the clock. Sideline?


10 second runoff.....rendered it moot.

was that really a false start ? I didn't really see him move. The officials did a shit job spotting the ball after Driver lost the ball.

Either way they were losers today

They did all the little things losers do to screw up a game

[retailguy]

7-31 without the D's picks... The D was awful, but at least they gave us a few scores. More than the offense can say.

If you try to blame this on the offense I might reach through the computer and punch you in the face. The offense sucked, the defense sucked, and special teams sucked. Lots of blame to go around.

there was not one facet of this game where the packers played well. singling things out is pointless and stupid.

you don't play games like this two weeks in a row and come out with 2 wins. we should be fortunate that they are 1-1 with two stinkers like this.

[retailguy]

Maybe it was a false start - but there was definitely 1 second left on the clock. Sideline?


10 second runoff.....rendered it moot.

was that really a false start ? I didn't really see him move. The officials did a shit job spotting the ball after Driver lost the ball.

Either way they were losers today

They did all the little things losers do to screw up a game

he wasn't set. it was the right call.

[Brohm]

This game was pathetic on all counts. Nothing was even remotely good. Well, we did get the onside kick :shock:

You just cannot play this was and be a winning team. Especially at home. Especially against a team like the Bengals.

Totally undisciplined, totally shit. If you play a good, hard game and get beat, that's one thing. This is just bad football to the core. Hard to even watch.

[Partial]

7-31 without the D's picks... The D was awful, but at least they gave us a few scores. More than the offense can say.

If you try to blame this on the offense I might reach through the computer and punch you in the face. The offense sucked, the defense sucked, and special teams sucked. Lots of blame to go around.

there was not one facet of this game where the packers played well. singling things out is pointless and stupid.

you don't play games like this two weeks in a row and come out with 2 wins. we should be fortunate that they are 1-1 with two stinkers like this.

Yep. Dominated in all four facets of the game two weeks in a row. Terrible, terrible stuff.

[Rastak]

Maybe it was a false start - but there was definitely 1 second left on the clock. Sideline?


10 second runoff.....rendered it moot.

was that really a false start ? I didn't really see him move. The officials did a shit job spotting the ball after Driver lost the ball.

Either way they were losers today

They did all the little things losers do to screw up a game


The dude wide right definately was moving.

[PackerTimer]

7-31 without the D's picks... The D was awful, but at least they gave us a few scores. More than the offense can say.

If you try to blame this on the offense I might reach through the computer and punch you in the face. The offense sucked, the defense sucked, and special teams sucked. Lots of blame to go around.

there was not one facet of this game where the packers played well. singling things out is pointless and stupid.

you don't play games like this two weeks in a row and come out with 2 wins. we should be fortunate that they are 1-1 with two stinkers like this.

Exaclty. But I know I'm going to see the usual it was Rodgers fault, not it wasn't crap from the usual suspects.

[Gunakor]

God dmanit Aaron. What are you doing throwing it inthe middle of the field you tard.

Moving the ball.

The official didn't do a good job getting the ball spotted very quickly, but I don't think it would have mattered. There was time to get the ball snapped, but Finley wasn't set quick enough.

Everyone knew the game was over if they went over the middle.. Don't be that guy. What a dumb pass. Take the shot at the end zone or throw the ball away. Stupid play. Worst game as a Packer imo. He surely looked like a below average to horrible QB today.

Then what the fuck was Driver running a pass route over the middle for in the first place?

Maybe that's what MM called?

Well of course, but I was responding to Partial's assertion that everybody knew the game was over if he didn't throw to the sidelines. Apparently there were some who thought they could get another snap off should the middle open up for Rodgers to throw to. And, truth be told, they would have if the official had been a bit quicker spotting the ball. It wouldn't have mattered anyway with Finley not getting lined up quickly enough, but again, that wouldn't have been on Rodgers.

The game should have never gotten to that point to begin with, and I'm not placing blame on the final play, but it is what it is.

[Fosco33]

Maybe it was a false start - but there was definitely 1 second left on the clock. Sideline?


10 second runoff.....rendered it moot.
Just saying that Ed's explanation was incorrect.

[falco]

Hard to blame this game on Rodgers.

He had no run support. His WR's didn't catch the ball. He had no protection.

Yes, he had some bad throws and held on too long. But no way a guy can find a rhythm like that.

We got outcoached and outplayed.

[Partial]

Just because someone is running a route does not mean it's a good idea to throw to them. It's called a decoy. They're not going to leave him wide open because then he would score. By running a shallow route with a shorter guy like Driver, it keeps one less guy off a taller guy like Finley in the end zone for the jump ball.

It's strategy :D

[Fosco33]

And let's relax - it's just an AFC loss... and the Bears are down 7-0 (to another AFC team).

[Brohm]

I'd like to know what MM's strategy was today....

[Partial]

And let's relax - it's just an AFC loss... and the Bears are down 7-0 (to another AFC team).

Yeah, but we're going to lose to the AFC team they're losing to and I would certainly think they'll show up to pay against Starvin' Marvin's team. Thus, it could be a game swing right there.

[Rastak]

Maybe it was a false start - but there was definitely 1 second left on the clock. Sideline?


10 second runoff.....rendered it moot.
Just saying that Ed's explanation was incorrect.


Got ya.....yea, that didn;t make sense.

[SkinBasket]

God dmanit Aaron. What are you doing throwing it inthe middle of the field you tard.

Moving the ball.

The official didn't do a good job getting the ball spotted very quickly, but I don't think it would have mattered. There was time to get the ball snapped, but Finley wasn't set quick enough.

Everyone knew the game was over if they went over the middle.. Don't be that guy. What a dumb pass. Take the shot at the end zone or throw the ball away. Stupid play. Worst game as a Packer imo. He surely looked like a below average to horrible QB today.

There was 1 second on the clock. If the official spots the ball like a not retard, 2 or 3. Not to mention the fact Driver is still a dangerous receiver after the catch. The play was fine. Better than 2 endzone shots into triple coverage from 35 yards out. Finley screwed up. Shit happens.

You need to watch more football if you think Rodgers was a "terrible" QB today. Or just stop making stupid remarks.

[Fosco33]

I'd like to know what MM's strategy was today....

I wished he'd adjust midstream - he seems so stuck in his strategy and non responsive to the Oline shift. Should've been in max protect all 2nd half.

[Brohm]

I'd like to know what MM's strategy was today....

I wished he'd adjust midstream - he seems so stuck in his strategy and non responsive to the Oline shift. Should've been in max protect all 2nd half.

Ok, let me rephrase. I want to hear his strategy to not let one guy get 5 sacks from the left side :shock: :P

[Partial]

God dmanit Aaron. What are you doing throwing it inthe middle of the field you tard.

Moving the ball.

The official didn't do a good job getting the ball spotted very quickly, but I don't think it would have mattered. There was time to get the ball snapped, but Finley wasn't set quick enough.

Everyone knew the game was over if they went over the middle.. Don't be that guy. What a dumb pass. Take the shot at the end zone or throw the ball away. Stupid play. Worst game as a Packer imo. He surely looked like a below average to horrible QB today.

There was 1 second on the clock. If the official spots the ball like a not retard, 2 or 3. Not to mention the fact Driver is still a dangerous receiver after the catch. The play was fine. Better than 2 endzone shots into triple coverage from 35 yards out. Finley screwed up. Shit happens.

You need to watch more football if you think Rodgers was a "terrible" QB today. Or just stop making stupid remarks.

Maybe you need to start watching more football because half of the pressure/sacks was self-inflicted.

Driver is going to beat 2-3 guys to get into the endzone? He caught the ball at the ten, with a guy on the 12, and two guys closing in from the 5. You tell me how he's going to be three guys with his back to the end zone to catch the ball.

I didn't say take a shot at the end zone. I said throw the ball down the sidelines and take a 20 yard shot than have 12 seconds for another one. That's what I would have done.

Somebody was streaking down the right side and had his man beat big time. Watch the replays, it's not even close. Can't see who it is though, so I can understand wanting to go to the reliable Driver. That said, it would have been a sure fire TD... or at least down to the 5 and out of bounds with 12 seconds left and a first down... He had two steps on the guy.

It was a bad decision. Sorry you cannot accept it.

[denverYooper]

This game was pathetic on all counts. Nothing was even remotely good. Well, we did get the onside kick :shock:

You just cannot play this was and be a winning team. Especially at home. Especially against a team like the Bengals.

Totally undisciplined, totally shit. If you play a good, hard game and get beat, that's one thing. This is just bad football to the core. Hard to even watch.

We sure did put up a stinker. I think Cincy's a pretty decent team this year, though. I watched the Cincy-Denver game last week and despite the immaculate deflection catch by Stokely, they played pretty well against a Denver team that is better than advertised.

[SkinBasket]

Ruvell Martin would have scored the TD. Maybe it was him running Partial's open sideline route for the sure fire TD. Or just the ghost of his memory. :cry:

[Partial]

Ruvell Martin would have scored the TD.

Cute. Instead of addressing the content of the post, like the clock (even the moron announcers knew the game was over if they went over the middle), or the wide open receiver streaking openly down the right side, you make a wise crack.

[retailguy]

Ruvell Martin would have scored the TD.

Cute. Instead of addressing the content of the post, like the clock (even the moron announcers knew the game was over if they went over the middle), or the wide open receiver streaking openly down the right side, you make a wise crack.

So, why did you give it validity by responding to it?

[Bretsky]

140 yards to Cedrick the Entertainer Benson ?????????????

[pbmax]

I remember when people thought I was nuts when I said Clifton was still a stud. Colledge looks like a huge step down.
You are hanging your hat on predicting Colledge was a worse Left Tackle than Clifton?

[retailguy]

140 yards to Cedrick the Entertainer Benson ?????????????


that's all he got, I thought it was more. :shock:

I'm sorta glad that Pierre Thomas was injured and my only other RB was Benson, because at 11:30 this morning, other than that, NO WAY do I play benson. Now, he gets me 14 points.

I'd rather have the win, but I'll take what I can get.

[BallHawk]

140 yards to Cedrick the Entertainer Benson ?????????????

Exactly. Cedric fuckin' Benson.

[BallHawk]

Also, is 3rd and 34 the new 4th and 26?

[Partial]

I remember when people thought I was nuts when I said Clifton was still a stud. Colledge looks like a huge step down.
You are hanging your hat on predicting Colledge was a worse Left Tackle than Clifton?

No, but everyone was asying that Cliffy was done. I still think he's a top 10 pass blocking LT even in the twilight of his career. Very good player. Huge step down once you saw the average LT come in to play.

[sheepshead]

Also, is 3rd and 34 the new 4th and 26?

I said when it happened, that would come back to haunt us.

[Partial]

Also, is 3rd and 34 the new 4th and 26?

Basically. How disgusting was that? Yikes!

[imscott72]

10 sacks to Arod in 2 weeks..My goodness..The only thing that can make this day better is if the Steelers keep giving the Bears a beatdown like they are right now..

[Brohm]

I think that was the "we really do suck" moment and they folded after that.

[Rastak]

10 sacks to Arod in 2 weeks..My goodness..The only thing that can make this day better is if the Steelers keep giving the Bears a beatdown like they are right now..


I'm guessing that will happen.

[Brohm]

10 sacks to Arod in 2 weeks..My goodness..The only thing that can make this day better is if the Steelers keep giving the Bears a beatdown like they are right now..

At this point, go back to max protect as in 2006. Rodgers won't make it to midseason at this rate.

[pbmax]

Someone please tell me what is going on. Mine cut to afternoon game at 3:15.

Aaron nutted up :evil:

recovered onside kick, moved ball to bengals 10 yard line. tried to spike ball to stop clock. finely not lined up, and rodgers didn't snap quick enough. game over...
He did get the snap off, with at least 1 tick left, Hoculi was wrong on that. but the penalty killed the play.

[MOBB DEEP]

This mess is surreal! Cincy??????

[retailguy]

This mess is surreal! Cincy??????

so much for us "dominating" all opponents this year, huh?

[SkinBasket]

Ruvell Martin would have scored the TD.

Cute. Instead of addressing the content of the post, like the clock (even the moron announcers knew the game was over if they went over the middle), or the wide open receiver streaking openly down the right side, you make a wise crack.

What is there to discuss? Your hypothetical sure fire TD didn't happen. I can make up a bunch of stuff that might, could, or should have happened too, but I don't expect anyone to discuss it because it doesn't mean anything. Maybe if I have enough to drink tonight, I'll look for your mystery receiver. I'm not holding my breath that he exists, however.

You're ignoring the fact there was 1 second on the clock in the replays. Finley fucked up. Game over. You're silly insistence on trying to blame Rodgers for every aspect of the offense makes it hard to take anything you say seriously.

[Partial]

On paper we dominate this team. On field, Cedric the entertainer looks like a stud and we look like duds. Just goes to show... any given sunday.

More emphasis needs to be placed on these penalties. That killed the Pack as much as anything today.

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Ruvell Martin would have scored the TD.

Cute. Instead of addressing the content of the post, like the clock (even the moron announcers knew the game was over if they went over the middle), or the wide open receiver streaking openly down the right side, you make a wise crack.

What is there to discuss? Your hypothetical sure fire TD didn't happen. I can make up a bunch of stuff that might, could, or should have happened too, but I don't expect anyone to discuss it because it doesn't mean anything. Maybe if I have enough to drink tonight, I'll look for your mystery receiver. I'm not holding my breath that he exists, however.

You're ignoring the fact there was 1 second on the clock in the replays. Finley fucked up. Game over. You're silly insistence on trying to blame Rodgers for every aspect of the offense makes it hard to take anything you say seriously.

I didn't blame Rodgers for the game. Please show me where I did. It was a bad pass, but that pass doesn't take away the entire lack of execution by the team. Perhaps you should read the posts, instead of taking away what you want from them. Etiehr a page or two pages ago I said the Packers were awful in all four key facets of the game and outplayed. Of course, you ignore that to try to cause drama, since you live for that.

One second on the clock, sure, but is one second enough?

[retailguy]

10 sacks to Arod in 2 weeks..My goodness..The only thing that can make this day better is if the Steelers keep giving the Bears a beatdown like they are right now..

At this point, go back to max protect as in 2006. Rodgers won't make it to midseason at this rate.

I can't single out a problem after this game, we sucked everywhere, but this has been a constant problem since 2006. You can't win without a good OL, and the Packers definitely do not have a good OL.

rodgers is going to get killed out there. I'll forgive colledge this week, but he's a veteran, and if he's out there this season, he's got precious little time to improve. we need some veteran depth, even if they're "over the hill". These rookies won't help in any capacity. an over the hill veteran can at least help with some tips for Barbre and Lang and Colledge to a certain extent.

these guys are in way over their head.

[pbmax]

I remember when people thought I was nuts when I said Clifton was still a stud. Colledge looks like a huge step down.
You are hanging your hat on predicting Colledge was a worse Left Tackle than Clifton?

No, but everyone was asying that Cliffy was done. I still think he's a top 10 pass blocking LT even in the twilight of his career. Very good player. Huge step down once you saw the average LT come in to play.
No one sensible was saying Cliffy was done. Declining? Yes. Worst year since he was a rookie pass blocking? yes. But by the end of training camp it was clear the surgeries had paid off and he was moving much better. And at no point did anyone think we had a replacement ready in Meredith, Moll, Colledge or Lang.

And why, if a player has trouble in one phase of the game, do you need to find fault in EVERY phase of their game? Very binary of you.

You win, you are not bulletproof. You lose you are not a tire fire. Although we are smoking quite a lot right now.

[Partial]

A good amount of that post went straight over my head :(

[pbmax]

10 sacks to Arod in 2 weeks..My goodness..The only thing that can make this day better is if the Steelers keep giving the Bears a beatdown like they are right now..

At this point, go back to max protect as in 2006. Rodgers won't make it to midseason at this rate.

I can't single out a problem after this game, we sucked everywhere, but this has been a constant problem since 2006. You can't win without a good OL, and the Packers definitely do not have a good OL.

rodgers is going to get killed out there. I'll forgive colledge this week, but he's a veteran, and if he's out there this season, he's got precious little time to improve. we need some veteran depth, even if they're "over the hill". These rookies won't help in any capacity. an over the hill veteran can at least help with some tips for Barbre and Lang and Colledge to a certain extent.

these guys are in way over their head.
I like Colledge. From in over his head to improving every year. He is a good guard right now.

And I hope you are right he can play tackle, because if Cliffy is done, there are not a whole lot of options.

[MOBB DEEP]

This mess is surreal! Cincy??????

so much for us "dominating" all opponents this year, huh?

I guess so, realy strange trap game; players musta been reading press clippings

[retailguy]

A good amount of that post went straight over my head :(

your critiques of rodgers play are seriously flawed. Rodgers can only perform if the rest of the team performs. they didn't, he didn't. I can forgive his panic near the end of the game, by then it was over.

Our problems are much much deeper than ARod.

[Brohm]

Someone ring up Dellenbach and Wilkerson! :shock: :P

[Partial]

A good amount of that post went straight over my head :(

your critiques of rodgers play are seriously flawed. Rodgers can only perform if the rest of the team performs. they didn't, he didn't. I can forgive his panic near the end of the game, by then it was over.

Our problems are much much deeper than ARod.

Agreed 100%. I'm not blaming Rodgers for the loss. You can't win when you were whipped in all 4 portions of the game. Your stars do need to show up, though.

[retailguy]

10 sacks to Arod in 2 weeks..My goodness..The only thing that can make this day better is if the Steelers keep giving the Bears a beatdown like they are right now..

At this point, go back to max protect as in 2006. Rodgers won't make it to midseason at this rate.

I can't single out a problem after this game, we sucked everywhere, but this has been a constant problem since 2006. You can't win without a good OL, and the Packers definitely do not have a good OL.

rodgers is going to get killed out there. I'll forgive colledge this week, but he's a veteran, and if he's out there this season, he's got precious little time to improve. we need some veteran depth, even if they're "over the hill". These rookies won't help in any capacity. an over the hill veteran can at least help with some tips for Barbre and Lang and Colledge to a certain extent.

these guys are in way over their head.
I like Colledge. From in over his head to improving every year. He is a good guard right now.

And I hope you are right he can play tackle, because if Cliffy is done, there are not a whole lot of options.

I agree with you. He has improved. But I don't think he'll ever make a great guard. Had he focused on LT for the past 3 years, I think we'd have a pretty good LT right now, but we didn't need that. We needed a guard, and the guy worked his ass off to do something that did not come naturally, at all. I just worry that he's spent so much time at guard it will impact his effectiveness at tackle.

Yes, he is all we've got. Lang is nowhere close to ready. Nor should we expect him to be. I don't know what they're going to do if cliffy is hurt as bad as it looks right now. I just don't know how you don't plan for this, I mean, cliffy has had like four major surgeries in the past two seasons. how do you not have a solid backup plan, yet carry 3 tight ends?

I just don't know what to say, except, C'mon colledge. The team is dependent on your play right now.

[Partial]

10 sacks to Arod in 2 weeks..My goodness..The only thing that can make this day better is if the Steelers keep giving the Bears a beatdown like they are right now..

At this point, go back to max protect as in 2006. Rodgers won't make it to midseason at this rate.

I can't single out a problem after this game, we sucked everywhere, but this has been a constant problem since 2006. You can't win without a good OL, and the Packers definitely do not have a good OL.

rodgers is going to get killed out there. I'll forgive colledge this week, but he's a veteran, and if he's out there this season, he's got precious little time to improve. we need some veteran depth, even if they're "over the hill". These rookies won't help in any capacity. an over the hill veteran can at least help with some tips for Barbre and Lang and Colledge to a certain extent.

these guys are in way over their head.

I don't necessarily agree that you can't win without a good OL (Steelers last year), but you need to adjust and take whats given. I feel like a more balanced offensive game plan when we were down by 7 for much of the second half would have been beneficial. I don't know the numbers, but I feel like it had it be 75% passing. I could very well be wrong, though.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Ty called it. All there in black in white.

[retailguy]

A good amount of that post went straight over my head :(

your critiques of rodgers play are seriously flawed. Rodgers can only perform if the rest of the team performs. they didn't, he didn't. I can forgive his panic near the end of the game, by then it was over.

Our problems are much much deeper than ARod.

Agreed 100%. I'm not blaming Rodgers for the loss. You can't win when you were whipped in all 4 portions of the game. Your stars do need to show up, though.

then maybe you shouldn't have ripped the pass call over the middle so badly. you have to take what the defense gives you. I give credit to Arod for even seeing the opening. He got it executed. then his team let him down yet again.

Arod had a couple of clutch plays. He didn't play well all game, but he did play well when it counted. That's what I expect out of my QB. He delivered as far as I'm concerned.

[retailguy]

10 sacks to Arod in 2 weeks..My goodness..The only thing that can make this day better is if the Steelers keep giving the Bears a beatdown like they are right now..

At this point, go back to max protect as in 2006. Rodgers won't make it to midseason at this rate.

I can't single out a problem after this game, we sucked everywhere, but this has been a constant problem since 2006. You can't win without a good OL, and the Packers definitely do not have a good OL.

rodgers is going to get killed out there. I'll forgive colledge this week, but he's a veteran, and if he's out there this season, he's got precious little time to improve. we need some veteran depth, even if they're "over the hill". These rookies won't help in any capacity. an over the hill veteran can at least help with some tips for Barbre and Lang and Colledge to a certain extent.

these guys are in way over their head.
I like Colledge. From in over his head to improving every year. He is a good guard right now.

And I hope you are right he can play tackle, because if Cliffy is done, there are not a whole lot of options.

I agree with you. He has improved. But I don't think he'll ever make a great guard. Had he focused on LT for the past 3 years, I think we'd have a pretty good LT right now, but we didn't need that. We needed a guard, and the guy worked his ass off to do something that did not come naturally, at all. I just worry that he's spent so much time at guard it will impact his effectiveness at tackle.

Yes, he is all we've got. Lang is nowhere close to ready. Nor should we expect him to be. I don't know what they're going to do if cliffy is hurt as bad as it looks right now. I just don't know how you don't plan for this, I mean, cliffy has had like four major surgeries in the past two seasons. how do you not have a solid backup plan, yet carry 3 tight ends?

I just don't know what to say, except, C'mon colledge. The team is dependent on your play right now.

edit - 3 fullbacks. sorry, I'm frustrated right now.

[retailguy]

Ty called it. All there in black in white.

thank you nostradamus. what are next weeks winning lotto numbers? Can you go two for two?

[Partial]

A good amount of that post went straight over my head :(

your critiques of rodgers play are seriously flawed. Rodgers can only perform if the rest of the team performs. they didn't, he didn't. I can forgive his panic near the end of the game, by then it was over.

Our problems are much much deeper than ARod.

Agreed 100%. I'm not blaming Rodgers for the loss. You can't win when you were whipped in all 4 portions of the game. Your stars do need to show up, though.

then maybe you shouldn't have ripped the pass call over the middle so badly. you have to take what the defense gives you. I give credit to Arod for even seeing the opening. He got it executed. then his team let him down yet again.

Arod had a couple of clutch plays. He didn't play well all game, but he did play well when it counted. That's what I expect out of my QB. He delivered as far as I'm concerned.

He didn't play well. He used the middle of the field twice when the defense gave it to him. They obviously are going to give him the middle of the field because they want him to complete the passes there.

I'm critical because someone has to be. It wasn't a good decision. Any way you want to spin it. The first one, sure, but the second one was not. They would have been better with an incompletion or throwing it away.

[retailguy]

10 sacks to Arod in 2 weeks..My goodness..The only thing that can make this day better is if the Steelers keep giving the Bears a beatdown like they are right now..

At this point, go back to max protect as in 2006. Rodgers won't make it to midseason at this rate.

I can't single out a problem after this game, we sucked everywhere, but this has been a constant problem since 2006. You can't win without a good OL, and the Packers definitely do not have a good OL.

rodgers is going to get killed out there. I'll forgive colledge this week, but he's a veteran, and if he's out there this season, he's got precious little time to improve. we need some veteran depth, even if they're "over the hill". These rookies won't help in any capacity. an over the hill veteran can at least help with some tips for Barbre and Lang and Colledge to a certain extent.

these guys are in way over their head.

I don't necessarily agree that you can't win without a good OL (Steelers last year), but you need to adjust and take whats given. I feel like a more balanced offensive game plan when we were down by 7 for much of the second half would have been beneficial. I don't know the numbers, but I feel like it had it be 75% passing. I could very well be wrong, though.

Steelers run a different offensive game plan. Can we adjust? Sure, we've got enough playmakers, but in 3 seasons we haven't adjusted. we've continually tried to correct the problems. mccarthy earns criticism there.

partial, the problems are bigger than a bad OL. The problems shift from game to game. Last week Barbre sucked badly, this week, he played better but still not great. now, someone else plays poorly. next week someone else plays poorly. There is no one that the coaches can depend on right now, so how do you gameplan that?

It isn't as easy as that. Also, Grant needs good runblocking to be effective. He's not Barry Sanders. He doesn't have that to take pressure off the passing game. Parker is a completely different kind of back.

I see your point, but dont' really think the situation is as comparable as you're trying to make it.

[Partial]

Clifton is just a sprain. Hopefully he's back soon.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/ic/blogs/insider/index.shtml

[retailguy]

Clifton is just a sprain. Hopefully he's back soon.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/ic/blogs/insider/index.shtml

that's good news. the look on his face did not look like a sprain. if it's "high ankle", and I didn't read the article, then he's gone for a few weeks...

[MOBB DEEP]

Yeah, that was a shoddy 2 min drill; we had 12 seconds to get up there and get a play off...GOTA be able to execute that imo

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Ty called it. All there in black in white.

thank you nostradamus. what are next weeks winning lotto numbers? Can you go two for two?

You are welcome.

Lotto is a game of chance, football is not. But, perhaps that is why you have such a hard time comprehending it.

[Fosco33]

Yeah, that was a shoddy 2 min drill; we had 12 seconds to get up there and get a play off...GOTA be able to execute that imo

Favre woulda got Finley to line up for sure :P

[MOBB DEEP]

benson 140-plus yards? messery; he's no AD

[Waldo]

Yeah, that was a shoddy 2 min drill; we had 12 seconds to get up there and get a play off...GOTA be able to execute that imo

Favre woulda got Finley to line up for sure :P

Reporters on Twitter reported that Jennings, not Finley, was the guilty party, it was incorrectly reported on the television.

[MOBB DEEP]

Yeah, that was a shoddy 2 min drill; we had 12 seconds to get up there and get a play off...GOTA be able to execute that imo

Favre woulda got Finley to line up for sure :P

Dont go there :wink:

[Fosco33]

Yeah, that was a shoddy 2 min drill; we had 12 seconds to get up there and get a play off...GOTA be able to execute that imo

Favre woulda got Finley to line up for sure :P

Reporters on Twitter reported that Jennings, not Finley, was the guilty party, it was incorrectly reported on the television.

Good info - I was wondering why it was a false start on Finley...

[Fosco33]

Real question... should M3 have activated Breno over a special teamer? Can he play on the left? Why is he on the roster anyways?

[]{ilr]3]

Wow, the Packers loose to one of the worst teams in the league and the Bears win against one of the best. All thats left for me is to loose my FF football league today.

Fuck this shit

[red]

is anthony smith still available? or whatever his name was

bush just cannot be our starting safety. the guy has no right being on the field

this is what happens when you keep guys because they're good at special teams and nothing else

[retailguy]

is anthony smith still available? or whatever his name was

bush just cannot be our starting safety. the guy has no right being on the field

this is what happens when you keep guys because they're good at special teams and nothing else

claimed by someone, rams maybe?

Hopefully the new guy is ready. Bush is not a safety, might be a special teams demon but not a safety. between him and blackmon our depth is not good.

did we waive peprah injured? If so, can we resign him when he's cleared to play? not sure how that works.

[SkinBasket]

I didn't blame Rodgers for the game. Please show me where I did. It was a bad pass, but that pass doesn't take away the entire lack of execution by the team. Perhaps you should read the posts, instead of taking away what you want from them. Etiehr a page or two pages ago I said the Packers were awful in all four key facets of the game and outplayed. Of course, you ignore that to try to cause drama, since you live for that.

One second on the clock, sure, but is one second enough?

Oh, for fuck's sake. One second you're labeling him horrible and claiming you could have made better decisions on the field and the next you're playing your "What? Me?" routine?

Yeah, the Packers got their ass kicked in every facet of the game today. We were discussing one play. What happened to your mystery WR streaking free down the sideline anyway? If you're going to make a statement, no matter how ill informed or stupid, then make it. Don't throw dumb shit out there then run away from it pretending no one saw you shit on your own shoe.

One second is better than none. Is it enough? Well, we'll never fucking know because Finely and maybe Jennings too haven't learned to line the fuck up and get set in that situation, but another chance is infinitely better than none and hopefully he'll learn from it. The team has a shitload to learn from a top to bottom ass whipping like this. I hope the coaches are up to teaching this week.

[Dabaddestbear]

{ilr]3]Wow, the Packers loose to one of the worst teams in the league and the Bears win against one of the best. All thats left for me is to loose my FF football league today.

Fuck this shit
Great day for me! Over a grand profit today because of those wins!!!

[KYPack]

{ilr]3]Wow, the Packers loose to one of the worst teams in the league and the Bears win against one of the best.

The Bengals aren't one of the worst teams in the league. They are on par with GB. But for a freak play, they'd be 2-0 right now.

[falco]

{ilr]3]Wow, the Packers loose to one of the worst teams in the league and the Bears win against one of the best.

The Bengals aren't one of the worst teams in the league. They are on par with GB. But for a freak play, they'd be 2-0 right now.

KY, you are spot on. I don't want to sound like a homer, because believe me we sucked today, but I think we also played two very good teams in the last two days.

Up to MM to rally the troops and sort out this clusterfuck.

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CAPS...



I didn't blame Rodgers for the game. Please show me where I did. It was a bad pass, but that pass doesn't take away the entire lack of execution by the team. Perhaps you should read the posts, instead of taking away what you want from them. Etiehr a page or two pages ago I said the Packers were awful in all four key facets of the game and outplayed. Of course, you ignore that to try to cause drama, since you live for that.

One second on the clock, sure, but is one second enough?

Oh, for fuck's sake. One second you're labeling him horrible and claiming you could have made better decisions on the field and the next you're playing your "What? Me?" routine?

WHERE DID I LABEL HIM AS HORRIBLE. PLEASE PROVIDE A SOURCE OR DON'T MAKE UP FALSE ACCUSATIONS.

Yeah, the Packers got their ass kicked in every facet of the game today. We were discussing one play. What happened to your mystery WR streaking free down the sideline anyway? If you're going to make a statement, no matter how ill informed or stupid, then make it. Don't throw dumb shit out there then run away from it pretending no one saw you shit on your own shoe.

WATCH THE REPLAY. THERE IS CLEARLY A RECEIVER STREAKING DOWN THE SIDELINE FOR A SURE FIRE TD AS THEY HAVE 2-3 STEPS ON THE DB. I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE SO I CANNOT COME AND PRESENT IT TO YOU. I'M SURE WITH ALL THE FANCY PS3S AND XBOXS AND BALLYHOO YOU CAN SCROUNGE UP THE PLAY ON THE OLD TW BOX...

One second is better than none. Is it enough? Well, we'll never fucking know because Finely and maybe Jennings too haven't learned to line the fuck up and get set in that situation, but another chance is infinitely better than none and hopefully he'll learn from it. The team has a shitload to learn from a top to bottom ass whipping like this. I hope the coaches are up to teaching this week.

THAT ISN'T ADEQUATE TIME TO GET YOUR TEAM SET. THAT IS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THIS DISCUSSION. HOW CAN YOU BLAME THEM FOR NOT GETTING SET-UP PERFECTLY WHEN THERE WAS A FRACTION OF A SECOND TO DO IT.

HAD THEY GONE TO THE OUTSIDE, THEY WOULD HAVE HAD MUCH MORE TIME. THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT THE DISCUSSION BOILS DOWN TO. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN FUELING ANY FIRES, ETC, BUT TO IGNORE THE FACT THAT GOING OVER THE MIDDLE WITH THAT MUCH TIME IS NOT DUMB, AND THEN BLAMING ONE PLAYER FOR STEPPING OFF A MICRO-SECOND EARLY WHEN YOU'RE LITERALLY SPRINTING DOWN THE FIELD TO GET THE PLAYOFF IS A LITTLE RIDICULOUS IMO. HAD THEY MADE THE SMART PASS, THIS WOULD ALL BE IRRELEVANT AS THEY WOULD HAVE HAD AMPLE TIME TO TAKE 2 SHOTS AT THE END ZONE IN THE TWELVISH SECONDS...

[SkinBasket]

CAPS...



I didn't blame Rodgers for the game. Please show me where I did. It was a bad pass, but that pass doesn't take away the entire lack of execution by the team. Perhaps you should read the posts, instead of taking away what you want from them. Etiehr a page or two pages ago I said the Packers were awful in all four key facets of the game and outplayed. Of course, you ignore that to try to cause drama, since you live for that.

One second on the clock, sure, but is one second enough?

Oh, for fuck's sake. One second you're labeling him horrible and claiming you could have made better decisions on the field and the next you're playing your "What? Me?" routine?

WHERE DID I LABEL HIM AS HORRIBLE. PLEASE PROVIDE A SOURCE OR DON'T MAKE UP FALSE ACCUSATIONS.

Yeah, the Packers got their ass kicked in every facet of the game today. We were discussing one play. What happened to your mystery WR streaking free down the sideline anyway? If you're going to make a statement, no matter how ill informed or stupid, then make it. Don't throw dumb shit out there then run away from it pretending no one saw you shit on your own shoe.

WATCH THE REPLAY. THERE IS CLEARLY A RECEIVER STREAKING DOWN THE SIDELINE FOR A SURE FIRE TD AS THEY HAVE 2-3 STEPS ON THE DB. I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE SO I CANNOT COME AND PRESENT IT TO YOU. I'M SURE WITH ALL THE FANCY PS3S AND XBOXS AND BALLYHOO YOU CAN SCROUNGE UP THE PLAY ON THE OLD TW BOX...

One second is better than none. Is it enough? Well, we'll never fucking know because Finely and maybe Jennings too haven't learned to line the fuck up and get set in that situation, but another chance is infinitely better than none and hopefully he'll learn from it. The team has a shitload to learn from a top to bottom ass whipping like this. I hope the coaches are up to teaching this week.

THAT ISN'T ADEQUATE TIME TO GET YOUR TEAM SET. THAT IS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THIS DISCUSSION. HOW CAN YOU BLAME THEM FOR NOT GETTING SET-UP PERFECTLY WHEN THERE WAS A FRACTION OF A SECOND TO DO IT.

HAD THEY GONE TO THE OUTSIDE, THEY WOULD HAVE HAD MUCH MORE TIME. THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT THE DISCUSSION BOILS DOWN TO. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN FUELING ANY FIRES, ETC, BUT TO IGNORE THE FACT THAT GOING OVER THE MIDDLE WITH THAT MUCH TIME IS NOT DUMB, AND THEN BLAMING ONE PLAYER FOR STEPPING OFF A MICRO-SECOND EARLY WHEN YOU'RE LITERALLY SPRINTING DOWN THE FIELD TO GET THE PLAYOFF IS A LITTLE RIDICULOUS IMO. HAD THEY MADE THE SMART PASS, THIS WOULD ALL BE IRRELEVANT AS THEY WOULD HAVE HAD AMPLE TIME TO TAKE 2 SHOTS AT THE END ZONE IN THE TWELVISH SECONDS...


Great use of caps.

Sigh...


What a dumb pass. Take the shot at the end zone or throw the ball away. Stupid play. Worst game as a Packer imo. He surely looked like a below average to horrible QB today.

Does that jump start your memory? Take your talk of false accusations and stick them up your ass. Again, make a point and stand by it. Stop playing retarded. As for your phantom WR, you seem to be the only one here - or on the field - who noticed that "sure fire TD." I'm sure you must be right though. You always are. I'll look tomorrow with great assuredness that you are correct.

As far as your "thoughts" about time to get set, you'll notice that our 300 pound linemen had ample opportunity to get to the LOS. Strange that a TE and a WR, both of whom would be further downfield than the linemen after the play, couldn't get set. Clearly there was time. Execution was another story - the story of the game.

[Partial]

CAPS...



I didn't blame Rodgers for the game. Please show me where I did. It was a bad pass, but that pass doesn't take away the entire lack of execution by the team. Perhaps you should read the posts, instead of taking away what you want from them. Etiehr a page or two pages ago I said the Packers were awful in all four key facets of the game and outplayed. Of course, you ignore that to try to cause drama, since you live for that.

One second on the clock, sure, but is one second enough?

Oh, for fuck's sake. One second you're labeling him horrible and claiming you could have made better decisions on the field and the next you're playing your "What? Me?" routine?

WHERE DID I LABEL HIM AS HORRIBLE. PLEASE PROVIDE A SOURCE OR DON'T MAKE UP FALSE ACCUSATIONS.

Yeah, the Packers got their ass kicked in every facet of the game today. We were discussing one play. What happened to your mystery WR streaking free down the sideline anyway? If you're going to make a statement, no matter how ill informed or stupid, then make it. Don't throw dumb shit out there then run away from it pretending no one saw you shit on your own shoe.

WATCH THE REPLAY. THERE IS CLEARLY A RECEIVER STREAKING DOWN THE SIDELINE FOR A SURE FIRE TD AS THEY HAVE 2-3 STEPS ON THE DB. I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE SO I CANNOT COME AND PRESENT IT TO YOU. I'M SURE WITH ALL THE FANCY PS3S AND XBOXS AND BALLYHOO YOU CAN SCROUNGE UP THE PLAY ON THE OLD TW BOX...

One second is better than none. Is it enough? Well, we'll never fucking know because Finely and maybe Jennings too haven't learned to line the fuck up and get set in that situation, but another chance is infinitely better than none and hopefully he'll learn from it. The team has a shitload to learn from a top to bottom ass whipping like this. I hope the coaches are up to teaching this week.

THAT ISN'T ADEQUATE TIME TO GET YOUR TEAM SET. THAT IS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THIS DISCUSSION. HOW CAN YOU BLAME THEM FOR NOT GETTING SET-UP PERFECTLY WHEN THERE WAS A FRACTION OF A SECOND TO DO IT.

HAD THEY GONE TO THE OUTSIDE, THEY WOULD HAVE HAD MUCH MORE TIME. THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT THE DISCUSSION BOILS DOWN TO. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN FUELING ANY FIRES, ETC, BUT TO IGNORE THE FACT THAT GOING OVER THE MIDDLE WITH THAT MUCH TIME IS NOT DUMB, AND THEN BLAMING ONE PLAYER FOR STEPPING OFF A MICRO-SECOND EARLY WHEN YOU'RE LITERALLY SPRINTING DOWN THE FIELD TO GET THE PLAYOFF IS A LITTLE RIDICULOUS IMO. HAD THEY MADE THE SMART PASS, THIS WOULD ALL BE IRRELEVANT AS THEY WOULD HAVE HAD AMPLE TIME TO TAKE 2 SHOTS AT THE END ZONE IN THE TWELVISH SECONDS...


Great use of caps.

Sigh...


What a dumb pass. Take the shot at the end zone or throw the ball away. Stupid play. Worst game as a Packer imo. He surely looked like a below average to horrible QB today.

Does that jump start your memory? Take your talk of false accusations and stick them up your ass. Again, make a point and stand by it. Stop playing retarded. As for your phantom WR, you seem to be the only one here - or on the field - who noticed that "sure fire TD." I'm sure you must be right though. You always are. I'll look tomorrow with great assuredness that you are correct.

As far as your "thoughts" about time to get set, you'll notice that our 300 pound linemen had ample opportunity to get to the LOS. Strange that a TE and a WR, both of whom would be further downfield than the linemen after the play, couldn't get set. Clearly there was time. Execution was another story - the story of the game.

Saying someone is having a horrible day is quite different from calling them a horrible player. Like I said many times, he's around 10ish in the league with Cutler (which you evidently conveniently ignore to continue your little bash fest).

Has anyone watched a replay of the final play? If so, how did you not notice the streaking receiver? I do not have the capabilities to post a video, but I'm sure someone here can.

Getting to the line and getting in rhthym and ready to go are two entirely different things. After the snap, did you notice the disarray. No one knew what on earth was going on. Clearly there was not adequate time to run a play. Perhaps there may have been time to snap a ball and pray that you win the powerball. In professional sports, why would you play the powerball and take those one in a billion odds when you could take two 65/100 gambles and go down the sideline?

Anyway you slice it, it was a bad decision.

I really hope you do watch the replay. There is definitely a man open. I don't know why you are accusing me of lying or whatever you're implying. It's beyond stupid. I've watched the play 5-6 times now.

[SkinBasket]

CAPS...



I didn't blame Rodgers for the game. Please show me where I did. It was a bad pass, but that pass doesn't take away the entire lack of execution by the team. Perhaps you should read the posts, instead of taking away what you want from them. Etiehr a page or two pages ago I said the Packers were awful in all four key facets of the game and outplayed. Of course, you ignore that to try to cause drama, since you live for that.

One second on the clock, sure, but is one second enough?

Oh, for fuck's sake. One second you're labeling him horrible and claiming you could have made better decisions on the field and the next you're playing your "What? Me?" routine?

WHERE DID I LABEL HIM AS HORRIBLE. PLEASE PROVIDE A SOURCE OR DON'T MAKE UP FALSE ACCUSATIONS.

Yeah, the Packers got their ass kicked in every facet of the game today. We were discussing one play. What happened to your mystery WR streaking free down the sideline anyway? If you're going to make a statement, no matter how ill informed or stupid, then make it. Don't throw dumb shit out there then run away from it pretending no one saw you shit on your own shoe.

WATCH THE REPLAY. THERE IS CLEARLY A RECEIVER STREAKING DOWN THE SIDELINE FOR A SURE FIRE TD AS THEY HAVE 2-3 STEPS ON THE DB. I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE SO I CANNOT COME AND PRESENT IT TO YOU. I'M SURE WITH ALL THE FANCY PS3S AND XBOXS AND BALLYHOO YOU CAN SCROUNGE UP THE PLAY ON THE OLD TW BOX...

One second is better than none. Is it enough? Well, we'll never fucking know because Finely and maybe Jennings too haven't learned to line the fuck up and get set in that situation, but another chance is infinitely better than none and hopefully he'll learn from it. The team has a shitload to learn from a top to bottom ass whipping like this. I hope the coaches are up to teaching this week.

THAT ISN'T ADEQUATE TIME TO GET YOUR TEAM SET. THAT IS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THIS DISCUSSION. HOW CAN YOU BLAME THEM FOR NOT GETTING SET-UP PERFECTLY WHEN THERE WAS A FRACTION OF A SECOND TO DO IT.

HAD THEY GONE TO THE OUTSIDE, THEY WOULD HAVE HAD MUCH MORE TIME. THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT THE DISCUSSION BOILS DOWN TO. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN FUELING ANY FIRES, ETC, BUT TO IGNORE THE FACT THAT GOING OVER THE MIDDLE WITH THAT MUCH TIME IS NOT DUMB, AND THEN BLAMING ONE PLAYER FOR STEPPING OFF A MICRO-SECOND EARLY WHEN YOU'RE LITERALLY SPRINTING DOWN THE FIELD TO GET THE PLAYOFF IS A LITTLE RIDICULOUS IMO. HAD THEY MADE THE SMART PASS, THIS WOULD ALL BE IRRELEVANT AS THEY WOULD HAVE HAD AMPLE TIME TO TAKE 2 SHOTS AT THE END ZONE IN THE TWELVISH SECONDS...


Great use of caps.

Sigh...


What a dumb pass. Take the shot at the end zone or throw the ball away. Stupid play. Worst game as a Packer imo. He surely looked like a below average to horrible QB today.

Does that jump start your memory? Take your talk of false accusations and stick them up your ass. Again, make a point and stand by it. Stop playing retarded. As for your phantom WR, you seem to be the only one here - or on the field - who noticed that "sure fire TD." I'm sure you must be right though. You always are. I'll look tomorrow with great assuredness that you are correct.

As far as your "thoughts" about time to get set, you'll notice that our 300 pound linemen had ample opportunity to get to the LOS. Strange that a TE and a WR, both of whom would be further downfield than the linemen after the play, couldn't get set. Clearly there was time. Execution was another story - the story of the game.

Saying someone is having a horrible day is quite different from calling them a horrible player. Like I said many times, he's around 10ish in the league with Cutler (which you evidently conveniently ignore to continue your little bash fest).

Has anyone watched a replay of the final play? If so, how did you not notice the streaking receiver? I do not have the capabilities to post a video, but I'm sure someone here can.

Getting to the line and getting in rhthym and ready to go are two entirely different things. After the snap, did you notice the disarray. No one knew what on earth was going on. Clearly there was not adequate time to run a play. Perhaps there may have been time to snap a ball and pray that you win the powerball. In professional sports, why would you play the powerball and take those one in a billion odds when you could take two 65/100 gambles and go down the sideline?

Anyway you slice it, it was a bad decision.

I really hope you do watch the replay. There is definitely a man open. I don't know why you are accusing me of lying or whatever you're implying. It's beyond stupid. I've watched the play 5-6 times now.

What?! Rhythm? They're trying to win a football game, not make love to a reluctant teenager. You're being intentionally ridiculous and you make me laugh.

[Partial]

Okay. So, they snap the ball with 1 second and pandemonium ensues where no one has any idea what to do. Do you honestly think they're going to score when no one surges ahead on the snap because they are afraid of the false start and are apprehensive to begin with because they aren't on the same page, don't have a play, and didn't have a planned course of attack.

What happens then? Well, my guess is Rodgers is rushed out of the pocket and throws it out of the end zone as the receivers have no idea what is going on....

The point ultimately boils down to that was not setting them up for success. Your football IQ is shining through that you would argue throwing the ball down the middle of the field 10 yards short of the end zone with but a few seconds remaining and zero timeouts is a good idea. It was a dumb play. Why can you not admit it when it obviously was?

I know you're too proud to admit it, but even I know you think this was a stupid play because no one is that unbelievably stupid. Especially when you look at the alternatives of:

A) an incomplete pass (plenty of time left)
B) a ball thrown to the sideline to the wide open receiver who gets out of bounds with 6-7 seconds left at the 5 yard line
C) touchdown by the sideline receiver tying the game

All three of those would have been better options.

[Partial]

The guy streaking down the sideline was Jordy. They had a discussion about it this morning while worshipping Rodgers. Those guys are dumb sometimes.

[SkinBasket]

All three of those would have been better options.

In your fantasy world, yes, they would have been. In the real world, opposing teams play defense designed to prevent exactly those three things. Well, two anyway. I'm sure they don't mind an incompletion. You know what the sideline is beside a pretty white line? It's another defender. If you love broken up passes and interceptions, then I suppose your three glorious examples of football IQ are great options. I suppose when you see a player run off your television screen, you imagine them running free in a field full of unicorns with nary a defender in sight.

But I guess you're smarter than all the Packer coaches and Rodgers rolled together, so I digress. I am obviously outwitted here and should mind my place quietly in the shadow of your vast football knowledge.

Oh, I took a look at your mystery receiver. Jordy Nelson (yeah, the same Nelson who's dropped twice as many passes as he's caught this season) was pinched between the sideline and the defender when the ball was thrown. You saw him "running free" after the ball was almost in Driver's hands and the defender had broken off his coverage. The safety was also playing deep on that side, facing the play. :oops:

[Partial]

All three of those would have been better options.

In your fantasy world, yes, they would have been. In the real world, opposing teams play defense designed to prevent exactly those three things. Well, two anyway. I'm sure they don't mind an incompletion. You know what the sideline is beside a pretty white line? It's another defender. If you love broken up passes and interceptions, then I suppose your three glorious examples of football IQ are great options. I suppose when you see a player run off your television screen, you imagine them running free in a field full of unicorns with nary a defender in sight.

But I guess you're smarter than all the Packer coaches and Rodgers rolled together, so I digress. I am obviously outwitted here and should mind my place quietly in the shadow of your vast football knowledge.

Oh, I took a look at your mystery receiver. Jordy Nelson (yeah, the same Nelson who's dropped twice as many passes as he's caught this season) was pinched between the sideline and the defender when the ball was thrown. You saw him "running free" after the ball was almost in Driver's hands and the defender had broken off his coverage. The safety was also playing deep on that side, facing the play. :oops:

Right... You sound like Ty. Just can't admit that you're wrong. Wide open. Tough pass to complete, sure, I will give you that, but he was wide open. Certainly a better option than Driver.

[SkinBasket]

All three of those would have been better options.

In your fantasy world, yes, they would have been. In the real world, opposing teams play defense designed to prevent exactly those three things. Well, two anyway. I'm sure they don't mind an incompletion. You know what the sideline is beside a pretty white line? It's another defender. If you love broken up passes and interceptions, then I suppose your three glorious examples of football IQ are great options. I suppose when you see a player run off your television screen, you imagine them running free in a field full of unicorns with nary a defender in sight.

But I guess you're smarter than all the Packer coaches and Rodgers rolled together, so I digress. I am obviously outwitted here and should mind my place quietly in the shadow of your vast football knowledge.

Oh, I took a look at your mystery receiver. Jordy Nelson (yeah, the same Nelson who's dropped twice as many passes as he's caught this season) was pinched between the sideline and the defender when the ball was thrown. You saw him "running free" after the ball was almost in Driver's hands and the defender had broken off his coverage. The safety was also playing deep on that side, facing the play. :oops:

Right... You sound like Ty. Just can't admit that you're wrong. Wide open. Tough pass to complete, sure, I will give you that, but he was wide open. Certainly a better option than Driver.

When Rodgers checks Nelson, he isn't even level with his defender yet. His next read is Driver and he pulls the trigger. At which point Nelson is still between the sideline and the defender. If you want to call that "wide open," then I can't stop you from being intentionally stupid about this.

You saw Nelson "wide open" when the camera panned to Driver catching the ball, after the defender had broken off his coverage and the safety had broken in on Driver. Watch the tape Partial. Then get a fucking clue. I'm done.

[Partial]

That still doesn't change that fact that any completion over the middle to Driver is a game ender. An incompletion is better than a completion over the middle at that point.

I love how no one is chiming in. They would have to admit that I'm right and the beloved SkinBasket is clearly wrong.

[Tarlam!]

I'll chime in. I only saw the highlight reel and saw Rodgers had time to spike the ball, but didn't.

There, I chimed in.

[Scott Campbell]

That still doesn't change that fact that any completion over the middle to Driver is a game ender. An incompletion is better than a completion over the middle at that point.

I love how no one is chiming in. They would have to admit that I'm right and the beloved SkinBasket is clearly wrong.


You are both beloved. I just don't want any part of another of your sword fights.

[mission]

That still doesn't change that fact that any completion over the middle to Driver is a game ender. An incompletion is better than a completion over the middle at that point.

I love how no one is chiming in. They would have to admit that I'm right and the beloved SkinBasket is clearly wrong.

No, actually Skin is exactly right. I tried to reply earlier but it did the whole "log out" thing again and I got frustrated. Nelson was not even close to open and I don't think an incompletion would have been better at that point. There WAS enough time to get another play off, or stop the clock or whatever... it seemed like the offense was a little surprised to be in that position and no one was really sure what to do. There seemed to be all sorts of reluctance going on at that point.

Anyway, Nelson was covered... that was obvious in the first replay they showed. No need to go back on DVR ... could he have jumped up and made a play and got out of bounds over a defender? Sure, I guess... but he's shown me nothing to make me think that's a play he can make. Since, you know, we've never seen him do that or anything close to that.

[SkinBasket]

That still doesn't change that fact that any completion over the middle to Driver is a game ender. An incompletion is better than a completion over the middle at that point.

I love how no one is chiming in. They would have to admit that I'm right and the beloved SkinBasket is clearly wrong.

Have you been checked for syphilis or is there a history of mental health problems in your family? You're exhibiting several different kinds of neurosis in this thread ranging from hallucination to paranoia with possible eye sight damage and overlapping confabulation.*


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*The term "confabulation" is used to describe lying or invention when the person who is lying is not aware that they are lying. To be more specific, confabulation is treating a fantasy as a fact, without awareness that fantasy has replaced fact.

[Partial]

That still doesn't change that fact that any completion over the middle to Driver is a game ender. An incompletion is better than a completion over the middle at that point.

I love how no one is chiming in. They would have to admit that I'm right and the beloved SkinBasket is clearly wrong.

No, actually Skin is exactly right. I tried to reply earlier but it did the whole "log out" thing again and I got frustrated. Nelson was not even close to open and I don't think an incompletion would have been better at that point. There WAS enough time to get another play off, or stop the clock or whatever... it seemed like the offense was a little surprised to be in that position and no one was really sure what to do. There seemed to be all sorts of reluctance going on at that point.

Anyway, Nelson was covered... that was obvious in the first replay they showed. No need to go back on DVR ... could he have jumped up and made a play and got out of bounds over a defender? Sure, I guess... but he's shown me nothing to make me think that's a play he can make. Since, you know, we've never seen him do that or anything close to that.

I disagree. I think Nelson was pretty gosh darn wide open from the video I saw. It's possible that he the video I saw didn't tell the whole tale, I don't know. He had a step or two on a defender.

Like I said though.. even an incompletion would be better than having to sprint up in massive chaos and run another play. Tar is right, is anything, spike it and huddle up. Chaos is just all around the worst option.

[ThunderDan]

I disagree. I think Nelson was pretty gosh darn wide open. He had a step or two on a defender. Like I said.. even an incompletion would be better than having to sprint up in massive chaos and run another play. Tar is right, is anything, spike it and huddle up. Chaos is just all around the worst option.

Nelson was being bumped by the corner at the time Rodgers was looking at him in the progression and was not wide open.

Go to NFL.com and look in the video portion it's right there.

How do you post a screen shot from a video on this page?

[Gunakor]

I'll chime in. I only saw the highlight reel and saw Rodgers had time to spike the ball, but didn't.

There, I chimed in.

It really should have never come to that in the first place. It was one of the sloppiest games I've seen in quite some time. As I said at halftime in the game thread, this game was going to come down to who would suck less. In the end, Cincy sucked less than we did. But we both stunk, and the game was there for the taking anyway. All I know is we gotta get better, or it's gonna be a long season.

[retailguy]

That still doesn't change



When you said this you lost the debate Partial. Without acknowledging that Skin is right, you inadvertently do so. And he was right. Nelson was NOT open at the time, only after the fact, which would have left even less time on the clock, ASSUMING that Nelson was going to get open.

Next, your point is superceded by the play of either Jennings or Finley who didn't get set (this is clear from every replay) and as a result, what Rodgers could or couldn't have done is essentially rendered moot. Throwing over the middle of the field is a bullshit argument. Fact is, that they've got 20 seconds to work with for two plays. You take the 1st guy that's open regardless of where it is. You don't have time to think or debate, you just play. That's what Rodgers did. He took the best option and the team disintegrated around him.

You'd get far more points from me, if you'd just man up and say "I screwed up". "Thought I saw something that I didn't see".

The one who is like Ty in this thread is you, not Skinbasket. So now, you can "disagree" with me too, and prove my point Ty Jr.

[Freak Out]

Wow....another "what if" debate.

I will say this.....after watching the low-lights the oline did a great job on that Grant TD run. :lol:

[mraynrand]

Here's the video. Rodgers has made his decision to throw before Jordy has freed himself from his man. I still think it's likely that Nelson stepped out, but the SJ didn't throw his hat. There are all sorts of possibilities, but Rodgers clearly found Driver open, clearly got to the line with 2 seconds left. He could have hesitated to see if Jordy was open, but that would have cost him Driver being open. What if, what if.

http://s453.photobucket.com/albums/qq254/mraynrand/?action=view&current=lastrodgerstoss.flv

[Scott Campbell]

The one who is like Ty in this thread is you, not Skinbasket. So now, you can "disagree" with me too, and prove my point Ty Jr.


Ahem.

It's "beloved" Skinbasket.

[pbmax]

Also lost in a rush to declare the pass a stupid decision is the fact that the coaches were quoted today saying that 16 seconds was the cutoff for a throw to the middle of the field, run down and get another play/spike off.

They made it work, but the penalty cost them.

The real question is whether anyone knew what play to run from the 10 or if everyone was expecting a spike.

[retailguy]

The one who is like Ty in this thread is you, not Skinbasket. So now, you can "disagree" with me too, and prove my point Ty Jr.


Ahem.

It's "beloved" Skinbasket.

It made me physically ill standing up for Skin's point. Calling him "beloved"? Out of the question.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

That still doesn't change that fact that any completion over the middle to Driver is a game ender. An incompletion is better than a completion over the middle at that point.

I love how no one is chiming in. They would have to admit that I'm right and the beloved SkinBasket is clearly wrong.

Ty will chime in.

You are wrong.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

That still doesn't change



When you said this you lost the debate Partial. Without acknowledging that Skin is right, you inadvertently do so. And he was right. Nelson was NOT open at the time, only after the fact, which would have left even less time on the clock, ASSUMING that Nelson was going to get open.

Next, your point is superceded by the play of either Jennings or Finley who didn't get set (this is clear from every replay) and as a result, what Rodgers could or couldn't have done is essentially rendered moot. Throwing over the middle of the field is a bullshit argument. Fact is, that they've got 20 seconds to work with for two plays. You take the 1st guy that's open regardless of where it is. You don't have time to think or debate, you just play. That's what Rodgers did. He took the best option and the team disintegrated around him.

You'd get far more points from me, if you'd just man up and say "I screwed up". "Thought I saw something that I didn't see".

The one who is like Ty in this thread is you, not Skinbasket. So now, you can "disagree" with me too, and prove my point Ty Jr.

Hey,

Fuck you. Keep my name outta this. Partial did it, which is bullshit.

Now you do it. Bullshit.

Time for you to grow up. You were shown to be wrong many times...and the last time, which you conveniently ignore, PB came in and stated it.

[Partial]

You guys are nuts. 16 seconds is the absolute bare minimum time to run a play in that situation. Do you think they were making a reference to trotting 20-30 yards down the field, getting set, spiking the ball? Maybe, but I doubt it. Are they going to come out and say that it was a stupid play? No, because you don't kick a guy when he's down.

Look at the video. Before Arod releases the ball, he has a clear shot at Nelson pulling ahead by a step or two. Whether he had already made his decision is up for debate, and thats fine, I will agree and say yeah, he probably doesn't have the best shot there at the time he threw the ball (one would argue it'd be smarter to wait for the developing play on the sideline to complete knowing that Jordy has both side and speed on the corner). Whatever. No sense in debating something that didn't happen (though it should have).

So he throws the ball down the middle of the field to the open man and as such we ran out of time. Is it a good idea to take the shot for the bare minimum possible time available and risk losing the game right there is everything does not go perfectly, or do you go to the sidelines and take 2-3 more shots if one fails?

If I've got ARod on the headset there, I'm saying do not go to the middle of the field unless the ball is 5 yards deep in the end zone. Does anyone in there right mind think MM is encouraging him to throw the ball ten yards short when they're obviously playing behind the receiver knowing that Driver would need a miracle to get by 3 guys and the likelihood of getting another play off were not guaranteed by any stretch of the imagination?

I would probably win the game with my philosophy, or at least give myself multiple chances at it and play the odds. You guys making horrible decisions like that are going to lose the game 9/10 times since you are giving yourself about a 1% chance to succeed. Every single thing has to go right on that one play. I would play it smart and give myself 3 chances instead.

Driver wasn't going to score with 3-4 defenders sitting back in a deep zone closing in on him ten yards before the goal line. How dumb do you think Marvin Lewis is?

Finally, to cap off the bad decision making, ARod did not immediately spike the ball despite 1 second left of the clock, so that was it for the team even if they had a chance (which they didn't because of all of the prior bad decisions on the drive putting the team in an unfavorable position to begin with), so they were running some back yard type play/pandemonium. That kind of stuff doesn't work often in the NFL.

Anyway you slice it, bad decisions all around.



LOOK at 5:27 in the video. He is wide open and Rodgers still has the ball. Obivously he went through the read already, but this is a perfect image just like the Favre-giants image of wide open receivers everyone loves to post.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d812c6e2e/Bengals-31-Packers-24

[Deputy Nutz]

You guys are nuts.

Look at the video. Before Arod releases the ball, he has a clear shot at Nelson. Whether he had already made his decision is up for debate, and thats fine.

So he throws the ball down the middle of the field to the open man and as such we ran out of time. Is it a good idea to take the shot for the bare minimum possible time available and risk losing the game right there is everything does not go perfectly, or do you go to the sidelines and take 2-3 more shots if one fails?

If I've got ARod on the headset there, I'm saying do not go to the middle of the field unless the ball is 5 yards deep in the end zone. I would probably win the game. You guys making horrible decisions like that are going to lose the game 9/10 times since you are giving yourself about a 1% chance to succeed. Every single thing has to go right on that one play. I would play it smart and give myself 3 chances instead.

Enough, this is stupid. Passing to Driver for say 10 or 12 yard gain down the middle of the field would have been stupid, throwing it down the middle of the field where the catch happened less than ten yards from the end zone is trying to make a play to win the game. What happens if Driver catches the ball takes the hit, avoids a defender and gets in the endzone? That was a hell of a play, best shot they had at sending the game into overtime.

[Scott Campbell]

Vince Young would have willed his team into the endzone.

[Deputy Nutz]

Vince Young would have willed his team into the endzone.

It almost isn't funny anymore.

[Freak Out]

Holy fucking Sasquatch.

[Deputy Nutz]

Holy fucking Sasquatch.

Leave your wife out if

[Partial]

Vince Young would have willed his team into the endzone.

What does this have to do with Vince Young? Can we not debate the topic at hand without unfair discussion? I think less and less of you guys for pulling these stunts instead of actually talking about the topic being discussed.

[Freak Out]

Holy fucking Sasquatch.

Leave your wife out if

The Sasqbitch.

[Deputy Nutz]

Vince Young would have willed his team into the endzone.

What does this have to do with Vince Young? Can we not debate the topic at hand without unfair discussion? I think less and less of you guys for pulling these stunts instead of actually talking about the topic being discussed.

That is very mature statement.

[Bretsky]

gotta take what the D gives; perhaps the D was also guarding the sidelines

If the ref spots the ball better we have a shot at one more play
DD could break a tackle

I can blame AROD for a shitload of bad plays Sunday but not this one.

[Scott Campbell]

Vince Young would have willed his team into the endzone.

What does this have to do with Vince Young? Can we not debate the topic at hand without unfair discussion? I think less and less of you guys for pulling these stunts instead of actually talking about the topic being discussed.


I figured you forfeited the right to a fair discussion with your "beloved Skinbasket" comment.

[falco]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Really not fair to blame this on Arod.

After all, his best friend is gone...which has really demoralized him. Team chemistry is just for shit.

I'll tell you this, if we had Ruvell, we woulda run more than 3x in the second half.

[ThunderDan]

Look at the video. Before Arod releases the ball, he has a clear shot at Nelson pulling ahead by a step or two. Whether he had already made his decision is up for debate, and thats fine, I will agree and say yeah, he probably doesn't have the best shot there at the time he threw the ball (one would argue it'd be smarter to wait for the developing play on the sideline to complete knowing that Jordy has both side and speed on the corner). Whatever. No sense in debating something that didn't happen (though it should have).



It's a SPADE, it's a SPADE. I don't care if its a HEART it's still a SPADE. You're all wrong. I am going to ask the Admin to ban you all because you are all so mean to me.

I am giving myself a one week time out from responding to this garbage. How can you debate with someone in a reasonable manner when being jammed by the CB is running wide open down the sideline?

[Dabaddestbear]

Vince Young would have willed his team into the endzone.

What does this have to do with Vince Young? Can we not debate the topic at hand without unfair discussion? I think less and less of you guys for pulling these stunts instead of actually talking about the topic being discussed.
Wow, now you see what I mean each time I post a topic and some how they try to spin it instead of just giving a clear answer. SC is a master at this. failed sense of humor to cover up a logical response.

[falco]

How can you debate with someone in a reasonable manner...?

ummm...Dan... not like this my friend. Take a deep breath dude.

[ThunderDan]

How can you debate with someone in a reasonable manner...?

ummm...Dan... not like this my friend. Take a deep breath dude.

That's why I'm taking a time out from responding to P.

[Partial]

Look at the video. Before Arod releases the ball, he has a clear shot at Nelson pulling ahead by a step or two. Whether he had already made his decision is up for debate, and thats fine, I will agree and say yeah, he probably doesn't have the best shot there at the time he threw the ball (one would argue it'd be smarter to wait for the developing play on the sideline to complete knowing that Jordy has both side and speed on the corner). Whatever. No sense in debating something that didn't happen (though it should have).



It's a SPADE, it's a SPADE. I don't care if its a HEART it's still a SPADE. You're all wrong. I am going to ask the Admin to ban you all because you are all so mean to me.

I am giving myself a one week time out from responding to this garbage. How can you debate with someone in a reasonable manner when being jammed by the CB is running wide open down the sideline?

You can't even tell if a DB got a hand on him. If they did, then how does he magically bolt right past him within a second and have two steps on him? Furthermore, do you really think Cinci is going to be bumping and risk a penalty on the final play of the game? C'mon man, they were further out than 5 yards out.

Looks to me like Jordy ran an out pattern and turned up field and burned the DB. I don't see what you're seeing because it's crystal clear to me that Jordy has him beat by two giant strides, and at least one giant stride before ARod let's go off the ball.

Calling a spade a spade would say that they never should have thrown the ball to the middle of the field ten yards shy of the end zone. Bottom line. End of story.

Time to make some more reads when the only thing open is the middle of the field and a wall of Bengals.

[mraynrand]

Partial, you are wrong. Look at the video again. If Rodgers had waited along enough to see if Nelson were open, he would have been crushed by the D lineman coming free. Nelson was not open when Rodgers had to throw the ball. He would have had to have guessed to know nelson was open. You are wrong. 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[Freak Out]

Randspam!

[Partial]

alright, fine. That's all it took.

[mraynrand]

alright, fine. That's all it took.

Good man. Don't make me come back in here! :)

[Dabaddestbear]

wow Partial, I guess someone thinks you were wrong :shock:

[falco]

wow Partial, I guess everyone thinks you were wrong :shock:

fixed


:lol:

[Tyrone Bigguns]

oh,what they hell.

Jordy was open, and it was a bad decision to throw 2 DD.

[MJZiggy]

oh,what they hell.

Jordy was open, and it was a bad decision to throw 2 DD.

Jackass.....

[mraynrand]

oh,what they hell.

Jordy was open, and it was a bad decision to throw 2 DD.

pot stirrer

http://www.foodkake.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/n674280427_1759547_3617.jpg

[Partial]

oh,what they hell.

Jordy was open, and it was a bad decision to throw 2 DD.

Well, he did come up short of the TD, and we did run out of time, and we did lose the game, so I don't really see it as a positive play or choice...

[mraynrand]

we did run out of time, and we did lose the game

maybe that's all that can be agreed upon. See you next week.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

oh,what they hell.

Jordy was open, and it was a bad decision to throw 2 DD.

Well, he did come up short of the TD, and we did run out of time, and we did lose the game, so I don't really see it as a positive play or choice...

hook, line,and sinker

[SkinBasket]

Confabulation's a dark temptress. I wish you the best Partial.

[Patler]

Coach Mike McCarthy said that when he asked about the call while leaving the field, he was told receiver Greg Jennings was the guilty party. McCarthy seemed unconvinced the call was correct.

“Now that surprised me,” he said. “I have not seen the video. But with our receivers being down there I thought the issue would have been with one of our linemen. So I was surprised by that to say the least.”

Joe Philbin, the Packers’ offensive coordinator, said the Packers leave open the option of throwing down the middle with 16 seconds left on the clock, and that they also were fine with Rodgers not intending to spike the ball on that final snap.

“We understood, we knew what was going on,” Philbin said. “We had a plan, we practice those plays. We know 16 seconds is right about where you feel like you have a chance, you know you’re going to have to hustle, it’s close. We called the play and we just didn’t execute it well enough it appears. But no, I didn’t have any problem with the call at all.”

The fact that both Jennings and Finley were moving on the snap is ridiculous. They were there and should easily have had time to get set.

The simple fact is they did get the snap off in plenty of time, but two guys screwed up who should have had no problem getting set. Getting the linemen down there should have been the concern, but it wasn't.

Rodgers probably didn't have the option to spike on the last snap, because he said he saw the clock at :01 when the ball was snapped. Spiking would have ended the game.

The Packers should have had a shot at a TD on the last snap, but Finley and Jennings screwed it up, no one else.

P.S. Nelson had not yet cleared the DB when Rodgers was already into his throw to Driver.

[Noodle]

"We knew it was going to come down to one second," McCarthy said. "That's why, frankly, with the play that I called, and when we hit it, watching the linemen, I knew that was going to be the challenge. I was surprised it was Greg Jennings that was called for the illegal formation."

This quote from MM is consistent with what Patler posted. As another poster noted, Rodgers made some questionable decisions, but this shows that going to Driver down the middle was the object of the play called by MM.

So no way can you say that Rodgers screwed up by executing to perfection the play called by his HC.

[Bossman641]

"We knew it was going to come down to one second," McCarthy said. "That's why, frankly, with the play that I called, and when we hit it, watching the linemen, I knew that was going to be the challenge. I was surprised it was Greg Jennings that was called for the illegal formation."

This quote from MM is consistent with what Patler posted. As another poster noted, Rodgers made some questionable decisions, but this shows that going to Driver down the middle was the object of the play called by MM.

So no way can you say that Rodgers screwed up by executing to perfection the play called by his HC.

Noodle, let me introduce you to my friend Partial

[Partial]

U guys actually believe that coach speak? Lol. I'm sure mm preferred a pass over the middle to a td. :)

[pbmax]

U guys actually believe that coach speak? Lol. I'm sure mm preferred a pass over the middle to a td. :)
Considering that they had time to run a play and possibly spike the ball, yes I don't think its coach speak and agree that it went as designed up until the point that two of the fastest players on the team could not get set before all of the offensive lineman did.

Had Jennings and Finley hustled like the injured Colledge, things might have been very different.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

U guys actually believe that coach speak? Lol. I'm sure mm preferred a pass over the middle to a td. :)

You sure did when Ruvell was cut.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Partial]

U guys actually believe that coach speak? Lol. I'm sure mm preferred a pass over the middle to a td. :)
Considering that they had time to run a play and possibly spike the ball, yes I don't think its coach speak and agree that it went as designed up until the point that two of the fastest players on the team could not get set before all of the offensive lineman did.

Had Jennings and Finley hustled like the injured Colledge, things might have been very different.

16 sec is the minimum is everything goes right. Do you think they would prefer to not have to chance it? Clearly that wasn't the best option.

[falco]

Boys, she's not going down without a fight!

[SkinBasket]

16 sec is the minimum is everything goes right. Do you think they would prefer to not have to chance it? Clearly that wasn't the best option.

You're just fucking mentally bent. Honestly. That is not an insult. That is a medical assessment. Go see your doctor tomorrow Partial. Ask about confabulation. I am not shitting you. You need to look into this, because this shit is not healthy or sane.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

U guys actually believe that doctor speak? Lol.