Would the Pack D be better w/Gregg Williams?

[rbaloha1]

The Saints D is playing well in a 4-3 pressure d. Recall Williams was under strong consideration as the Packer Defensive Coordinator.

Would the Packers defense be better under Williams? Your thoughts Packers Nation.

[bobblehead]

No, this is on MM at this point. YOu can't tell me Dom WANTS to rush 3 guys on 3rd and 7-12.

[mraynrand]

No, this is on MM at this point. YOu can't tell me Dom WANTS to rush 3 guys on 3rd and 7-12.

I thought Capers was in complete control of the defense.

[rbaloha1]

The point is maybe the transition would be better. Kampman is probably more effective in a Williams scheme vs. Capers scheme.

[Sparkey]

The Saints D is playing well in a 4-3 pressure d. Recall Williams was under strong consideration as the Packer Defensive Coordinator.

Would the Packers defense be better under Williams? Your thoughts Packers Nation.

Williams did not want to come to Green Bay as he has family in the south, so the question is irrelevant because he was never an option to begin with.

[rbaloha1]

The Saints D is playing well in a 4-3 pressure d. Recall Williams was under strong consideration as the Packer Defensive Coordinator.

Would the Packers defense be better under Williams? Your thoughts Packers Nation.

Williams did not want to come to Green Bay as he has family in the south, so the question is irrelevant because he was never an option to begin with.

Are you saying he used the Packers to get his Saints position? If I recall correctly, the Packers were wishy washy with Williams due to his strong personality and potential inability to mesh with TT.

[Sparkey]

The Saints D is playing well in a 4-3 pressure d. Recall Williams was under strong consideration as the Packer Defensive Coordinator.

Would the Packers defense be better under Williams? Your thoughts Packers Nation.

Williams did not want to come to Green Bay as he has family in the south, so the question is irrelevant because he was never an option to begin with.

Are you saying he used the Packers to get his Saints position? If I recall correctly, the Packers were wishy washy with Williams due to his strong personality and potential inability to mesh with TT.

I recall an interview that he said that being near his family was important for him. That earlier in his career he would have jumped at the chance to coach the Packer D, but after being in Buffalo previously, he wanted to stay closer to home. Or something like that.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

No, this is on MM at this point. YOu can't tell me Dom WANTS to rush 3 guys on 3rd and 7-12.

Have to disagree. DC is in complete control.

Two things:

1. He may want to blitz, but doesn't feel we are assigmment sure, we haven't learned the defense yet.
2. He may have felt comfortable with our original starting package, but i doubt he wants to blitz knowing that martin is the guy back as the last line of defense.

[MTPackerfan]

Didn't we also have a shot at hiring Mike Nolan who went to Denver with his 3-4 and they are the number 1 defense in teh league?

[Scott Campbell]

The Saints D is playing well in a 4-3 pressure d. Recall Williams was under strong consideration as the Packer Defensive Coordinator.

Would the Packers defense be better under Williams? Your thoughts Packers Nation.


Why Williams and not Mike Nolan?

[Scott Campbell]

Didn't we also have a shot at hiring Mike Nolan who went to Denver with his 3-4 and they are the number 1 defense in teh league?


Copycat.

[mraynrand]

The Saints D is playing well in a 4-3 pressure d. Recall Williams was under strong consideration as the Packer Defensive Coordinator.

Would the Packers defense be better under Williams? Your thoughts Packers Nation.


Why Williams and not Mike Nolan?

Why not hire Mike Holmgren as offensive coordinator?

[Cheesehead Craig]

The Saints D is playing well in a 4-3 pressure d. Recall Williams was under strong consideration as the Packer Defensive Coordinator.

Would the Packers defense be better under Williams? Your thoughts Packers Nation.


Why Williams and not Mike Nolan?

Why not hire Mike Holmgren as offensive coordinator?

Then we could also have Mike Martz, Mike Tomlin & Mike Singletary

[denverYooper]

Didn't we also have a shot at hiring Mike Nolan who went to Denver with his 3-4 and they are the number 1 defense in teh league?

Yeah, Denver is playing well so far. It helps that Dumervil is an absolute terror @OLB and Dawkins has been a force at Strong Safety, 2 big things we seem to have issues with.

If we have an OLB who is getting even half the pressure of Doom, our 3-4 looks much better wrt pass rush. I'm hoping CM3 comes around to be that guy eventually.

And SS, well... ya know...

[rbaloha1]

The Saints D is playing well in a 4-3 pressure d. Recall Williams was under strong consideration as the Packer Defensive Coordinator.

Would the Packers defense be better under Williams? Your thoughts Packers Nation.

Yes. Especially since MM were on the same staff and good friends.

Why Williams and not Mike Nolan?

[Bretsky]

My take

Williams used Green Bay and this was his insurance.
GB liked Nolan more than Capers

Both chose to go elsewhere and we then landed the deal with Capers

All three are quality coaches

[pbmax]

My take

Williams used Green Bay and this was his insurance.
GB liked Nolan more than Capers

Both chose to go elsewhere and we then landed the deal with Capers

All three are quality coaches
There is doubt about Nolan and a contract offer, but the reporting seemed to indicate that as soon as Denver became a possibility, Nolan headed west. But the Press Gazette and JS had the Packer's interest as genuine. And first choice.

[MTPackerfan]

Didn't we also have a shot at hiring Mike Nolan who went to Denver with his 3-4 and they are the number 1 defense in teh league?


Copycat.

Sorry but I believe you, sir, are the copycat. My post was first. :lol:

[Tyrone Bigguns]

The Saints D is playing well in a 4-3 pressure d. Recall Williams was under strong consideration as the Packer Defensive Coordinator.

Would the Packers defense be better under Williams? Your thoughts Packers Nation.


Why Williams and not Mike Nolan?

Why not hire Mike Holmgren as offensive coordinator?

Why can't i just date supermodels?

[MJZiggy]

The Saints D is playing well in a 4-3 pressure d. Recall Williams was under strong consideration as the Packer Defensive Coordinator.

Would the Packers defense be better under Williams? Your thoughts Packers Nation.


Why Williams and not Mike Nolan?

Why not hire Mike Holmgren as offensive coordinator?

Why can't i just date supermodels?

You could, but you'd be alone a lot.

[Scott Campbell]

Didn't we also have a shot at hiring Mike Nolan who went to Denver with his 3-4 and they are the number 1 defense in teh league?


Copycat.

Sorry but I believe you, sir, are the copycat. My post was first. :lol:


Only chronologically. Quit stealing my ideas before I think of them.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

The Saints D is playing well in a 4-3 pressure d. Recall Williams was under strong consideration as the Packer Defensive Coordinator.

Would the Packers defense be better under Williams? Your thoughts Packers Nation.


Why Williams and not Mike Nolan?

Why not hire Mike Holmgren as offensive coordinator?

Why can't i just date supermodels?

You could, but you'd be alone a lot.

And, that would be different how?
:lol:

[MJZiggy]

The Saints D is playing well in a 4-3 pressure d. Recall Williams was under strong consideration as the Packer Defensive Coordinator.

Would the Packers defense be better under Williams? Your thoughts Packers Nation.


Why Williams and not Mike Nolan?

Why not hire Mike Holmgren as offensive coordinator?

Why can't i just date supermodels?

You could, but you'd be alone a lot.

And, that would be different how?
:lol:

You'd have an excuse? :huh:

[SnakeLH2006]

To Topic: Nope. Dom is the man. Look at the last times he joined new teams. Amazing stats. Same will be here by the end of 2009. Quote it.

[Gunakor]

Dom brought pressure against Chicago, and forced Cutler into throwing 4 INT's amidst an altogether horrible day for him. He did not bring pressure against Favre, and Favre had a career day.

I hope he understands. This defense begins and ends with pressure.

[SnakeLH2006]

Dom brought pressure against Chicago, and forced Cutler into throwing 4 INT's amidst an altogether horrible day for him. He did not bring pressure against Favre, and Favre had a career day.

I hope he understands. This defense begins and ends with pressure.

Snake's not worried. Let's worry about that putrid OLine.

Great gray beards of Zeus...Lord Favre is a god. Live and learn.

[rbaloha1]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/63905657.html

[rbaloha1]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/63905657.html

[Bretsky]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/63905657.html


VERY solid article here; it seemed pretty apparent to me that we wanted Williams as well.

But all 3 are great candidates that should find long term success

New Systems for all; takes players time to adjust obviously
but two of the three are succeeding right off the bat

So what's the big difference ? Were the Saints or Bronocs talent really much better then GB last year

So what's the difference ?


shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhh

don't say that word to TTT :lol:

[rbaloha1]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/63905657.html


VERY solid article here; it seemed pretty apparent to me that we wanted Williams as well.

But all 3 are great candidates that should find long term success

New Systems for all; takes players time to adjust obviously
but two of the three are succeeding right off the bat

So what's the big difference ? Were the Saints or Bronocs talent really much better then GB last year

So what's the difference ?


shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhh

don't say that word to TTT :lol:

The question if one of the other 2 coordinators would also the Packers unbeaten.

[Bretsky]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/63905657.html


VERY solid article here; it seemed pretty apparent to me that we wanted Williams as well.

But all 3 are great candidates that should find long term success

New Systems for all; takes players time to adjust obviously
but two of the three are succeeding right off the bat

So what's the big difference ? Were the Saints or Bronocs talent really much better then GB last year

So what's the difference ?


shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhh

don't say that word to TTT :lol:

The question if one of the other 2 coordinators would also the Packers unbeaten.

Na, I don't think so. MAYBE we'd have another win but I don't put much blame on Capers.

Break down our defensive weaknesses. We sure could use a few vets mixed into the loop who know what they are doing

I don't think it's a coordinator thing
I have not decided if it's a we just don't have enough talent OR too many young guys will make this a slower transition thing

[pbmax]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/63905657.html


VERY solid article here; it seemed pretty apparent to me that we wanted Williams as well.

But all 3 are great candidates that should find long term success

New Systems for all; takes players time to adjust obviously
but two of the three are succeeding right off the bat

So what's the big difference ? Were the Saints or Bronocs talent really much better then GB last year

So what's the difference ?


shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhh

don't say that word to TTT :lol:
age?

[pbmax]

The point is maybe the transition would be better. Kampman is probably more effective in a Williams scheme vs. Capers scheme.
One portion of this debate isn't really up for debate. Williams was reported to have been offered a contract and went to the Saints. So this wasn't really a choice. If he wanted to be in Green Bay, he would be.

[wist43]

Again... it's going to take time to transition. If the Packers can get to middle of the pack in defensive stats, that's progress.

TT has to make a committment moving forward to change over the personnel though.

While Capers is too conservative for my liking in general, his hands are tied in terms of talent. That LB'ing corp is simply not very good... and in a 3-4, you need talent at LB.

[Fritz]

I don't need to date super models. I'll take a regular one.

[MJZiggy]

Everybody wants the damned model.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Everybody wants the damned model.

Not Ty...but, you forced him into it. :wink:

[Brandon494]

Yes they would be better, not because Greg Williams is any better of a coach than Dom Capers but the simple fact they we had to learn a new defense under Capers.

[Gunakor]

Yes they would be better, not because Greg Williams is any better of a coach than Dom Capers but the simple fact they we had to learn a new defense under Capers.

I think if we stick with Capers for a few years, time enough for us to get the right players for his scheme, time enough for the players to master that scheme, Capers' defense is going to be better than Williams' defense. So if we're not talking about this year alone, specifically, I think we made the right choice for the Packers.

[Bretsky]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/63905657.html


VERY solid article here; it seemed pretty apparent to me that we wanted Williams as well.

But all 3 are great candidates that should find long term success

New Systems for all; takes players time to adjust obviously
but two of the three are succeeding right off the bat

So what's the big difference ? Were the Saints or Bronocs talent really much better then GB last year

So what's the difference ?


shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhh

don't say that word to TTT :lol:
age?


lol
I would recategorize that to capable veteran players

[Fritz]

Everybody wants the damned model.

Maybe you are model-esque.


Model-icious.

[MJZiggy]

Everybody wants the damned model.

Maybe you are model-esque.


Model-icious.

:oops: :hrt: :hug:







(always nice to be appreciated by a hottie...)

[MJZiggy]

Wait just a minute here!!




Why can't i just date supermodels?

Then

I don't need to date super models. I'll take a regular one.

And then


Everybody wants the damned model.

Maybe you are model-esque.


Model-icious.

Are you saying you want to date me??? :bump:

[Deputy Nutz]

I just threw up in my mouth.. There is a place for this you know.

[pbmax]

I just threw up in my mouth.. There is a place for this you know.
The backseat of Frtiz's Chevy Malibu Station Wagon?

But I am confused, will Ty be there? In the front seat maybe?

[Pugger]

Yes they would be better, not because Greg Williams is any better of a coach than Dom Capers but the simple fact they we had to learn a new defense under Capers.

I suspect the guys are still working out the kinks with this new defense and that is why they are inconsistant. I would think they'll be a hell of lot more assignment sure as the season progresses.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I just threw up in my mouth.. There is a place for this you know.
The backseat of Frtiz's Chevy Malibu Station Wagon?

But I am confused, will Ty be there? In the front seat maybe?

Ty is wondering about "hottie" fritz.

Ty hates fritz.

[MJZiggy]

I just threw up in my mouth.. There is a place for this you know.
The backseat of Frtiz's Chevy Malibu Station Wagon?

But I am confused, will Ty be there? In the front seat maybe?

Ty is wondering about "hottie" fritz.

Ty hates fritz.

Oh lay off. You have Pugger.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I just threw up in my mouth.. There is a place for this you know.
The backseat of Frtiz's Chevy Malibu Station Wagon?

But I am confused, will Ty be there? In the front seat maybe?

Ty is wondering about "hottie" fritz.

Ty hates fritz.

Oh lay off. You have Pugger.

You and Fritz....same as Brett and the Vikings.

Sure, i have pugger/arod...but, it still churns my stomach watching you and fritz.

What makes Fritz so dreamy?

[MJZiggy]

If you, (TT) weren't always looking for my replacement...(call me old and I'll deck you).

What makes Fritz dreamy? He's funny, always respectful and his grammar is impeccable. 8-)

Enough already. We wouldn't want Nutz to become bulimic over this now. Mrs. Nutz likely wouldn't like that. If Fritz wants me, he knows what to do.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

If you, (TT) weren't always looking for my replacement...(call me old and I'll deck you).

What makes Fritz dreamy? He's funny, always respectful and his grammar is impeccable. 8-)

Enough already. We wouldn't want Nutz to become bulimic over this now. Mrs. Nutz likely wouldn't like that. If Fritz wants me, he knows what to do.

No. ty still thinks you are several more serviceable years. Ty wouldn't move on till you were 40ish. :lol:

Stop flirting with fritz in front of me.

[Fritz]

Who new that good grammer could pay off with the ladies.

Not me, expecially back in junior high school.

[pbmax]

Who new that good grammer could pay off with the ladies.

Not me, expecially back in junior high school.
I see what you did there.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Who new that good grammer could pay off with the ladies.

Not me, expecially back in junior high school.

MJ,

Look at Fritz taking a dive in the 5th.

Character counts, Fritz. :wink:

[Pugger]

I just threw up in my mouth.. There is a place for this you know.
The backseat of Frtiz's Chevy Malibu Station Wagon?

But I am confused, will Ty be there? In the front seat maybe?

Ty is wondering about "hottie" fritz.

Ty hates fritz.

Oh lay off. You have Pugger.

:oops:

[Partial]

I just threw up in my mouth.. There is a place for this you know.

Why did you tag a picture of me as "pillow" on facebook? :lol: The GF is probably like wtf

[Partial]

Yes they would be better, not because Greg Williams is any better of a coach than Dom Capers but the simple fact they we had to learn a new defense under Capers.

I think if we stick with Capers for a few years, time enough for us to get the right players for his scheme, time enough for the players to master that scheme, Capers' defense is going to be better than Williams' defense. So if we're not talking about this year alone, specifically, I think we made the right choice for the Packers.

I think that's making quite the assumption.

[MichiganPackerFan]

Everybody wants the damned model.

Not Ty...but, you forced him into it. :wink:

I'm concerned that ty would easily settle for a gender unspecified, multiple amputee burn victim.

(sorry ty, meant that in the best possible way :D)

[MJZiggy]

Everybody wants the damned model.

Not Ty...but, you forced him into it. :wink:

I'm concerned that ty would easily settle for a gender unspecified, multiple amputee burn victim.

(sorry ty, meant that in the best possible way :D)

They need love too ya know.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Everybody wants the damned model.

Not Ty...but, you forced him into it. :wink:

I'm concerned that ty would easily settle for a gender unspecified, multiple amputee burn victim.

(sorry ty, meant that in the best possible way :D)

Settle?

[pbmax]

Everybody wants the damned model.

Not Ty...but, you forced him into it. :wink:

I'm concerned that ty would easily settle for a gender unspecified, multiple amputee burn victim.

(sorry ty, meant that in the best possible way :D)

Settle?
Only if they can supply you, Ty. Don't sell yourself short. Hold out for the rock.

[pbmax]

I just threw up in my mouth.. There is a place for this you know.

Why did you tag a picture of me as "pillow" on facebook? :lol: The GF is probably like wtf
Words cannot do justice to really wanting to know what this means, and being afraid at the same time. :lol:

[Bossman641]

I just threw up in my mouth.. There is a place for this you know.

Why did you tag a picture of me as "pillow" on facebook? :lol: The GF is probably like wtf
Words cannot do justice to really wanting to know what this means, and being afraid at the same time. :lol:

Does this mean Partial, SB, and Nutz hang out? I thought that was a one time deal at the posters game.

[SnakeLH2006]

I don't need to date super models. I'll take a regular one.

I know you, Fritz. You stated you'd take Drew Barrymore.