I would like Patler's take on the game tomorrow

[Rastak]

I see you lurking around. You are a top rate poster on this board.

I would love to get your take on tomorrow's game!

[falco]

Does Patler have opinions? I thought he only offered insightful analysis that allows us to draw our own conclusions.

[Rastak]

Does Patler have opinions? I thought he only offered insightful analysis that allows us to draw our own conclusions.


Ok, point well taken. I would like to get his insightful analysis!

[falco]

Does Patler have opinions? I thought he only offered insightful analysis that allows us to draw our own conclusions.


Ok, point well taken. I would like to get his insightful analysis!

I'll second that!

[MJZiggy]

Me three!

[Brando19]

Where you at, Patler? What's going to happen tomorrow night?

[Scott Campbell]

If he's predicting the Packers are going to lose, I'd rather not hear it. Sorry Patler.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Patler has spoken about his views on the nature of this forum lately.

[Deputy Nutz]

Patler's response

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[Deputy Nutz]

Patler has spoken about his views on the nature of this forum lately.

Fantastic.

[SkinBasket]

Take Rashad's nuts out yo mouth, then talk to me.

[Deputy Nutz]

Take Rashad's nuts out yo mouth, then talk to me.

Rampage is no longer in the UFC so that quote is now defunct

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[Patler]

Apparently my arguments are so convincing, that rather than seeing my opinions as mine, people think they are their own! :lol:

If Favre tries to show up TT, MM and the GB organization, we will see a bunch of interceptions and the Packers could win. If Favre maintains his control, is willing to play as a complement to Peterson and the running game, the Vikings will win.

Keys to the game:

1. Favre's mental attitude and/or Bevell's ability to keep him under control. And I do mean Bevell, not Childress, Kevin Rogers or anyone else. Bevell knows Favre, how he reacts, how he can lose focus, and what is needed to keep him on track. Although, realistically, those who did it the best were Tom Clements and Mike McCarthy. I don't think Bevell ever did under Sherman.

2. Colledge has to play very well at LT for the Packers to have a chance. More than the defense stopping Peterson, more than any other player except Rodgers, for the Packers the game hinges on Colledge. I have never been a supporter of Colledge as the LT of the future.

3. For the Packers to win, their special teams have to outplay the Viking's special teams. Not play them to a draw, outplay them.

4. The Packers will need a touchdown on defense or special teams to win.

The Packers have not started seasons particularly well under McCarthy. The Vikings seem to get out of the gate better under Childress, but haven't always finished well. I expect the Vikings to win at home on Monday. Would I bet money on it? Absolutely not, because I think a lot of the pieces are in place on the Packers, and they will have a good season. The question is when will they put it all together. I do not see them doing it this week.

On a side note: The Vikings tend to finish poorly, so they pick up Favre, who tends to finish poorly. A marriage made in heaven for Packer and Bear fans!! :lol: :lol:

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[Tyrone Bigguns]

Patler has spoken about his views on the nature of this forum lately.

Fantastic.

Superb.

[Patler]

If he's predicting the Packers are going to lose, I'd rather not hear it. Sorry Patler.

Oops. Sorry!

[Deputy Nutz]

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[Packers4Ever]

Me three!


Me four ~ (whoops!) Wrong number ? ? ? :oops:

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Like your vagina?

That is correct. Another example would be your penis.

We're a perfect couple then.

[MJZiggy]

It took me a minute to get that. :lol:

[Rastak]

Apparently my arguments are so convincing, that rather than seeing my opinions as mine, people think they are their own! :lol:

If Favre tries to show up TT, MM and the GB organization, we will see a bunch of interceptions and the Packers could win. If Favre maintains his control, is willing to play as a complement to Peterson and the running game, the Vikings will win.

Keys to the game:

1. Favre's mental attitude and/or Bevell's ability to keep him under control. And I do mean Bevell, not Childress, Kevin Rogers or anyone else. Bevell knows Favre, how he reacts, how he can lose focus, and what is needed to keep him on track. Although, realistically, those who did it the best were Tom Clements and Mike McCarthy. I don't think Bevell ever did under Sherman.

2. Colledge has to play very well at LT for the Packers to have a chance. More than the defense stopping Peterson, more than any other player except Rodgers, for the Packers the game hinges on Colledge. I have never been a supporter of Colledge as the LT of the future.

3. For the Packers to win, their special teams have to outplay the Viking's special teams. Not play them to a draw, outplay them.

4. The Packers will need a touchdown on defense or special teams to win.

The Packers have not started seasons particularly well under McCarthy. The Vikings seem to get out of the gate better under Childress, but haven't always finished well. I expect the Vikings to win at home on Monday. Would I bet money on it? Absolutely not, because I think a lot of the pieces are in place on the Packers, and they will have a good season. The question is when will they put it all together. I do not see them doing it this week.

On a side note: The Vikings tend to finish poorly, so they pick up Favre, who tends to finish poorly. A marriage made in heaven for Packer and Bear fans!! :lol: :lol:


Thanks Patler!

[Packers4Ever]

Thanks very much for your post, Patler, I especially zeroed in on Colledge and the O in general, I am rapidly losing (or maybe did already) any faith
in the upkeep of our O line and the habitual game of musical chairs. Will it ever stop?

Hopefully, Clifton will be back and in good enough shape to help *shore* things up. Where have we heard that phrase before ??? :?

[bobblehead]

If Favre maintains his control, is willing to play as a complement to Peterson and the running game, the Vikings will win.


and strangely validate what MM was trying to get him to do the whole time :shock:

[Partial]

If Favre maintains his control, is willing to play as a complement to Peterson and the running game, the Vikings will win.


and strangely validate what MM was trying to get him to do the whole time :shock:

I'm not sure what you are implying by this, but it shouldn't be shocking because they had a great deal of success when MM reigned him in imo. I think Favre probably was very grateful for it as he saw how successful the team could ultimately be.

I would have to think he wishes he had protected the ball better in his earlier years. Who knows what the team could have accomplished in the early 2000s.

[pbmax]

I would have to think he wishes he had protected the ball better in his earlier years. Who knows what the team could have accomplished in the early 2000s.
Outside of the last three games he has played, have you ever seen a sign that Favre truly wants to change his throwing game?

He is willful, dominant and stubborn. When McGinn praises him, he starts by saying his will to win and compete is greater than he has ever seen before. That he would never bet against him. That's saying something coming from McGinn.

But after Holmgren, as Patler said, the only people to get to him value possession were McCarthy and Clements. And they got to him for one season. Ironically that season ended, in part, because of an INT.

The truly remarkable part of Favre, outside of his intense desire to always play and win, is his willingness not the be the center of the offense. Very few complaints were heard out of him while Ahman was having career years and Favre was throwing it less and less. Very few top of the line QBs would be willing to play second fiddle. Favre was and probably is.

I don't think the threat to the Vikings season (and Favre's) is that he won't be willing to subsume himself to the running game. I think he will. The threat is when he has to throw to win. Then old habits will die hard.

[LEWCWA]

My keys to a Packer win
1-offense--They need to get the TE more involved in the O-gameplan.


2-defense--They need to force AP to beat them. Don't let Brett.

3-ST-Crosby can't miss any fieldgoals.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

My keys to a Packer win


2-defense--They need to force Brett to beat them. Don't let AP .

Fixed

[Zool]

My keys to a Packer win
1-offense--They need to get the TE more involved in the O-gameplan.


2-defense--They need to force AP to beat them. Don't let Brett.

3-ST-Crosby can't miss any fieldgoals.

This would assume that they bothered to try and get the TE's involved at all.

[pbmax]

My keys to a Packer win
1-offense--They need to get the TE more involved in the O-gameplan.


2-defense--They need to force AP to beat them. Don't let Brett.

3-ST-Crosby can't miss any fieldgoals.

This would assume that they bothered to try and get the TE's involved at all.
I don't think its the gameplan per se, its the protection. We keep max protecting and that pulls the TE out of the route.

[Zool]

My keys to a Packer win
1-offense--They need to get the TE more involved in the O-gameplan.


2-defense--They need to force AP to beat them. Don't let Brett.

3-ST-Crosby can't miss any fieldgoals.

This would assume that they bothered to try and get the TE's involved at all.
I don't think its the gameplan per se, its the protection. We keep max protecting and that pulls the TE out of the route.

A few well timed seam routes with our TE's might keep the other teams a lot more honest with their LB's. I guess its a chicken/egg scenario but I see a pretty vanilla O so far this year.

[3irty1]

Wow Patler, we NEED at TD on defense or special teams to win?! Not good odds.

How many points does it take to win this one? I say 28 and I believe the offense capable of scoring that against anyone.

[pbmax]

My keys to a Packer win
1-offense--They need to get the TE more involved in the O-gameplan.


2-defense--They need to force AP to beat them. Don't let Brett.

3-ST-Crosby can't miss any fieldgoals.

This would assume that they bothered to try and get the TE's involved at all.
I don't think its the gameplan per se, its the protection. We keep max protecting and that pulls the TE out of the route.

A few well timed seam routes with our TE's might keep the other teams a lot more honest with their LB's. I guess its a chicken/egg scenario but I see a pretty vanilla O so far this year.
I can see that this week, especially being on the road. M3's gameplan against the Vikes D in 07 was one of my favorites. Stayed with the run with much more success than anticipated, but also some four and five receiver routes. But that was at Lambeau.

[swede]

My keys to a Packer win


2-defense--They need to force Brett to beat them. Don't let AP .

Fixed

That's what I thought as well.

Baiting Brent into taking chances is > than letting AD get into the 2nd level.

[mmmdk]

If he's predicting the Packers are going to lose, I'd rather not hear it. Sorry Patler.

Oops. Sorry!

...I know this guy from Belgium he says Packers lose too :lol:

[mmmdk]

Apparently my arguments are so convincing, that rather than seeing my opinions as mine, people think they are their own! :lol:

If Favre tries to show up TT, MM and the GB organization, we will see a bunch of interceptions and the Packers could win. If Favre maintains his control, is willing to play as a complement to Peterson and the running game, the Vikings will win.

Keys to the game:

1. Favre's mental attitude and/or Bevell's ability to keep him under control. And I do mean Bevell, not Childress, Kevin Rogers or anyone else. Bevell knows Favre, how he reacts, how he can lose focus, and what is needed to keep him on track. Although, realistically, those who did it the best were Tom Clements and Mike McCarthy. I don't think Bevell ever did under Sherman.

2. Colledge has to play very well at LT for the Packers to have a chance. More than the defense stopping Peterson, more than any other player except Rodgers, for the Packers the game hinges on Colledge. I have never been a supporter of Colledge as the LT of the future.

3. For the Packers to win, their special teams have to outplay the Viking's special teams. Not play them to a draw, outplay them.

4. The Packers will need a touchdown on defense or special teams to win.

The Packers have not started seasons particularly well under McCarthy. The Vikings seem to get out of the gate better under Childress, but haven't always finished well. I expect the Vikings to win at home on Monday. Would I bet money on it? Absolutely not, because I think a lot of the pieces are in place on the Packers, and they will have a good season. The question is when will they put it all together. I do not see them doing it this week.

On a side note: The Vikings tend to finish poorly, so they pick up Favre, who tends to finish poorly. A marriage made in heaven for Packer and Bear fans!! :lol: :lol:

Thanx - nice post. I've actually put money on vikes to win...so I'll at least get $$ or even better...a Packer win :D

[Freak Out]

What the Packers need more than anything to win is a fucking running game....if Rodgers is forced to pass all the time he's a dead man.

Grant and company better earn their money tonight.

[mraynrand]

When summoning Patler, don't forget the Patler signal:

http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/qq254/mraynrand/patlersignal.jpg

[Freak Out]

When summoning Patler, don't forget the Patler signal:

http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/qq254/mraynrand/patlersignal.jpg

:lol:

Does Patler have an office in a cave as well? Does Patler have a butler?

[gbgary]

Apparently my arguments are so convincing, that rather than seeing my opinions as mine, people think they are their own!

here are my thoughts if anyone is interested...



If Favre tries to show up TT, MM and the GB organization, we will see a bunch of interceptions and the Packers could win. If Favre maintains his control, is willing to play as a complement to Peterson and the running game, the Vikings will win.

Keys to the game:

1. Favre's mental attitude and/or Bevell's ability to keep him under control. And I do mean Bevell, not Childress, Kevin Rogers or anyone else. Bevell knows Favre, how he reacts, how he can lose focus, and what is needed to keep him on track. Although, realistically, those who did it the best were Tom Clements and Mike McCarthy. I don't think Bevell ever did under Sherman.

2. Colledge has to play very well at LT for the Packers to have a chance. More than the defense stopping Peterson, more than any other player except Rodgers, for the Packers the game hinges on Colledge. I have never been a supporter of Colledge as the LT of the future.

3. For the Packers to win, their special teams have to outplay the Viking's special teams. Not play them to a draw, outplay them.

4. The Packers will need a touchdown on defense or special teams to win.

The Packers have not started seasons particularly well under McCarthy. The Vikings seem to get out of the gate better under Childress, but haven't always finished well. I expect the Vikings to win at home on Monday. Would I bet money on it? Absolutely not, because I think a lot of the pieces are in place on the Packers, and they will have a good season. The question is when will they put it all together. I do not see them doing it this week.

On a side note: The Vikings tend to finish poorly, so they pick up Favre, who tends to finish poorly. A marriage made in heaven for Packer and Bear fans!! :lol: :lol:

[LEWCWA]

My keys to a Packer win


2-defense--They need to force Brett to beat them. Don't let AP .

Fixed

and here is more of the same, only missing the sacastic comment. If you don't agree fine say why, don't be an asshole!

I have a reason for my thought. Usually teams with great running games won't be able to run up the score in the NFL, so if you shut down the passing game from the get go you keep yourself in the game thoughout. Now if we keep it close, we have a shot. I look to the indy/miami game, Dolphins run all over Colts but couldn't put them away. Presto Indy wins game.....

[mraynrand]

When summoning Patler, don't forget the Patler signal:

http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/qq254/mraynrand/patlersignal.jpg

:lol:

Does Patler have an office in a cave as well? Does Patler have a butler?

He really should have both!

[Gunakor]

My keys to a Packer win


2-defense--They need to force Brett to beat them. Don't let AP .

Fixed

and here is more of the same, only missing the sacastic comment. If you don't agree fine say why, don't be an asshole!

I have a reason for my thought. Usually teams with great running games won't be able to run up the score in the NFL, so if you shut down the passing game from the get go you keep yourself in the game thoughout. Now if we keep it close, we have a shot. I look to the indy/miami game, Dolphins run all over Colts but couldn't put them away. Presto Indy wins game.....

Peterson ran all over us last year, to the tune of nearly 200 yards. He can run up the score all by himself. But the bigger reason to focus on Peterson and make Favre beat us is that Favre is prone to making mistakes where Peterson is not.

The way to win this game is to try and force the Vikings into making mistakes, and then capitalizing on those mistakes. Favre will make that killer mistake - he's done it more than once before. So if I'm the Packers defense, that's what I'm looking to try to do. I'm trying to shut down AP as well as I can and bait Favre into making one of his killer mistakes. That's the blueprint the Niners defense laid out last week and almost won. We just have to execute that blueprint better - don't drop the easy pick 6.

[LEWCWA]

My keys to a Packer win


2-defense--They need to force Brett to beat them. Don't let AP .

Fixed

and here is more of the same, only missing the sacastic comment. If you don't agree fine say why, don't be an asshole!

I have a reason for my thought. Usually teams with great running games won't be able to run up the score in the NFL, so if you shut down the passing game from the get go you keep yourself in the game thoughout. Now if we keep it close, we have a shot. I look to the indy/miami game, Dolphins run all over Colts but couldn't put them away. Presto Indy wins game.....

Peterson ran all over us last year, to the tune of nearly 200 yards. He can run up the score all by himself. But the bigger reason to focus on Peterson and make Favre beat us is that Favre is prone to making mistakes where Peterson is not.

The way to win this game is to try and force the Vikings into making mistakes, and then capitalizing on those mistakes. Favre will make that killer mistake - he's done it more than once before. So if I'm the Packers defense, that's what I'm looking to try to do. I'm trying to shut down AP as well as I can and bait Favre into making one of his killer mistakes. That's the blueprint the Niners defense laid out last week and almost won. We just have to execute that blueprint better - don't drop the easy pick 6.


Now I appreciate that line of thought and it is probably what most people think. I just have a feeling they need to go against the conventional thinking in this one. I do get a kick out of all the Favre will give you the game. Sure it has happened, but I still maintain he has taken more than he has given. The guy has won more than anybody else.
Teams conventionally use the pass to score points and the run to control tempo and time. Stop them from scoring and you in the ball game. I know AP could take over the game on his own, but even he doesn't do that most games...stop the pass.

[LEWCWA]

TE in the middle of the field!!!!

[LEWCWA]

My keys to a Packer win


2-defense--They need to force Brett to beat them. Don't let AP .

Fixed

Sorry to bring this back, not really, but wth, these were my keys to winning. If you disagree, fine, say why. Don't just desicrate my opinion and post.

Anyhow how does you opinion look after 2 games. Some dude named BF has thoroughly emabarassed us!

[LEWCWA]

My keys to a Packer win
1-offense--They need to get the TE more involved in the O-gameplan.


2-defense--They need to force AP to beat them. Don't let Brett.

3-ST-Crosby can't miss any fieldgoals.

I wanted to comment on this after the first game, but i was uncerimoniously banned for awhile. Anyhow, water under the bridge, right Retailguy!

Anyhow, this is a good time to look back. I think they have utilized the TE better lately. Losing Finely is a killer!

My opinion on the Defese still hasn't changed, I understand AP can dominate a game, but so can Brett. My reasoning for this is explosive plays are usually carried out in the passing game, not the running game. The running game usually helps set up these explosive plays. Now I maybe right and I maybe wrong, but I think games 1 and 2 have showed that stopping AP wasn't the answer.

ST- I guess I should have said Crosby can't attempt FG, Needs to kick extra points. Put the damn thing in the endzone!!!