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GrnBay007
07-24-2006, 09:54 PM
Fine line: Increased amount might limit NFL holdouts

By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com


An increase in the amount that a team can fine a player under contract who fails to report to training camp, with the maximum sanction nearly tripled, will likely reduce the number of holdouts this summer.

First reported by The Boston Globe, the league and the NFL Players Association agreed last week, as part of the extension to the collective bargaining agreement, to increase the daily fine from $5,000 to $14,000 for a player who is under contract and fails to report to camp.

That's an enormous increase and one that will likely make players think twice about withholding services when they know that so much money will be withheld from their paycheck. Franchises don't have to fine players the maximum amount permissible, but it is likely that most would, since the increase provides the clubs so much more leverage.

The fine applies only to players who have contracts. Unsigned players cannot be fined for their absences from training camp.

"It definitely changes the landscape," said the agent for one player who is considering staying out of camp. "That's a lot of money and a guy who was thinking of sitting [out camp] is going to have to rethink what he wants to do."

Some players who could most be affected by the increased fine include wide receivers Deion Branch of New England and Denver's Ashley Lelie, along with Dallas Cowboys defensive end Greg Ellis. Those players missed all or substantial portions of their teams' offseason programs and certainly seemed candidates to not report for the start of camp.

Branch, who is entering the final year of his original contract with the Patriots, is seeking a raise. Lelie wants to be traded and, while the Broncos have dangled him for much of the offseason, have yet to find a team willing to meet their asking price. Ellis has balked at being switched to linebacker, after having played end his entire career, as the Cowboys continue the transition to a 3-4 defense.

Senior writer Len Pasquarelli covers the NFL for ESPN.com.

HarveyWallbangers
07-24-2006, 10:01 PM
Good.

woodbuck27
07-24-2006, 10:05 PM
A One week holdout almost $100 K yikes ! That's a serious fine.

Thanks for posting that, not that we have anything serious now to be concerned with.

Great and timely PR move on behalf of Al Harris to confirm he'll be at TC - last week.

Bretsky
07-24-2006, 10:11 PM
Be some big fines for JW to incur if TT hadn't let Denver rob us

Rastak
07-24-2006, 10:21 PM
Be some big fines for JW to incur if TT hadn't let Denver rob us


I don't know Bretsky, I don't think Denver robbed you. It's very similar to the Vikes with Culpepper. There are certain forces at work that limit what you can do. Now TT trading down after getting a two was interesting but the compensation was fair in my opinion.

woodbuck27
07-25-2006, 11:57 AM
Previously, the maximum daily fine for missing a mandatory training camp day was $6,000. That now is $14,000 a day, though several general managers said Monday they had not officially been notified of the change but were proceeding under the new guidelines.

That said, it means if Lelie stays away for the days the Broncos practice or play before their Aug. 19 preseason game against Tennessee at Invesco Field at Mile High, it would cost him $294,000.

That total balloons to more than $600,000 if he stays away for the entire preseason.

The Broncos are expected to immediately send Lelie a letter notifying him he is being fined if he does not report Thursday. They also are expected to try to recover some of Lelie's original signing bonus if he stays away into the regular season.

Comment: That was OUR Option (T2's) with Javon Walker.

woodbuck27
07-25-2006, 12:03 PM
Eagles HC Andy Reid denied reports. . . .

that the Eagles had interest in disgruntled wide receiver Ashley Lelie, who attempted to force a traded by skipping the Denver Broncos’ offseason workouts and is threatening to hold out of training camp.

"I’m not going to get into all of that," Reid said after practice Monday. "We haven’t done anything there."

Lelie (6-3, 200) caught 42 passes for 770 yards (18.3 ypc.) with one touchdown in 13 starts last year with the Broncos. In four NFL seasons, the No. 1 pick out of Hawaii has averaged 42 receptions, 752 receiving yards and 3 TDs.

Comment : WOW !

Lelie requested a trade when the Broncos acquired wide receiver Javon Walker in a draft day deal from the Green Bay Packers for a second round pick. The Eagles offered the Packers a less glamorous second-rounder for Walker.

The Eagles previously inquired about Lelie but privately felt they already had a similar receiver in Todd Pinkston.

Pinkston, coming back from a torn Achilles’ tendon, lined up with Reggie Brown and the first team in the first Eagles full-squad practice Monday.

woodbuck27
07-25-2006, 12:07 PM
From : PFT

It has been pointed out to us that the $14,000 is merely a maximum, and that teams are allowed to go with a lower fine, if they so choose.

In our view, however, if a team is sufficiently pissed off about a holdout to impose a fine, the fine imposed will be the maximum. If/when the guy shows up, the ultimate price tag might be lower; until then, the only way to leverage a guy under contract to honor said contract is to hit him with everything that the team has at its disposal.

The two most likely holdouts for 2006 training camps are Pats receiver Deion Branch and Broncos receiver Ashley Lelie. Cowboys defensive end Greg Ellis and Packers cornerback Al Harris recently indicated that, despite unhappiness with their respective situations, they will report for camp.

But beware, Deion and Ashley -- that $14,000 a day becomes $98,000 after one week, and $196,000 after two.[/b]

Bretsky
07-25-2006, 09:38 PM
Be some big fines for JW to incur if TT hadn't let Denver rob us


I don't know Bretsky, I don't think Denver robbed you. It's very similar to the Vikes with Culpepper. There are certain forces at work that limit what you can do. Now TT trading down after getting a two was interesting but the compensation was fair in my opinion.

Rastak,

On a sidenote IMO, the Dolphins robbed you too.


Cheers,
B

cpk1994
07-26-2006, 06:29 AM
The dolphins robbed the vikes? A second rounder for a QB with THREE torn ligaments in one knee? YOu are smoking heavy stuff to think that.

Rastak
07-26-2006, 07:13 AM
The dolphins robbed the vikes? A second rounder for a QB with THREE torn ligaments in one knee? YOu are smoking heavy stuff to think that.


Although if reports are true and he is able to start the season....well......

Truth is, he hasn't had quite the same speed as he did before his first knee injury....we'll have to see if he's lost anything...you gotta think he has.

Zool
07-26-2006, 07:31 AM
He's lost some speed, you would have to think. He never was the best decision maker. Without Moss he would never have looked so good IMO.

Bretsky
07-26-2006, 08:25 AM
The dolphins robbed the vikes? A second rounder for a QB with THREE torn ligaments in one knee? YOu are smoking heavy stuff to think that.

Look at what the average 2nd rounder turns out to be. Look at JW and Culpepper. You'd be nuts not to give up a 2nd rounder for young guys like that have that much upside. Those were very easy deals to make for Miami and Denver.

NewsBruin
07-26-2006, 09:23 PM
A second-rounder for the guy with the most turnovers per game in NFL history?

I just think people are expecting too much out of him when he recovers. He wasn't that great to begin with, just a load to take down.

Bretsky
07-26-2006, 10:12 PM
A second rounder is not that much for an established player.

Heck, look at the history of GB's round two picks. I'd certainly rather have Culpepper or Walker for nearly every one of them.